Oh, it started. >> Okay, that is good. >> Okay, >> we Well, it's a different question, but yes, we are recording and um doing what we need to do. Okay. So, we're going to call the meeting of the planning board of the Burrow of Flemington to order.
Uh, this in-person and virtual meeting is called pursuant to the provisions of the Open Public Meetings Act. Both adequate and electronic notice of this in-person and virtual meeting has been provided by way of publication in the 100 county Democrat and Courier News newspapers on or about January 23rd,
2025 and January 19, 2025. In addition, notice of the meeting was posted on the door of the Burough of Flemington Municipal Building located at 38 Park Avenue and any handicapped accessible entrances there too, posted on the municipal website, provided to the municipal clerk, and distributed to all
persons if any requested copies of same. This meeting is being recorded with both audio and video and may be rebroadcast. This meeting is a judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments must be limited to the issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision and form
appropriate to a judicial hearing must be maintained at all times. Um, okay. Okay. So, we're going to do flag salute. Then we're going to do oats of office. Then we're going to do the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One
nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. >> Okay. So, before we get started, we have a number of individuals that need to be sworn in again tonight. Uh, Mayor Carol, uh, Mr. Campion, uh, Councilwoman
Anglehart, Miss Whitesman, Mr. Hayne, and Mr. Pers. So, if you could all raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. >> I, Hannah Whitesman. >> Do you solemnly swear or affirm
>> do solemnly swear and affirm >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. Constitution of the State of New Jersey. >> That I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same. >> I will >> That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same >> and to the governments established in the United States >> and to the governments established in the United States >> and in this state, county, and burrow.
>> And in this state, county, and burrow >> under the authority of the people >> under the >> under the authority of the people. And that I will faithfully, impartially, and justly >> And I will faithfully, impartially, and justly >> perform all the duties of a planning
board member >> perform all the duties of a planning board member >> for the Burough of Flemington according to the best of my ability. So help me God. >> To the Bur of Flemington to the best of my abilities. So help me God. >> God. >> Congratulations.
>> Congratulations. >> All right. So again, I have yours. You'll stop in tomorrow and then >> Mike, I have yours here, too. >> Got yours. >> Who put these out? Do you know >> here when we got here? So,
>> Counciloman did not have one. >> Do you have an extra? >> I have Marks and Hannah. Oh, >> Mars. >> Well, look at the list. >> She's on the list. >> All right. Yeah, I have my
back. Okay. So, now roll call. Mayor Carol here. Councilwoman Englehart here. Mr. Champion >> here. >> Miss Gif >> here. >> Miss >> here. >> Miss Engle >> here.
>> Mr. Sh >> here. >> Mr. Schwanganger >> here. >> Mr. Dasha >> here. >> Mr. Angle Eckle >> here. >> Mr. Hayne >> here. >> Mr. Pers >> here. >> Here. and engineer clerico planner Kyle
and engineer trapman are excused. >> Okay, first order of business so I can stop having to do this is we need nomination for chair. >> I nominate Cara Gifin. >> I second. >> Do you accept nomination? >> Yes.
>> Any other nominations? >> Okay. Roll call for Miss Gifin as chair. Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Councilman Angelart. >> Yes. Mr. Champion, >> yes. >> Miss Gen, >> yes. >> Miss Whitman,
>> yes. >> Miss Wingle, >> yes. >> Mr. Show, >> yes. >> Mr. Swinger, >> yes. >> And Mr. Der, >> yes. >> Congratulations. >> Three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
>> You done that? >> I'm done. >> Well, I call for a nomination for vice versa. Jeff Dash >> second. >> Um, do you do I can do the roll call for that now. Right. Okay. >> Yeah. Or I can whatever you want.
>> You do it. >> Jeff accept. >> Oh, did you accept? >> Yes. >> Sorry. >> Any other any other nominations? >> Hearing none. Uh, Mayor Carob. >> Yes. >> Councilman Englehart. >> Yes. >> Mr. Campion. >> Yes.
>> Gen. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mangle. Yes, >> Mr. SH. >> Yes, >> Mr. Schlanger. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Dasha? >> Yes. >> Okay, >> perfect. Thank you.
>> All right, let's move on to item three. Then it's a time for public comments for items not currently on the agenda. If anybody in the room um has any public comments, take a quick look online. Hold on. See if there's anybody online
would like to make a comment. Please raise uh use the raise hand feature on Zoom. Somebody called Miss Oakley if you wish to make a comment. Okay, assuming that at this point, we'll
move on. Um item four, um chair remarks. Um I don't want to say too much other than thank you once again for placing your trust in me to um guide us all through this craziness that is playing. Um hopefully um this nomination is a
indication of the reasonably okay job that you feel I've done and I promise to try and do at least that if not more for the next year moving forward and we will ask just keep it short sweet. I think um move on to item five mayor's remarks.
>> Thank you. Happy new year to everybody. I want to congratulate you and Mr. Dashna for leaving us again. I want to welcome Mr. favors to the planning board and welcome back Councilwoman Anglehart back to the planning board. >> Thank you. >> Um I do want to let you know that the
parking committee started working last year um when Councilwoman Bisaro and Councilwoman Anklehart were members on a couple of uh parking ordinances. one of which will definitely uh I'm hoping both will be introduced um
at the end of this month with the new members of the parking committee, Councilwoman Herbert and Councilman um Levit and um one of which will should end up definitely coming back here regards parking lots and allowing owners
of property have off-site parking in their parking lots that they can right now to any business and any person. has been reviewed by Councilwoman Angelhart, council and uh vice chair Dashna um from
the planning board and um it would be a really good thing to do. Um also, um I'm hoping to have finished by the end of the month introduced as well an ordinance that will give um financial
teeth to zoning violations because right now um we have uh the courts turning down um putting in serious violation um financial pain to violators of our
zoning ordinances. Um because I guess our zoning orders doesn't have the language it's supposed to have that that specifically gives an amount. Uh it's kind of generic and vague. So, uh, municipal attorneys, um, firm, our
municipal attorneys firm Chris Gini, his, um, one of his partners, uh, Matt, uh, Matt Flynn is going to be providing, um, an ordinance from another municipality that he considers to be very, very good. Um, this week coming
and, um, you know, when I get it, I will definitely be circulating it to uh, the council woman and the chair. And uh probably to you as well, Cara, just to take a look and Easter dasha. Um I don't know. I don't think that kind of thing would end up at the planning board for
approval, but I think it's good to have some eyes on it. Um, but it's it's definitely lethal and you know, we have these constant violators of our zoning ordinances and um it's it's been a challenge for our
property maintenance official to find other ordinances in our code to be able to put on a financial fine. So, this will make it a lot easier for him. Um,
and uh, uh, I'm just I'm just going to say this is a large part of this is coming out of a vast amount of complaints that I and I'm sure other members of council have had about the road not being completed at Sangle. Um, you know, the resolution
gave him, I believe, eight weeks or six weeks to do that road. He hasn't even started it. It's been months and months and months and uh he has a pre-construction meeting tomorrow and um so you know it's it we need something
with teeth because he's done a lot of other work at the site but not the road that he promised us and it was closed off for Christmas and by phone was right off the hook from angry business owners and rightfully so. One of the things I would suggest that will certainly help
from a zoning uh violation perspective in municipal court. Um if we want to put more teeth in the planning board's jurisdiction, um we can certainly look at condition language through circumstances where we have those kind
of periods and uh you know make sure that that language is in there too to give you a little more teeth here as well. Well, my understanding from our municipal attorney is that all of this rests with the claim. It's resolution compliance. It's not the council. >> It's resolution compliance. Yes. Um in
that particular instance, you were talking about zoning ordinance violation provisions of the code which is which is separate. But this >> it impedes the issuance of building permits because resolution compliance isn't satisfied or cos because
resolution compliance isn't satisfied. But as far as um other penalties or other issues they would have to address, that would have to be separate. So just something to think about. >> Would this be part of the same ordinance? >> No, >> this would be something resolution.
Correct. >> I'm all in favor of you looking at this and Cara and Sure. >> It has to be passed by the governing body come up recommended from the planning board. >> Well, we were just talking about that. It depends on what section of the code it's codified in. If it's going to be
codified in a zoning ordinance or land development section, then yes, it has to come here. Um, if it's in another section and it doesn't technically affect zoning or land development, then it doesn't have to come here. Doesn't mean it can't. You can always go over and above what the MLU requires. But,
you know, that's >> Well, I I um as the construction code, the construction department is on the last couple years. Obviously, I've familiar with what Dave's been struggling with and your point is
important in that perhaps you got inspired by the Stangle, but Dave's been struggling with this for other issues above and beyond donating for the last year. In fact, I'd say the last year and a half, we've kind of done
some almost almost >> kind of pulling the flag up the pole test run saying, "Okay, we've got this violation, nothing to do with planning board, you know, but this violation and it gets, you know, goes to the court system. So, this takes a long time, you know, months and months, it gets kicked
back. So, then Dave does a different one, again, not related at all to anything related to planning board, and it gets kicked back from." So I guess my concern is not all of this, you know, it your inspiration to get this done quickly. Yeah, obviously we've all been
getting the complaints about Stangle Road, but so in that regard, uh, violations like that are certainly related to resolution compliance, but and we had talked about this the last line that you just said with where it
lives in the plane in the in the ordinance that I had spoken to Chris about, oh gosh, maybe nine months ago, again, before the whole Stangle Road thing, and that was definitely a concern because not all of this stuff in fact in
my two years or year that I've been dealing sorry my year that I've been dealing with the construction department the majority of the stuff was not resulting from zoning and planning so I'd be hesitant to I think it needs to be too
>> it might need well that's the thing that's that's exactly where I'm >> now Chris's partner is doing the one that will handle >> the stuff I'm talking Yes. >> Yes. Exactly. >> But he knows I called I called him about this
>> and after I talked to Dave Giuliani. So because I said to Dave >> Yeah. I said to Dave, >> "What can you do about this resolution compliance?" And he said, "Oh, I can definitely issue him a fine. I can tell him I'm going to go after him. I can do a summon. I can do all of that." >> He said, "But you know, when it comes
down to the court, you have to get really creative." My word, not his. And that's my and that's my my concern is >> two ordinances. >> Well, at least yeah, and I'm not necessarily sure >> I'm not sure. I mean, I think this is something we need to talk to Chris in
detail about in Mark and and I'm not necessarily sure if they're really it's really one ordinance or if it's two living in two different places, >> which it sounds like to me, which is what I was going to say, >> and conditions imposed on resolution. >> That was my question.
Let me let me ask are we allowed to impose penalties and fines as conditions of approvals? I know we can withhold TCOs and COS. I know we can hold, you know, you can't pull this permit until X Y and Z like that we regularly do.
>> We cannot impose fines, but what we can do is impose time periods and require them to come back for extensions and require certain conditions as a result of those extensions. That's where my >> basically fine because they have to pay professionals to show up. >> So, you know, but it's related to the
approvals or not. And again, that's a definite case by case basis like all conditions are. But separate and apart from giving the zoning officer the teeth that he needs to be successful before the court in imposing fines in having enforcement with your zoning ordinances,
which he doesn't really have the jurisdiction to impose fines on our condition. That's on us. Well, goes that goes addition to resolution compliance. Who's really responsible for that? Because in the end, >> he's got the only teeth and that is
holding TCOs and and COS, right? >> Yeah. But but but if we if there's a resolution with that >> if there's a resolution condition saying with a time period >> and then he can issue a stop work order. >> Yes. Our construction office can not issue a
stop work order if they're out of out of the timeline. He's got that power, too. But that's not our power, again, that's his power. We're writing our >> But well, that's what I'm saying. But he's administering the resolution. We're not. >> So, I guess that's where >> this in conjunction with both the
departments work out how best to help them and us. >> Hopefully, by the end of this month, there'll be one ordinance that introduced that's going to take care of the older problems and the issues of zoning around the town. It's not just
zoning. It's it's also also construct. >> Yeah. It's all kinds of violations. >> Yes. >> Um so so that would be step one >> and then you Carara are going to work on step two. >> We Exactly. And then we may want to
discuss when Jay and Beth and Bob are here too because resolution compliance and that's very important before any cos etc are issued and in a lot of towns and I think we had said this a while back
issues a report that says every item of the resolution in his letter and his he everything's been done everything's been paid everything's been satisfied his sign off that's sign off. I don't usually have one unless there's a deed restriction or you know some subdivision
>> that way this is the bad guy and he's saying you didn't get your sign off >> correct the board >> if he has something in hand then also to be able to refer back to. So I I think the end result is exactly what you're looking for but there may be a lot of different pieces to that. I just want to make sure that we're we're
distinguishing the different the two different things, the zoning and planning y >> portion of it and the construction code enforcement because they really are they're really two separate things the last year. >> Right. Now to add another fuel of fire, but um something I think could tie in is
related something that was going to mention I wanted to work on is escros. >> Okay. that our escrow amounts and compliance on that needs to we needed to be updated even um >> I think we mentioned it previously >> that we needed to look at it and we
didn't get round to it last year because of all the kufflele. So, I'm thinking that could tie in in some way because we need to make sure one problem we've been having is that um getting the correct amount of escrow to allow our professionals to do their jobs in terms
of even including resolution compliance to make sure we have enough covered can be one of the parts of the teeth. So maybe we can tie that in with looking at both things. >> Yep. I think we look at the amounts of the applications and escros that we've done. I think if I recall correctly, we did this a while back. We looked at the
announcement. >> We started to do it. Never upgrade. >> She was looking at saying like we need to upgrade our our ordinance or wherever it's any >> it would be an ordinance in application. Yeah. >> That we need to increase those amounts
so that we have enough to cover those before people come in and it's constant the pots are constantly getting to fumes >> before a public hearing >> which I think is two parts. So I think one of it is are we collecting enough upfront to cover the costs of the board
and its professionals that you feel comfortable with and then number two establish a procedure that basically says when it gets below x amount there automatically needs to be a replenishment otherwise there'll be no further review by the professionals or no here. I mean again other towns are
very strict with stuff like this and so very easy to be done. Let's pull from what other times are doing it and make sure because it might sound like we're trying to be punitive to people. It's not. It's actually trying to save the taxpayers money because when there's not enough escrow in the accounts, we end up
having to cover. We can't not pay our bills, but it's not. It's supposed to be covered by an applicant and it's we get to situations, but that's my focus on that is to save money for the taxpayers, right? Make sure it's covered the way it's supposed to. >> Fair enough. jump in on that point.
>> I think all these things are very interrelated. If we can resolve all of them and look at them together, I think will be a big help. >> Yeah, two things can work together. >> Okay. >> All right. Is that enough? >> Okay. Um, thank you. Um, item six, council remarks, please.
>> Well, just thank you very much. I'm missed you all and I'm excited to be back. >> Okay, good. Good to hear. All right. Item seven, HPC remarks. Senance, do you have anything for us today? >> Yes, I do. Uh, we had our meeting on
December 17th and the HPC approved 18 Maple Avenue application for roofing and siding changes regarding the CLG historic designation. Uh once the burough council adopts and publishes the changed historic
preservation ordinance language, the HPC will submit the application to the state historic preservation commission for Flemington to be designated a certified historic local government. The HPC is planning to sponsor a house
and garden tour on Saturday, June 6 from 11:00 to 5:00 and potentially a holiday house tour on Sunday, December 6th. If anyone's interested in participating in any way, uh, please let me know. And
then last, I just want to remind we do have um the HBC has the revised list of um historic properties that the planning board just needs to review. Remember, it's around Courthouse Square. It's
mainly removing buildings that are no longer there like Flemington Fur building. And uh it's not changing boundaries. It's just updating the list so that we can publish it on the website. And I think we were going to add that to an agenda item uh in the
future. So just let us know and we can close that out. And that's it for me. >> Okay. Perfect. So you want to get on the agenda for the change list. Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. Item eight, um resolution PB 202601, the open public meetings notice. Um, anybody have any queries or comments on that resolution that we're putting forward? It's the standard boiler plate
thing that we do all the time. >> Second >> and just just making sure that because the law updated about notice and all that, it's this complies with the new rules. >> This complies. We may need to make an amendment once we get closer to that March date. Um, but this complies with
what we're required to do right now. >> Can you just clarify for me? The March date is when we don't have to have newspaper notices. Is that correct? >> We have to put on the website, >> right? Okay. >> Yeah. It's not required to be in paper. You certainly still continue to do it,
but that's the website. >> Okay. >> Uh, Mayor Carol, >> yes. >> Um, Miss Gib, >> yes. >> Sashna, >> yes. >> Miss Angel, >> yes. Mr. >> Campion. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sh.
>> Yes. >> Miss. >> Yes. >> Mr. Swiner. >> Yes. >> I'll update that and then send that over for signature. >> Actually, Mark, if you I just I suddenly thought you're sitting right there. Do
you want to come up? We have a chat. >> Okay. I just I just wanted you there and we got September. >> All right. >> I just ask one question and I had forgot to bring this up until this point. >> Mark is alternate four, >> correct? >> Okay. So, we'll keep three is open.
>> Yeah, three is three is out. >> Okay. Just want to make sure. >> All right. Item nine, resolution PB 20260, appointments for professional services that was previously circulated. Any
movies or comments on that call? Any questions? >> My movement. >> Second. >> Second was Mr. Slinger. >> Uh, Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Chair Gin. >> Yes. >> Dash. >> Yes. >> Counciloman.
>> Yes. >> Swingle. >> Yes. >> Champion. Abstain. >> Mr. Joe. >> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Schlinger.
>> Yes. >> Same on that one. Thank you. >> All right. Um, resolution PB item 10, resolution PB 20263 is um the board secretary position. Um,
it's with great sadness. here before >> having been in sadness >> last year and thinking that Carla was going to continue that I have to report as you can guess from this resolution
that she has said that she actually does not want to continue. We did ask her to um stay on through the end of February um during paperwork at least for us um and she sent the packet back and everything um until such time as we can
find a replacement. Can I I can I talk about that right now before we do the resolution? >> You can. I just want to check. It says the beginning of February. So that's the end. Uh she I mean she's she's she has said to me both verbally and in writing that she will not leave the planning
board hanging as far as doing the notices and the and the whatever paperwork. She doesn't doesn't want to attend another night. That's really what it comes down to. She was way up at the top of the county. It's a long ride for her. >> Sometimes these have been very late meetings. So she just she doesn't want
to deny. >> I I think if we're >> Yeah, >> it says beginning of February should >> I mean I would feel more comfortable getting age certain on that in terms of the resolution itself. >> Yeah. >> But through >> I mean I yeah through the end or through
February 28th or >> I thought the end of February I thought she'd agreed to do two months. I thought if we don't find somebody if we don't find somebody correct because I know that you would like to feel more comfortable that we have somebody officially in that position. So I asked if she would do this.
>> Yes. >> Um I did miss that. That's on me that I missed the beginning, not the end. >> Um can we change that? Maybe I can speak to her and we can so we can change that resolution to say the end. Oh, I want to define the number. I I would my preference is if we're saying January
13th, we should then also have a date for the February ending >> until February 28th is just >> saying not later than because if you hire somebody >> prior to I'm not going to this will this will
have her be on temporary because you know listen as much as I don't understand why anyone wouldn't jump a chance to be here. It may take a little while. We may have >> that now in the universe. >> I will I just did I thought >> um >> um yeah. So I would do that. So the
motion unless there's any other discussion would be with that one change that she's appointed uh temporarily until uh February 28, 2026 and then once we do the new contract then we'll take her office appoint as temporary. And the
only bit of discussion I will pass on to everybody is that we do have somebody that is interested in doing the position that uh Jeff and I are going to interview on Friday morning at 8:00 a.m. She's coming in nice and early so I can get back to work. And um so we're we
have that set up. So I'm hopeful and positive that this won't be a yes. Please everybody touch everything across every player. Um she came recommended and she by phone she's open to it. So um I'm excited to that if any of the board members
>> experience >> want to Yeah, she's currently the >> somewhere else. The answer is yes. >> Yeah, she has a lot. >> Yeah, she's >> no and she's caught somewhere. Um, but if any of the other board members want
to be involved in that discussion or have things they want me us to ask, if you're not able to come, it's set up 8 o'clock Friday. I'm not changing it. Sorry. Stay on. That's the only thing I can do. And um, but if anybody wants to either send questions or queries or come along, you're more than welcome. Not
excluding anybody. >> No, but we want to make sure we don't have a quorum. So, take one or two. >> We can take one or two. That's good point. Thank you. >> Um, your point if anyone has questions. I mean, that's We should ask >> send emails >> if there's things you want the secretary
to know that we want from them. Let us know. >> Okay. >> Absolutely. No problem. >> And I will update we will update people if that is successful. >> Has this been moved or not? >> Not yet. No. >> So I will move as a little bit.
>> Thank you. >> Second Carol. You guys always like to do it that way. Would you like to just the institutional? >> We could do it that way. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Carol.
>> Yes. >> Yes. Councilman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Engle. >> Yes. >> Mr. Campion. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schae. >> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Schlink.
>> Yes. Um okay thank you. All right so item 11 is resolution 202604 adopting plan and board meeting dates for 2026. The astute amongst you may have noticed that some of the dates have changed from what we came forward for.
>> I will tell you that some of the dates changed to suit the previous resolution and the previous discussion we had that the person we are interviewing on Friday suggested some dates that they couldn't do. So, I changed some of them to match
that to maximize the meetings that that person if they were taken on could be at with the other dates in mind. >> And that way she turns you down. You can say we've changed our whole calendar for you. >> Well, I was just thinking while we've got this chance to do it, if she truly has told me already she cannot do those,
why even schedule a meeting that date? >> What? So, that's why some of them might have moved, which is why the n the May one is like No, that third. That's right. There was one that was a >> December 22nd was one we kept talking about but >> those changed and November one changed
>> the November one changed for this reason and also some of them that end up being then close up to other ones or something. I did make a note to my own self that those are ones that I will be the first to like if we don't have agenda items we'll cancel those odd strange ones that in mind as we go
forward. We we definitely had discussion around December 22nd and considering doing it on the 15th, >> but if you're saying that that needs to be um that way. >> Wait, no, you're absolutely right. No, that's the catch. I did ask you to
change that. >> So, December 15th 15th. >> Yeah. So, yeah, because no one wants to do a Christmas. >> So, the 15th is on the 20 seconds off. >> Yes. >> I'm sorry. >> I know. She's put it in a I remember I asked and I missed that catch. I asked
Ka to change the dates and not what and >> two discussions about it. So >> we need to amend the resolution >> and the 15th of December. >> December. >> Okay. >> Everything else is is the same as
amended from the last list. >> Yes. Just change the 22nd to the 15th. And we >> So new list there are now there are now two conflicts with the environmental commission. So I will bump I will bump our meetings
so this will have to change. >> Melissa, that's very kind of you. Oh, we can talk about those um later as well and we can work something out to help you out. I'm sorry. >> But we can go ahead with these dates. Is that what you're saying?
>> Y >> do the best. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Okay. Motion in a second. >> Move. >> Second. >> Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Dash. >> Yes. >> Chair Gib. >> Yes.
>> Councilman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Shingle. >> Yes. >> Mr. Campion. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sh. >> Yes. >> Whitesman. >> Yes. >> And Mr. >> Yes. >> Thank you. All right. So, put the dates
in your diaries. Let me know if you're not going to be around. But we're doing pretty well now with our with with our four of us landing having enough. So that's good. But if there's any major bits and can be changed. >> Oh, all right. So now we know what is.
>> All right. >> Item 12, professionals reports. Um, how are you the only one here to give anything? >> I don't have that. >> Okay, great. That's a wonderful success. Love it. All right, we do have some minutes that Carla did for us that were
distributed. Um so we have I need a motion for um approval of minutes for October 28, 2025. There's no question or comments on that at all. >> All right. I'm sorry. Who was
>> second was Josh? >> Okay. So Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Mr. Campion. >> Yes. >> Gen. >> Yes. >> Miss Whitman. Yes, >> Mr. Wingle. >> Yes,
>> Mr. SH. >> Yes, >> Mr. Slinger. >> Yes, >> Mr. Dashner. >> Yes. >> One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Mr. Eel. >> Uh, yes. >> All right. Um, similarly, I need a
motion for the October 28, 2025 executive minutes distributed. That was Mr. Slinger. Second. Second. Uh, Mr. Scher, >> yes. >> Mayor Carol, >> yes.
>> Mr. Campion, >> yes. >> Miss Gib, >> yes. >> Mr. Wson, >> yes. >> Show. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Eckle. >> Uh, yes. >> And exact.
>> This is why I was looking at the minutes there that I I was at the meeting, but not the exact. >> He's not yet. Did you have to recuse yourself? >> No. The Flemington Circle I would was was talked about. So I I there's >> And Mr.
>> Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna abstain, but but just in case, but I just record that as the vote, but >> I thought I was there, but I will. There might be an error in the in the minutes, but I will. >> Right. I mean, we have plenty to include you anyway, so we're okay. But I'll put
you as an abstension. Yeah, just just to go. >> I thought it was I I missed one of the other exact sessions, but I don't think I missed that. >> Right. >> Okay. So then let's move on to November 2525 regular minutes. Can I have a
motion to approve those, please? >> So moves. >> Second. >> Second. Carol. Uh Mr. Schlanger. >> Yes. >> May Carol, >> yes. Miss Gibbon, yes. Mrs.
Yes. >> Mingle. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sh. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. >> Yes. >> All right. Um, item 14. Um, is this
public hearing for Spark Car Wash, which is continued? >> Sorry. >> Wasn't that session? Yeah, >> there I bet you wanted I don't know why. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. Sorry.
>> Sorry. Go right ahead. >> Sorry. Item 14, public hearing, start car wash um application 252. This is continued from 121625. I wrote near agenda to a date to be determined after meeting dates approved. So therefore, we they would be on the
agenda for January 27th. Um I don't how far through did we get? >> Well, here's we we I don't know how far through we got uh of their presentation, but my one concern is that they do have to resubmit revised plans.
>> That was one of the things we had them go back because we wanted to see and take a look at what it is that they were doing. So, >> right. >> Um I haven't seen anything yet and I don't know if we're going to get it. So, I mean it's it's up to you guys if
we want to put them on for the February date. >> Would you reach out to them, Cara, and ask? >> Oh, I'll let both know. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, we have to pick something. >> We have to pick a date. But >> yeah. So, they don't know. >> I mean, you would let them know and ask
them if they ready. And if they say no, then >> I mean, listen, I would say just to be safe so we're not going back and forth, we could put them on the February meeting which should be February 10th and then if they need more time after that then they go to the next February meeting.
>> We're more staff time. We're not delaying. >> Absolutely. I like that idea a lot if people >> and it also gives um some of the members who were not at that hearing a chance to listen to the YouTube which included I
think Mr. Campion, >> Councilwoman Anglehart, Mr. >> which I think they would want. >> I mean >> yeah I can't remember who else missed it. >> I was weren't there. repeat the dates that the I mean I could I could make her look it up but you just said what date was open from last year do I need to
listen to >> so you need to >> yeah tell me it's only one it was only one meeting because we had that's the only meeting >> yeah we were dealing with them for a while >> December 16 being bounced through down
the line a lot while I just didn't want to listen to all of them >> just that one >> and that's was on it. So it should in charge. So it's it was you weren't here either. >> No, we all listened to that one. We'll be
>> I had a heating disaster at work. >> Oh, that's right. I remember that. >> All right. So just for purposes of any public that are listening, we are going to adjourn the public hearing on smart car wash application 2025-02
to the board's meeting of February 10, 2026. I will advise council. I will also advise council that they need to have their revised plans in at least 10 days before. That's our requirement, but I would think they probably wanted a
little bit more than that. the box. >> And it was more than just to say it was more than just the revised plans. There was all sorts of data that they were alluding to that they had to give to us to look at about water. >> Correct. A lot a lot of data. >> The only reason I say that is our plans
are, you know, that's where that 10day requirement really comes in. They technically bring everything else in as exhibits, but I don't necessarily think that's I think that if you're going to talk to them, make sure that they understand that >> Clerico is going to need to review all of it, including the water stuff.
>> So, let's just bring this >> right because they need conflicting testimony on their own data. >> That's not a good start. >> Now, let's not talk about >> I'm just reminded correct. >> Um, all right. So that's that
adjournment. The next one we have is St. Magdalan. >> Yeah. >> Um application 2125-06. >> No. So I'm I'm glad I'm not I'm happy that they can come. We can put them on January 27th. >> I don't that's not too complicated.
>> Got a hand up. >> Annie, you have a hand up. Sorry. Guan. >> Yeah. So that's I'm just going to have to recuse myself from that one. So I just want to make sure everyone's going to be around. >> 200 ft there. That's right. guy that >> or at least we assume because they never really I still haven't gotten anything
from them about it. Um >> confusion about that about where the 200 foot >> start was positive so yeah >> I mean I'm literally across the street from them. >> Yeah. So, I will let council know, but I
know when we did completeness back on the November 25th meeting, we told them that they should go back and get an updated 200 foot list for that, assuming that they have and assuming that they can do notice in time, >> right? >> Um,
>> this is a minor site plan, right? Or was it a major? No. reminds us. >> I don't have the file with me, so I don't know if it's on. >> Well, either way, I will check with council. Um, we'll schedule it for
purposes of the board for the January 27th meeting, assuming they can get everything squared away. If not, >> you decide what you want to do with that meeting >> and we'll push. >> Well, you can get in touch with them ASAP. They've got 10 days to do it tonight.
>> Perfect. I mean, and obviously if they are on not ready for the 27th, they could always carry them. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Correct. >> It would just be good to >> I just want to make sure that 200 foot list is correct because we don't want them to go through all of that. Schedule it for a hearing and then we don't have
jurisdiction. >> That's we said to them completely. >> If we're a member of the I'm a member of St. Max. >> Correct. >> Should I be accusing myself? I mean technically there's a lot of things. >> Yeah. Law basically says that if that
was the case then most residents of you know synagogues churches would have to recuse themselves. Um if you're a board member or some sort of voting member it's a little bit different or you feel and we'll go through as you know we've tried to continue to do whether you have
any reason why you feel you can't be unbiased other than ask that you're not required. I don't >> if there's any if there's any like nervous I think it's best to we have enough me we have enough alternate >> yeah it sounds like anyway I don't want it >> best >> I don't want to make any impression but
I did want to expose that >> because of course you can listen and yeah exactly all right that >> so I'll reach out to Steve on that one you have a question on this yeah >> yeah just what was the feeding date was the 25th of November
>> January that the January. >> No, the previous meeting. >> I mean, >> not yet. >> You don't have to watch it. >> Yeah, they they just on the completeness >> and you don't have to listen. That's okay. >> But any if you want to, you can. It familiarizes you with this.
>> It doesn't hurt. I mean, >> I wrote it down, too. >> So, what was that? That was the 25th. November is when >> it was in November for sure. Yeah. >> Uh, I had it here. Hold on. >> Completeness is basically we're saying the application is complete and ready to go full week. November 25th. >> We still Nothing got decided. Nothing
got taught. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah, >> we have enough to go forward and listen. >> That's all it is. We didn't >> We have a We have a checklist. >> Well, you can certainly look everything. We now have everything's online. You can go look at the documents that were submitted.
>> Yeah. >> Everybody should do that to remind someone else. Um, Paul usually sends them out, but you can go online >> and let's to to that point that's that's a good point. Let's make sure that our new members have copies of what it's
distributed, >> right? >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they are online, but I don't know if you like hard copies, if you prefer. >> I know. >> Yeah. Sometimes you might like >> Let me know if you need anything. Then we can get copies if you need any more.
>> Not anymore. Okay. I really have like 20 years. I don't need any more than >> No, I was just in my attic the other day and I'm like, "What's this box of paper?" I'm like, "Oh, it's all >> Yes, it's >> I found the 1997 master plan." >> Wow.
>> Was that like Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Good. >> Anyway, okay. Let's >> That's what I do about instead. >> All right. Item 16 I put on as a discussion that was for the planning board rule but in after then I put this
on the agenda kind of remembered that >> the the the committee cannot the committee doesn't exist until we remake it. So um when we remake it then they can they can finish off the last part of it and um submit it and we can go
through with that and we can move forward with that. laws committee. >> The bylaws committee. Yeah, we're almost there. We just need to officially start the committee again. So, having said that, I'm going to go straight on to item 17 >> and I not make a plea to the bylaws
committee to please get us the draft so we can end these meetings a little earlier. That was that was >> the draft is ready and I was going to say what I need to do is reappoint the committee and add on. So, that's what I want to do now quum 17 so we can do that straight off and then say that. So the
bylaws committee I'm going to propose be fit with the people that have been working on it as it is. So that's Melissa D. >> Oh my gosh. No >> Adrian. It was and you and Adrian. >> Yeah. >> Um so what I'm going to suggest because
I know it's almost at the end and I didn't put myself on that committee. I'll just put myself on that committee to finish it up. >> Well, you're automatically on every >> I know but I wasn't on it. I you Adrian was doing it right. She was like my des right. So I'll just I can manage that. >> Okay,
>> I'll do that. So myself and the rest of the committee we need to get this to the board at the next meeting. I propose we have a quick one meeting just to go over the the line items when you submitted. Y >> then we can submit it to the board for
their perusal before the next meeting. I don't think it's going to need much discussion. Honestly, there's not that many major changes. It's just the things that we've all been talking about for a while. Reorganizing the agenda items and the timing of the meetings to make sure that we can all get home a little
earlier. >> So, you know what? When I follow up on these other issues later, I'll send the email out to everybody. We'll pick some dates. Melissa's been really good at doing it up until this point. >> Yes. Um, >> yeah, Melissa, you're still running it. I'm just going to sit on it just to fill it so we can complete it and get it
done. All right. Thank you. Um, right, that being said, I'm going to move on to a few other committees. Um, the sign review committee, I sent an email round to the sign review committee as we have asking them if they wanted to
serve again in that capacity. They all did. I reached out to Alli Norton um because I completely forgot was that um Robin was on it and we hadn't had any applications which is why it didn't pop up since she resigned. So Alli's confirmed that she will be the um FCP uh
person on that on that committee. So that then now we can all look at that application that Moren sent and responded. Sorry, it's Hannah. Um, oh my gosh, Mark, Wendy or,
um, Alan Autton and myself and Morin had sent round an application. So, I said, "Hold off. We'll do we'll reassign the committee and then they can respond ASAP as soon as we do that and get that through for her." Um, I also
mentioned um to Ally that something that I intended to do 18 months ago and because of all the huh last year and everything with losing secretary and all that sort of stuff, we didn't get round to but I believe that there is a opportunity and a need to review the use
of the SRC, the committee and the signage ordinances such that it assists businesses in town more effectively. the process that happens for them and
this our SRC is part of it is not working effectively to help the businesses and applicants >> to help them get their permit and >> it's confusing the note right so um the backwards and forwards um so I'll
probably uh start a committee to look at that but it will be reaching around lots of departments effectively Do you know what I mean? You're going to have to work with the FCP closely. It's also going to have to work and look at the um with the construction officials because
they're the one, you know, but also um we have to within that make sure that we maintain that the SRC has an important role because as Jeff pointed out to me very kindly, we have to do that the SRC. We can't not have an SRC to make it
simpler for them because the SRC actually means that they don't have to come from my site plan for sites. So, we have to keep that in mind. >> Um, but I'll be looking to me on that on correspondence related to
that as the construction code leazison. Thank you. >> Yeah, I'm just saying I'm just we I haven't finalized who might need to be on it. I just I threw out to Alli that that's something that would >> I need to be on the committee. I'm just as construction code. I'm just >> Okay, no problem.
>> I'm happy to serve if you need me, but that's not my wasn't my inception. >> All right. No problem. Perfect. Um and then moving forward then we've also going to have the um committee that we mentioned the work that was mentioned
earlier. We need a separate committee for that. Mayor, or do we? Um so I was going to set up um a master plan stroke housing like to look at the housing element because there's been quite a few things happen with the housing element
that we need to incorporate and and tidy up not least of which is um ex councilman um gosh why am I blanking on his name >> Jeremy Long um his thing about the housing um aspect for um adults with
disabilities. >> Thank you. That's what I was for adults with disabilities and that and then we got some things to tidy up but I was looking to set up um a committee for that. I have not with all the connection this week with different things. Um we
I'll announce that when at the next meeting I'll work on that um people who might be interested in serving on that kind of committee. Um, I will say on a personal note, I didn't say this in my comments
earlier, one thing that came out of a lot of stuff that happened at the end of last year that really surprised me because I don't know, I take planning board and what we the remit that we are given and what we own and what we look after
seriously. >> Trust me. And in all the stuff that happened last year, I heard multiple times from various different sources, but the master plan doesn't matter at the end of the day. Doesn't you don't really have to take notes of it if you
don't want. So I will say that if anybody wants to serve on that committee, I'd like to know which side of that fair you stand on. I'd like people to be involved in a in a committee to look at on behalf of the residents and taxpayer of the town and
believe in the master plan and our documents that we have to work towards fundamentally. Does that make sense? Well, I understand that >> it not only makes sense, but I think just for purposes of clarity for some of the new members, which I know Susan knows, but
>> I think there's a difference between the the master plan always is important. Every time you grant a variance, you have to evaluate whether or not that variance is consistent with your master plan. every time you look at a zoning ordinance that yes, ultimately the
governing body can adopt a change that it may be inconsistent. But that's completely separate and apart from your obligation and the applicant's planners and your planner's obligation to advise as to whether or not a variance is consistent with your master plan
>> and can can be granted, you know, without any detriment to it. So separate, you know, it's I I think what you may be talking more about are comments that, you know, people say when we review these ordinances for consistency, yes, we could find them to be substantially inconsistent, but still
the governing body by statute has the ability to still adopt it >> once it makes certain findings separating apart for the variances and the the standards that have to be met by an applicant for us to grant variances. Right. >> So >> yeah, >> just correct. It was just it's just me.
Um, all right. So, >> you asked the question early early in your comments. >> Do regarding what I brought up with zoning stuff. We needed I don't think we need a committee for that at all. >> Okay. All right. That's going to be dealt with with >> cars
firm getting circulated wherever it needs to get circulated properly. >> Okay. >> I don't think it needs to committee to review it. >> Okay. because because that is producing a >> a model ordinance. >> Okay. >> And I made a note about escrow, but we already said we're going to wrap that
into that process, too. So, that's been looking at our escros is something that we might have to change. >> Um, our escrow amounts that we ask for to make sure that we're we have enough in the pot when when it's needed. >> Um, the year end report is something we're
going to have to think about. Obviously, with Carla, I'm going to have to see how we can pull that together. We have to do that by a certain day. We have to do it. >> She should No, I'm saying no. >> If she if her objection is is just the meetings >> have her work on this right now. >> Yeah.
>> Because the real I mean this will >> Yeah. Because the only open and really just pl >> it's the meeting edge. >> I would I would encourage you to to to have her work on this. Now there's two the only two only two open applications.
There's actually not much >> there's four >> stuff going on. >> And Eileen had her form that she would always fill out. >> That's what I was going to do. I was going to send her the old one. It's what I did with the all the stuff of the group. I sent it to her so she could just >> It's going to be a lot easier to have her do it than person.
>> So I will absolutely and we'll have that then for the next meeting I'll hope. Um and then >> Oh, sorry Hannah. Yeah. >> No, no worries. I just um I was just I'm I was on the arts committee. I just want
to confirm whether or not that's still >> Yeah, you >> were reappointed at the council reorg. I forgot to mention that to you. Sorry. >> Okay. No, no worries. That's I just wanted to triple check. Thank you. >> Yes, >> you're all good. You're just in all as it was. Thank you.
Um and then the other thing that I'll be doing in the next few months is um looking at setting our budget for the year based on the committee work that we just mentioned. And also um Mr. Schlinger has agreed to help me review
last year's >> bills audits against what what the budget had put forward last year so we can see where we are with that and then has agreed to like move forward in the year as well. will basically keep a running tally for us so we don't have to do a whole at the end of the year keeping on our budget and making sure we
know where we are if anybody asks at any one point. I appreciate that. Thank you for offering to do that. Appreciate that to be our financial guru or something. Is that what you want to be called? >> Master of the spreadsheet. >> Master of the spreadsheet. Ruler of the
ruler of the whatever >> pencil ruler. You have a swingy top. >> Oh, >> we've got to keep it swinging. All right. Item 18 is the bills list, but there's no bills list until the next meeting. So, I'm just going to skip over
that now. 19 executive session. We were going to have that until I realized >> so mayor had a meltdown >> until the mayor mentioned to me >> you cannot have an executive session without an attorney present >> because because the item that we're going to discuss is the item that car's conflicted out of
>> Cara the mayor and the council woman all are accused from it >> it's it's anyway I will be able to let you know more the um council that is responsible for it >> was insurance council >> oh my god >> yes it's insurance council I could give you his name.
>> He did say that he would d o n a t h >> n a t. >> He would be available. >> Jonathan with a j o. >> You're just messing. >> I was Yeah. >> No, I might say this price or skate.
strength. >> Strength strength breast. >> Well, I've been told in Jersey you say skank or something. I don't understand. >> So, >> I was told that the age was it was it is >> okay. She she's she's not from this
country who said Clark. So, no >> definitely nothing. >> Wait, somebody from your name? >> Yeah, main street. Yeah, the skank house. It is true. The skate house. See,
not get in trouble. I'm just trying to be nice. And >> that's my house. >> That's right. >> Telling me Dennis lives in >> during the house tours when when I talk about it's the skank house, everyone's laughing.
>> Oh my god. All right, that's good. So, reach out to him about >> already said yes, he will. >> Okay, good. >> I'll check that he'll come in person because I think that would be helpful. >> I did offer him Zoom, but I'll check if he can come. >> Probably. And he doesn't have to come till later depending on what's going on.
>> Depends which one is on. Absolutely. >> Or or do the beginning, right? >> If it's something that'll be quick, you could do it, get them out, and then keep going. >> That sounds like a plan. >> Yes, absolutely. Okay. So, more more hold that thought. More to come.
Excitement. Um, well, oh, I ran off chair items, but I usually try to say, does anybody else have anything that they want to raise as a chair item that I forgot to talk about that they want to talk about? Um, I did in my original opening completely forgot to wish
everyone a happy new year. I completely forgot to welcome Susie to the back to the board. I completely forgot to welcome Mark to the board. So, thank you for going to join the board. Thank you for coming back and it's been a great year. I hope as you know we've got our
professionals back. The student amongst you will have noticed one change. Um, which we had an executive session about and that was successfully agreed in fact all clear and good. Um, if anybody has any questions that please feel free to
call me and I will talk to you if you wish. The I guess one little point is that um regarding the resolution compliance >> um Beth McManus has a number of plans that she is currently working on.
I think she should finish those off and then Jim Kyle can do whatever he has her resolution compliance uh on the new stuff. So I do think she should finish what she's got. >> I think that makes total sense that she can project that she's still working with.
Yeah. That's what she >> and she and she remains the council's uh plan to serve. >> So her partner will be here and she'll be there. Yeah. >> I just had one quick question actually.
Do we have a good standing on like um we have like backups for people in terms of like our professionals needing to recuse themselves or are we still working on that? I thought we were kind of >> No, >> we did not go out for alternates. >> Okay. Okay.
>> I think it was just an oversight, but um I think we could I mean we don't have to go out. We could ask Mr. Sordilo because I was recused from that hearing, but everybody seemed to really like him because he could become our our alternate attorney. >> He was good. >> And we used I think we used Remy Vernick
as our alternate engineer for the one that Clerico couldn't do. >> Um >> did they also didn't they do backup planner once? One of their >> They did a backup planner one as well. Um, I think >> Did they do a backup plan?
>> I feel like we did have somebody here. >> We had some >> Yeah, we did have We definitely did because Beth was recused on one of the >> Yeah. And Jim Kyle couldn't make it, >> right? But I mean obviously like there's
a if if if Jim Kyle's conflicted obviously and Beth isn't there there is an automatic easier back up theoretically there >> but if the firm is conflicted I think we had I think we >> oh we had the other guy um yeah we had
>> her the young guy who was like that was yeah >> he was with their firm >> not a difference we had somebody else you contact Joe or just Karen you can call him and ask him to give you a >> alternate or backup.
>> I mean we don't have anything at the that's that's on the agenda right >> no but that is good and I can ask who was the planner because I know there was one for sure >> that Beth was conflicted from. >> Yeah. The other thing I thought
thought I'm remembering I could be remembering this wrong. I thought Dan Clee had planners on staff. >> Oh, is that what we did? Maybe that's what we did. >> That's a planner. >> I thought there was I thought that we might have once a few years a
planning >> to remember. >> Yeah. So, we we may not have to go too far out to find backups is is what I'm saying. So next time I speak to Bob, I can ask him that. Ask him if he's if they can do it in a pinch because it is like you say, it's something it's good
to have on hand and in our pocket ready to go. >> It happen more with car than with anybody else. So >> yeah, really causing a big problem. >> Everything every time this thing comes up, I'm like call >> anyway. So
>> I'm here for everything else. >> Thank you very much. We much appreciate it. Um, okay. With that being said, >> move to. >> Yes. Thank you. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you very much everybody. See you on the 27th.
>> Take care. >> All right. Here are the totally signed ones. We need to come visit tomorrow.