calling this meeting to order please rise as a FL indice this meeting is called for St of the open public law meeting March 1025 was included in the list me sent to the Hun County Democrats on January 6 2025
posted on the boting board at gr Hall on the date and has remained continuously posted as required in addition a copy of the notice is and has been available to the public is a file in the office of the B cler can I please or councilman Aris here councilwoman anglehart here
councilwoman P here counc L here Council vice president R here council president Parker here here thank you uh starting off the proclamation as of for March 2025 is developmental disabilities Awareness
Month ccil vice president would you it sure thank you proclaiming march 2025 as developmental disabilities awar mon where as developmental disabilities manifest during the developmental years of life for the age of 22 and our lifelong duration resulting in the
continuent need for a variety of services designed to support full collusion in community life and whereas it is estimated that approximately 2% of the United States population has an in to developmental disability which translates to approximately 170,000
children and adults in new and whereas the New Jersey Departments of Human Services health education Children and Families work with hundreds of partner organizations agencies and individuals throughout the state to provide services to New Jersey residents with developmental disabilities and where
estimated that more than 30,000 direct support professionals Provide support for individuals with intellectual developmental disabilities whether with their family a group home supervised department or developmental centers as well as providing support to individuals in employment and dat programs and
whereas the Department of Human Services through its division of Developmental Disabilities offers services for adults aged 21 and older through the Community Care Program and the supports program which operate with both federal and state funding contributions to enhance the resources available to individuals with intellectual and developmental
disabilities and whereas New Jersey system of services and supports has grown and evolved through its partnership with individuals who have intellectual and developmental disabilities their family members and the community based service providers that deliver the direct support necessary for State citizens with
intellectual and developmental disabilities to thrive and whereas the efforts of Disability Advocates related professionals and our New Jersey state legislates and Leadership continue to keep the needs of disability dis ability community at the Forefront of the state's concerns and whereas our Administration will advance initiatives
to promote quality services and supports and increase community living and employment opportunities for adults with an intellectual and developmental disabilities um now therefore mayor and Council uh Proclaim March 25th as developmental disabilities awareness
month in New Jersey thanks thank you so much vice president thank you uh we have a presentation um tonight by our tax assessor Ed Kerwin um to discuss all things tax assessment how it
works um how it affects your tax rate and uh what's happening the values of properties in Flemington um this is going to be lengthy so please feel free to go outside if you want the restroom if you need to
um some all yours Ed whenever you're I'm well how are you good just so the council knows regardless of uh how long this goes tonight has a par stop at 8:05 p.m. because we have to be in another municipality to do the
same in another County [Music] great that our CFO Hans is joining Dynamic so because everything it does directly affects everything this h [Music]
first by like to introduce my assistant Nico field inspections and you see walking around town from home to home and doing inspections Nicole a uh working with me and Warren as got her
CTA about year ago year two years ago two years that two years ago and she's also the assessor in West dwell uh Delaware I stopped it so thank you thank you make sure that you use the
microphone because otherwise people who are San cat here yes may the can you hear me the handout that I uh is a comparison of the 20 24 ratables to the new ratables of
2025 ratables meaning the assess values in the town um the if you look at the chart there there are different categories on the left side vacant land uh which is considered class one if
you hear me say class one it means vacant land residential is class two we don't have any farms in in blomington but uh commercial there are three classes there are the 4A 4 a properties
are retail um offices gas stations funeral homes um uh shopping centers
uh the um and any fast food restaurants restaurants basically the downtown is class or properties oh and I have to go back to the residential residential class two are one families two families three
families and four families and they're that's what the is in the class the types of property that are in the class two category the 4B is our uh indust industrial properties that we have in
town um and the 4C are Apartments we have eight large seven large apartments and one U four family with a single family on it which makes it a brand it makes it
a a class 4C so starting with class one uh there are 30 vacant Lots in town in 2024 they were assessed for 3,
338,000 and in 2025 total assessment is 3, 4961 with an increase in value of 157,00 the percent change from 2024 to 2025 is
4.51% residentials there are 859 Residential Properties in 2024 they were set that total of 291 m243 22537
m686 300 uh which reflects an increase of 26,4 182000 of 8.34 8.34% change if you look down towards
the csw commercial the 4A there are 222 commercial properties assessed in 24 at 210,211 and in 2025 it increased to
223,00 for increase of 13,725 a 6.13% increase the 4bs are uh two four two properties which are
4bs um assessed 2,062 uh 262,000 and in 2025 they're assessed at 2, 296,000 for an increase of 234,000 or
10.19% the apartments um there are eight Apartments the uh total assessment in 2024 was 72,5 7,200 and in
2025 uh the assessment is 700 7 m 74 mil3 93,9 with an increase of 2,333 700 which is a 3.22% increase uh while we're on that the
reason that assessment is so is not in line with the other increases we had a tax appeal that was filed in 2023 uh and 2024 on acrel uh which is uh apartment building
in town and I was when I was uh discussing this with the uh attorney and their and the and the property owners uh expert we they uh withdrew the appeal for 2023 and
2024 for a 6.3% decrease in their assessment for 2025 and in 2026 um I can adjust that assessment uh based on my opinion I'm not tied into anything for
2026 so what we the reason I I I negotiated that was because uh we were able to withdraw two years of appeals and a small reduction for
2025 and it gave me the ability to U make changes in the future on 26 27 and 28 um and it was I believe nominal legal fees from the town so we didn't it didn't cost us a lot to uh handle that
appeal we do have another appeal we're speaking about it which is the bank that's in the shopping center where Staples is and I'm think i' that's been on for four or five years now and I kind of held my ground and finally sold I believe to a
restaurant for over a million dollars and uh I think they're going to withow that appeal so that's the uh this is the out parcel Yes sold to a restaurant okay that's what I believe that I haven't been able to contact the new owners but
the rumor is that I have this it's for a restaurant of some type um so getting back to our totals this is these are our total ratable base when people talk about the total ratable base there are 1,121 properties in
town the assessment for 2025 was 579,000 and the 25 2025 assessment now is 622 m324 4,500 for an increase in the rateable base of 42,900
uh basically increasing our rateable Base by 6.9% Ed can I ask you a question you do a lot of municipalities in around 120 how does that compare to other places that you see is it well in in 100 I
don't I I'm not an assessor in any other towns um to westwell but didn't do it for two years so they're higher so um yes she wish West anell hadn't been doing any reassessing so they she took over the
reassessing of West Amwell this year and hadn't been done for a few years so their percentage is a little higher than ours last year I can say that the averages were around five five and a half somewhere maybe the height maybe 5'8 where this year ours is
6.9 and it's because the basically because the assessments the market so hot hot um okay I mean I I'll talk about that now real F the our values by the way went on the bottom before I do that our the average
assess value went from 34,1 192 which is the bottom um calculation and above that it's now 371,000 talking about the upward Market the there are
approximately uh there were approximately 30 residential homes class two homes that sold in 2024 uh and right now there is only approximately six homes for sale so there's a limited Supply and
over an abundant demand um to move to Flemington U but there's only six properties in the whole town so uh the realators are sitting home not making a lot of money at this moment they're waiting for more homes to come on the market but you know you you did
that exercise for us last year regarding how many rentals we have versus how many residential homes we have and we only have I think it was uh 63% of all properties in the buau that are for people to live in are apartments and so
we have like less than well less than 40% of our homes here are single family homes we don't have a lot of inventory of single family homes we have an overabundance of Apartments yeah yes I mean and the market there is kind of interesting mayor I did a look back for
three years since January 1st 2022 to December 31st 2024 in the commercial Market um which is the class 4A in there with retails and um multifamilies and single and uh
multifam over five but they're mostly commercial properties that's sold stores Banks those homes of those commercial properties over that three-year period we had 33 sales averaging about 11 per
year and right now there is 17 commercial properties on the market for sale so commercial Market is very active compared to what it was I've been here for over 30 years and we've had times we didn't have any commercial sales and
now they're starting to um sell um people I believe waiting we're waiting for development to commence and potential buyers came in and saw what's happening and I think that's what's happening in our commercial Market is
that the long-term long long the property owners that have owned the property for the long term are now selling um and moving um didn't want to mention something
about because you might get people grabbing your arm in the supermarket or down downtown at lunch or um during uh Governor Christie's Administration in two 2018 and Governor
Murphy's uh during his administration in 2021 the U building permits there's statutes that were uh written where building permits are not required for new roofs new exterior siding new windows new kitchens and bathrooms
provided you you don't move the remove the plumbing um Etc there's other things too uh like flooring you can put new flooring hardwood floors down or or floors in tile floors you don't need permits as long as you don't touch the
plumbing electrical um part you know the of the home furnaces air conditioners Etc but as a result of the reassessment inspections um that we do and the realtor MLS my office has been able to
assess some of these improvements without uh that were made without required building permits um if we for years we would get these building permits in from the building department we go out and do the inspections now but these kind of items we don't receive
them so it's sort of the mls's when they come out I can read the MLS click on the pictures take a look at it Nicole and I will be out looking at homes knocking on the doors not saying we get into every home um but uh you know that's how we
find this and so therefore assessment increases in these properties that I'm talking about that didn't have permits that we find are greater than the typical neighborhood the typical neighborhoods are 7 8 9% increases and
some of these properties that we experience finding not as much as 35% increases so there are going to be some people that are upset um and we find that's how we find out about these
things is from our inspections and and the mls's and and sometimes by Word of Mouth I'll stop at a home and someone will say my assessment is too high and I'll say why why is that because the neighbor across the street rid their kitchens and bathrooms and they they're
assess the same as I am I like oh really so that does happen um and other than that I um and how often do you do our Assessments in this town uh you mean inspections are
assessment how often do you update the values once every once every year so now we're starting so I know we're one of the few municipalities that do it annually yes which kind of prevents that I know that um like Barett Township does
it like every five years so when they get their reassessed values there's a major shock factor in Anger there because homeowners are suddenly hit with massive increases um I thought we broke it up a third a third a third the that's the
inspections actually the inspections wor there there they may be became uh once every then they became once every 5 years once every excuse me once every four years and now they've made them
once every five years so at the end of five years we've gone to every home in the town we kind of speeded them up a little bit so we're a little more more like four and a half years we've gone to every home uh but that's one of the
requirements that we have to perform in order to be approved of an annual reassessing vision and uh it just it's not a perfect world but it's better than doing nothing than letting the assessments go and not doing anything where you can at least
try to keep them up as fast as possible uh you know as as as the year goes by we actually finished last week or two weeks ago and we're starting to uh collect data now and our we we have
books of multiple listings the homes that are for sale um lease information data we transfer some of it up from last year to this year but we create our books again and we just start studying the market and see what's going on and running reports and
sales um and we analyze our reassessments by neighborhood so there's it's not just a global increase we look at the the the burrow as different neighborhoods and try to adjust those accordingly some times we have to break
that neighborhood up because we find that half that neighborhood let's say for an example is experience a higher sales than the other half so I'll break it up into two two more um neighborhoods
uh it's and neighborhoods are based on location property style types of homes um just as you drive keep down the state so do I and I look at it say okay this is one neighborhood this is another neighborhood it's just where you draw
the line is the hard part you know and trying to figure out where that line is drawn and then we make this is called Mass appraisal so then we make Global assessments to those neighborhoods so it's not making an adjustment one by one by one we're
adjusting those neighborhoods by um land value and building value and then we go on to the next neighbor neighborhood and do it again and again and then once we're finish them we review it again but uh and commercials I do one by one each
one I do individually because there's really not too many buildings that are similar you know they're alike you know they're all kind of different they have different tenants they have uh and tenants make a big difference in in the
factor tenant you have you know whether you have you know the type of rent that the ten is paying is it a Class A B or tenant that you might have in your building um so I mean one of the highest rents we
have in town are is probably the uh the dental place on Route 31 um and the citymd citymd I think they're paying $50 a square foot in rent oh that's high
that's higher than anywhere and gr New York City that came here I don't think they no offense but I don't think they did their homework but they it's probably close I mean $450 because that's a premium location you know where that's
at uh other than that um oh the two commercial industrial properties um that you see on this list here just the class
4B um mechanical prision and Ja Global are the two uh industrial properties we have in town um and then of course everyone knows that clest for off building
apartments are properties like Clemington arms hunon Hills Clemington Gardens Clemington arms Regional Court Prospect and Madison arms are all our apartment buildings in town and then there's one on uh one on a
26 read my own writing Grant where there's a four family and a single family um that's about it okay um B you want to do
like a brief explanation about how these valuations and tie into tax rates sure so out later this is like the previous budget so you'll see
um on page like eight you'll see the the to we take the total uh budget which our total budget this year is 8,767 th000 and then we subtract out all the local revenues which are things like
court fees on investments construction code fees food licenses all that kind of stuff so you subtract all that out and that leaves what needs to be built to taxes so you take that amount divided by
the total assess value which Ed gets gives us and that's where you come up with the the tax rate per 100,000 of assessed value understand [Music]
that can you say it one more time that's okay one more time so with our budget you take the total budget and you subtract out all of the local revenues which are the things like the court fees uh construction code
fees food licenses uh delinquent taxes um our cannabis Revenue all that kind of stuff that leaves the amount that has to get build um through taxation so for this year that amount is
like H 6.5 million so you take that 6.5 million divided by the 622 million 3245 that Ed gave you which is the assessed value of the entire town and that gives us the tax
rate so that's the amount that has to be raised by taxes you don't have another source like court fees right or grants or anything like that so okay all right so um any questions about
not about the budget for all of you who are not bored yet you can say for the entire meeting in here about our budget tonight um I'll start far in Trent any questions for Ed not thank you Adrian no questions at this moment council
president no I'm good um yeah Ed you mentioned that there was one class 4C property that um had had an appeal which one was that you had mentioned it but they didn't recognize
name I don't recognize that name uh it's located off of uh uhal it's um Regional Regional Court area it's thank thank you I go by the owner's name
IDE I understand I just don't by that any other questions actually yes uh done this several years now um each year I remember we would get um a list of the ratables
like the top you do like a top 10 yes yeah that's helpful was do do you recall what our top one or two was not off the top of my head but I will provide those to that's the next thing I have to provide okay I
was cuen if it shifted because I remember it was one of the apartment complex was like shop I don't know if anything shifted yeah there's going to be a shift the regional coming coming down technically that it went
to it uh was milon 396,000 and now it's successed at 69 okay I just for clarification purposes the um buildings in this town
do not pay taxes all of the county facilities the school all the churches and other 501 if3 notps are they in this amount of money that you presented today they're not included at all no they
don't that this is only taxable property okay I can provide you with the assessment of those but they but they're not used in calculation of the flection of taxes I think we'd like to get you know that number at some point I mean because what's important for the council
to really um appreciate is that we have a enormous amount of public properties in this town that don't pay taxes but the residents and the taxpayers commercial buildings
make up for all of that or police protection and fire protection and Roads and everything else that go in taxes and we host a lot of facilities here um that are non- tax paying but enjoy all of the
public services that taxpayers provide last year was 66 million6 million 11.43% did not collect taxes from and it was 11.4 43% of the I'd be interested seeing what that like I'm hard like in
black and light but what I can do is put the where the Farms is I'll delete those and I'll put them in there you go right yeah host host bosses I'll keep this here but I RIS it I had one more question um last year we
talked a little bit when you were here about um properties that um are not functioning anymore but are taxable or they you know they were non for-profit but now they're not um and I
think you had said I mean I think that's you said that with your regular kind of um assessment each year that changes there was I don't want to I don't want to discuss particular properties but can you just tell me how you go about that
process and um if there you know kind of a a similar kind of peny backing off of what Mara said there's not only non for profits and County and and but there's also buildings that aren't paying taxes right now that I think are eligible to
pay taxes there there are what what happens is that the property owner will file uh further statements and and and paperwork that uh shows that they're are
an exempt organization and that they qualify um for an exemption on the property because they're nonprofit uh how once we get that paperwork it it's a it's uh indicates
that know first step we we may be making that uh class 15 and that's what you're going to see on these exams they all different kinds of 15s a c d go all way down to GF whatever um and we go out to look at them to make
sure that they're you know utilize using the property because if you don't use the property you lose the exemp that's so we talked about that last year when if if a property is open to the public
um and it stops being used for public use U it it w there's a flag get a flag flying in over that property and we're looking at it saying
that we have to go look at it now some of these properties are used for exempt uses but but in a different way to the public they could be doing a service within the
four walls and then providing something outside the building such as um and I'm picking this isn't not who I'm picking on or or anyone but as an example Meals on Wheels the food could be made somewhere which is where the
exemption is and then delivered to a uh you know to the PE people that have are uh given you know Builder to to each of the homes it varies with the the uh you know what
what they using it that's hard to you know find out you know exactly what they're doing but if they're in there you know they there early in the morning making food or they lay there late at night making food for the next day
that's being shipped out to a or distributed to another uh organization sometimes these organizations are are contributing to like meal Meals on Wheels so it's not
just Meals on Wheels there's different going to call them vendors or suppliers that provide the food you know for meals and wheels to and wheels to deliver so those are the kind of things that make it difficult but if you go to a an exempt property and you see that it's up
and running and there's building is being used and there's individuals in there during the day it's kind of an easy uh decision to make you know don't tell qualify for that because their paperwork are is basically telling us
they are 501c it's just whether what the building are are there a lot of properties in town that are exempt but not being used um I don't think so but we talked about one
last year yeah there's a other than the county there there's a couple that I've been working on you know yes you know is the um the wall on the circle paying taxes
at this point yes you mean what's incomplete it is any other questions fun is the wall considered vacant or commercial uh commercial it's commercial because it's it's technically supposed
to be a display wall even though it's a vacant display wall it's it's like having an empty office building it's no different that it's still an office building but this is still a commercial piece it's just not being utilized right now question we're losing it
weing the ability to tax them on there ta what about as a business would they also pay taxes on like the the um advertisements they're selling not to us no that's not that's that that's not
really it's not like a not like when you buy a pack of gum you pay to buy they have to pay to theate but not right but we don't get any of that no it's it's it's uh they would pay a business tax you know like for a is if you're on the
store or yeah we don't get that either we just get the real estate taxes but we only get portion of the real estate taxes because we have to share it with the schools and the counties get a portion of okay there's a couple other businesses as well in town questions on
we can talk about that at a business overall can send you an email about a couple questions okay any other questions and all before it goes because when we do the budget you're just gonna have you're just G have Bill here you w have add
two go back and that's okay are smart guys anything has a question on their tax Assessments in fing to burrow um while it's here need to person Hotel get a tax break and
important do they get a tax break yeah are they tax well they they are taxed but it it is going into a pilot program and so they're tax for the land value um when they
started apart apartment residents generally don't pay taxes they pay it in their rent so they'll be paying their payment in lure taxes inside their rent owner will be will be paying ping the L of taxes but he's on a pilot program so
he has a reduced tax rate basically the reduction it's a formula but yes I mean yeah there there's he will be paying less but he also won't be paying like school taxes it won't be a
lot of kids in the building whatever so all at least two bedrooms so you see this more and more and I don't mean to bring it up in another town but I work in also in Warren Township and we probably
have six uh pilot programs going on at one time and they're it's uh it's just something that uh it's become popular you used to see it in in suburban and areas and rural areas where
you would just see it in places like Patterson and the Brunswick and now it's come out to this way and basically the town uh in warrant keeps
uh all the money except for 5% of the money collected goes to the county and nothing goes to school um which is something that's going to be discussed later on in in the state because they're you know those
pilot programs have become very very popular and what it does is it's like you having a apartment building it's based on the answer your question apartment building you pay based on the income of you had a percentage of the income in warrant so say it's a uh 15%
or 10% of the income that comes in and that's what the town gets and then they have to share five of it with the county those are like apart apartment rents and then there's other types of uh they even have them on single family homes
well with so few inventory of places to live in the burrow I don't know I'm being the writing on the wall that people will be moving in there which yeah and then you have that development in Liberty Village like 123
homes that's going to but it's us often that 15% is actually more than that tax than value of the property so you're actually getting more more money
the burrow is getting more money as a result yes get POS for US percentage like if you looked at our percentage of of we took the county the school and the municipality and saw the amount of percentage that we would receive through
ADV valorum taxes cost compared to the pilot town would receive more than than you normally significantly more and before you go um because there are some residents here uh homeowners can
you explain briefly the abatement program for um Renovations and additions and how it works in toown oh yes the abatement
program is uh is a fiveyear program uh for commercial it's an unlimited amount U so if someone does $500,000 worth of
Renovations uh that amount assess value would be Abad um over a 5year period and it's a a phase in where you it's 20 40 60 8 100 and the and what it does is the
per purpose of the abatement program for commercialist to attract commercial businesses in town and it's uh we just had one that um on the
restaurant CH The Chimney Rock Chimney Rock The Chimney Rock just uh expired last year and they had a an an a batement program that started at over 2 million um now they're paying full taxes on it but allows businesses to to start
up get get them started you know because a lot of businesses take you know 3 to five years to get on their feet has either T berries or Aunt Millies applied for this no not yet they have not do they have to be under construction to apply uh yeah
they'll take take their permits and and take out their like information but not t berries tber T sent an email today I had sent looking at a June ribbon cutting so they're
almost done and they haven't apply for anything I don't get that okay what about okay so that's that's unlimited amount that a commercial business can apply work and what about a single family home owner
25,000 uh so if you wanted to renovate a kitchen and bathrooms and course to $30,000 to do that it would you could Abate that 25 of it over a 5year period
um which uh helps Residential Properties and if you were to only want to use 10,000 of it you could take out you could aate 10,000 in the beginning for a project and then another 15,000 after
that uh you just cannot exceed the 25,000 what was that that number created and is that a state number or is that a burrow number it's a state number so the state's never adjusted it up Beyond 25,000 no really yes okay seems awfully
low and today's costs yes yeah cost have doubled since the time they even triple since the time they've enacted that if anybody has any projects they want to do it home file interat request
with Ed the council basically Ed recommends it which has basically rubber St it we haven't done any I in office so and I know projects are out they're happening people are like losing an opportunity so any other questions
FR you have a question FR so I have my own um Art Studio business that I recently opened and I was wondering is there any like um tax Bas I can get from there like never mind it's not a very
formulating question that's right you opened up a an art studio yeah and and are you attended in there in yeah I'm I'm renting it out okay you're renting from the landl right yeah your question
is there any kind of well the taxes are paid by the landlord or or controlled by the landlord I should say whether you pay them or he pays them I don't know what your Le says um it just depends on
the uh you know the investment is for the whole how many how many uh P are in the building no it's just me so far it's like this refurbished like 1700 building it's really cool okay so there going to be just one just two yeah we're looking
to expand though okay so you're are you responsible for the taxes um I don't think so I was just asking for them so they pay the the taxes yeah and okay it
would did you do renovations to it um no I'm gonna I'm going to re retract my question because it wasn't very fully formed you want to take my number down I can give you my sell number if you have any questions that's a better idea what is it 908
246 4150 okay cool it's anytime between 8:30 and 10:30 at night I think but after that I put my phone
down you have a question yeah so my question is going back to nonprofits we don't own our building so we're paying taxes through our rent yes thank you your land bills are sent to the landlord and then the
landlord would pay those taxes I don't know if he bills you back his common area maintenance or if he to build he could build that into an expense like a common area maintenance your exterior lighting if more than one tenant he can he can but it has to be in your lease
it's all it's all determines how you all is dictat determined by how your lease just want to make sure we're paying off fair share anybody else really quickly so are there is
there a sunset on the abatements or is it just you expect these to continue for commercial evasion uh it's it's not I know it would be something that it would be determined
by the governing body whether they continue or not continue with it and the uh it's not required by the state or federal government or it's just it's was put in years ago to try
to um attract commercial properties to the downtown to uh kind of revive the the downtown area that was the whole purpose of it see other questions thank you so much for uh
coming in and um walking everybody through how this works thank you mayor appreciate your time drive safely thank you s County have I do live in hun County though in
for 40 years very much appreciated um so uh we're on to uh mayor's report um a couple of things uh number one uh Jim Hall resigned from the planning
board personal issues uh last week so I am moving everybody up appointing Jeff Dosh in the Phil Jims unexpired term ending December 31st 2026 uh don echle moving him to Ultimate
number one expiring 12 3126 and moving marcan to Ultimate number two expiring 1231 55 uh secondly um I don't see any of the people here but they might be in and I
just don't recognize them um I did get some correspondence from one of the neighborhoods that they are having an issue with deer uh and deer being drawn into the neighborhood uh by one of the homeowners feeding and putting feed out for the deer um I have asked the
environmental commission to review the situation review state D and Fish and Wildlife recommendations and uh if they are so inclined to look at many municipalities in the state of New Jersey that have no deer feeding ordinances and recommend
one to the Gover body so we'll look for that sometime in the future uh we did reauthorize the co-op uh for the electrical co- off in or out or stay in for now walked out uh I want to thank the fire department for
their uh dinner the other night it was wonderful to see U the whole fire department having um a welld deserved time a good time and finally tomorrow is the school board budget vote
uh please don't forget to vote but also please be kind tonight and brief um I am asking both the council to keep their comments down as well as the public in the comment period because our clerk has to be here must be in this room at 5:00
a tomorrow and she lives 25 minutes from here so um that's what I've got so moving on I will um ask councilman uh council president to go first I'm I don't really have anything I
do I I your about the fire department that was actually really nice there um thank you for inviting us um that's it I'll save my comments for the next time thanks thank you Council vice president yeah I I'll have more really
comprehensive report but I'll excuse me save it for next time um but again you know as as Le on to the fire department uh it was a wonderful night and you the our our volunteer fire department and chief they always appreciate it when uh
We join them in these celebrations so so certainly appreciate that um I saw some from council members and the mayor there um uh and that yeah I'm just going to keep it tight um I got a bunch of squad stuff I got community engagement I got
police I got B I'm gonna you just want to announce the truck coming it's yeah it's coming before our next meeting so you got to do it tonight the 19th 19 the 19th of March the new fire truck will be here at 7 approximately 7:30 p.m. I would welcome to
see thank you we'll look forward to a big report next meeting y councilman love it thank you um I just want to note I will be uh running a site again this year for the veran headwaters 35th anual stream cleanup on Saturday April 12th 2025 from 9:00 a.m. to 12 p.m. I will be
the site leader for site 88 the F American baseball complex there are still six wonderful resp remaining and uh if by the time you sign up and you unfortunately cannot do it with me uh there are plenty of sites all around Township and 100 the county to clean up and I will acknowledge no there there
was not a stream on that site but you know if there's trash there blown around enough we'll run off touching it will eventually make its way into a stream and I I don't think we want that uh and yes I just want to say thank you to the fire department for the lovely evening and had a great time and uh congrats to
our two new businesses that open Rec and their soft opening and uh Rand opening very good time that's it thank you Council the library will be reopening okay um in the midst of ongoing construction the library will be
reopening I'm saying this a second time after we receive an all clear from the environmental air quality testing organization which we've engaged this delay has been out of concerns for the safety of staff and patrons and one final thing it was paid for with a
bequest it was not through taxpayer dollars I've seen a little bit of um chatter around the town and the air quality was not mold not as best this it was concrete test concrete test concrete test uh and then the have and tomorrow
evening the planning board um meeting has was initially going to be moved to next Tuesday um it was being moved for the election take place here um but the March 18th meeting has been canceled as well so our next planning board meeting will be March
24th that's it thank you now for one minute anglehart um yeah I just had a couple Qui things um you myself and Adrian have the um parking committee this Thursday I wanted to acknowledge women's history
month month is um the month of March and um I think a shout out to all the women owned businesses in town a lot of hardworking women out there and uh really appreciate um that you've invested your hard money hard earn money
in flamington and then finally you've got a very quick code enforcement uh report for February um there were in February 12 cases um of property
maintenance uh 11 code enforce cases um there was no leans um there were two opr requests we have one summons issued in the month of February um so the year to date is 1613 two and three those same
items that's all I have thank you Alman ran uh not everything much to say other than good be back I did go check out Mr poxs Spa that's meet Tim Nate good business owners I Town my cousin used to
work with them actually guys um I did want to go to the groove shop but I did have to work all day and I didn't get the chance to go to the uh fire department uh dinner this work but other than that I only got much
to say but yeah right thank you very much all right we're up to public comments session number one uh comments are limited to three minutes if there are multiple commenters on the same subject ask you respectfully to appoint somebody as your spokesperson can't hold
you that by law but I will hold you to those three minutes um so anybody who has anything that is not on the agenda if you are here for a public hearing please save your comments for that public hearing otherwise they will not be part of that public record
so you're looking for your lease I can already fill no well I want to follow but good to see the council I need your name for the record sure and your address please Michael Coons 36 Honeyman Drive in Township you had some excitment over the weekend leming and RAR in
baseball uh president Ryan flandro vice president here as well um yeah we lost the in the storm we lost the light came down thankfully nobody was there on the field but definitely caused a good bit of damage um but we wanted to just come
back and and we were here in February I believe of uh 24 and we spoke to the council and mayor um and we just wanted to see if we have any updates and any thoughts on next steps if you need anything from us uh we did share the
lease at the time um I don't think I don't think there's going to be an issue getting you a new lease I think it's just a matter of getting it sort of more up to dat understood you know I don't think this I don't think you have anything to worry about well yeah understood and I think for us we spent
30 ,000 at the facility last year we probably will spend over 50 this year there's obviously some concerns as you know we're we're you know nonprofit We Don't this is out of our pocket so I think there's some concern from our board that generally just wants to make
sure that we do have some longevity there if we're going to continue to invest in the property um you know if and obviously there was a I Believe by resolution it could be passed for an extension of 25 years if that the other lease can get an extender a longer me
I'm sorry um so we just wanted to file back up and we can continue to come we also wanted to invite you all to opening day which will be April 5th you're never asking me to throw out a first ball again right ever I will absolutely absolutely I throw like a girl so when
is it April 5th April 5th I've lost my arm 10 o' good well 9:45 10 o'clock we'll start the parade and then uh first pitch will be around 10:50 okay um yeah I'll talk to our attorney and see if I can get something on the agenda like in
the next couple of meetings great you know regarding the lease we appreciate that I don't think there's an issue it's just about getting some cleaner language understood and we agree with that I just um like I said the board members continue to ask well we're going to invest the money we have you know four
years left what do we want to do that and I just want to make sure that we're moving in the right direction so appreciate what you all do and uh we look forward to seeing it thank you thank you take care good night thank you anybody else for the
public your name for the record and your address please CEO New Jersey it not really um any ince the other
person ince up when I read you can do now okay my name is Karen Toby Jones 20 Spring Street good evening mayor and council members uh obviously I'm here to speak to the recent discussions surrounding
the warming Center uh hun hel line has provided to County and municipalities for four years plus before I go into mine I have a letter here from Susan Laker who is our landlord uh dated March 2nd uh to whom it may concern I am the property manager
of the Deets complex 12024 Main Street and 129 Maple Street it has come to my attention that there are complaints being made that clients of the warming Center are using the Deets building for sleeping and using the restroom facilities it is my belief that The
Intruders that we have not that we have had are not clients of the warming Center but our other homeless that for whatever reason refuse to use the warming Center facilities I truly feel that if the center was open more often as a safe place for them to use
facilities and clean up that the problem Flemington burough is currently having would be greatly improved do I have to give this letter to anybody or sorry injured I just want to set the record
straight given some things that had been said regarding this issue uh while I appreciate council member Parker's admission that he had come to the Center for four he came two years ago as a council member long I was and am referring to the invitation I sent to
the council members and the mayor during the last year and a half the tour we give is very specific uh as far as the history of code blue how it was handled prior to the state legislation and the history of the Count's warming centers at no time is it not clear off facility
is a temporary emergency center for people to stay overnight and sometimes longer if a code blue of freezing temperatures is called by o and mother nature part of our services at the center include referrals to various programs some hours some other
government and nonprofit resources while they are at the center we are acquired by contract each month to provide account of referrals for each day's guests we help therefore with whatever we can to get the guests off the street and on a trajectory toward success with
employment and housing assistance at the very least we can direct them to getting snap hel line has offered such services to the county for 60 56 years 24/7 given funding and other impediments we still manage to end homelessness one
person at a time it has been said over and over we have never before in four years been given a citation of zoning infraction and still have and I I correct this to you're at your I'm sorry you're at your three minutes please wrap it up okay and still have nothing in
writing but we did get our writing we did get our violation today thank you while building out the facility make hand cap accessible and before the center was uh even open at that time uh the landlord uh was cited by the fire marshal and the State Fire Marshal said
everything was fine we are in the business district and fall into categories that permit us to operate most warming centers are in fact in office building because they are of a temporary and emergent nature Miss Jones you have three minutes
okay um we so this is a continuation of what Mrs Ro was saying so they're in the business district of um why this attack on the Cent has come to Bear is something that they don't understand normally such concerns have
been brought before the organization tended to have conversation normally um they've been approached by the mayor or the council the issues were brought to the county in December not to the organization the concerns they have
therefore are first about the Cs which have been there for 4 years during any tours then they've heard that they needed to move as they attract homeless people to Clemington Who start to Homestead this is not true our data
Bears this out we we may get the occasional person from out of town but the law requires he or she I need your name please guys 24 Spring Street what is it
Adrian 24 Spring Street he or she are entitled to a place to stay during freezing temperatures if they have no means to leave during that time most of our guests as reported every day the center is open have lived in the county more than a year we do not
force people out at 7: a.m. like other organizations the center has certain operating hours and open reporting L guests are encouraged at that time to go to the other daytime warming centers the county provides we've been accused of incidents that have occurred at the Flemington Free Library as sergeant
mcnell can attest he and I have spoken of these incidents the library May caringly the library very caringly caringly has permitted people who are homeless to come to the library regardless of any issues that might negatively impact their operation that
is the library's Choice may I point out that the issues that have occurred there have nothing to do with our Center we run a tra TI Shi with rules not just about the center but about the parking lot and loitering in our nearby vicinity we take care of our guests and make sure
no one is putting themselves or others In Harm's Way when we have had health issues we have called for EMTs and the police transport the guests to the hospital on a few occasions during the four years of operation police have been calleded about guests who have not followed the rules and are creating
disturbance there are state laws regarding who can come to the center which we follow at the first council meeting it was said that our guests are breaking into buildings and cars once again we have never had any issue concerning that nor has it been brought to our attention that a particular guest
has done so otherwise I would think that they would have been arrested as previously said at these meetings and in letters of support we have had people who are homeless in Flemington long before the center was established by the county and will continue to have people who are homeless
like any other urban area instead of accusing the center why not provide solutions from the burrow to assist those in need when the leg islation was enacted a meeting with all municipalities and police department need to wrap it up please okay I just want to say Karen and I live on Spring
Street this warming Center has been there for a while we didn't even know it was there we live right around the block we have never had a problem and the concern is that if it's not there that this is going to fall in the police to find a solution and that's not really a
Humane or ethical way to handle this type of problem so whatever you can be done if this level to support the center would be better for our town and and it's also a humane way to treat people who are in need now that the weather's
getting better we have some time you guys have some time to discuss this and hopefully come up with a solution that would be good for everybody for when it gets cold again in the fall so I think you appreciate your time thank you anybody else from the
public you name your address to the record please hi I'm Emily Russell I live at 85 M Street sorry Russell Russell s's 2 L's r u SS e l l what number
85 I'm here this evening to show my support for hund helpline and operation of the code blue warming Center which serves homeless individuals in our community the center not only provides a warm place to sleep during below freezing temperatures but also connects
people facing difficult circumstances to essential social service resources available in our community centers like this also help reduce the strain on local emergency services by decreasing the number of cold weather related emergency room
visits and other Urgent Care needs providing CS during extreme weather conditions is both reasonable and Humane CS offer a safe and comfortable place for individuals to rest which is crucial for their physical
and mental well-being without proper rest people are more susceptible to illness and injury especially in harsh weather additionally cots help maintain dignity and respect for those enduring homelessness reinforcing the community's
commitment to caring for all of its members resources like those provided by the Hun helpline benefit our entire Community by helping integrate homeless individuals into the commun community Through access to Social Services job training and other resources that
promote stability and self-sufficiency as a burough resident and a member of the Flemington Presbyterian Church I urge Flemington burough leadership to work with hunon helpline and hunon County to amicably
resolve any concerns so the warming Center can continue to provide a safe and dignified refuge for those experiencing homelessness here in our county seat thank you add record
please Marita Duncan you all know me as Bonnie um I'm just going to go ahead please oh I'm sorry I live up in Lebanon um I just wanted to add my support to this as well I certainly was part of a lot of the discussions that
led to the warming Center being brought to um hun help line four years go and so if there are any challenges I think that in in order to do what's right for the folks that are most vulnerable in in
these situations that um I'm I'm there for any discussions to continue the dialogue we've tried over the years to have a real Continuum of care for individuals you know code blue is is in the most
dire of needs for a homeless person and so to not be able to respond to that in a humane way just feels wrong on so many levels and I've always felt that this community is a very caring community and
and one that steps up for its folks and so whatever I can do to help continue that dialogue to resolve whatever may be out there but I thought this was like part of a system that we had in place to
really take care of our homeless indiv uals and it's just one component of that whole system of Care thank you very much thank you anybody else in public my name is Dave CAC I I'm sorry your name for the record
please oh c u d d e b a c k thank you CH power shortage cut it back you just said so fast and your address uh my personal address is in b but the address I'm talking about is right across the street
it's 21-24 Court Street I mean 20 24-26 for are you the owner huh are you the owner yes I am okay thank you uh we've had problems in the past from what I understand I've never caught anybody but
the trucks there should be a sign limiting the size of the truck that can turn the corner here um uh a Costco truck luckily you know John swick happened to see it and uh the truck came
around and destroyed the sidewalk and the sidewalk is a mess right now they is the truck coming down Park and making a right making a left but if it it would work the same it would have worked the same way it was coming the other way too there should be
on a limitation on both both sides this to the turns uh this was a a real long truck the Costco truck and luckily why was the Costco trp on your street he was lost oh that's what
well got it John told me that John was the witness anyway uh the sidewalk in front there is is really wrecked and I'm going after Costco luckily I had uh John as a witness and also one of my tenants
over there uh happen to see the truck go away she heard it she thought it hit the it hit her car but it didn't so it was the side walk over on the park side the no right in front of the house all right
and uh there's about four big sections are all start's making right now take a look tomorrow and do a police report but anyway I've been chasing down Costco but it's very complicated because they have about four different places you have to go to in fact I just got a call from
California today regarding their thing so and you know they're trying to they're trying to I think they're trying to help us but on the other hand it's by understanding and according to John uh U that there have been other
incidences that have happened there including one that broke a pipe or something I don't know uh years ago but they can't let those those big trucks turn that cor it's it's ridiculous okay that was the other thing he said when he saw it he said that the
trailer there's a light Po you know light post there missed by that much so the the sergeant will follow up with one of the police officers for sure okay uh as councilwoman angelart said we have a parking committee which does a lot more
than just parking on Thursday we'll have our traffic engineer take a look at the area on how we can sign and limit okay yeah but I mean it's a very dangerous corner it really is I mean it's okay for a normal size car or whatever but
long truck is it your sidewalk that's broken yeah it's right in front what was your numbers 2426 24-26 yeah it's on the corner there yellow house okay we'll we'll definitely look at it all right thank you thanks
for coming anybody else from the public J can you please spell your last name a s t n p a u n um six neus Drive lemington 61 6 neus n i us
drive is that or town town thank you you're welcome um sorry I should have jumped in earlier but just want to say I support the work of our Lo local warming Center and hope that a resolution can be found to keep it in town I um have a
volunteer at um Family Promise of H and County and a congregant at the clington Jewish Community Center and I was sent as a representative by our clergy to just state that uh so many of us support
this wonderful project okay thank you anybody else from the public hi my name is Marie two names last name hash H also known as Heidi Mar has saes
live in Clinton Township okay and I am employee of the Flemington free public library I'm not I don't know what you would call me so I'm I'm not a resident but I've worked at the library for almost you are a a loyal wonderful
cherished member of the family well I appreciate that because I do think it's a family and I love the DAR clemon so that's probably going to be the next place that I live as I downsize for my um as a person who loves library and I've been involved in the library not
only for 11 years but also on the friends the formation of the friends committee I was on years I was on the mediate side committee for nine years and I function with directors um as secretary um I'm I came here because I
was concerned about and I wanted to show support for the hunting um help line and the warning center I've seen I've seen things through the years and um I would I would say that our library has been supportive of those that are on
house in the neighborhood that that are County residents um as a last um resident on record for last year and they are very good as long as you keep as long as you may clear the rules of
conduct within the library are following those those rules they are very supportive several of them have actually asked to volunteer and so they want to make and they will even come and help rearrange books on the F shelves just to
make the place better um they come in and they they look for work on the computers they ask for help where they might not be able to get the social service help all day long and I would help them on the competive to try findun housing and find Mon and some of even
come back now housed and working in the community to show their officiation of gratitude for what we were able to do for them and help them to do in order to become functioning members of the community in in general and I want to say I was there when there were some
issues but this was years ago and one thing I can say about that issue at hand was that the person there was one person who had problems with um not being able to to understand when he needed to use the bathroom which caused issues with
our chairs but I can tell you one thing that that person didn't have malice and wasn't doing it intentionally he was a sick individual who had medical problems who subsequently died not too long after that incident and we have a lot of
medical people who come in aged disabled um impaired Etc um drug addicted not drug addicted you can see when they come to the desk that they might have issues we're there we're train to be considered and confidence of their needs and also
to be able to keep things in line within a certain set of of parameters so so I see a benefit to to have W up pleas thank you that's it thank you very much for coming and I appreciate and I really like
working do anybody else in the public please hi how's everybody doing um my name is Ron y can you spell your last name please g e l o k g e l o k and your address please uh I'm a 11on bur
resident it's 48 Brunswick Avenue but I do own a business that operates here in clington what's the address of the business here uh it's a food truck so it's uh it's mobile um but um I'm here tonight to I'm a lifelong huning County
resident a business owner and I'm also the operations director of a nonprofit called solid foundation um which specializes in youth mentoring Through Skateboarding and art and I'm here tonight to Advocate and ask the council to consider the creation of a free
public concrete skate park to serve as an inclusive and safe place for our youth to gather um or at least get uh ourselves on the agenda for a future future council meeting or discussion um tonight we have our local skate Flemington group with us U including
myself uh Sharon and uh a group that we also have representing 2,000 plus signatures mostly from Flemington Township or Flemington Flemington burrow some are Flemington bur and some
are Ron Township you conduct through it's over 2,000 signatures everyone's got different um add is but uh I'd like to ask to get the uh official Council on the general you could perhaps take some next STS together to create a free and
inclusive space for our young people over 15 years ago this Council advocated for uh the help and funding and finding the location for Flemington DIY um which is uh you know a staple in the community and a source of people's artistic expression um as well um so
this Council has a history of supporting young people and as a young person myself growing up here I struggled with mental health challenges substance abuse and in times of recovery I found skateboarding to be my healthy and sober Community where I could heal and have an
outlet and break out of isolation that um was crushing me the reality is the skate park is a common ground for all ages cultures genders soci economic status and walks of life uh life Faith Etc it produces a natural sense of
community in the park um which creates The Fosters and natural mentoring relationship amongst a lot of the older guys and the younger kids getting introduced to this sport in the park um and with hun in Hunter County and the explore Hunter effort and all the the
infrastructure growth that's happening here in flyington um we just believe fton is taking what's taking place here that the town is poised uh perfectly the next location of a pristine high quality concrete uh skate park um believe
skateboarders are no longer looked at you know the the degenerate uh criminals in the 80s but now uh mentors business owners um leaders and uh and it's an Olympic sport um so we also provided a
proposal which she'll pass pass out we can email as well fora in there has a couple of quot pricings um and different designs for like the whole park and then also something
that's more um integratable with existing locking Paths of functional skate obstacles and things like that so it's all outlined in proposal um but we' love your consideration of of the space and you know future discussions so you go much
further you want to spell your name for ianus IV a n a u s k a s yes and your address for the record 215 cool Road and yes okay did you say co co K oh okay I'm
sorry um so this I announc did WR to the council in 2023 um April 26 2023 and I responded in blind cop of the entire council at that time and I'm going to read you the email I wrote to her and because nothing has changed in
this town um is this still the period for open public it is but before you asked us to you asked just now you asked me to put you on the agenda for future discussion so I'm willing to do that discussion right now no we're not asking for it right now I'm willing to do it
right now I don't want to do it in the future I want to do it now when everybody's here and everybody can we don't have everyone here though we're here okay because I gotta find out if they're interested and even dealing with this okay can I talk that no let me no
no I'll give you your three minutes okay go ahead take your few minutes thank you my guest my name is Sharon ivanus I'm a mother of 12 girls and have also been an educator in the clemon maritan school district for several years one of my daughters has an IEP and struggled
developmentally and with her mental health she did not fit in with organized School sports and felt she was judged she began to suffer with depression which manifested as isolation and self harm by the age of 13 she had a
su side attempt she had to be impatient and then in a residential setting she was later diagnosed with bipolar disorder anxiety and also bellima then thankfully she discovered skateboarding I would drive her to
Freedom Park in Trenton or an van skate park in Hillsboro as there was nowhere to skate skateboard locally she felt anxious about being on a skateboard scared that people would be looking at her and self-conscious about her body however at both skate pars she was
not judged quite the opposite she was welcomed and if other skateboarders saw her struggling they would come over and help her I remember the first time she went to one of the parks and she left telling me she had fun with her friends at the park she had gone alone with apprehension she had left with smiling
friends the youth and families of Clemington need this we have a burrow of different individuals different ages races ethnicities and different income brackets coming together at a community skate park means we are not being pushed
into a competitive environment we can put aside the stress of school home or work we can all be ourselves and make new friends too whether it's as a young child helping an adult to balance on a skateboard an elderly adult adding a child how fun it was to grow up with no
stress talking to them playing on the streets and kept making new friends or two parents talking about the struggles of balancing a household with little money m to feed but now they have a place for their kids to play shared experiences become connections we are
all individuals but coming together at a community skate park as a town will Foster growth support fuels resilience together we can achieve more than we can alone recognizing
individuality and embracing our differences this is what creates a stronger community and a stronger FL where everyone has the opportunity to thrive my daughter was given the gift of skateboarding and being accepted into the skateboarding Community I would like
to have families of Flemington to have a community skat Park to have the opportunity to come together as a community and to help individuals be themselves and also be stronger with others thank you we had some other people that wanted to talk to before we
I before we entertain this because again I asked for a spokesperson from any groups coming out you said TR keep we've got more though well that's fine but before I continue this public comment period And I we'll continue it if I have to this is what I wrote to you in
2023 the issue of creating a skate park in the burough would be difficult we are a one and a half square mile town which is vastly developed other than one small park if you look at it on Google Earth it looks big it is not it borders the YMCA property and it borders rare in
Township FL School District perfect perfect location yeah car on but it's not our property our property is in flood plane the DP will not let us put in a concrete Park all those woods with those passive beautiful trails that are
highly used by the residents of this burrow all of them would have to be eliminated because and the DP would want us do it anyway because you want to put in impervious coverage and remove a flood plane uh let me just continue what I wrote to
you because you clearly didn't read my email two years ago tuck m is located off of benell Street which has very limited parking as in as in a residential neighborhood mber park is owned by Rare in Township and the park in Court Street is owned by hun in County the school district holds
property around the school and the large parcel of land behind Shields Avenue is owned by the Hun land trust and is also in rare in Township consequently I don't believe the burough had the land to place a skate park the idea and I'm going to now go off my email okay and
thank you for saying you want the burrow to taxpayers to pay for a the buau should build a high quality concrete of countywide uh you skateboard park for the County's use because we're the county seat or whatever you're
thinking but you know I continue saying perhaps you should speak with hun in county or your elected officials in r in Township both of which own much more land than the burough of Flemington the county owns vast properties of Parkland rare and township owns at least four
large Parks they have many more ratables and many more citizens to not only eat the cost of building this but the liability insurance the liability insurance for having this part so you can say no but it's really up to the council to decide whether they want to
take a piece of our one small park that we own and turn it into a countywide skate board Park versus a Municipal Park for municipal residents that has a small Pavilion a small tot loock a community garden and walking
trails and a volleyball court which could be something in the future like a soccer field so Municipal Park just so you understand Municipal parks are supposed to be used for municipal use not countywide use that is not their
definition and talking about countywi use I'm sorry Mr gillock stated in his statement the burough should build a highquality concrete State Fort Park for the county I didn't mayor I think what I'm asking for is another period for us
to have a discussion because your response right now seems rather hostile because I feel like I'm not aware of any two years because I responded TOA two years ago and she has started a petition and she has started is
extremely unprofessional Facebook page get people to come out to this very small burrow and if you look at my proposal I saw your prop options that are not a giant That Couldn't that is not I stated
this park recently was awarded $100,000 and you put that under the f I actually spoke to councilman Trent and I'm where well where well that that money can't be used for anything to do with skateboarding and for the Park I just saying this is a great Park I love it my
in-laws live across the street from it I take my daughter there um we don't care if it's toir again we just need a skate park in the area so that was like here's a bullseye we're trying to figure this out as our own I'm here to say can you
help us provide recreational spaces for kids that are not in team sports we just want to have a discussion just we don't own anything other than CH mgan park that's it that's our only open space possib in this municipality besides the baseball
field so so bouncing off what what may Carol has say and I I'm been saying this for like 10 years since I moved here we are literally a 1.17 square mile burrow in the year year and three months that I've now been on Council I had the
opportunity to be not only on our parking and traffic spting but also on our public of works when we're talking about impermeable impermeability we're talking about flood zones we before I was on
Council I can recall a bad storm and literally seeing a ocean or a river going through my yard my historic home off of it down into it there's no place else for the water to go when you come to me you show me something like this in
our very tiny burrow I'm thinking about about all we're trying to fix all we're trying to fix right now with where water goes how you could look at the ones that are on the pathway it takes up like
maybe it's like 2 feet by 6ot obstacle on existing walkable Pathways like it doesn't have to be a giant skate park thing if you would take a moment to consider the hard work that myself and Sharon and these other people are Tak
just browse through it because there's other options and we're not making the same mask that she did two years ago Ron wasn't with me then I was with some other people that were helping to support me Unfortunately they had a family and they had to move out of Flemington so Ron has taken over the
world to help me have you approach about my Park I have spoken to I was trying to reach parks and wck in Clemington we don't have a t work as Public Public Works they have not returned my PO so I was trying to find out about t Park and
I wanted to know one of the things I was asking you may not know because I know you said it's green because it's not Green Acres it is not Green Acres it is flood plane it was not acquired through Green Acres the sport the sport field is that currently being used because I have
not seen it being used the sports field is under other considerations for for like to be redone it's currently a volleyball court but there are other considerations Sports field at Park no no you're thinking no the soccer field
is a soccer field and there was was there was a volleyball court there it's not anymore but it certainly isn't how long has it been since it was used as a soccer field because I haven't seen there there's no markings there's no go it's the the the money that you proposed
in here that is that's actually um identified for soccer fixing up the soccer field it's already that money's already been us to when we when we applied to the grant we had to identify what we were doing and it has been used
in in in the last five years I like this because I'm I couldn't get any answers from anyone so that is going to be fixed up as a soccer field yes okay and even though there's um soccer clubs in the lington yes all the soccer clubs are
taken by like the the flam rare soccer group The 100 men soccer teams they the L Park you know has RAR Township teams playing there because it's a Municipal Park ours are right so our and you're not allowed to um skateboard or bike on
the sidewalks right that has to be on the road I don't know where you're talking about in flemingon Barrow it's illegal to be on the sidewalk or that is correct right so they have to be on the roads that is correct okay I've
seen skate skateboarding has not be on the sidewalks okay so can I can I just I want to interject real quick um you Mr G and Mrs ianos yes
um it's commendable when somebody says we need something for the teenagers doing hun County not teenagers families yeah families but primarily you know when I look at skateboarding I grew up in 80s and 99s it's not right but I'm also um well
acquainted with young folks uh out here I happen to be a teacher for over 20 years in the high school system um it might sound a little crazy but I I enjoy working with teenagers they're wonderful human beings um but when they're bored can be very problem
so it's commendable that you're coming here with some proposal for for something for something um and you know it is it is an issue as has been stated that the property not having the property is an issue but the fact that
you're coming here to help uh find something for people to do that that is those are things that people need to be doing more often so thank you you're commended um I know this is not easy stuff um you know and I and I Zer you
know Tu Bergen I know the park very well um and I know that what you're talking about is what what we absolutely 100% need uh not just in FL but the broadly in in hun are these places that they call these th places you know planners
and uh you know the the the trend setters of this stuff so where you can find this I think it might work I just you know I I have to agree with pasaro and and Carol on that the space isn't there that is a
concern in Flemington burrow um I remember there was a skate park in Clinton Township two years back Park Park yeah and then uh well I liveed in bridgew there's one in Somerville in the toille yeah
that the municipalities are closing this is the thing the municipalities are vastly closing the parks because insurance cost of resent that's not they're all covered under New Jersey statute that say that's the same law that covers the playground
the reason they're closing is because skate parks that are not 100% concrete usually don't last more than 10 years so it's a maintenance and stewardship issue and most municipalities don't understand that and don't put the stewardship maintenance plan in place so the kids suffer
let my suggestion is that you talk to the County Commissioners the BM they have a BMX a BMX course up at the county library on R 12 they've already invested in those kind like that kind of like
sport that appeals to um high energy teams and high energy families so they have a facility for it they have huge amounts of parking up there they have land but they also have besides that Park which is right next to the county library with all of its facilities there
they also own huge landed Deer Path Park they own huge land at South County Park they own a huge track of land on Clover Hill Road in uh in Ron Township that's I think 500 Acres there's nothing on it's all passive walking Fields with a big sign saying someday in the future this
is going to be active recation so the county has huge tracks of land have you talked to them talk to the county he aing for the children that that are here you look at this
m they need to walk to something a big giant I worked in dayar SCH I worked with a third grader who said you're going to a skate park I didn't know she didn't know what a skate park was I said you like to skateboard she said yes and I said the skateboard and she said in
the parking lot she worked at she lives at the Flemington arms there is nowhere for them to skateboard there there's nowhere for her to go she can't skateboard on the sideboard she can't skateboard on the road there's lots of other places that
have and have spaces for skate park we you know are number one in the state and and New Jersey is number one in the country for preserving open space land like there's time right but where we are is is in a tighted urban space right so
we I don't know you know this so what happens if someone injures themselves there the same that would happen if someone injures themselves at a playground or a B I do have notes from uh pars and W at Hillsboro and he said
the past 10 years he has not had one reported injury I can get that written down I'll go back and get that WR but if there is is the burrow liable where the indivual so here's the I'm gonna give you a different answer than
the question you asked the question that you should have asked is will our insurance go up the burrow if we put in a skate park and I can definitively tell you yes it will does it go up if there's a playground as long as the the playground
has to have that that surface stuff at the bottom as long as it meets current state standards that are required for a new park for a playground with this stuff at the bottom that the kids can't put themselves because there was a state
Parker and ban in Hillsboro he said insurance was covered under the umbrella insurance but same as for playgrounds that it would not add any insurance that is not what I've had insurance companies tell me for skate parks you've looked at state parks wow
I'm impressed okay thank you I have look good that you look to that but I and that look I I'm sorry that my frustration is that this little burrow the county seat we have a lot of people who tell us what we should do with it
that aren't our taxpayers okay a lot of them do this that huh so working at plemon Mar School District I'm talking about our taxpayers who pay for the insurance and you pay for the upkeep and you pay the DPW I am talking about
taxpayers bring business we have a lot of people who tell us what we should do here who are not taxpayers or residents okay from Little Egypt is meant to be here he is I'm sorry I just spoke to him he's got customers at be 55 I don't I
just of Sher Cafe that would like to be here I wish you would talk to R Township about M mbrook Park it's also in walking distance it's down the road a bit over on the other you know down by um the board track it's not that far it's by the Robert Hunter school right it's it's
also in it's not that far and I I need to say something here you guys have been you guys have been floating this idea for years and I it's really the the one I my background is
planning and the the one thing that I I really appreciate about your proposal is the idea of being able to locate something like this in a in a in a walkable Community that's what we and Flemington are all about
however the the mayor and and um councilman fararo is is absolutely right I I don't think that this proposal has um been developed enough to really even um
address address um the concerns that are very obvious with that part and that is the at least onethird it is actually Green Acres that oneir is all one yeah onethird of it is all Green Acres and
it's all Wetlands there is hardly any area there to build but putting that aside it it seems to me that the the attitude um the it's almost
entitled um that you come across is is really off-putting um and and that's been the case for a few years it really has made me wait let me finish you keep interrupting let me no ma'am you have interrupted all of us let me
finish it doesn't seem like you have approached any other municipality or any other um or the county and I think that's where we get resentful in that we constantly are being berated with what do you consider
what do you consider I've been on the parks commit for two years I would consider something like this I I would if it worked with our community we first of all this is not engineer this does this tells me nothing yet it tells me
nothing yet more importantly you haven't done your research with all the other possibilities in the area including areas that are walkable for from the burrow so my my request to you is do
more research before you ask the burrow to um do something that's we know very well is going to be extremely hard from a a rainwater
standpoint from a just a a pack standpoint from a a a development standpoint we do have a very limited amount of precious open Acres I I I what I resent is it doesn't seem like you've you've approached anybody else but us and
that's what I'm asking you to do is do your research and then if we are the perfect spot then sell us but don't come in here with an attitude and and and say this is the only spot for you and and really really really understand the
difference between the burrow and the township because I guarantee I guarantee you the at least at least at least um at least three 2third of those signatures are from riton Township if maybe there's a joint effort
to build it together and finance it together you know that's what Grassroots is all about your your intentions are pure but you're not you're not ready for you're not ready for prime time yet Mr Gil did you ask limit on burrow your own Hometown where you P taxes did and what
did they say uh I didn't do that counil don't live in Township around it or in Leon I've been an educator for like about seven years in plet maritan school district these kids are the ones that need it they're not going to walk all
the way out to R in Township they need to have it here why I ask the school to put one in I really appreciate that argument that's not the only argument ma'am that's not the only argument come do more research get your ducks in order and then appro
and approach multiple um uh agencies and municipalities about coun I want to say thank you so much for your consideration um and for looking at the The Proposal I don't know how to go about all the right
stuff and I'm not in planning and or of that my my hope tonight was for for us to kind of have a little bit of this discussion in the future get that what you guys want to do is very pure and I've
been I haven't sounded anything again the only question is who else have you asked and and what I appreciate what I heard you say at the beginning is we don't know we're trying to get direction so it's not necessarily direction is just necessarily here in the world but what direction do we take if we go and
that's that's what I've been focusing on is hear what direction you want to take I think there's several ideas there what I would suggest to you my recommendation would be go back and listen to what the recommendations were in terms of this bu this Township this Township Central High
School well okay in the proximity from where people where where these kids are in the whole bit and what is possible right because everything's possible right it's just a matter of where the conversation needs to lead and who needs to be involved in the conversation so my
recommendation would be is just go back for a second that but not let me so here's what I said listen to what I said don't I'm not I'm not going to go any further than that but what I'm saying is is that listen to what all the
ideas were see what is possible with everything else and even maybe have a conversation with them and other people and figure and figure out some Alternatives as well so this doesn't work I'm you know I'm from business and
industry what I know is is there's a plan and there's a backup plan because if this plan doesn't work I don't have to go all the way back to the drawing board to put this plan in right and I think if you're just sold on one thing that's where you want into a brick wall and that CA your frustration and
disappointment so I don't want you to be disappointed what I want you to do is understand that there needs to be another backup plan so that you can get what you want and it may not be your first choice but it is a choice that's what I'm trying to say I think what you're hearing from the council is that
none of us think that Tucker Morgan is the appropriate place for the burough of Flemington we understood that but we've got schools all around there's five Regional High Schools 100 in central is in walking distance from Flemington if that's if all you care about are the Flemington kids and you don't care about
the Clinton toown kids and the Lebanon burough kids and the Stockton kids and the Frenchtown kids that's a good point uh like there's lots we have 26 municipalities in this County 14 are townships one is a city one is a town recor burus right all the buus were all
built out we're sewered out we're watered out we're built out and most of the burus have one park that's developed and it's not meant to be anything but a municipal tiny towns Park but you got you got five Regional High Schools
you've got schools all over the place that have parking parking areas and Open Spaces you shouldn't just limit it talking but I really strongly suggest you talk to the county you talk to the big townships that have larger vs of land and larger Siz Parks I mean there
are big parks in almost every Township has a very large Park Alexandria the buale park in in uh in uh to no and if you keep the rolling of the eyes and the attitude presentent yourself more more
more professionally you don't want us to yell at you don't if we don't you don't want you present yourself this meeting um and if you want to email me or Mr Glock for ideas about who talk some of these places I'm happy to give you some direction on some of the
elected officials I really am or the schol is anybody else um for the public comment period hi is your name for the record uh benjam Hiatt is it like the hotel yeah like the hotel and your address please 215 Rosemont Ros Road Stockton thank you
uh I came here first of all this is first time caller long time listener of the uh skate uh Facebook group why you donate yeah right um of the Facebook group skate Flemington and I've always been of an advocate for it um and the
building of the skate park in Flemington and I think that this meeting was very important for me and everybody else here in have a kit to understand the financials the insurance um aspects of a situation like this and um not only that
but your guys understanding for the need of this for the Youth in the community um so first of all I want to thank you for um taking the time to listen to us and uh understand that um I think that we got a lot of good information tonight
as far as like why it's just not going to work here and it's really unfortunate I can I know that you guys understand that it's it's important um but like Brian was trying to say I think that we just kind
of need some guidance on where to go and obviously like being you know and not blaming you or them or anything like that but hostile conversation does not help
AG um so I would ask from you guys as a somebody that has been skateboarding for 15 years grew up at Shield skate park I'm not sure if you're familiar um and a member of The 100 Central skateboard Club as a freshman but it was the last
year that they oh no it was when I was a freshman um right as I turned you into a freshman they took away the skateboard club for whatever reason was um but I think the advisor transferred stuff like he yeah I'm not sure it was right as I
was going into my freshman year so um I think that the frustration with the community is the taking away of it like losing Shield skate park back in 2013 was very impactful to me in a negative way for sure and uh not being able to have a skateboard Club in high school
after you know you did skateboard club for a little bit right and um so I I think that Community seeing that being taken away is where their push for another skate park in this area would be Shields was a private facility it was
and it was a you had to pay for a session it was an indoor facility it was you know they paid rent and unfortunately Mr Shields pass away back a couple years ago cancer but um yeah I not really sure what else I want to say
he was I again I really appreciate you guys you did that well you did that very well very elegant thank you yes I mean Delaware Township has a big Park also right on our 23 I think so that yeah I live about two miles down the street I went to Delaware Township and then I
mean it's not maybe in the center of the universe but yeah it's a like there's just so many large municipalities with large parks and large Park options and again I keep looking at the schools you know they have so much many of the schools have so much land and they
already have parking facilities and and playgrounds and and playgrounds and adding something like that right where the kids are just to me like putting something over 100 Central to me makes the most sense or the BMX up like at the
library here in Township makes the second most sense yeah so I think a lot where a lot of kids especially Maya I'm 25 at this point I think where a lot of the youth and the skateboarders in this community like fail to come to a place
like this and discuss with the officials about it is just they're scared to do it they're scared to speak their mind about the opinions that they have I remember when I was in eth grade at Delaware Township School me and my friend who stateboard we went to our principal and we asked her to take club and she was
basically like it's not gonna happen and I failed to what's that but you asked yeah you know and and but you started and and after the time I didn't like I just took it as it's that's it it's not it's never going to happen but if I I
was in eth grade at the time I didn't know critical thinking skills about stuff I I sincerely believe that all seven people sitting up here support the idea of a skate park absolutely because we like in this town especially we like quirky things and you know we just
finished resoning the whole area to like get indoor Recreation indoor activities and things like that we would love somebody build a facility that would put in something like that you know inside private right but I mean we just have the one small Park it's planned and
developed um so if if I may ask me not knowing much about this how come tuck mgen isn't an ideal spot for a skate park so one third of it is underwater yeah one third of it's in flood zone corre and and the including part of the
the uh the including part of the soccer field that you're that you're refering to the other one another one3 is already taken up with the garden and the Pavilion and the um and the eight parking spaces and the
yeah very little parking space it and the rest of it frankly just from a a a civil engineering standpoint it it it just wouldn't work I mean I I I have a little bit of construction background and I can tell you that that uh from a
from a civil standpoint you're going to have a really hard time grading that site and it's meant for Passive Recreation there is much space there it it's not that there isn't some opportunities for something that you
envision um I just I I and I and I apologize for yelling before but I really didn't appreciate the the interrupting constantly and you and Ron have been extremely professional I I we want to help you and
like the idea of having small you know there's some there Ron had mentioned some small um uh pieces of equipment that you can you know install in in interesting places there is opportunity for that in in town educate us but I just I just want
to also emphasize again Municipal parks are supposed to be for municipal use it's this is a little municipality with 5,000 people we have one Park it's not meant to be for the whole County to come and do an activity it's just not that's
not under planning it's just municipalities have little Parks little tiny towns so we are although we're the county seat and we host a tremendous amount of stuff here whether we like it or not it's hosted here um the park is
meant for our our residents our taxpayers it's not meant to the whole County and you know especially me I live outside of town I'm not a Clemington resident but and trust me I'm going to go through that whole petition identify every Fleming tonian that's actually on
there will trust me she will well it doesn't matter because they're all over in New Jersey they're all over New Jersey okay so this is the thing right that's why I'm I'm suggesting you go to either larger townships it may or may not entertain it but the county the freeholders the Commissioners wherever
you want to come go to the county and take a look up the BMX course up at the county library on Route 12 they have a par bucket we have zero for our buet they have an apartment so that's what but that's what I want everybody here to learn as well is like it's this isn't
like uh no you can't have it it might kind of be from the but it's not like it can never ever happen go up to the county park not County Park County Complex on rout 12 go down and find the BMX Port they own so
much land up there it's crazy how much land they have and see how that's situated in the park go and then create a presentation for the County Commissioners talk to them they can spread this out through the whole County it would be a countywide facility which is what you're proposing
for our one square mile town and if that fails how in Central High School go walk around the fields and see if you can site something that Mr V is saying is representing is something not that big but we just don't think like we just don't have the land or the wherewithal
to host a countywide skate park in flon bro Ian alus has been barking up our tree for years and I just don't feel like I don't feel like you've done your research to
option I do need to move on you've been great but but at the end of the day I heard what you guys were asking I'll say it again you were asking for help that's what I think I heard you said right and so I hope that you got some guidance
and some and some glimmer of hope that this is not a thing that's that's dead on the vine but you need to do you need to meet with other people as well so if you got that then I am happy yeah okay thank you have a great have a great day
I'll be happy to help you make that ask with the Commissioners honestly I really would be is that's where it belongs up there we would like your body else from the public have any comments thank you thank you anybody else from the public going
once there's another public comment period later after we do the budget so back on the agenda we have approval of minutes regular meeting February 105 a motion to approve second Sor
second all favor I any opposed executive session February 10 motion to approve there second any oppos all favor I I regular meeting February 2425 a motion to
approve there a second uh all in favor any opposed in agenda resolution 2025 49 resolution authorising the renewal of a taxi license of tax a taxi license for5 is there a motion to approve
is there a second second all in favor okay we have introduction of ordinances ordinance 20 25-8 in ordinance amending section 2012 fees of chapter 20 tax to remove
obsolete references is a motion to introduce can I have a motion please is there a second s second uh does anybody on the council U want any discussion with car can explain this in two minutes
yeah there was a fee for $75 for the police to um inspect the taxi they're not mechanics so we're waving to put my overalls on so I have them get a um letter or whatever
certification from motor vehicle saying that their cars are safe okay okay a roll call please um Council m harus uh yes councilwoman engleheart yes councilwoman fararo yes councilman L yes Council vice president long yes and
council president Parker yes public hearing set for March 24th uh ordinance for introduction 25-9 ordinance amending chapter 26 zoning section 2624 Highway retail HR District of the buau Cod have a motion
to introduce move is there a second Mar second uh any discussion councilman Parky want to explain this the record yes so this is for the shops of Flemington and their Zone as well as
others but you asked me to explain so I was explaining it my way you want me to explain your way you can do it okay okay so but but the point of it is is that we wanted to open it up so that it would um include Maurice um and so that's why
this that was the main focus of this I just don't want anybody thinking it's spot so when you said it's for the shops HR I was concerned about it's fine change huh it's fine change I know it's not spot zoning right for the record for the record not when he said that I want
people thinking is because it's an entire on coun bur okay um yes councilwoman anglehart yes councilwoman furo yes councilman Lev yes Council vice president la yes council
president Parker yes okay uh public hearing March 24th 2025 we have three public hearings ordinance uh 25-5 and ordinance amending chapter 9 a-3 instruction permit keys to create new section 90 9
a-3 I entitled elevator sub code and relocating the current section I to a new location in the municipal code H hearing is now open anybody the public wishing to comment please raise your hand or come to the microphone uh seeing none I I have a
motion to close the public hearing no move is there a second sorry second a roll all in favor I have a motion to uh approve ordinance 20255 public it move is there a second second any
discussion brof please councilman arus yes Council Ang yes councilwoman Soro yes councilman levit yes Council vice president long yes and council president Parker yes motion is successful ordinance 20256 in ordinance
amending chapter 9 a-3 construction permit fees create a new section 9-3 J and relocating the current subsection I entitled construction records clearance to the new subsection J and amending the content thereof can I have a motion to open up the public hearing long there a
second angle second favor public hearing is now open anybody wishing to speak on this ordinance please raise your hand or come to the microphone seeing none can motion to close to the public move is there a second second all in
favor can I have a motion to adopt ordinance 20256 move is there second second any discussion roll call please councilman Aris yes councilman angelart yes counc
yes councilman L yes Council vice president long yes and council president Parker yes motion adopted ordinance 20 2507 in ordinance creating new section 7 416 residential permit parking 24hour and chapter 7 a-21 residential per
permit parking 24hour of the municipal coach creade 24-hour residential permit parking zones in the buau of flamington uh can motion open to the public Sor is there a second alone all in favor I the
the public hearing is now open anybody from public wishing to speak including the gentleman who sat here all night for this moment okay that would be Phil grer West Road for the record the rest of youry anybody else from the public
seeing none can I have a motion to close long move is there a second ankle second all in favor is there a motion to long second who made the motion counc the motion long seconded
um any discussion roll call vote councilman haris yes councilwoman anglehart yes councilwoman farar yes Council Le yes counc vice president long yes and council president par yes thank you it's been great having you guys here for like
the last six meetings you'll be missed hope we never see you okay regular agenda resolution 2550 approving fireworks on July 3rd 2025 with the raing date of July 5 2025 authorizing road closure waving the permit fee have a motion
approve is there a second long a second any discussion I just want to mention that Mar Kan has raised I think about $188,000 so far yeah which is amazing Mark the other day um we should be aware that the cost is going up due to the
expected tariffs on the fire okay good to know uh roll call please councilman Aris yes councilman anglehart yes councilwoman faar yes councilman love yes Council vice president long yes
council president Parker yes tell them to buy now resolution1 resolution supporting publishing legal noce official government websites can I have a motion to approve seconded thank you any discussion roll call please councilman
Arius yes counc anart yes Council fararo yes councilman L yes Council vice president long yes and council president Parker yes Okay resolution 2025 -52 resolution authorizing the mayor and buau clerk to sign the 2023 2026 elected
bargaining agreement with teers Local 469 Representatives representing the Flemington DPW employees I have a motion to approve anle heart will move there a second any discussion roll call vote please councilman Arius yes councilwoman
Englehart yes councilwoman fatara yes councilman L yes Council vice president long absolutely yes and council president Parker yes than long road it is when I took the cler exam the only question I got long
freaking CL who signs these contracts but it was written as a trick question but they a trick question yeah I'm really angry okay work session 2025 budget with CFO hands will start after a brief five
minute break and stretch and so she can come we know that all right we are back uh on the agenda to um our work session to discuss a
proposed budget uh which um I guess law basically my proposal to you all um with bills a lot of mostly bill um and we're hoping to introduce this on March 24th if we can get a
confir tonight which hopefully we can um go ahead we walk everybody through it okay so the budget proposed here is within both the Caps the Appropriations cap and the levy cap um it is $50 under
the Appropriations cap and $212 under the levy cap 50 or 53 it's 50 I have $50 31s right um so there's not much play if you
asked me to add $500 you can't do it um the tax rate um you know as we we discussed with Ed Kerwin the tax ratees a function of what you need to raise from taxes and the assessed value of the pound tax rate would go down 0.007 cents
to a dollar and five cents so per then again the tax rate would go down the tax rate would go down 0.7 cents tax rate the new tax r dides that
come out to for a household $100,000 right so $100,000 um the amount of Municipal tax paid now we're only discussing Municipal Taxes here would go down $715 to $1,519 so $500,000 house employment
it'll go down $35 half correct in taxes yes I mean it's it's a it's a zero budget it's a zero budget increase with a very very very tiny not worth mentioning decrease okay yeah and as Ed said the average house in the town is uh
$371,500 so even though the tax rate goes down the amount they're paying is going up by $35.69 because of um their house so you're proposing we're going to introduce a flat budget no increase a
slight decrease but most taxpayers in this town or all are going to yell that they have a tax increase but it's going to be because their biggest asset that they own has gone up in value corre you will get those that their assessment didn't go up and they'll not see that
big increased that not big increased would not see as much of an increase there if their house stayed the same you know as as last year their house was 340,000 just like last year their their taxes would go down
$22.9 okay any questions for bill so far but we all got our cards right everybody everybody got their green cards from the county I know what mine went up so ugly so okay keep going bill so I
thought an interesting note was um back in 20123 we kind of plotted out what we thought the next uh five years were going to be for the the tax rate you know and we we thought there was like a sweet spot where we needed to reach and I had anticipated the rate was going to
be 1.05 but now it's 1.05 2 this year so we're very close within 0.19 um okay so the budget has um within it an increase of 125,00 for Capital
Improvements um this is a 20.1% increase Insurance went up 17,400 which is a 21.4% increase is that health insurance health and regular Insurance okay 170,000
170,000 and what was the percentage INE that was 2141 this is actually all uh in here um towards the middle you'll see the charts um the budget goes this it
actually has by category what the percentage change was right here is that what you sent us need toart yeah don't know why the numbering didn't work every other year I had
numbers in it so I'm not really sure and are going this the budget appropriation comparison page you're talking about yeah I got it yeah so I was just uh you know highlighting the big ones health and dog
regulation went up 300 ,000 but that's a uh you know since it's such a small budget that's 10.91% it went up um and the budget as a whole went up $123,700
increase which under inflation is really really good considering what's happening so as um on that same chart you still the fourth column over it's percentage of the total budget the
insurance which is health and liability insurance is 11.02% of the total budget DPW in buildings and grounds is uh 4.3% debt is 99.48% capital is 8.55 pension Social Security is
10.9 Emergency Services is [Music] 24.39% so emergency services does that include our contribution to Fem rare emergency Squad and the fire department department but the bulk of police OEM
fire department and okay resc the rescue squad and fire department are part of that number yes um there are um Capital Appropriations for them are not that's within the capital line because we do have I think like 30,000
forc squ or something capital so the debt Services explain that again so The Debt Service um is the total amount of principle and interest we pay on debt and it's
um also included so you know how we've been paying off additional principle of um things that have not been borrowed yet well we we paid off everything everything that we have is either in temporary perum financing right now so
we PA off everything that wasn't financed in some way so you'll see and if you go through the actual budget you'll see the uh Bond anticipation note payments increase because it's within that because we borrowed the money for the uh fire truck which we're getting in
a couple weeks um so that went from week next week well I did a check tonight so it so that went from short-term financing it went from it went from not being financed and just being financed through budget Appropriations to being
on a not so okay so now now the payments are much larger which they're much larger include interest which before we were trying to pay it off as much as we could before interest is involved um but now you know we have to come up with the
1.6 million to pay um so in total how much did we pay what and you said that we we were trying to pay off as much before that hit how much did we actually how how much was the actual cost I can't remember well I'm just saying as a we didn't pay off anything of the fire
truck I'm saying we paid off other ordinances oh okay and what we were trying to do when we when we did that was to create a flat um Debt Service amount with the anticipation of how of
this fire truck and and all that coming on board um which is what we did with we you know the past couple years could put in a little bit more correct the last few years right we put in you know I think it was about 200,000 a year right so now that's in The Debt Service part
but this is you know this is the big night in 2022 it was a $50,000 down payment on a $1.6 million firet Tru so you know we're would have been nice to have a half a million dollars to put down instead um that money was put for
police building and some road project so it is what it is so if you go two more pages you'll see the revenue uh budget revenues comparison it shows that local revenues
which like I was saying are the court um court fees and um food licenses um interest income stuff like that make up um a total of 6.81% the
budget uh State AIDS 4.47 construction code fees is 3.42 uniform fire safety that minimal is 0. 29 um but you could see that the majority of our taxes almost 75%
74.7 uh perc of the budget is is funded through taxes the amounts were used using of uh fund balance to offset this budget we're able to decrease the amount used by 70,000 last year we used 300,000 this
year I have that we're using 230,000 um just to try we're trying to keep that number healthy we're still in the works that we're having issues with trying to figure out um the tax stuff from last
year so I don't have the exact fund balance number yet but I'm hoping by tomorrow we should have that number and I can give it to everybody so you could see I mean just in case anybody doesn't know this our text uh collector severely broke her leg in one of the ice storms
and needed surgery and she is trying to work from home um and it's going to be laid up for a while so she hasn't been in the office in about a month Carla um so that's why we don't have certain
things done because of that um so um I was going to answer a question on the numbers oh the 230 instead of the
300,000 um is that working towards keeping like growing our Surplus correct so that we get to that magic that magic percentage that we're striving for correct to make everybody happy between in companies and our auditor yes and
that's an anticipation of us having to permanently Finance this fire truck in the next probably year or so so if we can build up our Surplus show them we're in you know progressing with that nicely they might increase our bond rating therefore reduce our interest rate that
is the goal that's the goal it's hard to do with a little municipality but um I think I think they were pretty impressed how far we' come when they did the rating last year I really do no I I have a question so grants it has a negative
100% because we haven't received any yet this year they usually come in like April May um do we know what grants were participating so we usually get the clink news Grant recycling tonage um
outb education alled isn't there sober one the what the now it's funded directly through um through Somerset hunter in Co-op now you just sent me tonight we got the $10,000
ema4 they are I know I can't tell you what P but it's in there want to read them Susan uh uh what the ones we got in the past me drunk driving enforcement fund alcohol Rey Body arm over limit under arrest
FEMA NPP NPP Grant local clean energy car granty H State Recreation communities recycling tonage a lot so those are state grants
right there's a couple County grants in that list count one Federal at least most our yes by the time you so this has to be received before it's adopted not
introduced right no you mean if you want to put in the budget I think we have to it would depending on the amount no because if if you change a budget line item by more than 10% or something you have to advertise and you wouldn't be able to
adopt right at that point you just do the chapter one so whenever what's ever there when we introduce is what's there yeah sometimes you'll see you know if there's something I get after the fact after we adopt the budget I could do a chapter 159 which inserts that
that okay so just to refresh everybody's memory and or anybody else's memory a 159 is unexpected Revenue basically so if count decides to go out with another Recreation Grant and get $50,000 from them that goes into the
chapter 159 so that allows you then to spend the money right away rather than wait till the next year right $5,000 in here for the the fire on our
part of the fireworks I think it's under that is that underation yeah so so here's my question I mean I kind of want to go through this in terms of
the by department and by by funding um so let's just look at for instance Public Safety right so we have fire what is other expenses for fire department other expenses that's just their their
um basic needs you knowes the drugs you know small equipment that they buy that would be Capital so it's operations yes okay and then when we look at ex wages and salaries let's look at the police department did we put in
for a full-time so um um secretary yes so in the budget we have um 25,000 for a part-time secretary and 40,000 for a special police officer but why are we getting in a special police officer right now that doesn't make sense we
don't have a problem yet and also there's money for a new DPW the new DPW okay but let's just stick with the police department so my point of it is the police department needs a full-time secretary so we need to make sure they have a full-time secretary the thing
with with another police coming on this is not the time to do that yet we don't have a problem yet so why are we budgeting for a problem that we don't have I'm adamantly opposed to that Jerry asked for it he asked for two we I mean I talked to Jeremy about it he said
agree to one so I the budget that way I want to have a full-time secretary yeah does that impact getting a fulltime got 50 $50 to cut or to spend so if you don't want the special you'll take part of that salary and putting as
a secretary you do that no it's all the same line it do so between those two positions you have 65,000 but it could be done sure we need that first we we need the secretary listen the the other
thing and wait the secretary we need they need a secretary there so that is what I'm encouraging you all to and there secretar is going to be doing using doing the parking right secret be doing whatever I mean but the secretary also needs to do the
POS because right now the police bring over the PO for our CFO to do and feeling department so secretary needs to be trained on that for sure it's fine we can talk about her duties but the is are her duties but the point of it is they
need a full-time secretary so that's what need first we also need then to get some of the new Superior officers on the road because right now they're doing paperwork so if there's going to be a fulltime secretary then we should have more cops down the street but that's jemy comes in he he's
got that taken care of I'm not going to listen All I'm saying is they need a full-time secretary after that I don't care that's what they need because when I was there there was it just does not work without one so let's do that the one for the for the special police off
that can wait until 2026 as far as because we don't have a problem yet I don't know why we're doing stuff that we don't have a problem all good joh we're all good we're all in agreement on that can I ask you I know this is not nearly well hold ons we're in agreement with that but I just want to make sure
Bill are you saying that the money is in here for the full-time secretary but then there would be money left over because we're not going to use all of that money well I don't know how much you're going to pay then you said jury never submitted a budget so oh so so wait a minute he did he he he did did he
he absolutely did we talked about this several times didn't give one to me the delegated authority didn't give it to you as a CFO so we talked about South and he went off of the last salary of the but there I mean with $65,000 you'll be able to hire somebody and then
they'll be left over money in a salary and wages line that's all that's what I'm asking yes that my question there's yes enough for you to do what you need so there's money left in Lang that's so we need to H me or made at some point we can
or you could hire someone for a month or whatever yeah okay so the step on so we don't need to touch the number we don't need to touch number okay unless you're GNA pay more than 65,000 that I I I I know it's probably
in here somewhere I'm hoping but I had asked about um uh a little budget for the park cleanup and the port poies did we get that in there for the park P parties for the Park yeah we had talked about that talk about P parties
uh well I think I asked I I'm looking at Tony here I don't know he no I know we we did we did you got that we did have that discuss okay so I we are a 1.1 square mile town and in 20122
councilwoman and talked about bringing imported John to the park because of the community park which is for the community garden which is only used by residents and I publicly said why would you do that and the entire Council including Council will agreed people can
go home and use their bathrooms instead of us paying thousands of dollars for reportage on every Sunday there's a ton of families there that use that Park a ton they use it every single Sunday there's a a really large group of
Municipal residents that use that Park every week so it was taken away during Co and it was something that realized and one of the reasons it was taken away also was you really need to talk to B to my Campion about this because people were tipping
them right I do remember that so I mean all the time it wasn't like we're it was happening a lot so I personally I don't know the solution for the Tipping I just don't yeah not having portons in the park iser the level here
um so so but but I think the point hold on so if there is a soccer game going on for instance because that's what we're going to work towards soccer bu and a volleyball F and there's
no bathroom what have they do that's the question well when like I'm G to play Devil's Ain on what you what just happened with the special we don't have that problem right now so why are we talking about it but when are we going to put in the soccer fi he's working to put thism
every I just to say that growing up in a small town literally a town that makes this one look we would just like go home you go home or you go off in the woods I mean like neighbor you the woods kids out thereor every I I just remember playing
Little League Baseball the only girl I went home because they now tip portons for fun okay but that's all well and good but going back to what what Brandon is saying he's looking to do something this summer he's looking to do something this
summer so he's doing something this summer and going home and etc etc it depends on where you live at home first of all and going to a neighbor's house is probably not an option we live in a different time people this is not this is not when we go well I wouldn't go to a neighbor's house we
go on the I mean a little have with about the problems or you know I don't know if I don't know if Sergeant m in on the on the P shoes that we had over there so here's the
question how how often was it happening oh was happening two three times a year over there and there's no way to bolt them down or like we put a camera on it lights or something I'm good serious I got I mean I'm looking seasonal maybe
you just do it seasonal well that Park I mean I'm thinking about Parks I've been to that had the POR John there's people there for all day events All Day activities it makes sense talk M Park you tell me is it is it people hanging out for hours and hours upon birthday
certain days Family Affair there the only way you comat it is you have to bring in a p John that's on some sort of trailer that's not typical I mean are these people that are renting the Pavilion siging up and renting
the they bring they bring their volleyball net and they set that on basketball so let me ask a question is it seasonal or is it all the time it's three qus of a year okay but so what I'm I guess I'm trying to do a work around
if you did it seasonal we know the summer might be the from the spring to the to fall might be the busiest time that be a statement so maybe it's the thing that we bring in seasonal and then win you you don't have it in what I just
think we should give it another chance there's there's been a lot I think we should find out how much it cost I I well yeah well I had given you that that I'm Sor do you have any IDE for I think it's probably about $400
a month a month how is that for just one just one yeah out that's $2,400 for six months well let's see be like a the only way to do that is then to reduce the
salary line item for this $65,000 in the police department because that's way too much money for a secretary and take 2400 out of that and put it in Recreation is that what people want to do we need a little money for the for the we need a little money for the
cleanup and the and the pter Potty that's what the parks um so so the question is is that there's money left over from we salary so we can redistribute that money yeah right so how much is a little money
from for cleanup season well I paid for the most out of my own pocket last year so um it was it was about $3 $400 Max so 2400 and 34 so if you put $3,000 into Recreation and take it out of the police
salary line so that brings six down for a secretary there's and that's BL way out our salary guideline anyway so that's $62,000 now right what else can you just explain you said we
got $50 for the cap right below the cap yeah yeah um I forget the calculation of cap essentially like what is the so I know we've gone over it before I it's great that you're that
question I'm really no no I am I'm doing it anyway though you are so the the appropriation sta is what we're $50 under so how you come up with the Appropriations cap it's actually in in our budget it's a sheet
in our budget you take last year Year's total General Appropriations you subtract out um interlocal Services Capital Improvements Debt Service grants deferred charges and your reserve for
uncollected taxes to give you a base amount which our base amount is um 5 million 89320 then you're allowed to do 2 and a half% on top of that and uh
so that brings you to 5,954 th000 then you're allowed to add money for um new construction so that's another thing that Ed does any new construction um that came in
after um last year's tax U assessments were done it's called new construction so we're allowed to add that as an item of Revenue which equates to uh 24,00 804 so anyway in the end the amount we're
allowed to maximum Appropriations with all this is 6,23 31581 and our total General Appropriations with what we have is 6,23 26550 which is we're under about
$503 um so it doesn't matter that we're not technically touching the tax rate at all no like it doesn't so it doesn't count regardless of you know we could it sounds like we couldn't T it even if we wanted to correct that that is
Appropriations cap so even if you said well I want to use up all our surf quests that doesn't help this at all you're you're limited in that um amount with the Appropriations you're limit capped on your Appropriations um now the levy cap
that's the different story that's the amount that you actually um bill out to the people the tax levy um and that amount is calculated you take last year's amount to be raised by taxation and then there's things that you exclude
which is deferred charges um health insurance increase there's a whole calculation on health insurance increase pension obligation increase Capital Improvement increase Debt Service and deferred charges to Future
taxation um and so basically you subtract all those out you're allowed to add the 2% on top of it and also the the new rable number that I said with Ed also comes into that play with this also so you get
to add that 24,000 to there so the maximum amount we're allowed to raise by taxation is 6,549 1111 we're at 6,548 899 so that's $212 under
so you know that could be affected that if you used up more Surplus that would reduce that number then we move back into more going the opposite direction correct I've got multiple things that
are restraining us here and none of them can exceed either that two and a half% or the 2% it's all a constrained within that no matter of what yes cool that's St um another thing not that it's really going to impact what we're doing here right
this minute but none of our uh sites have their pilots haven't started paying have they they not so we're not looking at that at all here don't they have to start something within five years there's a there's isn't there a fiveyear requirement when we went to the
municipalities there construction you mean yeah I I don't I I don't remember what it what it was I said into some some session down at the league and there was something that had to start within 5 years not the construction it's
not the pilots because that's all based on contract yeah I don't it it related to the pilots though I sat in that that program I I'll look at my notes you don't if you don't know what I'm talking about it's not a payment because the payments are generated based on the hotel it's based on revenue and the
apartment is based on it's not based on occupancy but it's it's based on them being rented yeah no I realized that I just there was there was something that has to trigger in five years maybe but I I I have to look at my notes would know he deals with them all the but that's
not know that's going to hit until 2026 because because the hotel is not going to be finished until what September or whatever right but but there is money coming from isn't there money coming from bone there's there's there is the a
million dollars that there's a million 75 coming from loan probably I think in March or uh April or May that is restricted to be used for Capital infrastructure has to be used for him first if he needs any improvements it
could be used for anything Capital including debt payment or Capital Improvements infrastructure and then he's giving us a quarter of a million dollars towards the new well at the police building he's giving us $130,000 towards purchasing an easement
and developing another well uh it's the easement the permitting and the engineering for another well over at the golf course which just changed owner so that's going to be all new negotiations uh because the old owners didn't sell Seas before they so we're
getting that but um and then we're getting the building 30 days after there's another period so sometime early summer we'll be getting the Allies building which build
has strongly recommended return and flip uh because as he as he is well aware government doesn't own buildings well and really stinks as landlords so that money is not restricted if we sell if we sell the Allies building that
would go right into Surplus for now and then could be used to offset tax increases for probably a couple of years it would be put in an account called sale Municipal property so I'm seeing Capital Improvement fund
what is what is in the capital Improvement fund it's $300,000 So based upon what you're saying and all the other things where's I'm just trying to understand where is that some place that we can see it this is what it's going to go for no the capital Improvement fund
so the capital Improvement fund what is that for what is that going to so we had um was it 40,000 I think for your life the traffic light um oh the reticulated reticulated flashing
lights right that's that's in that line that's six yeah that's for Six Lakes down street that's Six Lakes down mine [Music] street we have 100,000 in there every
year so it's only 200,000 difference I think so I'm trying to think what that extra one was was it for the pad the fire department building to get fixed okay but I'm I'm sorry but maybe I'm missing something so we send cap I
hear I hear about the the million dollars and you're saying it's going to go for this it's going to go for this it's going to go for this where's all that written no so the the million dollars that we're getting from theone that's not in the budget at all because we understood so we don't have it
written anywhere until probably next year but what it can be used for is in the Redevelopment agreement that's a contract we have that you guys voted for that's right in there agreement you understand what I'm asking
maybe I'm just maybe I'm not Mak myself clear I'll I'll Reas it okay okay so let's just let's just deal with this for right now so we've got the capital Improvement but we the only thing we know for sure that's in there are the are the the lights the lights plus we always put out we've been putting ,000
in just to build that up so that we can have money to you need 5% down if you want to ever do a bond for anything you know understood so from last year was there any M remaining in that last year
we didn't use any last year so yes we've been building up that okay so so then then so we're just adding on to what we have so we're accumulating funds so so so I'll tell you how much we and while you're doing that so so
like the fire department spoke to me the other night and I'm just I'm just relaying information I'm not in favor this one way or another but they mentioned that there is a an engine that's in Better condition and younger than one of our engines for sale by another municipality right now and the
asking price is $400,000 and so if we actually wanted to entertain buying it for $400,000 we'd have to put 20 we'd have to put down 5% to buy it which is $20,000 that would come out of this
Capital inment fund that's what you have it there for basically is for stuff like that or if there was an emergency right so let's see how much we have in there so as of December 31st we have 3 33,900 in there so that that's the number so was
was none of that used last year uh no no didn't last year and the money in that Capital Improvement fund goes toward when the bond people are looking at us and and that looks favorably on us
correct well it looks it also helps if you just um you know said you you needed to buy a dunk truck $50,000 you could technically just buy it directly out of that rather than borrow well we always have some sort of police car that gets
to an accident yearly so that would be another thing that never go they on duty either I say well no but that comes out of Capal Improvement when there's an emergency can't no but wait a minute what there's $145,000 in police
equipment what is that in there is a vehicle yes exactly that's where I was going it has nothing unplanned vehicle no no that's a new vehicle that's that's planned I see what you're you're talking about when something Happ be something that happens with one of our DW trucks
or our police truck cars y accident happen and then the building Improvement what is that I just I just want to open discussion so everybody knows what's going in building improvements no idea the building improvements that's where the um pad for the fire is that where
you put it okay yeah it's there what the the pad for the fire department they have to regraded and re-engineered because it's dumping water in the building and it keeps cracking and creting problems we also need to get new windows for well I was going to say what what are we doing about this building
for these people who work here are we saying is in there okay so it's in there to do that you want to do that we get the FEA funds I'd love to find a grant for that but we don't just I haven't seen I have
one for the windows and doors well it's Frozen right now oh Well's going to be frozen for a while we have I have some changes that have to go through per Hazard mitigation County just approve them and then we have to reintroduce it and then we can seek the
funding if it's reopened it's in our energy PL that's an argument for that would not guarantee listen I'm in contact with Washington DC every day of my life right now I would not guarantee anything for FEA right now I would not nothing I would not let's let's
proceed let's get back on let me finish please so if we don't have it we don't have this we do have the funding to replace the windows correct okay that's all I want to know thank you all right that's also what you know the capital
Improvement funds us building that up we can okay you would just have to do an ordinance appropriating the funds if you want to do okay okay let's just let just want to make sure because I see all these things in here about grants Adu and I I just
don't I'm not gonna Bank on any of that for this year next year or did you ask about what's the shade tree line item in there what the capital Improvement Capital Improvement yeah that's for the purchase of their their trees that that is for
the adop three program okay I kept looking for it I was like I have no idea where you're getting the rest of this money you're talking about but that makes a lot more sense now thank you last year we replaced it with the tree fund Revenue corre that develop
budget did we um we go get all those I'm sorry I made finle a question yeah I didn't have a question I I don't know if we did we talk about the uh the lights that are
going across M Street the that's in the Capal yes that's in the capital that's what he Wasing so everybody's fine with the three of them but six of them it's sex well it's one one three three pairs of Ls that's what I meant by three but just to be clear I
mean sure we're approving this and it's in a fun and we can choose to use it for that correct but it's not like once we pass this not like oh it's set in stone right up until we pass a resolution or whatever saying buy the lights it's General Capital Improvement fund you
would have to approve a you know a contract right but you're showing us where the money how the money is clear to be clear Trend yeah when you approve this budget um it frees up money so that my Campion can go and buy tools and lad
gasoline he doesn't have to cover the council and ask well exactly and there's a there's a balance between that right like it's very hard to tell what in here is like yeah sure like that where it's like all right my campion's in charge operating he's just gonna go do that
right uh versus okay this is a massive expense that has to approve so it's where it's fun from so an operating expense the staff can go yeah of course you know and so I mean an elected official says what do you mean just bought 100 rings of paper well it was
you got to vot in the budget you're free to do that you voted for it so that's why that you go down line by line on the budget I mean I'm this is this is me from from corporate I I I I never take anything when I see other expenses there is an antenna that goes up in my head
saying okay exactly what are other expenses well this is what I mean like we have this I look at everything here and you're telling me like I ask you about any individual item you're like yes I have that is for these lights on here I do not see that I don't know that
specific line I'm to go through there is a no no no it's not ridiculous that's what you're supposed to do with the budget you're supposed to go line item by line item what is in the budget what is in other expenses what exactly what it is I'm sorry but I am not going to
vote on a budget until I know exactly what's in it because it doesn't make sense because I don't want any surprises and I certainly don't want someone to come back and say well you guys voted on it because that's what we will hear so my point to you is this is my recommendation and and you guys can disagree with me if you want that's fine
but what I actually think is things like when we look at other expenses exactly what is all this stuff made up of I just see a lump sum I would never approve a budget with just a lump sum and not know what's in it and that's why I'm asking these questions because I want to
understand what are we getting ourselves into and if you're saying that we're going to be that tight which I do appreciate and I'm not going to try to wig out of that then maybe the question is well do do we not give this so much money and give it to this I mean it it's
kind of like that but we maybe we do we collectively need to understand what it is can can I just say so what these other I've been doing this so long I forgive me because I have been doing this in a really long time other expenses are everything but salary and
wages so it's the paper for every Department it's Inc for every Department it's your phone expenses it's all broken out so then fine break it out in Corporate America it doesn't work any differently let me please let me just
say that in 2023 when I became mayor and I went through this budget with a f CH com with Bill there I have no problem get having Bill give every one of you the full chart of accounts with every line item behind every single line here
please know there is very little fatness budget our staff works extremely leanly and and if no there's one thing right because I because I mean a lot of governments want to go in and start cutting things and you know you have to
cut a lot of paper to get to the $330,000 one cent budget cut get question the point of it is is everybody needs to know Brandon is very new to this Brandon needs to understand what this is made up of that this is the
point I it it is let's give people the information if they don't want to look at this fine at that what do we need bill bill is going to email all of you bill is going to email all of you tomorrow or the day after the entire
chart of accounts once he fixes whatever numbers he has to fix they'll email you the entire chart of accounts and you can see exactly what is under other expenses for every single department and then that will allow us to ask questions if we have
questions so what I'm asking now is to be able to put this on for in for the 24th you email Bill any questions you have or call him between now and Friday whatever that date is the 21st so he can
answer them so he can introduce on the 24th so you'll have you'll have you know 12 so we don't so we don't over ask ask questions like I know everybody wants like maybe want more in depth detail are there like certain categories like okay
um this is an office in terms of office expenses are office uh tools versus office um equipment like yeah what you're saying because I'm gonna tell you what you guys because I I work in amer
too and reported into CFOs and CEOs um getting at that Mo that granular of a level to try and get down that deep like BR you're not going to get every single line item like if car B's a buck 50 for a ruler there office supplies and
there's office office operational expense toner those types of things that come across the board just be sensitive to the fact that we don't want to bury him under all this man he doesn't have that man anyway he doesn't know how any but but he
has most most departments have maybe like five sub accounts you know office supplies those five accounts maybe like so across every Department put all those five Subs into one bucket so we I'm sorry what does loap mean
l program the fire department they each get I think it's 1150 re re account for the volunteers Financial ad is that is that you that's okay that's you the deputy direct oh just
the very so Bill in the Char of accounts are each department like the phone bill are they each assigned a portion of the phone so that falls under what department there's a telephone line so
all right okay so under the chart of accounts under other everybody's got a supplies line supplies contracts uh training I can't get in because 10 o'clock our um finance software goes to
backup so I can't you don't get okay so that's have a cop so so uh that would be under service agreements one
so Bill speaking of which moving from this ridiculous rack space to is that cost in here yes that's in that would be a computer xense okay okay because that's the kind of stuff we need to know because I know that we talked about it but I haven't heard anything
since then but we definitely need to get off the black space it's all these little things that that we just asked the questions about is that in there is that in there that's the kind of stuff that I like to see you want me to start that process I mean I don't think the council has to do any action on that right to switch to uh Microsoft that's
what I'm wanting to turn my phone on for I hate doing things out of budget I hate do things out of budget I think we need to wait to the budget as long as we know the question really is is it end the answer is yes we just need to see where it is so that that's that's why I'm asking for details
because we would not have known that's in there so maybe we can brainstorm each of us and if there are questions or concerns about like the little depth that you need we send those to bill by a certain day's send the entire Charter count budget to all of you okay and then what
I'm asking you to do is either call him or email him with a question and when he answers it he can answer it back to all of you perfect so that and blind them all so that everybody can see the questions that were asked and the answers that we're given that's there no conversation
keep all right you guys good thank you thanks all right uh anything else for Bill it's just about 10 o'clock turn it into a pumpkin my husband just called me it feels good
looking at say it's N I feel like it's n but I hate all right we do not have payment of bills um I'm going to take sign uh can I have a motion authorizing payment of bills in the amount of
$31,385 is there a second all please councilman yes Council engart Council
yesc yes counc vice president yes and council president Parker yes we have no executive session don't forget our next meeting on the 24th 6 o'clock close session uh to talk about uh parking
meter public States so the regular 7 o' start and hopefully we'll be a budget motion faor good