car all right order States stands this meeting is called pursuant to the provisions of the open public meetings law this meeting on of April 2nd 2025
posted on the bulle board bur Hall in addition to copy of this meeting notice is and has been available to the public and is in on file in the office of the bur clerk roll call please councilman councilman Arius here uh uh councilwoman
uh Englehart here councilwoman farara here Council love here Council vice president long here council president Barker here and mayor car here okay uh the purpose of this meeting tonight is
for a work session to discuss uh additional budget requests made by the council uh made from departments and boards and commissions by the council um which were submitted to our CFO on
for the 31st of March um the CFO did send out a new budget indicating with these requests the budget was going to go up $195,000 taxes would increase two and a half cents uh over what he originally uh submitted at
0% um so they lay before you and [Music] um this most most l in uh what I would address I would term the um Emergency Services Fields but there are some in others as well we had two um boards that
actually went down in their budgets environmental and planning boards um other than that uh a number of them stayed the same uh there were a few slight increases due to inflationary costs um but then there were some
extraordinary requests so um what Bill gave us tonight do not have the cool nice neat little highlight we had from when he sent us online um so um I'm not really sure how to start with
this because I I would personally say let's go do a RW Bill and go back to the 24th of March and just put that in but that's not I'm not the one making the cuts tonight but I can talk about some of them and make suggestions but the council asked for this so $195,000 with
the cuts under state law Council so you want to start with um start with start with so before you start let's to be very clear of why we did this because there was not a process in place that's why we did it we went
back to make sure that we got a process in place based upon a con based upon a conversation that we had with Bill so we're going to do the budget right and if this is where it is then we will look to say what is not proper and what is
problem to get back to where we need to be but at the end of the day when I see things going down and some things going up but a lot of things coming down that raises a flag in my head to say yes that's why we need to do this process that's I just want to make that clear
okay that's fine I mean the planning board budget went down $2,500 I'm just I'm just putting that out Environ that went down but so let's start with the councilman was smart to to put out the highlighted one I don't have the highlighted one so you want to
just walk us through the things that went up and we can talk about you know the ones that you highlighted bill um and you can just let us know where they are for those of us that didn't print out a copy um so the the cler we line went up
to 24,000 from 18 now is because of I guess you were anticipating additional cost I guess you were anticipating the additional costs for the code and stuff like that yeah the eode
election it's time to do the administrative code update it always costs a couple a thousand dollars it's at least couple thousand right and what was the other one they seem to go up I didn't call Mary to get
a number but okay I can well and so this doesn't include things like cost of paper going up I'm sorry can can I Dr for a minute what page are you going to both the first first page F under clerk it's 24,000 so the Highlight didn't show
up on The copier it's Incas okay sorry to interrupt thank you so Carl said that again so it went from 18 to 24 so tell me why it went from 18 to 24 Sor um like I said is this is
for what are we on other expenses this yeah okay so ecode that's all the ordinances on what is eode I'm sorry all the ordinances on the um okay on the um website okay um
um um elections okay um do you have my budget that um well I just gave you when you say elections what does that really mean what does that mean election for um doing printing the
ballots okay um here you're lucky because you use this room but the church the church has not asked us for money yet but some of the churches do um so a lot they the county bills us for thing for the elections okay is it because
it's a gubernatorial election that you're expected to be the funding know that was that was it might be a little but it does go up who pays the actual po workers Board
of Elections pay for cost I love this state what I said I love this state maybe $300 for the [Music]
um you know for um off well I don't know if he has office supplies somewhere else um conferences um yeah know you ask for a little bit more for conferences conferen for conferences for yourself for myself like next week I'll be at the clerk's conference okay get my all my
C it's I don't think we I don't think any of us knew what this was all about I'm just thinking off the top of my head what all this stuff so originally it was 185 yeah when he first and I did like 2% or whatever just to cover who's to say
I'm going to spend that much money but it's have it in the budget when you do a p you do it a little higher yeah but the 185 that's not a number you gave the 24 is the number you gave right right yes okay last year was 18 and did
you spend that I um it'll show you how expenses last year it was 18,000 and you came in at 17939
83 16,000 in 2023 it was 15990 so you can see on that second line for pretty much one two three past three years the expenses have gone up and I would anticipate More's going to be more expensive well the expenses went up but did we SP no that's that wasn't that
wasn't the question the question was did you spend the 18 that's what I'm I'm not looking at the sheet that's what I'm asking about just but we never know we have emergency no never know perfectly understandable I'm just asking the
question yeah bill that's okay I can't find it I answered everything it's okay it's okay I think I we gotta yeah and right Bill who's to say I would spend the 24,000 yeah unless like our office falls apart and I
need so so every year Carla you spend just slightly under the budget request you've G up a couple thousand every year has been increased and you stayed in that right so can you live with 20,000 instead of 24 last year it was what 17 you
said that's why I'm trying to understand if that's why I keep asking what was actually spent and what was actually spent was in 18,000 question so it was 18,00 000 and it went
from 16 to 18 that's $2,000 of an increase and so now we've gone from another $2,000 to almost what is it um yeah yeah so I could say then we'll put a question
that we know that okay I have a question about the e code um I know we've had some issues with that particular service and the past are they treating you better this year are you getting the better service than yet last year and I
have a contact now that de it directly I just wanted to make sure that what we're paying for is wor B I know that was a problem in the past I'm glad to hear it yeah I contact that go so Carla say she can live with 20,000 the council
president put a question mark on it um the next one though a question wait no there's one that says something about Municipal law use is thatp La my thing is cut off here oh
here just my you have color that's very ni right well that's how I'm going my died tonight so so we so what is this why is this highlight it went from 50,000 to 42550
Dr and that's because they didn't spend they spent under 145,000 last year they spent below their budget last year so they asked for basically what they spent correct but Karen was able was able to shave a little bit more off just to be
well it's also because I mean there was one year where almost every single person was like five people had to get class classes appointments to the playing board and that 42550 because I'll have to take the classes so explain to me
what's in the 42 so for classes and what else just out of our just so that we know because I know nothing about so what's in the 422 like what does that so so the acceler in which is it's just the secretary understood that ask it's your
planner your engineer your traffic engineer attorney for all the work they don't do under estro which is you know work that they do for the planning board so like last year they wrote the checklist right the big checklist to
keep us to get the town into compliance to get better information from um applicants who were threatening lawsuits if we didn't just automatically deem them Complete because we didn't have a checklist um would have been arguing over a checklist for years so last year
a lot of work was done to get a checklist in place the the burough Council passed the ordinance to update the checklist ordinance in our EOD and um so that work is paid for by the buau it's not by the plan board it's not paid
by esro from applicants okay that's last year what about this year what does this makeup for this year it's for it's the cushion for anything planning board does yeah it's got nothing but what do we anticipate that the planning board's going to do I guess I can go through it thank you okay
historical commission zero office supplies 100 conference meetings trainings 150 we actually increase that because we have two now right three three okay so that's going to be an increase membership fees dues 500 in line with
previous spend that's to yeah uh legal I'm sorry yes it shouldn't but okay so legal let me keep let me go through it so legal 11,000 lower than previously requested but in line with the actual spend last
year similar workload is expected this year engineer $112,000 lower than previously requested but in line with actual spend and similar workload expected this year other professional 18,000 higher than previously requested
but in line with last year's actual spend total for all Prof professionals is 41,000 which overall was lower than last year's request of 43,000 and in line with an actual spend of $39536
15 postage $0 in line with previous years advertising 500 in line with previous years and based on current expected workload requiring advertising that's how you get the total of 42,500 which is lower than last year's
of 45,00 regarding the advertising that's like for the notices if I'm correct so we have to we have to do those there's no way around it El just kind of still going back to the notices did go that's right because
we have fewer so we're hoping that they change it where we could post it on our website that would be wonderful if we could do that so we hav go to the newss now right there's no newspapers now well The Courier that's what I use and is that
staying I don't know but I gota pay the Bucks I believe can we get a subscription to a courier so you don't have to pay for an affidavit sure like would that be cheaper I could email them they send the affidavit if I ask or not and they don't
charge because I know some places charge $50 for no she said it was my know this okay I like that in my yeah I'll have to email her then there's a so Bill did
other like as I look through this line item should everybody be able to do what I just did hereon couldn't complete it so everybody else up here will be able to do what I just did correct what do you mean do what you just did going right L line item by line item okay perfect so I'm still gonna go back to
this I don't think I heard an answer unless I missed it but I hear the the professional fees I understand but if it's if it went up for legal what are we anticipating that's going to be happening because obviously are there projects that are coming up that you
that it's going to that is going to cost more I'm just trying to understand what's on the doct is that an unreasonable question well I have when you're done I have no I'm just asking if it's an unreasonable question I'm just asking the question like if like if there's planned expense like you know like oh we know you know we want to
tackle this list of things there's not a list of things this is what one of the things I want to do is look at the everybody wants to sign that's the thing getting that sign they know that they also want to revisit the bylaws because um like I'm myself
and my Campion we're all grossing about this 11 o'clock stop time you want to have no new testimony start you know after 9:30 at night the way R Township does it that's a bylaw change so that's requires you know if we're going to open up the bylaws we're going to look at other stuff as well for the bylaw so
that's that's Caris fine so those are the kinds of things that I know um are on the list and of course there other issues may arise throughout the course of the year that need to be tackled or dealt with yeah but that's I'm just asking when the council when the council
sends down at ordinance like we did with the um Distillery ordinance recently that comes out of that their budget because we don't have an asro account but that was unplanned I was asking if plan you just answered my question so
that's the question just I'm just trying to understand what's the makeup of this barring any emergencies so for instance I had I had fed go through and give us every project they're going to work on and when you look at their budget it is
absolutely spelled out by project that's what I'm asking so guess what I'm say but it's okay I heard but I I I just heard what there are projects that may cost more money to have because more legal that's asking I don't think that's a hard question but council president when you said at the one of the last
meetings that the pl that the council is going to do some zoning it still requires under the law the planning board to review it we don't have an eser account that we pay them back okay but that's fine then zoning is a part of the project so then take the zoning as well
that's all it's all good it's all good can I can I maybe reward the question a little bit differently um when you when we moved from the budget of 40 to 45 last year one of the things um uh you
guys had said was the one of the goals was to review um the you know the loing ordinances and you spent time and subcommittee doing that um the the list of goals this year um a lot of times um
well I don't know if I don't know if I did this for you guys but every year she usually gives like a summary of um of all the different things that happened you know during the year and then there was like yeah and done the
council I believe it was yeah and every year the planning board usually says okay based on that summary these are some of our goals like we want to revise the sign ordinance um you said um uh so I so my question is in addition to
revising the sign Ordinance do you have any other kind of goals this year like uh I don't know um updating the environmental environmental um uh part of the master plan or is there any other goals related
to I mean I don't I don't know other than the sign right now the sign the bylaws biggy uh that's it I'm aware and you said the bylaw the bylaws we revised two and a half three years ago not too long
they're no longer working for the're no longing so after two years um the other thing that we're looking at is to strengthen and get something something I don't know if it's in the bylaws or if it's a resolution or something for resolution compliance so Cara and Beth
are going to work on resolution compliance because right now there's no process really in place at the planning board to know who is responsible for making sure that the planning board resolution on how a project should
unfold who actually goes out and spe it I've had Bob clerico tell me something is best responsibility and when I've questioned best she's like no it's Bob's responsibility so we really need it clarified because there is nothing on our books about resolution compliance
which is why every year we get the the question from Bob hey um who's hiring who for the inspections um so I think resolution compliance goal is actually a good one especially before Liberty Village starts because I we lost that
with the Union hotel right I mean Bob and and and and U well we hired Bob for that but he is specifically right um but you you I think it's a good idea to put it in writing the I don't know what it I don't know what it is I don't know if
it's a bylaw I don't know if it's a resolution of planning board well that's what your committee is gonna figure out car's so they're you know so I know they've already started talking about it between Cara and be yeah I don't anticipate that being just a subcommittee I anticipate that being driven by
that's car to you guys how you guys decide to do it so the so the bylaws that were updated two years ago you'd like to update them again so that's in this budget the resolution compliance and um
taking a look at the sign the sign ordinance which is I think the sign or ordinance is actually a really good idea for you guys this year um since we've had some some issues recently um from what I understand so I think those three
goals are are good ones um do you think that that yeah so basically it's a difference of 202 you know $2500 from that yeah I think those are good
goals um I guess the only thing I'm questioning is the bylaws because we did it so recently and I know that and and I know that Karen was involved with that at the time I me she was very passionate about that so that's the only one that I'm questioning but I don't know how
much uh kind of a I don't know how much of our um professional's time that would really take well the reason I ask these questions is because this is what a budget process looks like is that you
ask questions about each project and and and hopefully next year we learn that when you come to the table just like you did you spelled it all out and saying we're spending this we're spending this and we're spending this so the bottom line is when we're looking at professionals and we're saying this is how much money we're spending are we
overspending under spending or whatever the case may be because it's Lessons Learned that's how you do a budget right and so I am digging down deep and I've asked the council to dig down deep and you and thank you for doing that Adrian because the bottom line we need to understand what projects are going to
happen the ones that are on the books now they're always going to be emergencies like there's emergencies with everything else you know the only thing you can guarantee in life is that there's going to be a problem at some point in time I think one of the KE things was the Implement implementation of the checklist gets us to a place of
less time wasted okay for Professionals for everyone okay that checklist was critical okay getting that across the board that's it should bring I think we've already seen that Mara would you say we get is it complete or not we just had one last week 18 items were missing
incomplete go back okay I have another question regarding the planning board um I was I'm a little confused because I was told that the we been over budget on the planning board this year but your guys are saying that it's under budget
so I'm confused like who said that we were over budget no the only thing that I found was uh the environmental commission line item was charged for about $4,000 last year um and when I you know asked Beth I said what was this Ino it was allegedly
for the Main Street zoning project now it's entirely possible that you know two were swapped or something because there was some work that Beth had done with the shade Tre commission and the environmental commission that would have reasonably been charged maybe to the shade tree or the environmental commission but the exact invoice that
was charged to the environmental commission budget was for the Main Street zoning coordinate that should have been that's saying I don't know how that exactly happened but sh sh Tre didn't have a have any money yeah they
didn't to be able to pay for the requir D so I figured you know she got it scored out of environmental because it wasn't just the two-hour meeting she did she actually started working she actually started writing she read the whole thing that the state put in she
actually started writing it she hasn't finished it because she been to busy with COA so I would like to assume that those two you know line items or budget you know they got swapped in manner assum because I mean 3,000 however much I mean there's a lot of references
so here's the question Bill how do you know what line item to charge if someone's doing something environmental or Beth is doing this or Chris is doing how do you know what line out in the chart who gives you so typically it's on the bill um with that I don't know I
mean maybe it was a typo instead of 160 they typed 167 um maybe there was someone told them to enter that I have no idea I don't but because do you understand where I'm coming from the point point of it is is that because it hasn't been watched and
because we come to this it looks like this but the reality is it's this right and so the bottom line is is that it's I'm just trying to make sure that there is a cohesive process where things are being
charged correctly and if they're not then we are looking to say should they be recharged or whatever the case may be and not get to the end of the line and ask these questions that's why I said to all um department heads that unless they give us an account number we're not
processing it so I'm giving it to all the heads of all the like the historical committee planning board they tell us where to charge it now so no issue okay and I asked you you the same thing with like 2023 as well um and you did tell me
it was various invoices for stuff but I I have no idea what exactly those actual items were and it's it's totally possible if it what happens with previously what happened is they looked at last year where things got charged and when then
just started again so maybe it was done by mistake in 23 and then repeated in 24 but we have a new process in in in uh effect now that will stop that from that thank you so my
my final question is so there's no there's uh so there's no uh intention of updating the master plan unless uh unless there's some sort of unusual thing that we can't predict at this point for next
year that's not on your short-term goal list for the planning board I think you'd have to discuss that with our chair Vice chair that's that's um that's a what for you that's new for me saying that's
okay where are we as well Mar um I I have no idea okay okay let's move on wait uh just uh I got I forgot to say one thing for for the Flaming Castle I just wanted to say something because I did ask for them to
um so I was just curious why they needed the 9,000 so I did ask them I send an email said to Marie hey Marie what's up with the 9000 well I just ask her what is it that you guys need from us what you guys expecting uh what's your reive budget and they did tell me just 8,000 they needed now I don't know if I should
have emailed that to you Bill if they just requested that and that's all or if I should have just said here I was my state I don't know if I should have or not but they told me and then I asked them look uh can you guys you know do you tell me what is that why is it that you guys 9,000 I didn't get a response
back there so yeah so what happens if they go over the 8,000 that they're requesting because we pay for their you know utilities their their phone their internet all that and then you know they
give us um invoices for the cleaning of the place you know and the lawn service the lawn service all that kind of stuff but I don't remember them going over last what's in the no yeah they didn't tell me what what it
is I we pay for all that stuff cover they hit they hit $88,000 exactly yeah what page is that it's not first page building okay oh I see it okay that one I can't tell if it's
highlighter or not but it wasn't highl it wasn't no bringing it up yeah because I didn't got anything back from them basically so so the question is do they need 9,000 no the question is what's the 8,000 well that's the other part of the question but the question is do they need 9,000 and the next question is is
what he asked is what do you need the 9,000 for yeah I know they have a security system do we pay for that security system is uh looks like $24 a quarter that and they pay for inter inter service we paid for that so that's not coming out of the eight no no
that's coming out of the eight I'm sorry that's okay all right all right I'm sorry Bill um it looks like uh jcpnl is about $140 a month the internet we P for two
we do um the cleaning is 150 a month biking Pest Control is a $70 probably they have had problems probably last year that so all that comes out of the 8,000
y even though we like a sink repair $300 so this money isn't used for their ice cream socials or no this all just their just for the building main okay they got it by the way they got a huge fundraiser this
weekend that um that that they're at the end they're at the end of their you know like they they basically the last time they did a fundraiser this big was preco and essentially that's lasted them just barly about a year ago now they're
hurting and they're going to be building it up this weekend so you know I as much as I love the fluming castle I don't necessarily know if the extra thousand is if these are all contracts and they're not going to increase do they need the extra thousand so the reason why I did that was because the end of
last year we got them upgrade we had to change their internet phone system um because their phone wasn't working it was on out um okay and so now it's like 150 bucks month okay so all the other contracts are still flat this one's
going on so you just got it so it equates to like $1,100 more is that what you're think yeah I estimate about do we really need a bone no again I security system yeah you
have security like is it related to one like you need one and the other I have my have the security it works together but you can tap it into your phone but they don't have a phone unless they have the phone but but wait a minute I mean on a personal phone I
mean you can ours we have on our personal phone but they should be using should be using their personal phone for that because in theory the board changes regularly well can't you just get them a cell phone with with well it would end up being the same price because we need
to have internet there because that's the cameras the internet I got you I got you okay so it was a cheaper to get internet phone it makes sense yeah okay but it's a good question we move off this page um historic
commission they say Brandon did they give you anything yeah they did I made a mistake of not I was not send that either so I did have a um they did detail here for um they give me a couple categories here they have the CCH
regulator for CLK and H for regular Professional Services Consulting uh so 6,500 they use that for and then CCH special uh same thing clar K hints additional support for CLG application
in 2025 3000 social media website 100 allowance for website walk support training 300 allowance for TW attendees for uh HPC training that's 300 postcard Outreach 18800 1 per year reminds
residents of HPC rooll and House tours and then the events which come out to 300 walk and talk one Saturday in the fall which comes down to 12,000 they're pretty consistent aren't they yeah from when you guys are done consistent they got big they got a large increase from
last year specifically for the historic Map update was my understanding and then they maintained that into this year despite already updating St M what did they spend last year what was their total 12,000 they exactly they did the map update
exactly so the question is do they need that what exactly kind of wondering also they they're still paying for a website they don't have apparently I I destroyed the website it doesn't exist I mean so what was it prior to
this $112,000 Bond was 7523 but it was 10,000 every year prior to that 202 2020 to 20 21 so so the question is is is the real number 10,000 or is the real number
7,000 is the real number 12,000 the real number isn't 7,000 because um we took some of their money to give the environmental commission some startup money um so it's not seven it might be 10 I don't know okay we need to put a question mark
on that that process was a really big process and only the only thing I can imagine that they're still working is that they have a CLG project that they've been doing for very long time it seem before
I got there yeah but I thought that was put on hold by the state essentially remember Beth mentioned that right the center designation they 3,000 for U Clark for additional support for the CG
application and okay that makes sense okay so so the real number is is probably not 12,000 that's that's what I'm hearing so that's why we put a question mark on that let's just keep going through everything else and let's just see where we end up um so
Jeremy I think you're up next on the um on the fire and safety the police and all that stuff sure I got I got a few things um so obviously fellow council members know that my
uh my role with these Emergency Services is pretty key because these these cost a lot we're talking about equipment we're talking about things that need to be maintained um cars trucks the whole thing um so
just that said you know one of the things that I wanted to just clarify about the fire um build the repairs to the front of the building where the bay remember we put money Bill and I discussed that's not in
the fire department it's in capital that's in capital okay that's what I'm asking so that we all know um okay and then what is um the increase I'm looking at the second page fire safety and housing
enforcement it says salaries and wage Wes um what does that increase 69,000 so Ken ask for additional money um to have his inspectors do more inspections or hire another inspector
okay that was that all right and then let me just piggy back onto that because I also because that's kind of that overlap with my stuff as well one of the things that Canen made clear was yeah obviously especially with theion hotel and stuff there's going to be more
inspection this year than maybe in years past which is why he wanted that but the fee make up for those don't think I mean we bring in we bring in Revenue but the problem is it's still uh within the cap
so right we have to take we have to take an account we have to take it into account for the budget but that should be noted in that there's money coming in as a result but right how does that work ,000 why are weing another salaries are
outside the cap inside the cap always you can bring in a million dollars in Revenue but you still can't exceed the cap and spend it I get that I just wanted to note you know note that but he but we also have to make sure
that we're not holding up you know the he has if he has enough work to to validate the number of inspectors it's important to make sure we're being business friendly and providing that you know the the the proper
um you know the proper person amount of hours in their person for the Personnel to do their job so there's really only one Development coming online or targeted to come online in 2025 right that's the hotel that's the target is to get it open this year
spice uh is spice I don't know we're just talking which inspectors are we talking this is just the Fire Marshall so this is nothing to do with elevator or construction or this is after the thing
is ready built and the business is in there he has to go out every year and do his I don't think the hotel would happen until next year I would assume if they go into place this year next year they would have to make their
first I'm sorry I missed $30,000 almost this is for an additional inspection something it's it's for no not for him it's for addition either additional inspector or additional hours from this thing inspector I'm confused is where does
that why does when does it when when does it fall under the fire safety and housing and when does it fall under the sub code the sub code because if fire sub codes when it's being built it's built it goes to fire saf but
he's I realized that so like when I'm talking to him and he's saying I need this and he's talking to Jeremy he's saying I need this it does he recognize that it's two different he knows things know knows know I understand that he
knows when I say to him you don't have the authority to take home one of our cars and he says the car is outside but it's the black car and the red car is gone and nowhere is there a resolution letting him take home one of our cars every single night on our doll and our gas but he does that too so um you know
I'm just saying and Ken is very very look Ken is very good yeah and it's a perk of the job right now right um but you know I mean asking for a $330,000 increase when you know I Jeremy what
what is your what's your feeling on I'm sorry I didn't mean I'm just I'm really confused jemy what is your feeling on I just all I was curious about is was this in fact Fire Marshal's request yes and he sees that much of a
significant amount of money shoots get answer starting now or starting in September or starting in December or starting because that's really the question right I mean there's more to it than just saying no um or yes the the
the the question really is is when does he see the uptick in in having additional work and that's a reasonable it could be a reasonable request it could be unreasonable in terms of the dollar amount right and so my question
would be is going back to what you're saying let's just say this comes on at X Y and Z time and now there's more stuff to do at what point do you say um are we actually anticipating this in the fourth quar and we just budget
for that and then we look at that's that's what I'm asking so at this line item what's the work product today versus what's the work product in December development so is it he does hundred offices or businesses a week uh
or a month what is his actual work product so we can figure out okay this is the work product these are the man hours versus future work product and man hours that that kind of goes back to what I was just saying is that is it fourth quarter that we should really be
concentrating on and saying okay if we're doing for qu this is how much money he may need May that's the question may right so that's the answer we need for that and this is why I'm confused because he literally sent me the same thing with the 98,000 here and
I was under the impression it was for upcoming you know the way he presented it to me was more under the subcode item but so I like I said I don't I really didn't mean to take away from from Jeremy's report here but I I I and I
don't think Ken is necessarily double dipping I think that we just need to get clerification double dipping I I I like like like I said I'm sure he's not but I I'm confused are you saying that it went into your line item on building no he's he's double request not double ding he's
double pressuring he's s and Sue the same thing he's saying but he's but he's putting in her category right he's making an argument I see the line I see almost that I see I'm looking at the email he said this
align item that says 98,000 so so that's why I'm and this individual confus ultimately you both have 50% 50% over this individual that would be hired potentially in Q4 exactly as opposed to right now
right I just want to make sure that we're lining it up under the right line item so so there's two things here right one is the line item but the other thing is if we p um let's assume or let's pretend I say let pretend that it's coming out that
it's it's a few po type of thing that that he say still ramp up because that could happen then what does that look like from that $30,000 is that more like $5,000 is more $10,000 what is that because it's not 30 so that's the
question hear me okay I I hear you I'm just kind of kind of got lost in the sauce here probably are like doing all budgeting right now like you're advocating for this one way or another reporting that this is the request yeah that's really what I
because it's a striking number and when we look at these numbers I just want to make sure that everybody's going I I'm thinking he's asking for this individual pay paid approximately 60 Grand a year like he is if he's putting 30 on you and 30 into
Susan's bucket those two different buckets I don't think it's that much no I think he's looking for probably somebody covers when he's out who covers who covers him um Allan does and do they do they get a bump for
covering like over time or something bump for covering car I'm asking but hear me out guys bu sub code inspector line item didn't go up this year so even though he copied me on the same thing that he's copying Jeremy on
and making that argument I'm wondering if he actually put it in the right bucket oh no the fire sub code went up also fire sub code inspector 17 350 17350 the same yeah but so last year we
put that money in in anticipation of um if you look at the year before it did go up the year before so what you're saying is he didn't saw his budget last year right so I see it was an anticipation of us needing to hire someone for the the hotel project I see but we didn't
actually need that yet but now we so do we need to do that I don't know I have not seen their hours increase you know like each one is only it wouldn't six hours a week or something so why give them what if it's not going up that's
yeah I mean if they start saying that oh I can't do it in six hours and age of 12 then either give them more money or either someone else you know to to fill on the Gap so it sounds like the question is the 30 grand not the it is line item on
the sub code of Inspector okay that answers my question Jeremy go for it I'm sorry what's the decision is it Jeremy what do you want to do well I mean I got to do my dude Jo this be a good G on here you know help these folks out so I
mean if we're sitting up looking at numbers CU I have other numbers I have I want to talk about but you know is is this uh is this reasonable or you guys okay with it I guess that's my question well not 30,000 I mean every dollar you add in here you got to find a dollar to
cut because we were it's not even a choice right we don't you know I'm at the point where I'm just like you know what we'll take the two cuts we got put it all back like this was fun but like we we do not have the ability to pass a
budget like this right like it's not it's not possible it's that's not the project and that's not the obviously we're not going to pass this budget but the bottom line is do we have the right things in the right places and are we giving people the right things that's the point right Ton's Point that's the
point that's how you do a budget it is not a matter of how you're going to pass it it's a matter what's in the budget that you're going to pass and I am not going to Advocate passing a budget until we're absolutely clear on every line item what's in it why is there if we're going to do it if we're not going to do
it period okay so let me just say this our budgets for the last several years have been extremely lean our departments have been working very efficiently so in order to add any money to a budget this budget you have to find a way then we'll
cut something else that's why we're doing what we're doing that's why we're doing this exercise that's why we're doing this exercise period let's keep going please okay uh Emergency Management
Services uh other expenses we had I was looking back you know 2022 23 24 I'm at Emergency Management Services second oh I got it I got it I got it I got it we're at 202020 roughly and then up
357 $3,750 what um what is accounting for that increase for salary and wages under Emergency Management Services oh OEM that's OEM that's OEM well sitting right here there
we go ask what is it so uh 2020 2021 um those were my overtime numbers for Co and Ida which was all 100% repaid by FEMA okay um and then annually this
is the money built in for some of my stien and Dave Giuliani stip in um so that's what the salary and wages covers okay um we fund that with $10,000 that's not going up that's not going we're
talking about 2020 so the yeah he's answered the question so it was it was up in 2021 and 2020 uh or 2021 mostly because of end Co response so that's why it was double but
what about for 2020 what about 2020 2024 is 20,000 and 2025 you're asking for 35,000 this is your other expenses not salary okay other expenses so you ini asked about sales but yeah um so the increas is we're trying to
continue to fund um C and some equipment increases so right now the Sur team is 100% volunteer um we're continuing to try to grow our C team so we have a a robust group to respond to emergencies
within the burrow the problem is it cost money to outfit volunteers isn't that called the police department what's that a robust group to respond to emergencies is called the police department well we only have 16 officers and when we have a disaster we need more than that but 1 te
just started a couple years ago yeah correct isn't this a perfect place to talk to R in Township and do a share service with our in Township well we essentially do have a shared service rate we we we support them and they support us County because we the county seat well there is no County 1 County
1am no dissolve North County C they dissolve there is no it each individual municipality Clinton Township has a sht but again you're only getting two three members from those teams so like we go down and we help lamberville at shadfest we'll we'll go up to Holland Township
and help out at the festival at re Ridge Community Center we'll go to RAR Township and help out at the Color Run RAR and Township comes in and helps us um generally we in town it's one of the only ones that comes in and helps us holiday parade will get Readington we do get a little bit of help from
lamberville um but we do have other members of the Flemington Community wishing to join the C team but I need money to outfit them so they can have safety gear and things to go out and respond to those incidents if they come in how much does it cost to train one
pert so the training is essentially free the state subsidizes that the initial off okay so what's the then it cost me about $550 to $600 to get them some pants steel toat Boots the traffic safety vests uh the jackets what we're
finding is we've been using the C team for storm response now during our flooding emergencies to help put out barricades monitor flooding roadways um so we deploy and activate our emergency Operation Center during that time and I
need to get them so this year I'm trying to purchase rain gear for those nine volunteers to give them fully waterproof pants boots and jackets so that when they're out helping you know motorist and get people out of dicey situations that they're protected let me ask a
question so this cost us to grow the C team yeah the the I I requested a $10,000 flat budget to grow the C team and outfit them so and what does it cost annually per member to keep them so once they're outfitted at depends on the year
and how active the person is right so right now I have four or five very active people they're going to burn out their equipment you know a lot quicker than I have two that are out on medical right now one guy's getting a newe replacement the other gentleman has a has a kidney issue um so he's he's not
as available um so you know I could be seeing that $500 cost annually right or or or every other year depending on how active they are so this $10,000 is going to cover growing it by how many people well this year if with $10,000 this year
I can buy everybody their um their equipment here I have a breakdown of what I did so uniforms for this year would be $2,000 the storm gear would be 1,500 um the vehicle maintenance because we absorbed that uh the old Crown Vick
from the police department so it needed some minor repairs we wanted to letter it um and get some equipment for it that was $2,000 uh traffic control equipment we need to purchase additional stop signs traffic wands and some barricades 1,500
uh emergency safety equipment to include new first aid kit flashlights um and some radio let me ask you two questions number one where do where do you store all this stuff in the basement here it's all the basement here yep I'm quickly running out of room
but okay and um so um and then we so and then bet so then the training and certifications I need to maintain their CPR there's additional FEMA training courses that they take for storm response um and and
training materials so500 so that comes out to the 10,000 for this year now once that that's just for the nine people you have right now yeah well that would give me the ability to bring on hopefully four more that's what what my uniform cost would be so the 10,000 you just
came gra that's for you have nine and four so that's for 13 people correct is that what you're saying that's so so that's 10,000 so where does the other 5,750 come so the rest of that would be for Emergency Management expenses so I'm
still trying to um we have additional vehicle repairs that we need to do to the one OEM code enforcement vehicle um so I need to do some stuff to that and then we're still absorbing this room as our emergency Operation Center since we used to have an EOC at the old police
department the current Police Department doesn't have a space for us so yeah so I'm still trying to do some radio upgrades and needed stuff that when we need to activate in this room sorry the code enforcement OEM vehicle that shares with they juliani correct why he put
5,000 in his budget for that too right b$ 5,000 of his $7,500 increases okay that I didn't know to do the same vehicle that I didn't know I believe he did yes okay same vehicle so da didn't it with me so then
probably shave out another so so so the so is the number really more like 30,000 that you need in order to get up and running and and make sure that we're covered because yeah you know I'm always very very very sensitive to storms
because if I mean you see the news I see the news you know so the point of it is I'm never going to be so arrogant as to think that it's not going to happen here um and so and if we're not equipped to do it then what right so okay us room
for grow and this my question bill is um this was I believe was in the original budget we saw cor the 35750 no well you don't have I mean my problem my problem with certain
volunteers unlike police is that they are volunteers so if the volunteers home is being flooded and the police officer's home is being being flooded the police officer is showing up because that's his job under state law right the volunteer may not we're going to outfit
these people and hope they're going to come as you just said you've already got a couple guys that aren't necessarily showing up so we're going to spend a lot of money on equipment for people who possibly get cool equipment I mean I know know but they also offset all of
our Police Services um for every event we run in this town I mean we could not run the holiday PR or the turkey truck without the Sur teams from both fling I'm not saying they're not valuable I'm not saying they're not valuable don't misunderstand me I mean Steve was a member of the north county Ser how we
met so I mean our standard sop for our members when they join I have an onboarding meeting with them and I explain to them we part of our standard operating procedure for when a storm is coming is home preparedness first we have them prepare their homes their basements their some pumps to understand
that they're going to possibly be here for a deployment and that they're not going to be able to do what you're saying and have to run home um and deal with their own home so we we preach to them and encourage them for home hardening right to make their own arrangements so that they can be here so
first they focus on that then second off we come here and we clean out the basement each time and get all of our furniture up and uh put everything up on blocks and carry everything up in this room and set everything up because we know the basement's going to probably take on water at some point um so that
is what we do yes I might you are you going to stop a volunteer from saying I'm going home no but we do our volunteers that we currently have minus the two gentlemen that are out on medical um you know they they are here they stay for the duration of the storms they're some of the first ones in and
last to go home what is their tenure the tenure of the current volunteers well we've we've only been operational since 2021 okay but so they've been with you for since 2021 uh most of them yes I I on boarded two in 20 Maran and um and and Walter came in
in 2023 so dur Ida this is we didn't have our our Circ point after Ida oh after correct Ida showed us that we needed it gotcha can I just ask real quick I still been missing something huge here so you
said 10,000 for was it 10,000 was yeah it asked for a flat 10,000 it was 10,000 and then there was 5 ,750 or something what what's the other 20,000 well that's just our regular operational cost our our
subscriptions um our our generator repairs um so yeah we we maintain all the the standby generators for for burrow that was my other question I just remembered it there isn't there any grant money out there so there is so
we're in the problem is our Hazard mitigation plan because we moved all of our buildings we have I had to change everything so I've in in the process of doing that the county has to reopt the hazard mitigation plan at their level
and then I can bring it back here for you folks to reopt then we can start flying for FEA money the problem is all the fuma money is currently Frozen that's what I had a question the only thing that's still approved right now is my emaa grant which now my operational
funds Bill are 20 something, but I fund 10,000 of that every year I bring that back through a grant I do myself so 10,000 of that immediately comes back every fiscal year is there anything at the state level that is that so that is
a state federal yeah it's NJ but funded by FEA that's the only reason it's still active I gotta so Brian I guess one of the questions I had was we yeah nothing's changed in the last several hours as far as Federal freezing of FEMA
funding so are you is that part of this well no my emaa grant will still come this year we got the state police already bill and I got that from them that said that's that's open still whether or not we'll be eligible for hazard mitigation funds like because
right now I I have a grant that we're working on to try to get storm windows put in here because this is our EOC so car I told Carla like if once that opens up we can try to do the front windows here put storm windows in some pumps for the basement the generator for the
police department um because that's how we got the generator for the police department last time that's how we got this building wired for generator power after Sandy was through Hazard mitigation so once those funds become available again we can I as soon as they tell me that those funds are open I'm on
those projects in this environment now we are truly maybe looking in a world where we are completely on our own and must be self-sufficient in these R that's something we have to the and the other increase I put in here is for emergency housing because we don't
know what is going to happen with code blue and the warming Center later in the year so we build in $1,000 emergency shelter every year which I don't generally ever spend but I requested it increase to 3,000 this year because the
East Main Street fire again showed us that we could have had to house someone luckily both of those individuals had insurance but a hotel room still even with my negotiated rate over at the Hampton Inn is still like $150 a night um so I need a mer if if Hunter Hills
burns down again tomorrow I can open a shelter but at some point we're going to have to pick up the build Emergency Shelters and people with special needs or you know there's other reasons you can't put uh people in congregate shelters also so then we have to put them somewhere um so I put that in there
and then same thing if code blue you know if uh warming Center comes September and depending on what the county ends up doing we could have to shelter our own folks in need so I put I did build that extra money in there in case we needed it so this is why
budgeting is important do we did you guys find out how much information that we didn't know and that he's that he's struggling with this is why it's important to do this first of all but second of all let me go back to this one thing did you say that the storm we don't the storm windows
are not right for this building and this is your and this is your headquarters so we' know that okay I don't care if we knew it then we should have done something about it a long time ago if this is his headquarters and we and heaven forbid a storm comes in and those
windows go out and all your servers are right there what the hell are we going to do this just doesn't make sense I'm sorry this doesn't make sense this is irresponsible for this is irresponsible so the bottom line is that money in this or is there you put but you put money in
the budget for storm windows correct can we talk about this use the capital um I have money and capital for building repairs with the uh okay okay I I capital budget for building okay okay I just want to make sure I heard all of this correctly but the bottom line is is
that what I hear and I and again what I thought I heard is that the real number is not 35,7 the real number is probably more like 10,000 my question to you is out of that 10,000 is it
if where is the line that you can settle with is the line you can settle with an additional 5,000 is it additional 2,000 is it where's the line well no knowing that Dave bud is budgeting for some of those vehicle expenses then yeah sure I
I could definitely come down to the the 30 and I'll make Cuts with the c we don't necessarily have to expand the C team this year I just when people are reaching out and they want evolve ER and just you know you feel bad turning volunteers away right but you try them out and you don't outfit them right away
and make sure they're going to stick with it well I know but I can't I can't put them out without start with the training oh sure absolutely yeah the training is free okay so so so the real number is like 30k that's what we're saying basically
and and they definitely like Mar I'm going to say this Ste own boots that's one of the things that that to me isal in emergency and they're about $1100 so if you don't grow by the four then how much and and the car is already in Dave's budget then what's your real
number um look back at this so I'd actually rather keep the money in his budget than put it in proper maintenance I well okay okay that's no I get that say 5K we have a place somewhere
else we skipped right over budget so yeah exactly so if we keep it here which bill would prer and listen I can go back I already went back once and trimmed down what the equipment list is like there may be some things I can do to get some cheaper
equipment and stuff donated but cheaper I came you with my wish list know so you went from 20 to 35 750 right so if the five stays with you out of that $10,750 increase if you don't grow by
the four and you just do training for them and see if they want to stick with it I save $2,000 would be 2,000 less yes so so so we're basically 28,000 33,000 so well no he's because the 35 doesn't the the 35 is gonna stay there and get
cut out of Dave's budget the the yeah it's only going to be 30 he's going to keep so it be down to 28 right because it's the 5750 is is Dave no oh you're gonna keep it with him okay okay got it got it okay then I'll manage
I'll manage D's repairs know where so I think this line guys I'm very I'm Pro I'm Pro safety I'm Pro Community but I'm also Pro people being safe that are doing
volunteer we would do it for fire correct all volunteers so agre I have a qu can I can I good question about the the the standard $20,000 budget that's your kind of your dates not the the supplies for the the the um
the volunteers equipment isn't normally part of that $20,000 some of it is but then I also have the OEM staff too so yeah so C I have C and then I have the OEM deputies and that's also
right and but none of the C volunteers um equipment is in that standard 20 grand every year purchasing it and trimming the fat to make ends mean right I appreciate that so that's so I you know this year it would give me
the ability to get everybody on the same page get them everything they need and then next year and then a lot of this equipment is reusable right I'm not getting it their names put on everything I can pull it back if they quit and then reuse it you know provided I am not an
advocate of buying cheap stuff because you end up replacing it that that just never makes sense it never makes sense it's you know Penny wise and pound so Bill if we get if we do end up getting FEA money to replenish some of this stuff and do it chapter 159 is that come
into the operating budget or is that come in Surplus if you can't spend it then it's a grant right so I mean what you could do is if you wanted is just appropriate in the grant fund you know the grant side so you have the
offsetting revenue so it's as if we were going to get it correct that was actually my next question it was related to the windows and doors because you know we did the energy plan last year and as a result we're supposed to be eligible for other things and in
literally last week there was the email that came out about the um energy efficient tax break that the the it's called resource 179d so I know that's kind of above and
beyond this budget discuss but I think we might be able to at least have some sort of um uh tax break on the the windows and doors replacement but I can over
this well I don't understand then because it says for municipalities and school districts and those are so there must be something one9 can I stick to the chapter 159 in the Grant on on on om um so so if you put an offsetting Grant
in An anticipation of if I put 10,000 in the Grant on the grant appropriation with the offsetting revenue won't affect the taxes it'll get it out of cap we reduce this his budget by 10 grand but is the I think that's just for salary though isn't it my emaa well you can do
whatever you want with emaa okay you can do whatever you want so it it can be us as long as it is used it's being used to further the Emergency Management program with what about the one that is pending with FEMA the county is that restricted it's not restricted it's an 8020 split
okay okay so we have to fund well we have to fund it all and then they give us 80% back so can you use it for funding S Equipment no it's Hazard mitigation so it has to be use the eam money to fund sir yeah as
long as it furthers our program we should not depend on the car yes we should not depend on FEMA we should not depend on FEMA we should not depend on thema are you guys not listening you should not depend on thema that should not even be a discussion it's not going
to happen nobody's even at the GSA right now and FEMA is not even functioning right now why would you even go down this road I'm in contact with DC every single day I know it's happening we are not going to depend on FEMA we are not
going to do this okay well that's $8,750 you have to find somewhere else in the budget that's all if you don't want to find an offsetting balance Revenue well I mean then the bottom line is is that we'll we'll look at several different things because over here look at it now do not
yell at me again do not do it do it constantly you do it const and because you deserve it so here's the point do well you do and I am so you do it deserve let you know what you are
that's unall for rude and arogant how dare you that is what it is how dare you so now you know how it feels when you lecture me I never lecture me you did it last meeting we're not going this way we're not this way anyway it's not Justus to find how
you want to spend money it's where you going to cut it if you want Mara it is also do we actually have to look at just doing this or do we say instead of paying down this much debt because we know it's coming next year do we reconfigure that that's what it really
means Capital well it just that's what it means no but but but my point of it is you don't like me like but the point of it is is that we don't look at just one thing we look at everything that's the point that's the point of a budget
whether we agree on it or not that's okay the point of it is is that you open it up so that you can do it that's the point all right let's move on and I apologize let's move can we go back to De juliani's line this that he went from
750 to 7500 I called you and said was this a typo where's Dave Julian was 197 right above the 35,000 okay so 5,000 car that Brian we're keeping in Brian's don't need
5,000 for that car he has $7,000 for the shared then it's 7,000 so how much do so what's the real because Dave told Dave put in five we got we got to put tires on it this year which will probably be like a th000 bucks and it's going to
need breaks so so that's yeah like 15 to $1800 so so wait so you're so then going back to you then your $8,750 increase which includes 5,000 for a car but I also have the surf car oh
okay okay so how many cars are there we have the we have three Emergency Management Vehicles okay okay we have the the top we have the Explorer and then we have the Crown Vic and the Crown Vic is the one you would share No the code
enforcement OEM is the Explorer okay okay so and then we absorb the police department was decommissioning the Crown Victoria we need another vehicle we run out of vehicles for these what's wrong with each vehicle nothing they regular maintenance oh yeah they just need
regular okay so that $5,000 I mean we did the big repair and I don't did you roll that MTH the big repair that we did on the Crown Vic over into this year so that was last year so it's getting letter it's getting stickers put on the sides of it which that we paid that already um and uh I need to get the
radio in it and uh but it's normal it's just on three cars is five okay so get back up to days then right he put in he put in $1,000 for office supplies 5,000 for vehicle repairs and 1,500 for uniform clothing allowance what the heck
do clothing allowance that's not what he sent me here what did he sent me okay uh he has here training 1,000 office supplies, 1500 uniforms 500 shared vehicle expense
7,000 and salary TBD we're painting it gold I mean I'm okay if he wants the pain how much C how much C give you how much City give you that's what I just no no no what was the do bottom bottom dollar line okay it's uh
8950 uh $ 10,000 plus the that was for the other expenses line under Property Maintenance going from $750,000 yeah but you know your number here says 7 I'm not but I think that 7,000 is like
clearly there's clearly that's also in in in Brian so it seven Seven's gone but wait so he asked for 7500 which which one are we going to stick with asked well when did he send you this because he sent me this back in last you
know the beginning of the year last year he sent me this last week okay he probably didn't remember what he sent me well one at a time was short I'll do that let's discuss each one okay so I'll
start with shared vehicle spends 7,000 so we're not doing that obviously the two of them didn't know each each one of them put it in training 1,000 does he normally do training what kind of training does he need to do I mean it's not a certified
position I mean it's not a certified position it's a mayoral appointment actually so what does he did he tell you anything about what he means for training I'm sure he did but I do not recall at this moment I will get back to everybody on like it's an annual
appointment an annual appointment I don't even know where you would get so Susan here's the question is there certification that needs to happen there is not I can tell you if there's no certification that needs to happen then we just scratch that next what's next what's next on your list office supplies
1,500 which I don't understand because get it through morine yeah he getu okay so then we take that off what else what's next uniforms 500 okay what's the uniform he does wear he does wear he has tactical pants and
he's also his Deputy so for sure so does that is that like an annual expense that you guys replace your uniforms or just but let me ask you does he does he get outfit by sh separately or does he wear that you go no he has a the OEM stuff's different than what he but he
doesn't need I mean our the last the last property maintenance manager well I mean Dave death certainly looks professional you know he has his nice car heart Jack on and you know he looks the bottom line is $500 reasonable
that's the question $5 guide like estimate I think it's contract these line items aren't a huge amount of money but I think we'll get let me get some more details on what all these line
it I just sounds like it down it sounds like it comes down to like $500 with the exception of the vehicle which we know is not is not applicable he's got he's got $2,000 here so wait that he needs
that's what that's that that's the total of the other expenses you spent 112 last year that's what I was looking for so clearly clearly there's some some things that he spent 668 so okay so here's the question okay so here's the question
because say so the question is does he need $500 or does he need $700 because that's kind of what the question is because it was 750 last year right right so is it is the real number 500 or is the real
number 7 one of the things he did say was part of this budget was um uh was putting was I don't remember I apologize um Let me let me get some clarification
on it does does he does he get his uniform now out of that 750 his clothes his car hard jackets and stuff well yeah I mean we spent like 600 bucks uh last year and then year two years before that was like
500 so so basically that $750 line he's been using for clothing correct because the office supplies are coming out of the office the car is coming out of his budget he doesn't have any required ceu are training so the 750 sounds like it more than enough for the $500 he's
actually requesting from closing I I think so okay so then we're confused that what what is not here on this list that I know he discussed with me was that he put a um a company on contract
to do you know to do Services when when things came up against you know properties that maybe had to lean on them what kind of services you know like the wall where they cleaned it up or us authorized by the council right
exactly council's budget but he wanted to actually no it came out right it came out of somebody's budget with a lean against the property to get reimbursed I think there are his budget he wanted thank you he wanted to bring to my
attention that he did increase that that request in the overall budget so that he could make we could make sure we plan for items like that because they seem to be coming up more and he needs calling them more but that comes out of dpw's
budget that's fine but M as the liaison he wanted me to be aware of it so that's so so we're gonna keep it at 750 are you okay with that [Music] Susan I'd like to get so I I I think
that's fine I I would like to get a little bit more information from him on some of these items and report back to you here's the question the question is can we use 750 for right now you can send an email to everybody
and whatever okay so 750 Jeremy we need to go back to you on um can I just want to ask one question about property maintenance so he's putting in a lot more hours than in previous years I as long as the council
was aware of that yeah because we were getting a lot of complaints that you know we aren't being you know keeping up on people with property maintenance so you they've done a really good job this year keeping up
with that stuff so um like 25 to hours recognize that so what what are you saying the salary I'm just I'm just saying that's why if you look in this historically the sour line that's
why so it's validated yes I mean as long as it okay jery um can you just go through police budg are you done the fire fire I uh I believe so let's just double check because can I say something about chemor
sure I did ask him why like the Rev isn't working Tuesdays and Thursdays okay like he usually does and he said that he's waiting for the budget to get more hours to pay them he hasn't been going in who isn't working Tuesdays and Thursday I would he
wait for the budget he should just work his regular hours not he has work every weekend every week like Tuesday and Thursdays or he'll he'll work one day and now will work the other day so what did that mean I guess they're
waiting for the budget to see how much money to see if it covers the hours but we have a temporary budget weren weren't they just working standard hours every two weeks they usually were they usually were working
Tuesdays well the Rev was Tuesday and Thursday and I said why isn't he coming in we're not getting I think he he's doing them being okay so so can can we just go to
the police J first of all where are we with fire where we live I think I had all the questions for that when I needed fire or fire prevention which I'm looking at Fire and Fire Fire's request
is $3500 higher what's the difference there but that's because that the hold on so I'm looking at the selling and wages that where did we land on that because it went from 69 to
98 and so because he wanted no I don't remember this at all that was one where I said you're just recording you're not advocating yes yes that's yeah yeah so do we want to stick with the 69 three until I think
until it's Justified that he really need until the hotel's open and we see what's going on I don't know well I thought we were doing a flat increase across the board so I don't necessarily know if it should be 69 but this is for another person you guys I really can't see
hiring somebody or having this budget full time for a year it's not going to be a year it's only going to be a quarter of a year really was the question to Jeremy we only did it from from like October November December what does that look like and
does he really need that or do we just STI 693 that's the question well he he asked for 98,000 for a reason um but I think I would rather 693 because I'm looking at the next line and that's 197k Jonathan
please well I if I remember right didn't Ken say isn't some of that 30 go going to Da juliani because he needed his backup right no no that's he doesn't respond to fire calls
he's just doing like checking yeah okay one did Ken ask for Dave to be his to be a backup then oh no we're talking about John now talking about John I'm sorry them so so Jeremy just just for a budg of purposes trying to get through this
are you comfortable with just keeping it at 693 or do you want to do a quarterly at at like a three Monon thing or what do you want to do so my budget that I had prepared originally um included a little bit extra for them $6,000 more for them to
do additional inspections and the increase the regular oh so you built this in I built a little bit of it but not the full 98 well no no no I'm just saying I had it at 78 okay with my original uh you know proposal so and then you took it down to I'm sorry no my
or I see I see I'm looking at it you built you buil work the number was 78 and 69 yeah you built them one third of a year quarter of a year that's good instead of the 30 so so should we keep it at so the
question is and it goes back to Jeremy should we keep it at 7 to8 or should we because Bill said that he's already put some money in cover's not advocating he's just rep yeah and and look I mean at the end of the day you know well that's why I want Jeremy
to say what does you want like what do you want to do well I mean I'm I'm always leaning on the CFO because he's he's the numbers guy you know I'm not going to sit here I don't know anything about fire inspection I have no no knowledge what soever okay but I think the question really is is do you want to
stick with the 78 do you want to stick with the 69 because Marsh is saying and she's right you're not advocating so which one do you want it sounds to me I've heard a couple voices up here um I we can back it up a little bit more into Bill's territory whatever you were
comfortable with the first time around so Bill do you want to stick with 78 or do you want to stick with 76 I guess we have to see how the rest of the budget goes but yeah I I would stick with the 78 so we're going to lower to 78 for now okay and order to make up whatever else like the
8750 might go lower so what was that number 78 what 78 even even at quarter 30 is 7 500 it's just about right okay so now Jeremy now we got I I just had a couple of things but
one quick question um I'm on page four four it's under statutory expenditures uh under where it's underneath where it says um what where it says vcrp what is that bill app contribution
retirements program it's uh last year we started the Auditors told us we had to start um it's an alternative to the pension system correct certain certain employees had to start going into that such as Dave juliani now is in the
dcrp um the library staff is in dcrp um C part time employes parttime employees yes if they earn over $5,000 and would have been eligible for
uh hers if not for being part time they're eligible for dcrp there's certain crossing guards that are in here as well but a few of our questioning guards I guess are retired from uh hers already so they're not
eligible alterate to the state Pion for Lifetime employees correct correct okay got it then that was a suggestion from the auditor it was it's not a suggestion okay okay so that's that all
right um so my last thing is uh I have been in contact with police and I know we heard from the mayor and we heard from the council president last meeting about it the topic came up um I am going to ask Bill to kind of look at this I
have my reasons my conversations with the chief of police uh he has his I wanted to see uh obviously you know the council you know you you guys will vote with with this or not with this on this particular item but if Bill if we were
to build in uh one more promotion in that police department for a coral what would that look like for the budget because it's not in there right now correct well this budget as presented has one additional um officer and two promotions to Sergeant that's why it
went up where did the two come from that's where what additional officer come from that's what the chief had originally asked for originally so right what's originally when he gave me his budget proposal that's what was in the budget proposal this is last year in
2024 so the original I think I know why the the additional was there because I think if I'm not mistaken is that based upon this um synac um thing that was done way back when it said it was going
that it was suggested that they would have a bring on a new police officer or new position every year for five years it says that so I think that's he's trying to follow follow that I think that's where that's coming from I'm assuming UL
he didn't because when I talked to him he told me that was out so not no new you know he wanted the full-time he wanted the full-time secretary more than he wanted an Empire so we got to talk about this offsetting of things because let us say that we do not hire an
additional officer this coming year uh we have a well we having a full-time receptionist uh to that they're asking for originally two sergeants now the cost of that we we know what that is we're looking at right
so is it and I'm asking the council you know I firmly believe there should be promotions we can have at least one promotion this this time around from what to what well I'm thinking we could have a Corporal
position okay and and and if possible Sergeant but I mean look we got it so we're talking about trimming stuff back here so I want to just make this this is my personal opinion on all this and it's about negotiations the contract
expires this year we are starting negotiations this year all those other promotions were all part of contract negotiations in a very rich contract that raised cost by $100,000 the following year and then another $100,000
when we did all the promotions so I don't believe personally that this should be in the budget to fund a Corporal position it is a negotiating position and the PBA should tell us that this is so important to them that they're willing to trade something else
back to us and it should be part of negotiations and you know we know how long the last contract took with the police to negotiate it was about a year year and a half the DPW contract took almost three years or three and a half years so I don't think it should be F this year wasn't that because people
switched off that was was this is not a public hearing I am sorry problem so so let me just let me so the way I see it is that if you use the Corporal position and and and and I would not say that it would be
something that would happen now it would be something that happened in the fourth quarter um as a promotion and how much would that cost because but that also is a negotiating Factor right there because we have given and this is where we're
given and so when there when it it comes up and I don't think this appropriate to talk about this like with with him right now but I but I but I do think that we should kind of re look at that just in terms of fourth quarter and not now and
what that looks like because I think the could be something that we could talk talk to because I think at the end of the day I think this this Council and the council before you saying it take a year and a half whatever it took
um fulfilled their obligation we fulfilled the obligation we said this is what we're going to do and we did right so it's there's there's no there's no like you didn't do this you didn't do that because that's not even up for grabs so at the end of the day if we're
looking at um at Pro promoting a corpal you know that's something that we could look at but here's my question to you bill on the original budget the one before this one there was there was enough money in
there because you had a secretary full-time secretary and then there was going to be like $20,000 or something like that left over if I'm not mistaken that's correct okay so that $20,000 that's left over if there were a promotion at the fourth quarter what
would that look like and you don't need to give me that now because I don't want that to be well no it's it's in the contract it's just what the differential between a top step and a Corporal it's in the how much how much that so be 5,696 for a year divide that by four it's 1,424 for
quarter so I don't think that's insurmountable Mara I'm not I'm not arguing your point I think you've got a very valid point that's not what I'm arguing no I know that but the point of it is I think we just need to look at it another way well that's what to make it to make it well hold on let me finish with Mar's point because I because she
does have a very valid point the the bottom line is is that it's a matter if it's a matter if we want to look at it and say okay this is what we're going to do so that when we are at the table then we can talk to some things and I don't definitely don't think this is the
thing that we want to do right now but I'm just saying that would spark some conversations if if we all I'm saying is if we do it way you're suggesting I and I'm not disagreeing with it that Sparks a different conversation that I don't
want that conversation no I'm just that's all I'm saying funding this position even at $1,500 is with the express understanding that it has got to be part of the contract I'm fine with that I I don't think that that's I don't think that
that's a bad idea I really don't I think that's a great idea I mean I don't you know I don't have problem find things in anti ipation of something happening because if it happens like software for parking if it happens and we need it and it's not in the budget we can't do it in the budget
we can do it so I don't have a problem with that I just I don't want anybody thinking in this room anybody in this room whether they're up here or not thinking something's gonna happen um just because the money's there
doesn't mean that we have to do it because it still has to be voted on by cons right and so the point of it is it's there it's there and based upon that just put it in and it's up to our discretion on what I think I truly believe this should be part of a
contract just like all the other promotions in the contract and and if not disagree I just want to offer a different perspective on it you know not not argument I just here's my perception of if I ask the chief please why would you want a promotion in there he said
well would motivate ski morale you know give somebody to work hard towards something um and that's we know this obviously but if you ask me somebody who's looking at it as an institution all right now let's put aside you know
contract negotiations with with the uh officers Union right um if I'm looking at this as an institution right as as an elected official I want to make sure that people are in that institution who are doing their best work and most
importantly staying here staying here because there's a culture to the Flemington burough Police Department all right it's not the same as any other police department it's different small town totally different now I also worry about people hopping to other departments if they're unhappy I also
worry about people being poached if they have like a really great skill like for example being bilingual all right so what would incentivize the position would be to do that all right to to I understand the position of leaving it for a contract negotiation but really at
the end of the day this is the chief asking for this the chief police asking for that he can have this and hold this and I'm looking at it from an inst institutional perspective um and I just wanted to let you guys know my position
on it if you if unanimously you guys are like no you know no nice try buddy but no okay I'm not going to take it personally right but I have to do my due diligence as a police commissioner tonight and as the fire commissioner so here's my question Marcel when you you said that Jerry told you that he didn't
want any more when did he tell you that the day of all the promotions when we were over at the historic courthouse and I you mean last year last year and when all the promotions were done and he said to me I'm done I don't need anymore he didn't say he didn't want anymore he said I don't need anymore and I I called
him a couple of weeks ago when Bill told me that he had put in an email asking for more promotions and I called Sherry and I said it's not even in a year and you told me you didn't need anymore he goes yes I know I said that and what did he say he said that it was a request from the pbn and he you know he was
gonna put in then this go that's a little side that's a little side note hold on one second it's not no there's nothing wrong with what you're saying I'm just asking the question so you now you said PBA so are are
ourselves Well here here's what no no no I think I'm just trying to understand so is it that he's he's doing it for the PBA is he doing it because he really want what was your what was your sense
um can you read his mind I cannot read his mind and all I know is he told me with assurity whatever that month was when we did all those promotions was it may was it June uh following following the
contract that he needed no more and so not even a year later he's asking for more and out of the contract now out of a contract and so look I mean my my upbringing in contract negotiations in
local government is you know you don't give away anything anything because you can't if you give it away you now have lost the Chip And I'm I'm sorry I got I got two officers here I'm not going to tell you I'm
uncomfortable talking about this because I'm not uh I am not uncomfortable talking about this um but it is it is the way it is I mean you know they're G they're going to try to get as much as they can and we're gonna try to like give them something fair but do they just give something and expect something
back doesn't happen Okay so Jeremy I just feel that we can all understand Jeremy so when you talk to to to the police police what what was what was your sense because I hear what you're saying but he
said that he need he he needed to do this for the morale of the department right all the reasons I stated all the reason so he's he so that this would help with with letting people know that things motions it gives him something to hold like here but it also then
justifies him needing more officers below because build a pyramid you need to have troops below to lead so one one quick thing we did we we did a lot of executive
directors okay it's so we said yes to uh full-time receptionists yes and I don't I'm certain I shared this detail with many of you is you know we do have a situation where the police officers are
taking on those duties of the I a few months I don't know the exact time but you are going to have an officer who's going to be out patrolling so that's going to be correct so so this is offsetting a little bit and I know I think all of
them like I think even the two tenants go out yeah they both go out because I know the sergeants all go out um but the two lieutenants go out as well yeah okay that was that was probably that was definitely one of the conditions of
promoting the one Lieutenant right was the condition that you have to be out um so let me ask let me ask the conso then where do you what you guys think about um the Coreal funding for a quarter um giving Jerry's
ask Jeremy's ask I'm sorry too many J's in an e but TR I was gonna say like I just I've gotten so confused we've talked so much about this um the 1715 that was initially proposed
before that had the secretary right did it it no the original had had a a parttime special and a part-time secretary and the counc sorry I had a parttime what in off and the council eliminated the part-time special and
made the secretary full-time okay but left the number the same did that leave enough room for the Corporal the quarter of a year yes yes what quarter of a year but also buil right now in this budget you have you have built in one more officer and two
Sergeants position so if we pull those two sergeants put in a corpal and pull the one officer can I just say did not build this budget Bill follow directions to put in everybody's request this is not Bill budget it's not a criticism it's a terminology of the
budget build built he didn't build this budget so yeah basically you punch into Excel those numbers basically goes back to my original number which you know if you pull the extra officer and the yes
okay it goes back to 17 I was fine 17 that seems fine this is I mean this increase here is 63% of the total increase we have to deal with here right so like you know but the point of it is is that going back to your point is that
if we kept it like it originally was you can do both and it's not har of the budget is that correct correct we get what we did okay so then that's that's there's everything else would go then there's your answer everything else so I mean I think the Cil needs to decide is
that are you are you um are you will you support Jer Jerry Jeremy's ask D Jerry Jeremy's we were in the same room together oh my god there a disease called Ag and it
just really pisses me off daily I about it so um so are you guys support of like what Jeremy is asking the potential of a Corporal sure ex
number Sunshine sunshiny using that number from the prior yes I would so then I think we're all good using the prior number get rid of the rest of this we're not going to do the sergeant right not doing extra officer we're not doing the extra officer we're getting rid of all that
and we're not doing a Corp and the contract we're putting the money in yeah while I'm being screwed a bad gu here no you aren't you're asking good question myot
um under first a organization contribution uh I just want to say this um it went from 10 to 13 they'll originally had 10 in they'll did increase their request for for Capital and he increased it not what they asked
he increased it by our share which you know Jeremy has that's with raran is that the so Jeremy has been reporting call numbers every single month for a couple of years now and every single month I
average out what our call at ratio is and every single month we are either one not not less than one quarter of the calls and not more than one F of the calls so um so where are we paying more so so Bill averaged out the request that
they asked for uh in capital and gave them what was our seemed to be a fair portion proportion and I just also want to add regarding this request to go up in operating that the rescue squad is in
Flemington burough it is tax ex I checked with the tax assessor prior to the assess values going up in the burrow and this burrow is um providing a $244,000 tax ratable to them it'll now cap well over 25,000 with the new value
that property is very valuable because it is on you know two major highways you're talking about prity right I'm talking about I'm basically arguing my own L to bring it back down I'm going to drive very carefully
today when I go home 10 yeah the original the original you'll put in versus what they asked for they asked for 13 um but they so where's the capital Where's the Line we're going Capital your Capital we don't even do until a month after no the
capital it's in the budget the capital line that's what I wanted where is it that's I'm looking for can I just go back to can I just go back to what you're asking so the point of it is is 13,000 is
Plus lington so that is that the 10,000 that in our fair share that correct 10,000 is what we give them as a contribution operating expens our fair share that I'm talking about is
foric oh oh okay I'm sorry I they they ask for so you're saying that we go back to $25,000 taxes right I'm okay I'm okay are you guys
okay with that and if the Press was here I would do a whole thing about how back I'm gonna go I'm okay with being okay hold on hold on are we okay going back as as long as I know where the capital
money is from the squat where is where is that this lost they're not mine so page five is is it under you'll see purchase of ambulance towards the bottom it is the purchase of the ambulance that's I see
it they asked for 90 they asked they asked this for 250 they asked us for 270 270 which was like one was like not 2 I'm sorry I'm sorry 175
266 for the yeah the purch of 175 so the the purchase for the ambulance is at 30 so they're GNA take a loan I guess to buy to do this and then we're gonna pay so what they what they sent into
bill they requested they said they want they're buying a new ambulance that R town going to pay for and they're refurbishing an old one and they asked us to pay for that bill took both numbers he added them together and then he divided it by a fifth because that's basically where our calls
are it's oneth of rare in townships and uh or I should say it's one of everybody else's um and that doesn't take into account the the non rable it does not take in count the fact that we get them
a $25,000 property tax every but when the when the request is coming in is it coming in from a girl side or from it came in from FL Rescue Squad oh just came from Rescue Squad asking us I'm just wondering
ifol about it was like about more than a third right bill when you add it up to get reest yeah so their original their request is uh Ron pays two3 and we pay one third and and only one quarter to one fifth of the calls are in the burrow
in any given month because we're they Rescue Squad you know heart attacks and accidents all over the all over I mean I think it's it's F so do we want can are you guys okay stick them with the 10 and not going to the 13 I am and we're giving them a nice
increase then I would wipe out and just go back to okay what what's next jemy I think I I had had one more thing that might be police um I know we get
reimbursed for it or at least we used to but they're cutting the the class three officer right from the school bus so is that still bu we only have one we only have one and Jerry and I had a really long
conversation about this class three um I'm sorry I I misspoke the mayor of her Township and I had a really long conversation about this because one of the reasons that these all got cut is that R Township was up to $70 an hour on their class 3es and the school just
could not afford it and you know our guy kept asking us for more and more increases Jerry not Jeremy Jerry kept warning him that it was you know that we couldn't keep up with mer in Township that letter we received we that letter correct and we had given him several
races U but he wanted to he wanted to be where RAR in Township was and so raring Township basically blew this program because it got so expensive so I said to the mayor you know there are you know because because when we started talking about hiring
specialists to do to do this whole traffic thing Jerry told me flat out there are always retired cops that are willing to come back to work parttime um and you know what the mayor
of R Township told me was that they were setting their rate by North hund High School's rate oh and that all of the all of the cops were saying well this is what North hundred is paying and we're going to go to North so I'm like well then they should have gone to North like like let them go to North because you
can find retired cops to do this work so I said to the mayor you because he was going to sit down and talk to the superintendent and I said see if we can do a reset like like let them all go if they don't want to work for $45 an hour which is what we pay our guy let them
all go to North hun and we'll let let R Chanel hire new retired cops and let's do what reset so the mayor told me he was going to have that conversation with Carrie to see if this was dead dead or if was just too expensive and uh I and that was about a week ago how many hours
do they work they work school day school day the whole school day hours at $70 an hour at rearing townships rate 45s is 35 I'm sorry 35 so half the making they were at 60 at 6 they were at 60 that's some with the May told me we
know they were apparently was going out maybe but they they cut they cut them after they all got laid off yesterday yeah so I would leave personally whoever so got rid of all the class I would leave it in the budget that the mayor
May able to because like it only affects we're only doing the one hearing right but you know and they've been like they're having like town halls in RAR Township over this because people are so upset about it wear they have a lot of schools there and they also do the high school so I you know I don't know what
car's going to say school district announced that they were keeping one that's going to be at jpk why there that's where they have the most problems SCH problem middle school but Craig and the rest of thear
officers were all like notice that the last school day of the year will be their last day I I can't I can't stress enough that you know how much um I'd appreciate this keep saying in bud I think it's I mean you know for the
one school that we do have in the district scho responsibility really it's our responsibility it's the school's responsibility that that we make sure that that this I think the school has a serious responsibility I completely agree with you Mara but meanwhile you
know I I but I do agree we can there's only so many schools and there's only so many you know there's there's probably more retired cops than there are schools so I I I think that I'm not so much much worried about the competitive rate um I
think if our rate is lower um I think that's fine but I do really feel strongly that we should keep it in there right but it wasn't it was never let me just me Carrie and I talked about this in 2023 and 2024 it was never about AR was I realized that I I got your point
yeah okay all right well this is good so we're so that's good have saying so right now that is still in the budget or yes or yes this the first time hearing about it but the problem lies that it's it's not in the police budget it's in a separate line
item right the bottom of page four school resource officer 60,000 and it has an offsetting Revenue because the school pays us the 60,000 so if you're saying that school's not going to pay us the 60,000 no no they have to pay under 10 26 this is their responsibility it's
not our responsib no but I think I after this I think what he yeah that's the question just nobody's there after 2025 after June after June of this year if they're saying they're getting rid of
them but what happens if September they say okay we're gonna put it back surprise then what well that's the problem yeah so why can't we just leave it in the budget the way it is if we don't get the offsetting revenue we don't hire okay Craig back
that's fine yeah yeah you believe that this needs to in here if you leave it in then you want to take it out no no no I'm saying like you said you know if they change their mind halfway through right that's that's an option for us you know if they change a
r halfway through to keep this in their budget somehow and we'll keep them on but if that revenue is gone and we're not going to receive it for the rest of the year then we don't then that's there's got to be the offsetting revenue to it has to be just say you're aware so we can
keep so do you keep it in up until June and and you just kind of take it off from September to December and they re it in January my question so what de mayor's suggesting is to keep the whole amount in there if they're not going to give us the money to reimburse us we're
not going to hire the officer so it'll be a wash okay okay so you just keeping in as the line with offsetting Revenue so it doesn't hurt the over because we technically have a signed contract for the school for this year right but that's through the school
it's not through the office so so then now we're up to there's thing with the 11,000 for Board of Health 10,000 to 11,000 yeah en went down why why would
we discuss anything that goes down yeah we're also doing things that are that are yellow I don't know it's yellow it is yellow oh I didn't see that yeah we well because it changed anything that Chang so visiting hom is that an increase that the count is imposing on
User it's Bo of Health I assume I mean it's a so what is that we use the County Services correct charges they charge us to inspect they Char they Char so they increasing their fees I don't know if
they're increasing our fees seen any bills requested an extra thousand bucks someone put gave me something that's said 11 I don't know but somebody from the council I don't know it was in my box I have no idea so you haven't gotten a bill this
year yet I don't so you might come from like there how what do they use when charers for usually around the 10 no I'm saying per establishment like in Clinton was like
$2200 per restaurant but we're do they if we have more establishments to ins their fees go up right so is this an anticipation of the Union hotel inspections when they open up
restaurants and bars I know and plus all the events they go to like all but the events are the so we know but but my point is when the Union hotel bars and restaurants open they're going to be paying fees to offet this Revenue
correct so that's the problem problem is like next year we can have that offsetting Revenue but we don't have that right now right so they're asking for more money this year even though they're not open yet correct an anticipation of having to go possibly because of how much what they're
expected probably that's so what happens if we just put in 10 and then the bill comes in at more if it comes in 11 we transfer money in November to the line if we have to but they're not going to open until like qu of the year right so by the time the
county sends the bill it's probably January but being in the county seat did they did they charge us yes I heard no they who told you that I don't remember when I first start give me a name I'll go I don't
know okay so so we're going to keep it in or 10 keep it 10 okay so we're going to take that off and keep it at 10 what about what about what about dog oh i' got yeah that was one of my questions what what do we are you missing that
went down the next page regul went up well it went up sorry it went up from 2024 but it went down from what was correct yeah I more than what I have 18 regulation what happens with that but that's okay so
that is one of our es PS right all the dog licensing money must by law go to do dog stuff and we got to pay the state and we have to pay the state so that's 85 yeah well it depends on how many dogs and pets we license per month we we have
enough Mone got enough money offet no we don't get enough money to in uh licenses to whole contract really we we could raise the rat not by much amount in the budget is on top of what is in the trust fund you know what I'm
not we're paying for I really think you know when they um like if they find 100 strike cats or whatever they take them to the vet we have to pay for the Vet boarding and all that kind of stuff and so we get extra bills for that yeah it's
it's on top of the the regular coner so we have to paper St hats well I'm not saying or like a bat or house or something we received that in the past yes I don't recall the I I never received never I've never seen the it
should be on the report that they send you they never they didn't talk about ever charging money or anything like that no there's no money attached to the any of the reports this is what was there's a bat there's a skunk there's a cat there's a dog there's no money
attached to any of those reports but there is money that they're asking us well yes that for we should be right we should we anal control will charge you that so I said any animal control will charge you that I'm picking up the
straight cat is in the contract with them having to board The Straight Cat they have the contract now cost the money correct and if they pick up a dog and they've got the dog being house somewhere and the dog's owner shows up does the owner have to pay for the
boarding or do we still eat the board in that's a good question uh isn't Cory the um Animal Control he he's the Humane officer so like if there was a case of like abuse of an animal he would investigate it in
charge but the Animal control officer is the one that comes out picks up the dog does the RAB beats testing if there's a bite correct they the Animal control officer deals with issuing the fines if a pet is unlicensed so so it's two different things so I'm just I'm just
curious why it went up $1,000 that's all did their contract maybe no the contract is for three years so July of this year it goes up or it RS RS yeah so maybe we take a look at maybe
we need it another maybe it's just no I put in Marine asked for Less I put in more you're anticipating it going I'm anticipating it going up because you said the we only have a contract through July so we don't know where we're going to be after that so so but it only we
would only an increase for like four five right what if it's July right five months so is this for five months this increase or it's it's an anti yes it's an anticipation of that he's
anticipating no I'm just asking the question if it's for a year for five months that's what I'm asking okay so I guess then what's next then building inspector yeah that's this one went really hot here what is this about sted up with that
so this is when you had your Council retrieved he came in and gave you all um what his we proposed he he wants a $155,000 increase yeah I know he wants uh $112,000 for an elevator inspector uh
5,000 for a deputy's construction official $5,000 increase for the taco let's let's SL let's slow down okay let's let's take these apart okay all right this original budget that you built bill gave all of the non-union
employees a 3 and a half% raise without them asking for it correct it's generous and it's in line with the police and the dpw's raises and inflation so everybody was getting a three and a half% raise and whatever else anybody was asking for
I think the council was pretty nonplused about it regarding the deputy position where he wants a deputy to cover him when he's on vacation he doesn't get paid vation so whoever is going to substitute for him I think it's Dave
juliani they should just get Ken and Ken should just get whatever salary he's not earning because he doesn't get paid vacation as a part-time employee who huh who doesn't get vacation John John yes he does why would he get vacation he get pay V you and him agree to it pay
vacation when you when he you hire is it in the resolution I he get to take off the time he need but he's a parttime employee get paid vacation I'm sure it's allowed him to walk well part time don't you get amount
of hours it depends on how many hours you work I don't remember him putting in for vacation but look okay he sent me an email so I'm gonna if it's okay with everybody I'm going to read
it uh so we all got that letter um at The Retreat so um and I think that in I do want to give him the benefit of doubt in that he didn't know about the three and a half% that we had planned as well
so I think this was also written prior to that request at least the the one we received at the at the retreat so I'll give him the benefit of Doubt on that um so construction official he has 15
annual increase 15K the Taco uh he has um um five grand um those I think we just take into account the three and a half% whatever that is instead of those two numbers is what my recommendation
would be the fire sub code uh he has again 2,000 annual these are all the salary increases so again I think we just do the three and a half% like we are doing everybody else instead um but
then he says plus a $5,000 stien for acting as the construction official in my absence that's the part that we're discussing that's the the Ken part um but I think there is another way of
doing that I think I think if he's John's backup for code right so again it's I think this is almost like the same as the the um uh the car going to two different places we can either put it in this line
item to as a backup or we can put it in um the the the proposed that that Mara had as as the the line item for the for the backup either way we need a backup but I don't necessarily know if it's appropriate for this line item you know
I'm do question are we paying twice or are we paying once really my point when Carla is out Moren covers for her when Moren is out Liz covers for her we don't pay Liz extra to cover for Moren we don't pay Moren extra to cover
for Carla so you know I mean if we've got all these part-time employees and we're going to be covering and paying them cover people but that's but that's what a part-time employee does is it covers right period right I mean there's no there's no increase for covering you just cover I think that the the taco did
the taco did bring to my let me finish my report please the the taco did bring to my attention that there is a need to have a formal organized backup and Ken has his own work to do so we want to make sure that we're taking that into
account so it's not just John that's expressed the need for this but I don't necessarily know if it's being accounted for in the right way financially so so how did $5,000 come about I he says $5,000 side pend I that's I think it was
just an estimate on his part honestly now remember now remember Tony he's he's also considering what we've been discussing a lot in that I think he wrote this a while ago because because bills had this for a while um I think
that you know not knowing when the hotel is going to open this is also a you know something that's not going to hit to the last quarter either so let me let me um let me finish what he said so the plumbing sub code and electrical subcode
code he's estimating as 2,000 annually these increases are in addition to the yeah okay so I believe those are the the additions to the electrical and plumbing were again an anticipation of additional
inspections correct for plumbing and electrical that's what I was explained to me okay go more than I um let's see and then what he he finalized his comment was these increases are intended to secure a
full and consistent code office and Inspection Team the climate for code officials and inspectors is very competitive due to retirements and labor shortages in the state which we do know is true um these are requests not
demands of course and I would rely on the council's determination regarding these increases also if needed I could present myself can I ask a question yeah so with the all the layoffs that's going on in the
federal SE a lot of do we expect that there's still going to be a shortage or do we expect they will start popping on well I think there it's very very difficult for anybody in the state of New Jersey to get um to get certified so even though
the federals are being laid off none of them have the state certification yeah but there is an enormous backup like I don't know what the problem is with the state but it's almost impossible to get the classes even sign up for the classes to
get the silly certification I mean it's it's it's a ridiculous system and I'm not defending it by any means what I want to also finally note with the code official Department apparently John didn't necessarily talk to the Z Zing
official the only thing the zoning official is requesting is an iPad so so I wanted to add that in there did you say an iPad an iPad so he can actually be working remotely when he's out um you
know so that he's so I do want to bring that to everybody's attention I think we should be able to find that somewhere do us still trying to understand this I think the problem is for me is that
it's is this actually reasonable and is each one of those L because when you go down to like plumbering inspector Dr inspector they they already have their own ask right yeah so is he rolling I think he's acting as the head of the
department and asking overall but they're not NE like I said some of these are already covered in another line item so I think we need to take that with a gra salt and they're all getting 3 and half% exactly yeah okay so do we just mix this and go back to this and say you're getting three and a
half% okay it's not 15,000 just say h say that again for him it's $1900 not 15,000 yeah you know I mean $155,000 listen let me just say this it doesn't matter even in a I've
never heard of anybody getting a $155,000 raise John does a really great job yeah but a $155,000 rise pay him fairely and I think a three and a half% raise you know when I mentioned it to Carla she was pretty wowed by it nobody
at my office per his hiring resolution he does get um 60 hours of pay time off how many 60 hours per per year per his hiring resolution okay so he gave But Connie
doesn't get anything right there nothing's in hers and she's po right though he was part negotiation ask him he puts in mileage reimbursement 20 miles every day I did oh yeah that's that yeah how is he doing 20 miles a day
because he cannot by law ask for door too from his home that's a federal government IRS does not recogniz he's asked me about it I I'm sorry you know he's asked me asked me last month about it and I meant to ask you because the federal IRS regulations
do not provide for commu commuting so there's no way he can be doing like so he can like find out about that but I'll tell you I mean if you know we're giving him fair compensation if we're giving him 60 60 hours of vacation time on top of
it then he's 60 hours yeah so he's getting a really you know I think the the fact that the that the taco was was admin that that she felt she she she wasn't necessarily comfortable with with
this even being you know presented it's okay right but I don't you know I'm not it's it is what it is so we're just gonna do the three and a half% yeah where are we next as long as we get the iPad in there okay so then
then the next inspectors all okay so then this is all all inv yes okay so then I think El well have to reconcile differences so Bill where are we with reconciling all okay so the 17th
well we're go back to Carla asking Carla saying she could live with 20 she and we had 24 in here did you put the numbers in as we were talking I did but so what so what did you put down for Carla I put 20 for Carla but that's up
$1,500 I and then right did you put the other what's the bottom line where is the know those are capital Improvement yeah aren theyed we went back to this
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then omem went up to the up by 8750 but we took it out we took out put days back 750 7500 133 okay so actually now yeah you're actually like uh
01 what is it now you're you're less than you were the original the original had your tax rate at uh how is that possible when we're doing moreone to planning board planning board reduced okay and um I said that this and
environmental commission reduc correct I think those twoce police yes but what did you do about the port John that's not in there so that's well that's what I was gonna say is I like where are some of the other line
items in like do we have a list in the capital budget the things that like the the wish lists that we had discussed like the like the park and the you know the volunteer that's not Capital that's operating so Capital would be the reticulating lights right okay those
were those are also on my list here that that's capital you have a list of what's but your P John are operating and your mulch is operating and the software for the parking system is what builds that oper
is that is that Capital why are you paying for M why are you paying for mulch if we're getting us the fre because last year they didn't do mulch right last year we didn't have any mulch would allow them to do it had a purge all there was some issue with it you're doing it this year we figured
it out so I can use I don't have to buy but is it ready because they had to blow everything out how many years does it he got it's in the newslet Mike has all like those kind of supplies they they have them in there
it's the P it's the the the volunteer event that we talked about and uh you know like to recognize the volunteers in town on a yearly basis that we haven't done since preo and the port on and you know clean up the cleanup event let's
let's take the portons first so that's what 3500 how much is that though uh I think we estimated 3,000,000 on that so what's the what's the underap number right now I got to plug it into
the actual is that for the whole year no only the summer months it's like six months for the winter May to October something like that what
else I'm trying to find the P it all um the park cleanup the park cleanup was but we're not we don't need to get the P the anymore so you know it I think that was there's nothing else there now um
the parking committee cross crosswalks were in the capital mhm and I'd like to I'd like to understand what I don't think we were copied on like all these line items that we often say well that's in the capital budget well that's in the
capital budget doesn't get done for it's not part of theal done your track what after this bu I understand that but but we're saying we're saying those crosswalks are in the budget so I there is some sort of draft list of capital of the of in the capital
budget Recreation education right I mean there there there's a draft list list yeah so maybe when I know you're busy but maybe when you get a chance could you send us that draft um so we can really get a handle on where do some of these things live right like
the like the fireworks is in the capital budget the 5000 they're on line they're under beautification 5,000 in beautification okay all right so there so that's not in the C no you don't have a over five
years like 5 Seconds um and the uh by the way I talked to Mark K today we got another we got um another I think 1500 from Farmers Insurance he's doing a great job yeah um
and uh the volunteer recognition that you that that we had we had talked about that we had had and where do you want to put this Susan I don't know that's I was just asking where these these were things that we talked about that I don't know where they where they live how much are
they well I bill knows what the cost of the of the event was in the past I'm not suggesting we necessarily do as big of event in the past because you know we don't need to do alcohol and things like that but we should have some sort of recognition for the
volunteers those are I think everything else that I had was already answered I don't know what it is yeah I know the reor dinner when you say well that's what I'm calling it it happened the volunteer of the year and employee of the year happened after re right exactly but but there was a suggestion
that it not necessarily be on that day so that's why I don't want to call it that I just call some sort of volunteer recognition I ask I ask go right now to find out where we are with the cat so because we took the 10,000 of OEM and put it into the grants we're actually
14,000 under underly appropr because you took what the $10,000 from OEM for the whatever that is put a grant out of the Appropriations cap so 14,000 correct 14,
so Susan P John's can go in I got I got to see got it because it's you're you're under the uh Levy C by like U couple hundred thousand so that's how come we never did that before with
Brian's Grant we've done it in the past um but it was it offset the 20 that was in there um and I just also want to remind the council whatever new things you put in
the budget it's got to be sustainable for the future and we had a good year this year is there a plus doesn't mean we're going to have a good year every year I think that next year is going to be pretty pretty good on
202 the stuff yeah just yeah yeah yeah everybody's pric everybody yes yeah everything what everything's going up the tariffs compliance person that's what I do
it's so what's the wiggle room for let me plug in $3,000 for the Portage on and put that on Recreation yeah it's still a 0.008 cent decrease in rate so it's still going
down still going down yes so we're good how we got and and believe me I this again and if you think I'm not another this is why this is exercise is so important
because look at what we learned and what we came out with and we actually got lower than we actually need thank you I'm not looking for PR believeing I'm just saying that it it's as a budget person this is something that I'm just bad about so we have a
budget we're going to introduce on 10 11th it's a party right do that when we get introduced on Monday the 14th because he's not here on the 14th yeah he need to be here be here to introduce
the budget yes do we need to be here to introduce the budget or do it by Zoom oh you can introduce by Zoom so here's my question do we have to wait until the 11th or can we do it soon or do you need more he has
I need I have to give it to okay okay okay I just didn't understand the process fig okay okay so the 11th is where we're going to introduce at four I me it's not possible to introduce on the eth is it on the eth Monday night our next meeting
no the 14 we don't have 14 our next meeting is the 14th so it has to be before that by law so well it has to the 11 so we scheduled it for 4:00 in the afternoon on the 11 yes right yes that that's enough time we're
good yes I'm good I'm asking you I'm good yes I'm asking you I mean you need time to send PL it all in I just have to give it to the aies now do once over make sure everything so Bill thank you
and thank you for for indulging us and thank you for making this try appreciate it than on going through this exercise I think that you know it's important and came out came out ahe thank you we still
yes even more so can yeah oh I'm sorry no I open anybody from the public wishing to speak you have three minutes uh and I'm holding you to it because it's 8:00 at night we're all
hungry all public meetings must have a public asking anything okay seeing none move