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Good evening. Uh this is a joint uh meeting of the Fington B Planning Board and the Flemington Historic Preservation Commission. The planning board inerson and virtual meeting is called pursuance of the updated provisions of the open public meetings act. Both adequate and electronic notice of this inerson

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virtual meeting has been provided by way of publication in the Hunter County Democrat and Courier News newspapers beginning January 2026. In addition, notice of the meeting was posted on the door of the burrow of Flemington municipal building located here at 38 Park Avenue and any handicapped

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accessible entrances there too. Posted on the municipal website as per the new OPMA requirements provided to the municipal clerk and distributed to all persons if any requesting copies of the same. This meeting is being recorded with both audio and video and may be rebroadcast. This meeting is judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments

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must be limited to the issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision and decorum appropriates judicial hearing must be maintained at all times. I'll also add that the Flemington Burough Historical Preservation Commission notice for this special joint meeting

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with planning board at 7 p.m. both in person and online. Public is welcome to attend either in person for Edo Hall or online through the Zoom platform. That's what I got. Is that we covered all of the OPMAs? >> I think and the notice of the HBC was

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done in accordance with the statuto requirements and your personal requirements for your meeting. >> Yes. >> Okay. That was longer than normal, but that's okay. I'll ask everyone please to rise as you are from the flag. >> Algiance to the flag

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of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Take pleas to call the rules. >> Commissioner Gon,

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sorry. Yes. Sorry. >> She's absent. >> Commissioner Ward here. Commissioner Tilly >> here. >> Commissioner Willilifford >> here. Commissioner Schro >> here. >> Commissioner Taffer,

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>> she's absent. >> Thank you. Council Leaison Aras, >> he's absent. >> Thank you. Mr. Hatch >> here. >> Mayor Carol >> here. >> Mr. Campion is excused. Council Vice

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President Siden Angel Engelhart is arriving shortly. Mr. Dashna >> here. >> Miss Gifin is excused. Mr. Schlanganger >> here. >> Mr. Sh >> here. >> Miss Swingle >> here.

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>> Miss Whitesman >> here. >> Mr. Hayne >> here. >> Mr. Eckle >> here. >> Mr. Papers >> here. >> Attorney Kazinski >> here. Banner Kyle >> here. >> Engineers Clerico and Troutman are

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excused. >> All right. Um we will um so for those who have not been to a joint meeting before, we've done this on occasion. Um couple years ago, uh was the last time. Uh what we're going to do is uh we'll

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start as we do with all all uh planning board meetings. If there's any public comment on items not currently in front of our board, that's period for now. I'm not seeing anybody in the audience in person or online, but I'll pause and make sure.

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All right, seeing none, I'm going to turn it over to the chair of the HPC, Mr. Given, to uh take on what is listed as agenda item one on that part of the agenda, the historic map update. I just want to place on the record for purposes

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of this meeting the requisite notices to the affected property owners were sent via certified mail and they are on record with burrow. So the boards of and the commission have jurisdiction to handle this public speak.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you Jeff. Thank you everyone. Um yes as as you mentioned this is the um HBC section of the um meeting. So, can I can I share? Um, >> you should be able to right. So, just on on the screen now is the agenda uh the short agenda for our

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section. So, as as mentioned, the first item is a historic map update um public hearing on the proposed amendment to the historic district map. So, I'm going to ask um John Hatch, our historic um expert, to um briefly describe the memo

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and um and what it contains. >> Just let the record show that Miss Anglehard came into the meeting at 706. >> And on on the screen is is the memo that um was previously sent to you. >> If I could ask the microphone that's over there, just slide it down so that

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it gets reported. >> Thanks. I prepared a memo um on May 11th uh which I I believe the planning board has and uh which the historic preservation commission has seen and already voted on and and this is really to acknow uh to

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acknowledge on the map uh kind of facts on the ground basically. So there are a number of properties whose condition has changed over the past couple of years. um uh there 19 Church Street. There was

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a fire several years ago. The existing contributing structure burned down and has since been replaced by a a structure um that was reviewed and approved I think by both our boards and is um because it is was not constructed in the

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period of significance for the district. the designation for that site, for that structure needs to change from contributing to um essentially to uh to non-contributing uh non-contributing historic or contemporary. So it's it's a

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contemporary structure. 70 to 74 Main Street that refers to the courthouse square redevelopment um that a number of the structures there have changed. Um there were some structures non-contributing, some

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contributing that were taken down as part of the redevelopment and then a larger structure larger structures uh constructed behind uh kind of between Main Street and Spring Street and between Bloomfield and Corer. And this

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is to reflect the again the the structures that have been constructed and again those um that mix of structures and vacant and vacant property um has the designation is being

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changed to again to non-contributing historic/contemporary those are contemporary structures um built outside the period of significance putting the the map is on the screen if it's help right there.

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>> And then um 20 to 23 Main Street um uh 20 to 22 East Main Street, sorry. That was also a fire of a contributing structure. Um that came before the HPC

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several months ago and uh the new structure was approved. Um, and so that's to to designate change the designation again to contemporary. >> Thank you, John. So, yeah. Um, I can I can zoom back in if anyone has any

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questions, but I think that that re um summarizes the memo we sent. Um, I guess now this is the public hearing part. Do I have to open it for a public hearing or um >> Yes. >> Okay. Do we have a motion to open for a public hearing? >> Move. >> Second. >> Second. I'm sorry. Can you tell me who

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>> moved? Thank you. >> Will second. >> Would you roll call please? >> Wendy. >> Um Richard Gifin. >> Yes. >> Kim Tilly. >> Yes. >> Jen Willford. Yes. Dennis show. >> Yes. >> Wendy your Yes.

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>> Thank you. So the public hearing is now open. So any comments or questions from the public or I guess I would include it. You're considered. Any any questions or comments from anyone? Just wanted to clarify on the Y hotel

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the original sorry my phone the original buildings haven't changed the the where it changes from the purple to the orange um in the front along Main Street. um

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that basically designates the firewall which in construction terms indicates two separate buildings. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So the orange didn't change the >> orange didn't change. It's the the

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>> as well as the pottery potting shed um and the bank building. They're all exactly the same. Yep. >> And those lines represent where the >> essentially where the the other buildings are. >> Yep. >> Okay. Well, compared to the last map, but compared to the map from um 10 years ago, they have changed because obviously

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buildings have been demolished. But >> yeah, no, I meant just the orange just from >> So those designations in the eyes of Chipo and and the state >> haven't changed those individual buildings considered individual buildings and that's why you have them

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as separate colors. >> Correct. Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. So, so obviously 90 here is the bank building, >> 78 is the the pot and shared and 70 is the union hotel. So, pre previously were buildings behind which were demolished but they were picked up in the previous map. Right.

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>> So, this this is not changing that. >> Any other question? Anyone online? Any comment or question? Motion to close the public hearing. Tilly will move or second. >> Your roll call, please. >> Richard Gin,

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>> yes. >> Kim Tilly, >> yes. Jen Wilford. Dennis show. >> Yes. >> Wendy or? Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. So, as I discussed earlier, there's nothing more needed for much of that right now. >> If that's it, right? Sure.

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>> I'm I'm sorry, Rasha. Do you have the actual attendees shown over there? I can't see that. There's nobody in the entire >> office. I've been watching. >> Okay, good. >> I know. I missed that before as well. >> We have two. That's why I asked. >> Sorry. I can do that for you.

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>> You can see. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> So, we previously sent you the memo. So, there's nothing more needed from us, is there? >> Is that correct? Right. We're good. Okay. So, >> okay. So, moving on. Um I did have a public comment section here but I think uh as you mentioned there was there

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there's no um no public here unless anyone wants to speak up. Um the last item I have was HBC share items. So I think it's probably good um two minutes just update you on a few activities. So we had our um Dennis will probably update later. We had the very successful house tours this weekend. Um most of the

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people on here did way more work than I did so they take all the credit. Um so Dennis will give an update later. Um other big things we are pursuing CLG. So the the big news recent um council meeting um our ordinance was changed to reflect it's going forward for CLG which

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as you remember is um a big um benefit for us. We can then get um training and grants. So the plan is John's working on the application that should go in hopefully next month or two. I think it's like three or four months process maybe. So the plan is to try and get it

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into this year so that we're ready for it next year. It's um all I had. Um HBC adjournment is the next item. All those in favor of a German say I. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> We are in a journ. >> Over to you.

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>> Thank you. Nice and efficient. Appreciate that. Um so um you could just stop sharing. Okay. >> Just for the moment so we I can see everybody. Um >> we've already done public comments. Um next item on the planning board agenda

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is is mayor's comments. So, I just want to really thank the Historic Preservation Commission. Another successful and amazing house tour. This is the first year I haven't been able to volunteer over at the historic society um because of 50th events around the

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county that I was really committed to and I'm really sorry I missed it. But I did drive through town twice as I was crisscrossing for events and got stuck in traffic which is always exciting um because the event is just brings in people from all over the world and I've

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heard really great comments from people um both in town and around that I know they did attend. So I just want to say thank you for doing it and congratulations um for another successful year. And uh uh the only other comment I have is that I did uh

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the council did approve last night having uh planner man sorry yeah planner mcman and attorney corsini work on u the rail easement uh for the county's overall and the bros overall uh rails to

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trails um walking path. So um that's it. >> Thank you. Uh, see who's in council? >> Um, I'm just echo the echo the mayor's comments. Um, I think I actually forwarded as many um, HBC members

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contact information that I had handy a comment that um, it came through. That was just lovely. So, thank you so much for everything that you did. Um, and it's yeah, the linear park. Um, and I want to ensure that it's clear it's not

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rails to trails and that the rail is still there, but it is the the linear part that that happened that um that we had uh Beth and Chris move forward on last night. >> Great. Um Dennis, is there any other HPC

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comments? I think we Is there anything else you wanted to add? No, just it was a a great uh house and garden tour and um my uh team members that I was a part of. Um a lot of lot of hard work goes

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into it, but everyone makes it fun and it was great. It was almost 500 tickets including volunteers. So another great successful year. >> Thanks Dennis. Uh Melissa environmental commission. >> We had a little bit of record meeting since our last one. However, on May

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30th, we did have our first burrow clean up day and turn out, but I am incredibly thankful for those who showed up. Justin Schneider of the planning board, hen Terry of the Environmental Commission,

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Maria Shove of the Shade Tree Commission, and we also had scout leader Chris Boyce along with three scouts from Troop 65 who showed up. And between a lot of us, we managed to do all of the areas around the houses. And also, I'd like to thank

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Main Street Bagel. They graciously donated bagels to us and proudly donated uh cases of water. >> Thanks. Uh professional reports, uh Cara, escrow requirements.

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>> So, I started putting together some amendments to the escrow amounts. our current ordinance based upon the um information that the board gave me at the last meeting. I've also have some language that I'd like to include. I had a conversation with Bob Thgo earlier today. Jim and I are going to have to

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talk on this too, but to have put something else in there that streamlines the reimbursement process and makes it a little more clear and less subjective. Um Eileen always did a great job of doing that in the past, but uh I think we need something that's easy for

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someone to say if when it gets below this amount, it's reimbured this amount as opposed to I guess what used to happen was I would call it say how much more do you think you're going to build? And again, it worked, but I think this probably could help a little bit, make

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it a little bit easier. Um and uh I'll circulate those changes as well next. >> Great. Any questions for Cara? >> Jim. >> Yes, sir. >> Master plan committee. >> So, we're working on it. We made good progress last week. Um, I have to get

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the climate change related hazard vulnerability assessment to the environmental commission to review. We're going to do kind of a life version of it. But, as I talked to Melissa month or two ago, I said, "Well, she agreed. Why don't you go ahead and prepare it and then I'll send it to them for

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review." And just a reminder, we need to incorporate that into this amendment because we did not prepare it at the time. That rule was new at the time. We were well into the master plan process. So, you know, there were some items that addressed it in that master plan, but we need to go and do that since we're

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amending it. But I would expect we'll have a full draft within the next two weeks. And then what I'll do is we'll be with master plan committee go over that and then we'll, you know, polish it up and bring it to the full board to review the draft. Okay.

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on that that last night um councilman announced that the shade tree commission they finally had the shade tree ordinance in draft that it had been circulated and read it was now was attorney corsini to review so it'll be going to the environmental commission

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and then it should be coming here um this has been a really long time coming so um keep looking >> does does any of that need to live in the master plan versus this. >> Well, the trees trees themselves are >> the trees, you know, we had insisted and

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wanted to have a better quality >> of tree. Um, so I I don't know if that list lives in the master plan or if >> um I might stick a paragraph in there just to reference, but you know, it

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we'll see. Let's see how the timing lines up, but it's probably worth imaging. Anything else? This is it. >> Okay. All right. So, we actually have minutes. Okay. Um that were circulated.

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We have minutes. Um we're going to do this one at a time because different people can vote on different things. So, um sorry, this could take a minute. So, minutes for March 24th, 2026. I need a motion and a second. >> I can move it. I second.

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>> Okay. Is there any discussion or clarification on the minutes from the 24th? >> Okay, let's call the roll. >> Mayor Carol, >> yes. >> Council Vice President Englehart, >> yes. >> Mr. Dashna, >> yes.

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>> Mr. Schlanganger, >> Mr. Schau, >> yes. >> Miss Wangle, >> yes. Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hayne.

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>> Same for me. >> Mr. Apple. >> Uh, yes. >> Uh, Mr. Papers. >> Yes. Mark, >> you have seen her. >> Okay.

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>> Yeah, I don't typically write down here. >> All right. Uh, the next one was April 14th. Yes. >> Any discussion on minutes for April 14th?

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>> Call the roll. >> Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Council Vice President Angelhart. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dashna. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schwanker. >> Yes. >> Mr. Shob. >> Yes. >> Miss Winkle.

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>> Yes. Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hayne. >> Yes. >> Mr. Eckle. >> Uh, yes. >> Mr. P. >> Okay.

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>> All right. April 28th minutes we do not have yet. So, let's move to May 12th. >> Any discussion or clarification on the May 12th minutes? Call Res. >> Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Council Vice President Inglehart.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Dashna. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schlanganger. >> Yes. >> Mr. Shob. >> Yes. >> Miss Swingle. >> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hayne.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Apple. >> Mr. Fabers. Yes. >> Thank you. >> All right. And then the meeting on May 19th. >> I'll move second. >> Any discussion or clarification on the

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minutes for May 19th? >> Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Council Vice President Englehart. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dhner. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schwanger. >> Yes. >> Mr. show. >> Yes. >> Miss Swingle.

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>> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hayne. >> Mr. Heckle. >> Uh, yes. >> Mr. Pers. >> Yes. >> All right. Thank you.

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>> Caught up mostly. Um, item on the agenda for the planning board this evening is resolution for the sport wash that is still in process. >> Yes. So, it's been distributed. I have some comments back from um some of our professionals. I'm waiting for the applicants council to give me a red

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line. Um on their end, they are there was also some exhibits that we were missing um that they also provided and the applicants perfectly fine with us adopting this at our next meeting. Um between now and then, I hope by the middle of next week I should have a final to be able to distribute

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everything. >> Okay, great. Um so we'll keep that on the agenda for next. Um, okay. Great. Uh, next item on our agenda tonight is a completeness determination for River Crossing YMCA block 15 lot 564

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Kapner Street. Um, that is you can >> we can we can have somebody come up in the front if we want. Uh, >> I'll stand. That's okay. >> That's fine. Just turn the mic a little bit so you can be heard. Um, >> we are in um Oh, sorry. Introduce

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yourself. Sure. Start with uh nice to be back. Jeff Chang uh from Volver Fox Rothschild Prison Office. Uh I think I was here about maybe a year ago now. Uh so on behalf of River Crossing YMCA, we're here um on completeness review. Uh we did receive June 2nd, 2026 review

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letter from Bob Clerico from Van Clee Engineering. Um we're in agreement with that. If that's something that the board is uh okay agreeing to, we'd be more than happy to accept that. And I do also have my engineer here in case there's any questions or comments. I uh just

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wanted to make sure we're here to answer any questions. >> So when you say you're in agreement, you will either provide the information that's requested, ask for the waiverss that were requested and ask the board to grant the temporary permanent. >> The only thing with temporary, I just want to make sure I understand it. I think there was some open comments on

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temporary that um Bob deferred to. I think it was one to Mr. Troutman regarding traffic and then one to environmental commission. So I'm happy to work with the board and uh those respective individuals and board if they require them we'll provide it.

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>> So uh just for the record uh Jay uh sent the note earlier saying that he was okay with a temporary waiver um and that it would be handled at the public hearing for the transportation traffic related uh issues. >> Okay. So if the board sees fit, they

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would make a motion to adopt all the recommendations in Mr. Clerico's review letter. December June 2nd 2026 and de application complete. >> So just in and the it's the temporary

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waiverss are on utility issues um soil conservation EIS for the metal commission um wetland delineation LOI with NJT traffic. We just talked about what hazard and the as bill does

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that those are things that that bother recommended waiverss for >> and as always if the board's reviewing the application it finds it needs any of those or anything else they can always ask the applicant to provide them. >> All right so um can I get a motion to deem it complete

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uh with those uh with the permanent and temporary waiverss in Bob's letter second. >> Is there any further board discussion or questions? Okay. Call please. >> Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Council Vice President.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Dashna. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schlanganger. >> Yes. >> Mr. Shoe. >> Yes. >> Miss Swingle. >> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hayne. >> Yes.

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>> Mr. Eckle. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Thank you. So, um question of scheduling, uh usually what we do is after completeness is we figure out when you know for scheduling for a public hearing. >> Yeah. >> Um we do we our next meeting is June

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23rd. That's not going to work for you in terms of timeline, right? >> Um in >> I think July I have a date page. We're available the two dates in July. Uh I guess in your calendar if those are the dates you're still meeting. >> We Yeah, they're on those are the dates.

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I will say the second meeting in July, we have another matter that's already been scheduled. Um where there's >> we've got a conflict attorney and and and it and with professional scheduled for the first meeting in July. >> Yeah, we're available.

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>> That would be the seventh. Yeah. >> The seventh or 14th? >> The seventh. >> Okay. >> Right. I had >> I don't know why you did that, but >> then the 14th >> I had the seventh and the 28th. >> 14th and 28th.

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>> It had to it was >> it had I think it had to do with council and somebody else and the July something or it was there was a there was a there was a rationale for having it. I just don't remember. >> When is it? >> The 7th to 28th. So >> it is the same objective.

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>> Yeah. >> So >> you know and we have a 22 foot list. So we'll go and prepare the legal notices. I may have uh counselor review to make sure it's all in order. Uh but we'll be back at least with the team. I may be

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having my wife may be having a baby end of June. So I may not be here but one of my colleagues is on the client's okay with Ruben Perez senior associate. Uh I believe he actually grew up in Fington. So he may be coming in theory. Uh, not sure he's well prepared.

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We have attorneys at MR just happened just that just happened. >> Was not long ago. >> So, so you July meeting >> your baby's born during the hearing for this and it all goes well. They got to

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remember the life of a date. YMCA. >> Thanks. >> Um item 10 on our agenda this evening is a discrimination for the Flemington First Rescue Squad building.

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um which uh um there was a letter issued by uh Bob Clerico um and having received the letter, we got a communication earlier from the client from the applicant's attorney today. I think we got it earlier today. >> Um asking that we not make a

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determination at this meeting. They want to clean up the stuff and hopefully have it all in to have it for the next meeting. >> That's fine. I guess >> I I would prefer I mean I I think what he was saying was they were not going to appear tonight because they saw the

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recommendations of Bob and they're going to address them. I would recommend though just so we don't have any timing issues. Let's deem it incomplete, right? >> Doesn't stop them from giving in everything for the next meeting and being on. But what it does stop is us and Caitlyn having to

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stop. >> Okay. So, and and and I would say we don't want to I don't want us to be granting any waiverss or anything at this point. I would just say Junction, we'll deal with the waiverss then. >> No. And again, he asked for us not to consider he that he was not going to appear to

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address the items in the letter. So, because they're they're going to address it later. So, so >> can I get this way to do it? >> So, then can I get a motion to deem it incomplete? >> Move second. >> Any further discussion or questions? All right. Call Ro, please.

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>> Mayor Carol, >> yes. >> Council Vice President Angelhart, >> yes. >> Mr. Dhner, >> yes. >> Mr. Schlanganger, >> yes. >> Mr. Scho, >> yes. >> Miss Swingle, >> yes. >> Miss Whitesman,

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>> yes. >> Mr. Hayne, >> yes. >> Mr. Apple, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Item 11, chair items. uh our meeting on the 23rd is our next meeting. Um we'll looks like we'll

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have completeness for this uh application might be there. We'll probably have some updates on escrow maybe the May master plan where where that is. Um but I don't see any other

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>> resolution for right. So should be a relatively straightforward meeting because there's no public hearings. But like I I keep saying, if you're not going to be here in the summer, please uh because we do have a few things that we we want to make sure we have a meeting, we have quorum. So even if you have to be remote, just I would ask if

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folks could email Caitlyn and I if you about your um uh if you're going to miss a meeting or if you're going to be late or anything like that or if you're need to be remote just so that we have it all in email just a little bit cleaner than texting just to be appreciated. So, um,

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uh, I don't have any other chair items. Does anybody else have anything? >> No. No. >> Were there bills? Did I see bills? >> There are bills. >> I forgot the bill. >> We'll get bills.

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>> Item 12, audit the bills. >> Awfully excited. Okay, my bills. >> There were two emails that went out looking for bills. >> This um >> well just because there were two batches that went out. We can take them all together. >> One aisle is too large to send as was.

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>> There we go. That's we are catching up. So can I get a motion to audit the bills? >> So move. >> Are there uh is there any discussion? Anything needs to come out? Everything looks okay. >> Wow. >> Looks good. Good. All right.

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Hello, please. >> Mayor Carol, >> yes. >> Council Vice President Angelart, >> yes. >> Mr. Dashna, >> yes. >> Mr. Schwinger, >> yes. >> Mr. Sho, >> yes. >> Miss Swingle, >> yes.

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>> Miss Whitesman, >> yes. >> Mr. Hane, >> yes. >> Mr. Apple, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Executive session. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> Move. Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I.

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>> Thank you all. >> Night. And a long bed.