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Sorry. >> Okay. I call to order the uh Tuesday, April 28th, 2026 uh planning board of Glen Beach meeting. Please, this in-person or virtual meeting is called for shortly updated revisions of the

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electronic meetings act. Both adequate and electronic notice of this inperson virtual meeting has been provided by way of publication in the Huntsman County Democrat and Curry News newspapers beginning in January 206. In addition, notice of the meeting was posted on the door of the Bington Municipal Building

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located at 38 Park Avenue and any handicap posted on the municipal website, provided to the municipal club and distributed to all persons with any requesting of the same. This meeting is being recorded with both audio and video and may be rebroadcast. This means this

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meeting is a judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments must be limited to the issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching their decision. and decorum appropriate to a judicial hearing must be maintained at all times. Please write as you are

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able to republic for it stands one nation under >> All right. So um as we know we don't have um secretary um with us um again today for personal reasons. Um before we

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start we know that I did reach out to us boy and I did send her a I sent her a plant bowl actually rather than flowers because I figured it was too much to deal with right now and she did say to me it arrived and she was very appreciative of of our concern for her.

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I'm sure she'll be back as soon as she's able. Um, but just wanted to make sure you knew that I've gone out to from the planning board to her um to wish her well right now at this time. >> Oh, we'll figure it out. Yeah. And you

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know where I live. >> Um, okay. So, um, because we don't have my story, I'll just hold >> here. Uh, Vice President Angelhart here. Mr. Campion >> here.

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>> I'm here. Miss Whitesman >> here. >> Miss Swingle is um absent. She excused. Mr. Show >> Mr. Schwang >> here. >> Mr. Dashner here. >> Mr. Eckle

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>> here. >> Mr. Hayne >> here. >> Mr. Pers >> here. Attorney Kazinski here >> was excused. >> Thank you everybody. Right. I got all. All right. First item on our agenda is

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uh time for public comments. This is specifically for comments relating to something that is not on our current agenda. If anybody in the public or online use the raise hand feature wishes to make a comment at this time, please raise your hand. So we can acknowledge

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him. Seeing none and I'll move on to item two. >> Not online either. Right. >> No. >> Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Excellent. Move on to council comments. Three, please. Um no with the exception

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that we um uh was presented by um the HPC last night um the um CL approval and approved that last night. >> Thank you.

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>> Um item four HPC comments please. >> Uh hi. I have several items. Uh Caitlyn had forwarded decisions that were made at our April 15th meeting. Uh one item was 40 Broad Street modifications was

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approved. 168 to 170 Main Street windows front and southside were approved. 56 Pennsylvania Avenue windows approved with recommended changes. Um and then uh

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also I shared that um the HPC is good with the June 9th joint HPC planning board public hearing for the three properties. Um so we're all set. We just have to do the notifications. Um so

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we'll have Caitlyn, I guess, do that when she's back. Um and then thanks to the burough council for approving the ordinance update. So now the HPC can apply for certified local government. And then last but not least, we are

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having the house and garden tour on Saturday, June 6th from 11 to 5. If anyone's interested in helping out, you get a free ticket. Just let me know. Thanks. >> Okay. Thanks, Dennis. Um

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item five, environmental commission comments. I'm guessing being as we have no Melissa, do we anybody else has any? And the reports are good. >> Well, they they do have that cleanup day coming. >> Reported it last time, didn't she, as well? >> Yeah, they're still looking for uh for

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people to help. And uh some donation of snacks or drinks. Um >> and that was June 8th, was it? >> No, it's May 30th with the rain May 31st, I believe. >> And they're going to target the areas the trolley stops are at.

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>> Right. >> So, of course get your jacket out. Sounds good. All right. Thank you. Um item six, professional report professionals have a report. Also, regarding the environmental

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u they did present an an ordinance which was also adopted last night u banning the planting of bamboo in the burrow and the requirement for this bamboo to remain on people's properties and not encroach others. Um,

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>> and I what >> I said good luck with that. >> Good luck with that. Yeah. And there were questions about other invasive species that the girl might want to entertain. Our attorney did suggest we let this sit and see if it works. You know, like people started targeting

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other stuff. >> Okay. >> I think the D just adopted regulations on invasives. Like you can't like commercial nurseries can't sell certain plants. >> That was the discussion last night too. The pear or the smelly pear.

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>> There's some smelly pear tree. >> Calorie pear. >> Yeah. >> Awful. >> We just call it a smelly pair. >> Well, glad we don't need to have that. Hopefully. Um Okay. So, any professional reports?

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Yeah. No, other than what's happening today. Okay. Um, item table is approval of minutes, but with our current situation again, we'll be in a little bit of a delay with our minutes again at this point. >> Once we play catch up again,

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>> did it manage to do that, which was appreciated. >> Um, all right. So, um, with that being said, let's move straight on to item eight, continuence of the public hearing. But our wash LLC application

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25502 continued from March 24, 2026 and April 14, 2026. >> Back in the day in December last year, I'm gonna to make this official. I we were at board discussion. I'm going to

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move that we reopen the public hearing so we can hear from uh the applicant. A second roll. >> Let's do it. >> All right. >> Mayor Carol, >> yes. >> Anglehart,

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>> yes. >> Mr. Campion, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Whitesman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. SL Slinger. >> Yes. >> Yes. Mr. >> Yes. Um yeah, before we move on, if you don't

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mind, sir, I just also um I um I gave a proof that I was watched the last meeting on there. >> Yes, please. and then turn on the camera, but don't audio.

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>> Well, that's that's rude of me. I was just trying to help. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> You have one. Do you need one? >> Do we have another spare one here? They're printed out.

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>> Okay, >> go. >> You'll have It's application 20250. >> You'll have to fill in >> the date that you missed is the one that you >> either March 21st, >> December

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24th. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> No, I'm I'm Mine is December >> December 16. >> I just don't have >> December 16th, right? >> Yeah. all squared away before we did on the video. I'm like, we're saying

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I need to certify that. >> All right. And I'll ask some more to Sir So now we've um we reopen the public hearing but we were in discussion stage or but we're reopening before that stage

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or we're still in our reopen and then can present whatever he has in connection with whatever he has. >> Okay. I'm excited >> ready. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Listen long last name.

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>> Thank you. >> That's all right. Well, listen. Good evening everyone. Uh John Wescala back on behalf of Spark Car Wash. It is our pleasure to be back this evening. This is continuation of the hearing. We were last here actually just two weeks ago uh

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April 14th or may recall we finished our case. We put on all of our testimony uh and there was board discussion and deliberation. And as the board will recall and we certainly got the messaging, there was still a concern

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primarily with respect to imperous coverage relative to lot five. Recall lot five is the larger lot. We were uh you know building the farm wash on lot six although our lease line goes over onto a joining lot five. board may

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recall we were originally the original imperous coverage on lot five was 85% uh and we proposed green space which brought that down to 81% uh and relative to lot six the car wash

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lot uh we brought that coverage from 81% down to 72% but really the focus of the discussion was lot five you got an ordinance that you know has has a standard of 70% % uh

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and that is when we we broke uh and uh really to provide ourselves with the opportunity to speak with our landlord relative to coverage. There's been a bit of an evolution over the last two weeks. We started out with a plan uh in initial discussions uh where we got

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the coverage down to 76%. Uh we went back took another look uh with our engineers uh and then came up with a plan that provided for 73%. We added two large green spaces into

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various parking lot areas and modific drive aisles and so forth uh on lot five. Uh and we actually submitted a plan uh that was circulated. I think Mr. Clark looks like he has it in front of him. Uh but I will tell the board and

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perhaps in hopes of making this a shorter meeting this evening uh we took a a further look back had further dialogue uh with the landlord uh in in in hopes of of getting an agreement to get us to 70% on lot five

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and we come up with a plan that gets us to 70% and brings us into conformance on lot five. We're still at 72 on lot six. Uh but as to live five, we are now at 70%. I stole my engineers thunder

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because I wanted to be the one to at least deliver the news on it to give the summary. But uh I am joined tonight by a tongue to lamb. He's principal with Bowler. He works with Doug who's been here. Doug, you may recall when we were here sometime, I think was it was last

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summer, Doug was just about to get married. Well, he's actually on his honeymoon right now, not a couple of days ago. So, we didn't we didn't keep him to in town to come back here, but uh we have Tumto. Uh we do need to have him sworn in because he hasn't been here,

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but he's been part of the design team. He's seen the record, etc. Uh we'll have him sworn, qualified, and I'll have him put up our revised exhibit. Uh and we would have provided it sooner, but we uh we really just kind of came up with it today and found more green space to uh

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to add on to the >> Great. Um, share the testimony about to give the sword the truth, the whole truth, and the name of the truth. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Spell your name for the record. >> First name is Tonto. T U N G T O last name Lamb. L A M.

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>> And Mr. Lamb, can you provide the board with a summary of your educational professional background and licenses you hold? >> Uh, 2004 graduate from State Institute of Technology, Bachelor of Science degree in civil engineering tech. Um, PhD candidate at Buckers in civil

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environmental engineering. um a licensed engineer in the state of New Jersey and surrounding states been a employee at Boulder for over 20 years. Currently hold position as principal. >> You've been qualified as an expert before other boards in the state. >> I was actually here not too long ago

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actually like a decade ago for the board. >> All right. Anybody got any questions or concerns about students? >> Mr. Lamb, I'm going to turn it over to you. I gave a summary of of where we were and where we've gone and uh I know

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whatever you're going to mark. We're going to start at I think we're up to exhibit A19. >> Correct. >> Can you just give us the name of that exhibit and the date? >> Yes. 819 with today's date. It is the 70% imperous cover exhibit. This is hot

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off the press. The ink hasn't been dry yet. I was literally working on it about 5:00 today. >> And T, why don't we put that up on the screen, too? So, >> it has a sheet number though, does it? So, >> yes.

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>> 428. >> All right. Yeah. >> Multiple You should be allowed to share multiple multiple >> I selected that you should be okay. >> Yeah, it's doing I'm getting a lot of

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swirling vortexes. >> Not this. No, this one. >> So, if if if you could like just to make it a little bit easier for everyone to see, close the tools window in Adobe there and it'll give us a little bit more real estate. >> Thanks.

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>> Good question. So there's two sides to it. The left side and the right side. The left side is what we were going to present. That was at 73%. Um that's you know after last hearing we went back did some

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homework with the property owner figure out where we could do some landscape area um lose some parking landscape. So we added two patches of dark green area and that's what brought the improvements down 73. >> And just to be clear the dark green is what's proposed. light green that's

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shown up there actually is also just exist. >> Correct. >> So what you see on the right hand side is we are losing an additional 20 parking stalls and the drive associated with it and that's what bring it down

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from 73% that was first minute and 70%. So we listened we went back that's what we're back with. >> So we basically just have we have those three large new green areas >> buckets. Yep. And that's those those are

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ask questions. >> Is that that's >> stol my testimony. >> All right. >> He know we know it's >> right. So we usually ask our professionals then questions please.

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>> Um any challenges with existing drainage out there? I know there's not a lot of inlets and stuff, but comfortable. >> Might have to ask um we have our surveyor scheduled to go out there after tonight if we're successful. So um and that will be part of the compliance to

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provide any additional um calculation and so on. But we are reducing improve so it's only getting better, >> right? We just have to make sure the water gets to >> Is your intention in the additional areas to stab grass? We'll look to have

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some type of wildflower semix to it. Um some type of lowmaintenance um you know promotion for their species. So >> would your lease agreement allow you to maintain landscaped areas that are that are within your lease area? >> It will be an overall shopping center

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camp. So that's just part of it. So uh spark will maintain within the lease area and beyond will just be part of the existing landscaping things. So same thing snow piles and so on. Okay. Any other questions? Professor, >> um I have one for the demolition of the

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to create these areas. At what depth are you demolishing down the pavement through to to get to what level? >> We're moving the curb. We're moving the full depth of the pavement. We're moving the DGA and replacing that with um top soil

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>> to a depth. There's roughly 12 in. >> How many parking spaces is it taken away? >> That's 20. She's 20 point in this spot. And then

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>> let's put it this way. How many are you leaving? 89 roughly. >> Yeah, I'm leaving 94 to be exact. 94. Okay. So >> it was 40 94 >> five. So

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>> 40 I think it's about 54 >> total. So 20 plus >> roughly. Yeah. If I remember lastly the numbers correct that makes sense. >> What's the minimum required? Minimum required was eight I think we calculated

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was 89 for the other existing uses of >> yes >> it still complies >> but much greater >> way >> greener >> question um I noticed that you defined

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that entry road coming from 202 into um the shops of Flemington and it uh better with the you know with the definition of those green spaces. So the question is um to kind of follow up I believe on

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something that just asked um are the are the is that road being defined in that green spaces with the wildflower mix like you said going to be um along the curb? Are there going to be

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bushes or trees along that curb to define that that entryway? What did you what did you propose to define the entryway besides the the actual green? >> You have curbing >> so physical demarcation >> the existing tree lines on top of it

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where the spark color wash is there's you know additional landscaping that was previously testified to right now the idea is leave those additional pockets as wild flowersowers but you could work with your um staff on the exact planting mix. There are some underground basins

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in our area. So we got to be sensitive to those areas. So but where we can we could work with your professionals >> will be writing a piano >> that you so you're proposing that you would work with Kyle.

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>> Can I just following up on that point then? Is it not the case in the patches are a strange shape but is that because the pale green is that's landscape and it's already existing landscape. >> Yeah, I can see. >> So it just makes more fun.

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>> Yeah. We just want to show the two colors so you see what's new and what's old. >> So would you be tying like if you're doing um like the flower mix that you mentioned, would you be doing that on the existing and the new to tie it all together? Correct.

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The patch is just there to see the folks there. >> Would that require any um kind of construction on the existing like would you have to >> It's on lot five required application. So there's no additional lots being added.

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>> No, what I mean is on the existing landscaping area, do you have to kind of pull anything up or move anything to have it kind of work with the new green space at all? >> At this time, we're not looking to remain landscaping plantings. So I'm simply removing the curving that's in the way and putting in new curving to

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redefine the area and putting in the cmix and supplementing with plantings. >> Maybe we'll want to throw a few shade trees here and there. >> The tongue tongue tail the basin is under that central

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the one you added right. >> It's right in this pocket there. So it's under both. It's basically the McDonald Police area >> and then right after that is the underground basin. Okay. >> So, you know, we just have to be sensitive to that area. >> We don't want any trees near there. So, >> okay.

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>> So, we got from that. I mean, there's still larger area that we could play around with to be okay. >> We can work with Mr. Lamb's office, maybe add some shade trees where appropriate, but we got to be careful. We don't want tree roots getting into the underground detention. So, >> um I just wanted to come back on the

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issue of um maintenance. I know you're the the the long the term is that you're going to put this wildflower mix in and that sounds awesome. My worry is is there what's the I worry that it weeds take over before the wild flowers take over or is that

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not the way with with these wild flower plantings are they is it successful that way or >> we have used it on a number of project and they're very susceptible >> they give you bursts of colors all four seasons um you paint once a year >> twice a year type thing that's really it

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looks good >> because I was just wondering because your testimony was that the that those New areas, seated areas are outside of your requirement to maintain them. Is that correct? >> It's outside of the lease area, but still part of the shopping center as a whole.

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>> Right. >> So any common area, trees, etc. >> Okay. Right. Anybody else? >> Yeah. >> No, I was just going to ask the um bringing it down to the 70% impervious

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coverage. I can't recall whether the um requirements for the amount of shade trees um met the threshold or not at the higher amount um >> you mean on lot six >> on lot six

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>> um or were they required to add more or >> I think they met the requirement >> lost they put a big cluster in the side >> right And so just my only comment is for the new areas if you can incorporate

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shade. >> Yeah, we'll certainly work with Mr. Kle >> define that street a little more with a couple trees on >> the maintenance thing is probably just not my part. So I know that there's kind

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of a common agreement with maintenance right now. I don't know if you're adding does that increase the cost of the maintenance? Is the landlord like agreeing to any additional? >> It all adds to our costs. We're taking it all on uh to to improve

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uh our landlords lot and uh you know we certainly have a very vibrant planting and but our focus is going to be on on car wash property you know where you know we we've got significant plantings and so forth but uh you know we're

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looking to really just obviously make the center look better through through these reductions. I guess my question was for the parts that you're not responsible for like is there additional costs that >> we still have to contribute to a >> but it's a landlord's responsibility as

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well to maintain just >> okay >> so first of all I want to just say thank you >> for hearing us and uh also to the landlord for being willing to work with you because I that you had indicated

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that you weren't sure landlord would. So, I'm really happy that everybody heard us. >> No, we we appreciate it, mayor. And ju and just so everybody, the landlord was actually very cool about it. Uh, you know, we had a number of discussions and honestly, you know, we first presented

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these things. He's got tenants that are there, but you're never really quite sure, and they have different ideas, and we're sure that they'll lose one tenant or another. So they certainly wanted to m maintain flexibility but you know we we contained

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the me you know conveyed the messaging and so forth. Uh but they've been here a lot of years and they were you know at least one of them the family were the original minor operators. >> Well the children of the original >> Yes. So there's there's different

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factories. I don't know them all but uh but they were they were happy to help out. they may very well end up back here in the future, but uh well now they're going to come back and it's a 70% requirement and whatever they do, they'll have to present to it here. >> So I really I'm very grateful that you

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heard it. I would really like to see some um what's the word? Sercape happy plantings like because you you have you don't have water there. We know you're putting in water for your plants five and a little

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bit of six. So >> otherwise reversed at six and >> Yeah. Sorry. Yes. >> Um but if you could do some zeros escaping with some some drought tolerant shrubs to define those areas and some

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you know some trees that would work with less water. I mean you're certainly going to have to water them for the first couple of years. >> Um but it would you could admit to doing that. Um, it would make a nicer site for

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everybody and also allow the trees to convert more of the carbon monoxide into oxygen. >> Agreed. And we'll like we'll work with the professionals in that regard. That's fine. >> Really appreciate that. Thank you. >> Quick question. I know with the new

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stuff on the right side. So like you can still come out of the McDonald's and >> Yes. >> cut through. Okay. >> We kept the >> Yeah. It's hard to see the green the green there. So that >> just wanted to selectively place the greens. You know we want to maintain the function the flow of traffic but just

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you know try to take some away. >> Finds it a little bit more too having those spaces because before you're just like where am I going? >> Right. Yeah, I sort of had a redundant drive by >> Well, there were never any cars there. So, >> exactly.

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>> Unfortunately, >> all right. Um, okay. So, our board members online. Anybody have anything? I've got Dennis. Dennis is waving. Sorry, I've got something covering up your face on my screen, Dennis. Um, >> I I just had a question. Um, did you look at what it would take to make the

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combined property at 70%. >> No, >> you don't know what it would take. How many more spaces? >> What What's the size of lot six? 41 >> 37141 be about 743 square ft.

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Um, >> so that's what is that? Five parking spaces. What is that? >> Um, if it's just parking spaces, it's five. >> Yeah. >> But then they're at then they're then they're then they're right at the line of their um >> required

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>> partly. Yeah, we're right at the line plus we're trying to maintain the parking that's really behind those retail spaces as well. >> That's really where they're going to have the primary. We got McDonald, we got the McDonald's lot there, etc. >> This is the lease area. >> Uh, that lease area. So, we really

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didn't want to lose more spaces. Landlord didn't want to lose more spaces. >> Yeah. And Jim, question for you. If even so even if that lot was say 68% I'm thinking in that swatson day >> and the overall was that they still need

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the variant they still need the thing for the the other one it's still technically sensitive still need it doesn't negate their need for that any so that's the thing >> does that make sense Dennis >> is there two separate >> I mean there's a lot of spaces in the

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car wash that area. Okay. >> Right. Well, >> all right. Do you have any other questions, Dennis? >> Don, do you have anything? >> No, I have no no questions. >> Thank you. Hi.

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>> I do not. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Right. Yeah. I think the members are miss any members of the public have questions for this witness in the room and I don't see anybody

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raising their hand on the zoom link so none. >> So that is that concludes our case. It concludes our testimony. Uh we appreciate all the time and consideration the board's put in here. We think it's a terrific project. It's going to be a vast improvement uh to

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this center. is going to put this property back into utility and we would respectfully request that the board uh grant approvals when the application as submitted and as amended uh with the modifications we've made some other modifications along the way too besides

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what spoken about tonight. uh we've already spoken to clients for new professional reports and everything obviously we spoke about tonight in terms of working on landscaping treatments for these uh these new herbous areas etc. Uh I think we've done

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everything that we're supposed to relative to storm water management uh uh particularly in light of this further reduction from 81% to 70% uh on lot five. And uh with that uh thanks again to the board.

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Thank you. Um, so I need a motion to close. >> Actually, you need to ask for public comments first. >> Comments, please. >> The witness. So, >> all right. So, I'm going to ask for any public comment before we close the public hearing. Anybody in public or

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online have any comments they wish to make at this time? >> I do. I do. >> Okay. Come on up. Can you come on up to >> Name is Craig Stat. uh or swear swear in or

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>> not about anything. >> Yeah. I just want to be sure the board has uh I' I've not been here before, but I've seen the testimonies online. I want to be sure the board has uh comfortable with the previous testimonies on water

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consumption, sewer usage and things and you verified uh issues. I know that one of the testimonies I said they questioned what we do at Shamashshine and what we report is inaccurate and it's not inaccurate.

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So, uh I'm here late. Maybe I should have been here a couple meetings ago, but uh and I don't want to be that late guy that comes in and causes you folks more uh problems, but I had I I noticed a lot of

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inconsistencies with the testimony in regard to what I know to be what we do as far as water consumption and sewer discharge and uh as far as speak. >> Okay. >> Make make you aware of my decision.

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>> Thank you. >> You're welcome. I think in terms of what sewer they have to they have the will serve letters and >> correct and I I saw that you know I did so if you're comfortable with that you're the you know professionals you got back up on their testimony then I

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just want to come come and bring that forward that I put a little exception that they brought up that we weren't doing what we represent we do we do do what we represent we do and uh that's why I'm here

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>> thank you appate appreciate. Anybody else from the public have a comment they wish to make at this time? Okay. See none. Can I get a close the public hearing? >> And I'll say

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that's the one I heard first must be better. Sorry. >> All right. Could we take a roll call on that please? >> Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Vice President. >> Yes. >> Mr. Campion. >> Yes. >> Given. >> Yes. >> Mr. Whitesman.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Sch. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dasha. >> Yes. Mr. >> Yes. >> All right. For discussion comments. Right. Does

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anybody have any questions of like Thank you for up. >> Let me ask Jim, you're you're we kind of quickly went through the you'll work with them to figure out if you know some shade trees on there. Is there anything you need from us more than what's

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already been put on the record in terms of guidance for that? >> I do not. >> Okay. >> And this kind of wildflower mix thing, you're you're comfortable with that being appropriate treatment for this? >> I am. It's a low water, lowmaintenance

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type of ground cover. So, as Mr. Lamb said, it's an attractive treatment. I think if we put some, you know, almost have a meadow appearance. So, it's a good, you know, Mayor Car was talking about zeroscaping, that's a good option because it's smaller consumption. So,

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um, I think it's a fine alternative. Typically, we're using a wet bob and sometimes in detention basins or, you know, things like that. So, >> but also with some drought tolerant bushes and committed to trees. Yes. If there were a

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number of still open things, there would be conditions for your action in reports. >> And Jim, from a from a planning standpoint, using that landscaping to highlight the direction and and stress

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the where that road comes in and out would be my request on your, you know, for when you're working with them. >> You have a choice to put it here or here. I mean try to highlight the fact that that road is uh one of the main entrances to that complex. >> We'll do.

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>> Thank you. >> No J I'll put all the board professionals in it just in case because there was some >> potential drive aisle impact. So we need to >> Yeah. We need to make sure the trees aren't hanging over the drive aisles and

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things like that. >> Right. >> That would probably be Jay's primary concern. But we can, you know, we can pull them off the curve and we >> Right. >> Excellent. >> So then, Cara, this means that the So,

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so obviously they 70% means they're not they don't need any relief on that lot on that lot. They still need the relief on the lot where the car wash is. In terms of Bob's discussion around storm water that we had at the last meeting, does

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does this resolve any of the because there was a discussion we had that was kind of adding this adding this this this extra vein space. Does that also discharge some of the issues that you had in your letter?

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>> I'm feeling it might is why I was asked. Uh I'll be honest with you, I didn't even go back and look at um obviously it's a reduction in various covers as a group, you know, from a similar perspective. Um

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I apologize that um I thought in our letter we indicated those issues were resolved. The same indicates they weren't resolved. >> No, no, no, no. I I we we were having this question. It was more than just the impervious coverage. was also the storm water.

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>> I'm a local storm water. >> It was the nature of the BMP. >> Yes. >> Right. >> So if I mean my my gut is that by getting us to 70 using this planting space they're use they're they're doing

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stuff that would be consistent with what I think water uh treatments we would want to have. Right. >> Yeah. That would be a a safe assumption. But I'll be honest, I didn't go back I didn't go back any. Okay. I just felt like this would this

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would also check that off the list of of how open questions. But but that if if they're if they're already testifying that they're you know agreeing to work with the board's professionals dig. I just wanted for I guess we spent some

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time on it at the last meeting. Yeah. Does anybody else have anything to raise? >> Well, I mean, I think the what the discussion that we had, correct me if I'm wrong, was almost um academic if if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if you want to describe it as sex because like

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you know like you said if we can prove this then that doesn't apply anymore is correct Jeff >> that's what I'm kind of sort of remembering that's what I mean >> that's how I remember it too >> and I just wanted Bob to to weigh it I think >> I think some Jeopardy music on it

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>> I know you found >> yeah the original comic I think it was what I was driving that you know the applicant essentially based on the board's concern was expressed uh and the applicant's uh agreement with the property owner was that they

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>> there was one one of if I recall correctly one of the um nine strategies was to reduce impervious coverage to the amount >> was practical >> and we were indicating that prior to this they had excess parking they really weren't hitting that target >> right so what I'm saying is that now

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that they've gotten this down to 70% it that comment is now moved because it's they don't need to reduce to practical because they're now >> in compliance and that's the end of the story. Is that that would that be a fair >> Well, they're slightly over on the one, but they got close. They they brought it

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down there. I guess their testimony is that they got they reduce this to the maximum extent practical. >> I think that's the language that's in in the storm, >> right? I think we concluded that for lot six. Lot five was five question. >> Exactly. >> So, there was wasn't much else they

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could do on lot six, right, >> to get that down, but there there was all this excess parking on five, right? That's what they're addressing. So, so it feels it feels to me then that we've resolved that concern by the So, it resolves not just the variance relief, but it resolves the stormwater question

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Bob is what I'm saying. >> Okay, good. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, general discussion. >> Yeah. I just So, this is this zoning is zoned for car washes.

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As a matter of good planning for the town, I really hate that this is going to be a car wash. That can't be any I can't be dishonest about how I feel about it. Um, with this addition, we will have four car washes within 1.25 miles of Fington

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Burough. That's like silly. It really is. And I don't consider it good planning. And I don't know, Cara, by law, if we can limit how many of anything we can have in a town. um like you know they've complied, they've done everything that we asked them to do. You

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know, I can't ask for a better applicant to jump the boots for us. But as a as a as a use for the burrow and bringing something fabulous and something to do to this town, it's it's really not

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not my vision. And it's disappointing to me that we're going to lose an opportunity um you know another restaurant pad which we certainly need more restaurants that serve dinner in this town um and an opportunity for something else.

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It's no fault of Sparks. I mean we're certainly taking taking the opportunity that they have but from a matter of planning I don't think it's great planning. We just don't to have four car washes within, you know, there's two in the burrow of Flemington. We're a mile

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square and we've got two car washes in Flemington. Another one right on our border, literally about 100 feet from our border, and another one right down the road, like less than a mile away from our border. So, it's just um not

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happy about it. And I, like I said, I guess under the law, we can't say >> there's only one thing you can limit the number of dispensaries. We had this we had this been a similar discussion on a prior application about the number of hamburger trucks, you

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know, like it's >> it's frustrating. >> It is. It's just it's just not in my opinion the same. >> It brings >> putting this into a zone is fine, but you know, ending up with so many of the same thing that you know, it it doesn't

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it doesn't enhance the town. It's going to be a pretty site. It's going to enhance the sight, but it doesn't bring in my opinion any fet. >> So that's I just need to say it. >> It's a limitation of what we're allowed

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to do. We can only consider applications. We can we can we can you know in the future when we when we have our annual report and we have other places and we have a subcommittee working on on on the land use element right now we can certainly raise the

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question of appropries in certain zones and does do we need to you know >> for purposes of this purp you know >> I just don't want the record to be um clear as to what the board's consider considering as it's looking at the variances they're asking.

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>> No. And I and I don't want to have the board be confused about any of that either. I just just saying from a planning standpoint. You know, planning to me isn't just, you know, let's make it look pretty. It's also what do we need in this town? What do we want for the future? What we keep hearing from

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people is they want more stuff to do. Sitting in a car wash isn't, you know, maybe if you're five years old, it's great. I was going to say that therapeutic back

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>> because I'm by myself not related to >> something for us to be considered not discuss >> I I do want I want as a comment I do want to you know echo what Mor was saying about appreciating how the applicant heard us and went back and

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came back with something got to compliance on the big lots really took it seriously. Uh, and you know, it's it's appreciated. Um, when an outlet listens to us and earnestly hears what what we're trying to get to and

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recognizes the the real environmental concerns that a lot of us hold to make sure that we have, you know, as best we can minimize people in parking lots and covered and all the rest of it. So,

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I want to, you know, I'm I'm I'm h I'm happy to see I heard grumblings about the the 73 and I was >> okay. Maybe maybe we could have a conversation, but getting to 70 makes me much much happier. Um, I think it it's I think it does mean

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that the reason I was asked the question, I think it does get us to like a recognition that this is as good as they're going to be able to do on the farwash sites because of the constraints of a permitted use unfortunately. Um, the but the uh getting to 70 on the big

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lot is is exactly what our ordinance requires. So, >> so getting the addition of the big trees to clean the air >> will help as well. So it's appreciated. >> It is absolutely >> yeah I think about thinking like along

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those lines too. I think it's just also creating a better footprint in that area as well establishing that so that who knows along the future what can and can't go there. Um, but it's now we're helping to create a better footprint for patient to go into

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a tax pay as opposed to an empty site. So, you know, what can be there in the future isn't necessarily what it is. I do want to echo but I don't know how you do this and maybe this is something you do in your annual report or or

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future versions of the master plan but um working with Ritan Township being that we're the donut hole and they're the donut and coordinating efforts once in a while and I know that this bur this board over the

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years has attempted to do that once in a while and been turned down and often especially when we've got um sites that are either neighboring or close or even shared with Rington Township. It'd be nice if the two planning boards met once

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in a while and said, "Hey, you know, what's your plans? What's our plans? Where there's some connectivity with, you know, including use uses and things like that." But that's for another day. We don't want to bore this poor applicant anymore. Yeah, that's outside

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the perview of this discussion a little bit extend to the governor bodies. >> But just for the record, the empty will still pay taxes. They never ask for a tax appeal on it. >> I understand taxes don't go towards our consideration of the application. I

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understand. But it's a ratable that an active ratable is different than an empty. >> Um any other discussion comments on this? Good. So, I might be late to the game. You

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guys tell me what I can and can't say. >> Look at the drawing. I'm sure everything lines up, but just noticing the I'm looking at the drawing, too. So, >> this is not that drawing. >> Okay. Because I was I just noticed that here there's some parking spots that

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were taken out for the coverage and then they're back in over there. So >> yeah, I think they >> kind of moved some things around about five o'clock today. >> Yeah. No, I just just I noticed it and you see that. >> Yeah. So here there's five there spaces

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going back in here. Um >> Oh. >> So if these had stayed out, they would need a parking bearings. >> Yes. >> So >> that's what I have to try to balance it. >> Kind of double check myself. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> So not so much. >> No, that's fine. I mean, and that's

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caused by this is a last minute point coming in. So, we haven't had a chance to look over it, but that's >> nothing with it that proposing 70%. And if >> don't reflect 70% once they're working together, they're going to have to

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otherwise they have to go >> and spaces. Yeah. Spaces, too. >> Well, no. Well, part they're not asking parking relief and as long as they are conforming to 70% and they're not creating a parking deficiency for the existing uses, they can

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>> if they have to move things around to, you know, with our professionals, >> right? >> As long as they conform to that. >> Yeah, I would suggest we give them that flexibility just in case Mr. Lamp starts looking and oh, hey, I I can't put a curb here. I got, you know, as long as we get 70%. I don't think where the

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spaces are all that. in every honestly I didn't I couldn't tell looking at that where that was um is there a reason we want to keep those you want to keep spaces that's a very active aisle >> we wanted the space as closer to the main building as opposed to being remote

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that's the real reason behind it so >> to your point though like if you're backing into that main aisle that >> that parking there was previously was no different >> understood but Matt this your your only entrance into this facility is here.

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>> We have to be careful about testimony at this point. >> I mean, >> you don't part of this have >> Jens again the something along the lines of exhibit A19 will be finalized the satisfaction of the poor professionals

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and in compliance with the 70% coverage requirement. Something along those lines. Yes. Yes. All right. Board members online. I see Dennis is uh unmuted, ready to speak. >> I just said um the discussion about uh

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lot five where the landlord will maintain that. Um will there be language that ensures that the landlord does maintain this green area? You know, like

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>> Yeah. So Dennis, they have um what Mr. Witch Scall said the CAM. So that's common area maintenance. It's typical that all tenants in the center will contribute CAM and then the landlord is responsible for um getting a maintenance company to take care of it and all the

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tenants pay into it. So it would be just like any other maintenance that would occur centerwide. >> Okay. Thanks. And >> I don't know that we need um any specific condition that that should already be occurring and I don't want I don't want I don't want any response,

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John. It's okay. We already closed the public. >> Um so we'll but that's pretty that would be included in the common area maintenance for the entire center. >> Okay. >> Property enforcement code enforcement. Correct.

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>> Yeah. Right. Sorry. >> Okay. And then when we talk wildflower, I assume it's perennials, not annuals, >> correct? >> Okay, that's it for me. >> Thanks, Dennis. D have any comments, please?

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>> No, I think it's been all covered nicely. Thanks. >> Excellent. Mike online. >> Ready to vote. I'm good. >> Okay. All right. Thank you.

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>> It's my third time. Yes. >> All right. >> Anybody else? Well, I I echo what everybody said about I mean, we've we've had four public hearings on this now. The applicants come back and listen to everything that everybody said and been

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very proactive. Um I particularly enjoyed listening to the planner. Thought it was a really it was best one of the best planning testimonies in terms of succinctness and clarity. I enjoyed listening to that.

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Um and um yeah I they've certainly done everything that we have asked um that's that's been required to almost with all the percentages and the best they can do the other parts of especially for

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another. So that being said, can we Carla, can we um ask you to list out what conditions of any? >> Yeah. So compliance with all reports of the board professionals except as outlined in the resolution, which we'll go through. We had discussed some of

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them. I'll make sure I outline all of them. The applicants found by the approved plans and testimony provided on the record. The lighting, this was a question that I've had. The lighting shall only be on shall be on overnight for safety purposes. So safety lighting, I had a

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question. Is that okay? So that's something the board's going to have to indicate whether or not they want to include that as a condition. Obviously, all variances are as outlined in reports as well on the record. All non-permitted outdoor storage on lot five is to be removed but for storage

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noted as permitted in the zoning officer's letter what that was off hand >> the trail all utility approvals would be provided have the items in the professional reports that we'll include it as not

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being required. Um, change the background photo included on the plans. >> Oh, that that was a probably more of a prior issue. Um, they had the aerial underneath the line work. So, Bob's

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comment was it was kind of hard to figure it out, take the aerial out, but >> All right. So, I'll make sure I'll include that and if it's been done, it's been done. Um, no snow removal areas on the plans. No hazardous materials or cleaners used on site must come back if

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the Denies the permit request presented to and endorsed by the burrow or TMUA. Is that still applicable? >> Yeah, we're thinking that the permit will be issued but for some reason it's not. Okay, so that'll stay there. um RTMUA approval endorsement for the D

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application will comport with now this may have been resolved by virtue of this um will comport with Bob's letter uh P which marks PB11 and recommendations phase two completed no further action

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required again that it'll be one of the items in the letter I feeling that was the one that's now resolved by way of reduction imperance because now we don't have to comply with the local storm water requirements anymore but we deem the fact that both watts having as

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reasonably practical whatever that language is um lighting shut off after 8:00 p.m. The hours are 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. >> That answer your lighting. Yeah, because I was the vacuum lights that we were the safety lights are still part of the main

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building, but then the vacuum turn >> back. >> Uh I have here two snow. So it says reference snow placement areas on the plans and then I have snow placement area shall be to the north of the ice dry.

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>> I think that'll be added. >> Well, now we have these great to put snow on. >> There we go. uh trash pickup on the outside of op outside of operational hours. I had a question any prohibition against or any prohibition is to earliest time that

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trash pickup can occur. >> Lieutenant has an ordinance is 7 a.m. >> Okay. So compliance with ordinance compliance with state noise code 65 dB of residence. Okay. So, we talked a lot about this and

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I'll state this as best as I can. There's going to be a certification that the um that the water reclamation system has been constructed as required and designed by

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the v vendor manufacturer that they are purchasing from and will get some sort of report or uh startup report commissioning or startup report before issuance of a co compliance with the RV. Are you going to

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put the amount in there? The percentage that they have testified to you that they're going to do recycling. >> The first condition is that they're subject to the conditions of the testimony given. >> Correct. >> I can put 80%. >> No less than 80%.

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Um, compliance with the Remington running report and timing requirements. Uh, compliance with item 13 on Jay's traffic letter. It's included as before, but that's a do not enter sign. It's a condition. All temporary sign shall comply with

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ordinance requirements. Bike rack shall be included on the plans. Um tonight's exhibit A19 which indicates the 70% imperous coverage compliance

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will be revised to the satisfaction of the board's professionals and shall not exceed the 70% imperous coverage shown. Are you saying it would be revised? We're saying

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>> well it may need to be revised. So the final layout will be >> exactly as necessary. >> The revised as necessary. >> Yep. Yeah. 70% of pvious on lot five for exhibit A19 final design to satisfaction of professionals. That's a better way to word it. Um the applicant shall work

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with the board professionals on exact landscaping and tree mix in the planting areas old and new focusing as much as possible on drought tolerant uh plantings and in accordance with any burough ordinances. Um and then our standards all any

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necessary performance and maintenance bonds posted. Um and then the sign signed plan shall also be amended to list all the resolution compliance conditions all resol all conditions of the resolution

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somewhere on the plans. >> And that the um and then then we've got the variance relief that they're seeking >> all of it. Yeah. all the variances as outlined in the board profession in the board planners report with the exception

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of the impervious coverage on lot. So minimum minimum lot area, minimum lot width and the impervious on lot six for the standards. >> Yeah. >> Also minimum rear yard. Sorry.

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>> All right. >> Motion is motion. And the motion is to >> to Oh my gosh. Wait. >> We got two options. >> With the conditions

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>> as they're stated by >> Oh boy. My first one. Sorry. >> I was >> Is there another time for public comment or not? close. Sorry. >> Right.

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>> Uh second >> just have a question. I just have a question. >> I have a question to one of the conditions and how it's going to be enforced. >> Uh let's wait until we vote and then we >> All right. Motion second.

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>> Second. >> I think I missed it. No, I just missed it. >> All right. Wait now, right? Um Sorry, I threw a little >> uh Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Council Vice President Angelhart. >> Yes. >> Mr. Campion.

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>> No. >> Miss Gifin? >> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman? >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Sh? >> Yes. >> Yes. Mr. >> Dasha? >> Yes. >> Mr. Jack? >> Uh, yes. >> Okay. Thank you very much everybody. We

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appreciate it. Have a good evening. Pleasure. >> Let me just email. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> We'll send we'll submit >> just so they got it. support.

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>> We'll make sure you have all the hard copies. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, would you like to question now before we move on to the rest of our agenda? >> It would be answering it anyway. Yeah. >> Yeah. You had a question. >> Sorry.

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there um and the people I was referring to the um said that they could do 80% reclamation and uh very familiar in that we do allow for that. So you are requiring that they do 80% reclamation.

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>> They're going to require I suggest that you require that they install a sewer meter. >> If they're going to have a water meter incoming water and if you if you require that they have a sew sewer with discharge which are made we have then

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you can do the math between the incoming and the outgoing and you can tell whether they're in fact recycling in percent. So I think the issue with that as we discussed was they have irrigation landscaping on the entire study.

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>> So it was we couldn't do a >> No, I agree that there's a carrying off of pickup trucks water gets in the back. I don't really want to have a big discussion on this that there's hearings done but you know I I just wanted to give >> but there are ways around that there there there's applications done where

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municipalities want to know in fact exactly what they're doing for reclamation and there's a lot of gray area California Arizona other places it is required that they in other words you

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split incoming water is split into two water meters you have a one water meter coming in for your wash cycle. You have another water meter coming in for your irrigation. You have a sewer discharge meter. You can monitor the amount of water. They're

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actually it's not it's not hard to do. >> So, as Mr. Hel said what we had a big discussion about it at one of the meetings that unfortunately you weren't at and we felt that the what what we've put into our resolution is when we've asked for a commission and report of the system as it is so that we can prove

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that it's doing what they say it's going to do and that's what we put in that's what we were able to do >> so that's what we've done >> you're going to verify what they're doing >> but you don't want as as at the moment only the only time we could check it was at the moment they install it And that's

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what we've insisted on. That's what's in the resolution. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you for your input. >> You're welcome. >> Pleasure to be back here. Hasn't been here long. >> Don't we can do that like we do that. >> Let's all right. I have a discussion

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about it afterwards about how we that I appreciate that but >> all right let's move on to item n which is discussion responding to council resolution 2022 now couldn't do it last time because it wasn't issue there we we all saw it now

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we all saw what what we're discussing and what we know what we're moving move forward right >> we have to otherwise >> it got sent out but it I'm sure it is.

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>> Yes, >> now all I just put it as discussion but we also I believe K you prepped a resolution >> which they go out in the docket to everybody. >> So everybody saw that the proposed resolution. So I suggest the discussion focuses around anybody think that resolution needs to be different than

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what present. Oh, shall we just vote on that one? >> Yeah. And remember the board, the council has directed the planning board to his planner conduct a study as to

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whether or not Turntable Johnson area should be the only adopted. That's that's the limit to what the board's been directed to do and that's what the subject is. >> Yeah. This is just us directing our plan to create that report. Correct.

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>> Future. Correct. >> Not saying any number of other processes that have to go through. This is just starting the process. >> Right. Anybody have any comments, concerns, questions

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for the resolution as prepared by father? >> I'll move resolution 2026-13 authorizing the planning work planner to do the preliminary investigation. >> Second. I'll second. >> No.

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>> Council vice angleart. >> Yes. >> Mr. Campion. >> Abstain. >> Miss Gin. >> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> Miss. Uh. Mr. SH. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes.

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>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. E. >> Uh. Yes. >> All right, Jim. >> Going to be expensive. Let me know when my budget, please. I'd appreciate that. >> Sure. >> Um, okay. Item 10 is up for is a

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discussion of escro requirements and I'm not sure if Caitlyn sent some things to us, but we I don't think >> we're not there yet. I've made some changes. We have a list of what I'm looking to do. We've got an increase in 20%. I'm going to take a look at Readington's replenishment uh language

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which I've started putting in there. I've made the calculations. Um I put in some suggestions for when we should be notifying, how we should be notified. Um I should be able to have that circulating to everybody to take a look at.

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>> Basically just doing a red line of what your current word print is. >> Right. Thank you. So we'll table that to the next time when we got all that to discuss. It's great. Thank you very much. All right. Move on to item number 11

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items. Okay. Um just a reminder, I think you've all seen the message, but the disclosure she anybody's having any issues with that. It doesn't take very long if you've done it before. It all just populates and you just yes no um Did you manage to get a link and you got

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in? >> I am all >> You're all good. >> Should be good. >> You said you had an email. >> Oh, welcome. >> It was I was talking. >> Okay. Well, that's good. >> Maybe a question I have because I

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haven't gotten all the way through. I do have an issue because I know the deadlines. >> Who do I reach out to to try to help me if I am running into issues? I don't anticipate it, but >> Carla. >> Carla. Okay. >> Carer on this end, but there's also

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somebody at the state if there's a technical issue. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Start with Carl. >> I'll start with Carla. Okay. >> Yeah. >> I'll be working on it tonight tomorrow. >> I know. Well, luckily mine's really simple. >> Five minutes. >> It does be really simple, but some questions the first time for it, so you

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have to fill it all out after this year. It selfop. >> Just know the lawn block your house. Yeah, exactly. >> Which was weird. >> Where I officially is like very strange.

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>> Yeah, I just had to change. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's good. All right. Um, anybody else got anything they want to raise before I I have one more thing I want to raise. All right, here we go. All right. This is a little

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hard for me to do, so give me a few minutes. Um, I just want to say I've only been chairing this board for a few years, but I am really proud of what we've achieved um, in the time go through this applicant checklist. Simplify our processes, provide clear

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guidance to applicants, the HPC map update, and now they've moved towards CLG. Reducing our use of waiverss to simplify public hearing and save time and money. and amended our rules of business to respect the town of the board as volunteers and provide clear guidance for applicants.

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On the other hand, um my biggest challenge has been steering the board while transitioning through the loss of not one but two board secretaries and nobody's more aware of how helpful the secretary is than the chair. And I'm sure Jeff will agree. We were lucky enough to have that with Alen for many

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years and I'm confident we'll have that going forward with Kayla. We really are. But for me as chair, the period's been like working in dog years. I think the last few are worth at least five or six, even if it's not full seven dog years. And as many of you know, I have a

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full-time job away from Flemington, which has meant that those two workloads have become incompatible. I raise these issues only to serve to explain to you why this will be my last meeting as your chair. I wish to submit my resignation to you with immediate fit.

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Um Jeff will perform the duties of chair in his position as vice chair and will conduct an election at the next meeting for the installation of new officers. Um sorry I am I didn't think I was going to get so emotional but I thank you all for

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your faith in me and support over the my time as chair and I look forward to still serving with you as a regular board member. >> That's all I want to say on that. >> What do you want to do? You don't seem to want >> No, I do. And it's not something I came

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to very lightly. I want you all to know that. It took quite a lot of soulsearching. Um, but it's necessary and I apologize for dropping you in the middle of the year, but that's the way it just has to be. Sorry.

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Um, having said that, turn these up here and, um, we do have some bills. We can move on to item 12 of the bills. >> We have a few that were issued items one. >> I have a issue. >> Oh, thank you. Did you catch

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>> Yeah. All the Dworth packs and uh bills that are listed in that in that list are not >> related to any board at all. Those are council development committees. >> They were actually the bills that I was asking about yesterday. So when I

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finally got to open them today, I was like, "This is what I asked for yesterday." So, um, yeah, that's probably why they never got to me, >> right? >> Prior because they were listed in the wrong, uh, >> so so there were there was I think it was

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the first few pages anything related to Dworth Paxton in those bills were all um, are all so >> if if we are to vote, we would want to take those out and as a as a personal family first, that's mostly right. So, I

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really respect that. Okay. >> Um, >> then I move that we we audit. >> Yeah. Motion to audit with >> motion to audit the bills. >> Can we say with the exception of the Pax and bills as >> with the exception of the Paxton bill

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>> and there's also in the note we got from Caitlyn that there's a revised PO from Dan Cle. >> From Dan Cle. >> So we can include that. Yeah. >> Yeah, sounds great. I'll second. Mayor Carol

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>> Mr. Campion. >> Yes. >> Gib. >> Yes. M. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Slinger. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dasha. >> Yes. Mr. >> Huh. >> U. Yes.

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>> All right. Um, let's move on. Item 13, though. You've got a need to go into executive session tonight. Oh my gosh, it's going to be nice. Sounds awesome. >> All right, >> let let the records go. >> Do have one question. >> Oh,

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>> from last last meeting we mentioned that sign that mysteriously showed up next to the car wash. Yeah. Is >> around 12 shed. >> It changed it switched ownership sense

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or not even ownership. >> It's god awful blue and like you're driving on there. >> Well, it's black with blue letter in it. It's just a whole letter. >> Okay. So I think I don't know because do they I didn't see that come

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through signage didn't come through signage then that's that's construction. >> Yeah. Yeah. This would I don't think there would be a planning board is Jeff actually asked me to follow up on it and I had brought it up to our our code

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enforcement officer. We've had a a bit of a challenge the last few months with the code enforcement officer breaking his leg, but you know, but and and Chris has been doing his best to keep up. It was brought to his attention, but I will call back and remind >> but like if you go out there at night

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when that's if it's not true. Yeah, except I drove by the land to Peter can see this thing. It's not >> it was it was a wooden sign with

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external link >> was a wooden sign with lights on the ground. >> I can't even remember that now because of this thing. >> So that was a copper sign. >> It was >> or was that something else? to us. It was a wood sign with with raisin lettering again. It was

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>> sign was last right now. I hope >> Yeah. No, it's just when I the car wash. It was >> I was like how did this put it back? >> It didn't clearly nothing came through sign. I know. I didn't

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>> That's why I asked last if I have made it just >> just to see if I missed something or >> somebody else said yes to that. Let's leave that with Susan then to follow up. >> Oh, hello.

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>> Oh, you still don't have I don't know any answers. >> He sent us an email like something happening in June July. >> He just said they were formulating our response, but that's as much as you said. He didn't need to say he needed anybody. >> Yeah, I I'm not involved at all in the

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lawsuit. All I All I was trying to do was get you guys a copy of it. >> Yeah. And and >> Oh, I thought it was public. Um No, >> we could go and get it. He told us he was

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just the council. >> Over counsel. >> Oh, >> okay. He's over council executive session. municipal attorney in correspondence with your guy, >> whoever he is, regarding where it's at.

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So, it's proceed. >> So, so here's So, then what I would say to the mayor and our council rep, when you are next in executive session, can you make sure that the bureau's attorney reminds the planning board's attorney to listen to the planning board members and give us an update? If I could ask that I

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can >> I don't want you to I just want to requested for Chris to Chris to give us an update. Um, two executive committee meetings ago, but that but he you you um you

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closed the meeting before he was able to go wait and it was no big deal. But >> I think copies of documents. >> He said he was >> I bet you I can send you what he

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>> wrote to us. Yeah, he sent an email and then you can distribute it. >> But I think Kaitlyn >> out hypothetically he in an executive session he told us that we could we

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could all see it. I was sent it by him. Am I allowed to then it to everybody? >> Absolutely. >> Okay, then I'll do that. >> Sure. Yeah, you have >> hypothetically >> I was sent at some point a long time ago. Yeah. >> About the procedure and the processing. >> No, just the actual the actual

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documents. >> The complaint that's what I was going to say. I could go get you comments, but I don't want to. >> But Chris sent us an update in writing. Can we distribute that directly? We meaning the mayor and I distribute that

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directly to the planning board. I would assume as in normal prerogative that matters, it's both the bureau and the planning board that are listed as defendants. They are they deserve to see >> discussing. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Because Chris frogs in and asked for an update and he wrote to Chris and

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gave him an update as to when the something or other was due. I mean I will leave this to both the council to decide but I don't think in this particular situation there would be a circumstance where the burrow's interest the planning board's interest

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would not be aligned agree so you know absolutely fine >> because I had asked for Chris to get that update to the council a few weeks ago and he did so yeah I didn't realize that you guys weren't up >> yeah it was two two meetings ago so it

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was a long so I can send it to Caitlyn and then Caitlyn can send it to all of you. That way there's no >> Yeah, she is checking something. >> All right. Um item 14 a motion to a second. All in favor.

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>> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. Put it up with me. >> Yes. Well, some of the I think they're going to leaf out again. So, >> wouldn't mind waiting another couple

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weeks on there. >> There's definitely some things they're going to have to replace. There's