There's no way I'm having a clear in the morning for grand. young lab, >> especially in the apartments, it's not like a dorm where they have a billion people helping you. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Last year, all the guys were on the
curb waiting and they just held it right to her room. It was slick. But this year, we've got the apartment and she's got all of the kitchen stuff. >> So, she's bringing exponentially more I was like, "Do you think that we can
like I don't know. I think Toby was on to something you called." And I was like, "Uhuh." So then I went upstairs and other than the whole hallway is like full. There's just a big enough trail to walk through.
I don't like your stuff. Like you're annoying. all settled in. >> Mason, right, are together. >> Is Hayden all settled in? >> He'll probably be in the same circle as Michael. He hangs out with
>> Waxiler. her friend's boyfriend got an apartment together. >> Or what the rough side of things are full with him every week, >> huh? >> Are
there's a lot of people So many people. >> I saw I saw you over there hobnobbing with the guys again. >> What the heck was it? on the frontage. >> I know this is going to be a long
meeting, but what if what if we needed to uh >> what's the proper word? Reset for bathroom break. I'm assuming it's going to take about two to three hours, but what if we needed to take
>> You're supposed to have this quoted. >> It only Well, if you think it's I guess you are. >> No. >> Well, my intention is to go line by line. >> Okay. >> We were depending on you, buddy. >> I know. I try.
just not >> well but you realize 70% of that is they voted for that fire >> their budget would be nothing if it wasn't for that >> well St. Paul came in at 7 point something
>> St. hasn't spent money in a long time. >> Very long time. >> Yes. >> It's very tentative over No, >> like to call the city council meeting of August 19th, 2025 to order. Let's please
rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> I get a motion to approve the agenda. So moved. >> Second. >> Motion is made and seconded. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. I. Oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. Moving on to item number four, consent agenda. Uh, can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Motion's been made and seconded. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. >> I. Oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. Moving on to discussion on the 2026 budget city investment update.
>> Monica seven minutes. Okay. I'm going to speak. Okay. Hey Monica, you're on speaker and we are on the investment update right now. >> Okay. >> So, do you want to just go through what you provided in the past? I know it
looks a little different than what they've seen. >> Sure. So, on that list, um there's on each line there's um each individual line is a fund. So the 100 that would be the general fund and then from there um
it's a different fund. Each one of those lines is the balance of the interest through the month of July. um we haven't gotten our statements for the month of August yet but through the month of July every all the investments are entered
and um that's the balance of each fund and then on the bottom let's show the um the total of all of the funds which would be that um 89,67 so um in the month of July um you can
see on that Um it has the end the credit balance it's just for this month and that's the 12,20580. Um so it looks like we are tracking at around that 10,000 to 15,000 per month
um with some of the investment changes that we've made and um using our funds to the best that we can. Um, and I'll just >> Monica, we did uh take a look at that and we have adjusted some of our revenue
projections in the budget based on some of those earnings that were we're at um been doing. Okay. Yeah, confirm that. So, uh, we looked at the like the first half of the month. So, up through June, we looked at how things were tracking
and then adjusted um guest um a guesstimate for the whole year based on those first six months. So, um we do have some board things. So like the the bond funds came in and we
were we're investing those and so it might be higher than what we anticipated based on the amount of funds we have available to you invest but um wanted to um estimate conservatively on that. So what you mean by that is when we get
bonds, we can put them into some shortterm there's limitations what we can do because we need to obviously see the money out but so we have a little bit of influx in cash but then it goes back out to the project. >> So there might be a little bit more interest. >> Okay. Any questions on
>> I'll just keep you on the line Monica if you're good for the next one. >> Okay. Moving on to the city debt update. >> So the debt um Monica has two things there. I had her add in the PFA so you know where we are at. Um I think it's
pretty straightforward. Um it kind of shows what the payment is. So there's >> is it the payment schedule >> and then there should be a one that just says the PFA the most recent. >> Oh yeah. >> Y um because that's not closed yet. So we sell that open. Um but it's pretty straightforward. I It just shows what we
pay this year, like how much we pull out of each utility fund because we have a fund committed from the enterprise funds. Um, so you can see now obviously it's got the big new one, the 2025A that's coming on um on the regular page, but then the PSA that we're still
drawing on is here. And we do are paying we have resume payment. We have the resume payments on the PFA loan. That's why you'll see that little note about the payment. that starts and then that just adjusts as needed throughout the schedule. >> So, it's not principal interest.
>> It is principal and interest. >> Why is it adjusting? >> It's adjusting because we draw more on it. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. So, then it has to fluctuate the payment, but it's still it's a 30-year um that we started paying on at the 2.587. >> And how much is available to draw on?
Um, we have another four million or six million left to draw. We aren't drawing on everything that we're approved for. >> Okay. >> It's not our intention. I would I would anticipate we draw another million, maybe a little more than that.
>> And what would what would that go to? >> Um, what would that go to as far as that would go to the PFA sewer fund? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Do we have an estimate of what dispersements are to come in yet >> for the um what is the retainage left
again like 400,000 or something? >> Say six and a half. >> Sorry, I muted myself. Um yeah, that sounds about right. >> 600. Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then we have um the cash flows that
I'm working through for the if we do the southside. So that could affect that. So we may go back and draw on some expenditures that we didn't draw on. Um like some legal admin, we just kind of paid cash for that. We might look at that and draw some of those to free up
some cash. It kind of depends on, you know, what I find out with how we would cash flow this. And so getting and I don't have a straight answer on how many lots we can sell yet. So, but we actually did well when it comes
to the PFA loan. Um, I know probably five years ago my goal was like 10 to 12 million >> and I think Bolton and May thought I was crazy, >> but we did well as far as our appropriations and such. So, it is
actually where we anticipated we wanted to be as far as that standpoint. >> Okay, >> for this big project and it's a 30-year which is a huge advantage for us at that interest rate, >> right? Okay.
And for if we move to the payment schedule, we have two loans that are near completion. >> Yeah. >> Are we do we know when the end date is on the 2015 and the 2020?
>> So one is I brought that sheet with me. Monica, do you remember we have two years on two or three years on the refunding? Do you recall? >> I think it was three.
>> Okay. And then the next one would be the 15 which is was only a 10year. So that'll be coming quick too. I believe the 15 was only a 10 year. That was for y. Um so that that'll follow. That
should be though it's 2020 then 2015 and those are all so when we bonded um the latest project we structure that bond and we wrap it. So we try to keep things as level as possible. There is going to be an uptick with this la last
project because it was so big. Um but we try to wrap it where we um can slowly creep it up. It doesn't go up down up down. We want it to stay kind of steady. I can sh I can share that with you guys. I can send it out to see you if that's helpful. Um, I just got the schedule
updated schedule from the bond council this week. So, I can send that to you. But I will say even though we have bonds dropping off, we have other ones ramping up 18 and 2025 will ramp up because of how we wrap them, >> right?
>> So, >> okay, >> it's not that we're going to all of a sudden have all this couple hundred thousand. That's not what happens. it it's specifically designed to try to keep it level um we don't have big fluctuations >> right so
like a tier approach >> yeah it's yeah so like the 18 when we structured that because of some of the other payments we had that were higher we actually started low >> and if you remember the water and sewer took care of that for the first two years now the principal and levy's
coming on >> okay >> because those other ones are coming off yep Good. Any other comments or questions? >> Okay, Monica, I'll let you go. >> Okay, give me a call if you need anything else.
>> All right, we'll move into the operational budget overview. Would it be starting at general fund? >> That's up to you. Wherever you want to start >> in our packet, that will be I suppose
easier to start there. All right. Any comments right away from council on budget overview starting with the general fund or anything of note or additional comment from Sarah? >> I don't think not a whole lot of
fluctuation. Um a lot of flat um things that have gone up are just kind of things that we see tracking or like um we've seen you know we anticipate more expenses or whatever that the case may be. >> Um
one thing I'll mention too like building permits and then the payments of the inspector those kind of offset retain a small portion. Um >> so if interest is the the big change for Yeah. And it depends in some interest
you know you see more in other funds. It depends on all those funds have a certain assigned portion and that fluctuates you know how much interest earning. So um but yeah we are seeing good positive earnings compared to four or five years
ago. It's pretty tough. Um, I'll just note, you know, I don't think we're anticipating any big changes in court finds. We kind of talked about that. Um, >> there's a there's a big difference
between other receipts in 24 versus 25. What What do those other receipts compromise? Where they come from? Um, other receipts in 24. Um, it's probably
some type of miscellaneous charge that we got reimbursed for. I'd have to >> All right. >> Um, >> so isn't anything that's going to be constant? >> No. >> Every year. All right. >> No. Um, and as you can see, 25 didn't have anything. >> We have Yeah.
>> But we every once in a while get um like we had a we have insurance dividend. Sometimes we get or we may get um >> like a settlement payment like those POS those are weird receipts. We don't get that regularly. >> Um every once in a while you'll have
that fluctuation. Um but as you can see I I we are usually pretty slow to overstate the we're going we're not going to move the projection on the revenue side unless we have some good evidence to show for >> Okay. Uh KD looks like we're getting
additional state aid. >> Yeah, we looked we called the state, didn't we, on that one? >> Yes, we called the state to see how their formula if that changed at all from years past and it did not. So then I just looked at what it was the last
few years and how it increased and >> Okay. >> So I just added on for what it to anticipate what it would be. >> When will we when will we know the final >> get paid? Yeah. They don't promise you nothing.
>> Okay. >> We've been close though. >> Yeah. >> The only time we have to be careful is if somebody goes on unpaid leave and we don't have a position filled because then we can't turn in those hours. >> So like for example for 2025, the reason it's blank is because we haven't been paid yet. >> Correct.
>> Okay. Is there a historical month that they normally pay or is it just >> It's fall, isn't it? >> Yeah. Um, it gets automatic direct deposit. I don't physically get the check. >> I say October. >> Yeah. So, it's automatically deposit. So, I'm not exactly sure.
>> Okay. >> October. >> Some increased activity. Not much changing with park. >> Um, we did propose an increase in the Holdridge Park rental fee to 200 as you
saw on the fee schedule. >> I don't anticipate that's going to bring in much and and and park fees do kind of fluctuate. I mean, I think we'll rent Oldidge, but some days are better than some years are better than others. I can't you might make an extra 500 bucks. It's
not going to be big money, >> right? Yeah. >> Okay. Moving to expenses, unless there's more discussion around revenues. Moving on. Did council have any questions or comments around expenses
on we'll say the first page of the general fund of expenses. The Humane Society fees, are we okay with going up to 2,000? Do we even know where we're at today? >> Um, we're still under budget. So, we
said max of two this year. >> Okay. >> So, I think we've been build for it hasn't been too bad. Like, it's I think it's under a thousand yet, >> but they don't bill us timely. It's every three months. So, do you know if we sent in a lot of animals?
>> I only know. We I only got email. >> We have been kind of when they call a city hall, we really encourage them to try to find alternatives. >> Um, so sometimes that help, you know, we'll take the information on the, you
know, if there's a dog missing or like, you know, try to get it find the owner, so to speak. >> So decreasing that to say a thousand would that help? It's >> not going to it's not going to do much. It's not It's not going to change much
on the levy, >> but I mean, you can I mean, that's why I think I put the note. Didn't I put a note in there? Monica and I did. >> Yeah, we're okay. >> I thought at one of the last meetings we talked about that we're looking at going
from a,000 to 2,000. >> That's what I had in my notes. >> Yeah, that's kind of what we agreed on. >> I I don't think I'd want to go any higher now. So, police department for expenses were increasing our budget for vehicle repair
with two brand new vehicles. >> No, it's actually will be lower. It's just what I did is combined the two accounts into one. >> Okay. So it on here it just looks like it's bigger but it's I just moved to make it more condensed so I don't have
so many accounts. It just moved some money around to make it so it's actually lower. >> Okay, good. Thank you for clarification. >> You want to talk about your staffing just so they know what's in there? >> Um not.
>> Yeah, for the staffing um I was advised to cut. So, I cut a lot of the part-time hours. So, we will not be having the permanent part-time this um line anymore. And so, what it'll be is the a lot of the part- timerrs will just be working. I mean, we'll be
about 20 to 22 hours worth of coverage. It will vary depending um depending on also vacation, it may go down to only 18 hours of coverage a day. So, >> Sure. And does that change during school year when code officer Cody is in
at the school. >> Yep. It all depends on the schedule and who takes vacation and when and >> Okay. >> And who I can get for parttime because I have to also watch how many hours part- timerrs get also. >> How many part-time have we got so far?
>> There's six, but I'll be putting the two are still being backgrounded yet. So, we'll have eight. So, but they all have other full-time jobs, most of them. So, it's hit or miss if we get I mean there's lots of times where I have to do
creative scheduling to get people their vacation they need and >> sure >> all that. >> So, we have eight part-time, two pending. >> Well, six two pending. >> Six two pending. >> Yeah. >> But these are just casual. Yeah, they're casual. >> Casual. >> They have full-time jobs outside of this.
>> How many full-time do we have? >> Four, >> including me. >> Okay. Um, I'll also just so just so everybody understands when we ran this budget the first time, was it like 28% or something that came back on the levy, it was ugly with all the capital and um,
you know, just increases, employment, insurance, all that stuff. Um, so yeah, we did there was some cutting, but that's up to the council to decide if if they want to rep prioritize if you want to put money into a different department. is another or that's that's
what this meeting is for. >> Yep. Okay. >> And and then we also have worked in the union contract requirements too as well in this budget. So that's why you're seeing some uptick there. But that was part of the union. >> Okay. What's three multi union members?
>> Correct. We have four fulltime including >> including me but only I can't be part of the union. >> Okay. Thanks for that. So, moving forward, anytime in the future, are we looking at a permanent
part-time officer? Is that something we could look at? >> Is that what's proposed to be removed as the permanent part-time? >> I did remove it with this. >> So, no more hiring, right? Like, you're not hiring right now. So, >> the permanent is a little different.
Maybe explain that. A permanent part-timer was a part-timer who could work who they would be part of the union and they could work a 14 up to 14 to 16 hour week hours a week. >> Okay. >> So they were more a routine or schedule
bas you know routine schedule or >> Sure. >> We had one how long did we have one Katie? A couple years ago right? >> 21 ago. >> Wow. Um but see with the union rules we
have to Katie has to watch ours very closely because um if you go over that then they're automatically included and can bargain. >> Sure. >> Um so that's always where we struggle >> where you just accept one and then bring
them to the office. >> What does it do? What does the permanent part-time do to the salary? I cut I believe it was origin 10 grand and so >> it wasn't what you came in wasn't that
much you know we had talked about it >> permanent parttime would still be cheaper a full time off correct Right? Because you're not paying for the insurance. Yeah. >> But then you have Well, if they bargain, they could get the increase of cola, too.
>> Yep. >> So, >> but our but our cola, it doesn't matter because we pay our we just keep our part- timerrs on step one and we build in the cola because we've retained them better. We've talked about that on the personnel. >> Um, and since we've done that, that's
been very helpful on retention. But they could negotiate other things. >> So when you adjusted the salary, it was to remove the permanent part-time >> salary. >> Yep. >> And the question on the table is, do we
want to have that position built in the future? Do we feel as though we need it? You know, it seems to me that we're always struggling to fill hours with our part- timerrs and
kind of a revolving door sometimes. >> And if we're talking future and we're talking, manower is an issue. to me. >> Well, and you have a you have a good problem in that we've retained some employees who now earn more time off.
You know, we have employees that have lives outside of their jobs, so they're you know, they want their time off. >> Um it's a it's a good thing because we we have some employees that have been around a long time. Stability. Let's uh put that one in the parking lot as just
an opportunity as we're looking at the levy and continue to to adjust um what that could look like if we were to add you said what 10,000 back if >> Okay. If we went that route. Okay. The other half the battle is actually filling it. You know
>> and I know one of the part- timerrs that we are currently backgrounding now. He would be interested strongly in that. Okay. >> All right. Anything else in police? Building instructions. Pretty self-explanatory.
Street department removal. hours that include overtime mark. >> We don't get much overtime. Most the guys comp there. >> You keep it down below. So you don't >> most guys will comp theirs. >> Okay. Right. >> Um
>> if we actually get a winter say we we budgeted 315 for 25. Granted, you know, we still have 25 left, but >> I'd be surprised if we actually hit our budget. We should come in under budget on this on this year. Yeah, it's and you
know it you just don't like who would have thought we'd had the wet summer we've had like if that keeps going oh boy. >> Yeah. We get that snow we're in trouble. >> Part- timerrs in there too. Mark >> um >> pretty much we have very minimal part
time. >> Okay. We buy all our fuel locally or do you get some from the county? >> We get most from Breny. >> Okay. >> But all will come out of that line, whatever that is. >> Yeah. >> So would we say there could be an
opportunity to shave the 26 budget and snow removal? >> I would not recommend it because you had a couple, you know, a year without snow. going back to previous history. >> You're messing with her or mother nature. So
>> yeah, >> I want my butt covered. >> Okay. >> Do you happen to know what we spent in 23? >> No. >> Okay. Just two two dry ones now. >> Okay.
>> I think it was more normal. >> That's why we're up there. >> Plus, you got to remember you've had two in there also with four employees. >> Yep. >> You know, so you cut in 23 a little.
>> We have been tweaking them down. Yeah. Several of them. >> Well, I think Are we doing okay on salt though? >> That's my next question. >> Yep. Salt is We're going to be down on that again. But >> see, I thought I saw a salt expense now.
>> Yeah, we used to be more, but it's lower because I think he's got a good stock. >> Yeah, there's a stock pile from the year prior. >> Yep. >> Do we buy with the county to get a better >> We buy direct through the state bid. >> Okay. So, >> that's about the best price you can get then. >> Yes, it is.
>> Okay. refresh my memory. What do we have for vehicle maintenance repair 2025? Hi right now. I do not >> I mean I just see we're a little over budget there.
Yeah, I do not remember. >> All right, >> I remember the scene and I can't cuz I remember snow plow. We had a couple things there, but we're going to have a back truck extens out on that. That's not You guys don't have that yet. That's sewer.
>> Uh it's actually on my desk. Can't remember. Was it the loader or anything? >> Plow truck, but nothing. >> We have a new truck now, right? Or a newer truck for snow.
>> Yeah. Uh 20. And it was both plows had somebody the old one had. And then we told last year they Andy's towing. >> Okay. >> I'd say half of that probably those We can get that for you if somebody
doesn't want it. It's always >> Well, it's pretty hard. It's hard to keep that in sync, too. >> Oh, yeah. You can't you can't predict that. >> Evidently, we needed to fix it or replace it. >> Yeah. >> That gets
hard. And then you made a note here. You shifted some of the full-time salary to the parks, which is why we see the increase there if it's the 10,000. >> Yeah. So, that's something that Monica looks at just to see how we're tracking, but it can fluctuate from year to year
depending um you know, like parks. Obviously, we had to mow every three times a week. than when we were in drought and so forth. >> And the salaries like we did more work on the lion shelter last year. So the guys were doing some of that. Our goal
this year at is uh you know the warming house which will go somewhere in the parks. So kind of where we're putting it. >> You're looking at two of those, right? Warming houses. >> You just have the one. >> Just have one.
>> Okay. >> Have one rig, one. >> Okay. So, you know, I know the the parks and the street and snow and all that's kind of broken out for the for your team who does they do all those things.
>> Yeah. >> So, you and your team have the salary of the parks department, the salary of the snow removal and the salary of street. Does that sum up this the
>> salt taken out of those water and then water? Okay. >> Sewer's been when we get there it should be running very high. >> Hopefully that's going to tame back down next year and there's going to be more put back to these other you know there's a lot of stuff we didn't do this year. >> We should have been we wanted to be
doing I should say. >> And remind me again it's you and how many full-time? >> Three others >> plus three others. >> And then pretty much your part time is what usually during the summer. We have two. >> This year was two right? >> Yeah. best stitch the two part-time and summer, right?
>> And then if he hires any seasonal pushers, >> he may have to have someone to help this fall because I my one summer kid was done today and the other one's already at football. So, >> okay. Yeah, they see him for three hours in the afternoon. >> Okay. So the salaries for
public works is you plus three full-timers and we divide that salary out amongst all of those areas. >> So it's based on what they work. So they track every hour while they work. >> So >> sheep,
>> right? Are we but are we when we do our budgeting though, are we just factoring 40hour work weeks or are we factoring in like an average of 50our work weeks? No, we budget like the extra gets budgeted for like snow. That's an obvious one, right? >> But we're essentially budgeting. Yes.
Like a 40 hour. They have benefits, so it's it still works out to be about a 40 hour. >> Um and then they comp whatever is extra. >> Sure. >> You know, so it's not We don't factor in a lot of extra overtime. It's just the snow is probably the biggest one. >> Okay.
>> And you work some this year because of special projects, but >> And then when they comp it, they're comping it at time and a half. So like if they work snow it's one and a half out of the budget it's taken. >> Okay. >> So then when they take and then they take that those hours >> not taking the pay but they're the way
Monica does it it >> the hours in the program take it back out of that fund the time they have out of the comp. >> Sure. >> And they just comp basically like PTO. >> Yeah. Vacation. >> Vacation s. >> Okay. So I guess make sure I'm make sure
I'm asking my question correct here. Are are you looking at adding on a full-timer? >> That's what we want to do. I mean, that's >> okay. Would a would a full-time part-time work for you if you had an individual
would do that rather than have >> Oh, yeah. Doesn't make any difference. >> People don't want to work part-time as we, you know, >> a lot of people don't want to work full-time on that, >> right? that sometimes you can get somebody says, "Hey, yeah, I'd be willing to work >> three days a week, but you know,
>> I don't know if it work for you or not." >> Back to the question, though, >> you have to know what you need, I guess. But >> there's uh if we have four people plus a couple part- timerrs, 40 hours a week times
whatever the salary is, we take into consideration um benefits and uh you know, step increases and such. Does this math math as a whole or is this or or is this more money than we're
actually paying >> this mass on our expense for the current year? >> If we add them all >> together, we put if we put all of them together into the public works bucket. >> Yep. >> Does that equal the four full-timers plus two part-timers salary at 40 hours
plus benefits >> or are we expecting it to be over? benefits would be elsewhere. Okay. >> There's insurance. >> Oh, I sure. >> What it doesn't factor is what we would call like severance. So, what's in their banks,
>> what that liability is that's reported on your financials that is outside of the operating of the current year. That's a different liability that's hanging out in that bucket. So, when we have somebody term, we have the
healthcare savings plan. There would be a charge on those accounts. Yeah. >> For those. >> So, I mean, just again, apologize if I'm >> So, they get the same benefits whether they're part-time or full-time. >> No, no, >> there be less benefits. >> They're less benefits if you're
parttime. >> Correct. Okay. >> I thought there would be, but >> So, I'm going to use I'm going to use easy math and just to get my point across. If we had four full-timers at $50,000 a piece, $200,000. >> Yep. two part-times at $25,000 a piece.
So we're at a total of $250,000. >> Yeah. >> Does the salary of parks, snow, water, sewer, street, etc. does those salaries equal 250 or do they equal more or less? Um, I can Yeah, we have
>> if we're if we only pay, we'll say again, easy numbers, $250,000 a year in salary to your team, >> but we're budgeting or, you know, over or under, but we're saying we need, you know, $325,000 to
cover it all, >> that would tell me, well, maybe we do need a full-timer or are we overexpensing when we and and inflating our numbers? We don't pay overtime for those people. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, we don't but they they have companks that are quite
substantial, >> right? So, they just keep on acrewing. >> Yeah. I think I had to mention like there the >> I assume we have no cap on that. >> There is a cap, but um sometimes we've had to wave the cap because we don't have a choice. >> Sure. >> You got to send, you know, Mark's got to go out, Katie's got to go out, they got
to cover the shift. It is. So, sometime I mean, and that's just for everybody, the elderly, everybody. Um but no the what is expense in the current year is their regular and then if if they have any overtime I don't know the last time we've paid overtime for anybody it's
been a couple years what >> holidays >> holidays we may pay out but that's like an eight hour here >> um that's your liability that's acrewing but in the current year that's what they're getting paid they're 40 hours a week every
>> um I do have a spreadsheet how Monica figures this. Okay. And I can show you. We just don't put it in the packet because it does have some sensitive weed. >> I just want to make sure that I just want to make sure that we're not overstating y >> our expense line. >> Uh and so it doesn't look like our levy
maybe is not as worse as it could be. Right. >> So just so you know, she has this worked their salary, >> health insurance, dental, everything. Okay. >> Annual expense. And then you see those codes? Those are all filtering in. Um down here um is all the parttime
seasonals. Those are kind of lumped >> based on our total wages. So this is how she figures. And then like how we split on the bottom here like cuz sewer gets a portion for some people. >> Um >> there's that's that's all funneling into those spreadsheets. So you know and she
could probably explain it to you if you wanted to come in and you know get dive into it. No, I just want to make sure that uh you know so the these salary increases when we see budget increases from year-over-year, >> my assumption would be that is in a large part to just probably overall uh
step increases or or right salary increases year-over-year. >> Yeah. So I mean I mean we do have and the reason I don't usually put that in there is because some of the health stuff is really >> not is not public. Well, yeah. And
that's >> the details. You don't need to >> It takes a little piece of work to appropriate each one of these salaries out of every fun. >> Yeah. I think part of my question was just, you know, making sure that we're in line. If we have all these different salaries in these six different buckets, do they at least somewhat align with the
reality of what we're actually paying out, you know, for these five, six people a year? >> And we have to um like we have to tie out everything too because we get um like workers comp. Um, I don't want to be they have to go off of actuals because it costs more
money to pay workers comp on a police officer than it does on an admin. So like if I have an admin person working in the police department, I don't want to charge him as a police officer. I want to charge him as an admin because it's a safer job. >> So we have to pinpoint where everybody
works and tie that out every year. >> And and and and you have to be appropriated what what's coming out of these fund. It's got to have a bearing on the different fundings and grants and stuff that we get. >> Yes. >> From the government. So, you got to have a good picture of what it's costing in
each one of these departments. >> Yep. And and that's why Katie has to verify the wages every year return and report those to get that aid. And Mark does the same thing for fire and so forth. >> But yes, it's um it is kind of a
>> a messy thing here. Um but we do have to tie them out to the spreadsheet. >> And I don't do as much of that leg work. Monica does more of it now. >> No, thank you. That answers my question. I just want to make sure that we're not overating because >> takes a little her spreadsheet. Looks like she has it figured out.
>> So, um, any other comments or questions around street before we move into uh, general expenses? >> All right, >> we want to go back up to general. >> Uh, wait, sorry, am I going backwards?
No. Uh >> that's part of street the top of that next. >> Oh it is? >> Yeah. >> Well no hold on y >> streets is a part of the general fund. >> Okay. >> It's a it's a department in the general fund. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's why your general fund is so big because it has all your critical
functions. >> Sure. Um well I feel like I moved to the page. >> And if you ever see our cleaner, thank her because she's our steady Eddie that keeps us >> sure >> budget. She does a great job. She's always dependable. So, I'll be able to
see her. We're very happy with her. >> That's all counts. >> Do you want to go to parks or do you want to move on to >> uh parks? Yep. Sure. Parks. We already
fig talked about salary. We're good. tree servicing I think was your biggest change, wasn't it? >> Looks like salary. >> I think you requested that, didn't you? >> Yeah, cuz we've been blowing that one out of the but we've been taking a little bit out of street there too, just because we've been as you can see what
we did in 14, you know, we don't have 15. I think some of the trees on the north end we put under street because it's street project. >> So, >> sure. Some of that removal is that up to you guys or is that the state just says hey such and such diseases whatever they
got to go >> we don't have any diseases that we know of right now so not >> I didn't know if they were >> yeah well if you get like a Dutch elm or whatever you have involved in control >> or if Ashley comes in or whatever >> Ashley bug no it's good
>> all right any questions >> okay uh Moving on to water. >> This one's a struggle. Um, so we tried to simplify so you know the
revenues by moving the combo because we don't have the combo usage like we used to if you recall with the industries. Now we'll get some of it back. Oh. >> Um, and we're tracking we're not tracking at budget um or below budget. Well, look what's happening. It rains
two inches every other week, I feel. So, um the the proposal in the fee schedule does an incremental increase. Um you know, based off I didn't do what the water studies said because I kind of got
the impression that that wasn't really something the council was too excited about was jacking it that quickly. >> Um but uh we're struggling with revenues on the water side. Well, one of our big users, you know, left us. >> That's a and of course with the rate
setting whatever a lot of people probably changed their type of usage in in themselves and we've added value by >> what year >> wet year. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> but there's less watering yesterday, I think, than >> you know, and all those things have a
part in it, you know, and um so, uh >> but would we say that because we took an average this year of a few months that that made a bigger impact than what we thought?
>> Well, the average is not affecting the >> We made more money this year doing it this way, right? >> Your water fund was not changed. It's your sewer. That's imped by the average. >> The sewer is actually tracking. Okay. >> Um and that's just because of rate increases. We did those rate increases.
>> Um and that but that sewer average is negatively impacting a handful of people too. >> Sure. >> Um you might have heard from them from them. Um our our water issue is because of just >> there just no usage. >> Yeah. So do we know in our program how
they're going to look at this from St. about as to how often they may increase our rate. >> Yeah, we do know. >> Yeah. >> Yep. We get a budget >> every so many years or >> so like on our sewer side. Um I have it in there. What we're projecting >> jumped a little bit. I'm sorry.
>> With the sewer, we're talking water investment. >> Yeah. Okay. Would you want me to talk about that now or do you want me to >> We can go backwards. Yep. Yeah. Um so with the sewer um we have those you said the regional capital and then you have the treatment fees. So those are set
based on the rates of St. Cloud. And so what Mark and I look at our flows and our flow is actually a little bit lower. So we were able to kind of tone that down a little bit um and based on the proposed rate. So I have it broken down. It's in there's like six charges. Um,
and then I we go in and put our flows and we can we can get it pretty dang close. Um, obviously we're going to have those rain influx events and stuff like that. But the good news with the rain stuff, it's not as strong. So, we get charged per the strength and the rain
stuff isn't adding extra, you know, strength or what do I call it? >> Strength. >> Yeah. I mean, >> um, but so those are all built in. And then you have um the one thing I'm still working on is the depreciation because
we we haven't completely closed the project out. So I don't have all those final numbers because the auditors and I kind of did part of it but not all of it. Um so but that's a non-cash. Um but that's just good for you to know in your operating what your depreciation expense is so that you know what kind of capital
in the future is coming. So we have a pretty good hands on to follow this so we know what we have to do >> there to be any increase >> on the sewer. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> We need a little more data. We need >> Well, for your stuff for our side.
>> Yeah. For my side, I need a little more like >> by oxide and things like that. Now we're ting it down. We're luring. >> So chemicals could be internet things like that. you know, monitoring things. >> Well, in utility, right? Like the
pumping expense, you know, we uh like when we send it, you know, and when that's kind of going to fluctuate a little bit. Um, but the good news is it goes downhill. >> Um, you know, it's it hasn't been too crazy. I don't think the pumping expense >> doesn't make a difference
time we sended or anything. Does that make a difference? >> No. Right. >> Whether it's daily. >> Okay. Doesn't make a difference. right now with since June 11th, we've been standing steady. >> Okay. So, >> but I mean I I feel pretty confident in
our charge numbers and stuff. Um you know, less rain events, we can't always control that, but um >> Right. >> No, and they S code is very good about giving us detailed spreadsheets and we have meetings about it. Um you know, they explain it all. If you have
questions, they'll calcate, you know, they're they're good about that. Okay. And then we put in here a small increase for the rate study >> on the sewer and on the water. >> But the water we didn't go as big though. >> We didn't Well, wasn't it
>> 25 35 or 35? >> Like 35%. >> No. Um it's minimal. Um I did if you saw on the feast I have it up here since we're on water and so let's talk about that. Um,
so you'll see one of the projects on the enterprise was the um Why aren't you moving now? Was the um meters. We want to keep going with the meters. >> Yep. >> I don't know why it's frozen.
>> I had proposed we could charge a tier or we could charge like a flat meter fee for additional water revenue. We think we'll make we think the the revenue would be more stable with the flat fee. We know what we're coming. We don't our best guess on the tier is
it'll make less money than the flat $2 per month fee. Um and the flat $2 per month fee would be would work out to pay for that meter in about 13 years for that residential home. >> What's a lifetime of meter? 20.
>> Well, we said 20. I'd figure 15, Thomas. Okay. >> It's like 13.7 years or something. It pays for itself. >> So, it basically just pays for itself. >> So, you you have a justifiable charge there with the meter fee because we're going to be putting in new meters for everybody. Yeah. >> Um
>> my comments from the billers like uh Stacy and Sarah were, you know, it's easier for people to follow those fees what they are for. He said sometimes those calculations just get difficult for people to understand.
>> Um that's up to you. I just that was one of the proposals in there. Do you have a fe schedule? >> I I I just can't get mine toen. I don't know why it's frozen. >> Mine is in my bag. >> Well, I have it here, too. But >> it was in the first packet, I think.
>> Where it was in the first packet. That's in my bag. Um, do you have uh council gun, do you have um >> water >> water with the water increases? What's that to be? >> Water >> again.
>> I'll pull it up. I don't know why it was >> I had it open was 5% I thought. Three or five? >> I thought it was five. >> I probably did five because three on that low. It doesn't do that. >> I think it was I think it's five.
>> And >> I was concerned with it only being only being five. >> 10% increase. >> What was that? >> 10%. >> So that was if you did the tier. >> Here it is. Sorry. Um >> versus the $2 flat. >> The water rates going up to 84 cents per
hundred. Um, but then the 96 cents is if you want to do the tier or do the $2 a month fee to all accounts. I'm just throwing options out. And that would be So it's a 10% plus a 15 if you want to do the tier. >> So it's a 10% increase. >> It is a 10. Okay. The the sewer must be
the >> the Yep. I I'm sorry. I got too many numbers. >> Nope. That's good. Um I mean based off the study uh and I'll I'll play devil's advocate. We have um
constituents uh not happy with the water or the quality of water. Um but on the opposite end uh don't want to don't want to have the added expense of doing it right by adding a treatment a water treatment facility plant.
>> Um you can't have the best best of both worlds. So, you know, that to me is the single biggest challenge. Um, and I think to make sure everyone's on the same page, especially those
watching, the the water bill is not expensive. The sewer bill >> is expensive >> is is the large rate. That is the largest percentage of the bill because we built a new >> well, we didn't build a facility. we are
um sending it to St. cloud, right? And that's also why for the better part of 20 years, we did not grow this city because we had a building moratorum and we could not. Um, and so I think that I want to make sure that everyone's clear
on that. When we're talking about water, that is the water treatment facility plant. We know that we need a new well. We know that the water tower needs uh rehab. We know that we probably need a a ground tower
uh as or as well as then the treatment facility plant, you know, approximately 14 156 million, right? >> Yeah. >> Depending on when we build it, >> right? >> Um now, I know we're trying to get money for that through >> state and federal.
>> We did move forward on the federal. We got picked up by three of them, which was pretty good, but um the last I heard was maybe two million, which isn't enough. >> No. We were hoping for half of what? >> We requested half and didn't say that we said the project wouldn't be feasible
with less than half. >> Um, so I mean I don't know. So when we talk about this rate study and they took into the they took into consideration that if we were to do this project I think they said what 28
>> maybe 27 27 28 >> um right in order for us to budget effectively and actually work towards that without it being a rip the band-aid moment off like we did with sewer >> then we need to start increasing that now. Um,
you know, as painful as that may sound, I I mean, I I know we need to I know we want to try to be mindful and everything else, but at the same time, we know we need to build it and it's going to cost money.
and those uh calculations, those projections they put together, that was assuming that we would have half of it covered by state or federal dollars. >> That was assuming 7 million would come in, >> right? So, you know, >> because we did well at the staff level, we we talked about it and we just we
just couldn't foresee us taking out another 12 million in debt, >> right? >> Didn't think it was feasible. >> No one wants to. But then at the same time, everyone has to understand or be okay with whatever our situation with water is today is going to be what it is until everyone's ready to spend $14
million to fix it. >> I mean, it's it's as simple as that. There is no there's no other way. >> Um, >> and I don't know of any other programs or anything besides federal state appropriation and federal appropriation
is probably going to be the the best, you know, chance to get some significant money because we've been able to get from the state, you know, a couple million >> and they're not in any good budget situation either. So, >> um, remind me of our situation with the
water treatment facility plant. I mean, what does our timeline look like from a, you know, need to do it? >> Take that one. I mean, is there like are we on are we on the clock like in five years like we got to make a decision to do it or not do it or
>> I'd like to see it here in five years, but we need funding else can't put it on all the residents. >> Um and it'd be more economically feasible to do it all at once, right? The the well and the and the station and the
ground tower or or does that matter? >> The expensive part is the treatment. That >> is the treatment. >> Yeah. The well in the storage tank isn't that much. >> Yeah, those were >> couple million. >> No, not even. >> Not even. >> I mean, would that help at all? Anything with our water situation? >> Not with the brown.
>> Our daily supply. >> Not with the brown. The treatment the treatment plants. >> Iron. It's iron. >> The iron and the, you know, mag. Yep. There we go. The magnes and everything that needs to be cleaned out. >> And that well is what has high iron. >> Yes. >> Which well? >> Five. >> Five. And
>> five. Which is the one that's out there? >> Weston. >> Tons of water, lots of iron. And that's where six would go. Yes. Okay. >> Well, and but the the positive of that location is we have not had a POS detection out there. >> Yeah. >> Which is a big plus. >> Mhm.
>> Or other ones that we've had yet. >> Yeah. >> Do we have a end of life on what was it? Well, three that that we're worried about that we need to get thinking about well six sooner rather than later beyond or besides the
treatment plant. We'll never get any funding from the POS that's in that wall, right? It's minimal. >> They're going to shut it down. >> It's minimal enough. Yeah. >> They're going to shut it down and make us do six before they do anything to treat that wall. >> Yeah. Well, >> that's basically what they told us.
>> What will we get funding? Shut three down. >> I think it's high enough. Huh. That would be on our end if we had to shut three down and do a new six. Unless Yeah, >> because it' be simultaneous. We'd shut down three and open six. So you'd probably just piggy back it off that
project, you know, >> right? >> I mean, is there is is that something we need to do sooner rather than later? I mean, if we had if we said, "Okay, we can we can wait on the treatment plan for five years or whatever, four years." I mean, do we need to get the well in
sooner than that or is that can that wait? >> I They didn't seem to be too alarmed of what we're doing. >> Yeah. No, we only use three casually. I mean, yeah. >> Okay. You know, sometimes if they put a standard in place and then then you you
will help what are you going to help us to fund this then you know and that's >> the magnes had to send that letter two years ago. >> They lower we were fine for years they lowered the standard and we're not in compliance or whatever. >> Right. We can't control that >> when it's not it's an advisory. >> Yeah.
>> It's not a it's just an advisory. >> Sure. with uh getting appropriate funding. 2829 look feasible to do this >> if we can find funding >> if we happen to get help. >> I say we can't do another 12 million.
>> So I did sit on a call with Emmer's office was it a month or two maybe six weeks ago and like ask where those appropriations were and they thought they would still get some appropriations for that stuff going but there's so much that has changed down there. I I haven't
heard anything since, so I don't think it's looking that great. Um I don't know that we're going to have a good idea for another year or two just how things all settle out with all the other major >> Oh, wasn't it last year? They didn't appropriate any funding for any of that. >> No. >> Yeah.
>> So, they're like backed up a couple years already and then, you know, just everything else that's changed. We always have to anticipate uh when appropriations come, you know, if I happen to not be here a few years from now or whatever that someone has it on
their radar that as soon as someone's available to pay for half that project, it's a that's a go. >> Well, as I think if we got the appropriation, we'd come running to this council like we need to do this now. Yeah. >> You know, even if we were behind on rates, I think we would say, "Look at this. We need to, you know, right
>> and we might have to make some. >> The longer we wait, the longer it takes, the more it's going to cost more it's going to cost anyways. >> They do like our project though. Um, they do like the critical infrastructure project. Um, you know, water is important. Everybody needs water. >> Yeah.
You're saying, Councilman Gund, >> do we >> The way I look at it, okay, we should be putting money away for this for the future. >> Yeah, we should
>> to go above and beyond a little bit more. Even if we don't know what our time frame is, no one's going to like an increase, but I think we have to do it. It's >> the only other option is we
put a filtering system in home. >> I mean, the incre the increase is going to happen, >> you know, once a product actually moves. It's just a matter of how noticeable of an impact
are we going to have, right? If we did small increases now, >> then a really large one when it comes time for everything to right be settled >> or we'll say medium increases and then it's still Yeah, it might be a large bump, but at least is it isn't going to
be as large as maybe the year prior, right? I mean, or Right. It's >> There were some water samples sent down to the state, weren't they? If I remember right, the guy uh that I talked about there was running the >> Oh, >> the mock system that
>> John Yeah. >> from SC. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Or he recommended that we should send it to him because that'd be a plus. That was bad. >> Okay. Well,
I don't know. You know, we know that it has to it's going to happen. It has to. Um, >> but you're basically got some paperwork in it now, don't you? >> I've applied the last few years. Yeah. Um, and we'll keep applying. And like I said, that's where like Emmer picked it
up. Kobashar and Smith all picked up our project. >> Did we have uh SE do design work yet? >> No. >> No. Okay. We're waiting on appropriations first. >> We want appropriations first. They can How many? They could do it pretty quick,
actually. Like four months or something. >> It's really quick. Yeah. Um, and the thing too is like we with that design work, even if we with appropriations, we still we would have cash on hand that we could handle that portion. >> We would want to make sure that we're actually moving forward with the
project. >> I wouldn't recommend doing the design until we know >> until we know, right? Correct. Correct. Okay. >> So, we're okay on sewer revenues, which is good. I mean, we're we're at least trending in the right space.
Um, >> yeah. And I would anticipate we would do this last increase and then we'd hold on sewer for a while and then maybe that's when if you do need to make adjustments on the water side. >> A little bit of a window. >> Yeah, >> that's a good call. I mean, I'm fine with the 10%. Uh, I think it's I think
we have to uh in order to plan appropriately for the future. And 10% on the water sounds like a lot, but it's it's not because what are we currently at? like a are we 69 through July? >> I have not I I I had not proposed any
changes to that unless you told us to. >> Okay. >> Then we stick with just a $2 a month fee instead. >> I think I think that sounds >> So would you rather just do the sewer the top one and then the $2? Okay. >> I think the two I think just to keep it simple and for everyone to understand
what it's for. Um, what are we at? 70. >> It works out to be 70 some bucks because there is going to be an increase in the test fee too, but that's by the state. We want to go over that. >> It's going to work out to be 7172 or something a month, I think, is what we
figured. >> So, our proposal is raising the water to 84 cents per 100 gallons. >> Correct. >> Um, and we're at like 75 >> 76 >> 76. Yeah. So, I mean, >> yeah. It's not 10% sounds worse than it
is, but it does add. I mean, overall 10% to the minimum. >> It's because it's a lower rate. The sewer five and 10% hits a lot harder. >> Correct. >> Correct. I mean, that's that's $2 and change or whatever, right? So, for sewer, >> but there will be, just so you are aware, the the test fee is going up, but
the state sets that. We don't have a choice. It's like tax. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Like, like anything. and they did a really good job of setting it so it works out to be an odd number if you can't divide it by 12. Trust me, it was it's maddening.
>> Okay, thank you. >> All right. Anything else on sewer andor water mark? >> Um I don't know what our number is me broke right now. So everyone
They're still wring it down. >> I don't know. I'd have to check with Monica. I mean, I don't think >> we haven't changed that fee in a while. >> Couple years. >> Couple years. Couple years ago, we did. >> Yeah, it was about >> We kind of went back and forth on that for a while. >> Is it about 50 now?
>> Um, and we only build that a couple times a year. >> So, >> okay. I mean, how much >> they pay more than the residents do? say, "Oh, yeah, they do. It's almost almost double." What's the uh revenue again on that one?
>> They don't have it. >> It's just lumped into the It's not that much. >> I say it can't be that much. >> No, >> I think that we raised the minimum now to what like 30 or 40. It used to be 20 and we're like, "Okay, look, we need to charge a flatter." We I mean
>> minimum. >> Well, and like there may be a lot of bulk water, but sometimes it's our own projects that we're using the water too and that's not charged necessarily because it's our project. Yeah. Okay. All right. >> How are we doing on
late payments on the water? Are we caught up on those water? >> You mean delinquencies? >> Yeah, I >> haven't heard anything. >> Do you know how delinquent? Have you looked at a delinquent report?
>> We'll do another shut off here. I can't say we ran that. >> Okay. >> Well, we have the same problem with the same people. >> Yeah. >> Um I just on the water though and sewer,
the mail has been atrocious. Um, we had somebody took 14 days from when they dropped it off at the post office to get to us and we are encouraging people to sign up for auto pay or come and drop it directly in our box because things are
getting clogged up down at the sorting facility and it's been a bear and we've even had that issue with some of our AP like payments and stuff like they're postmarked but they don't get there for two weeks and they're just going to the cities sometimes. I mean, it's >> Yeah. >> So, if you do talk to anybody, encourage
them if they're going to drop, don't drop it off at the post office. Just come and drop it in our box here. >> Yeah. >> Or auto pay. >> Or auto pay. >> Okay. Downtown.
EDA downtown. >> Well, we agreed to renew our facade program. >> Yep. That's in there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We already have what five if if that Rude Gems building if if they do
their full project. We're already into this about $5,000. >> Yeah, we're into it. Yep. >> Yeah. And he did sign the Yeah, he's good with that reimbursement at the first of the year. Um and so the big thing the big expense on this one is the facade and then the um contract for de
payment for the land. Okay. >> And then we only have I think we have like two years left on the silt sock contract. So just keep in mind in a couple years that is going to drop off. >> I think it's I think his last payment is like the beginning of I think. Yeah.
>> Um so just remember that's going to >> that'll go >> that revenue will come off. Um there's a good conversation I thought around the downtown revitalization. I mean we're going to hit a point where there's
maybe not any more facads to do for or just no one's going to take advantage of it. Right. >> I would say we are. >> I mean I we got to be hit we got to be getting close. I mean I could I could see us maybe doing a few projects you know right uh this year yet um or next
year rather my thought around you know the one thing we don't have is we don't have uh an EDA fund you know so when it would come time if the EDA wanted to purchase land real estate
we don't have the money today but do we think about um keeping that $20,000 going but putting it into a a different fund. Am I saying that right, Sarah? Right. >> Yeah. You would basically want to levy so that you um have cash available for,
you know, if you had a couple hundred thousand in a fund and you wanted to buy a property or something, you know. >> Yeah. If there's opportunity that really made sense or heck even if you know expanding this building, right? If the laundry mat becomes available or or the building next door, I mean that gives us
opportunity, you know, if we had a couple hundred thousand dollar right in there that we're just paying cash then it's done deal, right? It's already >> and that hurts. You know, eventually we have we're in the first fiveyear then we have an option to buy another fiveyear that would eventually once we pay for that land would eventually stop too.
>> Sure. >> So you could keep some of those funds. >> Keep some of those funds and actually start building a little bit you know as we as we think about big picture here, right? you know, not tomorrow, but years from now when opportunities arise. Um, that allows for us to control the narrative a little bit more or whatever
that future council might be doing. >> Well, that should help a little bit now that we got working sources. >> Well, right up to >> No, we can actually build >> out there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any more on EDA downtown herst?
>> All right. Swimming pool making some money. Well, Mark, do you want to talk about the goldplated filters now or >> later? They just gold. Yeah, I thought they >> I I think they're going to be gold. The
price you threw at me. >> So, we have uh So, we're anticipating some increase in uh revenue. Uh 426 swimming lessons. >> Yep. Um we we haven't um increasing swimming lesson fees in a couple years. Okay. Um,
I was not planning on doing the admission unless the council had a different thought >> or making more money on swimming lessons or on >> make more money on swimming lessons. >> I say increase swimming lessons. >> Um, part of the swimming lesson strategy too is though we really push group
lessons. We get a lot of requests for individual. We don't make as much money on those. So, um, that's also the more why we did another session this year. So, I mean, because group lessons are what we make money on. >> Okay. And it's been good. I think the pool's
done pretty decent considering how much it's rained. I've been doing okay. >> Okay. I haven't heard a whole lot of complaining. >> We got a good staff. >> We got a really good staff down there. >> The I've been there the most this year than any other year
>> and all has been good. >> You had some big maintenance coming up though, right? >> Yeah, that's what he >> So, well, that's not in expenses though. That's in capital improvement, right? Yep. >> Um, anything else to be It doesn't look like there's anything really else that was
concerning about expenses. >> Um, we probably didn't mention this, but there is some public works salary in the pool, too. >> Yeah. See that? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Sure. Oh, salary >> because they have to get it ready. >> Salary in general is is well as that. >> Yep. But they do have prep to get it ready and, you know, maintain it and
stuff. But it's >> How long do they do the swimming lessons from? >> So, it's two weeks. So 10 days total. Okay. >> Um you get two rain days. Um >> so this is as soon as they open up, right? >> Like Yeah, we we start the week after we
open with some two so four two week sessions is what we did this year. >> Is that what your question is? >> Yeah. I was just wondering, you know, when and how long they >> Yeah, we always take the week of the fourth off because it's always a terrible week to get people. Um but yeah, they just group them and it's
either the first week right after we open or the second week depending on how the schedule is and it's two two and then we added another two in. >> So I take it there early morning so it doesn't >> conflict with and afternoon the open swimming lesson >> and afternoon.
>> They normally go 9 until noon I believe and then 4:30 to 6:30 or something. >> I don't get down in the afternoon. 6:15 maybe >> and they open up at 6:30
>> and they just go one week. >> Two weeks. Two weeks. >> Two weeks. >> Yep. >> And we open what day? >> What I'm looking for? >> The first Wednesday of the >> Maybe they could do this and have it done before they actually open up the pool. >> Swimming lessons. >> Yeah.
>> That water is way too cold early in the season. >> Yeah. I I don't know. Yeah. >> Well, we can't get the staffing, >> right? We need the kids out of school to teach them. >> So where we're at now is we're lucky to get them to >> Yeah. And and this year, just so you all know, we're staying open a lot later
this year than we normally do. >> Normally, they're heading to school now. >> Well, because we were able to find enough staff. And so when Mark and I, we chatted about it and we're like, well, let's keep it open then as long as possible. There's one day next week we couldn't get enough staff that we have to close. But >> let's just weather tanks. Yeah. You
know, we might reconsider our decision. Um, but we had such a big staff this year and so we were able to >> That's good. It's good. So, do we have a closing date yet? >> It's August 30th. >> It's next Friday, right? >> August 31st is right now.
>> Oh, it's a week from Oh, the Sunday. Yeah, that's right. >> But if this weather tanks, we might revisit those long term. We're talking 69 for a high for a couple days. >> Yeah. Okay. can't get anybody there anyhow. >> But there's been times we've been closing at the 20th because we can't get
people. So, >> and the expense for the capital outlay, that's just us for the CIP. >> So, that's funding the CIP. And as you see, I have a note there. this is being underfunded because if you look at your CIP and what's on there, um we also have
this big what I call the big bad pool basin coming up. Um basically the bowl which we think is still got some life to it. >> Um but essentially we just we want to make sure you're aware that we have to do these
pool filters and then we have to do that basin at some point. I I don't know if it'll be in 28. That's why we just kept it. Um, do you guys have your CIP? >> I have it. Yeah. >> Um, and then if you look at pool cash, you know, we're at 268.
Those filters are going to take a hit. We don't have enough money to do the full bowl right now, you know, and >> the bowl is going to get pushed. >> The bowl is going to get pushed because we should really be funding that CIP closer to 55,000 a year and we've been
underfunding it for a few years now. So, >> and pool basin is like what a once every 20 years, >> 50. >> Yeah, it's a >> whatever. I mean, maybe it'll be more, but it's really never been. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> But it's been holding up very well the last few things that have changed. >> How we, you know, pressure off the cement they use for patching and the uh >> I hate to say it's >> we're going to hold it as long as we can. Um, and we did the coping and that
was supposed to help. >> The coping helped a lot doing that. You guys 150,000 whatever it was that they kept the water from getting down in there popping in. >> Okay. >> So, the filters on the changed on them.
>> What's that? >> They're just end of life. You can't get parts no more. We've rebade. We've >> How old are they? Tell me how old it is. >> Bigger early 80s. >> Yeah. When they did the cement, they rolled in the cement and people did
funny. So, >> so they're not like they're something you change like your furnace filter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it's been a while. You said it's been a while since we replaced them. >> I think early. >> The one thing that's not here and I think
>> I can't remember what I was planning. We do have to probably do u drain covers this year. I believe u it's not money, but it's going to be they're they're the 10,000. I don't I
can't tell you the number, but the Virginia Graham Baker are 15 years is up, I think, this year. >> Oh, >> and that's something to want to mess with. That's back in the news again. So, you know, >> yeah, >> sure. They're playing with that log. So
we need to adhere to what's >> So I would I guess at the end of the day I would we probably do need to look at some of the fee revenue and keep working that because our wages go up our you know >> heating goes up everything.
>> Oh, we're not making a lot of money. No, we should be able to make a little bit to for repairs. I mean, we jumped the fees for the swimming lessons this year, right? It went up. No, >> no, we haven't for two years. Okay. We just did the >> regular admission.
The last one we won a buck each. >> Yeah. >> So, it we try to kind of alternate it. >> Um I don't know. I mean, it sucks to pay more, but I'm all about if we need to
raise the fees for lessons and that's where I make money to offset the pool filters. >> Yeah. Yeah. I would say we do a buck or two, you know, buck on the shorter one too on the other one. >> Yeah. Because like I feel like I we
would pay 85 for lessons for two weeks. They're good lessons. It's small class sizes. It's in our backyard. Well, and I think we compared to I know um Emma and I did some checking a year or two ago and um we're not out of line.
>> No. >> What we charge like what you Jack Splash some of those you're paying. Yeah. Um and like you said it is convenience. Yeah. >> Do we know if Mora pays or charges for anything? >> I don't remember off I I just know we
weren't out of line what we were doing. >> I mean that'd be a comparable >> to look it up >> a comparable pool. You know they're a little bit bigger but Jeff and I Jeff pre-rant matches theirs. He him and I are always emailing every year about what we're paying our people or >> Sure. >> Um
>> I think we're pretty comparable. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean compared to like Jack Splash or there's another one that opened in Sartell and it's five I think 10 minute lessons or 15 minute lessons and it's $110 a week >> and then you get to drive there if you're you know.
>> Yeah. No, I think I think we have a pretty fair >> Yeah, we'd be willing to pay more for swimming lessons. >> Are we okay though keeping the admission or do you >> What do we have? Four and five right now. >> Five and six.
>> So five kids, six adult. >> Y >> last year. >> Last year without >> we didn't rate it this year. It was Yeah. Yeah. So, this would that's why we kind of try to alternate when we >> I would I would be okay keeping that
going. I keep keeping that going another year, but then raising the swimming lessons. >> Maybe we alternate every other year. I don't know. >> Yeah. Let's see where we're at for swimming and go from there. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Um let's see. Swimming pool. Fire, right? Am I right on that? Going to fire next. Yes. I mean, looks pretty clean.
changes, >> right? Zero 0% change overall. >> No, that's not right. Oh, yeah, it is. Our revenues went up 10. >> Revenue revenues went up 10. >> We adjusted our contracts a little bit to >> I mean, yeah, there's some fluctuations
in there, but at the end of the day, there's a I mean, that one is staying steady, so I can't can't complain about that. >> How how soon you want to replace that throw? We haven't got a CIP yet.
>> Yeah, we've been putting that up. >> So, we're Is it Am I reading this right? We're doing a $90,000 capital outlay for the budget, but it should beund I'm going to call it 115. >> So, if you go to your CIP to that far right number. >> Yeah,
>> that's what I'm looking at. Must have put a note in there. Yeah. 114 is what it's calling for. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, there's a possibility of us looking at >> But you have that fire truck that payback. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Um so essentially they're trying to replenish their cash. Um is that the last year? Is >> this the last year? I think it is. >> Yeah. >> So then if you were to maintain that, you would essentially then fund your CIP. Sure.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Should be done with the rest. We kept that there to fund money into the >> You had to refund your back and your >> the tanker. >> Yeah. You took cash that you wanted replenished.
>> All right. Any other questions on fire? >> All right. I would like to uh I don't know if I need to make a motion for a recess, but I would like to make a motion for a recess. >> Second. Thank you. Do we announce the time or anything? >> No. >> Okay.
>> Just whatever. >> Five five minutes or >> Yeah. >> See the guys are still working on the streets. I came in. >> No. >> No. I had to do that in jury duty
yesterday. >> All right. So, we will resume meeting where we left off. We just finished with fire fund moving into do we want to talk about the the levy increase as it is? >> Yes. And our capital, our CIP will help
dictate or lower that or or raise it if we need to, right? >> Yes. So, you essentially at a minimum on your CIP, we're having to fund projects or keep it at a certain level so we can cover what's scheduled. Um, generally
speaking, our CIP is underfunded. >> Sure. Um, so I I caution you when we do start hacking those levies, we're also hurting ourselves in subsequent years, right? So um, and then we can't touch the bond funds.
>> Okay. Uh, so we're at if if we did nothing else today, we're at 7.95%. >> Correct. >> What were we at last year? Was it five? >> Four or five? I thought we cut it in half the year from the year prior. It was lower.
>> Yeah, I think it was like four and a half. >> I think >> um >> so it was like 9% the in 23 we got it cut in half for 20 or sorry 24 cut in half for this year and now we're >> yep back up and I think we'll you know
we're okay. Just a couple things that we do not have the health insurance number um >> expected to go up. Some of them are really high, but I we did talk to the agent, you know, and he's he's thinking if it just were to stay the same, you know, 10% on average
is what they're seeing, you know, around that. Um, but we also may have to like change our deductibles and stuff. So, that, you know, we'll have to see what that all comes out to. But he said they do not they have everything submitted, but the state has to release it and that's not going to happen till October.
So we have 10% I think in there as a cushion and then we have our other insurance um you know we make the projections and and if we don't get it right we have to you know adjust for it next year is what we could do. Um and then you also have the new paid
family leave that's built in. Um >> Oh yeah that's a that's a doozy. It's a doozy when you're a serviceheavy >> Yeah. >> organization. >> Um >> workers comp. Are we waiting on that too? As far as insuranceances go,
>> workers comp, um we have numbers on that and that, like I said, that kind of um is where we compare those wages to where everybody works. So, no, that should be fine. Um property, I'm still waiting on property to come back. Um, I know we're going to get hit with our appraisals on
some of our buildings, but um, I've already talked to the league and I said, "Give me some different deductible options." Um, so we might have to look at, um, instead of running those lower deductibles that we have, we might have to look at a higher um, deductible and kind of based on some of the claims
we've had, like there's certain things, they're not even worth turning in anymore anyways. So, we're going to reevaluate that. So, I think we'll be okay there. Um, we already kind of planned we're going to have to make some changes. >> Do we want to run through
the CIP quick? >> Sure, we can. um you know just when I look when I'm looking at 25 and looking at 26 um you know and not 25 I
know is not over yet but you know for example we budgeted $10,000 for this year for Holdridge Park shelter improvements. Did we do $10,000 in Holdridge Park shelter improvements? >> We have not yet.
you know, or Norway or Norway Drive, Scout House improvements. I'm just wondering, you know, when we budgeted for these things, if we haven't done them, they just carry over to 26 and we've already budgeted the funds for it, right? And when we do those things, we get to
>> take carried over. Yep. So, we would move it over to the next line. And then what we do is we look at um what we plan to spend, any variations. That's why you have the starting fund, the new expenditures. We look at that. And then we would just plan if we budgeted for it already, it would already be there'd be
funds essentially in there. But we got to look at the overall CIP too. Sometimes things come over budget. Sometimes we, you know, we lose ground on some of those things. Prices go up. >> Okay. You know, we got Well, we got the microphones. We got that, you know,
figured out. Tablets are still on the 25. >> Yep. CIP you're doing the renovations. Okay. For city. So if we look at 26 just on this first page, city hall server >> that has to get done.
>> Has to get done. >> There is no way around it. We are barely surviving. >> Yep. Website redesign. That's like a legal thing. So, >> for by 2027, it needs to be ready to go. >> Um, it yes, there is an ADA accessibility requirement. We do not want to spend 5,000 meeting that, you
know, and redoing our site. We're going to just get a new site. >> We've been kind of putting that out last year. >> Yeah. Yep. >> And actually, Sarah got a good proposal where it spreads it out, which I think's just easier to manage that way, too. >> Okay.
>> We did the squad already. >> Squad, we already just pulled ahead. All right. 26. >> You're on streets now. >> The chipper on the bottom. Did you see that? >> They want to hop out of it.
So they're doing okay and then half of the month. >> No, we're going to when does everybody after you know it's a good idea but it's not
>> and so this would be buying a chipper for ourselves. >> Okay. So, we're looking used. >> Did you buy your tractor? >> We have not yet. I want to buy a lawnmower first and we have not been able to get one to try out, but they
assured us we would have one this month. >> We didn't do anything in the last month of June. >> Okay. So, you haven't got the mower yet? Haven't got the tractor yet, >> correct? >> Budgeted for it. So, we're good there. Next year, we're looking at the chipper.
>> Just the chipper. >> Okay. >> We moved a couple things over. That was added on. So, then we know when we move to the right. >> So, the chipper is 26 or 27. >> 26. >> Okay. score funds for that.
Okay. So on the bottom of that same page, Sarah, the change in equipment fund we're running is that an overage for 26 but a deficit. >> So
>> over the next several years. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um we had a couple things that uh went over um in the past the shed um there was something else too. So yeah we had a
little bit of a fluctuation there but that's why we look at it every year what the fund levels at what we haven't spent yet and then that's why you do that adjustments you recalculate it every year. >> Sure. >> But you can see what we do is we keep kicking >> keep deferring and kicking. So that's
why and it may look yeah they may be stacked up here in 27 28 well more may kick but maybe we see what the equipment's like at that point before we kick it. >> Okay. When we look up then at the streets plan, we have the seal coding
nominal industrial park expansion and that's only if >> y >> we get a um letter of intent. >> Correct. We have to have a a project to do that. I just keep it on there. So, you know, we probably should look at that number this next year again. Um but
essentially, we'd have to come up with that. We apply for that deed. >> Yep. Yeah. >> And so 1.8 would be on us or or it would be half of that. >> Would be half of that. >> So if you look at the bottom, I think I have a deed grant. >> Oh, yep. I see it. Y.
>> And then I did put in there just in case we get in a pickle or something, you know, that may be somewhere. I would look at maybe thisable trust, maybe borrow some cash if we need to because if we're going to get a $900,000 grant, we're going to find some money to if if
that's what we intend to do. And then the other kind of change into the streets fund just so you see um the franchise fee transfers. Those are basically that we're just receing that money into the streets CIP. Um and that's the Excel and East Central
franchise fees. They're tracking a little higher than we projected, which is what we hoped. You know, we didn't we didn't have a certain number until we got going. So that's good. That's some additional revenue source for projects, critical infrastructure projects in
that. And then there is still some small city assist that comes in, but we are advised not to budget for it because it's kind of hit or miss. We might get 20,000 every couple years. Um, but we put that
into the streets fund as well if we do get it. >> And you can do seal coding or something with it. for sealing mark,000. Where would it be? Wherever it needs it >> 40 is not going to get much. >> We'll probably end up spending that on
some other to make it work. You almost have 100,000. So we're way under maintenance. We just looked at a price of pen Norman Avenue North and that whole north side besides Penn Street to be done. That's 100,000 the mill and overlay that with
the project we figured out what it cost those little town homes are >> from a midnot garage. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Is that And that's city versus like an HOA. That's the actual Norman
>> or or the actual Norman. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> From fourth where the project clicks the highway. >> Okay. >> Build two layers and put two down. Replace the bad curb is 99,000. >> Okay. >> That came from Keep or
>> that's the bid price. >> Bid price took that square footage. >> Sure. >> So doing that instead of seal coating or that just an addition something else that needs to be done, right? I don't you know we're not even near the numbers so I don't know how we're going
to even fit it in if we want to write it out. >> When's the last time we did a seal co >> well seal last year we did or two years ago last year we did four time carpenter that was like almost 100
streets. >> Yeah. So 40 isn't much. >> Yeah. And I like we talked I don't have a problem with lumping. We just can't spend 100 100 unless we fund it and then we fund it. >> Right. Right. Right. >> You know if you lump a few years together that's not a big deal.
>> But I mean just looking forward you know we have 27 28 20,000 for that either. >> That's kind of close figure. It's a cost street. >> Yeah. It's a cost street that we can do with 20,000.
>> We should maybe look at a slurry on P Street. They make a slurry one road in town. >> Yeah. >> I don't think we can afford to do a mill overlay there. 100. >> Oh yeah, for sure.
>> Maybe a price we can get. No, it's not a seal. They actually did not use it. mixture of whatever. >> Okay. >> Maybe get a price on that. Extend the life of the road another 10, 15 years.
10 years. I >> was going to say, well, it could be another 10 >> 10 on the high end. Yeah. Okay. I think the streets is a problem. the drain tile for a we're going to put that off another year
to 2027 right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, they might not get 30. We don't know. You know, how it's going to go. So they might have to >> like they might push that into next season. >> Well, it they're just based on the
project. Hopefully it doesn't rain much more, but if it continues to monsoon rains, >> you know, that's the piece that is kind of separate. >> Sure. >> That isn't dug up yet. >> I wonder if there'd be opportunity if they did have to kick it down to 26 if
we could do Mariah Drive and get you know the economies of scale or whatever because they'd be doing the same thing in on both roads then right >> I think Mariah we could go behind the curve we don't have much road restoration
I think I got a I don't know that but there was too many small utilities behind >> 13 >> okay wasn't as bad everything buried the road. >> Okay.
>> Okay. I just don't want to, you know, for if we need all this money to do proper overlay and seal coatings, I'd want to wrap up some of these smaller things like Mariah Drive before we
start putting in much more capital for overlay and seal coating. And then we have what 28 we have right now. BS and Birch and Elm. >> They're not gonna happen. >> Who's ever who's ever >> with our credit or that they basically
>> would that be a similar project like we are doing now or is that just the road? >> Oh no, that would be like a north side. That would be >> okay. That' be a like a north side project. Okay. >> Like a big reconstruction. >> I think we should kill before we move. You know, that's the last of our ad. the one that's scheduled for 2030.
>> Yeah. >> I don't know why. >> Maybe >> you tell me where they >> I wonder why we did that. >> Maybe maybe the 28 CIPs get moved to like 2031. >> My guess is Balsome Birch and they were supposed to all be at 2030 because
>> we usually don't issue I usually say you got to have give me at least five years in between bond cycles with this big a project. >> So we could in So, >> so there's a possibility of yeah, those three and 28 to be moved to 2030
>> and so on, but then Hill and Hill and Badger might need to be moved up to like 28. >> I I still think that's a tough >> you but we'd have to bond for I would not recommend it. I would I would
>> We do better when we do big projects. um we can see kind of the you know we got we did a 20 year cycle now a 20-y year term it's helpful when we can see the we're this much through the cycle when we that we have a strategic plan to
manage our debt >> I mean if we go to 2030 with all those projects though we're at you know we're nearing you know nearing $10 million >> they're not all going to happen in 2030 you're going to get to that point and you're going to see what what are the worst ones and you're going to rep
prioritize again Okay. All right. Anything else on streets? I guess I I don't know. The only thing I would comment on is if they're doing work on that 13th Avenue next year, what can we do with having
Mariah Drive? But we'd have to we'd have to budget for that now though, right? like today's CIP. >> They should. Yeah. I don't Well, put a question mark by it because I don't know where we'd cut $80,000 from somewhere else, right?
>> And I don't know if 80 is is We got to take a look at what it is. Exactly. >> We'd have to do some design and if we can go behind the curve, it's not going to be 80. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That 80,000 can cover that. >> Well, I say the road.
>> Yeah. It could be less, but we don't, you know, could be it could be more. >> Okay. Then water. We're talking about the meters already, right? Is the water meters in here? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> 125.
>> And that would just be covered by the $2. We'd pay the cash for it out of the um which you should tell them which >> we got some transmitters. >> That's just a partial of them. >> That isn't all the meters. >> Well, we bought a bunch already.
>> We bought 300 of our funds. >> Then we bought 74 transmitters that a city north metro had or there were extra on the project. >> Same thing, >> but we paid >> 30 bucks less a piece, right? We paid 150. The current price 170 and they
offered them up to 120 otherwise they're going back to the we >> Okay. >> Um but no that that meters is we have to do the people that aren't under construction. We started over there. We need to the whole town. >> I didn't know if you're going to change
them all at one time. >> That's still kind of just in discussion. >> 21,000 to have them come in and do it. >> Yeah. Hey, we've thought about it because it is 21,000. >> It's really hard to coordinate. You gota do evenings, weekends. It's really hard
to coordinate with people. >> Get it done. Correct. >> Yeah. >> People just aren't as responsive anymore to things like that. And >> then the uh half ton truck, we already kicked that one down, didn't we,
>> to this year or is that >> We could That one is It could go to 27 where um the only reason we would next year if we would keep the truck for another truck like this summer
having a truck down or something that truckers would make 27 >> it's out of water so it's not going to affect our budget. >> You're talking to pick up. >> Yeah. what we're going to do with budget. >> So, this doesn't have anything to do with the the levy any of these funds.
>> We could move that to 27. >> Yeah, but that won't affect, >> but it doesn't affect anything though. >> I mean, you can push it down, but it's not going to affect the actual levy. >> I mean, same with water tower reconditioning. We're not doing that. I'm assuming in 26 or is that
>> That's a question for >> But does that just come out of the water? >> Is that a water fund? Yep. we >> that's where you have to charge rates accordingly to pay for these things. That's why the water sewer rates go up. >> I think we should do another I don't want to say a dive or a
inspection interior inspection and have a look at it again. Maybe we only have to do an exterior and just repaint it again. >> What's an inspection cost? So this water tower reconditioning is that for the in internal
>> I think that was a total refer inside and out. >> I believe that was everything and >> everybody seems to think our water tower is like we get a lot of sales calls on this one too, don't we? >> Because we're on a list for something, right? >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe we can get by with the
interior, you know, the day going and everything looks good again. Uh one thing I would like to look at It's too far. I think that's included as a mixer in there. We've never had one and just all the schooling and stuff. A mixer would be nice water.
>> Just gives you steadier more, you know, the water just turns better any years. But >> helps in the winter on ice build up your chlorine stays at a steadier. >> Okay. It actually wasn't bad. The last how many years we were using so much water.
We're down and up and down and up. Now we're down 40,000 gallons a day. >> So it's not used as much. >> Not quite as much. It does make a difference. We can tell. >> Yeah. >> That's why more bleeding in a mixer. I never was. >> So if we if we said water tower
reconditioning, you know, we'll say pending inspection and such, what would we need to do to the water? bill to help with that. >> No, you would >> come out of the fund. >> It would come out of the fund and we're
going to want we manage those fund balances. Um, you know, the >> I wouldn't put a water tower fee on your bill. Um, that's general maintenance. >> Sure. >> Should be just built in. So I yeah I mean well just to give you an idea 900 accounts buck them you you get roughly a
thousand bucks a month on a fee like a dollar or something fee on roughly 900 accounts. So >> So you'd like to have an inspection on that one more time? >> I think we should do another inspection. We know the outside starting to look rough. I mean it's
our city want to look nice. >> Yeah. We did the touch whatever year patch. >> I guess the answer is I don't worked about a couple hundred thousand in the utility fund. That's not unusual. Um you know and our cash balance is a little
over two million right now. So we have enough F and flow to handle that. Um you know if it gets down under that million dollar mark we got to look at that. see if something major come, you know, that's >> Yeah. So, we're looking at in and out inside and outside. This is for a new
one. >> No, that 400. >> No, that's just for the maintenance. >> You're looking at millions for a new one. >> I thought it was 2 million. >> Yeah, maybe >> instead of
like a ground, but the price comes with it is So, okay. Um, I mean, we've talked about it at the economic development committee. I mean, if we did something with painting with the water tower, you know, would we do
something different with, you know, partnering with a school or or something along those lines? Do you think they'd chip in at all? >> The school >> maybe. >> I I I just they just they're in more
dire budget position than we are. >> It's a good idea though lot to >> you know. Well, I mean if you put like something fully home of the Falcons or >> Oh, I you know spruce it up a little bit. >> I I know New Bower at one point wanted to paint the Falcon on the tower like but that was you know quite a few years
ago. like that. >> Yeah, there it is. Yeah, just do that. >> Is that the new logo? Yeah, you got the new one. Yeah, I know you had it done. So, >> they did a prototype. All these companies are talking to us to do it like >> Oh, I see.
>> Oh, that's what you're talking about. Sales calls. They're calling to do the project. >> May the best uh may the lowest bid win. >> I don't like the blue bottom on it. >> I love the blue bottom. >> They too much. I was they were talking about the doing the darker colors though
because then you don't see like the >> stuff the bottom looks old. >> It it hides it a lot better and so it doesn't >> This is a different sign lady, right? We don't have the same sign lady doing the water. >> Anyhow, Brandon,
>> I mean, I don't know how old I'm going to be around. >> Finishing some of these projects. >> I don't know. There's a lot of projects around here that aren't done. Yeah, unfortunately. >> Well, taking a dive in there after another inspection wouldn't hurt. It's a
robe now, actually. They they don't dive anymore. It's a machine. >> Can you just get a bid or something and bring it to the next meeting? >> Yeah, maybe we'll talk to engineers, get some ideas what we can do. >> I don't know if we'll have it in uh when
do we need to decide whether or not we want to take this and kick it down a year. not change nothing. You could you could >> it could just stay there. >> It could stay there and then but you got to still authorize the expenses. >> Sure. Okay. >> So, >> you don't we'll just know that next year we got to roll it.
>> Yeah. Well, just like the water treatment plant for 27 likely isn't going to be in 27. >> But if all of a sudden they come knocking me, we got 9 million. >> Sure. Yeah. >> That' be nice. Yes. >> Okay. City of Foley capital improvement plan. for sewer fund
just more meters. Okay, seems simple enough. >> You have one here for you have 27 here for Hill and Badger sewer improvements. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we had that. >> Wouldn't that go along with >> Yes, that would.
>> Okay. >> I I just don't think she got that. We just didn't get that. >> Okay. We push one too many. Yeah, because we won't do a 27. >> Well, and I know we so we try to update and I know that's we made some changes to we trying to update those figures more often because we've been caught so
many times um with you know the price has just gone up so much. So we'll make that. >> So nothing was done over 25, right? Or uh >> nothing. All we have is >> we got going right now. We're ripped up.
>> We're not doing a big project for a while. >> Well, >> we better find another way to pay for it. >> 2030 is the next big we'll call it >> street sewer projects >> or I'm going to go and protest. >> The next biggest project should be the
water treatment facility plant before we do any road work. And I still think the couple years in between like smaller things is what we need to focus on. >> I think the staffing would appreciate that too a bit you know
>> break >> we have the 50,000 this year for sewer if I can. I'd like the line cottage grow sewer yet this year but struggling on a second bid. Um I some information yesterday trying to
get that. So, we might see that yet this fall. >> Okay. >> That was 30,000. >> Is that the one we didn't do when we did the street? >> Okay. Uh moving in the pool.
Just the pool filter replacement. Now, this would affect the levy. No, >> it's going to come out of cash. So, the levy portion that 20,000 that I said is underfunded. >> Yep. >> This will decrease the cash. >> Okay.
>> Because we're obviously spending, you know, they're going 2 68 I think roughly. Um, and then what we want to do is, you know, levy some dollars back to watch that cash because the full bas
10 20,000 that's not a big deal on okay >> I mean >> special revenue >> and you want to object on that >> well the filter system >> it's just the beginning parts are yeah they are obsolet people going right to the factory you
know >> okay all Fire the bombader. >> You have a >> I say why do you have 25 and 26 there? >> Cut it last year. We didn't think we were going to get it. >> That's right. We did cut it last way to
cut it. >> But we got it. >> No, we haven't got it yet. >> Oh, are you still looking for one? >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, what's the 25 and 26 then? We budgeted. We had 100,000 budgeted. >> Okay. >> So, we figured no chance of finding one
last year. >> All right. >> They're hard to come by. We just >> We levied for 75 and then levied for the rest. >> Get it till this year. >> We bought tanker three. >> Y >> the tanker. Tinker three.
>> J. >> We did not. >> Okay. >> We're on the list with DNR. If we can get what they said, I'd be happy and be way under that price, but >> Okay. >> Whether we'll see it or not come winter, I don't know.
>> So, that'll stay in a 2026 budget now in the CIP. Yeah. >> And then, uh, parking lot that hasn't been done yet for this year. >> No, kind of waiting to see what Chris is going to Bird's going to do on Norman. That's a mill overlay and Okay. >> do like they did on theirs and add it on
to a project maybe. >> Okay. next year. >> It's not for a couple years, but I don't Is it going to last? >> We've already budgeted for it, so now it's just a matter of >> timing at this point. Finding time.
>> All right. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> That's what they did with the county shop out there. They put that on the road. >> They redid that. They had all Yeah, they had all those good prices, so they did the shop. Okay, we talked about so moving on to
the additional budget items for 26 in the next few years. >> That's just stuff that I I say nothing else. We already kind of talked about the overlays were kind of underfunded there on some of those milling overlays, additional sidewalk, additional play structures.
>> Yeah, it's just things that hey, if we had money, we would do. Y trails. I'd like to see I'd like to see the new public works maintenance shop sooner than later. >> I'd like to see them get out of their cave that they're in now.
>> Yeah, that's we've been talking that for years. demolition of old disposal plant. $82,000 I think it is >> from Lambero. >> I think it was
>> I just got it in the last couple week. I I had no idea what to expect. So I had Aaron who did the brows come know and I believe it was 80. I did not forward it on just thinking I'm >> and is it this is the one that's out by >> the old round building there that's
>> we took off we're we're cutting the insurance back I guess >> we're just putting our liability on it but not putting the full replacement because they had it scheduled and the appraisal just went it's not worth $300,000
>> oh jeez $83,000 >> so we just kept we just requested to keep liability, you know, just to cover ourselves. >> So, what exactly? They take the building down, fill it in. >> Yeah, they take it. That's including grinding, hauling it out, taking the
There's basement under over half that and all the walls of 12 in. So, >> have you uh come up with a natural plan for a new office? You're going to include it in one of the shops or go separate?
>> Probably go separate just for building code reasons. >> Okay. >> But once we go a little more on funding, we can do more. >> Have you come up with anything to get a close figure? >> We had I see a figure here a few years
ago. >> Oh, it was a rough >> Yeah. >> high like somebody estimated it, was it? >> Yeah. Uh well six would that come out of the just the water enterprise fund too then?
>> Y so then what happens is if like the waste water you can't you can do a loan and if you could do a PFA loan for like the water stuff too like our waste water >> would would the well number six help eliminate some of the water discoloration? >> No.
>> I say that we need the treatment plant for that treatment. It's the same aqua. >> Sure. >> So, I don't I would have a hard time saying it's going to help. >> I I would say no because the irons all come from the same people. >> Okay, that's good to know then.
>> And it's really not um how do I say the well is it could be an issue or usage is down, you know, but if we as we grow, that's where it's going to become an issue if all of a sudden you get another couple high water users and it's not a pressing issue as we currently run right
now. Is that correct? Is the discoloration um more prevalent in some areas of town than others? >> Yes, has to be because I don't have I've never had I've never had discoloration. >> But I've told Sarah before like my aunt
and uncle will call me out there just to show me their water. >> So I just don't know if it was like in one general area or >> it seems to be just a couple places. It doesn't make sense for me at all. Well, the age of the home matter at all or age of ice
>> campa is one >> out there in that area. >> And then you get down by who's down in I can't remember names but right down in the near the nursing home bed.
>> I I almost wonder if it's partly like settling in certain places then it gets pushed, you know, like depending on usage. I I don't know because it is like it just doesn't make sense and then sometimes they're not even flushing and they're getting hit. >> I've never seen anything like it coming out of my pot. >> Yeah. >> I've never had I live in Camp Meadows.
I've never had discarded water. >> Yeah. You talked to Mike Casner. I have a water soft two blocks a block away. >> Mike, I don't know if a water softener matters, but >> I mean I have a water softener. >> Some people got this. I don't know if that's what they say. They got to change
all the filters that when this happens. It's that bad. I don't know. >> I don't know what seems to be the problem was that >> so it's just you know it's just >> if my hair sits >> I get a discoloration but that's over
time. I don't have any now but uh first avenue she was complaining about the color of her water. So that's weird >> because I would have seen it. >> That is weird. I've been I've been there 12 years. I've I've never noticed
anything weird about the water. >> And I drink it every day. >> When I've seen it, it's the color of this >> unit right here. That's the color of the water. >> Weird. >> Is that black? >> Yeah, that's what you showed me. Yeah, the maganese. >> Is that the maganese from the me?
>> Yeah. But but we get the brown is the iron. Yeah, >> brown is the iron. Yeah, this is black. Black. >> Yeah, that's the maganese. Well, I'd love a water treatment plant tomorrow, but I don't think anyone's going to offer that. >> Buy a Powerball ticket maybe.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Good donor in the city. >> Are you going to donate then for the water treatment plant? >> Negative. >> Say, write it down. Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, we we know that we need a water treatment facility plant. We know that it costs a lot of money.
We're going to wait hopefully and get maybe um some appropriations to pay for up to half ideally. Uh but if if we're truly having I mean it's hard to say it's something that's very hit or miss. Uh maybe it needs to be done sooner rather
than later and we just I mean I don't know. That's wild. Okay. or a storage out back >> like a storage shed. >> Put a detach garage. It's probably going
to be cheaper and put a lean to on it someday. >> And then the roof. Was that in the CIP? >> That's listed. I think it's 100 grand in there. >> Yeah, we up that to 100 couple years. >> I say we moved it, didn't we? >> Couple years away.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Unless also we see the parking lot not going to happen till 28 or something like that. >> Well, then we bump that one up. >> We could, you know, swap them or I mean you essentially have there's essentially
nothing, right? >> For for five I mean besides the J5 there's nothing in for trucks are about every 5 years or so. So just got one >> 400 something,000 on a truck. So that's why >> next >> how critical is that uh exhaust
ventilation system >> if I had my way we would have done it 10 15 20 years ago you know >> that wasn't in the plan when they built that >> no can't believe that yeah >> we've tried grants on it we gave up on that because our fire hall is not used
enough >> they want you know the cities that have um city hall fire hall township halls whatever things like that. >> Now, we've looked at, you know, maybe we do this two lanes or something and make
system big enough to upgrade. >> Country can you incorporate that when it comes to replacing the roof? >> You wouldn't go through the roof. >> No. >> So, you don't you don't have to worry about >> You don't go up, you go out. >> Okay. Has a power fan on it.
>> Yeah. Makes sense. I will say the trucks are the diesel's bad on everything, but >> pretty heavy. >> They aren't they're cleaner burning now than they were before. Terrible. >> But that's what's getting, you know,
that exhaust from the vehicles is getting on the guys turnout gear and that's what they're putting on. Then they're going home and grabbing the kids. And >> yeah, >> how it comes off there easy, but it doesn't come off the metal. Trust me,
>> we went over the fee schedule. I don't know if there was only just those few. >> Yeah, fe that matter of the water and sewer. Um, >> okay. What do you I guess I just need to know if we're comfortable moving ahead with what we have. >> So, right. So, we didn't really change
anything. No, >> we're still So, we're still at the point 7.95. Uh, and we're usually ahead of the game, right? We don't even know what surrounding cities are, most of them yet. >> Usually, yeah, we haven't seen >> and we don't have to decision on this until when? >> We will.
>> That's like where it's official. >> September 2nd, I will put the preliminary. Yep. You can go down from there, but you can't go up, right? So, if you're >> Well, yeah. If you're concerned about if we should go, you know, extra 10 here or we should we should go to the higher number and then bring it down.
>> I have I saw no reason for us to go up. I didn't see anything in there that we would need to increase. I mean besides the things that are in the if anything does anything with fire does that change the levy? >> Fire is a levied fund. >> Okay.
>> Um I mean it does have cash so it's a special revenue fund so it has cash, you know. Okay. >> The health insurance costs won't really be final. >> We won't get those toward the end of the year. >> October. >> Okay. >> Yep. And like I said, they they kind of roughly think 10%, but that's with no
like it could we still could change our deductible on things, too. >> We already factored that in, right? >> Yep. That's in. >> So, if it ends up being less, then we would then that would essentially work. >> And remember, you get the the employer and employee, you know, they they um each have to pick up their portion. >> Sure.
Um, and then the paid family leave is factored in. Um, >> we did the recommended insurance increase, you know, the league insurance stuff. So, >> I don't think we would go too crazy in that. I don't think so. But
>> So, if we had to raise our living where how low can we go to still keep it comfortable? I mean, not low. How high can we go? Keep it low enough. say we can't get I mean can't get too much lower. We're hardly able to fund
the things that we have to take care of >> increase >> but how low can we keep that makes sense a low increase? >> I mean what uh just ballpark what is $10,000 due to the levy? I mean just car just from a percent standpoint.
>> Sure because that's was my only question. If you wanted that 10,000 add it back in as a part time. >> That's a not goal. You look at 8.5 8.6. >> I screwed up that. Hold on. >> It's false. It's not false.
Dang it. I thought >> undo. Undo. >> That's what I'm gonna have to do, I think. Undo again. There we go. Okay. So, let's try Let's just try here. >> There we go. >> Okay. So, raises it a
decent amount. a little less than a percent. >> Yeah, >> and that's the increase from last year to this year. So, that's that the dollars were going up. That's the change. Um, and then I I don't know if I mentioned in the memo. I think we did. We don't have a lot of our new
construction on yet because it takes, you know, there's always a lag. So, some of that will help like in subsequent years. Just this year, we don't have a ton of new construction.
So, we could say about about $15,000 is what would would be a 1% increase. >> Play with that a little bit if you want. >> 13. Is that >> Yeah, it's 15. >> Yeah, I think you're right.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> About 15 14 and a half. Um, do we have to have the like let's say we just let's say we just want to throw 15,000 in there just to have the buffer so we can go backwards.
>> That's not hard to do. I mean, we just I would just change that operating and then it would roll into the general fund would actually just go up 15,000 and then you could bring it back if you want to. I mean, I don't know what I don't know what we do. If you're just if you're
$15,000 doesn't get you very much of anything. >> Um, if you're uncertain, I just encourage you to do the higher of the two because you can always back it down, but you can't go up, >> right? >> Um, I'd rather have a buffer, I guess. Is that intended for the part-time?
>> Could be. I mean, I don't know. >> We got a lot of things. >> I mean, the the street projects and all that, that's all concerning. I mean, >> we continue to underfund that.
So then maybe what you need to think about is if you are increasing it, you know, what what's the general consensus do you think of uh your constituents, you know, do they would they be increase it for this but not this? You know, maybe that's how you look at it, too,
>> right? I mean, we talk about, you know, water, >> everyone wants better water, but no one wants to pay for, right? Doing what needs to be done to >> to take care of. Everyone wants better streets. pay to make the streets better. >> Yeah. But but also too, you do the
constituents, you know, is it police? Is it um streets? Is it, you know, what what do they want to, you know, if you're going to that's what you got, that's what they're going to ask you. But we went up a percent because we wanted to add it for this and and that's what the you know the question is going
to be. >> So this is the the preliminary is September 1st. >> September 2nd. >> September 2nd. >> Yep. and then we just can't go up anymore at that point. >> So the preliminary is what goes out on those pre the proposed statements that everybody gets.
>> Okay. >> So you get a ga good gauge on everybody gets their tax statements and then you either hear from them or you don't you know >> um but they're going to get you know their school, their county, their city, all of it. >> And the school isn't even the school
referendum isn't even on there yet right be first. >> I am not sure the timing of that. I think it's on. Well, no, because I think our proposal came out with it. >> Did it? >> Yeah, >> it might. >> Yeah, it is. It is on there already because I >> I think they have their budget. >> It's already on there.
>> Yep. >> I mean, I'm fine leaving the 15,000 off of there, too. I, you know, obviously the best we can do to keep it minimal. They're still under double digits, >> but but knowing that we continue to underfund what needs to happen through
in our city >> and then something happens and we have to we kick it down the road and we pay more for it later. Um >> I can tell you what I'm hearing from numerous people. They don't want us to
be stupid. They don't mind the problems we have. They know that has to be taken care of. Many of them are homeowners. They know you have to take care of your roof or your leaky basement, but they
don't want to hear that we're wasting money on hoots and giggles. They want it to be what we need for a while. >> I did not see any hoots and giggles here having things set here. I can tell you
when they hear what gets said here sometimes, and not to pick on you Brandon, but that theater's generated a hell of a lot of complaints. >> Um,
>> and it was just an idea. It wasn't a >> But those are the things they're pissed about. >> Heard a lot, but I was going to say I received multiple messages very much in favor for it and I've not heard one message about it being not a good idea.
Um but uh those are what we call pipe dreams. >> Um >> and I we're not going to we're not going to take out a loan to buy something. >> I I know that. But they hear that
>> and it's in their pocketbook immediately. That's where they're thinking. >> Yeah. >> And it's tough, >> right? But when you when you do things like that, municipal anything, there's a feasibility study that would be done on making sure that would be profitable. >> What I told them,
>> they don't hear that piece. You're not hearing me, >> right? >> They hear you saying it's not going to happen. >> I know it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They hear what you're saying and they immediately think this is what's going
to happen. have it. That's a trouble. They don't think >> but we have to worry about them. >> I know. I know. >> I mean, I'd take a municipal liquor store over anything. >> I would put them there.
>> Mr. Mayor, can I please advocate for the 10,000 for the part-time account? Our numbers are increasing. We've had last weekend alone, we had three domestics in just one weekend. So, I mean, that's increasing. We had thefts and burglaries are increasing.
>> I mean, I we need the coverage and we're at a point where myself for sure is over on comp and vacation and so is a lot of my other part- timerrs and right now I'm working on the schedule for October through December and I'm having to my
vacation days that I want off I'm not going to get off because I can't find somebody to work. >> Sure. >> So, we need that extra money in there. I mean, I know Mark's over too on his comp time for his guys and him, >> but we're going to do that.
>> Yeah. >> Right. >> And so, >> so we need that 10,000, >> right? >> Well, I don't want you to lose it. You've earned it. You know,
>> goal and whatever time. I can't leave the goal. which is exactly why I would like to major >> and it is just exhausting >> as far as the police officer goes.
>> You reduced it $10,000. >> It wasn't the original request. >> Okay. to reduce she >> and it's something we hadn't already had. >> We did have it a couple years ago. >> Yeah, it's in there now for that 70,000 but then with the increase of wage
>> it went up to 75. >> Okay. >> And we don't have that position though. I mean it's in the budget but it's not filled currently because >> um individual that we were going to ask to have it she or they stated they didn't want it.
>> Right. So, >> so, oh yeah, I'm fine with that. >> Yeah, >> I'm fine keeping the 15 in there just to I mean, if we need to scale back five to meet the 10 and it narrows our budget down a little bit more or levy down, >> great. And we'll find out more concrete
insurance numbers, we'll find out more >> um you know, as we as the next few weeks go by, we can hopefully see that even get >> Yeah. And I think that is something that um just to think about is is what is our
long-term we keep talking about the same problem with our staffing and but we're not you know what I mean and I I understand we all understand here that that the budget numbers aren't working out but >> then what else are we going to do is there something else >> you know that >> yeah I mean we've had a strained budget
for again better part of two decades >> building moratorum no development nothing happening in our town uh but everything else keeps going up. We're putting off projects. We're putting off hiring. Um but at the same time
we dare actually pay for it. So um >> then maybe the 15 is what we keep in there and then but the bigger question is yes what's how is this going to work and you know what are we are we are we
going to be a small city >> you know trying to be in the big world or are we going to recognize what we need to be you know that's that's kind of where we're at. I think this our city is kind of on this cusp of a lot of big changes and we just, you know, we're still we're still staffed and funded
like a small city, but we have big problems. >> Y >> um I guess my feeling is where we are as a city, we are in a crappy place to have under
law enforcement. We are in a crux of people driving through. For one thing, we have people who can't afford housing,
and that means our law enforcement is going to be getting more and more problems. And domestics is one sign that
it's not working in fully for families. That's just one of the signs. >> Well, I don't think you can pinpoint it just here. You look around. It's everywhere. >> I'm saying look at >> it's everywhere.
>> You're not going to get away from it. >> Gary, look at where our town is. You got people driving through and generally you know who's on the highway that you don't want in your town? A drug dealer.
Like it or not, we got 25, we got 23, we have St. Cloud, we have Princeton growing. >> We are in sort of that sweet spot for bad people.
with the county and our city. >> I think we're doing the best we can. >> A a part-time officer, unfortunately, is not going to help with that. >> It will help. It ain't going to slow. >> Not won't even help a little bit. Um >> it'll allow vacations. >> Doesn't doesn't mean that we don't need it. But to fool yourself to think that
that would all solve the problem, you're you're very wrong. >> With police departments, I know. And it does help. It doesn't change. It helps. >> All that's doing is covering 24 hours >> also. >> Yeah. But we're all we're doing is
barely covering the day. >> Um >> we're we're just small staff for the city or you know what we have going on. We're just too small. That's just the reality of it. >> Well, it concerns me that a lot of the time that the department heads and other
people have that they're not able to take the time off. >> Oh, it's a big problem. failing you by not being able to have your time off. >> I mean, I've talked to you about it. I've talked to you about everybody. I said their hours are out of control. There's something I've mentioned it to I know I've mentioned almost all of you
because it is I've never seen it like this. >> How do we justify adding a police officer and not a public works person? >> I mean, we're if we're going to if we're going to do it right, >> they all need them. They all need >> I mean, what? Add 60,000 add another
$60,000 to the to the budget. set a goal and start working towards it. >> Yeah. >> You can't you can't budget though a a goal to hire somebody. I mean, you either add the $60,000 a year or you don't. You don't you don't add $10,000 this year and $10,000 next year to hire
somebody at $60,000 a year. If you're going to hire an employee, that's a bottom line expense, period. There is no >> there's no fluctuations. >> Okay? Go for it. Do it your way. >> I mean, that's ongoing and and that's what that's what you have to remember. It it's it is. Yep. It comes every year.
It's not like when I bought the lawn mower and I'm not going to buy the lawn mower this year, you know, it keeps revolving and and we keep people, you know, which is a really good thing. We actually do keep people. But then, yes, it turns out to these people. They've been here for a long time. They have, you know, 3, four weeks of vacation.
They can't take it because we just don't have the people to cover. But it I didn't mean to like it just >> it's just you need to recognize we do have it's the worst I have ever seen it in my 20 years here >> with banks that people have and not
being able take your time off. >> It's our whole society and I don't know how you're really going to correct it. >> I don't know. Mr. Trump is making some improvement cuz he's fallen he's falling in that regard and I think there's a
whole lot of changes that happened in DC >> which is a big criminal. You think it's bad criminal here go out there if we have no big projects. Will that allow for public works to be able to take >> time off this next year?
>> I just don't want to get any snow either. >> Yeah. All right. And then yeah, we just got to put some gates around the city. So then the cable >> I mean if we get if we need to add a public works person to allow for not even just time off but workload
whatever it might be and we need to hire a police officer to help with the increased year-over-year calls. >> I don't need a person. I'll tell you that right now. >> We're working. Do you need a smarter fulltime person? >> But maybe we have to bump that a little
bit more. >> A full-time person is my dream, but I know with the taxes and how it costs the ultimate insurance and everything. I know it's not. That's why I'm saying just increase the part-time budget >> so I can get that permanent part-timer to get
>> I mean, yeah, full-timer would be my ultimate, but I know that can't happen. I mean, ideally, we continue to add rooftops and businesses to the city so we can actually start collecting tax dollars from more than the same 900 rooftops we have for the last 20 years. >> Correct. Well,
>> our problem is Yeah, we have Yep. That is the problem. >> The that is the root cause of the problem is >> expenses have gone up way >> whatever the reason was, we decided not to grow and now we're paying for it in a very bad way. Y
>> um so I mean take it or leave it. So, let's keep the $15,000 in there. It's a 8.98% levy. It's the same as two years ago. >> Um, and if we need to scale back 5,000 or whatever to keep the 10,000 in for
the part-time officer, great. I I mean, whether we add a full-time office, you know, if we have to wait until we get some more rooftops, great. Same with public works. if we have to wait till we get some more rooftops built in here and we start collecting more taxes and we just pull and we just pull the trigger and we hire another public works
>> and maybe next year uh you know that some of that new stuff will come on that might open up a window. Um the other thing the state um didn't do as many crazy things as it did a couple years ago you know with those benefit things and all you know so maybe there won't be as much coming at us from that
standpoint. Um, you know, prices seem to have, you know, inflation has seemed to slow down a little bit. Maybe that, you know, that's the time to do it then. >> Yeah. All right. So, we agreed. Leave Olivia at 898. >> 898. Okay.
>> Y >> Okay. Moving on to other business. Goose hunting. Who wants to go goose hunting? What's >> the county wants to hunt geese on their ponds? They're maybe in you. Mark and Katie and I are just concerned about
telling them no because we've told other everybody else no that wants to hunt in town. So we want you guys to make that decision. >> The county guys from the county or >> we don't allow hunting in the city limits. >> What what ponds?
>> Sorry. The one right by the highway. Oh >> yeah. Well, there's one behind. >> Well, yeah, they're to the north. I've seen people hunting by the lagoons >> that we do. We That's part of our permit to get rid of the geese that it messes with our >> Got it.
>> But that's the only hunting we allowed like um Drowski requested to hunt. Wasn't there somebody else? >> Maple Drive. >> Go Maple Drive in the swamp. We've always said no because there's no hunting in the city limits. We only allow the
lagoon hunting for our permit purposes. So, provided a plan other way to do it. I know I had to do it at night to get the deer out of the park. So, how do we know what they
would do? >> I think they would do it like we do ours and make a schedule, right? Potentially. >> So, it's just a yay or nay if you're we just didn't, you know, we contradict. We don't want to we want to make sure if we say yes. It's pretty well regulated now,
but you just got more people that want to use it. Is that it? >> No, this is a new location. >> How about the county highway shop? >> Oh, boys want to go hunting. >> I don't know. >> I think it's just kind of more of an
annoyance right now there, you know, probably because it's been so wet. >> But should the county take care of that? No, it's in our city limits. Gary, >> yeah, >> we have an ordinance that prohibits hunting and we say no to other people. That's why we're like, what do we
>> can we permit it like they do for the pond? >> Well, the pond is because the goose poop messes with our our treatment. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's kind of a >> This is just >> That's true. >> Just annoying birds. >> I don't think it messes with anything
with our treatment, does it? It's just annoying birds. >> Okay. And that's what the county they just want to hunt them, >> right? >> I I'm not against what they want to do. I understand. I just >> Well, I mean, there's a reason why uh we have a permit to get rid of them on our
on our ponds, but out there. >> There was a reason we do it on our ponds and that's the only hunting we've allowed. >> Yeah. >> Whereas, if you allow them, then you're going to have >> Dumbroski, you're going to have golf course. They're going to come back and say, "Well, you allow them. Why can't I do it?" So, you're going to be opening
up a can of worms. >> Oh, yeah. Your hand say no. >> No. >> And now I understand they opened up the slug gun to rip. >> That's a no. As far as I'm concerned. >> Yeah, I didn't know that. >> Yeah. I Somebody told me that the other day.
>> No, no, no. >> No. Okay. >> I don't care. You're >> I I don't know. That's least of our problems. >> Yeah. >> Um three-way stop near Foley Public Schools.
>> Mark, >> this was brought up by that on Norman. Norman had the transportation about putting that three-way stop back into the >> fourth and Broadway block.
>> We did it in 2022. Um, it worked and it didn't work, >> right? >> So, it backed, you know, in the morning back cars up to the highway. >> Remember that Gary? >> Almost every
I drive it every day to get my mail. Yep. There's more traffic, but because of the way forward is right now, it's not >> I think this is for school nuisance driving >> school. This is related to school, >> right?
>> And yeah, I don't, >> you know, just pros and >> are we talking about just temporarily until >> like we did remember we had I think it was >> so just temporarily >> and you thought it helped Katie, >> but it backed up traffic. Yeah, it backed up traffic to the highway and
then we had to get out there and direct traffic and pray we didn't get hit. >> But yeah, there's pros and cons. And then you have people that forget how a stop sign works, too. So, I mean, but yet it did you go you stop then I mean it did keep it going until certain
extent when it got too far backed up. I can go either way. Yeah, it's kind of a >> put a roundabout in. >> Put a roundabout in. >> Roundabout up there. >> Yeah, let's do it. >> Oh, yeah. >> Another 150. >> I same thing. I just don't options.
>> So, we're just talking about a temporarily for this whatever the >> few weeks, months, whatever it might be. >> You just we just want to make sure you know what it is and what do you get. Was it a request from somebody or do >> school transportation requested it
verbally? >> They're just trying to plan for this, you know, with the construction. They're just trying to make options. >> Other option is we see how the first four days go and we could have stop signs brought in and put up.
I was going to say I'd rather see I'd rather see how it goes and if we need to if we need to react >> permission if all a sudden it it's a disaster up there we could put it in. I mean without >> I would I'd rather do that. >> Although we're going to have meeting that first day of school >> we can talk about it again.
>> If after the first whatever four days of school it seems like a an absolute disaster then throw them up. staff >> which creates a hazard department >> work recommendation. The plan is to have that intersection open before
>> Wednesday next week of Norman going towards 23 for in there it won't be complete will be open for house and then uh it might be millings they were going to build it they're worried when they turn to the sewer there it might be hard so
they will they assured us again today that they will have it very much better passable than it is now you know what it's like obviously Mhm. >> Try to make it more closure during the day, >> keep it open, evening
>> for open house. The school did put out posting to probably go north and to try to avoid that area too. So >> open fourth and Broadway by then. I don't get or not. Yeah, I do.
U Broadway might get mil in the next week. They got to get the mill here when they can, but that's not going to be any different on that rule because >> there's no black beh >> I have one more thing I could >> for other business.
>> Yeah, I just um wanted to check in. So, we're having some issues with people that are refusing to hard surface. Um expanding their driveways, widening it, but not hard surfacing. And you know, there it goes back to the parking code with you can do some different things on
the side, and then they want to, well, I want to hard service my driveway up to here, but then not the rest of the way because that's technically on the side of the house. My question for you is, are we going to enforce this hard servicing requirement or not? because I we kind of been
halfassing my church for a number of years like we kind of forget about that one. Don't worry about then we forget about you know at different councils whatever. How firm do you want to be on this hard servicing of driveways? >> Well, we really bent the rules the way it is and if they want to expand then
they should hard service it. >> No ifands or buts the whole thing. Not try to half and half it. Is it is our code to hard surface? >> Our code is to hard surface a driveway, but everybody finds a different interpretation in a different fight.
>> Um, and a driveway was there. It wasn't there. I'm not changing it. And yeah, it's >> it's that was a driveway. >> I mean, you know, one of the situations we have another one on the project, you know, now it's it's just it's coming becoming an ongoing issue. So, before I
get too far, I just want to make sure I understand where the council's position is. I made the ordinance so we wouldn't have this at the planning commission hard surface moving forward because at that time you were getting crushed
granite recycled all different things and and the uh driveways like Sarah said they are getting a little bit wider and pushing it out and it was also part of the trailer fiasco that we had to deal with. They'll hard surface it and be done with
it. >> I was I was afraid of that. You give them a little bit. >> Oh, yeah. It's for what? Boats, extra cars, campers, all those kinds of things. >> Your driveway is your driveway. >> Your driveway is your driveway. Like And then Well, no, that's not my driveway.
That's my parking surface. It's >> just madding. >> Park grass in the backyard. >> Yeah. So, people are coming up with all sorts of different ways >> with the situation now, Mark. They're saying, "Well, no, that's we our driveway is this long and that is
just not part of the driveway when it should be." >> But that has to be there, right? >> No, it can't be. It's got to be hard surface. >> All the Okay. I I get the sense that we're all
hard surface firm. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And now is the time to do it when we have a project in town. if people want to do it. >> Okay, that's all. I just I don't want to bring something to you and then all of a sudden, well, that's not that big of a
deal. Like, I don't want I I'm really getting tired of fighting with people about it. So, I just want to make sure we're clear. >> Oh. Um motion to adjurnn. >> Motion. >> Second. Go ahead. Made and seconded. Uh any further discussion? All in favor say
I. I. Post sign. Much carries. Me.