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[Music] all right welcome to the zoning board of appeals please silence all cell phones and note that this meeting may be taped by fctv if there's any private party recording this hearing please step up to the podium to request permission I'll
introduce the board and staff on my far right is Mark finan a voting member to my closest right is Scott Peterson a member my name is Suzanne Murphy chair to my left is Tony Puchi associate and on the left full voting member tonight and on his left is Nick
Haney full voting member tonight and then we have Norine Stockman our zoning administrator and Ashley Dello office assistant the zoning board of appeals is charged with applying the state zoning statutes as well as the town zoning bylaws and reviewing and voting on every
application all decisions are made through the public hearing process our goal is to hear testimony from the applicants and the public and to allow a full and fair discussion of the project prior to closing the hearing process and reaching a decision number one to begin each
hearing the clerk will read the public announcement for the hearing and read pertinent information from the file two the applicant or the applicant's representative will then have 15 minutes to make a presentation but the time may be extended by a vote of the board three the board will then question the
applicant four the public will then be invited to comment comment should be limited to 2 minutes and be strictly related to The Proposal all members of the public wishing to speak should wait to be recognized by the chair and should come to the podium please state your name and address for the record please
speak into the mic it will not amplify your voice and record audio for fctv viewers and we also have a a moment now before we start if anyone wants to make public comment on anything that's not on the agenda you're welcome to come up make a comment all right for anybody that has a
uh what do you call it a uh agenda in front of us we're going to there's a continuation so we're going to get that done first um it's James J Smith and LMA
surins 51 Thomas Lane thalouth Mass appli to the zoning appeal special permit pursu to section 2412a and 24113 A4 the coda filment to raise and rebuild the existing non-conforming dwelling subject property is 51 Thomas Lane and
they have requested a continuation so I will need a motion so moved second we have a motion and second we have a date May 15 May 15 so I'll add that on to the motion that will be on May 15th so we have a
motion and a second all those in favor I oppose none and then we'll take up a continuation 40 Silver Beach AV Papa papagano now thank you I'm sorry
okay I apologize and this has been opened yes and are you you the applicant um yes my name is Denise pagno I actually represent um my mother I'm the trustee my mother is going to be 83 years old
and we're building this house for her next to my house um so I can care for her in her Elder ages that's great uh the attorney uh John palone could not make it today he had Anem
emergency at the last minute um so would' like to continue um and hopefully we'll be able to answer all your questions and David Martin is here also the engineer in case there's any technical questions you sure you don't want to try to do it yourself yeah we would like to
Oh Oh I thought you said you wanted to continue you want to continue up there got it sorry all right so take oh please let's do it so tell us what you're trying to do uh so we are I think you have a letter there from the
attorney and it we're trying to we need to extend sorry I don't have my we want to put a twostory home there okay um and it's a non-conforming lot so
although we are making some um uh some of the lot requirements better um still going to be non-conforming we will be um only increasing what uh coverage from 80
Square 80 Square fees it looks to me like the proposed is going to be less is that correct the proposed structure coverage no 24.6 up from 23.1 but we'll be taking down a but
wasn't the driveway and everything 37 and now it's 33 is that yeah that's yeah so that's total total that's total toal total right the height is 28.8 right yes three bedrooms yes okay removing
garage increasing the backyard setback so that's good replacing a much needed upgrade upgrade good way putting it yeah no I went out and looked at this this looks like a good project to me any
questions from up here Nick do you have any questions no I mean half that Street's being rebuilt right now so true you could see it when you drove up there yep you have any questions I I do uh I think it's a wonderful addition to the
street but I do have some questions I'm concerned about recently I was reminded that our findings have to be very very clear so I'm going to ask a few questions and see if those findings um
for whatever decided here are clear one of the things that this board is required to do under 24012 paragraph 3A it refers to 2401 12.1 e as part of the review standage and part of that review
standard says that we're supposed to look as the adequacy of method of sew disposal source of water and drainage your plans don't show anything but a Title
Five um septic is there any reason why you're at Co overlay District Master EP file um um has a map that says you're in the nitrogen sensitive Zone and frankly you're supposed to have
an IA system if you're in that nitrogen sensitive zone so my question to you is are you going to be putting in a Innovative alternative septic system to reduce the nitrogen load because part of the concern is it says
here um let me just find where it does say that under two under 2401 12.1 e um let me go back to that and I want to read it to be careful
shall Grant a special permit only upon its written determination that the proposed use will not have adverse effects that overbalance its beneficial effects on either the neighborhood or the town we have a very serious nitrogen load issue you're in
the kapan overlay district and you're in the masty EP uh nitrogen sensitive area um this will given what the town is going through to maintain its orders from from the state of Massachusetts uh to not add any more
nitrogen to its embayments uh and I realize this is just one house but we have to look at the totality of everything that's being approved these days and I think the Simplicity would be that you put an IA system in so that you don't not have any adverse uh effect on the
town um so the number of bedrooms is staying the same I realize that um and I'm not a septic guy but if that's what the rules are the law is I would imagine that's what it' be what I'm doing is I'm trying to make an
assessment based on the bylaws only I don't I'm not a attorney I'm not a uh an engineer it just says that we have to consider what the effects will be on the neighborhood or the town and part of that is uh and Sub sub paragraph e the
adequacy of method of sewers disposal the town is is trying to manage that under Mass theep it's difficult and every and you're on the uh nitrogen sensitive area according to Mast EP as well as the Coastal Pawn overlay District of This
Town by putting in an IIA system now which likely is going to happen anyway once the town gets its new bylaws together is going to help save this community from additional nitrogen in the uh in the coast overlay district and again it's just part of our review
process and we have to make that deter ation as best we can so I I think I might be able to help with this in that uh we have a referral from the Board of Health and what they're saying is that the existing dwelling has three bedrooms and because
they're staying at three they're not increasing the nitrogen that they're currently creating so so their policy is that people provide for an IIA and that when the Board of Health
has a policy in place that requires it they will require it so this applicant has provided space for an IIA but I would Advocate that it would be the Board of Health that would be making
that determination and I and I agree with I only administrat the Board of Health responsibilities is review any IIA system proposed that comply with Mast EP 310 cmr5 what they do this board is required to
look through the review standards and one of those review standards is whether or not you're going to adversely affect the town I think now on the one hand we have the Board of Health saying that because they don't have all of their new RS in that you can have a
standard Title Five this board has to and it's just me and I'm just one person the rest of the board has to decide what they want to do I'm simply want in the record that I'm asking you to consider putting in an IA system now evidently you've got it in
the plans as an add-on later and it's probably going to be less expensive just to do it now and again like I said I mean without speaking to an engineer I have no idea of what the cost would be what the effort would be and all that stuff so it's difficult for me to comment on it but we came here today and I appreciate your comments we just came
here today with the understanding that we were have a plan for what's required right now but I hear what saying and the fact that he put an add-on for it I guess he's addressing it in some way too so yeah Mark your engineer is here M
uh that would be you sir it appears here that you have uh 6' 7 in between the uh tank and and the leeching field is is that adequate to uh uh install a dite uh system system
between uh for the record David Martin H good evening evening if you look to the right of the sub tank you'll see a rectangle and in that rectangle it says provide 88 in drop that is the reserve
area that the Board of Health requires us to set aside for the Future Okay so it goes laterally um yeah can you just show it up there I can't see it says I have where it says RS and dead but I'll
do my see in drop boock it's not noted but it's obviously enough that's a reserves I'm sorry Mark yeah the see the box where it says provide 8 in drop inside that box is the uh is the
required area and I I I thought it was 6 feet was but it actually looks more but obviously he's an engineer and they provided it and Scott said it was good um I am Point usually it says Reserve area here it's not called out it's not
called out no again I'm bringing it up it's part of our review process under 240 um and I would like the board to consider conditioning your approval uh
to include the IIA system now I am one member only and uh it's up to the rest of the board whether they want to vote that um personally until it's mandated I'm kind of adverse yeah because when it does get mandated
if the house is completed they're going to be eligible and it's a retired older woman they're going to be eligible for funds from Barnstable County and from the state and it it would significantly soften the blow as opposed to us and we know this for a fact well it's coming
for a fact I mean that neighborhood's already been sewered just south of where they are already the whole neighborhood has the limit of three bedrooms if you're on the sewer well I'm going to be consistent and ask for that and another two that's on the docket tonight so I
guess we can have the same conversation two more times yeah yeah and I mean I understand but I my answer would be the same I'm until it's fully mandated by the D I'm I'm I'm adverse to oh it's mated by D it's not mandated by the town right now um well technically they're
waiting on the they're waiting on the D it's coming but I mean I I again I'm just adverse to shoulder anybody with any more uh expense than uh necessary and then as I said again once the house is completed they'd be in a much better
uh financial position I I I think that's how it works to to get a little help I mean the woman is 83 years old um she could be richer than you though so you never know Nick do you have any comment on it
I do not Scott uh well it was difficult um I'm looking at the same set of plans and again usually historically it's called out that there's a a reserve area for the IIA system it it was a little more difficult here um I agree uh with Tony
we are in the Water Resource protection overlay we wish that uh You' do the IIA but um timing right now is hasn't been promulgated but um we always hope and wish that uh applicants would think about the future um you're basically
tearing down a project and starting all over but I guess the horse has already been beaten but uh it's it's well needed I'm I'm glad your mom will be nearby you and uh I don't have any further questions and just one more I mean you
have to consider that this property is upgraded to a Title Five from what I assume was a honeycomb uh which it's a significant Improvement overall yeah and everything south of that has been sewered I think the sewer starts only a few houses down
may I ask the engineer question several oh several well this new title five uh reduce the nitrogen load to 10 10 milligrams per liter per day or less I don't have the answer the um I've been
keeping close track of the Board of Health regulations they're in various iterations of what they want bring for public comment board for a vote the current iteration speaks to increases in flow
whether at a cost ofont overlay District so given where we stand with them today I believe we would comply so can you tell us the difference between the current flow and what the new system
flow would be one and the same be exactly the same correct but you're not sure if it'll be 10 milligrams per liter per day or less I'm not going to I've come here I'm very short notice I'm not prepared to answer that question for but
you could say that a title properly licensed Title 5 system is going to produce less nitrogen than the honeycomb that exists there now absolutely without a doubt without a doubt probably doing something in the neighborhood of 30 or more right I'm I'm just not PR guing
numbers but I concur completely with you on that yeah I agree well I think you're I think you're eling out here with the board tonight and I will bring this up with the next two do have any other question thank you anybody else have any other questions up here before we go to the public guys
good I'm I'm good as long anybody from the public want to comment on this project I think it's a great project myself all right um that's up motion to close we have a motion to close I'll second we have a
motion to close in a second any further discussion no you guys all set all those in favor I oppose none so we're oh you're not closing you have you have a you have a m
four 41 we have it no no this is to close that's like wait you don't want to close all right so it's a 5 Z on the close and now I need a motion motion to approve with conditions second that we have a motion in a second uh should we
do findings that all right we'll do findings all right it's an an RC District uh Silver Beach overlay uh no flood zone the uh lot size
is 5159 it's on a public road I have existing as 23.1 over 37.1 and propos is 24.6 over 33.8 that's the structures in the buildings the height is 28.8 uh it's a
three-bedroom uh there is a comp sheet that was submitted late today um the garage is being removed there'll be an increase in backyard setback um any other findings anybody else can come up with let's find that
list that you gave me 240 10.28 240 11 3a4 um got lot C we heard from conservation no comment planning no comment fire no comment assessor no comment water was an
upgrade Noah Butters no Butters no letters no I think that's it uh they're removing their existing garage yeah yeah did I say that one I thought I did
the lot and the street Frontage are both non excuse me the lot and the street Frontage are both non-conforming both undersized so existing three bedrooms Stang as three bedroom and we did have a letter from
Health telling us that they are making space right um and a water upgrade and let's see engineering I should read engineering though that's probably a good one to read because that's important that's what IRS stands for
space yeah Lear okay this is from engineering this application was reviewed for impacts on public rights away and Public Utilities Sila Beach out is a public right away in this area no alterations are proposed to the right away any changes to the driveway or work within
the RightWay will require filing a permit with the engineering division two any connections or alterations to Public Utilities require permission from the appropriate Town Department three the project must not direct any storm water runoff to public property abutters or public rates away four dry Wells are
shown for infiltration of storm water runoff as we typically recommend five we recommend the following condition be included upon completion of construction the applicant shall post the address for this residents per for compliance six erosion controls
are shown on the on the plan and appear to be mostly adequate to protect to protect abiding properties in the public right away we recommend that that construction entrance be required to prevent settlement tracking into Silver Beach a and we also recommend the
following condition quotations construction on this project shall follow the town soil erosion and settlement control standard conditions document can be found on the engineering division's page of the town's website reference instance to the town for to the Department of Public Works
engineering division shall be replaced with the zoning board of appeals who will be the permitting Authority I think that's all we have for findings condition Madam chair I don't know if you wanted to make a note that we are improving the um CL the right
side lock um set back setback and also the front setback that's kind of procedural we're not supposed to talk once it's closed but that could be kind of procedural it's another Finding I did leave it out so thank you all right so conditions um per plans
per plans work hours all Town boards where's that sheet we need where's that sheet where is that sheet here it is um all departments I don't think we'll need police for this do you think they'll
need to consult police for this I don't think so I mean we usually have a standard condition that says that you know if needed work Vehicles won't be in the street Etc and that if you have an issue we just you know have you contact the police department for detail if it
should AR need should arise so and standardly have that no other structures on the property anybody think of anything else no uh so I would also say that we
perhaps add no um bedroom created in the basement I noticed that you guys are installing a scap well which is great provides you with another means of erress in the basement we just want to make sure that bedrooms don't extend
beyond right so you don't be that or you know like the craft room you can use it as any type of room except a bedroom right um and there a 4 foot opening on that yeah um same with the second floor
Loft they won't allow you to create privacy there um would also certify the lot for coverage so your surveyor will do that for you just to make sure that you don't exceed the lot coverage that you're granted and post the address right so
that everybody can find you or your mom and um I think we're good yeah everybody's all set up here for conditions absolutely got your cheat sheet you're good all right all those in favor of this project I I
opposed I'm fine we're all set looks like a good project good luck thank you all right next we move on to Goldstein 73 Alcott Road East Falmouth requesting a special permit to convert
the existing garage into habitable space construct a new garage addition and covered front porch exceeding 20% lock coverage by structures and this was also opened and Stak hopefully and Stak and staked
y I got something else drove those home this time good evening members of the board my name is Joshua Car Janis I'm representing Miss Goldstein for this project just give us an overview oh you want me to continue I didn't know if you had to make an announcement well last time we just like quickly opened it but
we didn't get like an overview of the project you I should have mentioned that sorry about that um so tonight we're requesting a variance uh to law coverage to 2.93% a special permit special permit excuse me in order to remodel the existing structure uh the remodel includes a 13 1/2 ft x 22.3 ft addition
for a new garage and a 242 x 17t addition for a primary bedroom it also includes an addition to the kitchen of 13x13 Ft um we receive referrals to increase the water supply from 3/4 to 1 in which we're happy to comply with and refer from engineering regarding the fence
which we spoke briefly about last time and um we're also happy to comply with um and I did add the averages to the LW coverage worksheet which was requested last time I was here the comp sheet part yeah yes
ma'am you're all set any questions from up here uh I have a comment um and we we never uh broke to this or whatever but most usual and this is for Warwick Associates
and anybody else who comes before them us most usually uh there are pictures or drawings of existing and then of course uh proposed and and I find that uh
sometimes quite helpful when I'm walking around the property I will put a finger on the existing and a finger on the proposed so can look at the two and compare in relation to what we have these drawings do not have the existing
and it was kind of difficult I mean there's only there's that one there kind of yeah that's you know uh most have at the very least pictures and I mean with this house it was particularly uh difficult because
God there there's 1,400 Corners in this place you know it is it is spread out it's much larger than it looks I mean and we never uh that never came up in our um criteria for application or whatever but it certainly makes my job easier and
and in this particular house as uh you know uh sprawling as it is um I don't know it's just something we're going to have to review next time we have our by anual uh meeting because like I said um 95% of the plans have existing on there
and this one does not but than that uh it was staked out fine um it's a nice CL nice nice project U Got be a heck of a nice house um and that's all I have to add uh three bedrooms yes three bedrooms
sir okay um Ridge height I guess speaking of Mark's point you know what that is off the top yeah it's called out in page 83 I'm there but I guess I had 20.6
myself 20t six and something or yeah 20 6 in6 in okay and what is the current septic setup there um it was relocated to the rear left corner of the house
okay I'm looking for the plan here it's set up for a three-bedroom um we pulled the paperwork from the uh Department of Health and as you heard in the last applicants you're in a water resource protection
overlay MH and there's no change there to help on the protection side I take it no with without the increase in bedrooms same kind of situation we you know without the the requirement from the uh Department of Health we we didn't intend
on that um as I'm representing a client also I couldn't really speak to if we'd be willing to do it I will definitely bring it up to them um but obviously there's a cost associated with that so it's something I would have to get approved as I'm representing a customer could you take us through what's
happening with the fence that went up to shore street so I received the referral from engineering um I didn't receive what the what the remedy is um but we are happy to comply with whatever is necessary in order to keep this project
going but I believe that it's not I believe that it's it's nonconforming because it might not be on their property yeah you're you kind of aggregated a fair amount of yeah property I know the fence was pre-existing their ownership of the of the home um there was also a shed that
was non-conforming that we were required to take down and we did yeah we took that shed down we were asked to and and we demolished it so um like I said we're happy to comply with whatever is necessary to make this project go forward um I just didn't get the specific remedy for that issue you
didn't have one here Norine do you know what sure so if you have a fence or any other structure in the road layout MH the you have two options you can either remove or you can apply for a license with the select board okay so what we
would do is condition in the decision that you essentially pick yeah and that prior to the final sign off by the building department you have to have done one of the two so it's something that you can look into I know where with the the first issue we we went towards
demolition so you know once I can uh talk to my customer about it we'll see if they want to rebuild the fence or try to apply for that okay thank you for the help yeah absolutely questions yes um I don't want to waste this board's time or your time on IA systems
but I have to ask do we have a uh anything from the Board of Health on this one yeah I would not find it online yeah it's in here so I think we had an email from them yeah and again I I guess here's the
problem is typically when we send these referrals out and we get them back we forward them to the applicants so I think the problem speaking for the applicants tonight is where the Board of Health has not issued a referral saying that they're requesting or requiring an
IIA there's no the applicants are not preparing for that so when the boards ask asking people tonight and it's a substantial investment you know it's not like changing the color of some paint right that people are not prepared to
address it because it's well we have a problem in this town and this is a way of solving it um I'm sorry that we are not prepared to work on that tonight and I don't want to waste your time I think otherwise it's a
wonderful design thank you uh and a very nice improved uh to the neighborhood thank you uh do the the system and now the title 5 you guys are installing or it was already installed it was already removed it was already
installed and is that do you think I didn't see it is that allow for an upgrade I don't even see it on here either there's there's no space that allows for an upgrade it all that shows on this plan is the location of the existing okay
pretty big house for a three-bedroom system I just have to say in Tony's defense it does look like there's a lot of room around [Applause] it just saying well that's what I guess it's not
prescribed in the plan but I think there's space there yeah okay some people are putting in some of the piping now ahead of time just to I'm definitely going to recommend it I appreciate those I appreciate the you know upgrading to the IIA systems to
reduce nitrogen in those areas it's just I have a customer I have to deal with so I I have I I understand exactly what you're saying it's about the community and how we preserve our waterways yeah yeah no I I absolutely appreciate appreciate that I think that if there
wasn't ample space Scott certainly would have made note um yeah there's plenty of space there it looks to me well let me get one more thing on the if I may certain me get one more thing on the findings is it your opinion that there that this
project has no adverse effect to the pound with regard to additional nitrogen load I honestly don't I don't think I have the qualifications to even speak on nitrogen load so then the answer would have to be you're not sure you just don't know it could it might it might not yeah I honestly would be incapable
of answering question want that in the findings because that's part of what we're supposed to be doing yeah and uh I wish that I I wish I knew the answer as soon as this concludes I'm actually you know we'll find I hope you do it's yeah no I'm being genuine I appreciate the I appreciate what you're
saying Scot you all set Mark you good yeah I'm good everybody up here's okay anybody from the public want to speak on this project you have anything further no that's it thank you all right Norine do
you have anything brother all right motion to close second we have a motion to close in a second any further discussion all those in favor I oppose none all right let's do some findings oh we need the motion
first yes motion to approve with conditions second now we'll do findings all right we're in an RB Zone um Green Pond overlay not in a flood zone uh lot size is 12
680 uh the BW is 2401 2 a and 24011 3a4 it's on a private road um existing is 17 and full structure is 20 and Paving is 21.3 proposed is 2296 over
273 we did get the height at 206 20.6 um I think the frontage is non-conforming if I'm correct at 85 uh 3
bedroom we have a comp sheet um there is a fence that's not on their property needs to be addressed yeah needs to be addressed yeah um let's read engineerings while we have
it is it short if I can find it uh this application was reviewed for impacts on public rights away and Utilities alcot Road and Woodland Road are private rights of away and Shore street is a private paper Street in this area two
any connections or alterations to Public Utilities require permission from the appropriate Town Department three the project must not direct storm water runoff to public property Butters or public rights away four drywalls are proposed to infiltrate storm water runoff from the roof as we typically
recommend five where there is a small lot in the proposed work is close to AB budding properties with the existing fencing proposed work area location and lock grades it appears that erosion and sedimentation should not be an issue with the normal construction practices however the
contractor should be held responsible for implementing erosion and sediment controls if conditions change we recommend the following condition being in included quotations construction activity shall not cause erosion or sedimentation to the abiding Properties
or town right away end of quote and then it says note that the site plan shows that most of the fence is not located on the property so we can condition a license on that or removal yes either one I
think any other findings good the access to the storage over the garage is by pull down stairs so you don't have to worry about habitable space up there okay and uh just that uh
the engineering didn't uh seem to require it for your reading but there is erosion control on the uh plan here so uh obviously they're going above and beyond yeah very proud of you thank you sir did we just established that the
attic is not going to be habitable corre we did we did that all right we can do it in conditions too if you want yeah yeah do both ways for a conditions conditions um where's that cheat sheet we have um work
hours Town workhouse per plans all boards all departments they will consult with police if they need to um we'll put that one on is not habitable not
habitable fence to be either licensed or removed any other further oh we need that we need a room ENC casement to be enlarged is that shown as enlarged on here wasn't there an extra bedroom with
an we need an enlarged encasement Am I Wrong oh the office entry has to be cased constitute AED okay I think that's it right any other condition any more thoughts uh the waterers requiring an
upgrade to 1 in yep right um I think that's it yep you did all Tom Bo yeah I think that's it yeah okay all those in favor of this project I oppos None great thank you
thank you so much good job have a lovely evening could take the whole file here to yeah all right next we have yeah we're going to move nashaa up in case anybody's here for that um actually Madam chair my client intends to come to that hearing and he's not
here just yet oh okay so we'll do the YMCA first okay I was going to do it the other way cuz I didn't know all right so let me get out my YMCA stuff all right good timing perfect timing all right so we're doing NASA
let's see what we got here all right we have Daniel Jay and Christina I ruin people's last names D dandas yes West Falmouth Mass sorry if I messed that up applied to the zoning
board of appeals for a special permit pursuant to sections 2412a and 2411 3a4 of the Cod of fam to raise and rebuild the existing non-conforming single family dwelling the subject property is 7 Nena in West
Falmouth it's um it's in an RB Zone uh it's in the West fouth Harbor Coastal overlay uh the flood zone is ae15 the lot size is 9234 it's on a public
road uh the existing is 17 over 22.9 with all structure and Paving proposed is 21.6 over 31.1 [Music] um let's see we have a comp sheet here and then I'll do some
departments let's see what we have water the existing Water Service material complies with our standards the meter needs to be installed inside the home and not in a crawl space building department no comment
engineering I'll read later uh fire department no comment uh 7 Nena was issued a negative determination at conservation on 226 the RDA form is still being
processed I'll send that out it will only change something regarding the construction fencing along the proposed work that's concom planning had no comment and then we have Scott uh excuse
me Board of Health uh it's an assessed uh four bedroom house the existing four plan shows three existing bedrooms proposed layout shows three bedroom so there is no increased in flow based on provided flow plans second bullet point septic plan is
designed for four bedrooms and appears to comply with Title 5 additionally a future area for denitrification the unit is shown and should and should be required in the should there be one required in the future third bullet point if the applicant at some point in time wanted to have an additional
bedroom in order to make use of the four bedroom design system a reserve area on the septic plane would need to be shown and there is a likelihood it will trigger the need for dite should pending the Board of Health regulation come to fruti and that's all I have it's all
yours attorney good evening Madam chair members of the board uh before I start just uh this is a copy of the RDA that was issued by the oh okay I think it's in here great thank you I can keep this yes okay so for the record Uh Kevin Clow I'm an
attorney here in town and I'm before you tonight representing Dan and Christina uh Deli anas they're the owners of seven Nash WIA Street and they're see U Mr um delas is here with us this evening they're seeking permission to raise and rebuild the existing non-conforming dwelling so this property is located
directly across the street from West Falmouth Harbor I shouldn't have to say it but this is a very beautiful area of town this particular lot is 9,234 ft it's in the RB zoning district and it is in the a15 flood zone so presently
there's a three-bedroom single family dwelling on this site with a footprint of uh 1572 Square ft it's non-conforming to front yard setback being 20.7 ft or 25 is required it's otherwise conforming to all setback and LW coverage requirements the existing structures in
need of repairs and updates uh though it's old it's not historically significant and it's not subject to review by the historical commission um realistically it's not possible to rehabilitate the existing structure without triggering the substantial Improvement uh threshold under the FEMA
guidelines so the applicants have proposed to raise the existing dwelling and to build a new three-bedroom home with the installation of a new four-bedroom Title 5 system I had a chance to speak with my client very briefly as he walked in um and he did indicate to me that he'd be willing um
and probably would have as it is installed the dfic system so we can skip some of this cuz he's testimony is that they will install a d nitrification system wow you have an effect Tony I love it I try this is great right we
appreciate it given the location I think it makes sense um you know and I think that the engineer was probably trying to save some money for the applicant because it is a $5 to $20,000 difference um but um you know the applicant has indicated that he's willing to do
so um so they're proposing to raise the existing dwelling and rebuild with a new a new three-bedroom home with the installation of a new four bedroom Title 5 system which in this case will be denitrification this will result in the first floor being elevated in compliance with the flood zone standards 3 ft above
the existing grade there's a slight increase in footprint of the structure which will increase the lock coverage by structure to 21.6% which is allowable by special permit the existing non-conforming setback will be eliminated as a non-conformity improving from 20t 6.6 in to 26.6 in and will
otherwise comply with sidey guard and rear yard setbacks as well as Locker by structured Paving and parking that will only be 31.1% well below the 40% that's allowed by right the structure does increase in height uh the proposed Ridge height is
329 and 9/16 in um below the 35 that is allowed and it will comply with those flood zone requirements the number of bedrooms will remain the same um in addition this has been reviewed by conservation already and an RDA has been issued however this does require a
special permit pursuant to 2410 Point 2A and 24 11.34 under 10.2 a pre-existing non-conforming structures may be changed by special permit provided they're not substantially more detrimental than what exists the board's asked to consider the
standards of 240 12.1 e and whether or not the alteration creates any new dimensional non-conformities impairs views and Vistas and reasonably conforms to the neighborhood in this case there's no new non-conformity created the existing non-conforming setback is eliminated there's no effect on the
views and vistas of the public The View here is really of the harbor to the uh to the South and it will be consistent with the neighborhood as as I will elaborate on a lot of these requirements overlap of those requirements set forth in 24 111.3 A4 that uh that provision of the bylaw
allows for lot coverage by structure exceeding 20% up to 25% and in that case the board is asked to consider the size and height of the structure in relation to the neighborhood the effects of Shadow the impact on views and vistors from public ways and the effects of nitrogen on Coastal embayment
in this case there's no impact of the views in vist in public way as it described and though the building is larger it is uh in an area with many similar size structures there's no effective nitrogen or Coastal embayments it will in fact be an improvement and as the size and fit with the neighborhood we did submit a lot
comparison worksheet uh looking at 13 properties within a 300t radius as proposed this is below the average footprint and certainly not out of character with the average gross floor area of those 13 10 have larger Footprints and four have larger C FL areas uh this property as proposed is is
appropriate with those nearby properties this project represents an improvement over the existing conditions it will not create any new dimensional non-conformities and will eliminate the only existing non-conformity there's nothing about this proposal that is substantially more detrimental than what exists I believe this meets all the
requirements of 240 10.28 2401 111.3 A4 and 241 12.18 for those reasons I would ask that you grant the special permit and I'll be happy to address any questions that the board May have Mark want to start off ready sure I
got nothing I don't even know what to say I'm going to buy a scratch ticket on my way home and you'll win so now I'm in shock um again just to confirm the application says four we had some discussion here from the Board of Health uh that the
plan shows three can you confirm how many bedrooms there are three existing and three proposed it's three proposed plus an office the office has a widen opening that it doesn't constitute a bedroom it's not a 4 foot cased opening but it's an opening into the hallway um so that it it is three proposed okay
thank you and uh hats off to the applicant for stepping up and doing I system uh Tony can take a Victory lap too about that very nice to the applicant do that I don't I want Tony be able to get out through the door later so I don't want to give too much he's right that's all I thank you thank you
to the applicant have a time fitting his knuckles I am uh speechless I'm so overwhelmed no I no I'd like to thank the academy I do want to thank your clients
that that was a wonderful thing to uh uh offer in this I think it's an outstanding design I know the area quite well um my only question is is the attic going to be habitable it has so it it is it is finished it's a bonus room but
you'll notice it's um half walls on the stairway so there's no privacy um that's how we typically condition those things in the past and the the the architectural plans indicate that that is an open stairway effectively um so there's no privacy there so it's not doesn't constitute a bedroom thank you but we do have space for an additional
bedroom should on the septic be foolish the way that view from up there anyway Nick do you have anything I not you sure are you surean we don't need to oh sorry I ne them on you're
right is there anybody from the public though wants to comment on this lovely project come on up we just need your name and address please yes my name is Nancy Strickland and I live at 31 Old duck Road and I simply want to State my um support for
this project I live actually next door to them and it's the smallest house in the neighborhood and it's most appropriate and I fully support it yeah thank you I do like the design anybody else from the
public motion to close Madam chair yeah second motion of closeing any discussion up here any further discussion we're all set all those in favor of closing I should probably ask Kevin quick do you have anything further before we close all those in
favor and that's and no opposed okay so now we'll do findings motion to approve thank you I always skip that don't I second I'll second it all right now we'll do findings read my
sheet all over uh zoning are it's an RB Zone uh it's in the West fouth Harbor Coastal overlay uh ae15 flood zone lot size is 9234 uh Public Road um oh I have the height now the
height is 32.9 and 9/16 correct uh existing 17 over 229 proposed is 216 over 311 um we had a negative determination from the um
conservation um water the meter pit to be removed um we had a comp sheet uh applicant stated attic is a bonus room not to be a bedroom there are open
stairs uh anything else we can think of 240 10.2 a 240 11.3 A4 and most importantly applicant has agreed to do a dite most gold star gold star they're probably going to save themselves money
at the same time they probably will any other findings you can think of G Che no that's conditions any other findings you can think of um no that's all I got and let's move on to
conditions Chi-Chi work hours for plans for plans all boards all departments consult with police if needed yeah that's true um do we want to make the stairs stay
open going up to that bonus room as a condition it's on it's on the plans Madam chair um oh it's for plans okay yeah so if you just so you know here um I don't know if you're supposed to it does say half walls around the stairwell Oh attorney call better to
grab on to after a few Sunset cocktails did I read Board of Health when I read true yes it is safy so I don't need to read that again any other conditions we can think of the coastal Pond overlay
District that's findings yeah I did that one any conditions you can think of oh conditions uh engineering requests that the address be posted obviously um when it's finished follow soil erosion and sediment control no storm water runoff
um building wants a height CT and elevation CT prior Co for female complaints D dite system yep dite system in conditions
um that's all that's my okay that's it yeah I'm good you all set nor I'm good okay all those in favor of this project I oppose none great thank you thank you very much we appreciate it that was awesome dless this evening
jeez allun times all right okay now we have Cape Cod young men's Christian Association Inc 485 brick Hill Road in West Falmouth did you know that it's West
Falmouth it is to the lights debatable we had to look that up I was shocked anyway it is technically West fouth but well you know that's West fouth only exists at the West fouth post office because if you want if you want mail being delivered to your house your address is fouth I had a client almost
walk out of a refinance once but I even said to ask you why does this say West fouth and we looked it up and it's West fouth requesting a special permit to construct a recreational facility to be operated as a private nonprofit
club and what do I have it's an agaa uh zoning District we're doing a 24 61b and a 24041 F3 uh Zone one overlay W rpod and a
migration Florida there's no flood should have been a 7.7 yeah 24 7.7 B yeah oh did I marock it down wrong okay thanks sorry okay um let's see it's 6.15 Acres proposed 16.2
over 37.2 um and then I'll read some departments we can have Kevin tell us attorney Clow tell us sorry about that oh God all right let's see what we have
building department suggests that the leeching field at the re rear of the property be prepared during construction so that in the event additional parking in the future is necessary this area will be prepared to be utilized for such additional parking assessors have no
comment planning uh it's before planning for plan review which was approved uh I don't I have approval in here somewhere uh engineering concom no comment fire department no
comment getting there uh let's see I have Board of Health Board of Health has approved the septic system designed and it will be a dite system and from the water department 485 brick Hill R water main must be looped
from Josiah path to Brick Hill Road water main agreement water main extension watermain easan agreement and Water Service applications must be filled out prior to excavation of the new water M and water services to the building no that's a whole another
project what am I reading that's in the wrong one okay nothing from water right there take it away Kevin sorry that was a wrong wrong um thank you very much Madam chair members of the board before I begin uh I anticipate that our presentation may go slightly beyond the 15-minute
time frame so I'd request permission to go to 20 minutes if need be excuse me so I'm requesting permission to go to up to 20 minutes if need be yeah yes yes all right okay I'm all right with that I think there to be a vote I'm not sure yes 20 minutes I'll
give you 20 go for wonderful will that include YMCA dance that's that that's for after hopefully um for the record Kevin Clow uh I am before you tonight representing upper Cape YMCA uh I'm
joined tonight by essentially our full team um so with us tonight we have Stacy Pew who's the president and CEO of YCA Cod we have uh Rick fuo who is the project manager with clar path advisors we have Stu Clark who is our civil engineer with green seal environmental
uh also is Isabella Kennedy who is an architect with SV design and Phil fos who is a traffic consultant with Bowman Consulting so we are before you tonight requesting a special permit for the proposed development of a YMCA facility at 487 brick Hill Road which is a
portion of the parcel formerly known as 485 brick Hill Road as you're likely aware the project has been in the works for a number of years the YMCA in conjunction with a number of local groups has worked hard to make this Vision a reality in January of this year
they purchased a 6.13 acre parcel which is a portion of Brill Road a 45 Brill Road from the Christ Lutheran Church there's a significant Capital campaign underway you likely saw uh news of a recent donation of $10 million um there's been considerable progress made
to date but they're not yet complete this project has truly been years into making with feasibility studies working groups site reviews negotiations and permitting so this proposed development is on a 6.15 acre Park of
land it is a we're proposing a recreational facility which include a health center a gymnasium a pool an outdoor learning areas the building will have a footprint of 4,000 43,46 ft uh once all phases are completed phase two includes a gym with
a suspended track which may not be constructed initially but is part of this application the proposed location is 487 brick Hill Road Again a portion of 485 uh is the in the AGA zoning District it's also within a Water Resource protection overlay District it's AED to
the north and east by fth high school and about it to the west by the village of bril a project of this scope requires multiple levels of approval parting has really been underway for a year now um at a meeting with the select board a few months ago I said that we're at the
beginning of the end stage but at this point we've received approval from the cape C commission as a develop of regional impact which had a unanimous approval we've received approval from the Board of Health for a Nitro denitrification septic system we've received approval from the planning board for the site plan review application as well as a special permit
under 240 14.1 i5b which is uh to allow parking in the front yard of the facility and finally we're before this board we're requesting special permits a private club KN profit under 246.at coverage in excess of 15% in a
water resour Protection District under 247.50 B4 and for a parking reduction um in shared parking under 24141 F3 I hope that we're now at the end of the end stage of this
permitting so as noted we're requesting those special permits under those three Provisions 246.50 per in the Water Resource Protection District and 14.1 f for reduction of required parking spaces based on shared parking and special circumstances I'm going to review those
standards with you but there's a lot of information in this uh in this application to discuss I'd like to hand it off to some of the other team members Stu Clark's going to begin by reviewing the site plan Phil feros will review the traffic and mitigation that efforts and Isabella and myself will review the
architecturals with you to wrap up PRI questions so I'm going to ask Stu to come up now and go over some of the site plan information with you good evening Sue Clark with green seal environmental um want to just go over
the site plan here and just give you a feel of what we've done this is as Kevin said this is process has been years literally I've been on this project for three years many configurations many different um scenarios and this is uh
what the design team has come up with I I didn't come up with it all on my own um but basically uh we have a 43,000 ft uh building in um in the middle to back of the lot um we worked
with the uh church here to to use to get a uh a shared parking field out front um we had to do this for a couple of reasons because uh the zoning by law requires us to to stay under 40% impervious area on the lot um our lot is
is I think at 372 um the lot in front the scho uh Church lot is right around 37 also after um these improvements um the water well we'll go through the utilities so we're going to
have a water main it's going to be looped from Josiah's path that was the correct reading and it's going to come down the road and reconnect to Brook Hil um that was uh part of the site plan review um and we are going to do that um
as uh let me just go to the oh let's talk about the parking field there's going to be um 1 two 3 4 five aisles uh then there's going to be an aisle alongside up here aisle F this one's going to have um two uh well actually
two double head EV Chargers there so um and then the other uh 12 spots are going to be EV ready but they're not going to have the Chargers installed until there's the need demonstrate so but we're going to run the conduit in the ground and have it ready
um how do Advance this Kevin one up uh just going back to the existing conditions this is a typical um Cape Cod Pine and Oak Forest out there it's got I don't know if anybody want out there for the steak out there's briers everywhere
um it's tough to get through there uh Kip call commission had us do a a a significant tree tree inventory out there and that's what all these tree markings are shown here in the light gray the red marks are where we've done soil borings and test pits throughout the site uh for the Geotech for the
building for the septic for the storm water um it was as Kevin said it was previously loan it's by the uh the uh Lutheran Church it's in the AA District um and I think he went through all that
so no no sense be that up we went through this slide shows you where it is it's uh ju's position to um to Long Pond down here the surface water supply um there's the site I went
through that um am I go on the right way I'm going the wrong way right oh right all right all right all right uh in regards to zoning we're nowhere near any of the the setbacks
we're plenty uh distance um on all those um again we we have to ask for a relief on the uh coverage because we're between 15 and 40% and uh and Mr clar went over that [Music]
um I should look at my notes right um if we go back a couple to the proposed site um I didn't touch on storm water one of the utilities all the storm water is going to be collected into rain Gardens and infiltrated on site uh there
are a series of six little rain Gardens at end of each one of these um parking um medians and then there's going to be like a central uh larger rain Garden here to to handle the roof runoff CU one of the conditions from the K Commission is that
we didn't just directly infiltrate the roof run off they wanted it to go through one of the rain guards so we had to take this area here and make it into a rain Garden I just wanted to touch on that because I didn't read my uh I
didn't read my notes uh secondly another thing I wanted to uh point out here is that we're going to have a walking path fire lane all the way around the building it'll be reinforced a geog grid with stone in it um we did that so that
the uh fire department could have access to all all sides of this property and this building so that we could uh maintain safety and just good design all right am I going the wrong way again all right there's
37.2 um so now we got to get into parking a little bit um we are proposing 176 spots and when we say that that 50 spots are dedicated to uh YMCA it means they're closer to the
YMCA it's like the first two rows and then there's two rows in the middle that we're kind of calling um shared space and then there's two rows uh near next to the church the church currently has 49 spaces out there um the this project
will reduce that to 34 but with the shared spaces it's actually 126 and if you look at their occupancy um rate it's 475 people can go into that church and if you do the math on that it comes out
to uh requiring 158 spaces so although it seems like we're reducing their parking we're not we're actually adding to their parking that's the point I wanted to make um I did write down the church here uh lot coverage uh because we we did
subdivide a lot and I just wanted to get the board uh comfortable with um lot coverage by buildings was only 2% on that lot and the lot coverage by Paving struct and parking is 37 okay moving on if I go the right
way um this slide just shows the same uh thing we're just talking about it but it just um also illustrates that we're providing U more handicap parking than it's required by Ada we're giving um 10 spaces when
we're only required to have seven um I did talk about the the four EV spots that are ready one of those EV spots will be Ada accessible so if somebody's um um handicapped and has an electrical vehicle they can charge it there
also um this is for Tony we are proposing a an IA system and we have approval through the Board of Health uh to do so uh this system is going to be a clean to you system it will get down to around 11 milligrams
per liter I think that's what they get is the town LW going to be 10 it's going to be tough to hit town does three on the system yeah our plant does three but this is getting permitted um through the D right now uh we did get Board of
Health approval um I I don't want to scare you with the 11 because they have graphs showing that they get seven out of these systems all the time um but I was just going off their provisional permit with MD EP says they can do
11 um also I just wanted to point out one other thing it although this is in the water protection overlay District it also falls in the state's surface water protection Zone and there's three three zones here the Zone a Zone B and Zone C
and if you look I probably can do it right on here if you look um right here there's a line and that's the edge of the state zone so I would say 80% of the leeching facility is outside the surface water
protection Zone by the state but it's still in your your local one um I don't but we're still going to do the I8 um because uh um Cape call commission requires you do a five nitrog five milligrams per
liter per site um maximum loading and you have there's a worksheet you have to do through um the cape C commission to get that Stuart could you add a little color to the geometric oil absorption system
exactly what's the this is um in in order to reduce the area of um leeching well actually that's that's that's a false statement it's not it's a a leeching system where they use um sand
and a form and they can get more square footage of leeching area but of a smaller area you you've seen these systems they used one right next door at the um at the village of brick Hill and the exact same system there as we're using over here and I just get more um
uh leeching area per square foot of area of land because we we have slightly I think our flow rate is a little slightly bigger than theirs I think theirs was 6,000 ours is around 7 7 7600 all right um just a rough landscape
plan just to show uh what we're doing here I'm not the landscape architect but there's going to be these activity areas over here for different age groups um here's the walking path here's the um location of
the parking field uh we would not recommend you park on top of that it needs to get oxygen it needs to function um to to uh performance Duty um here's our Central uh rain Garden here it takes
the roof front off which comes out here by manova uh be trees along this side we've worked with Mike salamando over here um right now we're just have a fence proposed in there but there's been a lot of discussion relative to building a
burm there to um give his his project a little bit of privacy um the design team also had this road come in here um in a me rering fashion so you get the wild Factor when you make that last
Corner um there will be sidewalk connection from the main entrance all the way down uh to the new sidewalk that was put in as part of the 40b so there will be that connection um to encourage
people to come down from uh the school and gford Road and come down uh on the sidewalk safely um there will also be a central walk in the middle of the um the parking field and the reason we did that
was because um the Y had concerns about people uh walking in traffic so this shortens the path and it defines a an area where you know PE people are going to be walking so people are not going to be crossing over and well they probably will anyway well we the intent is we
don't want them crossing over all the medians and and moving in in and out of uh cars just for safety and I think that's the end oh I I I stand corrected we have a a lighting plan here I'm just
showing um basically the uh what we're proposing for lights um the purple circles are one style but that's the that the the circle is a red circle the purple circle and I guess
they black circles that's the that's the limit of one foot candle um just to show you um how the parking lots lit and I think that's it uh for site civil stuff um I don't know if you want your questions now later or I think
we'll we'll keep going with the presentation and then come back for questions appreciate your time thanks so I'd like to have Phil fos from uh Bowman engineering uh traffic Consultants come up right now um and Phil's going to speak to traffic assessment and mitigation
measures uh good evening and for the record um can I I'm hopefully hopefully the mic works you can hear me uh philis with Bowman Consulting um we were the Traffic Engineers for this project and I'm going to just Briefly summarize the traffic study that we uh conducted for this site
which was completed in October of 2023 and was submitted to Cape cot commission as part of the drri process and the town plan planning board for approval um the study area that you see here uh we looked at four intersections
um you can see our site here um and the four intersections if I go from right to left include the signalized intersection of brickk road with gford Street the two ramp intersections at Route 28 and the intersection to the far left um of brick
Hill Road with uh wi fouth Highway we conducted counts in July of 2023 during the summer season made adjustments to traffic to look at Peak conditions for traffic as well as average conditions uh particularly because um I'm not sure I don't know if this was mentioned but the
site is abut fouth High School to the north and east um and so keeping in mind that traffic conditions with school in session was something we wanted to make sure we captured as part of the study uh we conducted standard uh crash
analyses um operational analyses for the four intersections in looking at generating trips for the site proposed trips uh rather than looking at standard it um tables and guidance we actually counted three different YMCA sites one
in West barnable one in Middleboro and one in Swansea uh and took the trip data from those three sites to help us uh develop a a trip rate to determine the trips that would be generated from this project and you can see in the morning and afternoon peak hours you're looking
at a range of 170 to 199 trips um that's both entering and exiting the site uh during those peak hours uh we conducted a traffic analysis looking at both again average and Peak conditions um where we noticed some delays uh at a couple of intersections that were noticeable but I
wouldn't say were substantial um and as part of that process we were looking at ways to reduce traffic um with uh what we call TDM traffic Transportation demand management measures um that are common for projects of this size um
there's a couple of slides that list out what these are so a lot of these are typically geared toward workers uh employees of the site but also because of the use here as a a club uh with uh obviously benefits to the Greater Community uh we were considering trying
to find ways to reduce trips for um those who come here for the facilities so looking at um not just again employee you know staggering shifts and car PL brochures but also looking at ways to provide bicycle racks um provide options for Transit including the smart Dart um
on demand system um and coordinating with the Cape Cod Regional Transit Authority to hopefully create a dedicated bus stop here so all those measures were outlined in our report and have been again um approved by the Cape Cod Commission and the planning board uh one other note I'll say at the bottom of this slide is again
due to its proximity to Falmouth High School where we expect a lot of cross use from students at the high school uh that in itself is essentially a TDM measure where you're saving trips um car trips from the high school to the facility uh because of the walking paths
that you mentioned a moment ago uh the next couple of slides just uh look at different mitigation measures we uh submitted a follow-up memo to the cape C Commission in July uh that looked at uh some of their concerns and looking at ways to mitigate um traffic delays
most of these are going to be geared around the signalized intersection at gford street so you see looking at the yellow and red times for the traffic lights making sure that those are adjusted to standards um as well as The Pedestrian clearance intervals making sure that the walk lights are timed so
that there's adequate time to cross um the intersection uh at the crosswalks that are there um advanced warning signs uh only the only the Northbound approach from gford Street has a sign that lets you know that there's a traffic signal and there the nearest adjacent signal
from this intersection is uh a little over 3/4 of a mile away so we propose adding uh signal warning ahead sign or signal ahead signs um just standard warning signs to the other approaches making sure that the existing sign is also adequate in terms of
visibility uh the equipment you know there are some adjustments that can be made to the signal equipment in terms of flashing yellow arrows to help signify left turn movements um adding back plates with reflective visors to make them more visible particularly at night
and making sure that the pedestrian push buttons are accessible uh for those with disabilities or um have hearing issues or whatnot so making sure that that equipment is up to current standards and then again um the transit use is again a mitigation measure making sure that the
site is uh tied into the Cape Cod Regional Transit Authority system um and then pedestrian sidewalks so there is an adjacent 40b development uh to the west of this site uh it's our understanding that that project will develop a sidewalk Network that connects in front
of our driveway and to ultimately to the intersection of at gford Street uh as part of that project so that provides connectivity in front of this site for pedestrians could I'm I'm sorry could you repeat that um with regard to the so the the the 40b residential project to
our West um proposes to uh put a sidewalk in on uh brookil Road uh that goes in front of our driveway and that will connect to the intersection at gford street thank you thank it's already in it's already in okay at the time we were proposing that's why I
asked so uh and we'll be happy to answer any questions at the end of the presentation great thank you thank you time does he you're up to 24 Kev oh I need a few more okay we'll give them
five more minutes everybody okay yes I talk fast so I am going to do some of the Architectural Review on this as well uh this has been designed by SV design and they prepared really a beautiful set of plans uh with a design and aesthetic that draws
um so you'll see here this is the view from each facade of the building uh design from the front it's really staggered to break up the massing uh the proposed Ridge height of this building is 34 ft above existing grade um each elevation really does have
uh different features um provides character from each side this is not just a box you'll see each each of the different facades uh really has a different look to it and and I think is is really a unique and interesting
design um they've drawn from local Cap Cod character as they put it um they' both architectural and natural to use some of their inspiration uh for some of the inspiration for the design of the building now I want to review the standards for the special
permits so we're going to begin with uh 7.7 B which is lot coverage exceeding 15% in Water Resource Protection District under this provision uh we have to provide that Sy there's a system for groundwater recharge that does not degrade groundwater quality with
permanent maintenance of those recharge areas uh being held by the by the applicant of the owner which would be welcomed as a condition based on the testimony we Prov we provided as well as the site plan review decision and our work with the engineering department the board incredibly find that the proposal
will not adversely affect the quality or quantity of water in the in the Water Resource Protection District um it will not result in substantial disturbance once completed of water related characteristics of the site or exceed the maximum loading standard for nitrate nitrogen impact on
groundwater though not necessarily part of this request I wanted to address one of the biggest hurdles we had to contend with which was Wastewater discharge within the Water Resource Protection District so that District that overlay limits Wastewater discharge to 7.5 gallons per day per thousand square feet
of land area so approximately one acre of land would allow for a three-bedroom home the proposed design flow for the YMCA is just over 7,600 gallons per day based on our calculation it would require an additional 17 acres of land however we've worked with Town staff over the
last few months to arrive at a solution adjacent to the high schools 19.8 7 acre landlock parcel of land uh owned by the town and through the town manager and the select board the town has assigned the groundwater discharge rights from that parcel to the YMCA which provides
for more than sufficient discharge rights this Concepts not without precedent Title Five allows for Banking and assignment of certain nitrogen credits and though this is a local regulation that concept provided the basis for this request the select board already reviewed and approved that
assignment a copy of which was included a signed copy of which is included in the application package that's presently being held in escrow by Town Council pending the completion of Permitting I want to again note how grateful we are to the town manager's office and the select board for finding a way to work with us on a solution to
that the second aspect of the speci permits 240 14.1 F3 which is allowing for the reduction of required parking spaces based on shared parking and special circumstances as Stu noted the YMCA has entered into an easing agreement with the Christ Lutheran Church to allow for
shared parking both the YMCA and the church have dedicated parking spaces 50 for the YMCA and 34 for the church and 92 shared spaces between them based on the parking calculations a total of 216 spaces would be required for the YMCA
with a 25% by rght reduction that's 162 spaces we're proposing 142 spaces so those parking requirements can be reduced based on again shared parking in special circumstances and the special circumstance here is that our parking requirements really don't scale for a building like this a pool use is just
not envisioned in a bylaw the pool itself accounts for 14,26 square ft that would be 71 parking spaces we're not putting 71 cars for the people into the pool it's not the case so I believe the board can find that the
reduction can be granted without derogating from the intent to the bylaw lastly the third aspect of the special permit is 246.at for profit there's no specific standard set forth in that section so we have to look at 240 12.1 e the standard
which governs all special permits the overarching question in that section says does the proposed use have adverse effects that overbalance its beneficial effects on the town or neighborhood as consideration this site is more than adequate in size for the proposed use it's suitable and well situated for the
proposed use there's as has been noted little impact on traffic and no impact on safety the applicant provided more than adequate methods of sewage disposal and drainage utilities and public services are already present and are again more than adequate and there has no impact on supply of affordable
housing and it has been approved by the planning board under this s plan review more importantly I don't believe there's any way one could find that the adverse effects to the extent there are any overbalance the benefits of this project my kids don't care what I do for a living they don't understand what I do
for a living I tell them I go to hearings and you have a meeting Dad and you know are you going to be home tonight Dad no but when I told them I'm working on the YMCA they go what's that mean I said we're going to have a pool every now I get Dad is this meeting for the YMCA dad is this meeting for the
YMCA this is a project that the town and its citizens have wanted for decades this is a project that will impact people of all ages for years and years to come and I say this with all due respect to my other clients that I represent before this board it is the honor and the highlight of my career to
be able to be involved in this project for these reasons I believe we've demonstrated this meets the requirements of 2461 B 247.204420 12.1 e and as such I believe this board can and should issue the special permit
as requested I along with our team would' be glad to address any questions the board may have great thanks you want to start off oh yeah well first off for your first comment I was surprised you didn't know that that
was West Falmouth I didn't know I thought it stopped at at at Sandwich Road oh I did not know Bowman's and since the Mayflower was a tree and if you want to tell them they don't live in West velmet they I'll skip that day but
uh um as far as this is concerned no it's a great project they've been trying to build this for 20 years decades yeah been a long time there's been faces that came and went and put considerable amount of time into this and uh I'm glad
to see it at this point um and I only have a few small questions um there's not going to be any um permeable uh asphalt here so and and why not that uh you know
it hasn't been uh uh engineered in a proper fashion but I was just curious that's to so this is the area that that'll be that'll have any asphalt um I think for but not it's not a permeable asphalt no it's not and why why is that I'm just curious I think it has to do
with upkeep longevity longevity sweeping and we do have a we have a share so it's worth noting you know what what right here is the property line that separates us from the church so so much of the parking is in the church lot we part of our easement with the church is that we we are responsible for upkeep and maintenance
of of the the parking area on your lot and and the big thing with the perable pavment is sweeping of it correct to maintain it I I I believe so I can't I can't speak much to it beyond that I just uh and then uh I said this going to take a while I just is there any PL for
are there aquatic plants in that uh rain Garden of any description Trav uh it does look like they have plants here and and in in the plan set there is the the full you know explanation of what those plants mean
and yeah and what they do whatever I I'll look further into it at this point I don't have any questions all they and I KN I do know that part of the planning board process we we increased the drainage time of that retention Pond substantially so even in 100e storm it drains incred yeah they're substantially
U um like said I'll look further but I I don't have any questions all luck in the world a great project uh just again from a testimony uh attorney Clow we had on the on the parking we had 50 on site 92 shared 34 for the church for 176 mhm
okay I thought you said so I said I said I'm okay with you saying 176 I just wanted to clarify let me just clarify what I did say Okay um that was on so 142 spaces for the Y not counting the 34 spaces dedicated to the
church okay thank you in the 470 some odd pages of the application I thought that there was an open item on the site distance we we provided site distances for for planning board okay I appreciate
that thank you for the denitrification system uh one more just a little more color on the credit parcel and how that came along in the in the volume couches so basically there's there's a 19 acre parcel of land um that is adjacent to
the high school and the what the town has done is they've assigned the Wastewater discharge rights basically saying that to the extent that site has ever developed it's never well it's not going to be it's a landlock parcel but to the extent it ever was nothing there is going to produce waste water because so it could
be playing fields it could be a number of things that's still not going to produce waste water but the town has assigned those Wastewater rights to the YMCA which effectively gives us the credit for that land so even though we don't have that additional 19 Acres we have the credit for that 19 Acres because that's not going to be developed in a way that's going to add waste water
to the Water Resource Protection District and that's specific as long as the Y is there it's not transferable to and it's uh and a c a copy of that assignment is is included in the package okay uh and attorney o'keef and I work through that language uh at length um to
make sure that the town was satisfied and that's been reviewed by Town manager's office and the select board and that was uh approved and signed okay my last pretending to be an attorney question uh the term of the church easement easements don't have terms they're they're typically in perpetuity unless they're unless they're mutually
revoked or revoked by the called it's called the dominant estate so in this case um the Whoever has the right to use the other property has what's is considered the dominant estate so that they the dominant estate can revoke an easement the serving estate cannot but there's no term on it okay thank you
great project and hats off to you and your team thank you I only have a couple questions are the documents for the shared parking yes there there there is um included in the application package it was in the file I I looked through the file it took it's yeah we we
included the traffic report which is I was I was kind of like should we should we not CU that itself is 350 Pages whatever it is um and my other question my other question is snow removal yep so snow removal is done um basically from let's call
it um west to east along each aisle and pushed this direction over here and we're leaving it on sight mhm uncleaned I mean it's if depending on the size of the storm I think if if there was obviously a significant storm
that that was able that impeded the uh the pathways that have to address that but the I'm worried about Long Pond sure so um well the snow I mean the snow will be pushed and it's not going to be driven over it's going to be plowed
into the the space up here okay all right I think I'm good Tony it's it's obviously a wonderful project I I I hate to have to ask a couple questions um sure you do yeah sure you do I know he's been waiting on WE
twisting no I haven't I haven't with the transfer of Rights document I know it's been vetted and but I don't always understand these things um it's specific to the YMCA's
use God forbid anything should happen to the YMCA um what would happen to a successor to the it reverts to the town so the that the transfer of rights reverts to the town which then makes the property
unusable so I mean if the YMCA builds this it's the the language in in the in the assignment basically says that the assignment is good so long as the YMCA is that's what I mean is the owner of the property um now if if there were to
be a change I mean the town again has has options and and basically the right to revoke certain aspects of that so um you know that is would it come back to the uh zba I think it would have to it would it would have to go through all
of its planning again planning zoning Cap Cod Commission I mean this it would it would be a fundamental change in in the nature of this building so um because our uh zoning bylaws can be uh opaque at times up to
definitely I have to ask this question because there's no definition of um of private club not uh conducted for profit M and my question to you uh and I really hate to ask this question but it's got to go on the record since there is no
definition of that and when there is no definition in oing bylaw we have to revert to other areas uh such as the massachus building code to Define what it is under the zoning this building could not exist unless it was a private
club not conducted for profit am I correct MH so I looked up the uh chter the U the corporate do from 1966 and it could go both ways those are very old documents written in a day that you
probably would never write that ever again um that way what makes this a private versus a public club and and I think this is very important so typically with a YMCA you
have a membership in order to use the facilities um there are obviously waivers to that if you're part of a swim club for instance you don't necessarily need to have a Y membership to be part of the Swim Club but um it you know it is it's not while it is a public
facility in the sense that it is open to the public you need to have membership in order to use it so that that's what would constitute as private because the public could not just walk through the door and enjoy the pool Joe public can't walk in and and
dive head first into the pool y for lots of reasons I appreciate that thank you that well it certainly clear up and I think that's on the record um will there and I'm not sure if this was covered um will any hazardous material liquid be stored on site um I think
there will be pool chemicals on site of course uh treatment chemicals for the pool uh those will be stored in appropriate areas within the building nothing stored outside so that is covered under um 247.tv material is outside outside all
right so this is this is going to be encased in a building and and with the appropriate measure it's cover it's that was Sum right so that's covered um because we're next to a surface public water support not next to but adjacent
to across the street uh it does talk about uh the need for uh downgrading groundwater monitoring Wells is there do you think or maybe this is for your engineer is there any need to
put a downg gradient uh monitoring Wells we are by the public water supply so we don't believe so based on based on the storm water management plan that's been produced vetted through town engineering and the planning board pretty good chance they already
exist I don't know the fact that's why I have to that question I just want to be on the record that they don't believe that that birs by law that they don't need downgradient uh water water monitoring Wells and that's covered I guess that my thank you for that uh
my last question uh would be I'm not sure I heard this or not we're talking about transportation and all of that is there going to be a bus stop there will be will the bus be transporting folks there so there there is a b Bus drop off um right here you'll see there's a bus
drop off so this is the drop off Loop and then this area is in terms of a bus drop off so well the uh oh CCR uh yeah okay um we're working on that's something that we're currently working on getting a designated stop created all right um thank you for the Ia system
very much thank you that those my questions my man's a retired Banker you know can I ask a quick question on Tony's all the chemicals for the pool will the fire department like have a list of all that yes can that be
provided Stacy's going to come up and speak real quick okay thanks good evening Stacy PE president and CEO of the YMCA Cape Cod um our pool chemicals do require hazardous materials permit and we will work with the town to get that permit on an annual basis and
they require hazardous materials plan etc etc okay great thank you you're welcome they require the foundation to be built up so it can hold the am sometimes like the fire department gets a list in certain agencies just so they know what they're walking into into I
that's why was ask I mean I think that you know obviously as we've talked about a number of times any permit here is not a blanket approval so um I think the Y is going to go above and beyond to make sure that this works for everyone and is safe and appropriate and really a wonderful project
Nick you're the one with the kids that are going to be loving if you're involved in them you know heard about it for a long time yeah you're going to be going there with those kids the plan is all things being equal um we hope to break ground in
September yeah really is anybody have any other further questions up here one's a projected completion completion two years 20 months from the start 20 months from the start beginning of Summer wow anybody from the public want
to comment on this project come on up sir good evening members of the board my name is Mike salamando with the village of brick Kil and where the abutters they the most affected by the project i' I've
met with Stu and uh Rick out on the site and and I and I've seen that they've made some changes and you know and they've been uh they they're really trying they' they've helped with the bus turnaround before it was right up in our
uh right almost in in some of these homes that we just we just got approved after just as many years as they've been doing it that's how many years that I went through getting the village of brick hilm approved I um I only asked that uh you
know we we've come to an agreement that you know that you know we were going to you know see how it CU it's really something that's fluid when you after you see and after they get through with roadway is what we could do I'd really like to see them and they've well just
somewhat agreed in uh uh that we do some type of birming all right because I think birming is going to do a a lot better than some fencing and it gives the uh and the planting of Evergreens and that type of uh uh Shrubbery would
uh you know would help with I'm just trying to protect my homeowners or the people that are buying the homes they're going to be right next next to this I mean we're all for it nobody nobody's against the why I'm I'm very much I mean even to the point where we gave the uh
you know we gave the stub hoping that I was going to save the money of you know uh you know 400t of 8 in water uh you know that was voluntarily that was not something although we put it in the minutes that was something that I offered to do I'm looking forward to
them producing a great project I just wish that the road wasn't that but it it is what it is now what we can do is what work with what we got so uh I appreciate the new design that they've come uh I
have only one other question that I'm that I have for my homeowners and that is the lighting I mean I know that we're not allowed to have spotlights or anything on our on our homes and now we're going
to have you know some pretty and I don't know what the town to be honest with what the Luminous are on the on the town's requirement for parking I was hoping maybe for balled so we don't have a forest of of of lights at night and people's backyards but I know that
there's certain laws that have to their requirements I just don't know how we can meet the requirements of the town and still keep aesthetically you know from my homeowners to uh uh you know to
keep the lighting down you know in their nighttime viewing or and I don't know if that's uh you know possible but I I don't know what what a ball it covers as compared to high-intensity lighting you
know high up that's something that uh I think the attorney is going to address that if you'd like still can help with that but those are some of the the questions I have the the be it's a beautiful building again I wish the axis Road was someplace else I I think that
if the church can share you know the parking why couldn't it share the driveway but evidently that's uh that was overlooked but um like I said uh they they've been uh they have addressed some of my
concerns uh but uh I hope they follow through thank you thank you thank you I can speak to U Mr Sal's comments um so we have been in discussions with with Mr solando about potentially altering this rather than a fence to
create a burm um and what we've basically come down to is we're not opposed to it and and if it ends up making the most sense we're more than willing to do so and we' come back for an administrative approval to do that um it's really going to depend as they start clearing as they start doing Road layout as they start doing excavation
and moving Phil um as to what makes the most sense there um in terms of the access road I mean unfortunately this is really the only place that it could go um there is a driveway for the church here however just on the north side of the driveway is a parentage where the Rector lives and I they didn't
particularly want all the traffic from the YMCA going within a few feet of the parsonage um there's also enough land here so that the church could still theoretically subdivide their remaining parcel um and they wanted to be able to do so because they're not sure what
their future holds so so respecting that this really was the only option for the access point um in terms of the lighting it is going to be all dark sky compliant there is no infiltration um we have the lumens plan we will you know this is we'll we'll abide by all the same
regulations and conditions that would otherwise be required but the lighting plan that we have submitted is dark sky compliant chair go ahead Mark um well it seems to me quite logically that the burm would deal with Mr
soloman's uh concern of the headlights and a row of arbes would uh certainly uh especially as they grow uh deal with his other concerns of light because it is a a multi-story building
um and uh putting that off to administrative approval I think um Mr solman would probably be more uh satisfied if we could U deal with this as we go I mean it doesn't seem like that unreasonable a request no and we
we've been we've been very open to it throughout the process it's just a matter of unfortunately we're not going to you know this you've been to the site this is a tough site to figure out what's but I mean you're talking about something that would be located right on the property line which isn't going to
change or vary I mean so I mean I I don't I don't think it would require for him to be here every meeting for him to get what he wants I think it's quite reasonable what he's asking and and I think it's a quite uh uh
simple fix simple fix um which any putting it off to any administrative approval or later on down the road or whatever I I I don't think is uh Fair May I follow up on that a little bit go ahead go ahead um I'm looking at
uh sheet c100 is a and it's outlined as a wildlife Corridor along those is that of the of the site plans Tony uh I'm sorry what was the question is that that's of the site plans yes C
100 it is a wildlife Corridor yes all right uh what are the conditions um uh surrounding that Wildlife C does it have to have particular open area does it remain clear because Mr salomani was talking
about burm and I'm going to get into that in a second but really what's happening is if you got this C are there conditions that Cape God commission put on that no it's not Cape God commission it's is actually part of the review by the planning board um and and so it's
been approved as is as a wildlife Corridor we did confirm that having a burm with plantings there would also be acceptable as a wildlife Corridor um but I think think that we were in a position where we weren't ready to alter
the plans coming before this board um we have been dialoguing with Mr salamando throughout this process since the first planning board hearing and um we'll continue to do so and you know this is um I think something that can certainly
be worked out between the neighbors so just final part of this so your opinion the burm of some sort some size because you just don't throw a BM in cu have to spill over in property uh on that side it is it is it your belief or your
engineers belief that a burm could be uh constructed there in a fashion that maybe needs to I don't know how you do it maybe take up some of the adjacent land or will it be all on your property I'm willing to work come on up
thanks I'm willing to work with both of them I mean with Rick Rick Anu we walked the property I mean we were GNA we were going to do it and uh as I was explaining to the board they they you
know and and they've made some of the improvements that I've asked already I mean I'm willing I I want to work with them and we'll work and I can I can start the Burma you know I've got ideas of even starting the burm on my on my side of the the property and then
working it and help helping them filter in cuz I have extra I've got extra material that I can use and I've got certain areas especially in pretty vital areas um if you can see in this area here which I'm going to leave as open
space but I can spill some of this uh and build a mound right here on my property some of it may curtail like about 5T into the wildlife C but we're just we're just we came up with a where we could plant on both sides of the line
and what I'm hearing what I believe I'm hearing is that both sides both properties appear to have some level of solution for burm you're willing to give something maybe the Y is willing to give a little bit with regard to the burm
because you have a slope obviously that's going to be on that burm and that's going to end up in someone's backyard that's correct uh people who I don't know what you saw but people may already be occupying some of that property that common area some some aren't but I've you know I've already
planted on my on my side and on on the church's side with with the church's permission previous just want to make sure that what we heard tonight is that there's a possibility that both of you are working together to establish that type of screening that's
yes and we'll be kept the prize of this and this will be part of our process as well I think we have to do it administratively cuz the plan doesn't show burm cuz they're not completed yet with their discussion well I mean as
they uh uh I mean as it is uh I know Kevin just seems to indicate that this is going to be done uh not in front of our eyes and I'm I'm not so sure that's I can um there there's levels of administrative approval so this is
something we can come back to the board for administratively yeah well I I just think that we should it should be an open process that we can see so everybody's let's make it a condition okay yeah well but they have to uh come
up with a proposal before we can make it a condition no that comes just put a condition they come back and show us the yeah I mean because as we' said as I mentioned there there are there are levels of administrative approval there's things Norine signs off on and then as we'll see in about a few minutes
when I come up my next hearing there's administrative before the board um and to the extent you know as we work through things with Mr salamando were're able to figure come up with a plan it works for everyone and would come back submit that administratively to the board sounds like a plan here sounds
good just want it to be open yeah anybody else from the public want to comment on this anybody else have any further questions up here no about the bus stop over there you have a question on the bus oh yeah
but Tony uh and you know it's still in the making I was just kind of concerned with the uh uh Cape Cod Regional Transit stopping on brick Hill and proper I think that's uh could be an issue I'm just I'm curious as to how it's going to be dealt with
are you kind of thinking they're going to come into that little Bus Loop area is that what you're going to try to do you know I'm honestly not sure I haven't been part of those discussions um I'm not sure if the transit authority willing to do so but we we will have sidewalks available up to Brook Hillen if they're not able to come down they do
have a a policy where they'll go off Route if you call so I think that's something you can be arranged but I'm as Tony is uh I I'm kind of concerned about a bus stopping on brick Hill proper but we do have a bus stop on site so we do
have space if they're will if they're willing to do so and I'm sure the bus will pull in but like I said it's this thing will all flesh out at some point but you know we got to keep it safe so would the high school be potentially using the Y like the pool for
competition or that sort of thing doesn't currently have a swim team right so but if that were to potentially develop would that be a potential Arrangement absolutely because I think you know in those types of circumstances when schools have meets with other schools or whatever else it is there are
buses that transport those kids so presumptively that bus would be delivering those individuals to this property as opposed to driving to the high school and the kids hiking over AB yes so yeah now they' be they be delivered dropped off at on-site uh
they're not door Dash but uh they'd be dropped off um but they could just back to fouth high in park over there they could uh but Barnesville High School I know for instance uses the right high as YMCA as their home pool so at least it's close enough they can
just go par back and and as as two mentioned there will be walking paths between High School across that 19 Acres yeah well no it's not it's not even the 19 Acres isn't between it's the the high school backs up to this um if if I show if I pull up the uh so they could even require that they park
on the high school and yeah they they could yeah yeah um or at least just drop them so you know this is the High School site right here and this this is us so yeah there's um there the intent is to have walking pass between the YMCA and and the high
school I think that's great parking overflow I think that's great with the water discharge it's wonderful anyway any you all set I'm I'm good to go Motion to everybody you are you all set noren Norine you good I guess yeah I I
have piles and piles of notes here but you know it's mostly just details for a decision essentially Mark you're up all right motion to uh continue to when that how it's going to go I I think I can close
close close yeah motion to close then second yeah we have a motion to close in a second you all set I'm good everybody up here is all set to close all those in favor of closing I oppose
none discussion any discussion before we and you're a fat motion to approve with conditions I'll second that's simple we have a motion in a second let's do some findings all
right m massive amount of findings um it's in an agaa Zone it's on 6.15 Acres it's in a water resource protection overlay District Wildlife coridor you're allowed to correct me on
the parking because it did get confusing it is confusing we have 176 spots 11 accessible 4 EV 142 for the YMCA 34 for the church 92 shared through a recorded document yeah
yes so of that of that 142 90 are are of that okay thank you 159 are in the front 17 in the back there are 10 side thank you uh 10
bike racks um is what I found in here um let's see what else I have the special prit was special permit was approved by the planning board February 11th the building size 68 470 that's
horizontal square footage right traffic study was done I didn't get the dates on that but that's okay there was one done October 2023 okay thank you October 23 uh 600 ft back from brick Hil it shall not affect a BAL housing Cape cut
commission approval uh marine and environmental service has approved the wildlife Corda uh the water main will Loop um we had one neighbor question about
lighting and uh the burm um 2 46.1 B 47.7 B4 240 14.1 F3 a 37.2
coverage denitrification system um credit parcel yeah how do we write that the finding of subject to this subject to an assignment of groundwater discharge rights thank
you um C posted Water Resource protection overlay District I already did that one yep uh the site distances were okay mhm can you think of any other ones Marine
I think we cover them pretty good yeah I I mean I think you know just given the facts in this case it's obviously going to be pretty voluminous so you know I don't know if you want to sit there and go through it but we would obviously recite all the facts relating to uh the
submissions all submissions parking sizes um conditions Club traffic study in terms of findings I think you can make the 12.1 findings about adequacy of sight
um yeah what point one so so if I may Madam chair um under 7.7billion um you can find that it will not adversely affect qu quality or quantity of water in the resource Protection
District or re uh result in substantial disturbance of water related natural characteristics or exceed maximum loading standards um you did explain the 61b mhm the for profit yep and then
under yep so 6 6.1b would be the nonprofit is the finding there as a well as the 12.1 e findings relative to the site uh adequate adequacy of size of the site suit suitability of the site for proposed use impact on traffic and
safety applicant uh uh sewage disposal and drainage methods utility and public services impact on affordable housing and consideration of the planning board site plan review decision and then under 240 14.1 f um the board can find that
due to based on special circumstances and shared parking that a reduction in the qual uh quantity of parking spaces is uh is approved and the agreement documents will be provided okay this The Bridge
height 34 34 ft above existing grade good job I didn't get that once the guy who's running the system gets it tweaked it very likely will run in the seven range they have known to Mr Peterson just so we're clear here
um we're actually going down in grade so that you measure height from the existing average grade so we're digging down cu the actual from from from altered grade will be 37 but from natural grade will'll be 34 which is how
the r is is calculated thanks we have some material to build a burm with may I ask sorry Mr now do we need a 53g account on this for site review by an engineered during construction well so that would be a question I would raise with the board
um the town engineering did refer to their storm water Engineering Group that they're using CI um they did a storm water review uh they had some 23 comments uh about items that they were looking for
um you also with the amount of clearing are going to need a Construction general permit Etc so I guess the question to the board is whether you want someone to oversee those details because the town has a limitation on what they're doing on the
property because it's private property so they'll be interested in what happens at the street street opening permit that type of thing not within the parcel itself well who would inspect that otherwise right well that's the question
and you know whether want answer yeah peer review just have it on the record yeah so so so how we structure up here so I guess the question is I mean if it's something that you're interested in you would condition that you want to
have up here engineer and you know what their General scope would be what would that General scope be like so I would I would just say we we did go through the engineering review process with the town engineering department as well as storm water review
and those 23 questions have been addressed and answered which is part of how we ended up getting the site plan review to decision um so there is there has been you know a high level of scrutiny to these storm water management plans um that's already been conducted
and and explored through the engineering department mean it would be a minimal expense engineering expense and it would be it's kind of um I think it's pretty I'd like to be very upon us to uh have
somebody to keep half an eye on it um if what you say is all correct the expense should be uh it's five or 10,000 would probably be enough but um I mean I I think uh for the comfort big scope yeah yeah but I
think we should be relatively clear for scope because we don't want them to have to spend more money than necessary no but I think but somebody's got to oversee that so there is a Construction Control document that's reviewed and stamped by the engineer as well as as built plans for the all of the storm
water management that'll be submitted um you can make submission of those to this board as well as the building department a condition are you talking about AIA documents no um I let Ste speak to that real quick yes as as part of the construction
process I have to um sign a Construction Control document it's uh through the building department and it and then I have to do an as built and I have to certify that what was built was built in accordance with the design plans and I
have to do the same for the planning board under their uh conditions of approval so that there is going to be scrutiny on this project um from my office it's my design I want to make sure it works um and um throughout the whole process from the time they dig the
hole they lay this the uh pipe in there I'm going to be watching them all the time but this is not done on an AIA document basis no that AIA is usually um the the um pay words you're not sign you're not signing off with the whoever
the contractor is or are you signing off I will be watching the contract to make sure he's installing the work appropriately they pay request in you're signing off on that I do not do that the architect will the architect is but we're talking about the site as well as
the building and the the you know the architect May refer the the civil portions back to me to sign but she will sign or SV will be the the lead in that but I will if they want me to re I'm going to be doing all the shop drawing
reviews and also when when they come in for um a manhole or uh a pump uh for the the pump station they have to send that to me I review that I stamp that as approved uh resubmit or provide
something different so there there are checks and balances all the way through the process because I I work for the YMCA not the contractor and the I have to make sure my client gets the best product they pay for let me ask a question this way so you're
doing that on behalf of the why but you're not doing it on behalf of the town no I'm not and there lies the difference yeah yeah I mean weed a lot the other part of the issue too is that for the property next door you do have a peer engine
who's overseeing that project as well and you know where there will be some changes made to that Mutual lot line including the BM Etc that's going to have some impact on storm water Etc and so you know everybody wants to make sure that this works you don't want to have
anybody's like next to neighbors basements have an issue or somebody's backyard or whatever else it is and we want to be sure to be sure yeah I don't think it's too much to ask I don't think it's too much to ask now that I understand how the process work from
their perspective I I don't want them to incur additional expense but I think the town has to be protected well can we limit the I going to say we can do the or the spend to less than $15,000 so I mean if they're going to do all that work all you got to do is
review well I may go for I when you limit the scope to $155,000 I have no clue W what what a peer engineer would do for 15,000 maybe it's 5,000 I I don't
know what that means and how flexible can we be with regard to that so that they're not over in other words they going to put money in that account when does that money go into that account at what point when construction starts uh so it would be as
part of a contract so whoever the peer is what we've done in other developments is the peer is normally part of the process prior to digging taking place right so that
they're familiar with what's proposed and they're overseeing you know the development um they're essentially our eyes and they are their eyes and so I I my my question on this because I haven't had any
projects where this been this has been required mainly because I don't do 40b projects where this has typically come up and I see the I've seen this come up in the scope of 40 BS but again I I I don't handle them um but my understanding is that that's usually when there's been a peer riew a peer
engineer who's been involved in review of the plans throughout the process whereas our engineering department did not refer it out for peer review um in terms of the the the engineering review the storm water review they did refer out and we address those questions I've
just never seen this require environment in a non 40b um well this this is particularly you know I mean this is a oneof a kind don't we've allowed you uh quite a bit of latitude here and for us not to
monitor this process because with that Latitude comes responsibity the responsibility and the likelihood that uh something could happen and I me an extra set of eyes would make us comfortable and we're not talking about I I'm not I'm not objecting I'm trying
you are I'm trying to understand because I've not I've not had this come up before so this is this is a oneoff yeah I ask go ahead Mr do you have a standard scope uh when you send out a request for
proposal something like this so it would typically be storm water and drainage that's the the primary interest and obviously you know if you're going to accept potentially that their engineer is certifying that structures that you
know are belonging in a certain location that they're complying with that I guess part of what I'm wondering about here too is that you know there going to be some changes at that Mutual shared lot line right and we want to make sure it works out properly for everybody and
having somebody oversee that could alleviate a future problem for either side so that things are done right at the beginning in the bus stop thing too yeah can I uh ask uh what what what what have the costs
been for for these let's say sandwich road yeah sandwich Road what did that cost so I don't know what the development cost is going I mean RP engineer yeah I don't recall exactly that was they paid so but was like
10,000 it was like 10 or $1,000 wasn't it I thought it was around you're talking about I mean for us to ask for $155,000 I mean on a $20 million project doesn't uh I have no problem with that I was just trying to make sure everyone
understood the scope of work that would be involved for that 15,000 I think I I think uh would' be um I I I think that we should have so it would be fund a 53g account $15,000 for
the purpose of peer revie peer review for I'd make that motion storm water um you know we've typically had them review as builts as well I mean you know you could choose to do that or not
um I would say and perhaps I missed it I didn't notice that there were plans that were dimensioned so you know that would be something that we would need to have um submitted for the you know for the
dimensions of the building itself I think they do have um offsets Etc but I didn't notice any set of plans that had actual footprint dimensions for the building so you know those types of details um would would need to be added in but I think you know if you want to
limit the scope to storm water management right to make sure that the drainage they've planned is going to work and that particularly if there's changes at that mutually shared lot line that it's it's working properly for both
right and as bu s i I don't want to prolong this Madam chair but I I want to understand what is it that we're trying to make sure we're protecting the town it's just F no no and I get no that's
why I'm bringing this up so in other words their engineer is doing a lot of work but they but their engineer is doing it for the YMCA um do we need to have a PE engineer
review any of that or is is it okay just to limit this to storm water and drainage I think that makes sense okay you know and I think you know when you're talking about issues relating to lighting you know that's clearly something that's going to come up as
time goes by right you're going to know at night what are you saying or not and they can certainly put in uh full cut off fixtures toward Josiah path so that light is not shedding that way but you know obviously when you have a parking
lot you want people to feel safe and you know maybe we include that in our engineer review too because it's a point of contention between the butters the Butters and I mean it just seems simple seems a no brainer to me and you know they may have a circumstance where uh
lights at a certain time of night when they close are greatly reduced so that you know there's I mean the intent of that Wildlife quarter is that Wildlife can use the corter right and so they're accustomed to walking around in the
pitch black because that's what they've always had trees and a burm aren't going to affect wildlife and you know but yet I'm sure they're going to want to have some lighting there for security purposes that makes sense um I think that um we have to
condition it I didn't I don't met with all the documents in this application I don't remember seeing a lighting plan but I suspect there is one we we actually showed it you short here short memory all right um but um so that
should be reviewed we want to minimize light uh trespass on the adjacent property uh I'm not sure how you do that so doc compliance and limited light trespass but I think that that should be
included in the scope of work or do we leave that to the building Commissioner's Office you know I think when they have the direction they've stated they're going to do dark sky compliant lighting and I'm sure that they're going to make all efforts to make sure that particularly on that side
of the parking lot but there's not spilled toward the residential development because you know that's obviously the interest here because you know we do condition those residential developments to not have spotlights shining in their backyards off their
property and similarly to be a good neighbor you don't want to have lighting from the the Y shining into to their homes or backyards either but if we if we are not specifically uh attempting to eliminate
like trespass then who knows what'll end up there I think that go ahead I I I just think that if if they're going to do all their due diligence and all their engineering it's going to make our peer Engineers job minimal yeah and I think
for us not to require it would be I mean because long ponds in the balance his Project's in the balance what he got 24 houses over there I mean it it's just for the want 10 or $15,000 I I just I think we condition it with a 50 the
applicant fund of 53 15 up to $15,000 I'd make that motion right now well let's go through we have conditions we have conditions yeah propos we make that a condition the first condition the first condition yeah okay party of the second part okay so
we're all an agreement on that yeah right did we finish findings back to findings went off we went off the path and not Josiah's path so there there was a conversation that did arise about the
sidewalk and when uh Josiah brick when Josiah path was proposed what we asked of them was that they have a sidewalk across their street Frontage and to connect to the church yep there was not
a requirement that they take the sidewalk across the church property Etc that's that's not their work um so I think last time I was by they had certainly uh appears that they've put in
the sidewalk that was that we required of them and that if you know there's some um effect to that sidewalk through the construction CU they will be obviously putting in a second driveway there Etc
um you know that sidewalk repair and upgrade or whatever will become the wise curb cut the wise issue to deal with because like I said we the ask of Josiah path was just that they connect to
what's existing and if there's you know an impact to that that's not on them no with of course I mean it's going to be part of the road the curb cut that of course have to make sure that the the entrances from the sidewalk down to the driveway are appropriate and wouldn't be
able to get away with it any you know anyhow but all right I think we're on to conditions on to Cincinnati as you'd say yes so I guess the other thing is so we we have talked about um improvements to
Safe Crossing at the intersection there is that something that the town is engaging in or who's I think that's part of the K Cod Commission decision um so we we'll obviously have to engage with the town and the the DPW in in terms of
coordinating that okay but um I think if you uh made reference to the other approvals that would probably incorporate those conditions into your decision Cape Cod Commission yeah okay is there is there um any need to consider a
completion date we see in this town right now many of these bigger projects that go on for years and years and years ever and uh we have put completion dates on we never did that I could 20 months
from September so that would be you could make a finding that the anticipated comp completion no I mean I I would expect in the building um permits that are issued now
direct um contractors to continue expeditiously and that if you don't continue work on your project you can lose your permit so I don't anticipate that's going to be a problem here and you can't mandate a completion
date like attorney CLA just said they the applicant did indicate 20 months 20 months which would be may 20127 you could you could include as a finding as a find you could say testimony is what their intent we did something but you can't mandate that somebody finished but
and if they have issues with materials or whatever all these things happen so that's you know some no we just have some things that are Happ I can't talk I can't mention the addresses that just seem to go on forever and ever even though a part of that project has a
completion date specific to a building and the uh conditions yeah no um we we obviously wouldn't want it as a condition just cuz life happens but but in terms of findings I think we'd be perfectly comfortable with you including a finding that applicants testimony is anticipated completion 20 months I'm I'm
saf no I think that's a good idea though just put it in now U just also correct it's um 10 bike spaces versus 10 racks I wrot racks I did say racks yeah it's spaces there's there's five racks with a space on either side so to provide
essentially for 10 bikes and if there's many more you could put more than that is my guess but yes there'll be okay all right do we we she still looking oh you're still doing conditions right so you have a rear portion 1.23
Acres that you're protecting it's going to be undisturbed connects to the town land correct but for uh potential walk walking paths yeah okay um so all right so it's going to be an effort with the
town to look at the intersection at gford and what types of safety mitigation can um be employed there yeah um are you doing conditions no no okay dare do that
um do we as a board have the right to recall the applicant uh to come before us when there are when we deem that they're unresolved matters of concern that exists in a uh
current condition very large project but I'm wondering if that's something that given the size of the project if we found something or somebody reported something because I know that our Building Commissioner is the zoning enforcement agent but we have
conditions that maybe need if if there's an issue should come back before the board to be discussed as to why something is not what it should be is that something that we should incorporate into a l a large project we
wouldn't do that with the house necessarily but with a large project like this on a main thorough well you know there's that option but you don't want to necessarily interrupt the zoning enforcement action that would take place if there's a problem right why wouldn't
D do that so that being said I mean perhaps you would like to invite the applicant to come back in maybe a year from now and update you know how things are going what's the progress I I would want as opposed
to you know I would want to be I would hope this board would if there were really major issue uh compel the applicant to come back and explain themselves as to what that issue is right well I think you know if there are um admin ministrative changes that need
to take place and clearly there's going to be a conversation about the buffer between the two properties and there will probably be some changes that are made on either side there to work out what's best and they can certainly come back before the
board and give you an update that's not what I'm saying so we reserve the right in other words we reserve the right to call the applicant back to explain an outstanding issue that has not been resolved in other words you I having a butter not a zoning issue I
having a butter who's concerned with an unresolved issue I'm only posing it because I like to be in the condition if it's not appropriate let's not do it how about um I mean they're looking at a 20-month construction window I mean they're going
to start in September uh 12 months how about if we ask 12 months just an update if it if it takes Kevin five minutes great I well I think his concern is if something goes in six months yeah I think he we have a very complex process of enforcement in
this town that doesn't always favor a Butters uh and I'm just trying to find a way to on a project of this complexity uh to be able to call the applicant back to Simply ask questions
to try and resolve um concerns so I think what I would propose to the board is that we request uh the name and number of a contact person for the project and that that
person would be our go-to person so that if we do receive a complaint we have somebody on the Y team to contact and ask them to address it we do or the zoning office well yeah the if you right
if you folks have a concern would come to our office we would reach out to the person and you know I'm not very hard to find it'll be at the pool I mean just just I'm there more often than not for everyone's edification in the public I mean we don't do projects this size on a
regular basis I mean and never and um you know it's just incumbent on us to see that things don't get out of control we're just trying to Ure that that's the case I have zero objection to giving a status update um and you know I have
some concern over what you've outlined Mr Puchi because I think as this board has talked about you're not an enforcement board but we don't want there to be a problem we never wanted to get to the point where we're getting called in to answer those questions so I've always
advocated open lines of dialogue whether it's with my office or with Rick who's going to be the project manager on this the owner's project manager or or with Stacy herself I'm I'm perfectly open to whether it's a condition or not there're being open lines of dialogue about this project and if there's an
issue we deal with it and I appreciate that I however unfortunately there are is a very large project that that does not work well has not worked well and has required uh unusual attention by various Town
officials uh which doesn't always get the job done I'm simply looking for an opportunity to resolve something that might be a problem and I do appreciate I know you would come back if we asked you to I would like like that to be conditioned that we could recall the applicant well again here's the other
part of the problem is if there's something happening like you know um brick kill you know there's complaints that the road has you know a lot of dirt from the site right back and forth so it's really much more efficient
for if we have complaints or concerns that come in that we're able to reach out to the call the project manager and say Hey look we have these problems please resolve it because by the time you set up a meeting with the zoning board and they come in hopefully if it's
that big of a problem it's already been dealt with right as long as you can resolve it that's fine yeah I think I think the phone number with the general I think a condition that we provide a contact I think a condition we provide a contact person uh a designated contact person um I think that's fine you know I
think Mr CL coming in 50% completion or something like you know rational and I mean in conjunction with the up peer engineer who's going to sniff out these problems so to speak because I mean the building department is extremely busy
and I mean we can't and this is a very large project we we can't expect them to be in there even weekly I mean it's just it's it's too much and and I'm sure that um I think we're heading down the right track P engineer and and some kind of
contact I think contact will solve it so those the first two conditions since we talk about them are you clear yes Crystal okay all right all other conditions work hours you'll
regulars uh we can't really say per plan because those are going to change well those would have to be modified through through the board though so I think you probably can say can say per plan and yeah all boards m uh cape card Commission I do want to point out when you say all
boards um the building department made a suggestion it wasn't um a recommendation it was a recommendation but it's not one we can accommodate because of the design of the leashing field they wanted us to add potentially add excess parking at the rear back here but that's not something we can do because of the
design of that uh septic system um so that's the only item that's the only thing we can't do we could condition that uh all high school traffic packs at the high school well I think you got to go back to this uh Mr CL is talking about I know what
he's asking so I I just when we say all boards you know we're happy to comply with the requirements but that was a recommendation not a requirement well that's a department he what he wanted was you to put that leing field in earlier it's something that you're saying you can't do so we can't say all
departments yeah or we can say all departments excluding we can't say excluding the building about excluding that one excluding the parking excluding the referral I mean excluding building referral we still have to get a building permit obviously excluding the recommendation about extra parking we can do that I mean I think you know
we're all hoping this is going to be enormously successful and that if parking should be a problem in the future you know there will have to be some arrangement made so for example you know there's a busload of school kids coming from another Community maybe what
happens here is the bus pulls in drops the kids off and goes next door and Parks at the high school we could condition that parking at the high school all high school related um traffic should use the parking at the
high school whenever possible anyway I mean right I think those things work themselves out it's be very hard to police individual Vehicles you i' prefer not to have that as a condition um but I think that if we had um well it's easier to do it now than come back in and deal
with it or you know I mean if they got in the habit that would be the habit I mean there is a sufficient I mean I think that's part of part connectivity to the to the high school part of our you already are short how many spaces 40 20 although there's actually um high
school parking for the field there that's actually in like pretty close proximity so I would kind of anticipate that that would naturally become a potential overflow location yeah but I
see buses at the corner now I see buses all on bri I don't think we need to condition that I think no street parking there's no on street parking yeah okay well that's right yeah no on street park
right okay dark sky lighting condition um I don't do we need to do any police I don't enough room there anyway do you have to do what any police detail condition I I I think you say if
necessary for Road opening I think you know it'll be either that or you know if there's some portion of the construction that you've got materials coming and you need a detail DET when necessary when do it that way that's a good idea I mean
they're not going to run anything but a clean operation I'm considering well think of any construction is construction uh well I mean it's anything else what else you have nor in the laundry list well of course there's all those little things like
posting the address when it's done um Street opening permit uh you know they like um all short of Kevin's can add to bike parking if if that comes up in the
future um see all construction vehicles remain on site yeah You' got the 53g account up to right we all so you know as part of right what that storm water engineer would do is you know they've talked about the
necessity Our Town engineering um that they don't want any storm water discharging actually into brick Hill itself so um you know that'll be something that is part of their development plan they can oversee and
the can look at going to be an issue anyway there was a question about monitor for phosphorus for Long Pond I don't know um I guess the question is you know when you have monitoring how do you determine
what the source is that's going to be the difficult scar I asked for when I asked for the downg gradient a monitoring Wells Far that's specifically why I was asking about it and you have to establish to an engineer what the grades are uh you set a
baseline uh during testing initial testing and anything above that's theirs they own it so that's why I didn't think we'd close tonight yeah of course we are of course we are we're going no I I thought add
we're add condition issues that we would leave with but no this is a great project we can oh yeah there's no doubt we like to see them get going so with regard Madam chair are you adding a monitor is that what you're trying to do I'm trying to understand
something and I'm I apologize but there is a there is a concern about phosphorus monitoring as it regards our drinking water across the way if that concern exists then how do we test for it how do
we protect against it and the only way you can do that is somebody's got to monitor it and the only way you monitor it unless the someone tells me different is you got to put monitoring wells in set a baseline someone then has to monitor it
from time to time maybe forever and anything that goes above that original Baseline then belongs to them then there has to be remediation how is that handled so it gets complicated but let's start with if we if we have to monitor for
phosphorus well then you need monitoring Wells yeah I guess it would be helpful potentially to have something from the water super that's what I was just think as to what specifically is needed maybe we could have the peer
review person meet with the water superintendent and figure out what's the best way to approach that so I'd come back to my statement that you know any approval here is not a blanket approval um any approval that this board issues is not a blanket approval we still have
to go through you know if there's a peer review involved if we still have to go through the building permit process we still have to go through curb cut process we still have to work with water department in terms of the hooking up there there will be multiple levels of additional scr there's no there's no multiple there's no level of review for
phosphorus that's going to come along with any that's why I was I guess I didn't think it all the way through but I thought there were going to be questions that well why don't we just condition it that the pro the the project will not
increase phospherous level Beyond um current level readings then they got to figure that out reconstruction readings and then they have to figure it out I don't know yeah I don't know where the existing Wells are you would think that the town has existing Wells that have that Benchmark
but I don't know where they are so idea I'm only guessing that they do I don't we're only concerned with they create yeah and and if the town has wells off site that's one thing still have to set a baseline if we condition that they do
not contribute to the addition of phosphorus levels uh coming from their site then they have to figure out how to uh monitor that I don't see how we could do anything if we want to close theight
which we already have other than what you proposed well that's why I'm proposing that so we can close and then see what how it shakes out I mean I have I do have a reasonable amount of faith that these people are going to do an absolute I mean we did do this in one night it's a major it's one of the most
major projects outside of the other big project okay we down on this and we have it done I guess do you agree or disagree well so you have a residential development next door and that's not completed yet that's going to change the
levels right there so yeah how are you're going to slice where something specifically coming from it's it's in the uh in there so I I I think that this will also be wrapped up into the peer review of the storm water discharge
that's what I think yeah another reason to have a peer review yeah phosphor so we have to add phosphorus analysis to the peer review scope of work okay well I know where that's going
to go I don't know how else to end it well I think the pier can work with the towns St engineer and the work that they did so that they can can be done absolutely all right yep there's no
technology how's the rest of your list you watch what they do next how's the rest of your list oh I I think we've covered I think most everything that's on here and you've got a 53g on there y
okay 15,000 yeah well I don't know how you specify the well that's what I was asking what the SCP of work would be I mean I guess so it's usually done the reverse where you ask a peer to do work for you and they provide you with a scope and they give you an
estimate so I guess what we then you the initial uh deposit of well we could just make if it goes over they're responsible well no you can't just randomly spend money and more
money and more money right so you would you could cap a contract at say a Max of 15 at this point in time and that if they anticipate it was going to go over they'd have to come back and explain that they can't but they can't spend
addition funds that's good I mean I'm I ever I mean I think sandwich was like 12 or something wasn't it I think it was around yeah it's a good project it's going to be run well we just need you don't mean to do this we're just doing our
job we we understand it's it's the it's the due diligence aspect of this and you know that none of this is taken as a slight on the projected be just try fully understand so we're all set with conditions you think I think we have um
all kinds of your list is good my list is good Tony's list we're in good shape guys all set to vote all set to vote set to vote all those in favor I opposed none
great sorry we had to put you through that we're just doing our job thank you thank you all we're very excited about this project yes great project good job half hour quickly we got a much larger [Laughter]
Applause okay next item all right clear up our stuff vote of minutes are we doing any minutes noren uh we are deferring to our next meeting okay all right so so we have um
administrative approval County Road so I have my paperwork somewhere here it is I'm going to stick this in here do you want to put your YouTu Tak any PL it's only been a year right good evening Madam chair uh do you
need to read this in or anything I I I don't do a ton of the administratives what do you need to read anything in or can we just do I want I don't I I didn't plan on reading anything in so we're requesting a minor modification to the uh special permit that was issued for this project um one
of the conditions uh specifically said that there's to be no that the condensers would not be located in the front yard and part of that was concern from the neighbor Neighbors about elevated condensers so originally as proposed um they had been looking
at Up on the Roof wasn't it well that's what the decision said what the decision allowed for something on the roof um but when they were proposing this you'll see here they were elevating the condensers and part of that was they thought they had to for flood zone
compliance um and in as during hearing it was decided that the condensers would be relocated probably to this area here right however um as they moved through the construction process building Commissioners informed them that the condensers do not need to be elevated
because the whole structure is not coming into compliance and because it's not all coming into compliance the the new condensers can be located at grade so what I submitted was a request to remove that condition prohibiting the condensers from the front yard as well as a letter of support from the neighbor
who had initially objected to it um because now what they're going to do is locate the condensers at grade right here and they provided us with um some very simple uh renderings that show them flush against the house there um and we think that's a better location and the
neighbor here is the one who had issues was going to have the condenser on the on the side of the house next to them they're much happier with them located in the front yard great so we were just asking to modify that condition prohibiting the location of the condensers is it going to be screening is that is that a little white fence
thing no I mean right now it's just it's just condensers that's shown there they they're going to landscape it and screen it um this is just shown as as the location but no they have every intention of landscaping and screening that now don't those encroach further onto the street than if they were around
the so there where we had conditioned them in the first place it's located right here um it's not encroaching into the street no but it's closer to the street is what I'm saying than the original structure that yeah um it it is but I think that we've typically not looked at
condensers as part of structures for setbacks uh they're on a pad they're on a concrete pad absolutely um but I I've not known the board to prohibit their location in a situation like that especially when the board of times
doesn't allow any further encroachment when your setback isn't um understand I know was comfortable with the original condition to be honest with you up up and out of the way and uh the neighbor here is the one who didn't
who who was actually really in favor of us putting them here and they're the ones that would be impacted by the location of of the uh why would they be impacted by them on the located on the roof the sound sound cuz they're cuz they're they're they're very close to
the property line themselves so that's the only request could you go back to the the rendering y please so that parking area is kind of tight but uh that's not what we're talking about okay I understand it okay i' make
a motion think it's not supposed to be a real packing spot though no it's actually shown here as proposed gravel St TR didn't you just say trash was going there trash buckets stuff again this is just this is just a rendering an artist rendering right ring back there and you know it there will be ca by okay
so I can make a motion to allow the modification of the previously approved plans is that the correct language that sounds good so just to update further what happened was they removed the proposed condenser that was going to be
elevated in front of the house and we issued administrative approval to put it in the side on the roof so this will be on top of that which is an admin on the admin yeah putting it back
where well I'm I'm okay with putting it back on the ground okay so are you I guess the other question I had was it looked with the depth of the pad and the depth of the gravel strip that there really wasn't space between the two to
actually do landscaping I think there's enough space there and they could always move the gravel rock they could always move those gravel barriers if need be because they are going to be Landscaping there as part of what they' discussed with the neighbor for many many years the Sullivans who own that house uh just had
a picket not picket but a stockade fence with rose bushes on it it's a very tight situation and I don't know what else they're going to do other than put it around the left side but how about the back of the house which that's up against the beach yeah you didn't want
you don't want it there that's really other than that roof thing that we picked that's the only spot really yeah I wonder if it was the butter across the street the away who didn't want to see something in the front yard no this neighbor this neighbor didn't want it in the front
yard yeah I don't want it in the front yard either honestly just telling you all right you I lose the vote ation he made the motion is is the motion okay yeah I'll second it any further discussion on the motion
all those in favor I oppose none yes markk oh you opposed oh okay 4 one right Nick I'll take V four out of five make me a Hall of Fame baseball player you were already buying a lottery ticket tonight anyway
can't have it all okay thank you very much this is um perhaps one of the nicest boards in town you know what right right right now you get my vote you know I I I wasn't kidding when I talked about this project this is oh Lord this is the pro this YMCA project
is the thing that I think I will at the end of my career look back on and say I'm happy I got to be a part of that kids might still like you yeah probably not maybe nice Legacy all right thank you zoning administrator
updates we're I think you've heard enough we've heard quite enough board discussion I was going to pick a date but since two members are missing we need to have another meeting coming up before summer so we'll do that next meeting we'll pick a day okay it's been April and October
we should have had one we should have already picked but I was going to pick tonight but then absent people so we'll pick next meeting yeah going be the 8th of May yeah I'm not going to be here 8th of May is that when the legs getting cut off okay we will circulate a date um for
dates to look at at a later date okay future agenda items I guess that would be it all right Mark back motion to adjourn next date did you make a motion second second all those are fav I
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