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Mhm. >> [snorts] >> Welcome to the Zoning Board of Appeals. Please silence all cell phones and note that this meeting is being taped by FCTV. If there's any private party recording the hearing, please come up to the podium to request permission. I'll introduce the board and staff to my

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far right is Mark Finneran. To my left is Frank Duffy that I mean to my right is Frank Duffy the clerk. I'm Suzanne Murphy the chair. To my left is James Most the vice chair. And we have Tony Paciulli who is a voting member tonight. We have Ashley DeMello and George Pucci our counsel.

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The Zoning Board of Appeals is charged of applying the state zoning statutes as well as town zoning bylaws and reviewing and voting on applications. All decisions are made through the public hearing process. Our goal is to hear testimony from the applicants and the public and to allow a full and fair

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discussion of the project prior to closing the hearing process and reaching a decision. Number one, to begin each hearing the clerk will read the public announcement for the hearing and read pertinent information from the file. Two, the applicant or the applicant's representative will then have 15 minutes to make a presentation.

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Time may be extended by a vote of the board. Three, the board will then question the applicant. Four, the public will then be invited to comment. Comments should be limited to two minutes and be strictly related to the proposal. All members of the public wishing to speak should wait to be recognized by the chair and should come

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to the podium, state your name and address for the record, speak into the mic and it will not amplify your voice, but will record audio for the FCTV viewers. And if there's anybody who'd like to come up to make a public comment on anything that's not on our agenda, you're welcome to come up.

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Good evening. >> Good evening. Hello. >> How are you? I'm not not pertaining to this project, right? >> Correct. >> Good job. Name and address, please. >> Laura Ennis, Hatchville, Mass. I apologize. I came from my farm and I didn't have time to

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>> Don't worry. Take your time. >> Thank you for the opportunity to offer some thoughts tonight about the ongoing development in historic Hatchville, mostly 40 B's. For almost 300 years, Hatchville has been a farm community.

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The reason [clears throat] there's land now to develop is because people purposely protected it. Now we have a changing population who aren't prioritizing preservation. But this is where the town comes in. One of the main functions of this board

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is to ensure development fits with the bigger plan. It has been interesting to learn how deliberate the creation of this village was to agriculture and farming. What's happening now is short-sighted and not what residents want.

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It's in no one's interest to allow for-profit developers to force the community change. Hatchville was never meant to be a city. With the proposed projects, the population will more than double. A growing year-round population since

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COVID has already increased traffic to frustrating levels. Everyone seems to be in a hurry and distracted. Many drive like they're in the middle of nowhere with no regard for the many other cars on the road. Frequently, people don't comply with traffic and safety rules, crossing into

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other lanes, running stop signs and red lights, and even refusing to stop for school buses buses causing close calls for the children of Falmouth. Please ask the appropriate staff to do some data analysis and share the number of accidents, injuries, and deaths on

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Sandwich Road. The number of young families and children in Falmouth has shrunk with high housing prices and low inventory. Unfortunately, much of what is being built from McMansions to 40B's reflects the influx of money and lack of

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regulations, not what's needed by the town. We cannot build our way out of this housing crisis, and we will ruin our town trying unless we enforce our basic values, priorities, and needs. That's not being done. It's like a free-for-all

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by developers to capitalize on a hot Falmouth market. The building bonanza is being caused by the use of 40B combined with a 2021 change in mass law that allowed for high-density housing to be built. This

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wasn't the intent of 40B. Our statewide delegation needs to fight for changes to the 40B law so taxpayers aren't on the hook for unfunded mandates to subsidize rich developers. Please ask our representatives to force urgent change

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at the state level. It's odd that there has been no involvement by conservation despite the threats these projects pose. In some way, individual projects mustn't be segmented in the same way individual

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projects mustn't be segmented. There needs to be coordination among the various groups in town as to how this development takes place. In one small section of Sandwich Road, nearly 70 acres of old forest and farms could be

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gone. There's been no assessment of the huge impact on wildlife. Bobcats, bald eagles, bats, butterflies, box turtles, and more live in these woods, and they will have no place to go. I know that's not important to some,

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but the natural beauty is the reason the land is worth so much. It's worth more to the town undeveloped than overdeveloped. In addition, these projects have already driven up rents and worsened the housing crisis. I know that you give tons of your time and try

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to do the best you can. Often these deep-pocket developers take advantage of our small-town status, and we need our representatives to the state to stand up for all of us. Tell us how we can work to help you.

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We've seen the lengths some developers will go through to avoid a MEPA review. At this point, there really aren't non-substantial changes. The changes are to lower the thresholds that would allow any scrutiny.

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You talked about creating a group for lawyers around the 40B projects. Maybe we should focus on residents who can't even get clear plans. The people who want what's best for Falmouth all need to work together. This town knows best

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and we don't have to allow this to be forced on us. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, so we're first first order is a continuation of 809 Sandwich Road. >> Thank you, Madam Chairman and board members. For the record, Peter Freeman

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representing the applicant. So, I'm going to be very brief, just give you a quick outline of what we intend to do and we had emails Jack Dolly, who by the way can't be here only because of a family medical situation, but he emailed Noreen. So, what we're really expecting

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to do tonight is first uh Brendan Berry, I meant to also say Brendan Berry from uh Merrill Engineering is here. Dan Lassiter from Fennessy Associates, our traffic engineer, is here. So, uh Brendan's going to briefly explain a good idea

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that we had about creating a spreadsheet to track comments and responses that we make so that everybody, the board included, could have hopefully a cohesive and organized way to go over some of the back-and-forth that always takes place. And then uh Brendan will give some updates on some of the high points of

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questions, critique from the last hearing, um and give a brief uh explanation on those and we're going to keep working on those things. And then the expectation through the discussions with Noreen is that your traffic consultant Randy Hart will present his

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review of our report, our traffic report. And if there are questions or responses, Dan Lassiter is here to do that. So, that's all I wanted to introduce [clears throat] and I'll turn it over to Brendan. >> I thought we were starting off with traffic. I thought we were starting off with

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traffic. >> Well, it will take about 5 minutes. >> I only have a couple. We just have some very brief updates and like you said, um so at our last hearing we got a lot of feedback from the board. We presume tonight and over the next couple years >> over as engineer from Tim? >> From Tim, yes. >> Okay.

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>> Yep. Um so we got a lot of comments on our application. >> name? >> Barry, B A R R Y. >> Okay, thank you. >> That's your last name? >> That's my last name. My first name's Brandon. >> Okay. >> Um so we received a lot number of comments from both the board and the public last week um where we've taken

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all those into consideration and are working through them. As Peter referenced, we'd like to put a spreadsheet together that tracks both those comments and then the comments that we'll receive at tonight in the subsequent hearings that are focused on different aspects of the project. We'll keep that all together so that the board and staff can ensure that we have an an

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accurate recording of all the comments that are being addressed. We'll also track our responses and the status of those as we progress through. Um to maintain just a single set of plans, our intent is as we approach the hearing in July the end of July that's intended to be architecture and landscaping uh and

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go through our subject hearings. We'll then look to put together a fully revised set of plans and formal responses to all the comments so there's one formal revision that incorporates all the comments and responses that we are able to accommodate in our plans. >> Um so that's the end of July? >> That's the end of July. We believe we have a couple of hearings that all have

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different topics leading up to that point and instead of just continuing to chip away and give revised plans and revised plans and all sorts of different information, we'd like to take all that feedback in and put together one consolidated response package just for clarity and avoid confusion. Um as Peter

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mentioned, I do have a few from the last hearing some of the critical items that were brought up that we'd like to just give some very brief updates on. Um first relative to the front yard setback, which was a big topic of discussion last week, we are working to revise the layout of the units at the front of the site and believe we will be get those very close if not in full

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compliance with the 35 foot setback at the front. I think that should address a number of concerns that were raised about the layout. Um there are also some questions raised about the utility capacity on site, specifically water and electricity. Uh we conducted testing of the hydrant at the front of the site uh

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earlier this week. The results appear promising, but those are being reviewed by the relevant members of our design team uh so that we can confirm that there is adequate pressure uh and capacity of the water system. We've also made efforts to reach out to the electric provider to confirm that they do not have any concerns with capacity

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for this project as well. Um there was a number of comments relative to the um review from the fire department and the project's compliance with the state fire code. Uh we have reengaged with the fire department um to confirm that their acceptance of the project and that it meets local and

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state regulations. Uh we have a meeting scheduled with them next week uh and continue to work with them through the process. Um there was also some questions raised about personal storage within the units. That is something that is being reviewed. Uh we hope that we will have answers for that at the meeting that is going to focus on architecture, but that

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is something that we heard loud and clear and are working through. Um and lastly, there was a concern from one of the abutters relative to the noise potential from the pet park at the rear of the property. We are looking right now to see if we can reconfigure that area to maintain the existing tree line or at least provide sufficient screening

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uh whether through fencing or buffering with vegetation uh to address those noise concerns. And we are potentially looking at relocating that pet park further away from the abutter uh in question. Um so those again, those are not all the comments that we heard last time. Those are just some of the ones that we felt

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were high priority. We want to give some update to show you that we are working through those and not just, you know, ignoring them. Uh and those are the ones we felt that we had some good progress on and could share tonight. We will have a spreadsheet that tracks all of these comments outstanding so the board uh it'll be shared with staff and the

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board. So if anything's missing, we welcome you to provide feedback back so that we can add that into uh what we're tracking moving forward. >> Great. Thank you. >> Madam Chair, may I just ask a quick question? I and I really appreciate what you're doing. Hopefully it'll make it a lot easier.

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One of the things I did bring up, um I'm just looking at the notes here, was that retaining wall >> on the what I'm going to call the left side. >> Mhm. >> You got a roughly 4-ft um drop in elevation from behind the houses roughly. I don't have a scale plan.

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>> To the abutter. >> And the question was, um, how are you going to protect Well, my question is, how are you going to protect the abutter because you're going to have at least a 4-ft wall on that side. I can't tell by looking at the plans I have and how will you not affect

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uh, or impede on their property in order to build that retaining wall. >> So, the the retaining wall the way that we're building it, we will be filling on the back side. So, the base of that wall facing the adjacent property will be essentially at the grade that it is today and we will build up behind it. Um, so with those segmental block walls,

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they'll essentially be able to come in, lay the first row of bricks at or blocks at grade, backfill behind it, compact it, and then build it up behind. >> So, all the machinery will be on your side. >> because it's a a fill wall on our side, we don't have to get into do any earthwork or preparation on the

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>> be coming back off the property line somewhat? I can't tell by looking at the plan I have. >> No, there's about, um, I believe it's about 2 to 3 ft that we have from the face of that wall to the property line. Um, I've seen these these block walls built with only about 6 in of space in between them whether to a property line or other structure. Uh, again, they lay

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the block, fill the back side, lay the next row of blocks and kind of build it from the back our side of the site. They don't need to access the other side cuz it is lower. >> I I I appreciate that and I just want to We're just going to protect the abutter. >> Yep. And I the retaining wall was something that we have in our comments that uh, the board would like to see

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some plans for that. So, that is something we are looking into as well. >> Just one of the calcs on it. >> Yep. >> Great. >> Uh, and so, yeah, with that, those are the only updates that I had from our last hearing. Again, we'll take any of the feedback that we have tonight, incorporate those into plan changes, and into our spreadsheet that we'll share so we can track all of that. So.

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>> Great. Thanks very much. >> as Peter referenced, we'd like to hear from the traffic consultant at this point. >> And you're [clears throat] taking over you're taking over Jeffrey Dirks' spot, okay? >> Good evening. Actually, no, I'm not taking over Jeffrey Dirks' spot. I'm the town-appointed consultant. I'm

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responsible for reviewing >> first, right? >> Yes. >> For traffic. >> No, that we we've corresponded with Maureen and and he said I mean this is what we discussed with her. We thought because it's relatively concise that it made sense to and we've submitted it, so you

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>> No, I'd rather hear from you guys first, definitely. Please. >> That's fine, but we tried to just for future reference then I don't know if Maureen or Ashley can coordinate with you guys [clears throat] because we had a lot of correspondence back and forth and that's what had been anticipated. But that's fine. That's why we had you

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in here. I mean no >> If that's okay with you. Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Thanks. >> No problem. I do apologize in advance just given that we were not expecting to go forward in a full traffic presentation. I don't

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have any sort of um visual aids in which to uh assist in my presentation. So I apologize that you're just going to have to listen to me talk. Um but for the record >> Name and address. Not address, name, please.

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>> For the record, uh my name is Daniel Lascivita. I'm a transportation engineer with Fennessy Associates. That's L A C I V I T A. Um and we are the uh traffic consultants

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for the project. Um so I will just provide a uh relatively high-level overview of the uh transportation impact assessment or traffic study that we prepared for the project. Um as uh your peer reviewer has

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already um semi introduced himself up here. Um the uh traffic study has been peer reviewed by the town's uh independent third-party peer review consultants. They have provided a series of comments. They had a few relatively minor requests

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for additional information that we believe we have now addressed in full. So, the traffic study that we prepared was done so in accordance with

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the Mass DOT guidelines, the Cape Cod Commission or the CCC guidelines was done so in consultation with both of those entities as well as with the town of Falmouth. The study area that we had assessed as a

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part of the project Maybe I actually can. Is there a way to bring out the certain mouths or something over here? Uh-huh. Maybe it'd help if I bring up an aerial. So, the study area that we had assessed as a

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part of our project site included the Sandwich Road corridor between and including the Carriage Shop Road intersection to the north at those two intersections at which Hatchville Road

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intersects Sandwich Road, the north of which the proposed access to the project site will be opposite and then the south intersection of Thomas B. Landers Road. We actually went out and he conducted

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counts um, Sandwich Road and at all of these intersections in April of 2025. Um, then in accordance with MassDOT and specifically Cape Cod Commission guidelines, we then increase those traffic counts to,

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really, two conditions, an average month condition, and that is everyone here in this room is well aware, the peak month condition, where there is a significant, um, amount of, um, traffic on the roadway. Um, that adjustment up to peak month condition then ended up being around a

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30-35% adjustment, um, to kind of bring those volumes up from the, uh, April counts that we had conducted. Um, in addition to a review of vehicle traffic volumes as well, uh, we also looked at pedestrians and bicyclists.

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Um, we also looked at the, um, available, uh, infrastructure for those users, or in this case it's, uh, really lack thereof. Um, there's not much, um, along Sandwich Road. Um, and based on those, uh, vehicular

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counts that we had done, um, we found that Sandwich Road in the vicinity of the project site, uh, carries anywhere between 10,000 to 13,000, um, vehicles over the course of an average day during, uh, average month and peak month conditions,

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respectively, um, with anywhere between 800 to 1,200 vehicles during the peak hour, when the, uh, roadway carries the most amount of traffic. We also looked at motor vehicle crash data

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that was available through MassDOT, uh, for these study area intersections, and we found that over the five-year review period that we looked at, all of these intersections were found to have a crash rate that is below the MassDOT average crash rate for

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similar um, um intersections located in this MassDOT district. Similar intersections meaning unsignalized intersections rather than signalized intersections. >> Can I ask a quick question? I'm s- One of my questions was going to be

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uh are there any high crash locations within the study? And it sounds like it's not. I just want to get it off my list. >> Yep. Absolutely. So, there So, it is kind of twofold. There's no um intersections that have an above-average

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crash rate. Then further, MassDOT does go through and um review uh intersections uh crashes that occur at intersections all over the state and they um develop specifically their highway safety improvement or HSIP high

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crash location intersections, of which also there are none within the study area. >> Is that data from 2017 to 2021 or more contemporaneous? >> The most recent HSIP data is 20 is for the 3-year period from 2019 to 2021.

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>> Thank you. >> Then uh to assess what the impact of the project is on the uh surrounding um roadway network, we essentially developed a no-build and a build condition. Um per MassDOT standards,

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that's a 7-year projection into the future. Um so So, in this case, the study was completed in 2025, so we went to 2032. And uh that 7-year projection includes a couple things. One, it includes uh

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traffic volumes associated with any other developments in the area. This included, for the purposes of this, uh the um uh Zero Sandwich Road um development right to the south of this proposal, um as well as the 300-unit,

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uh, multi-family residential development at 375 Sandwich Road. Then, to also account for additional projects that we don't know about at this point, as well as just a general growth in traffic, um, we also increase those, uh,

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uh, numbers every year, um, based on, uh, data provided by the CCC, this region of the Cape experiences, it's about a 0.6, um, percent compounded, uh, annual traffic growth rate per year. Um,

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so, to kind of err on the high end, um, and to provide a conservative, uh, conservative framework from which to assess the impact of the project, we used a 1% uh, growth rate per year over those seven years. That then develop,

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uh, uh, develops our no-build condition. Once again, we're looking at both average and peak month conditions. And to determine what the actual impact of the project is, we develop a build condition, one that includes the

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project. Um, and then we look at the difference, um, in capacity of the roadways and at these intersections between the no-build and the build condition. So, to develop our build condition, we, uh, needed to estimate the amount of traffic that we

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would expect to be generated by the project. Um, [snorts] as you know, it's a 36-unit, um, development, uh, split between, for the purposes of how, um, we run it, it's attached and detached housing units.

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Um, using, uh, trip generation statistics that are published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers, or the ITE, or the nationwide standard, uh, for such, um, vehicle estimates, uh, we found that on an average weekday, um, whether it

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be, um, average month or peak month conditions, uh, the project would be expected to generate around 240 vehicle trips over the course of a 24-hour period. Um, and it's important to note that a vehicle trip

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in this context is a one-way trip. So, a vehicle that leaves in the morning, then comes back in the, uh, evening from work counts as two trips. So, 240-ish trips, um, equates to about 120 vehicles,

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uh, leaving and then coming back over the course of a 24-hour period. Um, with weekday morning and weekday evening peak hour trips, uh, trip estimates between 15 to 20 vehicle trips again.

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Um, and once again, these are, uh, uh, one-way trips. Something that is important to note that is oftentimes the, uh, most asked question that we get is this is not all of the traffic that's leaving or coming in to the project site

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during the morning or during the, uh, evening. What we do is we look at the peak hour of the roadway. So, the peak hour in which the roadway carries the most amount of traffic. Then we look at the peak hour of the use, which in this case is, um,

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residential. So, it's your, uh, weekday morning commuter period from 7:00 to 9:00 a.m. and then your, uh, weekday evening commuter period between 3:00 and 4:00 to 6:00. Um, we just look at the one-hour periods where there's the most traffic on the

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roadway and the most traffic that's generated by the project and we, uh, overlap those, um, to essentially assess the worst-case condition, um, with the intent being that at all other times, uh, during the day there's less traffic than what we are

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analyzing. Uh, we then distributed that traffic um within our roadway network uh with the majority of it um we expect to travel either north or south on Sandwich Road um about 70% of it um with the remaining

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30% of traffic either branching off um on Carriage Shop Road uh going over to Mashpee um or going up Thomas B. Landers Road um to 28. Once again, we then overlaid that project traffic under our no-build

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condition to develop our build condition, and then we ran our uh traffic operations analysis for these intersections. And really what that is is it's a measure of many things um but uh

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most importantly, it's motorist delay and vehicle queuing. So, the amount of time that the um average motorist has to wait to make a turn at any of these intersections um as well as kind of a more material and visible um

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quantification of the project is the number of um vehicles that are waiting in the queue at these intersections. >> Now, would you would you just go back two or three sentences about Did you talk about pedestrian? >> Uh I've not talked about pedestrians as it relates to

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>> But you're getting into the queue and the spillback issues? >> Yes, yes, I'm >> That's where you're Okay. >> Yes, I will be getting there. Um so, to that point, I guess that's a good place to start. Um Sandwich Road is a relatively well-trafficked roadway um under average month conditions,

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especially under peak month conditions. Um and what we see um that is an existing condition um that occurs is and it occurs at um side streets and driveways all up and down Sandwich Road is turning movements onto

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Sandwich Road, particularly left turns. Um there is a relatively significant amount of um um motorist delay. Sometimes it can take a while as you're sitting there and you're waiting to find a gap if a pedestrian is um uh

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walking across as well, then obviously you can't go through them and you have to wait for a gap in um pedestrians as well. Um, so that was an existing uh condition that we found. Um, that is there under existing um and is there under no build. Um

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>> Madam Chair I'm I'm don't I I apologize, but there's just so much information when it comes to traffic, it's hard to keep it just I I have to try and jump on top of it when I can. With regard to the queue lengths and the spillback issue, especially on the left-hand turn

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I we're talking about that you're talking about that now and you say that exists. All right. But what I think we're going to be interested in is how much more of that will occur especially on that left-hand turn. So, how many more driveways is already

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exist today, how many more driveways will be blocked, side streets, so forth and so on. And that has to include um school arrival and dismissals, things of that nature. And of course the pedestrian delays because then we get into talking about sidewalks and all that sort of stuff and stop signs and all that. So,

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am I >> You're you kind of jumped the gun, but it's >> I it's just hard to follow, but I apologize. >> Absolutely, there's there's a lot of information coming at you, so please ask. Ask any questions as we go. Um So, to that point of then we looked at

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our the difference between the no build and the build condition to determine what the impact of the additional traffic that this project is going to generate is. And what it comes down to quantifiably is really there will

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certainly be a um increase in delay at any of these intersections. If you add even one vehicle, it's additional delay. Um, however, what the quantifiable impact of the project would be and this goes directly to your point of um say that we have a queue of five

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or six cars now. With that 7-year projection and the construction of the project, we would expect that at most at worst during the worst time of the day, the uh impact of the project would be to

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increase that queue by one or two vehicles. During those um peak hours, which once again are really correlated um to the uh side street movements, specifically those left turn movements uh from Thomas Landers and from Carriage Shop Drive.

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>> What what's >> Yeah. >> What standards do you use to determine that one or two vehicles would be added to that Bill Barrack of the queue? >> Yep. Um so, it's called the Highway Capacity Manual. Um the most recent edition was the seventh edition. Um and there's a whole

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bunch of parameters that um go into it. Uh there's a software that we use um that essentially allows you to to model these intersections. Um and then the um all of the things that we put into it,

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which is mainly the number of vehicles, the number of trucks, things like that. They then spit out the results and say that under our were no build condition without the project, it's five vehicles. Then under our build condition with the additional project traffic, the

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queue is six vehicles. So, >> that's analytical. >> Mhm. >> In reality, the way that road curves, you don't see that as becoming greatly exacerbated by that >> That road you're referring to, I apologize. >> The same with I'm sorry, Sandwich Road.

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>> Sandwich Road, okay. >> At that point and given that there's going to be another development next door, I mean, do you take into consideration the next development? >> We did. So, we took into consideration two other developments and traffic

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volumes associated with those that will traverse Sandwich Road. One of them was being those um the the development directly next to us. As it relates to the project site driveway, what we saw there for delays and queuing was similar to kind of what

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I talked about for those other non-signalized intersections and driveways that are along um Sandwich Road. There there could be some longer delays to get out. Um but as it relates to uh this project, um any queuing was found to be able to be

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contained within our site along the driveway. Um and it was found to not be able to either um inhibit access to the project site um or circulation within the project site as well. >> May I ask a little question? Should we be considering any kind

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It certainly doesn't sound like a lot and it's an analytical approach. You have to do the analytics on this thing. Doesn't sound like a a lot, but when you use the common sense approach, you know that this road's a busy road and things change. Should Should we be considering

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a mitigation such as a left-hand turn lane? Are we going to something like that? I mean, what kind of mitigation are we going to consider as a board? >> Are you referencing to get into our project site a left-turn lane on Sandwich Road to enter our project site?

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What the analysis finds, and this is what you find at um two-way stop controlled or uh uh a unsignalized intersection where there is a main line that's under free flow condition, um is that that is not where uh the majority

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of the delays happen. They don't occur along the main line. They happen on the minor streets um or in this case the uh the driveway to the project site. >> Well, I that's what I guess I'm concerned about. As again, the common sense approach, which

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is all I can do, is when I look at it and I have trucks coming down and they're barreling down. Um if we've got three, four, five cars all queued to try and get in this thing in the left lane, I mean, we're going to have rear-end accidents, we're going to have

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Are we going to have and that's what I think we need to be asking our peer? Who is our peer? Our peer is not here. Is he? Is he? All right. All right, there he is. So, I'm going to get into that. But, that's some of the areas I'm concerned about that that queuing back, especially in the left-hand side.

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>> Yeah. Um one other thing I will just kind of briefly, I know that you're going to get into it with um Mr. Hart as well. But, just relative to the impact of project traffic traveling along Sandwich Road that's going to wait to turn into the site. That That is

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something that is included in our model. Um we found that I think at most it was there was one vehicle waiting there um to make that left turn in. And why that is is really if we go back to the um

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trip uh the peak hour trip estimates that I talked about, we're looking at anywhere between 15 to 20 vehicle trips, not all of which are are uh coming in or leaving. Um and that even at the worst,

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those 20 vehicle trips over the course of an hour, that's on average and they're not obviously going to appear at these defined intervals. But, that's on average one vehicle every 3 minutes at worst over the course of that hour. Just to kind of provide some context.

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Um and that is really the bulk of my presentation. Um oh, uh one other thing uh that we did look at um was uh sight distances, both traveling along um Sandwich Road [clears throat]

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um in the vicinity of our project site as well as coming from our project site driveway onto Sandwich Road. Looking to the north and coming from the north on Sandwich Road, uh we found that uh the lines of sight were well in excess of uh

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500 plus feet, um which is well beyond the um would well beyond the recommended minimums to function in a safe manner. Uh looking to the south, um coming along Sandwich Road, it was about

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400 ft, um which once again is uh well above the recommended minimum, um which in this case coming from the south is about 250 ft. Um however, there was some uh vegetation on the east side of Sandwich Road, um

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that's in front of our project site, um and in front of the um abutter. Um that is um entirely within the public right-of-way. Um so, uh we will need to go and uh uh trim, remove, and um

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maintain uh that uh vegetation to provide the required sightlines, um but it's all within the public right-of-way. Um there >> So, if we condition that, you would actually be clearing anything in the public right-of-way, including in front of zero Sandwich Road, if you were the first

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one. >> That's correct. Um this was a good thing that was brought up by your peer viewer. >> Yeah, excuse me. Peer viewer, what he wanted to see was really on a plan, and I apologize, I know this is very far away, but you may recognize the diagram.

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Um these are the clear sight triangles for the project site driveway. So, the intent of these is to show exactly what the extent of um the trimming and removal of vegetation would need to be um to accommodate

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>> But as a professional in this business you would agree with clearing that. >> Oh yes, absolutely. >> Okay. >> Absolutely. Then we provided a couple additional recommendations. A lot of them relate to project site

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access and internal circulation that are shown on the site plans that you have seen. Then this is just a small thing but we did note that there is no stop line on the Thomas Landers approach to Sandwich

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Road. So that is once again something that should be done independent of of this project as well that a a stop line should be painted there to accompany the stop sign. >> I have a couple questions for you. >> Sure.

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>> This queue that you said is going to be around five cars and might go up to seven. >> That was that was just an example. I you was there a specific >> They're going to be queuing on that Boulevard thing where it's two lanes. >> You are referencing within our project site?

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>> Yeah. The people that are waiting to take a left. >> I can look and see what we have. That's what we saw. >> So they they indicated two weeks ago that the people waiting for the bus were going to be parked down by a pavilion and the kids were going to walk up to

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Sandwich Road which shouldn't happen. >> So based on our analysis for the project site driveway westbound approach it was one yeah, there was one to two vehicles on that um approach. That that five vehicle I was

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talking about was that was really just kind of an example. Something that could and we do show occurring along the corridor either at um carriage shop or Thomas B. Landers. That was just an example of showing what the impact of

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the project might be. >> Okay. And the other question we had a a problem last week that no one saw Dacosta Circle addressed at all on your It's right across the street. >> It's a little south of Hatchville Road

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as well as from from our property. It's probably about 300-400 ft south of us. That was not an intersection that we looked at as a part of our uh study area. That's a very minor road. There's three or four houses off of it, I believe. >> they're going to have be hugely impacted

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by this. >> Uh we would just be adding through traffic at that intersection. There wouldn't be any additional turning movements there. So there certainly would be I I will tell you there will be additional delay there just by merit of there being

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more vehicles there. But one, it's not something that we would expect to exceed the impact of the project at any of these other intersections. And certainly not an impact that we would expect to warrant some form of mitigation or something like that for a

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for a very low-volume roadway like that. It's essentially a driveway. There were many driveways and other streets along Sandwich Road that we did not um analyze as as part of our study. >> And then my other question is when you do these analyses, you don't take what kind of cars. You you have a lot of

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cement trucks. You called it residential when you first started. But right down the bottom of the hill it is not residential. It's Tommy Landers Road with all construction vehicles, cement trucks, big rigs. >> So we do. When we go out and we do our counts, we do look at the difference

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between we really classify them as a passenger car, but that could include your pickup trucks or any larger vehicles. It doesn't have to be a sedan. And then what we define as heavy vehicles, which are things like school buses or

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tractor trailers, cement trucks, dump trucks, things like that. So that is something that we incorporate into our um analysis and there is a distinction in the analysis between the passenger car and the heavy vehicle. >> Cuz they start doing their brakes right at the right at your driveway. >> Mhm.

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>> Of this project and that's when they come down the hill and it's going to be extremely loud. And it goes every morning and every night and it goes during the day even. And um >> I live at the bottom of that hill. >> He knows. So anyway, I just want those those are

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my questions. No, no, no. Don't speak out, please. Anybody else from here have any You all set? Are you >> That was it for my presentation. I'm here to answer whatever you got. >> questions up here? You want to continue? Go ahead. >> If I can. But as the professional, there is a you know

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and I think I know there's a difference between a safety hazard and a congestion related safety hazard when we look at these things particularly for 40B's. >> Absolutely. >> As a professional,

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I mean, do you see any specific quantifiable safety hazards in this thing that cannot be mitigated? >> We do not know. That was the intent of looking at the number of motor vehicle crashes at all of these intersections as well as making

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sure that we do have the required lines of sight at our driveway. Those are as you mentioned, those are really kind of the most important things. >> Is what we're talking about more congestion related or safety? >> Relative to the impact of the project,

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are you saying? Uh it's more congestion related. We don't anticipate that based on a review of the prevailing number, frequency, severity of motor vehicle crashes that are occurring at the intersections or the lines of sight

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um at the proposed location of our project's driveway, we it don't anticipate um we didn't identify any safety deficiencies, and further don't anticipate any um uh

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safety-related impacts from this project. >> I'll be asking the same question. >> You can take my answer if you want. >> Do you have any questions, Frank? >> No. >> Mark, do you? >> Um >> [clears throat] >> when you do all these uh calculations, do you do you uh use the uh

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posted speed limit or the actual >> So, for the >> average traffic speed. >> So, for the uh sight distances, we look at both, and we use whichever is higher. So, for the for the

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>> So, you were clocking the vehicles when you were doing your >> Yep. >> What was the average speed? >> That's what I'm going to find right now. >> 53. >> I had it 48. It was in Saxon 48. >> It's a 40 mile an hour road, right? >> Yeah, it was 48. >> 40 >> In the northbound direction, the posted

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speed limit is 35 mph, and we use the 85th percentile vehicle travel speed, so the speed at which 85% of the vehicles are traveling at or below, which in the northbound direction was found to be 35 mph.

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Then in the southbound direction, the speed limit is 40 mph, and the 85th percentile speed is found to be 41 mph. So, for the sight distances that we used, um it was, I believe,

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>> in that part of town? >> Yeah. >> They're all church goers up there, huh? >> There are 15% of vehicles that travel at or over that. >> Maybe it was awesome buggy and he's averaging it out. >> The traffic is going to be the same as

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nothing. >> The The speed was The speed we used for the sight distance was 35 in the northbound direction and 45 in the southbound direction. We essentially rounded it up um from the 41. >> I'm surprised.

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>> Well, yeah. I don't I don't I mean Yikes. >> Okay, I used to commute to Mashpee every day and it sure as heck wasn't 35. Um or at least I wasn't, but I wasn't even in first place. Um so anyway, those are the Do you have

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any other questions from up here? >> Not at the moment. >> Should we do the other peer and then the public? That's what I think we should do. Okay. We'll do it that way if that's okay. >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Well, good evening. I'm Randall Hart, principal of VHB. We were hired by the

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town of Falmouth to do a peer review of the 809 project. Um we submitted our materials back on June, I think it was 18th or so. Um and uh I'll just kind of run through some of it right now. Um there were three items that were given to us to review. They include the

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traffic impact assessment that was dated July 3rd from VAI, as you've heard from. We were given the town of Falmouth Zoning Board of Appeals application for comprehensive permit August 12th, 2025 and the proposed site plan set of documents from July 30th, 2025 prepared

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by Merrill Engineers. Um so that's what we've reviewed. As you've already heard, there was a study area that was established for the project. It included four intersections in the immediate vicinity of the site. Given the scale of the project, we think that's more than adequate and review of

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both morning and evening peak hour periods for a residential project is standard practice. So, we agree with the approach and what they did in that in particular instance. As you've heard, the or traffic counts that were conducted, they were conducted in April, which happens to be a month

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that falls below the average and certainly below the peak and they did make adjustments to it. They utilized the 2019 seasonal adjustment factors that are provided by the Cape Cod Commission. I just want to note for the board that there is a more recent version of the

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um of the adjustments. Yeah, in 2022 they came out with an update. But, when you compare the 2022 to the 2019, it's actually more conservative to use the 2019. So, I don't know if it was done on purpose or it was just an oversight, but either way it's it's better for review.

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It's a more conservative approach. So, we're in full agreement with that. Um as you've also heard, crash records were gathered from the files of the Massachusetts Highway Department for the most recent 5 years of data, which was available. There's always a lag several years because they take time to process it and verify it before they publish it.

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So, they they did the most recent 5 years of data, which was available, which is the right thing to do. And um as it shows in the table in the in the traffic study, um the crash rates do fall below the district uh wide average um at all study area locations, which is

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a good thing. That's the story you want to see. And [clears throat] as was also mentioned, there are no uh HZIP uh eligible locations in the study area as well. So, again, another positive. You don't want to have an HZIP location in your study area if you can avoid it.

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Two projects, background projects, were included as was mentioned, 375 Sandwich Road, 300 unit development, and uh 60 uh single-family homes and 10 duplexes at Smithfield Farm, which is immediately south of us. It's appropriate and uh normal practice to include both of those

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in there. In terms of traffic generation, they did utilize the Institute of Transportation Engineers trip generation manual, the latest version, which is standard practice in our industry. We agree with that approach. We also agree that use of land use code 210 single family detached

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housing and land use code 215 single family attached housing is appropriate and you know, exactly what is being proposed out here. We checked the calculations. We we verified them and believe they're correct. So we're we're happy with the approach and the findings in that area. Same with trip

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distribution, they utilized um US Census journey to work data, which is a standard practice for residential projects. It's very specific in terms of where people are going from and going to and the application of that in this instance is is accurate. I would give

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you the distribution, but you've already heard it. So I don't think I need to. Just know that we agree with the calculations, the findings and utilization of the distribution that they provided. Um as you've heard also, capacity analysis was conducted for existing

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conditions and future no build and build conditions for the morning and afternoon peak hour periods. Um they utilized Synchro software based on HCM 7 methodology, which we agree is the right approach. There are others, but we prefer this one.

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>> [clears throat] >> Um and there's a couple things interesting about the capacity analysis. One is when you analyze for future condition, future no build and build, the MassDOT guidelines suggest that you change your peak hour factor to 0.92 because you don't know

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what the future's going to look like, so you adjust it. Um in this particular instance, they didn't do that and it actually results again in a more conservative approach. They used the peak hour factors which are calculated based on the counts that were collected. Um and so I don't again, I don't know if it was an oversight or or by design, but

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it's a more conservative approach to the analysis, so we support that. And if you look at the operational analysis in the in the tables that provided, it really does show minor impacts. There are some impacts in delay, for sure, but there's I don't think there's a single level of service

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drop anywhere in the study area based on the project that's being put forward. So, yes, will there be some impact? Yes, there will, but it's pretty minor based on this. And it doesn't consider the fact that there was a business on site. They didn't take credit for that. There was activity there. I used to live

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right around the corner until about 4 3 years ago. And I drive that corridor all the time. And there was activity at the horse farm. So, no credit was taken for that, which again, I think provides a conservative approach to the town. And then in terms of sight distance, um

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you know, they did use the 85th percentile speeds as mentioned. VHB went out, we verified the measurements, and we believe them to be accurate. The one thing we will say is that looking south to meet the intersection sight distance, we believe selective trimming absolutely

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needs to happen along the site frontage and within the right of way. And because there is a project out there already, they're you know, coming forward, maybe the two proponents talk if necessary, and trim along their frontage as well, just to maximize the sight lines to the extent we possibly can. Because it's a

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vertical curve and a horizontal curve all at play in that particular area. So, in terms of the site plan, they're providing a 22-ft subdivision road. We think that's adequate width for the development of this scale. And then we looked at the

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radius, the two radii coming into the site. >> May May I ask a question? >> Yes, of course. >> Regarding to that. When you talk about 22 ft being adequate, you go on further to say that a 12-ft radius may result in a large larger vehicles encroachment on the

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southbound lane of Sandwich Road on egress from the site. >> Right. >> But when you talk about 20-ft, 2-ft wide uh side driveway what and your considerations for that, and their considerations for that, are we

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including consideration for emergency vehicles getting in and out of there? Because there's an island in the middle and if that were to become blocked, this is a dead-end, with for all intensive purposes, a dead-end subdivision. Do we have a problem with a 22-ft wide road? I know it's 37, I think, at the

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beginning. Do we have any issues with that, and then get into the uh uh larger vehicles encroaching on the south side, yeah. >> Yeah, so that's that's one of the things I was going to get to next with my recommendations. Um, you know, we asked

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for uh auto turn uh figures that basically demonstrate in clear way what the entry path is, how you maneuver on site, how you turn around and get out. And And we need to see that for two reasons. For one, there's the reason you're saying, to make sure the 22 ft is adequate, which we believe it is. Um,

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but two, and this is related to the radii discussion that I was about to start to discuss. Um, you know, the south radii is 25 ft. That doesn't bother me one bit. That's that's fine. You know, I can tell just by all the projects I've worked on. But on the

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north side, it's 12 ft, and that seems rather sharp uh to me, and so we asked for the auto turn to show movements into and out to just validate. If 12's fine, then it's fine, but if it's not, then we want to see it adjusted so that you don't have the possibility of encroachment. If somebody's coming out

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taking a right turn, you don't want them to have to encroach on the southbound lane. So, we've asked for that. I have not seen that, but uh that that's something that's been asked >> doesn't happen >> I'm sorry. >> If that doesn't happen, is that a uh is that going to be an issue for this project? >> Well, no, I I I think there's a

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able probably able to adjust it. I don't see why you couldn't. Um, I don't I'm not sure why it was that >> Well, that's a mitigation issue, though. >> Well, it's part of the the design issue, really. It's not really mitigation. It's part of the >> it exists, it becomes a mitigation. >> Okay. >> Well, I'm not I'm not arguing with you.

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I'm not at all. >> That's okay. >> It's just that sometimes things get by folks, and then there's a problem. And so, I just want to make sure that if this is something that should be done, that it becomes condition that it will be done. And I'm just going to get you

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to say that that's the case. >> It is. Okay. Yeah. >> And And you'll agree to what Ken >> Yeah. And And so, and my recommendations are one is like I just said that they provide auto turn movements that, you

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know, show turning movements to depict all maneuvers required to enter and exit the site from both directions that we need to see. Um doing the clearing that's necessary for the sight lines for the ISD looking south is is vitally important uh to the project.

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And any plantings um that are provided in the sight triangles should be plantings that grow no more than 2 ft high. Um and we ask for the um uh it you know, sight triangles that uh the town of Falmouth requires, and it sounds like they've done them, but I

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haven't seen them. Um and we concur that um VAI with VAI that the installation of a stop bar um on Thomas B would be a really good idea. Um and so, that's a quick summary. Certainly, if there are questions, I'm happy to try to be responsive.

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>> I just have a quick one. Might be something I can do online. It says the mass.crash data that is used that you wrote is 2017 to 2021. >> Yeah. >> This place has gone crazy here with people. I mean, I'd really I Can we go online

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and look up something recent or >> You know, I mean, I don't know when this When was the study done? >> 2021. >> So, >> July 2021. >> 2021. There's probably another year available at this point. I think it's goes to 2022, 2023 at this point.

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>> I think it's up to 2022. >> Yeah. Yeah, so there's there's probably more data that could [clears throat] be pulled. Um >> But it's something I can access myself? >> Um you probably could, but you might find it difficult. >> I probably >> make it easy for you. >> I'm sure they don't.

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They want me to go to school. All right. That's the only thing I have. Do you have any questions of him, the peer? >> Um Yeah, if uh you look at this thing holistically, the two projects,

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um your professional opinion, could it be made safer if there was a shared entrance and exit? >> When you say two >> driveway >> When you say two projects, >> Yeah, the >> what's the second one?

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>> Yeah, the second one. The one beside it. >> The abutting >> Oh, the abutting project. >> to the south >> Serial serial south, that's another >> I have not looked >> 70 units. >> I haven't looked at that project, so I really can't bring that into my discussion. >> It's almost twice as many units, yeah.

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Right next door. >> Right next door. >> I'm aware of it, yeah. In fact, I gave the town a proposal. They want me to do the peer review for that, too. So, I will be able to talk about it once I get to that point, but I'm not there yet. >> And then, to look at them both together, I think is >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. All right. >> Frank, do you have anything for him? >> No, most questions have been asked already. >> Tony, you all set down there? >> Last question. As a professional, do you believe that this project creates a specific, quantifiable safety hazard that cannot

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be mitigated? >> I haven't seen anything that suggests it does. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Rick, do you have anything? >> No, my answers >> So, I think we'll go to the public now. Oh, you want to rebut first? Just quickly. Yep.

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Sure. Just one sec. >> There was a a comment about providing auto turn and the right turn radius coming out of the site. Uh we did prepare those similar to the site distance. They were done earlier this week and we were told just given the timing to the hearing not to provide them. Um but we have run the auto turn

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for emergency vehicles turning in and out of the site going both north and south on Sandwich Road. Um and the radius that is in question there on that right turn is being increased to make sure that the emergency vehicles can make that and have adequate room to make that. So. >> But just submit it to the office at some point. >> We will. Yep. >> Great.

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Okay, now the public. Come on up, Mrs. Harding. >> Good evening, once again. Regarding the traffic issues before >> name so everybody >> I am sorry. >> fans know who you are. >> I thought everybody knew who I was already. >> [laughter] >> Valerie Harding, 540 Old Meeting House

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Road, Hatchville. Regarding the traffic issues before us, and I am speaking in practical terms as a resident, not in the technical terms which I understand the studies have to be done in. Sandwich Road is already very busy as

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everyone has stated. The road is a vital third artery for traffic to Route 151 and places east and west. At present, the state considers the intersection of 151 and Sandwich Road as

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the 29th most dangerous intersection in Massachusetts. This is 2 miles from where the builders are proposing to place another dangerous intersection. Put into numbers, 100 dwellings,

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I'm referencing the elephant that's in the room, the other development as well. Two cars each leaving home twice a day, 400 enter and exits onto Sandwich Road at a very dangerous curve and hill. Add in delivery trucks, buses, mail,

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trash pickup, visitors, and the number could easily swell to 600 exits and enters per day. Since 1977 and the fatal accident of Selectman John DeMello, who served the town for 18 years at this very spot, there have been

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several other fatalities and numerous accidents. The Barnstable County maps showing crash incidents online up until 2023, the final year for the published data, show this section of Sandwich Road with

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an extremely high number of incidents. The Falmouth police list the last 4 years with a total of 127 accidents along Sandwich Road. In the last 6 months, there were 15

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accidents. The town bicycle route travels up from Carriage Shop Road to Sandwich Road for some distance in this corridor that we are studying. A long uh

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along the corridor of Sandwich Road before encouraging turns onto Boxberry Hill. Many of the bicycle clubs do not make this turn. They continue up Sandwich Road to 151. There are many large groups of bicycle

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clubs who travel on this well-publicized route, and I say well-publicized because our our uh town of our commerce department in Falmouth encourages people in these bicycle clubs to come.

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And I see them past my house. It's not exactly a safe road even on Old Meetinghouse Road up Carriage Shop Road. The Costas Circle, the variance that is asked for here to me is the most grievous. Regulation state that the intersection

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of center lines of another street shall not occur less than 300 ft apart. Quote, "Builders are requesting the roadway to be approximately 150 ft from the Costas Circle.

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The limited frontage along Sandwich Road prevents this from being met. A tennis court is 150 ft. Not long enough for a car or a large truck to stop in time." With so many other facets of traffic to

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consider in this project, these are but a few of my main concerns. Also on Carriage Shop Road, the queues, which I often sit in, are five, six, and seven cars deep.

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And we haven't even got a development yet. And I'm wondering also the traffic study was It seems to me that the traffic study um years included the COVID years, which

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doesn't seem to have allowed for that, and I don't think that gave us peak travel. Anyway, thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> So, Keith Loris, 11 DeCostas Circle, um which is a public road, not a

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driveway. Um and it seems to me they prejudiced the DeCostas Circle impact uh in that it was too small to monitor so they didn't bother doing an analysis. So, you actually have no idea what's going on cuz you didn't bother analyze it. Okay?

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So, the Costa is definitely different. Um one is that Sandwich Road drivers generally don't know about that it's there. So, they don't really pay attention or expect it. As a person has to pull out all the time, I'm very aware of that thing. Um secondly, maybe more importantly, the

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Costa is the apex of a really dangerous curve. And I think any measurements at that point seems like an accident waiting to happen. >> Thank you. In the back, sure. Come on up. >> Just thank you to Costa. My name is Peter Dawson. I live at 681

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Sandwich Road, which is just down the street from this development. I've heard a lot about the traffic study today which talked about uh volume uh congestion, etc. My bigger interest is really in people that are already on Sandwich Road heading heading north and the apex of the Costa Circle. I drive

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that all the time. You come up to the Costa Circle and then your line of sight as you take the corner is when you're going to see the two entrances that have been uh recommended. Now, one of the things to consider is the sight distance between this entrance is what what is your measure sight distance from the

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entrance to the apex of that road? >> Come on up. >> I I'll just show you one here anyway, I'm sorry. So, what we're talking about here is um the Costa Circle is right there. That's the apex. >> Mhm. >> Okay, so what is your distance from there to the apex? >> Um so, something that I have heard a uh

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couple commenters speak on, specifically the uh the commenter who referenced that we are uh making another dangerous intersection. There are no new uh driveways or curb cuts proposed as part of this

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development. The access to get to the horse farm now will continue to provide access to this project site which is located just north of or which is located there.

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Which is right opposite the north um intersection of Hatchville at um the Sandwich Road. Um there was also discussion of a variance relief from a variance to offset the

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project site driveway. Once again, relative to this development our driveway is here. This is just a rough measurement. This is by no means off of actual plans, but it's approximately 360 ft from the

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Costa Drive. So those are just a couple things that I wanted to get onto the record relative to the proposal that is before you right now. Um That's all. >> I think they're pointing out that it's already difficult for them on that road today and you're going to exasperate. I

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think >> [clears throat] >> I think that's what >> Sure. One thing that I will also discuss is there's been talk about the Costa Circle being on the apex of a roadway which for sight distance wise, this is the exact location on the

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apex of the curve. It's actually going to maximize your lines of sight just given that if you can think if you've come to a a perfectly perpendicular T uh intersect Excuse me. intersection, you're going to have to

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look further to the left and to the right. Whereas if you have a roadway that's on the apex of the curve as it is here, this actually um improves your lines of sight as it relates to um horizontal curves. So,

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that was the only other thing I wanted to address. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Uh just to follow up on that comment, the first thing I'd like to point out is when you measured that, you put two points there. You measured two points. It was not a straight line. Um the way apex works is you're looking in this direction as you

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make the curve, when do you first see the driveway? So, the distance at the apex is the line of clear line of sight in a vehicle coming around the corner here. So, you say that's around 300 ft, correct? >> I thought he said 350. >> 360. >> 60.

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>> So, 360. >> Okay, so the [clears throat] question that I have is this is that if you're taking into account congestion and the vehicles are backed up from here six deep, the reaction time for the next vehicle coming around the corner is going to be much less time.

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So, importantly as I said, you come around the corner, if you're doing 35 mph, the stopping distance is well understood. Question is, what is the distance going to be for what's your reaction? And certainly you're within the bounds between here and here at 350 ft.

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But when you back up the vehicles and you're coming around this corner, it's certainly 35 mph, I think it's very conservative. Is that there is a concern with this congestion, vehicles coming around this corner are likely to hit vehicles that are in a queue. Um the other thing too, I I again, I'm

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not a traffic engineer, but I do know that 18-wheelers do not have the same stopping distance as cars. Thomas Landers Road, which comes in Uh not quite here. Where are we? >> I can see it over on this side.

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>> Right where it says 350 in the interest of time. >> Yeah, yeah, okay. Okay. So, this is where a lot of heavy traffic would be. I I right here and I see the traffic coming out this way, and I hear them going up the hill. The issue is that I know you use a car as a basis, but

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the devices you use for monitoring, correct? It knows the speed of the vehicles passing over them, correct? Trip data? >> Madam [clears throat] Chair, once again, >> Got to come through >> through you. >> That is correct. >> Thank you. Uh so you So from a traffic point of

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view, your information, the empirical data, knows the speed of the vehicles crossing the trip and the number of axles those vehicles have. >> So far, I've heard nothing false. >> Is any of that information in the traffic study that you're using to determine that?

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>> That certainly is. In the attachments to the traffic study, I apologize, I don't know the the exact page, um but there should be a header uh that's referred to as automatic traffic recorder counts. Um that is where the uh number of vehicles are. Then there's

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a separate heading further down called vehicle travel speeds. That's taken from from the same counts at the same location using the same equipment. That is a breakdown by time of day, um of the uh travel speeds of the vehicles.

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>> Madam Chair. >> Go ahead. >> One final question. Sorry. >> Uh I just want to >> [clears throat] >> You. >> I I don't remember his name Last time uh you guys gave us a report.

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I dropped the damn thing on the floor. It had 108 pages, and none of them were numbered. And I asked your representative if he could respect our time and perhaps the next time number these things. And you know, I mean, you have ones in

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here where it goes 1 through 12 two and three different times. I mean, there's no order, logic, or sense to this. It's almost like you put this together confuse us. I mean, the first page should be number one and the last page

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should be number 119 or whatever, not this load of garbage. >> and attachments are put together so as you're reading the report the >> happens when you drop it on the floor? It's not even >> It's not even when you're going and looking through the technical pieces, it follows the

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same length of the report, but thank you for your comment. >> No, I mean, I I I expect something different next time that you present this to us. I mean, it's and it's not even bound. Uh I mean, it's >> So noted. I don't believe we provided um

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hard copies of the report to the town. >> Thank you. I won't take too much more of your time. I do have another question though. There is now a fire station that opened the summer of last year. That is not included in the study. Um the emergency vehicles coming and

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leaving from there, I think that we certainly have to consider that now because the study was done after the fire station was opened. And I think that's about it. One other question though, again, I don't want to take a lot of people's time. We talked about removal of vegetation in order to

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improve the line of sight. Also, there is a guardrail here. There is across the street here, there is a guardrail, and I asked the question, what is the purpose of that guardrail? And obviously it's there for a reason. Would you also include removing the

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guardrail? >> I cannot speak to the purpose of the guardrail, um but for uh the lines of sight at the proposed access for this um project, the guardrail does not in any way um restrict them.

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>> Okay, thanks. >> You're welcome. >> Huh? >> question >> Which one? >> Mr. Dawson Mr. Dawson Please get back up there. Mr. Dawson >> Oh, I'm sorry.

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We have a question for >> a question for you. >> Yes, of course. In your remarks, you commented that there was a queue of five or six cars, but you didn't really I I'm confused where that is. Are you aware >> That came from the traffic study. The

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traffic study >> No, but where you were pointing you were saying here, this, that, and you were just saying this and that. I don't know what you were talking about. So, point out where it is. >> All right. So, we now This is the This is the This is the existing driveway. We'll note from this this is an existing driveway. It's

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not a proposed driveway. The distance from here to this corner of the apex is 350 ft. >> 360, yes. >> As people are pulling out of here, they stop the traffic heading north. >> Pulling out of where? >> the project >> I'm out of the project. I'm driving

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north. Somebody is pulling out, the UPS truck or somebody else. They start to make the turn. I see them. I stop. The next vehicle stops behind me. We build a queue of five cars. That means when I make the corner, I'm seeing the back of the fifth car.

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>> Okay, but >> that reduces my sight distance by the queue or the congestion. >> All right. I I I just didn't understand it when you made that comment for the first time. So, All right. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else want to Come on up, sir.

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Oops, sorry. You're next. >> Um Bill Dumar, 850 Carrot Shop Road. There has been no logical or reasonable explanation provided why a 34% reduction should be granted in the setback. Your peer review stated, "It is unclear

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what hardship prevents the project compliance with the 35-ft setback." Just because it's a 40B project does not mean all waivers should be granted. This project is already saturating 4.6

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acres of agriculturally zoned land into a commercial development in a neighborhood. Thank you. Line up, sir. >> [clears throat] >> Good evening. Uh my name is Peter Raganis.

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I own 751 Sandwich Road, which is directly across from Thomas Landers at the bottom of that hill we talked about. Uh over the years, um so I've been owning the property since '85.

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I've personally pulled out several people from wrecks. And luckily none were fatal, but pretty bad. Um you know, analysis is only as good as the data applied.

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And um numbers, you know, in theory are different than what's actually there. I'm constantly working out in my property practically every day. And I can tell you

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without a doubt that there's no way the average speed of a car on that road is 35 or 40 miles an hour. I personally seen at least once every time I'm there, someone go by

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in excess of 60. And being right there experience it. Was it Brendan? Your name? >> Dean. >> Okay, I'm sorry. >> That's fine. >> Where are you from? >> I'm from Bridgewater. >> Okay.

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I Maybe if you park yourself on Sandwich Road for a few days you'd get a better understanding of what what is real and what is analytical. I'm so I'm That's all I'm going to say

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on that. I think it's a bad idea for a lot of reasons. One that I haven't even heard anyone make comment of is the wetlands that's right there. That guardrail is there so people won't drive into the wetlands. Now

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>> The wetlands technically are not on this project. It's the next project. >> is. The Well, no, the wetlands >> But down the hill >> Yeah. >> It is between. >> Yeah. >> That wetlands is will be surrounded by development

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>> Yep. >> once these projects are in place. Now I've seen fisher cats come out of there. I've had deer in my back field on countless times, foxes, all kinds of things. Oh, well, you know, those are wildlife,

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but you know, that's going to be considered. And once this project's back there, there's no turning back. Right? Once it's there, that's it. It's gone for good. Thank you. >> sir.

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Anybody else want to come up? >> I >> Come on up. >> I'll take a second. >> I don't know people's names and I don't like to point, it's rude, so I'm sorry. >> All right. Uh my name's Natalie Lowen. Um and I live at Dacosta Circle. Um so,

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trying not to hit on some of the same topics that others have talked about, but um from a unique perspective, I've basically lived at Dacosta Circle for most of my um entire life. Um so, I can certainly give

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um some reflection of how this road has changed um regarding the traffic over the years. Um and and this example I'm going to give is an extreme um it's only happened once, but this was a few years

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ago. Um we were trying to It was probably like around 4:30. We were trying to take a left out of our road, and I did clock it. It took us 10 minutes to take a left. And and again, this isn't something that

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happens all the time, but um this is a reflection of how busy this um stretch of the road is. Um because of like Google Maps, um people are using Hatchville Road and Thomas um Landers Road more often. There's a

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lot more traffic um that is on those roads. Um the other thing um that um someone had brought up from the board of putting a left lane to be able to turn into that

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development, where I I get that idea of um being kind of a safety um for those that would be residing in there to be able to kind of turn in safely. For me, living at Dacosta Circle, I rely on um others

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slowing down the Carriage Shop and Thomas Landers Road, like other people turning. So, if you take away if you give that left lane, that's going to make it harder for me to take a left out of my road. Um and I don't know even know if there's even enough room

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in that roadway, in that section to even create a left lane only. Um the um the other thing that um to um bring about is though there might

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not be um according to statistics, a lot of um accidents in that this section of Sandwich Road, there are certainly are a lot of miss accidents. Um I there's

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constant honking that occurs at Sandwich and Thomas B. Landers all the time, like every day, a couple times a day, I hear honking because, you know, people are trying to navigate and um and a lot of people who are using Thomas um B.

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Landers roads are um taking a left onto Sandwich Road then as opposed to taking a right. Um and and so that's also is a a very difficult left because of the turn and the hill. Um

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I'm not um the other thing that um the other gentleman had brought up too is I have never seen deers growing up and now I see deers. Um there's a lot more because of just and and I know this isn't anything new

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because of the um growth of um developments that are occurring, you know, everywhere. We're starting to see more um animals kind of coming into neighborhoods and and so, um you know, it's just a reflection that just without

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any of these three projects um that are being um developed on Sandwich Road, um there's already wildlife being impacted by it. Um The other thing that I did want to bring up is

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um if um the if you know I think if I had a choice, if I could vote which project, whether this project or 00 Sandwich Road, I

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would prefer this project um just because there's less um My concern would be these two projects and the impact of the traffic and the safety um with the these two entrances

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being so close together. Um That's another thing. And um the I guess it um Actually, no. Mrs. Harding brought up the actual kind of more updated um

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statistics of accidents um that we could also probably just call Falmouth PD and try to get more um recent um accident reports as well. So. >> idea. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> May I ask you a question? >> Sure. >> What

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Just repeat, if you would for me, please. >> Yeah. >> Your thoughts about this left-hand turn. >> Sure. Um so with um trying to take a left out of the DeCosta Circle, I kind of rely on uh others um slowing down

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um so people coming from 151 um that allow people to take a left out of Carriage Shop because then that slows down and creates a gap so that I can then get out onto Sandwich Road. And then the same for Thomas Buelanders,

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you know, when others kind of stop, um it creates a um a gap so that I can kind of get in and out. And I can say as a parent I enter DeCosta Circle in and out more than just like a couple times a day just between

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um with having children going to bringing them to work or activities. Um yeah, it's >> Just Just Thank you. Just so you know, I'm likely to ask our peer a question about that and when you hear it, it's not because I'm disregarding you at all. >> Okay. All right. Thank you.

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>> I have to consider that my question. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody else from the public? Come on up, sir. >> Hello, my name is Frank Kilduff. I live at 35 Bittersweet Road. I have lived here now for 29 years.

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I retired some 16 years ago. After playing golf for a while, >> [clears throat] >> so my back said no more, I got my CDL license and became a school bus driver for the past 10 years. While I am a sports trip driver, I do fill in at times because of a

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school bus driver shortage. I have driven down Sandwich Road many, many times. The middle school route, Morse Pond and Lawrence, has over 50 students daily both a.m. and p.m. The posted speed limit is 40 mph.

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From personal experience, no one wants to be behind a school bus, especially in the morning, believe me. I have had cars cut in front of me, speed up as I approach a street with students, and some even have run through my red stop signs. About 2 months ago, the Falmouth police

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followed five buses during the day. They gave out 35 citations, mostly for speeding. This was published in the Enterprise. Imagine how many they more they would have given out if they had unmarked cruises. Sandwich Road is a dangerous road. Just

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last Saturday morning, there was a head-on collision at Brick Kiln and Sandwich Road. There are many auto accidents on this road. There are no sidewalks. Last meeting, someone said that someday there would be a sidewalk from Brick Kiln to Route 151. That's

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over 4 miles long. That I don't see that ever happening. As far as having only one access road to the development, [clears throat] that is a huge mistake. How are fire trucks going to turn around? My school bus is 40-ft long

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and weighs 30,000 lb. The average fire truck is 40-ft long, weighs 85,000 lb. Um what about all the FedEx and Amazon trucks daily? As far as having spaces for cars waiting

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for the school bus, one is not enough. Go by Tanglewood Road some morning. Tanglewood is sandwiched. There are up to six cars waiting for the school bus. Elementary students in kindergarten and first grade must have a parent at the bus stop in the afternoon, or the driver

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must take the the student back to the elementary school. I could cite many examples of dangerous situations involving a school bus, but in short, I urge you to >> [clears throat] >> vote against this project for safety reasons. Also, rental properties are not

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kept up as well as owner-occupied homes. That is a fact that you cannot ignore. I also obtained a written accident report from the Falmouth Police Department, and it's only from

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January 1st, 2025 through uh June 3rd, 2025. If you look at the accident report from the Police Department by street, T-ticket Highway and Waquoit in East Falmouth, they're all the same. That's Route 28. 86 accidents. Sandwich Road is

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number three with 32 accidents. Remember, this is only 5 months. If all the new housing is built, and I don't know if there's going to be 300 units or 600 units or 900 units further down by >> [clears throat] >> by on Sandwich Road.

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14 next to Dunkin' Donuts in Sandwich and at at at 809 Sandwich Road. I'm I'm not sure what that's 40, 50, 60, or 100 now. You will certainly need a traffic light at Pitch Pine and maybe at 809. Imagine

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how long it will take to make a left turn out of 809 to go towards town. There will also be a bus stop, one bus at Pitch Pine. Remember the school bus contractor currently services Falmouth public schools as well as Falmouth Academy and Upper Cape Tech,

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all of which go down Sandwich Road many, many times a day. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Anybody else? Come on up, sir. >> [clears throat] >> Hi, my name is Richard Fox. I live at 66

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Bitter Sweet Road and I do not have an opinion or a statement that I have prepared in advance, but it's something that concerns me and so I just wanted to bring it up. Um the concern um among many of the other concerns that I have

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uh is the uh the lack of pedestrian facilities that are up and down Sandwich Road um and this is in particular in relation to the last 5 years because now most bike manufacturers bicycle manufacturers are now making electric bikes. You can buy

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them on Amazon. They're very easy to get. And if the housing problem that we have here in Falmouth is such that people are struggling to get affordable housing, if they can, we have great weather from, you know, spring to fall,

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um if they can ditch a car and then go by electric bike to get around town, to go a shopping, etc., um my guess is that we'll see more and more of that. I've anecdotally seen more of that up and down Sandwich Road. Every day when I drive up, well, not

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every day when I drive up and down Sandwich Road because a lot of times I will ride a bike. I don't take Sandwich Road intentionally because it's way too dangerous, but I do know people that do and they've told me that it's the fastest way into and out of Falmouth and they're right. If you take the bike route, the posted bike route, you have to take Davisville all the way down to

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the beach road and then all the way around and even down there, Maravista has there's no space for bicycles. So, realistically, the the best way to get in and out of Falmouth from that region of East Falmouth is to go down Sandwich Road on a bike and it's incredibly

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dangerous. And I'm not saying that the people who are considering going up and down Sandwich Road on a bike should do something else. I am saying that they are going to be coming because of the e-bikes. There's just more and more. They're so cheap and so

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I'm hoping that you guys will consider the the impact of the pedes- the lack of pedestrian access on that road. Thank you. >> Thank you. It's good to bring up e-bikes. Yeah. Anybody else? Come on up. >> Hi. My name is Hollis Hirschfield. I

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live at 500 Old Meeting House Road. I share all their concerns about traffic. My point is something else, but Old Meeting House right now is practically feels like a highway and it's a cut through to 28, obviously. But so the the traffic God, I I it's

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way worse for you guys right on Sandwich Road, but it's going to spill over to us, for sure. I mean, it's like 50 mph. Everyone that drives by there, work trucks, trailers, everything. But also, he brought the engineer brought up something how they asked Eversource if they had

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enough power. I'm 52. Never This has never happened, but in the last 2 years since we've lived there, five transformers have blown. It's just a weird thing, but I was just hoping so it'd get on the radar because it's quite alarming. They're all from

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carriage shop right on the corner. That whole strip, they're one after another blowing blowing. And it's dramatic. It's extremely loud. So, I'm just saying maybe the town should request more information instead of taking the word of the developer and the company selling the power.

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It just makes me think like something's going on over there. I mean, this is crazy. It's like that's a fire hazard, too, because as the drought continues, sorry, I don't like speaking in front of people, but um I mean, luckily nothing's happened yet except for power outages pretty frequently. Even when the big storm

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ended, the power came on after 5 days. We like, "Yay!" And then immediately blew 30 seconds later. There's not enough capacity or the equipment's way outdated, but someone should probably think about that. Cuz if their answer is, "Yeah, plenty of capacity."

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They're blowing every few months. I mean, boom boom boom. So, that's all I wanted to say. >> has been asked and it will be >> Oh, good. Yeah, I just hadn't heard it mentioned. I thought it was important cuz it's it's pretty dramatic when that goes. It's like a bomb. >> They have to come back to us with that answer. >> Right on. Good. >> Thanks, everybody. >> Great, thanks.

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>> Come on up. I can't see you. >> [clears throat] >> Ian Dawson, 681 Sandwich Road. I just want to second the comment about e-bikes. Um I see them all the time. Um I'm from the UK. Everyone had to have lights on their bicycles. It doesn't seem to happen here.

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A lot of people work in the service industry or maybe wait staff are wearing black and they're driving the riding their e-bikes on that road at night and you can't see them. And the volume was going to go up as the gentleman pointed out. This is a more cost-effective mode of

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transportation. And therefore, you'll see a higher number of e-bikes on that road. >> Very true. Thank you. Anybody else? Now, moving on to engineering a bit now, if that's okay. >> May I ask one more question? >> to Go ahead.

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>> I I'd like to just ask our peer engineer because I'd like to put this uh part of this to bed. With If you If I could just ask this question, and I'm not disregarding your concern about this left-hand turn thing. I We have to work on on facts.

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Uh we can't just make these things up with a with a feeling about them. My concern is without And this is just by watching the traffic, which I've done quite a bit. Is without some means of allowing

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someone to make a left-hand turn into this that there's going to be a problem. There's going to be a lot of rear-end accidents. If you watch the people how they drive on the street. And should this board Is there any reason for this board to even consider

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having a left turn lane into this property? Is there any reason to even consider it? >> Well, a couple of things. First, um you got to remember that Sandwich Road is free flow. So, you know, that they have the priority. So, will somebody wait to make a left turn during peak summer

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season? Yep, they will. But, I don't think they're going to be waiting a a really, really long time cuz they're only waiting for one lane of traffic, not two. Um so, coming out of Carriage Shop, for instance, you look in both ways. You need two lanes to clear. So, it takes much longer. Making a left turn into the site, it's a

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single lane. So, it's not going to be quite the same. It's uh So, I wouldn't anticipate much of a queue. In terms of a left turn lane, you have to meet warrants for a left turn lane to be considered. And I can't imagine a you know, 36-unit subdivision would generate

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enough activity to trip warrants. And typically on the Cape, you meet warrants for average season and summer season. So, you might maybe maybe you get there in the summer. I I feel it's very unlikely you would get there on average.

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>> Even with 70 units next door? >> Well, that that's the the left turn lane would be for the project is what I think the question was. So, that has nothing to do with, you know, it it's about it's about how many left turns into your site. That's what's

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driving the warrant analysis. >> Did you include the fire station in your review? >> I did not. I didn't I didn't come up I I had to assume >> either. >> I had assumed that it was, you know, in the background traffic, but if it had they did the work before it opened, then

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it wouldn't have been. >> Yeah. Cuz that's going to make an impact. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay, thank you. >> Can I just talk about the fire station real quick? >> Sure, yep. >> Um so, why it wasn't included was it

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we weren't made aware of it. It wasn't open at the time. Um going back to when you heard Mr. Hart say it a couple times is what we go through when we do things in the traffic study, the intent is to be conservative

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in nature, i.e. estimate more traffic than there uh potentially would be on the road, estimate more traffic that's generated by the project, things of that nature. So, if you remember back to my very lengthy presentation, which I um would

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understand if you don't, um when we did our future projections, we did two things. We included the projects that we knew about. Then we also just included a general growth in traffic to that occurs year by year, but also to

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catch things of that um nature that aren't made aware to us at the time. And this is mainly a question, but correct me if I'm wrong, the fire station is down here on 28, I believe. >> No. >> No, it's right by that building.

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>> You referenced it in your >> 300-400 ft up from Carriage Shop Road on the opposite side of the road. >> Right near your project. >> Ah, right there. Got it. >> [cough] [clears throat] >> Thank you.

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>> You know, I have a question for the engineers. Um >> The traffic engineer? Okay. >> it goes for both. I um you know, going through the study, I understand the numbers and you're saying there's no increase to It'll be increased congestion, but you

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guys don't foresee any risk, increase in risk and danger or safety issues. Um based on what the um the public has said, um are there things that you believe in your professional opinion we could add

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or ask this project to add that would um mitigate some of their concerns or I I understand your numbers, you ran your study, it's all I mean, I respect the engineering side of it, but just based on what they they Do you think lights, maybe warning lights, or Are

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there any tools or anything that we can consider or ask the applicant to consider because the the the the nature of the 40B Unfortunately, it's almost inevitable that something will be developed at this place. So, you know,

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how can we ask the applicant or future projects to um maybe add stuff to uh you know, to help, you know. >> [clears throat] >> That sounds like a perfect question for your town's peer review consultant.

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>> Yeah, same >> Could I ask you to do [clears throat] maybe a quick analysis, not right this minute, but and submit to the board over the next few weeks including the fire station. Is that like out of the ballpark or I I don't know.

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>> That is potentially something we will do. Um once again >> pretty close to project. >> Absolutely. The reason why we include the background traffic growth rate is to cover things like that. >> Mhm. >> Um but that is something we will

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consider. I would also potentially ask you to ask your peer review >> Yeah. the same thing. >> consultants. >> Thank you. >> This is Augusta. >> I don't I I'd like to get an answer from >> Yeah. >> Oh. >> Just from our towns.

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>> Oh, okay. Sorry. Can you wait one second? I'm sorry. >> I think that he's probably more >> Sorry about that. Yeah, so um I was brought on to review the materials that were provided. And I had three things that were provided. And so I reviewed those materials in great detail

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and provided you a report. I wasn't asked to do an area-wide safety analysis to see if there are opportunities for improvements. Um but having said that my review of the materials that have been provided hasn't led me to a place where I feel like there are things that are absolutely necessary out here. Um are

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there opportunities to improve safety along corridors? Of course there are. Absolutely. But I haven't seen anything in the analysis to date that suggests it's necessary as part of this project. >> With the exception of the trimming of vegetation. >> Well, yeah, the exception of trimming the vegetation and also putting the stop

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bar in is always helpful, of course. Um you know, but uh but we didn't look any further than that at this point. >> Will you also do an fire station like analysis for us? Just since no one's No one's addressed it.

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>> Sorry, I um my my apologies on how I stated it. The intent of my comment was to ask the peer review consultant if they think that it would be >> Just ask him if it's an impact. >> Oh, okay. I thought you wanted him No, no, no. To do stats, too.

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>> We do the work. >> He comments. >> Yeah, you know, it's an interesting question. I I don't have a strong feel for the activity associated with that location. Um you know, it could could could they monitor it with a camera? I mean, the counts are done by cameras, right? So,

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it's not real hard to put a camera out in the immediate vicinity of there and just look at how many calls they get during a peak hour. And if they get significant calls >> new and I feel even up that way we're all still adjusting to it. Just in general, you know, just when you hear the sirens. I mean, I live near the

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hospital, so I'm already ready all the time. >> [laughter] >> But now, they're still getting used to it being there. I think it it can't hurt to just Yeah, it's it's low cost. >> It's low cost to put a camera in to get the counts and just see if it's something that needs to be added to the

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analysis to see if it has true impact. I I suspect it probably doesn't is my suspicion, but putting a camera in for the peak hours is not a big deal. >> Okay, thank you. Sorry to keep you waiting. >> Susan Augusta, 522 Old Meeting House

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Road. Also a member of the school committee, but speaking as an individual. I'm wondering if the Sandwich Road playing fields impact could be included with the fire department. This spring or for any counts that may

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have been done, those fields were not in no condition to be used because of drainage issues, etc. But in the summertime and in the fall, you have Falmouth Youth Lacrosse. It's the home field for the new seventh and

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eighth grade football program, of which last year they had 72 kids um involved in that program, and as well as are the AAU um baseball and um tournament play that happens on

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weekends as well. So, a lot of families are involved coming and going on those playing fields at different times than when the study was done. >> And you do see them utilized a lot more now, yeah. >> Now that the field has been maintained a little bit better. >> Mhm.

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Thank you. Come on up, sir. >> [clears throat] >> So, Keith Lawrence, Dacosta Circle. So, I've grown increasingly concerned with this overall process. Right? So, from the perspective of traffic on Sandwich Road, about 500 houses moving in. Uh it's not anybody's fault, but they

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only care about the 33. Somebody else only cares about the 300, right? But [snorts] me turning out of Dacosta, I have to deal with the 500 cars. So, who is looking across these little silos that we are forced, I'm not blaming anybody, right? But they're not three separate projects from a traffic

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perspective. I mean, our own town paid person didn't even look at the others, right? So, again, they ignored Dacosta in the traffic analysis, they're not thinking about the firehouse. The whole thing just seems really uh concerning. >> [clears throat] >> It is. Mhm.

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Anybody else? Anybody else from the public? Let's go go to engineering now. You You hit on a few things. Do you have anything else for us, or can we ask you a few engineering questions? >> Sure. I I think the intent was we would

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amplify next time, but short questions, I'd be happy to listen. >> Yeah, I'm certainly happy to hear additional questions, whether I can answer them or we'll just take them down for next >> a few. >> Yep. >> Now, you're going to do um snow removal on the plan. That will be the end of July.

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>> Yep. We We've looked at a snow removal plan, we have that together. That'll be included in our final package that we're submitting. And whether that's both a a snow storage plan, what's available on site, and then a snow removal plan for what cannot be stored on site. >> And you didn't know the size of the

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pavilion last time. Did you find that out? >> Um the pavilions was 12 by 24. I would not note that because with some of the changes we're making to look to fit the front setback, there may be some changes to the pavilion, both the size and where it is located. >> Okay. And did you find out what the length of

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the road is? >> Um I don't have that on me, but I can get that. Overall length? >> Yeah, that was one that was asked last time. And you're going to show ADA stuff on the new plan? >> Yep. Our our plan will make sure that the spaces and walkways have the appropriate ADA accommodations.

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>> And as I stressed to the applicant, have you met with the abutters? >> We have not. Um I know the applicant has taken that into consideration, but at this point there's not been a meeting yet. >> I'm urging you again. Please. I'll urge council, too. Um does anybody else have any Go

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>> Just for you. Is this a shared IA system? Is >> The the septic system is specifically just for us. It is not shared with It's Oh, the system is shared on site. It is not shared with any other development. >> is there going to be a building for the controls? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Can Is that on the plan? >> the plan. >> It is. >> Yep. >> Can you provide um like a spec sheet of the building itself? Um usually we get like a floor floor plan and some elevations showing the height. >> Mhm. >> Tony, you have anything?

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>> I'm I'm going to wait for when they come back. >> Okay. >> Um >> So, anybody else have anything for engineering aspects? >> No, I think >> I think we're all set for tonight. >> All right. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> So, that this will be continued

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if I can find my paper. Way too many papers up here. >> July 16th, I believe. >> Thank you, Peter. >> Um >> Um do you have anything further? >> The The only thing I have is just to go over what we believe the anticipated uh subject matter is. And of course, we can

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do more as we already said, more um reporting on some of these things and the other things from our engineer. Um but I think I'm just looking at my notes. Um on 7/16, the the other thing that Noreen had mentioned, and we're not quite sure

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about it, is uh wastewater. And I mean, she Wastewater, we know what it is. It's the septic, but there don't seem to be really any questions about it. I don't know um in terms of peer review if there's um CEI and then Beeline Thomas, if there's

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anything that they're reporting that you would respond to next time. But I don't recall any questions or issues about wastewater. I don't know if by mistake she meant stormwater, which again, that's been peer reviewed and um Brandon can certainly address it. But I'm asking that as a question as to is

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there any any intention >> system myself. That's >> Yeah. >> what I saw on the email. >> Right. But so, I mean, I don't think that wastewater is a topic. I just want to know >> No, I think she meant stormwater. I mean, now >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Where is stormwater coming up?

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>> Where? >> Next week. >> Next Yeah, we're going to do stormwater also. >> Yeah. Stormwater next week. Yeah. >> And then you can bring that the stats for Ashley for the building if you can. Yeah, if you can get it done by then. >> Yeah. Um

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>> So, stormwater, wastewater, 7/16. >> Yeah. >> I've got architectural as on some >> Architectural is the one after. >> Yeah, we we have landscape. We have I'm I'm sorry. We have Yeah, we have landscape Sorry, didn't mean to speak while others were, but yeah, for for July 30th, we

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have architecture and landscaping. We I think would be logical to go to go together. Yeah. >> And then new plans at night, too. >> Yeah, whatever revisions. I don't >> That's what you suggested. >> I think we're going to get it around that time. >> Ballpark. >> Okay.

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Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Sounds like a plan. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right, can I have a motion to continue? >> 7:16. >> Yeah. >> I'll chair, but I'll make a motion to continue this hearing with 5925 to July

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>> 5:30. >> 7:16. >> Is it 6:00 or 5:30? >> 6:00 for the 16th. >> 6:00. Okay. >> 7:16 at 6:00 p.m. >> We have a motion. >> I'll I'll second. >> We have a motion and a second to continue to 7:16 at 6:00 p.m. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Aye.

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>> Opposed, none. Thank you all. Thank you all for coming out. Oh, let me find my agenda again. Okay, we're only doing one set of minutes. June 11th. I'll make a motion. Everybody's seen June 11th?

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>> Yeah. >> I'll make a motion to approve June 11th minutes. >> I'll second. >> Can you people talk outside, please? >> We We've made a motion to accept the minutes on June 11th. >> We're still in session. >> All those in favor, say aye. >> Aye.

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>> I'm going to I'm going to bang. >> Bang. >> Excuse me, could you all We We have to finish up our meeting. Thank you all. >> I'm going to take off. If you have questions, you let me know. >> Huh? >> I'm going to take off. If you have questions, >> Yeah, go for it. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, George.

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>> Have a nice night. >> All right, let's finish up here. Board discussion? Buckle up every week. That's That's the only thing I have to say. >> [laughter] >> Board updates? We miss Scott and Lori.

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And future agenda items. Our next meeting will be on July 9th at 5:30. >> 5:30. >> Motion to adjourn, Madam Chair. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> Aye.