Hey, hey, hey. All right, we'll call the meeting to order. On behalf of the planning commission, I'd like to welcome our residents and viewers to this regular meeting of May 13, 2025. On tonight's agenda, we have one public
hearing and we have three discussion items. Uh before we get into our agenda, we have a housekeeping item and that would be the minutes from our regular meeting of April 8th, 2025. Are there any additions or corrections to those minutes? If not, is there a motion? I'll
make a motion. We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Motion and second. All in favor say I. I. The minutes are approved. move into a public hearings. With that then, this is a conditional use permit for CrossFit Calypso. Um the applicant has requested
that this application be withdrawn. So with that then I'd look for a motion to close a public hearing. Motion to close. We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Motion and second. Call the role, please. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
With that then I'd look for a motion to withdraw the conditional use permit for CrossFit Calypso. Is there a motion? Motion to withdraw. We have a motion for withdrawal. Is there a second? Second. Motion and second. Any more discussion? If not, call the role, please. Yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Yes. All right, we'll move into our discussion items. The first discussion item is a site plan review for a commercial daycare at 4640 Kudson Drive. The applicant is Insight Development. And Jared, you're going to take this. Yes. Thank you, chair, plan
commission members. Uh the request before you tonight is uh for a site plan review uh for proposed construction of a single level um 10,000 foot commercial daycare to be located at 46 uh 40 Canudson Drive. Uh the
applicant is insight development. Uh currently this property is zoned uh Spruce Street mixed use with the Spruce Street uh over in the Spruce Street Overlay district. Um commercial daycarees are permitted use in this district. Uh the 2040 comp plan designates this property for commercial.
Um and currently it is uh 1.37 acres of vacant land um platted as lot three of the Vermillion River Crossings development. Um as the commission may be aware uh back in October of 2024, the same applicant um received a front yard
setback variance uh for proposed building or daycare building be located at this site. Um, I'll get into that um more as we move on into the actual uh site specifics as well. So, up here is the site plan um and the bulk and density standards proposed. Uh the proposed site plan here
on the right uh meets all of the bulk and density standards besides that front yard setback um requirement um in the spruce street mixeduse zoning district. Uh this requirement is at least 50% of the building front must be within 20 ft of the public rightway. Uh this is a
variance they um got approved for back in October to have 0% of the building front be within 20 ft. Uh there were kind of two main reasons for that variance that they requested um was so they can fit two access drives to the north there off Kudson Drive um and ensure you know circulation within the
parking lot and to ensure that the playground um stays within the back of the building and wouldn't be um adjacent to the parking lot or uh Kudson Drive. Um, so getting to more specifics of the site plan, uh, there's three main components of it. You have a Kusen drive
here to the north. There's two access drives on each end of the site, um, going directly into the parking lot, uh, for circulation. The building itself is set back towards the center of the site, and then you have the playground to the rear, um, a fence playground to the rear
of the site. So, some site details. As I mentioned, there's two access points off Kusen Drive uh to provide for parking lot circulation. Um, as far as parking goes, city code requires uh one space per employee on maximum work shift plus one
space per 10 children. Uh, 22 employees max are proposed with around 150 children. Uh, this would require 37 parking spaces. Um, they are proposing 41. So, they are exceeding this requirement. Uh they did submit an exterior lighting plan. Um they're
showing two uh exterior um or two uh dual mounted light poles proposed for the parking lot on each end over here. Um the western light on their um uh lighting plan shows uh a
spill light of 1.6 ft candles on the western side property line here. um per our exterior lighting code um on the property line on the west side there, it cannot go over a maximum of one. Um so as a condition of approval um we are
asking the applicant submit at building permit time that they revise the lighting plan to make sure that they're meeting that threshold. Uh they did provide a landscaping plan. Now the landscaping plan um shows a combination of trees and shrubs to be planted along the exterior um property lines as well within the parking medians and as well
in front of the building. Uh there's a roughly a 9,000 square foot fence playground here located uh to the south of the building um denoted in this darker gray area. Um the playground is proposed to be separated in different age groups. There's also a trash
enclosure um proposed on the southeast corner of the parking lot. um the park, the trash closure and the playground. Um more specific details on the fencing um and then the fencing of the trash enclosure itself will be reviewed at time of building permit and
will um staff will in or this is included as a condition of approval um to make sure that um those requirements are met at that time. And as far as storm water goes, storm water runoff will be drained into the existing um storm water pond that is located uh to
the east of the site. um back when um this development was first put in, this pond was sized to accommodate any future development on this site. Um so it's fully adequate uh to accommodate any runoff uh from this
site. So proposed elevations um and or exterior uh materials uh for the building uh the materials are considered of a synthetic stucco, a concrete base, brake metal trim, and asphalt roof. Um and you'll note it is a single level um
facility but on the ex or the front exterior they are including some false facade windows um to just give that upper level appearance on it but is a singlestory uh facility. The action requested for you guys tonight um is to approve the proposed site plan condition on the
following. Uh one is that all necessary building permits are obtained. Two um any signed permits are obtained. Uh three, satisfaction of any outstanding engineering comments and requirements. Uh four, final architectural details for the trash enclosure and playground
fencing shall be included um at the time of building permit submitt. And then lastly, a revised uh photometrics plan shall be submitted at the time of building permit submitt showing a spill light maximum of one foot candle on the western side property line. And we do
have uh reps from Insight here too if you have any questions for them. Thank you, Jared. Well done. There are representatives from the applicant. Mr. Armani, did you have anything to add or anybody of your staff have anything to add? Yeah. Thank you, Jared. Um, I thank you
guys, everyone, for being here. Jared did mention quite a bit of everything that I was going to say, but you know, I'll keep it brief. Um, so I'm a licensed architect. My name is Cyrus Amani with Insight. I'm also a project manager for them. Uh, Insight is a national developer of commercial and industrial real estate throughout the
country. Uh I'm myself I'm on the commercial team and we have been focused on daycare development the last four years or so because we see a growing demand for that in the market specifically in the Twin Cities market. This is our fourth development in about two years. Um and as Jared mentioned we
are platted as lot two block three of the Vermillion River Crossing development. Proper address is 4640 Kudson Drive. Uh we are proposing a roughly 10,000 square foot commercial daycare permitted by Wright. The site plan has been designed to conform with
city standards um except for that variance that was approved in October of 2024. So in summary, we're excited about this project and we hope to have you guys' support. I'm here to answer any questions you may have. We appreciate it. Mr. Romani, if you could stay available for questions. Um this isn't a
public hearing. We have several or at least one person. Do you have any comments regarding uh this final plat? Okay, Commissioner Chesky. Yeah. Um I think this looks good. Thank you. Um I just want to say this is a very it's a growing community, so I think the community will embrace this and it's
it's welcome to see another daycare option in the community. So great job and thank you. Commissioner Winshle, do we know the name of the daycare or is that uh I'm not allowed to disclose that at this time. All right.
Um, just a question back on the the fencing for the playground. Does that fence it goes all the way around the back part of the playground? Does it connect to the building then? Uh, it does not connect to the building, but or actually it does. Yes, it goes all the way around. Um, it's going to be
a um kind of like a rod iron fence, but those details are still in progress. Where is it going to connect? I can I can Okay. Is it going all the way out to the front to connect or is it I do not believe it's going all the way up to the front.
I know it's hard to see. Kind of hard to see, but yeah, there's the gate. Yeah. Right at the two front corners here. So, it is proposed to surround. So there'll be concrete blocks on each side
because I see the gate on the east side there, but I just don't see one on the the west side. The west side there. Uh it's it's covered up by a dimension, but there there will be a gate on both sides. A little opening above this dimension by the access parking. Okay. You can see a little flap. Sure.
Okay. No, other than that, it looks good. Thank you, Mr. Schmack. No, it looks it looks good. Thanks for your time and it's all I got. Thank you, Commissioner Berg. Um, the only question I have and Jared, this is probably more for you is around traffic. Thinking
about the flow in and out of out of the building. Um, that's a pretty busy street at certain times of the day, certainly in the morning. I know I drive by there every every morning. and the amount of traffic going to to McDonald's and the doctor's office there is is has there been any concern or study around
the traffic flow and the in-n-out because there's only one in and out there. Sure. Um engineering and fire have um looked at it and signed off on it. So, um we should be all good to go on that front and no concerns for traffic. Great. That was my only
question. Other than that, looks great. All right. Thank you. You know, I had a similar question of Commissioner Winshuttle is, you know, and part of this I know you're a prep company. You know, you kind of do the engineering design and get it ready for the the company. Our residents, our
viewers, you know, they kind of want to say, "Okay, who is it? I you know, I might be interested or I will be interested, but I need to know more." So, some of our questions are trying to get at that. So, I know you can't release the name. Um but I suspect you know the timing of the project if it
upon approval of the city you know when you're planning to start and finish. Yeah we are anticipating construction I believe in August with an eight-month construction duration. Um so that would put us at about May next year of completing construction. Yeah. So this time next
year the the parents could start enrolling their uh their children and possibly Yeah. Possibly earlier. I'm not exactly sure on the, you know, the specifics of when to enroll kids, but yes, u if all goes to plan, we will be wrapped up hopefully before May. And I want to tell you it's a beautiful
building. I think you're going to do a nice job. As uh Christa mentioned, it's a need that this community has now and and we'll have even more so in the future. Um some of my questions are from a and I'm not a parent, you can tell,
but um like the playground, what do you know what the base will be? What will the kids be playing on? Yeah. So, we have a synthetic turf surface. Okay. Um and then you can see in the kind of circular portion of the playground is a tricycle path. So, that'll be concrete,
but most of it is a synthetic. So, then for inclement weather days, you have room inside where they're going to be able to get rid of some of their energy. Yes. Correct. We do. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's necessary. I got to believe. I totally agree. Um, and then something that you know I know parents
may be wondering, will there be and you and I suspect you know the company and you hopefully you know the background of who you're doing business for. Do you know if they have some sort of educational service plan or what what they do for their uh young children at different ages? Yeah, they certainly do
have a curriculum. Um, you know, I think it's it's very focused on kind of the high-end getting those kids ready for um kindergare or sorry um getting those kids ready for u kindergarten and onward in school and their education. Um so
they certainly do have a curriculum that's kind of tailored to what they're trying to do in their okay their morals and and their um the way they like to tailor their curriculum. Oh, perfect. Yeah. You know, I again I it's a great looking building. I want to welcome you to this community and the future company
that's that's going to have the name up on the sign. Um we appreciate it. And uh I have no other comments or questions other than I fully support this and with that then we have we'll have a recommendation uh to our city council and Jared listed five contingencies that
I agree with. Do you agree with all those contingencies that staff has prepared? Just uh just to um just to clarify this would be approved by the planning commission. No recommendation would be needed. Sounds good. We'll take it ourselves then. Um do you agree
though with all the contingencies the staff has recommended? Yeah, certainly you do. Okay. With that then I'll look for a motion. I'll make a motion. We have a motion for approval of the proposed site plan for a commercial daycare at 4640 Kudson Drive with the
five contingencies agreed on from the applicant. Is there a second? Second. Motion and second. Any more discussion? If not, call the roll, please. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Before we get
into the next one, I'm going to ask um that's it. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you. All right. Um sir, are you with Vita? Okay. Um, and the commission talked briefly about it. You know, I think what we're
going to do, Tony, just because uh we want to make sure that, you know, we give opportunity for John to come is with the commission's permission. Do you want to move to the last discussion item? Is that acceptable? Yes. And we'll see if he shows up. Then this is a uh a
zoning amendment request from Miss Barb Acriman, Pilot Properties, 5465 212 Street West. Yeah, thank you uh Mr. Chair, commission members. Uh yes, uh Miss Barbara Acriman had contacted me
uh about a week or so ago. She's the owner of 5465 212th Street West. Um so right at the northeast intersection of Pilot Knob Road and County Road 50. Uh the property consists of three uh separate buildings uh that she leases to
various businesses, one of which is currently uh vacant. Um the property is zoned MUCI which is our mixeduse commercial industrial um which I included all of that that entire code in your memo for your
reference. Um, Miss Acriman does have a prospective tenant uh that would like to lease space in one of those uh buildings um for specifically auto restoration and collision repair. Uh this type of use would fall under the city zoning definition of
major auto repair uh which is general repair, rebuilding, reconditioning of engines, motor vehicles or trailers including bodywork, framework, welding and major painting services. Currently, auto repair major is neither a permitted or conditional use within
that specific zoning district. Uh to allow that prospective tenant to occupy existing building at that location, it would require amendment to the zoning uh district um to include that specific use either as a permitted or conditional
use. Do want to note that under the current code provisions, major auto repair is conditionally allowed in three zoning districts. Those being the B2, which is our downtown business, B3 general business, and our spruce street mixed
use, which uh in particular must be that use must be confined within the interior of a principal building. Um, as the commission may or may not be aware, a handful of years ago, we had a fairly
substantial discussion on um, auto related businesses. So, those being auto sales and auto repair, both major and minor. Um, and through that discussion, it was determined that we would limit where we would place those uses. Um, and
the the districts that are listed in your memo are what we came upon, right? Um, just wanted to make you aware that that was a intended change that we made
um, based off of some past uses that had popped up. Um, wanted to bring this to the commission, get your opinion on it. Um, I did not promise anything to Miss Acriman at this point in time. Um, but wanted to have that discussion whether
or not the commission felt reasonable um to change the code to allow that use. Um, keep in mind that if we do change and add that use, it not only affects this property, but every other property
that's zoned and guided MUCI. So Tony was kind. It was a little more than just a a small discussion of other sites. I can attest to that and I'm sure a couple of others can too. Uh Phil, what do you think?
That's a good question. What's the What's there now? Like what type of business? Uh one of the the the building that was up front used to be a tax preparation. um office building and then the two pole buildings
if you will have been used mainly for storage is the main building I think isn't that where JTN communications is I think they are in one of those I think they're in the front building I believe so internet providing
you know and after all the discussion we had on the previous topic yeah I guess I would say leave it the way it is um you know just based on the previous conversations and topic that we had and the
problem. Yep. Mitch, what do you think? Uh did Miss Aman talk about attending today? Kind of give some insights on it or was she unable to attend the meeting? She I believe lives in Arizona. Okay. Um so it's hard for her. I I think she was
here about a week or so ago for other things. Um I do believe she's back in Arizona though. So yeah, I mean it's it changing in the zoning might change a lot of different properties in in
Farmington. So I hesitate to make a sweeping change um for this specific um placement of that um business. So, yeah, I hesitate to make a big change on that and um I would have liked to pick her brain a little bit and and see where she
she's coming from, but uh yeah, I kind of feel like we should kind of stick with the previous discussions of what you guys had because there's purpose behind that. Um so, that's all I have. Andy? Yeah, I'm kind of along the same lines as Mitch, especially given what's
happened in the past year around MUCI property. I think it's probably prudent and wise for us to tread real lightly with any change to MUCI properties. Um, so I would personally I'd probably have some hesitation about making a a change
to include something like this. Christa, yeah, I would agree with as the others have stated. I mean, we it's been a sensitive topic for a while and so to to change it now doesn't make sense to me. Um, you know, the current
co-provisions are there for reasons. So and and I agree with the other commissioners and I will take it to the uh standard itself and that if you look at the uses whether they be uh permitted or well are they all let me
see well they're all anyway the permitted uses this does not match those. it it kind of stands out being very unique and being much more heavily type of not I don't want to use
the word industrial but but um just doesn't fit with those uses that are currently in here. Um so for that reason I would um recommend that we do not add um this use to this district at this
time. Tony, what do you need any formal action or do you got to me it's the consensus of this commission that not at this time. Yeah, I don't need a formal formal I don't need a formal motion. I I've got a a feel for what the commission Okay. Then I'm going to go
back then to the previous uh topic on our agenda and we've been pretty consistent about um you know if we don't have a representative to answer our questions or the residents questions that may be interested that we've been delaying
them. What is your opinion on the one that we have on our left on our agenda? It's a final plat. Um well that has been the commission's recent um process.
Um both of the plats are fairly in my mind fairly straightforward. Um albeit the fourth edition does have some bigger things like the extension of pilot knob um which was part of the original
development agreement for that plat um that that extension be done as part of their final phase which this is their final phase. Um the road uh way uh that's proposed
meets county and city guidelines. Um we're working with a consultant on the uh relocation and repurposing of the street lights. Um so that will all be done as part of this overall project as well.
Um overall the overall layout meets what the preliminary plat was. um previously both the town homes and the um single family lots. Um so but really it's up to the commission if you feel comfortable or not. I agree. I understand that. I
just wanted to get your opinion before I asked the commissioners what their dors are. Um again, we did one just a few months ago or that we just said, you know, we're going to delay it. What are your thoughts, commission? And I'm not looking at anyone specific, but anybody
has anybody got any reason one way or the other why you we should handle it tonight or set it for our next meeting? Well, I think consistency is key. You know, I think, you know, we've
liked the party to be here, you know, the developer, whoever it is, you know, to ask questions. Yeah. Um, so I I I don't see a reason to deviate from what we've done in the past. I agree. It's hard to pick and choose if you start doing that too. And that's what you know that's Yeah, that's and that's going to
be their argument is picking and choosing on what Yeah. What's the timeline like? I mean, do you have idea what they're Well, they would like to start construction yet this summer. So, because that road is a big big question,
you know. I was going to say given the impact pilot knob, I Yeah. Are they, you know, do you know is the road going first? Are they doing that first versus to get in? Well, it would be all part of that overall construction. So, they'll do it all in tandem.
Well, I'm just wondering even for the purpose of devel making doing the development like so are they going to have pilot opro done into the development to for all the construction vehicles or likely not. No. Yeah. So these are questions that we
could ask the developer, you know, which I mean that's attached to phase four, isn't it? If I remember right, it is correct. Yep. So I mean, and then phase five is the town homes, the 16 town homes. So, you know, so I I'm still guys, you know, we
I I think we got to be consistent. I really do. I feel bad for cuz the individual who Tony you thought might be here is had a lot of our meetings. Yeah. He's been at the last meeting. Yeah. So, I mean, I maybe forgot maybe or maybe
just had had something else going on. I I don't know. Well, I'll kind of tag on to what Phil was going with there if with the daycare being approved with all the construction already going on in Duchaine with with Spruce being shut down and if they're going to start this with with Pilot Knob and everything,
too. That's a whole lot of construction traffic in a pretty small area there, too. timing. Yeah, it's and you know the internal parts of the Vita TV out there fairly often. Um but it's it's the pilot knob. It's the uh the spruce street.
It's everything else when and timing and all that. So, you know, I'm hearing Mitch, what are your thoughts? I agree totally. Okay, Christa, I would agree. I just think we need We have a consensus and uh Tony, what kind of motion would you like to do on this? Is it just motion to table? Okay. Is there a motion
to table? Um, let me find this one. Final plativa at South Creek fourth and fifth editions to our next regular meeting. I'll make the motion to take Have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Motion and second. Call the roll, please. Snowback. Yes. Berg, yes.
Windshadow, yes. Tesy, yes. Doesn't get that time. It's okay. Dirk doesn't get to vote on that one. All right. Anything else from staff? I have nothing, sir. Anything else from the commission? No. If not, I'll remind our uh residents and viewers our next regular meeting is June 10th, I believe.
And with that, I'd look for a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Motion and second. All in favor say I. I. We're officially adjourned. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Heat. Heat.