please oh hold to order the uh planning board Zing Board of adjustment meeting of Clemington burough on Tuesday February 25th 2025
um this in person and virtual meeting is called Assurance of the provisions of the open public meetings act both adequate and electronic notice of this inpersonal virtual meeting has been provided by way of publication in the hunting County Democrat and Korea news newspapers honor about January 23rd 2025
and January 19th 2025 in addition notice of the meeting was posted on the door of the B lemington Municipal Building located at 38 Park Avenue and any handicapped accessible entrances there to posted on the municipal website provided to the municipal clerk and
distributed to all persons if any requesting copies of the same this meeting is being recorded with both audio and video and may be rebroadcast this meeting is a Judicial proceeding any questions or comments must be limited to be issues that are relevant to what the board May legally consider in reach a decision and for appropriate
to a Judicial hearing must be maintained at all times please rise as you are able for salute FL States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation
under God we have the roll call pleas mayor Carell here Cil woman fararo here miss giin here Mr Hill here Mr Campion here whitesman here miss swingle
here here Mr slender here Mr dasna here Mr eeko is excused Mr ha here miss kazinski here and Mr CL and mrman are excuse um all right item one is the time for public comments for any items not on
the current agenda there's nobody uh in the room um I don't see any raised hands online no online so we'll move right along to item two mayor comments please uh so just to the planning board last night the council introduced a uh parking
restriction for residential parking Only on West Road which is having a serious parking issue um from other neighborhoods um parking on their lawns parking in front of their mailboxes and their driveways and so um the council
introduced an ordinance that the whole street will be resident only and the police will be monitoring Allen Street to see if uh the bad parking situation migrates um East um the council also
um adopted two ordinances last night one uh making um Spring Street One Way only um from uh Bloomfield Avenue to Maple
Avenue heading uh north south and Maple Avenue One Way only heading east west from Broad Street to
um all the way to Maine so part of that's already one way so that little piece was also turned away one way as well and then weight restricted in a second ordinance Bloomfield Avenue from Spring Street to Broad Street to four
tons and weight restricted Spring Street from Naple Avenue to Williams Avenue to four times so what the um those recommendations all came from the parking committee uh to through J Troutman our traffic
engineer um to keep the try to keep the flow of traffic around the new hotel project and apartments to keep people as much as possible on Main Street um you know or to go all the way down to
Williams um if you're heading south to like Route 202 South um um otherwise the preferred rout would be to go up Maple Avenue and onto Main Street to take a right to get out to 31 uh or left to go out to
202 um the weight restrictions are to keep large delivery trucks off of our local roads we have already a number of roads in Flemington that are weight restricted to four tons so it's just added to that existing ordinance as well um we had one member of the public there
from Spring Street and no public comments at all so that's it okay thank you all right item three cancel comments did the May the same
meeting and enjoying myself okay good to know um all right item for HBC comments Dennis uh we had our meeting last week and we approved two items 20 Main Street addition of an additional floor and 39 M
Street Building modifications Eileen sent both of those out to the planning board and then the only other thing I'd mention is we are doing a historic house tour again this year it's Saturday June 21st from 11 to 5 so looking for any
volunteers to assist if you volunteer you get a free ticket uh so if anyone's interested let me know but we're excited yeah that's houses going to be done Dennis were you searching for houses um we've we've got five new
houses lined up gosh it's great yeah good excellent work thank you I highly recommend I won't be sh unfortunately um okay um item five professional
reports um I did ask Beth she didn't have a report but do you have anything for okay good good we are clipping along here item six approval of the minutes from February 11th regular Meeting those were distributed does anybody have any
anything for Al any amendments or any tyos or anything to report okay and can I have a motion to approve in the minutes please second call the B on that [Music] please Mr Hill
yes yes Council woman forar yes Miss Giffin yes Mr Campion abstain sorry Miss whitesman yes M swingle yes Mr sh yes
yes okay thank you all right item seven resolution hcdc application 20248 I'm just making some final changes for council's review approval we'll have that well before the next meeting okay be able to all right excellent p p that
to the next meeting yeah on the next agenda move that along for then um item eight resolution the 2024 annual report that was sent out previously did anybody send any comments in any changes were
made so it's as it was when we last saw it all right and I know I think the issue was you hadn't seen it before the last Mee you had sent it out one that I miss yeah that's okay um all right so
can I have a motion to um approve well yeah a motion to Y approve that report as an accurate representation of the one I went forward with yep move take the RO on that
please so that was mayor and Han yes um May car yes Miss whitesman yes misso yes Miss giin yes Mr Hill yes Mr Campion
abstain Miss swingle yes Mr Show and Mr s thank you I I'll add those the vote I also have to change the date of the resolution um and actually I took the liberty to um Chang the the
um alternates and I moved Mr schender up and the AL so I can send that to you also changed the date and I'll put them I did you're wonderful thank you leave me something a Love Fest here all right um
can we are we all good we're moving on item nine chare items um do you want me to back to the man yeah know I have two items that I forgot in my report one is that I think that I actually found a conflix
attorney um he's soon as gets the full Nova package to him he'll be able to gave it to him so yeah so right now it looks good based on a cursy look and he said he was going to do his staff do deep deeper diving but he thinks he'll
be able to do it and um we going to approve him I would hope so no I'm just like tonight like well I don't think he has he ordered a full conflict um
Goa it was just this afternoon yeah he he looked at it he didn't think he thought it looked pretty good okay that's you're talking about okay and I think actually with NOA doas um there's a a situation that it might be invol a
use variant by variance possible possible so they might have to come back for completeness um I I did talk to um on another matter um to their attorney and he's contacting his client to discuss so so I did and I did tell that
too um I mean I can I mean I can disclose so so it's Joe sill okay from um who was one of the attorneys that John Bardo recommended um who uh is with um
Francisco baiton blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and I think he's WR Township's attorney yes right he's Township's attorney so he um you know I asked him about I left him a message about him or any of his Partners being free or that we would even change
meeting if we had to and um it's good to have a conflict attorney and he called back and he said I'm actually free those nights and I'm flattered that you asked so yeah so he um and his raid isn't excruciating even it's cast on rest um
buck ID which is way lower thanor she say that lower than your so um so I was you know like I said even though it gets tested by a scub it was you know but it's it's he was on my on my top list of call it's just been
getting a hold of everybody and waiting you know wait everybody out say are you can you do it and then by the time they check and whatever and they check their partners and it's been a very long process so I'm hoping this all works out um and the other thing I just wanted to announce is um Jim Hill has not
officially resigned from the board because he didn't send it to the right person so I don't have to accept his res by law you're supposed to send it to the clerk and you did not and I didn't let her know so um you have to send to the clerk That's the Law resignations go to her um not me
not not Karen so you technically you haven't resigned um but he but this is his last meeting and uh it's been a pleasure JY I've known you a long time and I'm sorry you're leaving well I am too it's just too many too many things
going on he just let us know last night so when I got home from my councel meeting I thought that was a good time you could sleep yeah like no and I did on behalf of the board even though he hasn't officially done it
properly um send saying a message saying thank you for his years of service on this board I know he said years of service it's been my de mate for a long time and he agreed to be my vice chair I really am grateful for that or chairman viice depends on which
way ex I do better at the second oh yeah was not announced at the last night's council meeting because I didn't have his email like back and yeah um I apologize it's just that life gets the way once in a while and at least so I got I want that talent to say no to
stuff I haven't I haven't figured that out yet but um you know just so the board is aware I will be um putting Mr goet into Jim's unexpired term and Mr Hayne into uh Mr eckle into um alternate
number one Mr ha into alternate number two and we'll be searching now for another alternate number four three so um Lean cups move up we're in Alice in Wonderland so we've been with only two alternates for a while we
can do it right guys do yeah get DIY on the that's the only problem someone has to miss a meeting and then you want to make sure that the AF has a for it's doable right totally doable we just have to all be up front with each other if you're going to be
away and you know something's coming up we have to figure it out because we have to make sure we have enough people so that's all I ask the rest of the board to do well and the variances are the most important too you know when we know one of those is coming up then we definitely have to make sure that exactly whoever's going to be here I'll try and remember to mention it and say
hey let's do a roll call make sure we can cover it and that we'll have a quorum um but if I forget please yes you thanks be watching every meeting right go up remind me what to
do um but yeah so that is said um sorry I don't know what I did not something I want to do po occasion just for the heck of it thank you can always sit down
that's I have alternates on sh Tre HBC if you want on former graduate forer from Syracuse see perf let me think I'm serious you get to give away trees to people drop this just
something else oh my God who do you think you could have a life I will tell you our hat Tre meeting meetings usually go longer than planning board oh well what you you're he's so say that we all go in okay good now I
wish um all right so things from me I wanted to check I don't I hope I'm the last one to do it if everybody else didn't um the storm water videos Everyone's suppos yeah watched it make sure you send that watch it and send the email to Terry okay I watched him I just
didn't realize okay I'll send yeah send him he needs oh I didn't know I was supposed to do that individual email him I watch it in snowstorm when was that I watched which one I watched it in the summer I and I'm like I don't remember doing this so I is it okay that I sent
it to e that yes I fored to Terry anybody listen me and I got a response from Terry as well he just need something if you get audited so they show who so please do that new member training that one on
does what we just told April 28th he can do that as his new member training for board can he I think so from what I've seen I just sent confirmation over to the organizer who asked me to pass it along right just to make sure but the new member training is state required
and just because they're offering it in one County and the board's located in another I don't think that should make any difference I did mine in a different count exactly so I think I think it's fine plan officials
other in the flyer that it also does okay okay so it's not too far away headquarters Saturday the 26th 26 I'm sorry I'm sorry I got the number mixed up but then I did write 28 then that's why so then do we contact
you at name for details yeah you to me and then I would have to do a purchase order and send that over to them to get you U registered is there we have to follow the form yeah I think there's a form that's um attached to
it link let me take a look at it tomorrow and um put in person can't imagine that online thing was very much fun and also you get to chats with the people who involved and you know it's just a good thing I think I would like I
would like everybody to be able to do it again but we can't afford every do it regularly you mean it's been a while just to refresh her well say one of those videos from the storm water link I got I went down that link that he sent us I went down and there was a really
good video I thought it felt good it was Laing out I just sat and I was this and um it it was basically for planning board members about all sorts of different things yeah and it was a really good video on that on that page yeah I think you and I and you and I I think had talked about and I've done it
for some other boards just doing little Refreshers yeah um on particular issues like I did one for one of my boards they just wanted to little refresher on the uh differences between C and D variances um proofs required that sort of thing um
you know just World member responsibil that yeah so if there's anything in particular that you kind of want to kick around you can do that yeah especially if we're going to ask our meeting the stain light we might as well use the time once we've got out the house do a little bit of something
sure little bit you're out and dress might as well um I just thought something while we were talking and then now it's gone completely out so that I'll have to come back another time um other than that it still said well we have the next meeting
March 18th we're not quite sure what's on there yet because it depends if this NOA situation well they won't be on the 18th because the council was had a conflict with that right he said the 25 was that's right have Council but we might have to
do a completeness and they might ask for complet and public hearing at the same time I'm not sure I for Um send a letter on their Direction but we do have the resolution for the uh H County
Democratic committee extension for Captiva depending on um what Cara has but Cara you're not there on the 18th as well and I don't think Mr clero is available on the 18th of March so I mean we could certainly do the resolution
adoption that's easy um it it really so I I sent I don't want to talk about it to much but I did send some questions to Captiva that I wanted to have answered for the board just so we could really understand exactly what it is that they were asking for so you could
appropriately consider it and know what standards you needed to apply to the request um I have not I got some of the answers not fully everything in the way that I wanted it so I I expect I should be getting it soon well I don't I on
Friday last week the current owner um took over the project called me and I was in a doctor's appointment and I was supposed to call back on Saturday and didn't get a chance
and he apparently had some planned um big surgery on Monday of this week so I felt terrible that I didn't get a hold of him so I don't know how soon you're going to get any answers it was a surgery the they're legal as opposed to
the other so um I may but you never know because some of them one of the questions that I did have was um as I understand it there's been a change in ownership so I kind of wanted to understand what impacts that may have as
a whole on everything so I kind of asked him to look into you know the re development agreement aspect and and that to see if there is there may not be I just don't have enough information and certainly that's not all in my perview so I want to make sure the appropriate people look at that um so that may be
impacted but uh the one question I had for the board for that attorney was the legal standard and the legal um statutory section that they were seeking to admit the extension of it that's what I want and is there a question whether they
even need who apply for an extension do we do we that's why I want to know what they're asking for that's you know so I they are asking for an extension and then the response I got back for extension pursuant to statute now I want
to know statute so I can really understand because they may or may not but if they think they do then there's a reason why they think they do so I want to make sure that I understand that right all they could just be thinking they do and they quite it's quite possible and it could be D suspenders
request which is fine also yeah absolutely I just want to be able to tell you what you need to look at this and review it under okay thank you so let us know when we know that and we'll know whether that's up so it could be a a day where we do a little bit of refresher on
something we also should um do depending on the conflict attorney point that at that meeting right yeah but um I do have notes that um Cara you're not available and Bob is not available on the 18 was that right I
got mixed up between who was because that is one of the ones that is off stule yes because of SCH special school election so I said I mean we have we'll have the Democratic committee resolution for that night but that's you know
everyone will have that in plenty of time so if anyone has comments or changes we can have that in final final form there shouldn't be an issue with that okay um but if that's the only of of the conflict attorney that should be simple we have plenty of resolutions to that effect right um we may just me to
do that then we'll see yeah yeah we have time yes well that sounds good all right um the next item is is still on committees and starting up some of the other ones is uh still on me to set some of them
going but um hopefully everyone appreciates not working too hard in the beginning and the end I don't know I do that's not excuse right now um and I've also reached out for the Zone in which we didn't start up but I did reach out
to uh councilman Parker because we have the data the FCP promise last year that was issued through but I've asked him to did you get it I thought it waso I did get it a week ago but I and I
reached out to Mr councilman Parker today to see where we want where we're going with this what the general feel is based on the feels that we had last time and the issues that came through whe which way we want to move ahead before
we start ahead okay so we will have our from the governor body which way this one to go what we want to do with this data and from the governing body is going to be making a decision well no no no they're not going to be making a DEC it's just which way the committee wants to go with analyzing what we analy okay
I got you I got you okay just to I feel that last year there was maybe the approach caused conation and I'm just trying to gently not cause constantly CH process does that make
sense I maybe wait that's what I'm saying nothing's very nothing's official or unofficial right now we're just moving ahead slowly I'm just letting everyone know it's softly softly um does anybody else have anything for a chair they'd like to
raise tonight I don't know if it's us but I I saw that email that I ped for the state plan cross except we have to do anything with that because even though it's at the meeting yesterday um
explaining to the governing body because apparently I asked Beth what do we need to do about this she said it's a governing body decision whether we take part right so Beth gave you a a a talk about what we should maybe do what was the agree understanding what the council
wanted to do I mean the council's going to move forward with it through the county um you know I'm planning on going to the state plan meeting um I have a a legal question for you because that said that she was talking about this um State
planning committee that every municipality supposed to they're going to participate have you can and she said that it's a governing like who appoints that because in our form of government unless otherwise said the mayor makes all appointments and I don't know what
the law actually says on this I mean that issue I'd have to look at I know that the state planning committee and and the issue itself is for the governing body to review and decide whether or not to participate in not the board um and for municipalities that are within the highlands
jurisdictions um they can appoint or basically allow the highlands uh commission to be their representative and they can also have their own representative so you can have dual representation um as far as for this form of government who would appoint
that committee I mean that's a Chris question but you know um I don't know that off the top of my head so that's where we're at where the government body wants wants to take part and I would take part last was that we do to be General
thought that we would want to participate there's we have to take it back to the governing body if that that if we don't submit anything by the end of March it is assumed by the
process that we're all good with with everything so if if there needs to be appointments made and all that has to happen it should happen pretty soon because we're ready at the end of that's why I want to know who makes the appointments because we were I was asking you Beth well how many people should you have and she said well if it gets too big it's unwieldy and she said
I would say like a couple from the governing body and a couple from the planning board and some professionals and she said I'm happy to you know help you do this and and then somebody from from the council um you know the council president say well what about members of the public and see the look on your face
that didn't make that look but she kind of tried to gently say you know everything's written all over my face you know that I mean that was my reaction too is you know you get this out that's when she made the comment it gets too big it's unwieldy yeah you know um FCP that was also a suggestion
Representative no that was on the parking yeah why the council president from business community on the parking Community um but um so I just I'm trying to get clarity on the appointment process I mean if you need me to look
into it I certainly can I mean Chris will probably know off the top of his head I would think maybe the state plan let me tell you he was even born when the state plane was going through its death march in 2001 I remember well he wasn't born I'm being
fous but you know all right okay definitely older than him I would say that he was still in high school probably I'm just saying my middle kid was born in 2001 not my oldest my middle you like that expression the death march of the 2001 state plan yes we remember
it well right y Jeff remembers it I remember I was like taking knives to that big sign that chicken C County now am I understanding that we we we're comparing whether we need to we we agree with what what it's saying whether
any it would affect anything that's within our planning and is that right is that the way we're what we're comparing and looking at right well it's always concerned how the state decides to Define us corre you know I like to continue to try try to Define us as a rural is possible then they say oh
you'll get money if you're not rural but we never get money because Newark Camden Trenton Hudson County gets all the money they promises money they screw up our stuff and then we never get money so you know voice well killed it
in1 the unas question last night for me was what happens if we are assigned or replaced into a bucket that we don't want to be with the one five I don't want to be with TR I don't believe be any we are still with I don't think I don't think that we're Sussex County but
no but we we should be more like a three and a half fora three and a half if we don't like it then we we tell them we don't like it that's all we tell the county know and we let the county the County's willing to pay do the battle so yeah we let the county do our battle which is why I'm saying if we wanted if we have disagreement with stuff that's
in the goals of the state plan right we're supposed to not only articulate those and let the county fight for us but we're also supposed to theoretically say how or if there is inconsistency we're supposed to maybe sort of do is to say well how could we align
our set of planning documents with the broad Statewide goals if there's if there is inconsistency but I that Pro that's been very an nebulous process over the years it's been there's there's too much low control for that to actually end up happening but but I I I
mean if we want to do something substantive we got like three weeks to get it done and that's AG that's what I'm and it may just very well be that that the committee looks at it and Beth looks at it and it's like we're good it's good enough to not expend the energy
then well March 6 is the hearing up at the County uh building on 12 um that's to call the chicken cop um but uh it's open to the public I'm pretty sure if you want to make comments you have to you're
supposed to re-register or at least register when you're there but it is not just for elected officials and planning board members anybody can go anybody and I think definitely comments during the meeting you can send in comments ahead of time as
well to do that and is that meeting when they're going to suggest we would hear what group that plan is in or anything do we know out it's 600 to 800 p.m. on Thursday the
plan is was released back in December in the email that that was forwarded there's a link to the plan okay apiz and we can go that see if anything jumps out in the meeting wait for further instructions y fair enough
thank you for raising that completely forgot and I just watched be's thing as well make sure I'll watch what be said the recording was out already last night anybody has else no okay then
let's move on to um I Ted I I didn't see any bills no no new bills came in and no new ESC checks were come in so there we go then we'll move straight along do we need to go into executive session we do not excellent then um I'll take a motion to
a all in favor was but not quite we a chat anyway thank you everybody Dennis see you next time maybe saying