I I just clicked it. It came up on the right side. Oh. >> All right. Call to order the uh Tuesday, November 25th, 2025 meeting of the planning board zone board of adjustment of Lamington Burough.
Um, this inperson and virtual meeting is called pursuant to the provisions of the open public meetings act. Both adequate and electronic notice of this inperson and virtual meeting has been provided by way of publication in the Hunan County Democrat and Curry News newspapers on or
about January 23rd, 2025 and January 19th, 2025. In addition, notice of the meeting was posted on the door of the Burough of Flemington Municipal Building located at 38 Park Avenue and any handicapped accessible entrances there too, posted on the municipal website,
provided to the municipal clerk and distributed to all persons of any requesting copies of the same. This meeting is being recorded with both audio and video and may be rebroadcast. This meeting is a judicial procedure. Any questions or comments must be limited to the issues that are relevant
to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision and decorum appropriate to a judicial hearing must be maintained at all times. Please rise as your >> home to the flag of the United States of America
>> and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Can we have the role of >> Mayor Harum here? Councilwoman Sarum
>> here. Mr. Campion is he >> actually is on vacation. >> Miss G. >> Yes. >> Miss Whitesman >> here. >> Miss Wingle >> here. >> Mr. Sh
>> here. >> Mr. Schlanganger >> here. >> Mr. Der >> here. >> Mr. Echo. No, I didn't hear either. >> I thought you said >> no.
>> Okay. Sorry about that. Um, Mr. Hay >> here. >> Mr. Barka, he's not here. Um, Kazinski >> here. >> And do I have to call them? >> They're all excused. We need them. Planning Mcdan has offered to come in if
we needed her, but I didn't word. So, in the spirit of the holidays, >> I'm gonna hit this transcribe button again just for some giggles. >> It is doing it. >> Oh, it is. Okay. I'm the host. That's why it's not showing up. >> That's why I can't see. >> Okay. You got me nervous.
>> I'm sorry. >> No, I got it. And it's going to the cloud. >> Happy. All right. Um, item one is in a period for public comments. This is specifically for things not included on the current agenda. Um, is there anybody
in the room has a public comment? Please raise your hand. If you're online, please raise your hand. We don't actually have anybody that is on the board online. So, let's move on. Um, item two, may comments, please. >> Um, just a couple. Uh, last night a
council meeting. Uh the council finally introduced an ordinance restricting uh parking around the Union Hotel project to residential only, meaning um in not in an apartment complex. Um that
ordinance was introduced with restricted parking for residents and their visitors to Spring Street from Bloomfield to Williams. Uh William Street from Maine to Broad, Maple from Broad to Maine,
and Bloomfield from Spring to Broad. Um and that public hearing will is scheduled for December 8th. Um so at this point, um council president
stated last night that the apartments are going to start leasing in December for occupancy shortly thereafter and that the hotel would be leasing out rooms probably at the end of January or February. Um, so that's still has a ways to go, but the apartments will start
leasing out soon. And um as soon as they're finished um paving Corer Place, the intention is to reopen Spring Street, which has been closed for I want to say almost four years now from
Bloomfield to um from Bloomfield to um part of almost to Corster but not quite. and that whole new park uh driving um plan that JR traffic consultant
designed and is already approved by ordinance will go into effect. So Bloomfield from Spring to Broad will be weight restricted to four tons. Spring Street will be one way only from
Bloomfield all the way to Williams. At Maple, it will be restricted to four tons as well from Maple to Williams. And Maple Avenue will be turning one way uh from broad up to Maine. Currently is one
way at Spring. So, in order to access Spring Street at all or the garages for the Union Hotel project, everybody's going to have to come down Bloomfield Avenue and make a right onto Spring Street. Uh when you leave, you can go up
uh Maple to Maine, but if you down come down Corer, it will be illegal to make a left turn. You'll have to make a right, though. Uh there'll probably be some issues with that. Some people trying to cheat that for a while, uh is my guess. But that plan is has been approved for
over a year now, I think, by the council. just waiting to reopen spring and get that in effect hopefully before people start moving into the complex so that the residents get used to these new patterns. So that's my report.
>> Okay, thank you. Items council comments please. >> I have no comments this evening. >> Okay. Um item four HPC comments please Dennis >> have an HPC meeting this month as there were no applications so I have nothing to report. >> Okay. But did you did your ordinance
come before council during this period there? Did that happen for your >> ordinance has been approved but it needs to be amended because the state won't accept u the chair of the HPC as the reviewer of applications and I have to
find somebody willing to do that from the staff to just take them and then pass them on to the chair. Um so that's and you also have a house tour coming up in December don't you Dennis? No, that would be next year. Um, we're we're looking at >> the Twilight Tour. Wait,
>> wait. We were told there was a Twilight Tour. >> Brandon Councilman Oras announced the Twilight Tour Saturday, December 6th. Seventh. >> No, that's next year. We were We were talking about doing house and garden tour in June and then next December
>> uh holiday tour. Not this year. >> Wondering why they solicited people to do it. Maybe that's tickets. I was like, >> he announced it at the last minute, too. So, it's an oops. Okay. >> There was first people to
maybe that was what he >> announced it. So, in the October, >> right? There we go. >> Oh, well. >> Oh, well, next year. We'll look forward to that next year. Thanks. Um, all right. Item five, professional reports. Feeling as we don't add to our
professionals, but car, do you have anything for us other than what's on the agenda? >> I do not. >> Okay, let's move along then. Item six, approval of minutes. We've got two lots. So, August 26, 2025. Anybody got comment?
>> Oh, to say it on the 26th. >> Yes. >> Mayor. >> Yes, that's quick. Councilwoman Fisara, >> yes. >> Miss Gifin, >> yes. >> Miss Whitesman, >> yes. >> Miss Wingle, >> yes. >> Mr. Sh. >> Yes.
>> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. H. >> Yes. >> Sorry. >> Get with it. >> I feel your pain, Mark.
Love me. >> Don't think you're being singled out. >> Now I'm not. >> Okay. >> When did we get to >> Carla? You got my red lines on the September 9th meetings, right? Meeting minutes, right?
>> Yes, I did. Those are the ones I sent out. Yes. >> Right. Just want to make sure. Thanks. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, that one's approved, right? >> Yeah. So September 9th, any comments on those other than cars that have been incorporated? >> Can I get
>> All right, that was H and Swingle. She didn't do it. Okay, >> it should. >> Yes. >> Uh, Miss Wingle, >> yes. >> Mayor Pharaoh, >> yes. >> Miss Griffin, yes. >> Miss Whitesman, >> yes.
>> Mr. Shob, yes. Mr. Schwanker. >> Yes. >> Your doctor. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. Getting on top of that now. >> You call council woman. >> I didn't. I didn't know. I'm sorry. Council woman.
>> Yes. >> There we go. >> I have to use a piece of paper to get. >> All right. Seven is the public hearing for Spark Car Wash. Ajourned. Car. I lost track of the dates of the emails on that. What do we have a date when they
want to come to that? >> All they asked was that it be adjourned to the next available uh meeting date of the board. So, um Okay. >> Just just going forward for Carla's purposes and the board scheduling purposes. Bless did ask for the meeting
of December 9th. >> I think Spark said something about January 30th. >> Yeah. Who was talking about moving it to the next year? Somebody at one point >> I think there's a Spark car wash. I I looked at the last email that I had and it said the next available date.
>> Okay. >> Can't hurt to carry it to the next date and then >> Yeah. No, >> we'll do that and we'll have to we'll have to talk on that then and work that out because then if I go to it 8 for Bless Wellness,
>> are they coming on December 9th? >> Yes, >> that's what they asked. They specifically asked for December 9th. >> But but bless is a very small part of it. Right. We did most of that public hearing. It's a It's not a full It's a parking lot.
>> It's just review of the plans, the new plans. >> Yeah. Um that could take some time and I'll I'll just leave it at that. >> Um so it's it's up to you. I mean, I have no problem scheduling both for the
same night and seeing what happens with Spark if they want to go, you know, further out to either the second December meeting or January. Um but uh you know bless could take some time >> and we need to get those done this year right or else we have to start again. >> No no we don't.
>> Okay. >> Are we having two meetings in December? >> Right now we have the 9th and the 16th on the calendar. >> So we could we could do >> we could do one big night or we could do two nights. >> Oh no. I don't want to do one big special meeting. >> We'll do two nights.
>> Yeah. We have a We have a special >> at five o'clock. It's going to take 10 minutes. >> But I'm saying so we might as well have a planning board, >> right? >> Yes. >> Wait. Yes, we purposely didn't because >> So I think Sparks could get they could get >> who was who was who was who did we see
first? >> We saw Spark a long long time ago. >> Glass asked for a specific date and since Spark said they just won the next film. Why don't we give them the 16? Yeah, I think she said I think last night because we held them off from asking them to revisit December 9th and
then we'll do five on 16th. >> Okay. And then I'll let them know that we need extensions of time through let's do to make it safe through the end of January and then that way we can get additional extensions if we need it. >> Right. That was I thought we'd already
done one to the end of December. Was that what we were asked for next? >> I saw email January 30th. I I know I lost track. Yeah, >> it could be, Carla. It could be. I just like I said, I looked specifically today at the last email I had. Um, but maybe I
don't have the latest one, but we'll do it this way. This will be safe and then we'll schedule for the 16th. I'll get extensions through the end of January and then we'll be covering all our bases. >> Yeah. And then and then um Yeah. 16th.
>> Yes. All right. Perfect. Thank you very much. All right, let's move to item nine then. Complete misdetermination sent to London County Roman Catholic Church application 257 block 32. Yeah, block 32 lot one.
>> Madam chair really quickly just before we start just so the announcement is made on the record. So with regard to item seven uh spark car wash that will be adjourned to the board's meeting of December 16th. No further notice or publication will be provided. And with
regard to item nine, bless wellness, uh that will be adjourned to the board's meeting of December 9th. Again, no further notice or publication required. >> Great. And then with regard to item nine, completeness, should we do a um uh
I forgot what's the word for a conflict of interest statement? Can you do that? We keep forgetting to do it. >> Yeah, we could do that. Um, is there anyone uh before we get into this matter that has any potential conflict of interest either uh financial or
otherwise that might prohibit them from voting in a non-biased manner in connection with this application or any other item on the agenda? >> That would probably be me just because I should be within the 200 foot list. Um I wasn't sure if we clarified that, but I
am definitely within that. So, >> we did clarify it. um there was an error and maybe council who I believe is here tonight can speak to that but you should recuse yourself from uh discussing this application and certainly voting on completeness.
>> Okay. So should I just blank myself? What should I >> That's Yep. That's fine. >> Now now just I I just want to make it clear for the record. Um, as a member of the public within 200 ft, you do have
the right to comment, ask questions, um, because you have that ability as a property owner of interest uh, should you wish to do so. You certainly don't have to. >> Right. >> Okay. Okay. >> Uh, good evening, uh, members of the
board. Um, and, uh, Miss Kazinski. My name is Ted Carroll. I'm an attorney in Flemington, New Jersey with the Gruinberg Law Office. Um, and I am joined here tonight by uh, Father James De Phillips. Uh, he is the head pastor
at um, St. uh, Magdalind Plazi Roman Catholic Church. Uh, this is an application for minor site plan approval with C variance relief. Um our office has reviewed the um completeness
correspondence from your uh board engineer dated November 17, 2025 and we take no exceptions. Uh just maybe a point of clarification with regard to the granting of the temporary waiverss for checklist items E and O that is the
water and sewer fee payment certification and the tax certification. Uh as you know the church is uh exempt from paying taxes. We are working uh with the tax collector for the burough and getting the appropriate documentation. Um and we will try to do
so at our best efforts, but that's just uh just a little bit of clarification on that matter. Um, in reviewing the corrected 200 ft list, I it does not appear that uh the one board member's name is on that list, but you know, should they choose to recuse themselves,
you know, I I would defer to to council with uh with that uh opinion there. Um, and uh we hope that you can uh deem this application complete. >> Just for clarification, they're not asking for a waiver on the utility
because they're not exempt from utility, just the taxes. It's tied I believe that the calculation is tied into the taxes. >> I don't think so. >> Okay. All right. Well, we'll do our we will uh supplement as needed. >> So, we'll do that as a temporary waiver. Obviously, is a tax
the water sewer. >> Thank you for that clarification with our our >> Yeah, we have our own we have we have a utility. So, it's >> understood >> versus bring that to the public hearing. >> Yes, absolutely. It will be provided.
>> All right. Um car, do you need to um put things into Sorry. I'm sorry about >> That's okay. Just just a couple quick comments. First of all, we can't see the presenters table. Um unless I'm just my
view from here is wrong. Could everybody else online >> see them? No. >> Okay. I just want to make sure he's off a bit. >> That's better. Yep. Hi, Ted. Here we go. >> Oh, yeah. That's much better. >> Yeah, we turn it.
>> Stand down there. We just didn't do it. >> Sorry. >> Yeah. >> All right. Great. So, that's perfect. Uh, that's fine. Uh, as far as the request for waivers, uh, they could be temporary waivers until we get the, uh, either proper information provided or proof that they are in fact exempt from
taxes and then we can deal with that issue. Um, I do have a concern with regard to the 200 foot list. Um, I know that when Miss Whitesman made an issue of it, uh, Mr. Clerico reviewed the 200 ft radius area around the property and
from what I recall, he was pretty adamant that she was within that. So, um, obviously we don't want you to have a jurisdictional issue. So, I think before we get to the public hearing, um I'm not quite sure what else to do, but
maybe reach out to Mr. Clerico. Maybe he could put a 200t radius circle around the property itself and make sure that the assessors provided names and addresses of all of those people, but he was pretty adamant that she was within that 200 ft.
>> Yeah, we'd be happy to work with the with Mr. Clerico to resolve that issue prior to the public hearing. That'd be perfect. Okay. And then just uh check back in with us on that. But as far as a motion for completeness, it would be a motion to deem the application complete subject to the granting of the temporary
waivers requested. >> There's also permanent waiverss in Bob's letter >> and those as well. Yep. Everything else in Bob's letter. Thank you. >> As per Bob's letter with the comments just made about those temporary wavers. Um >> correct >> covered. Does anybody have any questions
or queries on but I mean Bob's not here obviously but if anybody has anything they want to raise on it. >> I think it seems like a pretty simple one to me. So, I'll move that we deem the application to be complete granting permanent waiverss for checklist items
5, 11D, 18, 24, 25 A, 32B through 32G, 35. Temporary waivers for checklist items E 0 2B, 29, 30, 31, and 32A.
>> That's Bob's letter. Mhm. >> Second. >> Okay, that was Jeff. Jeff motion and Melissa second. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Dash. >> Yes. >> Miss Wingle. >> Yes. >> Mayor Carol. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Fara. >> Yes.
>> Miss Gin. >> Yes. >> Miss Oh. >> Uh, Mr. Show. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schlanganger. >> Yes. >> Mr. I keep on thinking he's staring. Mr. Yes. >> Seriously, that's it.
>> All right. Do we have enough on that? Yeah. >> Yep. That's it. >> Perfect. All right. >> Um, in terms of scheduling the public hearing, will we hear about that at a different time? >> Um, it's probably going to be January at this point. >> January, right? Because the two big have public hearings in them.
>> Both of them are going to be fairly full. >> So, we don't want Here's what I don't want. I don't want to schedule you and then you sit and wait all night to pay professionals and then not get hurt, right? Absolutely. So, I'd rather be honest and say it's going to be January. You It saves everybody money and time.
>> We haven't set our date yet. >> We haven't set the dates yet. So, we can't Yeah. The other thing you should know is that >> if you have to get with Bob to make sure that the 200 list is right for notice, then obviously you want to have enough time to within 10 days to do your publishing for the public hearing. So,
>> so the the the 9th would would be next to impossible. 16th would be tight anyway. >> Okay. So, okay, >> we we'll be working on our dates for next year at the next meeting so we can give you the preliminary list before we do it at the bureau. Um, but yeah, we'll keeping you informed of when that's
going to be and then we'll be able to just get you through quicker than sitting around waiting watching somebody else's public hearing. >> Fair enough. >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay, thank you. >> Thank you very much. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. Thank you.
All right, move to um item 10. Update works for properties. I presume this is you car giving an update >> or were they coming to give us an update? >> Well, they were supposed to be here tonight, >> right? And inside a nutshell, I guess.
>> Yeah. Um and I'm a little surprised to be honest. I had a long conversation. Oh gosh, I guess it was last Wednesday with council and we, you know, went through what the board's concerns were
and my suggestion was that uh they come and and explain where things stand, what their plans for the future are so that the board can understand where things are. Um because my letter I don't know if Carla distributed that to everybody
but my letter basically said that um they had asked for an extension through the end of December and uh if they didn't appear at our meeting of the last meeting in December that the board was going to entertain a a resolution to
dismiss the application without prejudice. Um so that letter still stands. I mean, we have two more meetings left till the end of the year. Um, I will check in with council and see what happened. Uh, maybe there was some misunderstanding, but I I thought she
was coming tonight. Um, I'll check in with her and I'll report back on the 9th. >> Okay. Thank you. And just to remind people who weren't on the board of that, how long has the application been open now? >> July of 2023.
>> Yes. But who's counting? just for interest. >> And for the record, I'm still going to recuse myself from this. >> Okay. >> Even though it seems like forever, >> right? >> All right. So, there we are. There we go. Less to talk about than we thought.
So, there we go. All right. Let's move on to item 11. The bills. >> There are check. Yeah, I looked at all the >> Okay, thank you. >> All right. Can I get a motion to order the bill then, please?
>> Second. >> Uh, Council Fur. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mayor Carol. >> Same. Miss Griffin. >> I bet I'm staying because I just had to look. >> How many do we need?
>> Uh, Miss Westman, is she back? Yes. Yes. >> And yes, >> Miss Mr. Show. >> Yes, >> Mr. Schwiner. >> Couldn't open them. I abstain. >> Mr. >> Yes.
>> We don't need five. We need five participants. >> Thank you, Dave. >> Carla, the file wasn't openable. I don't know why on my Did anybody else? >> Yeah. >> Everything else wise everything else said download download except for that
one. It wouldn't let me click on it and view them. >> I mean we all have different tech issues. >> I have a tech issue with the emails. I don't get a not I get I used to get like
one way and it so I don't look in there because I don't think there's a new email. So that's when you know I have to work out I want to work out. Anyway, tech tech. All right. Um item 12 executive session car. Do we have any need to go to executive session today? >> We do not.
>> Excellent. SO LOOK AT THAT. QUICK QUICK ITEM. OH, SORRY. Would you like >> I No, I just had one quick comment. I don't know if it makes any sense for the for um the Magdalene application. Yeah,
>> we're on my house is on wellwater. I mean, we're attached to the sewer. So, I wasn't sure maybe if there was a weird utility search that they did or not, but >> I think >> it's just so weird that my all of my neighbors were included but not us. And that's the only difference is that we're
on wellwater and not water. But it should still be >> I mean, it's the tax assessor that does the 200 foot list, >> right? And we I mean we pay our taxes. So >> yeah,
otherwise you'd know. Um I I I don't know. All All I do recall is I just recall the first time you brought it up. I asked Bob to look at it because I wanted to make sure that we weren't missing something. He's adorable. >> Sorry.
>> Can you go over there? Oh, he's not gonna go away. Hey, remember my daughter used to come get her ice cream every night at 7:30 behind me during the freezer. >> It's at least it's this one and not my other two who are questionable worse.
Um, >> so anyway, I know I know you definitely are. So, I just want to make sure they get it right so there's not a problem. >> Well, that's what I my only >> Thank you. Thank you. >> J I have a question for the um the rules committee. Are you ready to bring
something to the board or not yet? >> We are close. >> Okay, good. Good. All right, keep me in touch. Let's figure out to put it on the I want to get it on the agenda. Got two more. >> Let's go. Let's do that.
>> Future planning board member. >> But we're all Okay. So, we're all make updates. >> I don't think he want >> Well, but I think we're gonna all take a look, make comments. >> Okay. And then next week we'll meet on Wednesday. So >> after the turkey. That sounds good. All
right. Okay. Can I get a motion to adjourn? >> All in favor? >> Happy happy. >> Happy Thanksgiving everybody. >> Happy Thanksgiving everyone. >> Say bye. You can say bye now.
>> Bye. >> You know I want that. Father, what a vase. You've