19th. Uh, item one on the agenda is approving our minutes from two weeks ago, the May 5th meeting. Tina's got a motion on the minutes as written. Ed's got the second. All those in favor of the minutes say I. Oppos? No. That carries.
Uh, for uh, every public hearing tonight, I'll just kind of say this now. This is how the thing is going to work. This is a big long agenda for us. So, even for us up here, this is going to be kind of a heavy lift. It's going to be a long night. this be a couple hours. Everything on the agenda tonight is going to follow the same basic format.
So, there's three public hearings, but then each one of them has a series of resolutions that are that are embedded in the hearing. So, we're going to go over to our city staff. They're going to give us presentation, big picture overview. We're going to ask any clarifying questions we have. When that's done, we'll open up the public
hearing. So, whether there's Well, yeah, I guess two of them have three motions and one of them's got six. But the presentation will cover, you know, everything in the public hearing. Uh so come on up. Uh we usually give the benefit to the applicant first or
represent uh representative of the applicant name, address, company you're representing, etc. Come up, cycle through one at a time, tell us your story. We won't interrupt you. You don't interrupt us later. That's the deal we'll give you at the beginning. Um when
public hearing's done, then we'll come back up here. We'll discuss it. Somebody will make a motion to do something and we'll vote on the motion. We're an advisory board to the city council. So then that goes forward to the city council and you get to do the whole thing over again in a week and then we just move on to the
next one. So everything is going to follow the exact same format. Here we go. Public hearing. First one up is the uh Blaze conditional use permit. That one has uh three resolutions to it. And we look to Harry Davis.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. to working on it. It's taking a moment. I'm getting just the So, I'll just kind of launch into it just a little bit. So, this is a item that is coming back to planning commission. Um,
so the item was tabled at the very last planning commission. Okay. The planning commission supported or generally supported the request, gave staff some indications as to as to what they would like to see for findings. staff has put together some amended
resolutions, one amended resolution in particular. Um so the recommendations at this point would be to forward all three of the resolutions. Uh the first one which is the conditional use permit. Uh the last two which are for different
variances. Um you know again city staff doesn't see a practical difficulty with this. So city staff can't support the request going forward. Um, but we understand that plan commission like to see it going forward. Do we have questions for Harry or
Leslie? Sam, Mr. Chair, uh, so none of this has been brought forward to city council because it was all tabled at the very last meeting. I think what you're talking about is that separate motion you had to get some direction. Yeah. That's not going to be
coming for a while. That that's not going to be in front of this. That's a separate discussion for later. It's not going to come before this. Other questions for Harry? We'll open up to public input. Uh if we have Mr. for Blaze or any of the
other neighbors. Again, public input on the Blaze conditional use permit and the CUP and the variance. Okay, then we'll shut down public hearing. So, that's done. Back up here to the planning commission. There's three resolutions in front of us. The
CUP, the variance for the front yard, and then the variance for the larger accessory structure than allowed. Mr. Chairman, I would move that we send resolution 2025X approving a cup for an accessory
structure at 1216 First Street Northeast to the city council with the second on that. Mike's got the second. Tina's got the motion on the cup as presented to us. We'll vote on them one at a time. All those in favor in the cup say I. I
post no. That carries. Now the variance for the accessory structure in the front yard. Discussion. Motion. Got the motion. Bart's got the second on that one. Is there any discussion? Who will
vote? All those in favor say I. I. No. That carries. Final one. Mr. Chairman. Yes. I move that we send resolution 2025X approving the variances for a larger accessory structure than allowed and for more
accessory use and structure area than primary use and structure then send to the council for a second. I'll second it. He's got the second seconds before Bart discussion on that. Did you have your
hand up? It's fine. Then I'll go I'll be voting against this one. Uh I was in favor when we talked last week I was in favor of creating a whole separate new zoning district that addresses lots that are larger than 5 acres and everything else.
We don't have that yet. So in absence of that, I concur with the staff report that there's not the variance requirements that we need to grant it. So that's I just wanted to explain my vote before we voted on it. I'll be voting no for those reasons.
other discussion with the group. Steve chairman, I'm going to vote yes. Uh, this has been before us more than once in my tenure on here. I can think of one is the Dubet um garage that was out on the southeast side of
town. Probably wasn't as big as this, but it was close. Um, and I even had an extended driveway to get to the back of the uh residence. On my end of town, there's two homes with huge buildings. one was
trying to be designated as a as a horse barn and I know it was basically a wood shop. So you can say whatever it is but has it affected the neighborhood? No. Is it looks good? It's been up for sale once. The thing sold within a month. So
I think it's in a great addition. Um the tax money that's going to be generated is going to help everything. So far as I'm concerned, yes. Okay. Bart, I just want to clarify is um Commissioner Green's question from last time going to
be presented with this. I'll go to hearing it with the clarification on on how that's going to get in front of Yes, Mr. Chair. So, uh this will be brought forward alongside these resolutions that that particular motion
that was made. Okay. Motion gets a motion to I'm just wondering where the Sure, Mr. Chair. I think that there is an issue with city council making a decision on a particular item before
it's actually formally brought to them. So I think that's kind of issue one. Issue two, this is not something that we would, for lack of a better term, blindside city council at a regular meeting. It's more something that we would bring at a discussion like a like
a city council agenda session or work session. Work session. Yes. Thank you. uh that we would bring first at a work session or to talk through some of these issues before we went with some sort of formal vote during anything you'd like to add Mr.
Yeah, just based on my experience it could be a few months before that end because of the way their committee structure you know the way their agendas are. I know the city administrators involved, the mayor's involved in the agenda setting the council, but yeah, it
it there's I never had an expectation that it was going to be in front of the council before we saw that that just not how the city works. Yeah. Uh Mr. Chair, just to go on a little bit further, so city the city administrator wants to
understand a little bit better about what's what's going on a agenda before it even gets to city council. So there's some discussion internally within staff as to how is this presented? Is it presented in a certain way in order to try to have council, you know, for
example, there's an EAW coming up. Well, we might want to explain a little bit more about what an EAW is before we even get into here's exactly what's what's coming. So there's staff needs needs some time in order to kind of work through any
particular complications that might arise by just you know just taking and taking a a a particular concept and then just kind of throwing it at city council. Mr. Chairman, I made the motion because this is the
way to bring it to the city council as quickly as possible because now they have to address our recommendations as they go forward and they're going to recognize that we don't have what it is that we need to pass it within our regular
rules. And so by making the motion to approve it and send it to council, it introduces the concept and the idea to them. and and then can follow up. It leads into future work
session. This is putting the the issue front and center in front of council other Sam. I absolutely agree. Yes. Yes. No. I want to see that um not wanting to approve it, but
other discussion. I'll just add I'm not confused. I I I know what I'm voting on. I don't think it necessarily looks messy. I understand what everybody's saying. I don't think there's a great deal of contention here. And maybe we could have done a better job explaining it two weeks ago, but I mean, as I'm
running through my head, DRC's got to look at it. It's got to wash through the city attorney. I mean it would just be weeks before any and maybe we could have done a better job of explaining I and you know I'll take the blame as that as chair you know when we process with a motion I could have done a better job
setting the expectation on the time so we've got the motion we've got a second we've had some discussion anything else we're ready to vote all those in favor of Tina's motion signify by saying I All those opposed no No. No.
Unless anybody thinks otherwise. It passed 52. We're done with 3A and that goes to city council eight days from now. Yes, Mr. Chair. Excellent. 3B. Mighty fine coffee. Comprehensive plan amendment,
zoning map amendment, preliminary plat final plat variances, conditional use permit. And again, we look to Harry Davis. And before Harry even starts, I it's a reminder Bart's got a conflict, so that's part of why he just left. So he won't be part of this discussion.
Harry, Mr. Chair, I Good evening, commissioners. Just presenting to you mighty fine coffee at 127 34th Street Northwest. before you. You will be making uh reviewing and
making um recommendations for a comprehensive plan amendment, a zoning map amendment, a preliminary final plat separate variances and two conditional use permits. Applicant is miss is uh Mr.
Steve Underdoll is here on behalf of Nathaniel Cunningham, owners of the property or Jordan A to permit a construction drive-thru coffee shop. that the applicant property is within the context
of largely um residential to the souththeast, industrial to the developed two separate parcels. We combined the one the eastern boundary vacant for a few years. The
part west was a site of a former businesses and has said very many proposals. A large portion of the property has impervious surfaces and drive over curbs to access As you can see, there is an existing
sign that is to be removed. Um, is not the structure is proposed to be reused. Residential roof line which neighborhood which is you faint. So I'm hoping you'll follow concept. This is if I start I'll start
north and go to mention the previously um was to be removed. This would be green space. There will be East. The structure will be reutilized
and reconfigured um with an internal for both the drive up access 14. There is a drivethru on the caration purposes and
parking which would follow along to access parking for both customers. need to exit the site directly westerly utilizing this drive-thru is the required ADA parking
with is very compactly The particulars of the site which are going to be considered is due to um whether this isable. The typical setback for parking and drive aisles is 10
ft because of the design for This somewhat limits the ability to tighten up. So the drive pushed at the very tightest portion four feet to the property. Really is no wiggle room for
that to accommodate between the adjoining residential properties. Uh put privacy fences. The balance of the site that is not is proposed to be landscape and to
accommodate storm water management and in detail in your packet and to by the city engineer. further for your review in the site as I great detail is the there is a existing easement um private agree easement
between this property owner which is a residential property and the property in the property owners and essentially what happens is there is parking that was previously agreed to um that is not
um imposed on by the commercial aspect So that is a standalone and what further constricts the but there we have found that there has been some construction the residents over the property lines which is so it's
highly unusual sometimes but the easement will allow we consider existing nonconformities to request before you tonight. As I mentioned, the comprehensive plan amendment will be the first
recommendation we have is established residential neighborhood and we are proposing and the applicants proposing a commercial residential and while one would say that the the neighborhood is substantial
um because established streets and so near other commercial and business properties kind of thread the needle and be a little bit of a if you want to stop me anytime that's
fine. Secondly, the variances because complexity and the order of stacking of this deck there are variances that must occur in advance of other motions. So in for the first two
variances that we're proposing that you consider would be um prior to the preliminary plat which would be the the variance issue is lot area that's smaller than the minimum the requirement for the C2
um district is 20,000 however because of the nature of the construction there really is no additional land area the proposal is 16,800 which is a
very square feet and staff properties also within the shoreland overlay district. There is a surfaces proposal right now with all of the the extra um impervious to this
property is variance of 4,000 477 we also provided this table for you for your review and if I can go so as we've noticed the there is a a we feel is necessary or should be
considered because the area right now is already% impervious surface on it. and you add impervious surface of the paved either parking or structure.
If you were to look historically at the residential park parcel before the house there and just looking in consider places where people drive and parked and sidewalks that did need about a 25. You combine them and it reached 20
38% So while the increase is beyond the 25% it's logistically only a 14%. And in your packet you'll see the the nature of the methodsology that the
applicant meet the storm water requirement and to meet and ex and exceed. Might I add they are here today should you have questions. Preliminary and final platination of these two parcels. Dedication of
easements create one subdivision one lot from two. The zoning the zoning map amendment. So zoning map amended request to change the existing zoning from a C1 neighborhood commercial to a highway to
a C2 highway commercial. The differences there is the addition of the drive-thru which um is the distinguishing factor in in changing that zoning district two which we bundled together. One conditional use permit is required
for a conditional use permit in the C2 highway. So even though we requested the the zoning map amendment, it isn't free and clear until the conditional use permit is applied for. The findings are there to be supportive of that measure.
Additionally, a conditional use permits for a drive-thru which is required by the property being within the shoreline district. So if you see the map above right there is location of the property. So it's well within
there. And last but not least, variances specific to the property that I mentioned earlier when we were talking about the site plan. The is constricted by logistically show requirement of 20,000 square feet
proposal 16,000 other the impervious surface ported in the Hope I did that slide. Sorry guys. Um, so the other one is the less than 10% less than 10 foot setback for
parking and the reduction of staffing space. Now this is considered while one might say that well we probably could cram cars in and we could probably have another car in there. Um, our ordinance does restrict car lengths to be measured
at a 20 foot length. So also we're requesting the request of variances three cars before so that cars are not allowed by the design of this site plan to park on top of the pedestrian walkways either
entering or as I mentioned this is the additional site is the exhibit of the easement from agreement which this is how this photo for um what is have occurring on
site which will be largely allowed to remain seeks multiple approvals for the purpose of debris developing property through these structures and applicant has provided a project site to demonstrate there is adequate
program what they're proposing the vehicle circulation. There's a lot to unpack here. There's six separate motions. Uh very thorough presentation. Do we have questions for Leslie before we go at 12? I don't mean to jump first. I
usually wait. But so my question, can you pull up? Is it going to be easy kind of an area zoning map? Uh cuz it's one of the lots is currently C1, one of them's residential and the request to go to C2. What I'm worried about is it a spot
zone. What's the nearest C2? Harry might be able to answer it for me. Yeah, M sure. We can we can answer that. So Leslie actually found in the middle of that the other property was actually both properties are we don't really if we get more into
the spot zone if we talk a little bit more overall the land uses that are involved I I think generally It's a little bit more generally when we're looking in terms of spot zoning. Can I still see a zoning map though?
because I I want to see what the old farbo foods is. What farbo woolen is? I just I I Are you able to see it? Okay. Is that Is that the best we're going to get? Okay. So, yellow is our what?
Probably R2. And the light purple, which appears to be Farbo Foods, is I light industrial. So, there's no C2 anywhere in the neighbor south maybe. I'm curious. Oh, what is Remember we did
the the old quick trip which is now under construction as a laundry mat. Is that a C1 or C2? That is C1. Okay. Thank you. That's helps me. Okay. Other questions for these folks? If not, we'll go out to public
hearing, public input. I know Mr. Underdall is here. I don't know if the applicant's here. Oh, right in front of us. Uh, that podium right there. I'm representing your project here and I put the and for any questions that you might
have. Uh, Mr. Chair, question about a C2 the north where the quick trip is right now. That is a C2 zoning. Closest one I can think of right now.
Do we have any questions for Steve while he's up here? Thank you, sir. Anyone else from the public that wants to talk to us about this one? Sir Jeep I'm a resident here in Farbo and all of you for considering
it been amazing representity probably would have left by now if I would just want to see their business do well and I want to encourage all of you to do whatever you can I just need an address for the minutes Sorry. What's that? Your address? Oh,
I'm at uh 1123rd Street. Okay, thank you. Hi, I'm Al Marada. I'm on 14th Street, just a few doors down. Uh 17 to be exact. Uh just to shed some color commentary on on the area there. Uh I
drive it every day. Uh constantly aware of traffic in there. This would just be a dramatic improvement to the entire area that quite frankly that building right there is an isore right now. It's allowed to be run down and up and down the street. There's positive feedback
for uh coffee. Thank you very much. Um we're residents of 1114th Street. Um, and we're in favor of the coffee shop. Um, our concern would just be during the construction. Um, at what point would
the fence be put up? Um, we have children that live there as young as 2 years old. Um, so we're just wondering like as far as when the the fence would go up, could it go up before any of the big machines and construction start?
I'll let our staff try to answer that. Usually the fences are more towards the end, but it can vary. I'm actually gonna pivot that to the the cle like if it's a decorative fence, those are put up as part of the finishing requirements before the building interior remodels
would get a condition a certificate of approval. However, if there is any protections or construction fencing, I'm sure the applicant would be willing to consider something like that. Yeah, we he's right there. Perfect. Um,
we we host a lot of events. That's um that's my parents house and we host a lot of events. Um we have the the large yard that is um and so we do have a lot of people come over. So if it if that is something
that can be Before you leave, I just also need your name. So, one person gave me a name, no address. Now, I got address and no names. I just need both. Tiffany Sodto, thank you so much. Uh, and also for the record, there was a series of head nods uh in in basic agreement to
that part of the conversation. But, uh, okay. Other public input on this one. Want to shut it down early. Good. Once the door is shut, it's shut. There you go. Sabrina Rooric at 318 Central A. You're
welcome. Um, Mighty Fang Coffee. I've only known about them for about a year, but I do know that they're military. I had no idea about most of the veteran projects and ideas within Fairbolt, similar to my friend Shep. Didn't really want to stick around Fairbolt, but these guys have made it a bit more of a home.
Plus, coffee. Can't really go wrong there. Um, so I'm in favor big time. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay, now we're going to come back up here to the planning commission. Thank you on public input. I doubt we're going
to go back out now. We got six separate resolutions. I don't care how we do it and what we can discuss everything globally, but we need these resolutions in that order as Leslie laid out when it gets to do that of discussion. Steve, this is for staff. Was there any
discussion about this intersection is highly is a high amount of traffic and you have a warehouse across the street that semis actually go out into 14th Street to back up into the loading docks. And my concern is this
um drive-thru is less than two car lengths away from the the uh the entrance to the intersection or the crosswalk. And I just I r a lot of times I can see three to four cars backing up
on the stop sign and I'm wondering how this is going to work. Is is there a point at some point to restrict this to a right turn only or that's not even been thought of? Restricting traffic
onto Second Avenue or restricting You mean the exit drive onto Second Avenue? This is This is exiting onto 14th Street, correct? The exit from the drive-thru exits onto 14th Street. The exit if it were to if they were to pull
out of the drive-thru lane or leave the parking area, they would exit onto onto Second. So, there's two egresses, right? Here, you go out. This is second. This is 14th. But she's saying there's
two. But the door to pick up your coffee is if you're going to pick up the coffee, you would have to exit onto 14th. Correct. That's correct. That is correct. Through the drive and that's where 90% of the traffic is going to be. I mean, you're not, let's face facts. So
sta so staff did you know have some discussion about this at our at our review committee meetings and the primary while that that is one consideration too having a right-hand turn only was not a discussion. We did
talk about having additional signage to make sure that there is adequate um caution in exiting the drive-thru since it is somewhat of a blind corner the building. That's was another concern too. Um but your point is is
taken. So that is has not been was mentioned by the city engineer or because just it's an extreme concern because part of the issue is you go it's
that area to the north is a racetrack and then it goes to a left turn and right the right lane is supposed to go straight ahead. And I I'd say on on a month I see six to eight cars that are in the left turn lane well over 30 miles
an hour rocketing right through that left turn lane and signage and direction is poor at the at the least. But the amount of traffic that's on 14th Street and the amount of is unbelievable. I mean, people use
they'll cut up and go through Central to avoid Second, and they'll go up 14th Street to go Shamway to avoid the city. So, there's I mean, I like every aspect of this thing except for that fact that it's exiting on a really bad
intersection. Thank you, Steve. Other discussion from the group? Mr. chairman. Um I was actually quite thrilled to see the redevelopment of
this parcel. I have traveled this road frequently um getting out to the fairgrounds to the ice rink to Menards to the the quick trip and um I think that they've been
creative in finding a solution for um redeveloping a to me a blighted parcel and I appreciated the fact that the DNR wrote a that are saying that the the
variance request for imperous surface that they were okay with that because that's not common for them to agree to changing imperous surface. And so I just felt like there was um a lot of effort
put into this to put it together um the concept of redevelopment. How do we make this work? And I just want to say kudos to staff working with the applicant and packaging it together for redevelopment of what is a blighted parcel. Thank you,
Tina. Other discussion? I got a question. A couple questions about the location of the would be the uh order space where you drive up and order. Um since these do they do tend to make a lot of noise and they are surrounded by houses on three sides.
that brought up by anybody or any concerns from any city residential units there that the speaker going off at 6 in the morning five in the morning is going to make a lot of noise. So the discussion was held with the applicant's representative about noise. So by our
ordinance the speaker has to be positioned so that it's away from the residential neighbor and so if you look at it it's positioned toward the building. um they have the ability with the technology today to monitor the sound transference from the order board
itself. They're simply approving u a loudspeaker and them having the opportunity to have a voice command doesn't mean it has to stay that way. You know, if you there are other opportunities s in other drive-throughs
where menu boards are simply that, a menu board and then you drive up an order. They would like the opportunity to be able to have the lead time to prepare the coffee. Um, you know, and one thing also to consider is because it's a coffee shop, it's a little bit
different than a food generating restaurant where you're going to be having a little bit longer lead time. So hopefully we're considering the idling time of of an engine to be somewhat limited or reduced than a typical drive-thru
restaurant. But um your point is well taken and I'm if I'm understanding the applicant from what they've suggested to me that they wanted to have the latitude to keep the ordering portion of the board. But please remember our
ordinances are do touch on becoming a nuisance to adjoining neighborhoods. So should it ever become an issue, it can be brought back to staff and to our code violation officers and we can investigate and have
more discussions with other discussion. I'll go. Um, doing this long enough, always in the back of my head, I just kind of have this motto. Try to find a way to Yes. I'm trying to get to yes on all six.
Having trouble with some of them, but I want to get there. You helped me quite a bit on the reasonzoning. Uh, because I would have preferred to see it stay C1, but if it's got a drive-thru, it's got to be C2. I hate spot zoning, but where else in
town would you be across the street from Light D? So that that gives it the uniqueness, I think, to get me to Yes. on that one. Uh, as far as the comp plan stuff, I mean, I was in all those
meetings. That has been a business my entire life. I don't know how long it was a laundromat, but was it like neighborhood grocery store or something? I mean there that has always been a some sort of business at that corner. So comp
plan that's an easy yes. I'm just kind of you know checking the boxes. The impervious surface I think Tina made a good point. If DNR is fine with it I'm fine with it. I usually kind of really dig my heels in on that. The reasoning I'm getting there and if I get there on the resoning then
everything else falls into place. Uh, I also think had there been a handful of neighbors showing up saying, "I don't want cars idling. I don't want the noise. I don't want this. I don't want this. I don't want this." If I heard those, that would have influence on me. But I heard the opposite. I heard
neighbors saying, "Hey, this is going to help fix the neighbor." There are times this system works, and today's one of them for standing up and saying, "So, thank you for coming down. I think I'm getting to yes. Nina, go
ahead. Mr. Chairman, I I think to maybe to answer the question on the noise, that privacy fence being as tall as it is is going to be a shield because the noise is going to bounce back. I think that's really going to
help with the neighboring that and the fact that um the one neighbor mentioned that there's they have a large yard in between them and where the drive-thru is. I So yeah, so I think that helps is
the the fence. And I like the personally I like the idea of being able to order and and not have to wait and hold the whole line up because I think that backs it into the street. But if you can order by the time you get there your copy's
ready, pick it up and go. Ed's got his hand up. Just to piggyback on that just question is what's the general hours of operation? I say it was there will be some time that staff is there fairly early part of the roasting thinking the
typical 6:00 a.m. to I want to say no later than 8:00 p.m. at night. Okay. Uh other I guess I'll just take the floor real fast before other discussion. I heard Steve's point on the traffic at at second and
14th. Closest I ever get came in my life to getting flattened on my bicycle was that intersection. Exactly what Steve was talking about. Somebody straight through the left turn line. That intersection is terrifying. But I don't think we can expect these guys to fix that. That's not their problem. But I I
hear Steve and and I think where I would take Solos is if there are people pulling out of that drive-thru and it's kind of a blind and they're getting people smacked, if they're seeing their customers getting hit or there are problems with the sidewalk blockage, just trying to kind of play worst case
scenario here. But if there are those problems that can be revisited as we as you know, it would be something the business would revisit, but they clearly don't want their their customers getting hit pulled out of the parking lot. Other discussion with the
group. There are six motions. We should divide the labor. Damn. Property at the corner. That's the motion. Second. Tina's got the second. That's on the comp plan amendment. Discussion on that motion.
All those in favor say I. No. That carries. Now the resolution. That's the variance on the inerous surface. And oh, of course the coverage. Thank you for that. Yes. Second's got the second on that one.
That's the impervious surface in the always important cover. Got a motion. Got a second vote. All those in favor say I. I. Post. No. That one carries. We're done with that one. Now this is the
reasoning to C2. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to um send for approval ordinance 2025X approving the reszoning certain properties at the corner of 2nd Avenue Northwest and 14th Street Northwest to
C2 Highway commercial. Second. Second. Sam's got the second. Got the motion and the second as presented that one on the resoning. All those in favor say I. I. Those no. No. That
carries it for the reszoning now preliminary and final plat. Harry just can I get some clarification on the no? Steve had the no doesn't have to. I don't have to, but I will. The the traffic I think is is a
serious consideration and given the C2 and the fact that nobody addressed the issue of the traffic, that's why I'm voting against that. Okay. Now, preliminary final plat motion. Make a motion to approve. Got the plat
motion. Ed's got the second on the plat motion. Discussion on the plat motion. Vote on the plat motion. All those in favor say I. I. No. No. That carries. Steve's got the no four. Excuse
me. That was four. Five. Now we're at the conditional use permit uh for C2 and Shorland Overlay district. Sam's got the motion as written. Second. Ena's got the second. We're clear on the motion. Is there discussion on the motion? We'll vote on
the motion. Say I. All those opposed? No. No. Carries. Final one. Variance for parking area setbacks in drive-thru stacking spaces.
Make a motion to approve a variance. There a second. Ed's got the second on it. I'm trying to get to Yes. I forgot about this one. Leslie, just remind me how how big is that variance again? Just give me the
variance overview. The setback. So there's a 4 foot set back instead of the required drive through stacking spaces. So it requires four and and they can squeeze. Thank you. Okay, we've got the motion, we got the second. Is there
discussion on it? We'll vote on it. All those in favor say I. I. I. All those opposed, no. No. Motion carries. Thank you folks. Same thing eight days from now. City council. Final one up this evening.
Malica Autobody out on 20th Street. This one's Bart to come back in this. Bart, go hunt down Bart. Thank you. Okay. So, Malica Auto Body, uh, it's a vacation preliminary final plat.
There'll be three resolutions there. Uh, I will just tap dance momentarily since we're losing about 80% of our audience and we're still looking for one of our commission members. You could do a little jazz hands while you're tapping.
Oh, okay. where we did find Barton. I honestly forgot about you, sir. It's a good thing that they mentioned it. I would have left you in the hall. I can't get content on. Okay, we're back to a full body mad malak auto body. I just mentioned it. It's a vacation
preliminary final plat. Harry, you got this one? I do, Mr. Chair. Okay. So, the uh items in front of you are from Mala Auto Body. It's vacation plane final plat and conditional use permit. Um Steve under all submitted this on behalf of the
property owner Mala Auto Body. Um their location is 19 or 190 20th Street Northwest. Here's kind of a like a general Google's map location map. U then the you know sort of an aerial with
the parcel lines outlined in yellow and then the zoning map. The properties are again outlined in yellow. Uh so it's right there at the corner of 20th and and 2nd Avenue. The request in front of you all today is uh the first one is to vacate a
drainage and utility easement that's along the northwest uh property line between the two properties that they want to combine. Uh the plaza to combine those two properties. Um, you probably the easiest way to show would be these these two yellow boxes uh to the north
northwest as well as this larger auto body shop uh parcel. And then the conditional use permit is for major auto repair uh which is only allowed by conditional use permit in C2 as well as within shoreland. Uh this is just an exhibit
just to show where the vacation area is. It's this this hatched area. Um, and you can kind of tell between the lot that's on the outside of lot one block one. It's lot three. Um, it's the hatched area in between that and lot one
block one. Uh, on the left is the ply plat. So, it kind of shows a little bit about uh the existing conditions for the property, but then final plaque kind of clears all of that. It's really just focused on the property lines. It's actually really good representation of the difference between the
two. And then this is a site plan and some building plans of the addition that they want to put onto the property. Uh it's not an addition to the main building. It's just an additional building. Um what they would like to do out of this building is do uh alignments
for vehicles. Um they're looking at an addition of maybe maybe a couple new employees. Um they are providing parking enough to satisfy that additional building as well as the existing uh
development. Generally with uh the vacation there's uh really not a whole lot of issues with this staff staff supports the request uh the plumber and final plat uh we went through uh some iterations with the applicant and we've come to a uh a conclusion of no issues
with the submitts. Um, one thing I do want to note is that we are not recommending parkland fees for this. Um, not to get too far into it, but when you do the calculations of the additional commercial area and the removal of a house, which would normally be, I think,
a grand and parks fees, uh, it's actually less of an impact for parks fees. So, we're not recommending Yeah, I know. I could I could get into it a little bit more if needed, but um, now I'm confused. Yeah. So, uh,
generally we're just not asking for parkland fees as a part of this request or we're not requesting it or that we see a need for it. Mindot does support the plats and has no issues with the plats as they're brought forward. for the conditional use permit. The condition use permit does meet the
criteria and that's both for a uh normal conditional use permit within our own code as well as the heightened condition use permit criteria um required for any property that is constructing within shoreland. This property just barely
gets within shoreland and so we are applying those heightened criteria. Um, but luckily it meets all of those. In fact, the DNR has responded that they don't have any issues with the conditions. In summary, it meets all of our zoning requests or zoning
requirements. So, we have three motions uh today for this particular item. The first one is to forward uh the ordinance, which is to vacate the easement. Uh, the second one is to forward the resolution to city council and that would be for the preliminary and final plat. And then the last
resolution would be to forward uh the conditional use permit for major auto repair in to take any questions. Do we have questions for Harry on this one? Tina, I do. Mr. Chairman and Harry, could you go back to the vacation plat where you showed the
hatch line? So, it's been my experience that, you know, we see block one and it's lot five, lot four, lot three that they all have, they should have reciprocal easements for utilities so that in their
lots also. So, shouldn't we be vacating the easement in lot three? Isn't there an interior easement in lot three on its um southern and and eastern boundary? Sure. Yeah, Mr. I can kind of
answer part of that and the other one I'll actually direct towards the applicant. Um, so some of these older plats that we do find across Farabo actually don't have any okay easements on them. And so I think that this is that particular case. Uh although I will
defer some of that question to the applicant just to kind of clarify and make sure they did their homework on it. So but that's that's generally what we're finding with with these plats. So the older plat doesn't have a a utility easement on it is correct. Yeah. In
fact, um building the Malica auto body shop here, they had to plat these properties. And so the the easement that they're vacating, I think was put in maybe two ago. Uh it's a little bit similar to those that have been on the commission a little bit for uh CNS
vending where they platted an easement and now they're removing it even though they did it to themselves. This is kind of similar to that. Other questions for Aaron? We have the Malik is here and Steve still here.
Yeah, that just made your life a lot easier again. Now I'm representing Malach. Uh yes, was referenced here back in 22. uh we were before planning for the original development
but really the same requests. So in a sense this is just expanding to this additional propert uh kind of on the easement. We have done, you know, on the acquired property that's there and it is actually a city
ordinance that all new plats establish easements for going forward. That's why you get so there's going to be a lot of places around the community where you're going to have half an easement. project we had just before us is going to be the
same property. Not does this have anything to do with the old 218 right away? I mean, it's every time we do anything in that neighborhood, we're tripping over ourselves with ease. All go back to the original sin of the 218
very old plat. It goes back to the 90s. Yeah. I I don't think we do anything in that neighborhood without vacating a Okay. Thank you, Steve. Do we have other questions for him? Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay, that's it for public input,
public hearing. Now we're back up here to the commission. Chairman, I'll move that we pass the ordinance for u vacation and drainage easement. Got a motion in a second on vacation of the drainage utility easement.
Discussion on that at all? Vote. All those in favor say I. I. That carries. Number two then now is the preliminary and final plat. Make a motion to approve. Thanks. Got the motion.
has got the second on that. Uh, any discussion at all? We'll vote. All those in favor say I. I. No. That one carries. Finally, the conditional use permit amendment for major auto repair C2 Shorland District.
I'll second this. He's got the second. Thank you. Got a motion and a second on the cup. I know there hasn't been any discussion on this, but as it was presented by this just falls right in line. Much of what I was reading is just it's a continuation of what we saw in 2021.
Great that things are going well there. So that's why these went kind of without discussion. It seemed I've got a motion and a second and the conditional use permit. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed, no.
We're done with that. Thank you, folks. Final one this evening. It's an ordinance zoning text amendment to allow proof of parking in the commercial districts. Harry, thank you, Mr. Chair. So, uh, this is actually
a, uh, staff initiated amendment to our parking section, specifically when it comes to proof of parking, which is a concept that we've used, um, that we're currently using with industrial properties. Uh what we've received is a lot of interest from uh site
redevelopment as well as uh just generally commercial properties to allow something very similar to what is currently allowed in industrial. In industrial you can do proof of parking for sort of an uninhibited amount. Um as long as you are providing enough parking
spaces for what then staff is the ability later on like let's say uh there's an industrial property and industrial use that uh people are just parking all over the grass or they put down a bunch of gravel illegally and now people are parking on
that. Well, staff has the ability at that point to say, well, you provided this proof of parking during the development side of things. Um, and you've shown where you could put some additional spaces. You're not parking illegally. You're now parking on top of
grass or have you, you know, this is the zoning violation that's needed in order to make sure that you build out the rest of your spaces. It's a very similar idea with commercial. Um the concern um that some people had is that you know
commercial properties might take it a little bit far at least initially and so staff is recommending instead of an uninhibited amount of proof of parking that you go to 30 uh uh 30% so that if a commercial property needs to provide say
10 spaces they only really need to provide seven spaces and then provide proof that they can build another three spaces. So, it lowers the amount of uh initial investment into the property so that the business could potentially get
in there and get going. Um, you know, I just have some small diagrams as to how it would work. So, you know, if we if we run into a situation where there's new retail being built, there's enough room for storm water. Um, you know, we see this kind of parking area. And I'm sorry
I crudely did this uh uh this morning, but all of the different color blocks except for the smaller green one. Smaller green one is the dumpster. The other ones are for cars. Um, you know, this is kind of either a new development or or or kind of a redevelopment for
particular property. Let's say, okay, well, they're getting a lot of interest. People start parking just to the south of that parking lot. So they're parking on grass, they're destroying the grass, they're destroying landscaping. Staff would have the ability to say, "Well, this is a zoning
violation. You're not parking service. You're not parking in your parking lot." And then make them go through and put in the rest of the parking. So that's kind of generally it. You know, the comprehensive plan supports this kind of idea and sort of a mix between
looking at uh the broader goals of the city um and trying to get redevelopment, trying to work with property owners and sort private property interest. Sort of they having an understanding of how many employees or how many customers that they're going to have over time, be able
to build the amount of parking that they need up to that point. And if they need more, then they'll build more. with zoning criteria. Uh the criteria are also met for this. Um it supports redevelopment projects and small businesses and so uh it staff does
feel like it does meet the comprehensive plan and zoning criteria. So we are recommending moving forward with this ordinance to city council to allow proof of parking up to 30%. We have questions for Harry
Bart. Um so if we were Okay. All right. I was just needing that context. So, would this have kept them? Yes, Mr. Chair. I can I can answer that. So when we're looking specifically at the ordinance, it is just for commercial
zoning districts. So if it's a residential zoning district, it would not apply. Um I also uh was taking a look at this and I think that there is some concerns over reducing the amount of parking for residential uses currently. So, um, with that in mind,
you know, even looking at a residential use in a commercial zone, say like Central Business District or, you know, Midwest Flats is actually on C2, but it's next to Mid Midwest Storage out there on Fourth or Highway 60. Um,
the reduction would not be allowed for residential uses. So, it would not apply at all to what we consider to be more of a resial So how would that work? Yeah. So how it would work with Divine
Mercy is that Divine Mercy um the urban flea market property, whatever you want to call it, that would still need to show, hey, you know, we have, you know, all of this room that's available for parking. And then they would be able to reduce that down to 70% of what's needed
at the time that they're going in and operating. Then sort of over time if it's determined, hey, you need more parking, you're, you know, causing some sort of traffic issue regarding parking, then they would have to build out either all or at least part of
that. So you still need to pro, you still need to show that you can provide all the parking that you need on your property. It just reduces the initial investment needed in order to get going. the questions. Steve,
I understand the concept and part of it, but you keep going back to when they're parking illegally. And I come back to um if the business really gets going and the cars are parking and disrupting the other businesses by parking in front of
either the on street parking or parking in their parking lot, when does what is the avenue to get them going? Sure, Mr. Chair. So, you know, on street parking is, you know, it's free for anyone. So, if as long as on street
parking is allowed on a street, someone could use that parking. I don't think that there are currently really any ways, and I've never seen a situation where the city has been able to tightly control that outside of say a permit. So, it would be
really difficult, I think, for the city of Farbo to do that. We haven't done that before. Sure. Well, we've kind of have because we restrict parking around the the u the senior high school during the days and to otherwise students park in
the neighborhood. And that's when we were talking about divine mercy. That's what let's just say he didn't have to have enough parking. Now you're really um frying all of the neighbors with parking cars there. Is there an avenue
for the the the people there to have let's say a time limit or something on the the on street parking so it allows them to at least have guests come over and park in front of their house. I understand that. But Divine Mercy is right next to a neighborhood.
You've got residential right across the street. So Mr. Chair, you know, again on street parking as long as it's allowed there is free for anyone to use. If I wanted to, I could go park in a neighborhood and then walk to work. I understand all
that, but Right. So, you know, if if as long as that's allowed there, there's very, you know, unless we go to some sort of permit system or engineering and public works and fire deem, you know, particular route not viable for on street parking.
There's very little room that we have there. Um, you know, again, staff could also look at a situation where if we get enough complaints, maybe we do bring this back and maybe we do take a look at, you know, is there is there is there a particular issue with that with that
project? Would this be a conditional use then if they were going to undersize their parking lot or is this just at staff's discretion? This is Yeah, this would be currently as it's written would be at at staff's
discretion. So, if we see an issue where we, you know, an applicant comes in and they're a particular business and we know that they're going to need all of all the parking that's required because we have other good examples of, you know, some sort of traffic or some sort
of parking issue with very similar uses. We can tell them, "No, you're going to do all of this." And through the appeal process, they would have to come through planning commission and city council to appeal that decision from Art's got his hand up. Thank you, Mr.
Chair. Um, do we have many, you don't need to tell us which ones, but have there been many situations for applicants? Not
or is this something we're just looking forward to in the future to make this available? Sure. I can give you one really good example and it's something that we're still currently working through which is the Madich implement dealership where they know how many
employees they have and they have a very nuanced understanding about how many customers that they're going to get in on a daily or even a weekly basis. Uh I mean they're they're farm implement dealers. They they kind of know who's
around here. they are required to put in I think it's somewhere around 70 spaces for their entire property. They do not need 70 spaces and so this would actually if they were to take it they would reduce it down to
somewhere around 55 which even then is potentially a lot more than they really need. It's more of a trying to balance between some of the concerns, very real concerns for commercial properties just not having parking even though they have all this room where they could put
parking and you know a situation where requiring more parking than somebody really needs. So this kind of like the 30% we can we can move that around. We can massage it a little bit. Staff doesn't really feel tied to 30%. It's just kind of an
idea start. So this is this is kind of an issue like one such issue that we're running into. Hey, I just want a clarifying question. This is a public hearing. Correct. Correct. I'm I'm I'm I'm with you. I hear that
and I respect that. Uh if we're done with questions, we do have Mr. Andro still in the crowd. Steve, you got anything for us in public input? also consider [Music] this. So this is an opportunity to raise
into greens determined that there is actually a need to have that is the entirety of our public that was public hearing. We've closed public and now we go to Leslie. I just wanted to answer the question you
had. is this is it addresses a specific circumstance and I think we we can probably the professional standards for parking is this is something that's being explored um right sizing parking as a
phrase and trying to understand the nuances of what like Harry said this is typically a challenge for development sites to begin with. We want to be able to give the opportunities for
some also give credence to those businesses who develop in other communities nationwide who know their parking statistics down to the so the staff consideration
was we obliterate all parking requirements. the applicants decide or do we look at our standards to be amended when this
potential this is the solution that we best service for the community Sam's had her hand up and I think she's got an opinion Steve and then Bart um so I've actually been
on had the same is I've seen that be effective and different. Um I love love love. I've seen it work in other communities. And to point, yeah, divine, I'm one block away from
D. There's a big band concert. They're parked at my house. So, I I understand that concern. I don't think that's going to be a of um if it's not used, it's
green. Um but it's still there if we have that all is always empty. So, I think this is a and lovely initiative, Steve. And then Bart,
I like the concept. Part of me wants to see this as something when it comes if you're going to redevelop something, you'd probably have a public hearing on it because they'd have to either replplat it or you're saying no. Mr. There are some sites that come before you where they're approved with
the zoning district for the use that they're propo they're proposing. So not every single application development site would come before you for consider. Yes, there would be some. Yeah, I'm good. That's fine. All right.
Thank you. Um, so someone does this and let's say we give them 30%. Then they sell the property to somebody else then have that in front of us again because at this point it could be
a different business with a different use there. So um I think part of that includes an assumption about that the project comes before plan commission anyway. you know, yeah, sure. If it if it if it does potentially, like if
they're trying to change some bit some bit pieces of it, let's say, for example, Mala Auto Body, you know, builds um their other building and then they say, you know what, what what if we just went somewhere else and then someone else comes into that property and they
want to expand it and they also want to utilize this 30% uh reduction of parking. um you know at that point yeah you would be able to review it alongside the other considerations to it which would be the conditional use per
that kind of answer your question we've talked about different situations with other properties and how so that's why I was kind of interested how yeah a a change in ownership wouldn't necessarily bring something
like this to the planning commission but some other U applications would. Ena's got her hand up. I I applaud staff. I think Sam is spot on. I love the phrase rights size
parking. I think that every project and application is unique and for staff to take the opportunity to evaluate whether or not a farm implement company needs 70 parking spaces or not, right? I I just
feel like um there's there's opportunity there. So, I appreciate movement in this direction. Other discussion. I'll second it. Got a motion and a second on what was presented to us. Any discussion? We'll vote. All those in
favor say I. I. I. All those opposed? No. No. That carries. Now, that's it for the public hearings. Uh, some housekeeping stuff. We'll combine requests to be heard. Item for discussion. Harry, do you want to take the lead? Do you want me to take
the lead? How do you want to enter this? Sure. Um, Mr. Chair, so we we have a request to um make our next two planning commission meetings virtual. Um there are some
reasons as to why a plan commission might allow virtual meetings uh or to accommodate somebody that might be running into some sort of medical issue or they would like to uh you know still be a part of the plan commission but
unable to physically be there. U there also might be some you know circumstances where plan commissioner is elsewhere but there's a really important plan commission perhaps one that is we have quorum or not. So, you know, we
could run into these potential situations. Um, we can have a meeting be virtually attended. There is an opportunity for that. Um, there are some things that we would need to nail down to and to
completely understand. Some of these things would include um meeting some of the Minnesota statutes. There's a particular statute on if we are going to have a meeting virtually u what the requirements would be I'm trying to think of like where
else the other thing then the advice of the city attorney was that it the first hurdle is the planning commission needs to discuss it and then we vote whether we do that or not. Correct. Yes. Thank you. So even though it's not on the agenda, this is going to be one of those rare times that there'll actually be
discussion and a motion and a vote. So there's a request. Ed, go ahead. Question. Is that specific to planning commission or all commissions and city council? Any and all boards, commissions, councils, tendencies, but each
individual board would vote. So like if this came to the park board, they'd vote. Okay. So it's each board's going to vote in, right? We're not telling all the other boards. That's why I'm asking. Okay. That's what I thought. Steve, we did it in the past. It worked. I'm totally in favor of it. Question. When
did we do it? You forgot uh we had co Oh. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I guess now that I have the floor and that's actually a good tea. Yeah. When there's co and and we had to do it all remotely. Yeah. Uh I'm just going to speak as just
kind of my preference here now. And tonight's a good example chairing a meeting. There's a lot of body hands up. There's a I don't like chairing a meeting where I have people in the room and I got one or two people
on a screen. Hard meeting to chair. And since we're an advisory committee, it'd be different if we were the council and they're kind of elected to be there. We're an advisory committee. You know, I would just prefer not to. That's my
personal point. I wasn't going to make it right now, but that was a good point. Yeah. If it's something like COVID where we're all on a screen. Yeah, it works. I mean, a broken leg, somebody that's just given birth to having a kid and they can't come here, why not? I mean,
they're doing it. They're doing it in the US House of Representatives and they can make it work. So, the hell with it. We can make it work. So, sorry. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Um, when I
had Mr. Chair, yeah, I can jump in on that. So, uh, under the current Minnesota statutes, you do have to have at least one person be present. Okay. So, that changed after CO then. Well, CO might have been different. that might have actually been emergency rules put
in place. So, you know, I can kind of go through some of the some of the requirements here. So, all members of the body participating in the meeting uh wherever their physical location can hear and see one another and can hear and see all discussion and testimony presented. Members of the public present
at the regular meeting can hear and see all discussion and testimony. All votes must be conducted by roll call and each location of which a member of the body is present must be open and accessible to kind of for people personally what
I've seen in other jurisdictions kind of been the kicker like do I really want people in my home? Yes. Was medical their personal but if it's a medic so there is there is an exception. So, a member that's been advised by a
healthcare professional against being in a public place, personal or family medicine. Question. Are you asking that our next two meetings or for the whole It would have to be for So, here's here's here's
here's the nuance to that is that there's some logistics that staff would have to figure out. I don't even know if we can under this new setup. Like that's that's part of the issue is I first have to understand
okay what are the limitations and part of it is going to be having either you know whether it's one camera or multiple cameras kind of facing every planning commissioner mics associated with that there would have to be a very
clear I mean you'd have to have a good internet from wherever you're trying to virtually come in from have to have your camera open for that your microphone. There are probably things that I don't even know about this
particular room, how easy it is or how I think that this is at least for me just trying to say, okay, is this something that the plan commission is willing will do their best to figure out. I don't know if it's even possible.
Thank you, Bart. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I think we would be ill illsided not to have this in place especially with you know cold and flu season comes up SARS outbreak or you know maybe three of
us are sick with with something communicable and I think having something already set in place already ready would then allow us to you know if something occurred like
that or the chair finds himself in another surgery, you know, he can still chair the meeting if he wants to after, you know, he's sitting there. So, I think it would be something that we could have in place and so that
way if an emergency or a bad situation with a communicable disease up, we already have all these things in place. So, we're not trying to scramble Ed, are you suggesting in place ready to go just in case?
So, with Ed's question, I think that it the chair had already brought it up that it's not just not just because someone's not feeling well or they're on vacation to use it unless it's something that they really need to be on, but that would have to be something planners.
But this would be more of a situation where we already have all these in place. So that way when we need to use it, it's already solved. The problems already already ready. We already know what we need to do. And that way we keep that continuity going.
And I'm happy to disclose I made the request. I have to travel for work. I'll be in Georgia on June 2nd. and then I'm having knee replacement surgery and I won't be able to attend in person on the 16th. I didn't want to miss two meetings in a row. It's not that I'm going on
vacation. They're just I have a work trip and then I have some surgery. So, I made the request. We're for my planning commission. We're all virtual. We do it through Teams. There's a monitor on the wall and and so
um I didn't know it would be this type of a thing, but we're just it's a different county, right? So, um, but I appreciate the consideration and if staff is if you're okay with it and staff can figure it out, um, it would be great. If not, it's okay. I'll just bug
you all about what you did while I wasn't here. FOMO is real. Um, and and then also the the re the other part of that is is I still have an opportunity to contribute my thoughts in writing if
I'm not able to attend. So I just wanted to not miss are so to Tina's point it's not the entire body that will be on virtual I think for these next two weeks the
specifics but we would be establishing a policy going forward I think I think our feeling was is that we would all be virtual for the next that's how I think it was no this would just be That's what I was saying that there'd be six of us
here and one of us on a screen. I'm still in favor of it. I think it should be an option. I like what you said it very well. You could have a cold, the flu. The flu is coming back. There's no point in showing up and snuggling all over and giving us all of
that treat, but your input's still worthwhile. I mean, it's to me it's it's a no-brainer. It's we should do it. The technology is here. We've done it before during CO and it worked. There was nobody that I don't see anything that
was wrong with it. You have a medical exception. If your doctor says medical exception, I don't think you're going to get anybody that's going to show up at your house. It's possible. conceive. So I now there's a lot of cross conversation here and points are
all well taken. Uh I think well I don't know I was I'll stop. So but we do need a motion and a vote to do real one last question. Um will we set what the medical
exception is or is that something that's in the state statute? No, I'm so sorry. Let me rephrase. So, when someone calls you and says they have a medical reason why they want to stay, that would be sufficient. Correct?
Sure. I I have no clue. And at at that point, I'd want to talk to the city attorney about what in defense for that so that we can figure out I'm sorry because we if if someone is going to be virtual and they're coming in from
a location, we have to notify and include that as a part of the public. All I was going to say is in defense of Harry, we got this this morning. So there's a couple emails with the city attorney. So, there's a lot that Harry
doesn't know and let's not blame him for that. This is just, you know, we're kind of drinking from the fire hose on it. Yeah. Did you make a motion? No, there there's not a motion yet. Bart still got the floor and then it Go ahead. No, that's I I I I give the floor to Ed.
Hey, mine's just a simple question just because it came up and you don't know this yet. I will not be able to make it to the next meeting because I'm going to be out of town for family reasons. I don't know if I could dial in if it's virtual because I don't know the schedule. It's not my place to determine the
schedule. So if I I was going to talk to you later. It's my something that would be counted as an say that I will be out of town. Not that it matters, but the reality is what are the rules of engagement? by the
way get in the corner upstairs in the bedroom and get my computer and go on. I'm just asking out of here. She's sounds like she's going to be gone next week. Yeah, Mr. Chair, I would need a minute to pull up her new bylaws because they
did actually before they were based off of excused and unexcused. Give me give me a second to pull up. I to just get get this over with is I'd make a motion that we allow staff to explore the opportunity to have a
virtual meeting and if it's possible, we can meet the requirements, do it. If we can't, well, it's the way it goes. Staff is the is a key word. Yep. Staff is the key word. Okay. Uh, Ed's got the second. I know your intent,
but phrase it that to allow commissioners to attend. Sure. Is that the way you worded it made it sound like it could have? I agree. I knew where you were going. Okay, Harry. Mr. Chair, I think the city attorney in the discussion that I had with him, um,
I think that he asked that you focus on specific dates so that you kind of decide ahead of time that you're going So the the the motion would need to include next to planning commission.
So you're saying the motion needs allow then it's almost like a trial run see how it goes. Sure. That that still meets the you're good with that. two meetings. Yeah. Anybody else want to add another
date on there? Mr. Chair, uh I will just very quickly note so state statute allows up to three of these. Only three. Yes. Okay.
By each member. Oh, three for each member. Tina's using up her two. I still have three in my like a body. Good question. Yeah, that's that's the way that I understand that. Okay. So, I think Steve's motion
everybody understands the intent. Got the second. I I'm I'm not trying to rush it here, but are we ready for a vote? Anybody got anything else? I'll meet at Tina's house in Georgia. I'm going to be in Georgia. Okay. So, I've got the motion. I've got the
second. Are we ready to vote? All those in favor say I. I. I. All those opposed, no. I'm the only no. Okay. Motion carries then 61. We're good. Okay. Um, board and commission, city council staff.
Yeah, Mr. Chair, just super briefly because I know that it's been a longer meeting and we'll probably want to go home, but at the last city council meeting, uh, there were a few items that were brought forward. One of them was the shoreland ordinance that you all voted on at the last plan commission
meeting that sailed through pretty easily. There's a lot of interest in it and making it easier for applicants to submit projects within Shoreland. Uh so that that went through. Uh there was another item for a annexation which annexations uh historically for Farbo
have skipped plan commission gone straight to city council. So I apologize about that. Uh, but it's an it's an annexation on the north side next to the northern industrial park. The kind of little is it that one little farm that we've
been kind of working around for um one of them. Okay. Sort of. So, if you could think of where the future intersection between uh 150th or I think it's Kazad 9 and I35 uh is is is going
to be it's that area right there but on right side or the or the east side of I35 that east side of 35 by Cass so north of Metcon. Yes, it's actually just north of Daikon. Oh, I thought it was
between Metcon and of that. So, it's actually What side of the freeway? Sorry. What side of the freeway? It's on the east side. The east side. Yeah. Okay. So, we're not we're not skipping skipping the interstate to get to the other side yet. Um so, that
actually had its first reading. Uh so, there were no issues with that at that time. Uh it's going for a second reading um at the next city council meeting as well as the shoreland. The other item that went through and this will eventually come in for in front of
planning commission is uh an EAW or environmental assessment worksheet for Archer data centers. So I think back in I want to say it was 2022 or 2023 there's an annexation on the north side of Northern Industrial Park again the
little is it like island that we have on the north side. So, it's just north of that. Um, Archer Data Centers has has bought that property and they want to do up to 500,000 square feet
of data center. And so, because it triggers a EAW, it has to be brought before it's currently going through the 30-day review period. There will be um between now and when it comes to planning commission, it will go to the
environmental commission for review and recommendation. After that, it'll come to planning commission after the 30 days after they've made revisions based off the comments and then eventually Dave, go ahead. One quick comment would
be is is this going to go all the way up to County Road 9? Is it going to affect any future development of County Road 9? Let's ask that question or you don't even have to answer me, but that would be my concern. The Archer Data Centers project. Yes. Uh so that I believe they're utilizing both
sides of that little creek that runs through that property. So yes, I think eventually the idea is to have development kind of on the south side right next to the industrial park and then kind of flip it over to the Cassand because that's where there's a proposed interchange there. That's why
I'm asking the question about County Road 9. Sure. You know, maybe I can bring up the map and then proposed. They spent a lot of money so far already. Uh going rate for a diamond interchange and a freeway is about 40 million and they haven't identified
a can talk an awful lot, but 40 million's the get in. Understand? You never know what happens. Just saying. I see you put in a interchange for a golf course in Austin. So, I think we could eventually get one
here. I don't know if we have it. I don't know what you guys can see. Uh, we got we got the giant fairable logo. We see Oh, there we go. Now something's happening. So, the annexation location. So that's
actually this property right here. Future interchange is going to be right here. Yep. Dyken is just to the south. Yep. Archer data centers. They're wanting to use
this. They've first talked about putting in a building BB2 on the south side and then I believe they eventually want to go up here on the Are we done for the day? For agenda Bart make a motion to
get a motion to adjurnn from Bart. Is there a second? Second. Sam's got a second. All those in favor say I.