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6, we are beginning our planning commission agenda. Uh, first order of business, call to order. >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to amend the um the the agenda to reflect postponing

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to the next meeting as they're incomplete and have some We have a second. Mr. Chair, point of order. So, we're not we're we're sort of not there with approval of the minutes. That is the next item. We're almost making a

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decision on an item that we're not yet reviewing >> the agenda to remove it. That's what he asked me to do. >> I haven't called to order. So you know you could call to order approve the agenda and then I think if

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there is a decision on the minutes then that is where the approval or disapproval or you know taking it to a next meeting that is where that can be done. >> So >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the agenda. >> I'll second.

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>> All in favor say I. >> I. >> All oppose. Same sign. That carries. Item two, approval of the minutes. >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to postpone the approval of the minutes to our next meeting because I think there need

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they're incomplete and need to have some correction. >> Mr. Chair, from staff's point of view, I think that talking about the corrections, I think, is most helpful. And then we can either talk about them as as a as a group to figure out okay

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you know what is what is required in terms of our minutes um or if there are indeed some some some actual errors found within the minutes that's that's something that we can we can address. Uh typically in most meetings where the

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minutes have not been approved or they've been approved with corrections uh the actual corrections have been discussed as as a part of the discussion. So you need a second in order to have the discussion.

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>> There's a motion in this. You just need to have a second to have a discussion. >> Yeah. >> So Mr. Chair, in light of lack of a second, I'd be ready to make a motion. >> Asking me to take

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>> No, I'm there. Lack of second. So there's no motion. So I'm ready to make a motion. I see what you're saying. All right. With no second, we'll go ahead and look for another motion. >> Mr. Chair, I would approve move that we approve the minutes from Monday, June 15th. There's a couple of misspellings,

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including my name, including Sam's name. Uh, but just clean those up before they're finalized, but to So, I would move that we approve the minutes from June 15th with those spelling corrections. I have a second.

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I'm >> Do we have a discussion? >> You know, I just feel like I specifically stated which items of the criteria that I disagreed with and I asked for it to be recognized in the minutes and all it reflects is it says

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that I objected. I voted no because I objected to criteria whatever the numbers were. I gave my notes when I left. So I have to go back and research them if they don't have a recording of them. I specifically asked for the reason because I feel like I need to say

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why I I disagree. It's not in the minutes >> and what I'm understanding on you have to go back and get your notes to find out exactly how clarify what your objective >> it would be. I would have to go back and pull the packet and I could tell you,

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but as I do when I write notes during the meeting before I leave, I hand them off to go into the shred box because I've been told not to keep the notes, right? And that's so I don't have the notes. I can't just rattle off. >> That's all. >> Mr. Chair, if I could I'm sorry, Ed, were you

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>> No, go ahead. Go ahead. And I hate to be this guy, but historically, I just have to say it that I've been doing this long enough. I have seen administrations and staff that have provided seven or eight pages of of of minutes that summarized exactly what

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you're talking about. Commissioner Dachman got the floor and said he was in favor of this because of dot dot dot dot dot. Commissioner Wilson took the floor was opposed to it because of dot dot dot. I've seen those type of minutes. I kind of liked those type of minutes because I thought that was always valuable when it would go forward to the

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mayor. What's happened over time with the change of staff and also uh city attorney advice to keep the minutes as short as humanly possible. That is the trend. That is what these folks have been told that the minutes now reflect

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who was there and what the vote was, who made the motions and that was it. So, and again, Tina, I'm I'm not picking a fight with you, but if you get to put your arguments into the minutes of why you voted against it, I want my arguments in there of why I voted in favor of that's all I'm saying.

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>> It's It's just about if you look at state statute, if you're going to say no, you have to say why. That's all. And I and I and I said I'm I'm saying no because I disagree with criteria 23. I dis I didn't go into all of the discussion. It could have been just the

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numbers quoted because I was the dissenting, right? And I specifically asked and I I didn't go into it during the vote itself. I just labeled the numbers that I disagreed with and I didn't didn't be be labored

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that point. But I mean, it's up to you. I mean, you you can do what you want to do. If it's that's not to be included, then I will accept that. But um >> all right, we'll go ahead and take a vote. All in favor of approving Chuck's

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motion say I. >> I. >> I. >> All oppose. Same sign. >> Nay. >> And carries. Thank you. Item three, public hearing. City staff. Do we have Harry? >> Yes, Mr. Chair.

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>> And just give us one second to move over. Okay. Uh good evening plane commission. So the first item on your uh agenda for the public hearing section uh is this resolution to pro uh approve a variance

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at 1910 Fifth Street Northwest. The owner of the property is Ry's Foods and uh one of the employees of Ry's Foods, Brad Moore, is uh requesting this variance on behalf of the property owner. U again, it's at 1910 Fifth Street Northwest. I'll show you in a

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little bit where exactly that is. It's just behind the HIV along Highway 60. Um and it's a side setback variance for a new addition. Here's where the property approximately is where that red star is. And you can see where I35, Highway 60, and downtown

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are. And then here's the property outlined in yellow. Um, so this sits right behind Hi. It's actually a pretty um industrial area, uh, where it's surrounded by industrial uses.

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The request in front of you is for a variance to the side dart setback. And this would allow a uh 11 foot setback. So a 4 foot encroachment instead of the uh required 15t setback uh for this new

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building addition. Here's the proposed project. Uh I tried my best. There's a lot of different colors on the page, but there's a uh a cyan dotted box around the area where uh they are requesting the variance. So,

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you know, if you were able to sort of zoom in, you would see that it's about 11 foot and 2 in. um staff is suggesting, you know, let's just make it a solid 11 ft in terms of the side setback uh just to accommodate any sort

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of um variance that that may happen with that new building addition. Um you'll see that there's an existing cooler. This cooler was actually done uh quite recently uh and it was approved by variance as well. So that cooler gets, I

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believe, all the way down to 9 feet away from the property line. Uh so this is another two feet out um at a uh minimum. Um here's the building edition. So what this is is that it's a dry storage area.

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Um it does connect with the uh cooler area, the cold storage area. Um, and it does, uh, take this back portion of the existing building that's been there since the 1950s, um, and create more of a a a organizational,

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uh, space so that, you know, you would be able to order uh, things that don't need uh, to be in the cooler, that don't have any uh, concerns attached to them. you know, uh the the business itself makes pizzas, so they might buy, you

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know, thousands of of cardboard cutout pizza circles. Um and so this area would allow them instead of taking up valuable uh area on the production floor or in the cooler, being able to have this in a in a different area outside the elements

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uh but it's not heated or cooled. So in terms of discussion for this variance um it was developed in the 1950s so they are working with an existing building. Um the property itself is is pretty constrained at this point. Um the building is is pretty

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close to the ride ofway. Um, and they have some non-compliant parking that sort of uh sits out in front of the building uh and sort of creates a a very narrow location where people are are able to park in front of the building on the property. Um, the only access to the

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back of the property and making use of that is on the east side or sorry the west side. And so because that's on the west side, there really isn't any location on that west side where they can go. Um, in terms of the rear part of

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the building, they are encroaching a little bit into that rear, but they're only asking for what makes sense in order to um facilitate this this dry storage area. Um, they're not looking to take over much of the land behind this building because they need it for

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maneuvering room and for uh potential parking in the future for their employees. Um on the east side, yes, you know, I can I can understand some some uh concern over taking a uh already

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non-compliant situation, although it was allowed by variance and sort of extending it along that property line. Um however, because of some of these constraints with the existing property, um they need to be able to expand their business. Uh the comprehensive plan does

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talk about trying to support existing businesses in our in our existing industries. Um you know it does it does fit the comprehensive plan view of that. Uh we believe that they have successfully demonstrated that there is a practical difficulty for this property. Um and that what they're

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trying to do is a pretty reasonable use. Uh they're not asking for a super large addition to it. They just want to be able to continue operating where they are. So in summary, we do believe that it meets our comprehensive plan and zoning requirements.

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Uh so we do recommend forwarding this to city council uh which would uh recommend approval of the requested variance based on the criteria and findings and I'm sorry it should be uh resolution. But with that I'm happy to take any

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questions. >> Questions for city staff? >> I have a question. Mhm. >> Um I just I I know that paving parking lots has been pretty important in other notice it talks about

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future placement of an improved parking lot in the northern >> is that something that is going to happen this year next? It's not on the agenda. So, anywhere that there is parking, it

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has to be on an improved surface. Um, the only exception to that is going to be if there's a storage area, which they can do. It is industrial. Um, they do have to meet some criteria for that, but that is something that they can do, but really if we are talking about an actual

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parking lot with, you know, parking spaces, it's got to be on an improved surface. Uh, and they're not asking for a variance from that. >> No, I just Yeah, I was just looking at the variance findings. on to that. I also if you've ever gone to IV to go through the drive-thru for

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>> Oh, yeah. I'm familiar where the building >> so many people have to pull into their parking lot just to >> I just it had mentioned future improvements and I was additional questions. Well, I'm going to open up public input.

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Uh we do have one person here. Uh we're opening up public input. Um if you have anything you'd like to say, please feel free to come up to the mic, state your name and address, and ask your question. Always

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good to see you, John. >> I'm just gonna sit here and watch you guys. >> All right. Well, with that, we're going to close public comment as no one is here for comments and we're going to bring it back for discussion. >> Mr. Chair, I I just have one comment before there's a motion. uh that for

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those that were around for the last round of the comp plan, this particular neighborhood always just I've been through multiple comp plans here. This neighborhood is perhaps the most transitionable.

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Uh there's commercial, light industrial, residential, all within a stones throw of each other. Uh over the years we've had to be very creative in this neighborhood and and you mentioned the H high- turnaround with their drive. I mean even that's kind of odd. Your

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pickup and your drive up kind of go headtohead and it's all because of this the space constraints in that area. Uh so just with with that bit of history on it that we've always had to be creative with variances

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almost a case study of the most complicated land use at Farbo. So I I'm certainly fine with whatever's going on there. Uh also I just want to add on the paved parking. It's something that we I can discuss with staff later, but uh I drove by a recently improved fast food

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operation today that had about a dozen cars parked on the grass behind the building. So, we can talk about that later. Uh but yeah, if we're going to make folks make sure that there is impervious parking for their employees, you know, we're

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enforcing it. And >> Mr. Chair, it is actually a public hearing, not a public comment. I'd like to make a motion to approve the variance. >> A second. Any discussion?

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All in favor say I. >> I. >> All oppose. Same sign. Measure passes. 3B. Calvary Hill Commins through 3105 Highway 60 West. >> Mr. Chair, uh good evening uh planning

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commission. So, this is a item that we intended to take to this meeting. Uh however there was a uh small miscommunication on on staff's end and we would like to make sure that the planning or sorry the uh parks and

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recreation advisory board makes a recommendation on parks parkland dedication or parks fees for this project before we get in front of planning commission. uh the applicant has very graciously said yes, you know,

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that's that's fine. We can wait another two weeks. He's been waiting a year to get this project through anyway. So, um so I guess the recommendation that I have for you tonight is that you uh continue discussion on this item to the

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next uh planning commission meeting. >> Do we have a motion? Make >> a motion delay. That's your turn for the next All right, we have a first and a second. Do we have any discussion? All in favor say I. I.

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>> I. >> All oppose, same sign. Measure carries for two weeks from now. Uh item four, request to be heard. >> Uh Mr. Chair, for items four through

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six, we do not have any um any items for those. Do we have any for him? I guess we just have adjournment. Do we have >> We don't Oh, number seven, boards and commissions up.

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>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. I thought you put seven in there. Any boards and updates? >> Uh yes, Mr. Chair. So, um Leslie actually took the uh last item that you all looked at, Farbo Town Homes, to uh city council. Uh, and I believe that

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they all passed. I think it was unanimous. Um, in terms of the items, um, we will at some point work on a developers agreement. Uh, however, that's not anything that gets approved at planning commission. We would just go straight to

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city council with that. Um, I'm don't recall what the timeline is on the project. Yeah. So in terms of the project, it's not going to start tomorrow. Uh but uh it it did receive its approvals. So we

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are working on it. >> An adjournment. >> I'd like to make a motion to adjourn. >> We have a second. >> I'll second. Dad's got the second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> All oppose. Same sign.