You ready? >> Yes. All right. Good afternoon. Welcome to the BoricAB meeting. It is Wednesday, June 17th at noon and we will start off with the pledge of allegiance.
Republic. >> All right, we will start off with a roll call. Um, we'll start down with >> John Dler. Rick Lowry, >> Beverly Milligan, >> Michelle Churnney, Tina Yell, Annie Ne,
>> Neil Matthysse, >> that works, huh? >> Jeff Agi won't be here. >> And we do have Joyce Sullivan missing today, correct? Um, I want to just take a moment and welcome our two new members.
>> Um, Bev, welcome. >> Thank you. Um maybe Bev I'm gonna have both of you just maybe give a quick back on your background and why you joined board CAB. >> Um okay so I'm going first. I I'm just assuming since you're looking at me I'm
going first. Um well it's truly an honor truly an honor to be on board CAB. I uh I've been involved in Bay Oaks virtually from the day that we bought uh Meerside which is immediately across the street from Bay Oaks and we've been I like to
think a good neighbor and a very strong supporter of Bay Oaks and I felt that it was a great time um in the evolution and post Ian recovery of Bay Oaks to be involved and um introduce some
transferable skills uh that I have from my professional life which was in accessibility for um uh charitable organizations, nonprofits but in broadcasting, television broadcasting uh through advocacy in television um in in
nonprofits and charitable organizations but also in my my work here as a volunteer on the island. I've been involved in the women's club. I'm involved in what's up FMB. I'm the president of Friends of the Moundhouse. um and anything really that goes on. We
really do try to be good neighbors both personally and through our company and uh soon to be hopefully Hotel Myers side. >> Welcome. We're glad to >> welcome. We're glad to have you, Tina. >> Hello. Um I'm Tina Yell. I live on Fort
Myers Beach. Um been going to Bay Oaks for years with my kids. They've done swim lessons, after school programs, uh, Beach Elementary. Um, also I'm involved with the shrimp festival planning. Um, I don't know what else to say.
>> That's great. Good. >> The shrimp festival. Lots of topics of discussion. >> Michelle, can I just one Sorry to interrupt. Um, on Joyce Sullivan, was that an excused absence or unexcused? >> Just for the record, >> it was an excused. >> Okay. Yeah, just to just for
clarification for the record. Yes, she has an excused absence. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> All right. Do we have any public comment out there? >> I'm going to take that as a no. All right. >> We actually have one public out here, though. It's We do
>> unusual for us. Thank you. >> Uh Howie Howie could not make it today. >> Uh all right. The first on the next on the agenda, we have the approval of the minutes from Wednesday, April 15th.
Do I have a motion to approve? >> I'll make that motion. >> Do I have a second? I >> think we have a few people. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I
>> All right. Um, we're going to go on to old business. Um, do we have anything that we need to review? I was going to review the um, FOB system, but um, from the last
minutes, but I see that it is updated on the new poor gap stuff. So, I'll wait till then on that. All right, then we'll move on to new business. Um, the first one I want to talk about is the um, strategic planning that we started in the last meeting. Um,
we I sent out through actually I put together a layout of the feedback that we wanted from each of the members here and staff sent it out and then your responses came back to them. I thank three of the members for getting us
their feedback. It was phenomenal. Um, if you read the or listened to the council meeting this week, I'm actually highlighted a lot of those. So in your packet you have um the feedback that came from the three. We have two new
members. So I would like to ask that the rest of the members also um get your input and get it back to staff so that we can again summarize it back to here. Uh John, as you can see, gave a lot of
input um in on the pool. Joy gave a lot of ideas on different landscaping and different items. Um, I'll take a moment from the strategic planning, from the feedback that came Oops. from the
feedback that we um we got out of that meeting when I went in front of council and brought and remember one of my my passions of being on this committee is there's no politics. You know, we have the left, we have the right. I don't
believe in this, I don't believe in that. Everybody in this island wants Bay Oaks back and when uh we gave the update of the ideas that came back through this group and that's the difference staff brings the ideas of what they need what at Borcap we're the ones out in the
community people are approaching us daily what they want to see what changes we want how we want to vision and the feedback after giving that council update has been unbelievable.
Um, I've already, we're going to talk about the FOB system, uh, here in a little bit. Um, and how can I help? I want to volunteer to do this. I want to get this fixed. It's been unbelievable. So, I just want to thank the community and I'm so excited about the momentum
that we have going with this group to keep the changes coming. So, hats off to everybody because we're making some noise. >> Michelle, and I want to thank you for coming to council. It's the best way to stay in front of us and you guys do
great work. So, thank you for that. >> Great. And >> and I and I would encourage Sorry, I think we're close there. I would encourage when you're talking to the people or any um to come and speak at public comment to to put it on the record at what they what they want. Um you know, we have some tangible things
we can look at then either send an email to you or come speak at the the committee. Otherwise, it's just people talk to me, you know, and and that's it holds a lot more weight when they're on record. Um, or can send an email saying, "Hey, this is what we'd like to do or this is what I'd like to volunteer
with." So, just just an FYI, if we can get it, you know, more so on the record is is nice, then we can compile a list um a little bit more. But, yeah, I mean, like you said, I'm always I'm out in the community a lot, too, and I I get the emails not only about this, but everything else. So,
>> well, and I have I've always tried to manage that. you look for a pattern. I mean, because you can have an incident and you can have a reaction. We want to look for a pattern. One of the challenges we have on this committee is you get feedback, we get feedback, we can't talk to each other. So, if we have
this document that we're working off of, which our focus again we talked about is increasing revenue, um you know, expanding programs, improving the facilities, build sponsorships, promoting um Bay Oaks. We need to
channel that all through back to staff and then they've got to get it back to us because we've we have that challenge that we can't talk to each other. So please I as much as when we get feedback keep it on this form get it back in we can review it when we come back in here
because we can't talk to each other. On the flip side if Neil um if and Jeff when you guys get feedback if you can please help get it back to us so we can look for the patterns and try to prioritize things. So >> yeah, and that's kind of what we do on this the staff leazison on report and uh
any questions that we have. So that's what this advisory board's for. >> Um great. >> I was actually I was kind of glad that we waited until we got some information from you know John here because to move forward with my ideas for the pool. I was kind of glad to hear some of his
information. So I think we should kind of discuss some of the ideas that have already come up. The three ideas that you guys have given today to start going through that so that we can give our positions based on what we've already discussed today. I think it's a great idea. So >> um I think Rick we can absolutely do
that. Um did we have um I was we can do two things. we can um have John go through the pool today and then we will give an opportunity for the um other four items to be filled back in from the other members. Um did you give pool feedback Rick on anything you think?
>> No, but after you know reading his I realized that I should do more research and that's why I'm saying it kind of gave me an idea to dig a little deeper like the depth of the pool for instance. After doing more research on I realized that the depth of the pool is way more important being deeper than shallower
and that the lifeguard training that's involved between the shallow and the deep is very different too. So being seeing both of them written out in what he explained and what they explained and then doing my research I was able to determine that my idea is that the pool needs to either stay the same depth or
go deeper. So there's a lot of things I learned from, you know, reading his information and being able to do my own research and being able to figure out what my recommendations are from there. So I'm actually glad that I waited to get those recommendations from him before I actually started to do my research. So
>> yeah, and we took all of those um because we've been having uh bi-weekly meetings with them. Um they should have a 30% design by middle of July so it's ready for the first meeting. So all those suggestions that you gave, we passed
along to them already. So they're starting the design process currently. Excuse me. Currently. >> All right. So everything that John gave and then what we've had on our committee list has been fed back to them. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Um John, do you want to
add anything from the pool standpoint? You had the majority of the feedback and got the experience. It was more than thorough, I think. And it was further than I I felt like it was a little bit stepping on toes, but I wanted to go that far in a first like in
a first touch. Um, and I could go on for about two more weeks about, you know, what else we could do, but what what I tried to cover is starts with my experience as a lap swimmer there.
And then um I try to get rid of all that all of that thinking and take it back to what tank of water serves the most. And going shallower
in the moment when you're talking about the budget we have today. It makes so much sense, but it's not going to be used. Those are going to be ideal thought plans. Um, I don't think we're going to be building the next Caesar's
Day Club. Um, and getting into the social aspects of of how a pool could be used. That's not my wheelhouse and it's not my intent, especially with the municipal pool. Um, I could I could hit about 30
soap boxes now and I'm going to be really careful, but we're almost four years into not one child getting a swimming lesson on this island. And without that pool, I mean, I I've been involved as a
I've been deposed after a child has drowned and not at a pool that I was at, but as an expert witness. And things like pool depth, things like pool availability, things like pool hours, things like pool offerings, they come up
in those cases. like everything goes to the general. Is everybody making a reasonable effort to make something great? A pool's got to be a place to provide kids to learn how to swim. And we have a very small family
population, but we as far as full-time residents, but we do not have a small family population because of all of the grandkids, all of the kids, all of their friends that come with to trips. Um,
those were the people at the pool that annoyed the heck out of me when I'm trying to just get my swim in. But I'm smiling at the same time because I'm still a 10-year-old when I'm in the pool. and all that stuff needs to be provided. The the practical things um
just lifeguard training would have to go off the island to train to use the pool on the island. That's not just a drive. That's a cost. That's a cost of organization. That's a cost of time. That's a cost of actual cost. Um we have
>> So, let me jump in there because that's what I learned from Jeff. That's where we recommend um we don't want the pool as deep so we would not have the right life as many lifeguards. Can you is that what he's >> Yeah. I mean before before Ian we we
can't do our training in our pool. It's just too shallow. So, we'd have to find we'd either have to go to FGCU for the day, um, which takes staff time, and quite frankly, depending on what happens with the budget, we may not have that staff time to allow them to go do that.
And we're going to try to do it beforehand, but we'll we'll continue to be hiring people. So, we'd have to do that or find a Lee County pool or a Fort Myers pool, Cape Coral pool to go to. And then you're talking about staff time going there. sometimes, you know, hour
and a half to get off, hour and a half to get back on. It's just for for what we can do with that pool from what I hear from the engineers is the infrastructure is right below it. So, you'd have to redo underneath the pool, too. And we have limited funds for what
we want to do. I mean, it sounds like a lot, but once we start to dig into what all the ideas are, um, I just don't know that we can go deeper. Um, >> oh no. I actually thought when I when I did my tour with you that with the depth
we're at right now that we have to have a higher level certification of lifeguards. >> Correct. >> It's 4 in 4 in uh 4 in off from the shallow water certification. Yeah. >> From what I read, according to guidelines on a municipal pool, you
still have to have a deep water license to be a lifeguard. Did you check with your lawyer on that one? Do you know that? >> I I can weigh on. So So like the challenge we had before when we were open was um when you go over 5t deep, you have to have deep water lifeguard.
It's like a separate certification that the Red Cross provides. So there's like the the main lifeguard certification that's kind of like a another specialty certification on top of it. >> Isn't that the normal certification, the deep water one? The only ones that get shallow water are the ones who can't do the deep water because they're too weak
to do it. No, it's it's the it's really based on the facility, you know, the the needs of the depth of the water. So, um we have to have deep water because it's over 5T, but we can't do the deep water skills like deep water, um spinal, just
a lot of the rescues. You've got to be able to go down deeper than 5T to perform those rescues, just the training even. And so, that's been the issue is like we have to go off island to a pool that's deep enough to do that, to get that certification. and we can't do it at our own facility.
>> I will clarify that with uh with our attorneys, either the liability attorneys or >> Yeah, because I looked at the training and the training is very very different. I mean, you only have to swim 150 yards for the short water training. That's 300 yards for the deep water training. I mean, if I'm in a municipal pool, I'm
kind of expecting that the lifeguards there are deep water trained. So, I'm a little concerned about that altogether. Even if you don't change the depth of the pool or you do change the depth of the pool, I would expect that all of them would be deep water trained because the certification is different and there's different training involved in
it. It's not just the training in the water, it's the training out of the water. So, >> yeah. And we'll we'll do um we're obviously going to go with with the um the regulations that we need for the pool. We're not going to I'm not saying we're just going to do well I I'm
going to check I'm going to do my due diligence a little bit more on on the lifeguard situation, but but uh it it makes more sense if if we can do the shallow water one to go that route if that's what the recommendations and the the requirements are. I
>> I understand like we could do, you know, all sorts of training and we we do, but you know, we just have to find the time. And I'm not saying safety is the back burner at all, but we can only do what we can do. >> Yeah. And another component of the
future of that pool is renting it. And that is >> it is such good rent. If you are five feet or less,
I wouldn't bring my team here. >> We have to do dives. We have to do starts. We're going to do relay stuff. We're going to do all sorts of things. Um, a pool at the depth that it is right now is would get grandfathered in and be okay to go off of starting blocks.
Um, but if we make the pool shallower, you just shut off that potential rental market. They won't come. >> Can I ask a question? Um, would we be renting more for events or would it be more for like kids birthday parties? Oh,
the rental that I'm talking about would happen when schools are out and teams from the United States would come here and rent the pool to train in it. So, they would be two-hour blocks of training before the sun comes up, while
it's coming up, after it comes up. Um, during the December, January, you're probably talking about a hundred or more thousand dollar in rent. Gotcha. >> Which is a huge budget relief. >> Absolutely. Um but those teams will do
it without the the diving component. >> No, >> no, >> no. There wouldn't be a reason to go to a pool that you couldn't go off of starting blocks. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, there just wouldn't be. Um, and with it being a a 25 yard pool,
this is going to be one of the pools that they're training at because they're coming to train long course, which is 50 meter pools, >> which, you know, the island doesn't have. That's a that's a big that's a big um a big bonus pool that doesn't exist and
is only really in my thought pattern for the for the longer term. um they're going to be training at um GF Coast. They're going to be at one of the two Naples pools or a couple up in Fort Myers, one that the county runs that's
not too far away. Um but as far as getting back to the basics of what the pool serves, um any pool is great. The right pool could be tremendous for the town.
Um, I I I wouldn't want to build or design a pool that has any thought of bringing competitions here because it's it's not a practical location for a big meet because it's only a six lane, 25 yard pool. There's no place to warm up. You're not going to
attract anything other than um a small local swim meet, which this could already do. >> Um, >> so the rental potential is there. as it is right now. >> Yeah, I I feel easily 20 to 30 calls in
the winter just because people know that I'm involved down here. Hey, is that pool open yet? Because from mid December to mid January when universities are generally off, they're all in Florida. If they're east of of
east of the Mississippi, they're all somewhere in Florida. And all of those pools are locked up from 5:00 am to 10 pm with teams training in them. Um, and the other
the major effect of that is all of these teams are staying somewhere, eating somewhere, and shopping somewhere. >> So the the town income is primary, secondary, um, goes goes a lot of levels deep. So
would that offset the costs of, you know, the staff time of being trained for, you know, the deep water certification lifeguard to get that rental potential for those teams? >> Yeah. And, you know, getting into the weeds of what what you make from a team,
what you can charge a team with a 25 yard pool, you can't charge what you would with a long course pool. um you could probably charge between 12 and $15 per athlete per day or even per session
if they're coming twice. Um so a team of 30 or 40 on a daily basis coming in once is significant. Then you're not even thinking about what's it cost to to get our guards certified. So,
if I may ask, so when the team comes down, and I'm just trying to go through all this since we have it, they rent the pool out. >> Yeah. And you can rent it a number of ways by lane or the pool. >> So, the one argument we have from the the citizens is um we want the pool open
for lap swimming all day. Even when we put in the before the obstacle course or we have it or something else, water aerobics, they got upset with us cuz they wanted at least a few lanes open. Would that hinder that? >> Well, there there's ways to manage that. two lanes. You know, if you're talking to a team that wants to come, you can
say during these hours, I mean, if you want to go early when a swim team generally goes anyway, you'd only be competing with crazy master swimmers like me who want to swim at 5. Um, because a team will swim at 5, 5 to 7, 7
to 9. Um, but it's your pool, so rent the space you want to rent. >> Well, we have you only want to rent four. Not that simple sometimes when you talk about dealing with the residents who pay for it. >> No, it it but it but it is because >> can I'm going to jump in here. Um we
need to step back a little bit. My first question is did we rent this to do these type of operations in the past? >> No. >> No. So this >> and are we what type of what time of the year would we be talking about? We get the most rentals. >> Mid December to mid January.
>> Okay. And then it would start again basically when the snowbirds are leaving when the hotels start to have needs again. It's when school gets out. And that would be mostly end of May through the month of June, some into July. So to
your point, M So to your point, Michelle, we have we had constantly just about I'd say in the summer with summer camps almost every day booked for summer camps, too. Yeah, that's I'm because the pool unfortunately has been a long haul. We all know that. So, I'm just trying to
get up to speed balancing and John um bear with me. So, we did not do this in the past, but again, we've got when you brought up the rental opportunities. So, they're you're actually trying to bring a group in for a day and if I just ran the numbers, $10 per kid, we're talking
like $400 per day revenue. and we shut our pool down for them to practice. >> Um, you could just rent four lanes to them. Then you have two lanes available for locals. >> Is that for the day? I'm sorry. Um, for
the day or for like a few hours like you said, 5 to 7, 7 to 9, something like that. It would just be hour and a half or 2 hour blocks >> and you could do the whole pool if it's not a high demand time. Or I mean when I would travel with my team, this is normal because
I finally get to act here when we had that pool like the people who were under my skin when I was a coach. That would be my country club pool and you move your team out of my lane because that's where I swim every day. That's that's just in the management of the
process. And that's easy. It really is easy because you you you establish that with the team that's coming. It's in a contract contract four lanes. It's a six lane pool. >> John, if I could just say, um, so I was aquatics director for many years. I was
on the east coast with the Deerfield Beach Aquatic Center. That was a 50 meter pool. Winter training was probably our biggest revenue maker. I know we're not you know Parks Rock obviously revenue is not the most important thing but um >> it it's important still at the same time
you know there's companies that will schedule teams to come down so it takes a lot of the work out of the aquatics director's hands but they they want to do two practices a day typically two-hour blocks um with a six lane pool you could probably get you know if you're using all six lanes 40 40ish
people um but yeah they want to do a morning practice ractice and then they want to have a recovery period um in the afternoon and they want to you know do another two-hour practice. It's kind of like their hell week before they start their season. So long course is is a big thing. We don't have that here but there
like John was saying there's the FGCU pool. There's a couple pools in Naples. So that's something that we could work with some of these uh training travel companies to to help schedule their long course swims. And there's some club teams that would probably be thrilled
just to have, you know, not everybody's, you know, got to have that long course. We could certainly have teams that could do both their practices here. Um, and then in the afternoons, you have more time for like the pool to be open to the public. And so, I mean, you can do it. You can balance it. And I've done it
before, but it's, you know, you'll get colleges, you'll get club teams, and this is a destination. like they want to stay on the beach because they want to go enjoy the beach when they're on their recovery time and go out to lunch and you know do that kind of thing. Um and so
>> and and revenue is our goal. I'm trying to balance here all of our local people who want to use the pool and want it back. And I'm still going back to we have an issue that we
can't get lifeguards if the pool is that deep. I think we need to qualify that. >> Well, I think the I don't mean to be on a soap box here about the budget season, but it depends how many how many staff we can actually as far as hours we can
be open, too. So, you know, if if I'm thinking it it's a brand new pool, I want it to be open as much as we can, but if if we have to make budget cuts again, not to say that it won't be open, but we might not have the hours that we have. Um, I know that can be made up through rentals, but um, we got to keep
that in mind, too, that we got to kind of plan. I want to plan for the the future, but also we have a reality right now. >> We have a re we do have a reality, but I prefer right now to just plan in accordance that the pool's going to be open and available to the residents when
it's built and that we're not going to be short staffed. So, I know I understand there's a reality of a budget cut coming, but we again in the design of the pool, we want to do it right. And the question is at the current depth are we going to have an issue finding
lifeguards b certifi because the last I heard was there's a different certification based on the current depth of the pool. Correct. >> Yeah. We had true or false. I mean we had issues. >> I've never heard >> either keeping lifeguards because of the
traffic or actually passing the course. >> Passing the course because of the depth of the pool. >> Yeah. we'd have to go somewhere else and do it. And so >> and I think ideally what we the situation we want is we want to have one of the staff at least one a couple hopefully that are lifeguard
instructors. You know we were with Red Cross the last time the pool was open. That's what we're anticipating for our lifeguard certification uh when we reopen. But we don't want to have to go off to another pool and try to figure out how we're going to book that and you know just to do the deep water. So like
you know the pool's deeper. Great. we can, you know, be deep enough to have deep water certification because we can once you're an instructor, you can teach all those. You get trained to teach all those. It's just if we're in that weird in between where we have to go off island to do that training, you know,
those certifications have to be renewed every two years. And so then you're like always, okay, we can do everything but this here. Now we got to go off island to try to do this other component of the training. It gets really difficult because you gota, you know, try to schedule the time and people leave and
then new people come on and, you know, the certifications don't don't always for everybody renew on the same date. Initially, they will, but as new people come in and that kind of thing. It's going to be kind of scattered when when the certifications expired. >> When you hire a lifeguard, do you hire them as a lifeguard? Do you hire them as
certified lifeguard or you just hire them and then train them? >> I mean, we we we try to hire lifeguards. >> So, wouldn't they already have their certification at that point? typically. Yeah. But I mean you could look at I mean a lot of times they'll give you you know maybe six months to get some of those things and you know they've got
the experience. It just I mean depends on who you have apply. I mean >> so I would say probably 60 to 70% of the people we hired prean >> were not certified. We had to say >> hiring they were not hired to certified to work in the pool.
>> We had to train them before they could start. >> Okay. which is going to probably be the case now because we'll we'll probably hire them a couple months in advance to get all this training, but it's hard to get it's hard to get staff down here in general um in any position. And you
know, we were taking the ones that you know could be trained and once they get trained then they're certified. So um we do had we had an issue getting lifeguards. We actually had to cross train with Bay Oaks um just in case someone would call out sick, we would
have somebody to to fill in. So >> yeah, that was recommended a long time ago because we had staff sitting inside that could move outside when there was able to fill in. So that just makes sense for someone who's on staff to be double trained because it's >> I'm going to make a recommendation that there's a followup that we get a little
bit more further re or background on what lifeguard requirements are. We're not going to have to worry about it for two more years. I think the focus of today is on the design of the pool and the input of what we want to see on the design. >> Yeah, I think it's simple. Just make a
motion on we'd prefer to keep the depth of the pool where it is if possible or deeper instead of shallowing it. So, >> I'm not sure deep well deeper is an option obviously, but I don't know how much engineering that will cost to relocate those the pipes. >> I think that's what we're paying for as
engineers to tell us what that cost is going to be. My understanding from when I took the tour of the pool is that we don't even know if the infrastructure underneath the pool can be saved now is my understanding of it. Like we might be dealing with cracked pipes. We might be
dealing with like some >> other things. Um that's what's this all going to cost. >> I I went with that as the foundation of what I wrote. >> Okay. I am assuming that it's all broken.
>> That's good. >> Yeah. Absolutely assuming that it's all broken. Three feet deeper than there any than anything is. And I'm not doing that just to assume the worst. I'm doing that because the pool's been empty and pools are not built to be empty structurally. >> There's a tree growing through it.
>> I know. And and if if that concrete has to come up, >> then we have an opportunity. >> Yeah. >> Yes. So, I'm not pushing for let's get the jackhammers out and go big, but I think we're going to be in a situation,
you know, everybody's throwing out their experience in my 40 years, um, is that this is a structural problem pool that we can't just plaster it and we can't just fire through the old
piping and clean it out. I I think this is a this is a pool that's much further along in its deterioration than anybody, especially me, wants to believe. And so that was really the basis of if
we're there, get another foot because another foot doesn't cost anything if if you're digging that because you're already digging that foot to remove material that has to come out. So that was really the basis of of what I why I talked about
>> and I don't want to diminish what we're talking about but we asked for recommend they're they're right now designing it. So >> well >> I mean we can we can suggest more more things but they're they've been designing it for a couple weeks now. I
know that doesn't make >> I know and and and I don't want this to be adversarial because I'm not adversarial about this. I'm passionate about this. Three years I've asked to give input and it's we're not there yet, John. We're not there yet, John. We're not there yet, John. Oh, John, I'm
sorry. This is too late. >> That That's tough. That's really hard to accept and I I don't accept that. >> I mean, we got your feedback, though. >> I've been heard. I know that I've been heard. Mhm.
>> And you said at the beginning of the meeting that his recommendations were also given to the engineer and the architect. So where at this point are we going? Are we going deeper, shallower, or staying the same? >> And I think this board needs to make a decision and make a motion as to where we're going with that today.
>> So I don't prefer shallower at this point. >> I mean, if if we're talking about the pool is more shot than what it is, >> shallower would be more cost to the pool. >> Would be more >> Yes. you'd have to pour more concrete in there to fill that gap up in that hole. It would be more cost to that pool.
Definitely. >> I think it's really important to um consider in the design um to maximize opportunities both for um community involvement and interaction with the pool, but also to be able to maximize
revenue given the opportunity that's being presented to us. if we have the option to go deeper thereby attracting additional revenue uh uh recognition from uh not only our community but the larger
>> community that could benefit from this pool. Um, and I'm just going to stop there, but also say as as a as a neighbor being at Myersside and watching that beautiful beautiful Bay Oaks field be mowed every
single day or every week be maintained and uh it was used not a lot. It was mostly empty. the night the lights would go up every night and it was mostly empty. And it was so frustrating to see that this this
beautiful field just didn't get used. And why didn't it get used to a large degree? Because it couldn't accommodate the rental of it. And and because you know the larger baseball teams couldn't couldn't come
there. It was too small. It was this. It was that. Let's grasp this opportunity to really maximize it. And maybe it won't be ultimately rented, but if we have to do it anyway, let's let's
provide ourselves the opportunity to do so, especially as we're looking at this cloudy budget crunch. Um so that we have the opportunity to bring in additional revenue, but we can't if we don't. And I can I can ask them to give them
costs on both what they think estimations are on both. Um I wish we had 10 million to spend on this thing. We don't. >> Yeah. >> I just think going to a shallower pool keeps it an amenity that the city has.
Keeping it at its depth or adding to the depth makes it an asset. And I think there's a huge difference in those two words. And I think that you'll you'll draw, you know, the people who are building hotels, the downtime. How's that feel?
I mean, I just had a little house on Flamingo and the rentals dried up because number one, I didn't have a pool and everybody left and so I just waited to my couple sure things that came through in the winter. Mhm. >> Um,
it it's not and if it if you build it, they will come. Right now, I can tell you in the competitive swimming community, it's why don't you have that yet? That that is where they are. I know why that this is going to take a lot of time, but and we've really really beaten
up the depth issue, I think. And I think that we're probably I think we're clear in in advising to council to press to not letting that pool get shallower unless it's just going to be an amenity back there for
the residents to splash in. If that's it, that's okay. Then that's what we run with. >> Jeeoff, where are we on the design standpoint? Can they come back with two plans? One, current depth. Is that >> I will ask them. I don't I can't answer
that. >> You don't know how far they are. >> Oh, we have a meeting with them um this afternoon again. So, >> okay. >> I'm just a little confused on timing. Um they're designing, but we don't know if the underneath needs to be ripped up. >> That's what they're starting to They've
been at at the pool. They've been doing whatever they need to do as as pool architects and engineers, and they're starting to come up with the design the way it goes. So, they're going to only be 30% by um they'll be 30% probably by the end of July, maybe mid
July, and then that'll be presented to council on August 3rd, I believe, or fifth. >> What about presenting to this group first? >> We won't meet before then. >> Could is there any way you could let us know whether or not what what the
condition of the CI what the civil engineers find so that we know at least whether or not it's possibility to go down a foot deeper? Yeah, I'll ask that question. >> Thank you, Jeff. >> This this would actually be the perfect time that they would want that information. So, I think, you know, because like you say, they're just
getting into the engineering, finding out what they have to do. This would be the perfect time to give them that information because this is when they would want it. >> Yeah. And they do have that. We gave them John's recommendations, too. So, they have that. >> They're guided right now from what I'm feeling from what you guys are saying to go shallower, which is mean they're
going to be engineering. So >> that'd be what I would be thinking. Yes. Cuz I know the the challenges of even the lifeguards. I know the challenges of >> I I still to my feelings is the lifeguards should be automatically
trained for deep water no matter what the depth of that pool is just for our concern and our legal concerns on that. And I think you should check with a lawyer on that because I really think the American Lifeguard Association according to my information recommends that. So that's why I'm confused as to why we even got to the shallow lifeguard
situation. So because in in municipal pools it's highly recommended to have deep water. So I think that takes that issue out right to begin with and there's no reason to be even at a 5ft pool. >> So >> So for what it's worth, I am a waterfront certified lifeguard and we
had to go through the train the deep water with the brick and everything that um we're talking about. For me myself, it cost I think $150 or $200 to get that certification. And I know that it would cost the town more than that because of the staff time. But I mean, we are
talking hundreds of dollars and maybe the low thousands for versus a sounds like a very lucrative rental opportunity for those months where it's not necessarily the most popular at the most
popular times. Again, I think we need more facts. I think the next step is if you could follow up to find out where we're on the designs on the two options. John, is there any can you feed us a business plan on what this revenue and opportunity
um can bring? >> Yeah. >> Um I think that's we need to get a better understanding of that. Again, I I was I didn't I needed the question clarified that we've never done this before. So, we don't have any history on sales data or anything on this. And I do think it's
going to be that needs to include what times, what, you know, during what weeks, you know, how much is it going to impact the pool? >> Um because I think we do need, you know, some more community feedback on that. >> I need to chime in if if you don't not.
Go ahead, John. After you. Based on the pool hours in the past, there would be almost no impact in the morning because our pool didn't open until 9. So you >> opened at 8 for water. >> We had water. >> Oh, just clarifying. Yeah, that's a
couple hours of of of training time and then could rent minimal lanes and then it would come back into the into the early evening. You know, but yes, I I can put that
together. It's >> what I think would be good if I can add my two cents is it would be nice to see John if you could give us the dependencies. So, you're going to give us, you know, or you're going to give your team here a uh an analysis, but some dependencies would be good that may
be deeper or um, you know, open during different hours or dependent on if you can get a lifeguard that is certified. So, let us know those dependencies because that's what staff then is going to look at and say, can we do these things? The other thing I know Jeff um has to worry about is this is money
coming from FEMA. So there's also things that are totally without of outside of our control. So you want to use the money. >> Just to clarify, it's CDBGI. >> CDBG. I'm sorry. You're right. It is. And I know it because I actually sat there and approved the the application.
So yeah, there are a lot of rules around it. So we have to make sure that >> if we're doing something, if it throws us out of the guidelines we're stuck with, >> then we have to weigh that as well. Um because some of that is timing. I mean, it's taken us this long just going
through the process. It's so painful. We couldn't start over on certain things. My question to you, Jeeoff, would be um anytime you're looking to redo a pool, obviously I went through the same thing. It's like what is the plumbing underneath? Because you we don't want to put good money on top of
bad. Is that something the engineers have said they're going to come back to us? They can do an analysis. They can test that, send cameras, push water through that. We're not going to be just hoping it's okay because I agree with you. You start digging and you're going to probably find things we did not know
that may add to the expense of that. >> Oh, we know that from Bay Oaks alone. We're still putting money in after Ian. >> They pressure test lines before we go any like if they're just going to do a rehab of a pool that has been setting like you say and could have popped. What we normally do is pressure test everything. So,
>> and they can give us some confidence level that these pipes could handle handle, >> you know, 20 years or 50 years or Okay, good. >> Yeah, I'll get I mean, I'll get that data. >> So, that's already in the works, I'm sure. Right. >> Yep. >> Okay. Thanks. >> How quickly you think you could turn something around, John?
>> Oh, I don't fly out till morning, so I can write it by memory after the meeting. >> When is the engineering and architectural supposed to be done on the pool? because I know we don't have a meeting next month. So, we don't meet until August now. Right. >> Correct. >> So, unless we schedule a meeting in July, then
>> I'll I'll find that out today. I have a meeting with them today and I can send that out and blind copy everyone. So, >> Oh, you're presenting to town council, are you not? So, we can listen at town council for an update. >> Opulent is >> okay. And when when are they when are they doing that? >> Uh, is it the 3rd or the 5th? What's that? Monday,
>> next council meeting. I can't remember. >> All right. So those that's where you need to attend is you need to be at that town council meeting to see the hear the contractor give the update >> report. Yeah. >> So I'll find out a little more detail today, a lot more detail and uh see what they can tell me
>> and and we'll push to make sure that report is in the packet so that you can review it before you have to come and hear it for the first time. >> I believe that they have to. Yeah. If they're presenting. >> They don't always, but we'll we'll >> No, it'll be in there. It'll be in there at least two weeks before the the meeting. So
>> all right and then the other common theme that was coming out of the pool um was being is lockers um space for catering so that we could have private events and parties there. We do understand that you know there's some limitations with the money being the
grant but having accessibility to be able to use that for events >> right and there might be some limitations on what we can put at ground floor due to FEMA standards. I'm not sure about that, but I know some of the restaurants around town can have certain things on ground level, but we can uh
we'll that's something I'm going to look at and but it's something that is in in opulence hands as far as all the notes that we took. Um great and we talked about the locker no problem and those kind of >> and the lights in the pool so it would be lit for at night. >> We talked about it. I don't know what
we're going to come up with but I mean we'll just see if they can if they have to what they have to do to to get that accomplished. So, >> okay. Again, that would be one. So, let me ask a question. If you come back and they say, "Nope, we can't do the lights because we don't have enough money underneath this and we raise the money
to put lights in that pool." Is that acceptable? >> I'll have to I'll have to check with the county, the CDBG to see how that will work as far as us putting additional money in while the project's going on. A lot of times they'll they'll say you got to wait once the project's over then you
can put additions to it. But I will ask um >> that would just be huge like you put lights in when the pool's empty and it's under control. >> It makes a lot of sense to me too. I agree 100%. I just got to see what they're going to say. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Cuz that would be adding a scope >> for the morning rental >> on. So
>> All right. All right. Anything else on the pool? All right. I'm going to uh if we don't have anything else on the pool, we have our follow-ups there. um the ideas for new events and programming. Um I think our biggest one that we've we actually we have three of them coming,
four of them coming up. We have the Fourth of July parade that the town's going to be moving through on. There won't be any events there. Then we're moving over to the women's club. It's got the Sip and Suds, if I'm saying it correctly, which is going to be happening in October. And then we have
the Glow by the Golf, which I talked with Neil today. We What's up F M what's up FMB glow by the golf will be partnering with Bay Oaks and Bay Oaks will be sponsoring the portion of the kids. So they'll be doing a kids pickle
ball tournament and bringing some health and wellness vehicles um breast cancer checking and different things. So we'll be collaborating as the town with the Globe by the Gulf. So they're working together on that. And then we have got the shrimp festival which um has been a
lot of work going through with that. So those are some great um awareness it's going to bring to bringing Bay Oaks and we're excited for all of those. Does anybody have any specific questions on those events and revenue generators?
>> No, but I do have one. Um, if you guys uh Jackie Leisac asked me um from the chamber, she asked me if you could come up with like a line card for like rentals like that so she could pass out to the non for profofits and other businesses that she has during those meetings so that she could you know drum
people your way too. So yeah, so if you could put up something just some information how much rentals are, you know, that type of information, get it to her, she she'd like >> Yeah, I'll send her it's on our fee schedule right now which is on our agenda. It's on her agenda and it's in your packet. The fee schedule card so she could pass it out to all the non
>> I will get a hold of Jackie. >> Um we also I'm have a followup from the last meeting. I'm going to research and get everyone educated on the naming rights that we can offer for you know somebody wants to buy a pickle ball court or a tennis court or a sign or
anything like that. So I'll at the next meeting come back with some more education on that. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know if we have any we have the policy, but do we have like >> in other in other uh positions that I've had, we've had a almost a
dollar amount set to those. So, we I don't think we currently have that. So, that's something we'd have to set. So, if so, like naming rights for a building was where I worked it was 500,000. If you donated that, you got naming rights to the building. If you wanted to donate maybe 50,000, you got a room named after you. Those kind of things. We had a set
schedule of of naming rights. So, we'll have to work on that. I don't know. >> I believe we have a schedule, but we just created a new policy. So, Michelle, we'll get it through you. >> Yeah. Yeah. I spoke with Nancy about it last night. It's available. So, we'll get it to you. >> What are we considering naming with
naming rights? Is it just tennis courts and pickle ball courts or is it like bay oaks and >> we'll have to make a schedule for I mean that's what I'm just kind of curious where we're going like what are we >> naming no like naming the you know we get part of the facility or a court or an area or something like that
>> in the past the only thing that's been named there has been over people who died or got in an accident that's the thing major things to the community and I would not want to see any of those names change >> for money situation it's a big enough topic that the friends of Bay Oaks is also going to be doing it
through their organization, but it's big enough that I think this committee needs to get involved on what that looks like. >> My only concern is that the field's names don't change because they were named after people who died. So, >> yeah. Yeah, that like the little league uh >> Wade Jenkins and >> that's not going anywhere because
>> I just want to make that clear. That's all. So, >> yeah. Yeah. But it there's time limits on it and cost to naming rights, too. So, okay. >> Um something we'll have to that's kind of new. They just approved it on Monday. So, >> um, we'll have to talk about what that schedule looks like so it's not just
willy-nilly I'm going to charge this for this or >> um that. So, it's a little more involved in it. So, we got to get down to the details. >> Keep it on your schedule, Michelle. Keep it on your agenda. >> Yeah, >> it'll come back. >> Yeah, it just came back. So, I'm going to get that information. The friends brought it up. So, um, the next meeting
I'll have some more background and we can talk further on how we that's going to kind of pull together. May I interject something before you move on? Um, regarding the Fourth of July event, um, some of the conversations that you
brought to our attention at the last council meeting about the grounds and the look of the grounds. Um, I wanted to see if you might be open for some discussion while we're here. And >> that's actually we're going right into facilities next on the strategy. So great.
>> That's right on the top. um is talking about the facilities and we can start right off at the top. It my comment to town council is the baseball diamond looks like a million bucks but the everything else wrapped around it needs
some tender loving care. Um so I'm I'll let you do an update. What I saw this morning as you know I go there every morning is it looks like we had about 25 trees delivered. Not sure where they're all palm trees were delivered. They're outside the front rec center and
yesterday we had the garden group out in front of the facility. Can you tell us? >> Yeah. So, some of that like with the the thing with when you enter in is that by the pool area that's all going to be redone. So, they're going to be doing
work in there. So, I don't know how much >> Jeff not talking about the pool area. Talk >> you said the entrance coming in >> entrance by the gym, the workout gym >> and all the way down. Okay. I I tal I took that as the entrance coming in. >> You said by the fitness court. >> The fitness court.
>> That's out front. >> Yeah, that's out in front on the sterile. And then you have the parking lot coming in. I understand the pool's getting torn. Nothing there. But I come in at the at the gym. >> Yeah. No, I know. It doesn't look good down there. I know. >> No, it looks terrible all the way through there. And then we put these
nice trees all the way around the sidewalk. We still have weeds all over the place. We have weeds all the way around the rec center. And again, you look in the baseball diamond and it looks like a million bucks, but we have when you drive in the back, there's three I'm going to say stansions. I
don't know what you call them, but it's got landscaping rock. It's got mulch and everything. So, we've got things there. Um, again, it's just it looks terrible. And if it takes volunteers, I've had more phone calls this week to go out
there and help clean the rest up. Um, but we just want it to look nice and especially since we're coming in with a big main area and getting grass planted. I just want to continue that beauty and just clean it all the way up from the entrance way all the way to the back.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm all open for that. We'll definitely need volunteers and material. So, >> absolutely. >> That's that's all we need. I mean, go ahead. I mean, whoever wants to organize that, we'll be all for it. I mean, >> okay. So, we can we can get volunteers and go in and clean up all the
landscaping all the way around. >> We just can't touch the um garden out front. >> I understand that. Yes. They just redid it yesterday. Yes. And that's theirs. But all the way around the rec center around the back where all the weeds are,
we can we can work on that. >> We can clean the area up between the tennis uh tennis courts and the pickle ball courts. It's all mud. We walk through and the front entrance by the gym >> pickup court on which side? >> Uh but right wrapped around the
pavilion. Oh, >> okay. >> The pavilion that >> the one's supposed to be a swale. So >> what's that? >> The one on the by the air handlers. That's supposed to be a swale. Is there's a different area? >> No, you that believe me, the grass grows great in that swale. >> The swale goes there and then there's a
drain pipe on the other. So we'll look at it. We'll look at it. It would be where the you have the um pavilion is placed right now and there's sidewalks and there is just grass and mud all the way on both sides. You guys keep throwing picnic tables on them. >> There's picnic tables on them right now. That whole make that area cleaned up and
then we need to um the is the pavilion out by the new pickle ball courts. Is that permanent? >> We have we have a plan to put a a nicer one there and at the fitness court. Yes. that. So that's not permanent. If >> No, it's not permanent. I'll answer
that. >> We have We have a plan to put it. >> We just weren't sure how what was going on with the field. But I think we're going to go forward and put the put the shade sale where the current um shade structure is and then we'll also do the
the fitness court. So, >> so I just heard you say you have a the sun sale, a temporary pavilion at the new pickle ball courts and the pavilion by the old pickle ball courts needs to get replaced and you've got the quotes for that
approved for that or where are we at with those three? >> We have not got quotes for it yet. >> Okay. >> So, we have we have funds for it through the park impact fee >> um that we can use. Um >> All right. >> We're going to use that. How much money do we have in the park impact fees? How
much? >> 300,000 maybe. >> And who and how do we designate what that money is? >> So that that's technically our savings account because we can't do capital. So we've earmarked some of it for like the sod and irrigation and then the we did
the shade sales are in there too. >> So >> okay. So, how much? >> But if something happens, if we get another hurricane or we get we need to do something, that's the funds we can use. >> But let me It's It's kind of like we have I know we have this tax implication coming, we might have all the staff cut.
My question is $300,000 is in there. You've paid for We do have the grass and irrigation. Correct. >> We have not. We have the contract. We have not paid yet. >> What is the cost on that? >> I don't know. They haven't get We just approved it on Monday, so I haven't even got a chance to get a quote yet. >> Can you get that to me? trying to get a
rough idea. Also, who handles the maintenance at Bays now? Like stuff that she's talking about? >> Just Jim Deilia. >> Is he assigned to Be specifically or do you got him signed to everything else too? >> Mainly Bay Oaks, but we are shorter on staff so we do kind of >> Jim is 90 98%.
>> Jim is is down there. Yes. >> Okay. Because Jimmy could handle it before and I'm sure that if we, you know, give him a list of things. >> We had two We had two positions down there cuz Seth was the other one. Uh we're working on putting that back in the budget. to give them some some help especially when we're going to have that big open field. Um
>> so can I ask I come in every morning in there at quarter to 7 and there is 8 12 15 of them sitting by the bathrooms by the rec center. Where do where does that staff go and what are they doing? >> Most of them some of them are the beach
crew and some of them are the street crew. So we have seven well six that are beach crew and three two actually currently that are street crew. >> And do they have an office there? >> That the concession stand is their office. >> Upstairs downstairs both.
>> Both. >> They don't go in it. They're just outside by the vehicles. >> Greg has his office down there. Eva's up top. Do they plan on moving down here eventually or what is the the idea for them permanently >> to try to find a facility for them >> to get a we put the Lowe's grant in for
the for possibly a facility for them? But we don't have anything else for them. So >> So there's no room in this building for them? >> No. >> So my my question >> and all their equipment? No. That there would be no there's no room in here for extra offices. Actually, we've had to
make shift. >> All right. So, if we get volunteers in to come in with a plan to go through all that, we are going to need some town resources, i.e. the rangers and 4x4s to move stuff around. Would they be available? Could we possibly use those
12 people that are there every morning? >> Not all of them. >> Not Not all of them, but could we get a couple of additional resources because we're going to need help loading, moving? >> Yeah. It wouldn't be the rangers either. It would be probably maybe Seth from the Moundhouse and Jim.
>> Okay. All right. >> But I would like to meet about the plan before we do it though, just cuz there's >> We'll come behind you with a plan um to go through. >> I know Jim has we just planted some more shade trees. That's what you were we did
the palm trees earlier. Shade trees we just put in. Um we those were through tree grants. So that didn't come out of our budget. >> So again, that's why I want to make sure. So the do we have anything else? Because those trees just showed up yesterday. I don't know 20 of them. Is
there anything else coming in that we don't know about? So that we're not >> just the sad and irrigation. >> Just the sod and the irrigation. Okay. So we're going to see. >> We have some small things Jim put together. Um we took out some of those bushes by the monument. He wants to make it more of a focal point there. So he's got an idea on that end. Okay.
>> Um, and then we had to rip out uh we had to rip the ground up for sure when we had to redo the the electrical there recently, but uh so we have seed in there for now, but we'll see if it if it grows. >> All right. And then back to the 300,000. So we have the irrigation underneath
there, the wind sail. Um and then we just talked about we need two I'm really concerned that that pavilion's going to be gone in the first windstorm. No, >> once we got the Now we can do all that because we can we're starting with the irrigation and we'll do the the sod too or the shade sale
>> that like that's a shade sale but the other two pavilions by the pickle ball courts are critical. Can we get do you have to get the estimates on those or can we ask friends to go out and how does that >> we have we'll get the estimates and then go through the procurement. So anything
over 75,000 has to go out to bid. >> Okay. So the lowest cost one in the back and this would be in construction people can jump in needs to re go back in place or you're going to have to or it be the exact same size you're going to have to tear all that concrete out. But we need
to get two permanent pavilions in and we can get funding for that if it's not >> Yeah, it's on if you read through the wish list that is on our wish list. So Okay. Yep. >> Okay. All right. So, all in favor of getting Fort Myers Beach to come through with volunteers to bring landscaping to
Bay Oaks for the Fourth of July before the Fourth of July event. >> Is that correct? >> No, that's that's not going to happen. >> I just I'm asking just for clarification. >> You just the based on what was just stated, we've got to a put a plan together which means we need to get
volunteers shopping and I don't know like many people are gone right now. So, I would say I was no, I'm not going to stand up here and commit for the 4th of July. >> And and next year, it is in the budget for some landscaping money. This year, we basically had to zero it out. >> Yeah. >> Due to the I mean, we cut $400,000.
>> I mean, wouldn't you agree that's going to take some time? >> I just wanted to make sure for the record. It's crazy. Fourth of July. >> So, we do like everything else, we we kind of have a plan of what we want it to look like. We just need the funds to get there. And I appreciate or the people. So, I appreciate the putting the effort in. We've got more than enough
people that want to get in there and fix it and other ideas. >> Okay. So, that's the landscaping. Um shade structure you're taking care of. That's in your budget. >> Landscaping or the um grass and
irrigation. You've we've got that. um any right now I think the rest of the things I'm going to hold off for the next meeting and ask that everybody on here go back through here and add additional ideas go out in the community
talk to and keep this list of things going so that I can get back on the agenda over here. Does everybody agree? >> Agree. >> All right. um the staff. So, we have the staff put a report together, but we wanted to spend more time on strategic
discussions and about what we can do to help things. So, we've asked that you read those um prior to coming to the meeting and come with any questions. So, I'm going to open up if anybody has any questions regarding the board cab report from staff.
>> Yeah, he Neil wants to >> there's a couple things I just want to kind of highlight um that I think are some pretty big accomplishments and just kind of show you guys what we've been up to. I know uh it's been a while since we've met. Um the big one Jeff and I met
with I9 Sports. Um they're a national uh company that does youth sports leagues programming. Uh they're very involved with Lee County, Charlotte County, CER County. Uh my son was in a youth football flag football league out at the Sherman
complex at Gateway and I approached their tent. Uh I met their area developer. So he came out and had a meeting with Jeff and I. Um and we're going to start initially with some clinics uh in August and September, but
the idea is that and they're very they've come out, they've tooured the Bay Park. They're really excited about the opportunity and I think this is a huge it could be really big for us to get kids involved with leagues and and
sports and getting people to come off island. Um, we have the ability to do indoor and outdoor sports where a lot of the county facilities, they're only kind of allowing them to do outdoor sports right now. So, they, you know, like the fact that they could do basketball and
some of the indoor things that we have available. Um, so initially, like I said, we're going to start out with clinics in August and September, but hopefully that goes well. They're going to do all, you know, most of the marketing. They have a much bigger reach. Um, if you go online, you can see
their website. You can like click on different sports. You can just go by area. So, it's really nice website, but they do a great job. Like I I my son's all my kids have done I9 and it's really a great organization. Um and I think
it's a huge thing for Fort Myers Beach. Is >> this something that local kids will use? >> It's it's everybody. Yeah. And I mean that's the thing is they have some programming out at Wakahhatchee right now. Um that's their closest other site to us. Um, and they're only able to do
like a lot of the outdoor stuff. So, I think, you know, they might, if things go well, be able to move a lot of the stuff they're doing there to here because it gives them the ability at Bay Oaks to go indoor and they just don't have that there. Um, not that we want to take, you know, things away from the
county, but they're all over with Lee County and Cape Coral and some, you know, the other big parks of the county. Um, so that's exciting. What else do I want to go over? Um, we had a teen night about three uh nights three
weeks ago. Um, Jimmy planned it out. We took 12 teens. Um, these are all island kids to the new Fast Tracks Park over by Headpens. Um, so that was really encouraging. Uh, and we plan on doing more teen nights. You know, I think if
we can really keep the traction going, we might be able to have like, you know, one night a week where we have the teens come into the community room and just have, you know, activities and just like a place for them to come and hang out and like, you know, do their own thing and just, you know, be at the rec
center. So, you know, that I'm really passionate about that because that's what I, you know, we've got, you know, a lot of great programming for adults and and seniors, but the kids is the biggest challenge. uh especially with not having the school open, not having the pool open. So, I feel like if we can do some
of these, especially with I9, if we can get this going now and they see like the multi-use field is going to be coming in, we can do soccer there, we can do, you know, the flag football there. So, it's just, you know, I'm I'm excited because I I've been trying to think how can we do this because it's not
something the town with just our advertising and our reach alone are going to be able to um to be, you know, I don't think we'll be successful without bringing a partner in. So, I think I can definitely help us there with that. And if you as far as Oh, Silver
Sneakers, that's the other big update. So, I just got an email last Friday from Silver Sneakers. They finally recognized that um we've been trying to get our application approved. Um we're now have the ability to be a Silver Sneakers
facility at Bay Oaks. Um I basically sent all the information that they asked for just kind of like our different membership tiers, what we charge for our daily fees. Um and they're going to get back to me with some kind of a contract for the facility. So, I've done all
that, submitted everything to them. Um, we'll just have to kind of, you know, see what they come back with, but we're moving in that direction where we'll hopefully be able to offer the silver sneakers program now at Bay Oaks. I don't know have a start date or anything like that because I've got to see what they come back with as far as their
contract and what we can do and but um, you know, I know we've been trying to get that since I basically started. So, we've been working on that almost a year. So, that's great news on that. But if you have any questions about any of the other items in the staff report, um
we put our wish list on there. Uh let me know if you have any questions. >> One thing I will mention, I seen that uh Fort Myers Beach Soccer Club is uh doing reg open registration right now and they practice at Kelly Roadfield 6 currently. um you might want to give them a buzz
and see if maybe they could use your fields for anything locally, but I know that uh they are doing registration, open registration right now for anybody who's looking to get their kids out there to play soccer. So, >> uh a couple things. First of all, both
um the Globe by the Golf and the Shrimp Festville are going to be utilizing the B baseball field for kids zone. I think we've talked about calling them shrimp shrimp fest. the shrimp kids. So, anyhow, when I read on here that you've
got counselor training going on, which I think is fantastic, have these older kids that you have um if you could ask if they would be interested in being volunteers for these events moving forward because we're going to be bringing a lot of kids into those baseball fields um during those events.
And if we could keep a list of them, I think that would be phenomenal. Um the second the second one is um I it got out that you were having these um Southwest Florida Blaze Blazer semi games going on and the question was are there going to be bleachers so that
residents can walk down and watch the game? Will that be open for residents to watch those games? >> Uh we still don't have a game schedule yet and with they starting practice back up this week. They didn't have practice last week. They're still really in the
infancy stage of just trying to get they're in the um Sunb Belt basketball league, which is like, you know, mostly Florida and Georgia semi-pro team. So hopefully if we can get a game schedule, you know, that's that's something that I
don't know why. >> Okay. So they're not scheduled yet. >> No, not scheduled yet. We're just hoping that they can get it together enough to like say that's the idea. It says we will be utilizing the Bay Oaks for their home games. >> Will Yeah, if they can get if they can get it together.
>> I think that'd be great for residents. Um and then I read that you are working on strategic plan goals um that are supposed to be completed. That's also on personnel. If there is any updates or anything on that, if you
could >> give those to us that would be great. Um, okay. >> So, I'm >> I think I have the wrong report was sent out. Okay. So, I I will refer from that one. >> But, you know, I mean, I always keeping the staff updated as far as what we're
trying to do and and where we're moving towards and, you know, obviously with the I-9 sports and um, you know, we're hoping we get a couple more staff. We'd like to be able to open on Saturdays. Um, I mean, that's going to be a huge thing with all this I9 stuff. We want to have a presence when they're there.
They're going to be doing all these clinics and leagues typically Saturdays. Um, and we want to have our information out there with their with their tents so you know we can bring more awareness to Bay Oaks and what we're doing. And I that's a hu, you know, thing to point out with I9 is we'll get a lot of interest in some of our programs from
people that coming off island and that just never have been to the park. So, um, >> great. I do realize that I missed the feast schedule. We will come back to it. But to close up, the big topic for today that everybody's talking about is the FOB system. Um, residents want access to
this gym in the morning and at night. Um, Jeeoff, I did receive your email um, stating that a there's an ADA bathroom and that we have an insurance um, feedback. So, when I tell you that this
is like one of the biggest topics of this island that we're only talking about the residents, we're not bringing everybody else off. There are so many people that work here on the island and that want a gym and don't want to run off island. We're talking about
residents basically that we know. Um, let me qualify because I don't know that it's public. Um, we have Terry Prasad um from the island called me this week and he 100% will pay for a camera system
and a fob system to get residents access into the facility. So cost, we've got that covered. But even more so, this is not something new or un that's not out of the ordinary. I pulled up four public
facilities here that are doing this. Um, and there is different things that you can do. So, I'm going to start off with the ADA bathrooms. There might have been some confusion, but this is how I envisioned it. Not only could they go in the gym, but if I wanted to grab a
couple residents, why can't I go play pickle ball inside there? If a couple of the guys want to go play basketball in there, we're we're just in there using the rec center. very common um for open facilities. So that's the goal, not only
the gym, but just to go in there and use it. So when I look at the entrance ways, we have the side entrance way that comes back around the D and then we have the main entrance. Why we can use the main entrance as the fob system and yes, I know that we have a window there that your office is
there, but we could just pull a lock shade down so that the lock the offices would not be accessible and the other doors can be locked. So that way it keeps all of that access through there. And again, we're not asking for everybody, any we're not
asking for non-residents. We are asking for members, annual members who are residents to be able to use that gym, go play a basketball or play pickup during after hours. the staffing portion of it. I reached out to everybody remembers
Hammerhead Gym when they were here on the island and yes, they were open 247. They now are about ready, I believe, to open their fourth or fifth gym. So, I reached out to them and I've asked them, they're going to come tomorrow morning and just do a walk through and kind of look at and say, "Hey, will this work?
Will this not work?" They do it with all their gyms. But my question for them was if what are when do people really go in and use the gyms? She said, "You really want them open at 4:00 in the morning?" She goes, "You'd be surprised how many people are working out between 4:00 and
5:30." She says, "People get in there before work." She said, "Really? After 700 p.m.?" No. So, when I talk about a staffing, it's I can't I can't stand up here and say that I want you to have somebody stand there and watch eight people go use the gym at 4:00 in the morning. That's a waste of town money.
Having a FOB system, let them just go work out and get back to work. That's a workable program. So there are a lot of items that I know we need to get around with the insurance, but my question would be if we got take care of the ADA, we have the cameras, we have the FOB
system, I'm going to we'll get some input from people of you know if there's any other what else is are they saying against the insurance? If you come back and tell us yes, it's a little bit more increase cost. You know what? There's not a single person that wants access to these gyms that won't pay a little bit
more money to get in there. Is this just for the workout equipment or the entire gym? >> Sounds like she wants it to be the gym as well. >> Never heard of an open gym for >> Do you have a list of those municipalities that do this? I just want to I want to touch base with them.
>> My problem with that is is what if somebody left the door open at 4 in the morning? >> That was one of the >> And one of the homeless people come in there and destroyed the place. >> No, no, no. >> And we have I'm not It is what it is. But we do have a homeless population on the island, too. >> And they live there. >> Okay. >> They live down there.
Wait a minute. That's my only concern. I'm going to give you all the work. First of all, you cannot shut off the pickle ball courts and the basketball courts without to get people into the gym. >> And if you and your son being a resident want to go play basketball, the why not? What's wrong with you playing basketball?
>> I'm not saying there should I should I just I would expect staff. >> We are talking a full fob system camera. So I you so when you do these fob systems, if you go to the gym and and everyone has gym memberships, they take your picture. They know who you are.
They see who comes in and out of the facility. And again, we're not The door automatically locks behind you. The door automatically locks behind you. It's not the doors are left open. It's a fob system. Michelle Churnney's here. Fob.
Door opens. I go into the gym. I leave. That door shuts. Locks automatically behind me. This is very common. >> I mean, that's that's the theory, right? >> Yeah. I'd be comfortable, I think, with that in the workout room because we're limited. But you open up the whole facility. I'm more worried about people
getting hurt, too. Let's say somebody's playing basketball in the middle of night and they break a leg and they can't get to their phone. I'm more worried about that situations and other situations. I think that the workout facility, like you say, should could be on a fopsis. Most of them are. I'd be more worried about the rest of the
>> So, again, you're absolutely right. What you do is you put an emergency call station in >> that that we would have to do. Yes, that is >> you put an emergency call station in that's put in there. Um there's cameras covering all the other areas. Again, Rick, you can't get to the gym without putting a whole hallway down to the gym.
>> You can't. >> No, you can't come in the side of the building with the door. >> What? >> You can't get to the gym unless you go into the courts. >> But you have to admit. >> I want to give them access to the gym, but you have to go through to the gym. you have to go through. You have to go
in there. >> Um Michelle, >> yeah, >> I just wanted to add I spoke with Nancy, our attorney, last night about this very subject, and she is taking it one step further. I I'm not sure um Jeff, if you've talked to Nancy, this was probably after hours, so you you may uh
have the same information. Um she did tell me that HR looked into it and it was a whole liability issue. She's taking it one step further. She she understood that and she understands how passionate everybody is. So, she's
taking it one step further and going to do some more investigation to see are there things that we can do to accommodate what you want to do. It may not be the whole ball of wax. It may be we can do this or that, but she is taking it one step further. She said
give her some time to do some research. And she also said feel free to reach out to her as well, Michelle, while she does that. So, she's not just taking no for an answer. She has the liability concerns, obviously. You know, could someone be raped? Could someone use it as a place to live? It's very
inexpensive to buy a fob when you can sleep and get out. You know, I understand cameras, things like that. >> I'm sorry. It's a fob is expensive. >> No, no, no. I'm thinking for a homeless person if they, you know, bought a membership to have a fob and they were in there to sleep.
>> You have to be a resident. Again, I am talking about somebody with a Fort Myers Beach address. >> I'm just saying she's looking at all the possibilities to get to yes, if it's possible. >> All right. >> Considering all the things that that would come up in a liability issue.
Yeah. She's looking to see if we can get to Yes. And I think this is uh really really good to hear um the positive side of it because >> honestly before Ian, >> it's it's it's it's going to be an
underused facility if we're not open to inviting the community in. And let's realistically look at our community when they can use it. In season, sure, it's going to be busy, but um um but but after season, it's it's the residents that are using it. And if this is what
the residents want and need in order to have this facility used, I think it's critical that we do our best to accommodate. >> And I believe Nancy is looking for that. She she's not going to allow us to recommend something that she is adamantly finding it puts us at risk,
but she understands how much we want this. So, she didn't just take the first no, that's a liability problem. She's going the next step. She's going to do further investigating, speak with other law firms, ask other Tracy, have you heard this as well? Yeah. So, she's
she's continuing on our, you know, behalf and based really on your requests >> and and if if not this time for for whatever reason, I mean, we are on the cusp of AI and, you know, let's let's just keep this door open. >> Yeah.
>> Because it will be a no-brainer in four or five years. So absolutely absolutely it's going to happen. >> Yeah. In the meantime, if staff can figure out some way to stretch some hours, it'd be really nice. And then we will, >> right, >> that was going to be my one of my top way to figure this out.
>> Yes. We right now we only have >> enough staff to be open and actually reduced hours now in the summer because we have summer camp >> and that's not helping us. So I what I had had mentioned to Michelle yesterday was there's a couple a lot of hurdles here
with uh not recommending it by the FMIT that's our insurance. Those were the attorneys that were reviewing it. Um it hadn't got to Nancy yet, but it was the FMIT lawyers that we got back from. So it wasn't all Nancy. So um and then so yes it was
medical things happening which we can get a call center um security access control um I know in a perfect world the door would just close but we know in other facilities and places that it's been >> yeah when I ran little league every night I had to go up there and shut the
door because it wasn't quite closed or something you know all our equipment was wide open so >> we don't have any accountability or anywhere to monitor that and we do cameras, yes, but who's monitoring those? >> Y, we're not rebuilding something. This is done every day. And I'm just asking for
the door to be opened and listened and work on the insurance side. And if the doors have to be replaced because we don't think they're going to shut like they should, then we'll replace the doors. This is something that we just got to push forward. This isn't something other people aren't doing today.
>> Part of my job is to make sure we're we're covered on every end. that means going to the lawyers benefiting uh looking at the risk versus the rewards. Um and for the fact that I don't want them have access to the gym. Um I just don't think that's a good idea. And if
we can't give them access to the gym, they don't have an access to ADA restrooms. The only ADA restroom is in the gym. What's wrong if I take three residents with memberships and go in there and take a pickle ball net because it's
raining to play pickle ball for a couple hours? >> I just have I have issues with that. What if what they're what if they're not as nice as you? What if they're been drinking and want to do something? What if they want to I don't know. I mean, there's just a lot of And that's that's what our lawyers are saying that they do
not recommend it. I mean, I I would love it. I've been to gyms, too, that are >> Michelle. to give you for instance, we used to have a basketball players used to go in in the morning and play on Sunday mornings and uh I believe they did get booted because they were drinking. So for that exact same reason.
>> So what is is it the hours that were open? What hours would you like the rec center to be open? >> You can't fit the weekends, Jeff. So >> you know, we used to be open seven days a week. >> Jeff, we live here. Do you know what it's like during season when you work 8
to 5:00 p.m. and you want to go to a gym and it cost you over two hours to get off this gym because you want to work out? >> Oh, I understand that. >> No, that's that's what we're dealing with. People have to drive off the island to go to a gym when we have one sitting right here.
>> And this is very common practice. Yes. I only did 5 minutes worth of research because I'm getting pretty good at what questions you're going to ask and it dropped me four here in Florida. I can look for more of municipalities that are doing this right now and there are good to do our research a little more.
>> I'm going to close it off that this is something the community needs and wants and I'd like to see it get in place before season because that's where we run into issues with people trying to work and get it off this island and work. Is any other comments?
>> Yeah, I I actually Are we finished with the FOB? >> Nope. >> Okay. No. Okay. >> If we are done with Do we have any more questions or comments on the FOB? >> Does everyone who who agrees that the FOB system is what the residents wants
and we need? >> I do. >> I do. >> Absolutely. It doesn't have to be reinvented. >> I agree with the FOB system for the if it was just the workout gym. I just I'm comfortable with the entire gym being open to residents 24/7. >> Yeah, I have maybe I I'll contact these
people and see what they do, these companies, and just see what their policies are and then we'll we'll run it by. But yeah, I I guess we I would not want to give them access to basically the whole facility. >> Our biggest challenge then is ADA. I mean, that's law. The law is the law.
>> There's no ADA bathrooms in that hallway. So maybe that's what we need to be doing. >> An addition, >> an addition. >> So that side of the building, >> I want to keep the facility open more than 8 hours a day. I mean,
>> I would love to staff it 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. or 5:00 a.m. to to 8:00 p.m. I would love to. We just have to pass a budget that allows that to. Could the friends offer a finance to help staff in the hours so then all these issues are
taken care of? >> It would be I'm not sure throwing it out there. >> I don't know if it's on the wish list or not. >> Could you give us a per hour cost for one employee to be in the center? >> Sure. >> That would be >> I would I'd prefer two just for safety reasons. >> Okay. >> For just opening not running the center,
just opening and sitting there. There has to be two just for that too. >> I would prefer that. I mean it there's a safe >> I mean I'm trying to think of alternative >> I am too I'm too and we have done that I used to open it up by myself but I just >> I would love for two people to be there
>> and I know that's always been the case but in this situation of what we're dealing with here. They're just coming in to work out. You're just watching. >> You're not you're not running a program. You're not doing anything other than sitting in an office. If something happens, you make a phone call. >> Yeah, I can get a per hour. I think if that's a per hour, we could probably
figure out how we could fit this in. >> Yeah. No, now immediately instead of even waiting for this, >> can we go down that path? If the everybody comes back, absolutely not. This won't work. Then that we won't go down that path again. We're not reinventing a wheel and I'm just asking the town to push back further. I'm going
to get some more data from the facilities that are doing it. I will supply that back tomorrow. And they're working on it. Thank you. So, let's wait to see. I'm glad to hear the doors not closed. That's real. quote and from Soft Trim, our company that that is here actually does the Eric in there? Hi Eric
from Soft Trim. Um that gives us quotes on on our things because we have a contract with them. So we do have all of it. It's just we're trying to work around a should we do it? B is it legality? Is it w I mean we probably legal to do but liability wise is it a smart idea? And
then two is we have to abide by all laws which means ADA bathrooms. >> Yeah. And it says sign waiverss on there. Go ahead. >> With respect to uh uh liability, can can I just plant a seed of of of the concept of volunteers? Um >> they would have to be a paid staff in
there. >> Is there a scenario where a volunteer can somehow earn $2 an hour? Is there any scenario where volunteers >> We could do one staff and one volunteer instead of two staff. We could
definitely do that, but it's a town owned facility, which I wouldn't want to anybody that's not a town employee to be in charge of. >> Okay. Seed planted. That's all. That's That was >> No, we could definitely do one staff, one employ one volunteer. But >> can you
>> No, I didn't know if you wanted needed to or wanted to. Tracy, we have your presence. I didn't know if you have wanted to say anything. >> Uh Tracy Kohler, deputy town manager. No, I came down to see you all face to face while I was listening up into my office and um I hear everyone's thoughts
and opinions loud and clear. Jeff is doing a great job interfacing. Um Rebecca does a great job uh reiterating to council some of your concerns, some of your thoughts. And um as I'm sitting here, I I see some direction and some options to pursue. And I want to echo
that Nancy is looking to get to a yes. >> Great. Thank you. That's great. Thank you for your conversations and we'll move forward. >> I and I think you know when this first came up I thought this was a great idea >> just because we can't we can't staff it
the way we want to. If if if we had if we passed the raise the millage rate to to get, you know, more programs and things like that of the town and more staff, then that would be great. I would open it up at 5:00 a.m. I would. I I promise you I would if we had the
staffing. Um but but once it gets to after six o'clock, we barely see anybody in there. >> Hardly ever. So >> is the staff primarily part-time? >> Um no, they're primarily full-time because we only have five. We have an
education coordinator. >> Can there be a day or two a week to be creative with the hours? Maybe it's dark for a couple of hours in the middle of the day on X day and Y day and it either opens at 5 or or it goes the
other side of the workday and and and publicize that really well >> and >> and get some get some direction from boots on the ground if people are going to use it. >> During the summer it would I can tell you it would not work because we have summer camp. We have kids for
>> 10 11 hours. >> Yeah. So they have they're you know we have to keep our ratios the way we want them you know for for supervision to kids too. I mean that's a big program for us. Um and during the school year we do extend the hours a little bit. Um but
we also have at night we have a couple nights of uh open basketball that they can't do. So we have other programs going on. >> We just don't have the staff to when I you know before Ian we were open seven days a week. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. So, I' I'd love to get back to that, but
we just with the budget cuts, and I hate to keep bringing it up, but that's the reality is that was one of the risks that I I told council uh or I suggested to council last year was we're going to have to cut programs and cut hours, and they some of them seem to be fine with that. So,
>> like I say, >> this proposal doesn't need staffing. I'm going to um cut this subject off until we hear back from council if that's okay. >> Okay. I I just want to say one more thing. The reason that I I prefer staff is because I know that you're considering that all these are adults, but I know there are some children that would also are younger under 18 that
would like to be in the center too and without staffing they're not going to be allowed. >> So that's my reason for I'd rather have staffing than >> that's the waivers would the children would not be allowed in there. It's over 18. No, it's it's over. >> That's exactly
That's exactly my point. >> What about the kids that are under that age? >> They wouldn't be allowed in after hours. They're not they're not allowed in the weight room either, but >> they sneak in with their parents deserve the right to be in the center and that's my concern. >> We're weighing all the options and
>> if it was that easy, yes, I would already have it done. >> All right, I'm going to move on with this subject until we hear back. We've given the word. We'll get feedback from another facility who's doing it now. You have a list of four municipalities who are doing it now. You can reach out to them. Um, again, I just trying to push
the momentum because we just the residents would like to see it before season so they don't have to drive in the traffic and stay home. >> All right. Uh, I apologize, but we need to go back to the Bay Oaks. >> I'm sorry. >> Can we go back? I need to go back to
that because if we would allow if we do do that, >> I would assume it would be an additional fee. >> Yes, absolutely. And everybody agrees that they will pay they will pay >> fee schedules. What do you think? Cuz our fee schedules will be due um
probably before our next meeting. So that's why we have it out there for you um to review. You can always send it to me after you review them your thoughts. Um I know last time we did this it was um uh what do you call it? Contentious
about raising any fees. So what would it what would a fee be? And I can I can find out from these municipalities what they charge too. So, I'll do my research on my end, but what would it it take to have a two two or three extra hours a day that that have a
FOB system? >> Um, we I would my response would be is I'll investigate that. Last year, we were requested to go out and do I we were requested to go out, take a look at the fees, look at other municipalities.
I took it on and our fees are low and the response was we can't increase the rates. Um >> that and that's a council decision. >> Okay. So when does the fees go in front of council, >> Rebecca?
>> I don't know. >> Uh September. What did we set? We said set budget dates. >> Oh, that's right. It was >> Yeah, it's September. It's early September. >> Yeah. >> So, do we still have time if we have this group take a look at the fees?
Well, take a look at them now and then if we have any research that needs to be done, when do we have to have it back to you? Can we wait till our next August meeting or do you need it prior? >> We are not meeting in July. >> We have no meetings in July. Um I don't
have my calendar in front of me, but um I would say do something within the week and get it get it over to Jeff so that he can see if he can get it on an August agenda. It didn't get on the agenda, so it's not
an agenda item today, but if you all want to review it, especially the pool, because we're going to have to figure out what we want to call, what charge for rentals, for >> but >> all sorts of things. >> Can I ask a question? The pool's not going to be open next year. So, why are we wast Why is >> it might be open during the fiscal year
next year. This goes until October of next year. >> Yeah, the fiscal year could be open by the calendar year. >> I do have we not modify it then. It's just confusing if if I'm a brand new um resident, I move here and I go on your website and I go, I'm going to get a
membership for 150 bucks because I want to use the pool. >> No. Well, I think what Jeff's talking about is the budget. We have to set the things we are required to do by certain dates and the fee schedule is one of them. >> Okay. >> We can we can come back and ask for
modifications. >> Sure. Two subjects. I I guess budget's one thing. I'm talking about that there has been feedback from residents like why do you even have the pool rates on here when we don't have a pool? And this is
very hard to see on the website in terms of understanding what the membership includes it. But I'm looking at a 2526 and it tells me how much the pool fees, memberships, classes, and pool rentals are. I mean, why is it even on the website and why are we even talking
about it on here when we don't have a pool? >> Cuz we weren't sure. sometimes. We weren't sure when this was supposed to start. We were assuming the CDBGDR was going to start. >> He's also got the concession stand on here. So, technically, you know, >> Yeah. >> And that was one of the questions I had.
You had fees for the concession stand, the ball field lights, and the fields. >> Yeah, those exempt for nonforprofit leagues. >> We do for instance. >> Yeah, we exempt them for non forprofits. Yeah. >> Okay. Should that be in the fee schedule somewhere as a note that because otherwise
>> Actually, no. We have a reduced rate for nonprofits. That's what it is. Well, if let's say the soccer club wanted to use the small field, you're going to charge them for using the field. >> There's a >> I mean, they're a nonfor-profit for the soccer club who's been >> nonprofit member rate and a for-profit
non-member rate. >> So, they would now have to start paying to use. >> They should have been all I mean, they should have been all these fees. I didn't these were before I even started where these >> I don't they operate in a negative. There's ne there's not too many local nonforprofit leagues that can afford field. What does it say?
>> Producing their local fields. They're usually given to them. >> It says, yep, >> where's the Bay Oaks one? It does say there's another page. It >> says ball field cost per hour zero. But it also says B Rod Veo or Wade Jenin Fields 2our minimum at $75 an hour. I
don't see anything on here about >> It says something about youth leagues on one of these. I don't think youth league should be paying for usage of the fields >> or the concession standard. As a matter of fact, I think that their budgets are hard enough to get children even be able to afford to pay on this island, let
alone be able to pay for the fields to use. >> Yeah. And this is the catch 22 that we get. Do we not charge and then we got a deficit or then we do are we really I'm going to Oh, I agree. I'm all for the children. I mean, I have a job myself that that can use. I mean, I'm all for
charging people who come from out of town, >> you know, or or a league from a school or somewhere else. But when it comes to a Fort Myers Beach nonforprofit youth league, I do not believe they should have to pay a fee. >> I thought it said something on here like youth leagues with zero.
>> It should. That's why I'm asking, >> but there's another page to this, I believe. >> So, that's Rick's got one question. If I was a youth league and I wanted to rent the baseball diamond for four hours, how much would it from Fort Myers Beach? what would it cost me? So, here I'm going to pull up the second question. I
am the shrimp festival. What are my fees going to be for me to be come in on set up on Friday night and have it Saturday and Sunday? >> It says 500 a day or uh sorry, yeah, 500 a day. >> 500 a day >> and that's a 50. That's a nonprofit
>> nonprofit member rate. >> Okay. So, 500 $500 because they're not a member. So, $500 per day and that will get them all of the grounds including the facility. >> Not including the facility. Facility has its own.
>> And if you look at it, >> there's building and grounds which would be right >> 950 a day for all of it. >> You can pay 350 an hour or 500 a day. >> Yeah, correct. But all day it would be 500, >> right? >> Okay. So, Shrimpfest is going to be $950
per day and they will have access to the Bay Oaks Rec Center, the baseball diamond, and the main campus. Same thing for the wellness. That's what the charge is. $950 per day. >> If that's what they're renting then, yes. >> Okay. >> They can go to the town board and ask for
>> Yes, we can't we can't wave those at town. >> No, no, just just asking to for clarification awareness so people understand it. So, >> all right. So then does that include um and I know this is going to be a little extreme but the shrimp festival
is not small. Um they had 10,000 people in the drone watch it last year. They served a thousand shrimp plates which the expectations get back 3,000. Does that include garbage cans and dumpsters? >> No. >> Does that include >> So when the town has to rent do
facilities like the let's just say it's the 4th of July, we have to rent all that too. Nope. That's okay. >> When anybody coming in would have to get since we don't have lights, they would have to get portable lights, possible security. >> No, that's that stuff I know. Yeah. So, but so garbage cans, dumpsters, all that
is se that's all there on their own. So, >> they can use ours, I mean, but we don't have many of them. I would suggest and we even do that down um we're bringing extra ones down to Time Square and and >> in our facilities, you know, the cardboard ones um for extra. One of the things I'm not seeing in this
fee schedule um is a scenario like uh what we do across the street. I keep saying I said, but um um what we do or or a potential hotel might want to do that doesn't have a
pool or a workout facility. And that is um you know have each room the guests staying in that room be able to grab their Bay Oaks memberships go in use it and and so that that hotel can provide
that as a service. >> Yes. So we had a corporate rate. I I don't know why we went away from it. I think just because we didn't have a pool maybe but we can definitely that can be one of your notes on there is to add the corporate rate in there. >> Um and I can maybe look back historically and see what that might be.
Yeah, I think it was like the I think it used to be the um because the hotel was on island, it was it was just charged the resident rate per room. >> Could be. Yeah, >> have I heard you one other time? I think that's a good one. You were saying, you
know, maybe a hotel wants to purchase >> a group of vacation rental that don't have a >> Right. And they they hand them out. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think that's awesome. >> Yeah, it worked out great. >> It worked. It worked perfectly. I uh we get a lot of requests for especially our visitors like in season
for like a week pass, a month pass. >> So right now we just have the daily passes >> and then the next jump up would be the six month individual family memberships and then we have resident non-resident. So we >> yeah we had all those for some reason
Borcab chose to cut them >> right after the storm. Let me get let me get the one we used to have too. I mean the prices will be different but I can pull up the budgets from >> but even if we could just do a week or I mean one of the other would >> you actually should have a day week and a month based on I mean tourists down
here rent seven days or they rent per month >> three month too but that was it came before vorab and they just wanted to simplify it. >> Let me ask you this as a an idea bev what if they were all day passes but you gave them out to them and you said you can use this while you're here for the
week I want this back with your room key and those things. So the Bay Oaks doesn't have to figure out is it a day there's you know not a scanner. It's just if you have the pass you were given it by someone with authority and you've got to give it back >> and they had that per room. So they had
it with the the hung in the room for the membership for that room. >> So many of them for that room. Yeah. >> Just two per room. >> And we were usually pretty good about if there was extras, you know, if they were with the side. >> Yeah, that sounds simpler for everyone
to manage. you and Bay Oaks, you as a hotel. >> Yeah. And that's what they did. They just came in with their fobs that were in their room >> and scanned in. >> But I'm thinking with a threemon vacation rental. Somebody's renting down Pearl Street where I live and they're there for 3 months. And you know, mom
and dad America want to go and work out and, you know, do their thing. They're here January, February, March. Can they purchase a threemon pass to to do every day? Would be very expensive. And I understand that they simplified it and um went to that six-month membership,
but may maybe something shorter term would be convenient for our, you know, longer term rentals, but short-term guests. >> Yes. And and perhaps even to take that so you maybe buy a week or or something
like that, but also what Bev is doing at Meyer side and offer that to all the short-term rentals and say do the same thing. buy a handful of them and then you tell your guests, >> you know, it comes with membership to this beautiful place. That's a an added
benefit. They can charge for it or not if they want, but then if you don't turn that tag back in, you're going to pay a $250 fee or something. >> So, do we all agree we um that we want to add a weekly, monthly, threemonth,
and a corporate rate onto this? So we just to I'm going to send all you all this just but I want to kind of go through it. We did have annual, seasonal, weekly indiv and we had individual and family for each one of these categories. Um
monthly adult day pass, child day pass, annual memberships for family and individual. Um corporate rates, there's a plan one with one to 10 res. I'll let you read it, but it does break everything we're talking
about down. I'm okay with going back to that >> by resident and non-resident. >> Um, see, that's the thing. They were just going off of if you were a member if you bought a membership. And then we went to we need to give the residents a better
deal than people coming off island. So, that's when we got into the one you're currently looking at where it says resident. This one just says current fee. So that was across the board whether you're a resident or you were coming from >> How do you define Whoops. How do you find season? >> That would have to be We'd have to define that like three months.
>> Three months. Okay. I like that better than season. >> Yeah, I do too cuz that's tough to define. >> I agree. And also, you know, just to keep it less complicated, you could say resident, you know, 15% off or 20 whatever whatever that number is. And then then you've got a fee, but there's
a understanding or it's unwritten or a written >> discount. Actually, we wouldn't even use the We would even It should just be a straight fee because if they're looking for a day, weekly, monthly, three-month court, but we're going to assume they're not a resident. >> Absolutely. >> Um, I wouldn't say that. >> It could be a grandchild. It could be uh
someone that doesn't live in a household, but >> they still wouldn't be a resident. >> They might be. They might have somebody visiting and want to go play basketball, >> but they're not They wouldn't be a resident >> for the Well, the They could be though, right?
>> Okay. I guess I think it'll be minimal minimal, but I'm trying to figure out >> I just don't want to I I want to and I guess just to be clear, I want the resident fees to be >> less >> less. >> Mhm. >> Absolutely. >> And not not like maybe 5%. I'm talking like I think >> and non-resident for these should be
higher. >> It was this one is for an individual this year was half. >> Yeah, pretty much. They're all half like >> So then 50%, >> you know, just >> Yeah, we could do that. >> It just simplifies things. >> Yeah, absolutely. So, there'd be a non-resident and a resident rate for
each of these, >> correct? Like it is now, but yeah, different same format as you're looking at and here, but I'm trying to look at the youth sports camps where 10 youth youth sports soccer little league was no charge.
So, >> I know they've added it, taken away. I just wanted to make sure it was in there again. I'm okay. Not that it exists right now, but if it does, I do not think they could afford it. >> No. And the other thing we could do to offset that is um the town does have a a banner program. We could go around to businesses and put banners on the fence.
>> Well, I noticed that you put the banners on there and that used to be their number one fundraiser. So, that would be taken away from them to begin with. So, >> who >> we use the banners on the back of the field for little league and soccer to raise money. So, if you're using the banners now for yourself, that of course would take away from them to be able to
make any money at that to use for their field revenue. I think we decided if I remember actually it's been a while since I think there's been a is there still active? I don't even >> anyway but if it was >> most of it >> and hopefully it will be again I'm like we have a team now that we got down here
>> that's going to be twice a week and play some games and I >> mean typically the little league or the soccer club whoever is using at the time would sell their banners and put them up on the out fac of the field. We'd raised no money that way. Now I see that you've added it to your fee schedule. >> It was always in the even this one there was >> Yeah. never seen in the past when when
we used to have the leagues there. So, they won't be able to, you know, make money at that. So, they'll be aware of that being the new fee schedule. So, >> yeah. And like I said, it it's been it was in this one, I think, too. So, we have always had a we just always had little league there that had a a pretty predominant program. So,
>> I think but I think now even with it's it was our sponsors and then the other ones could put them on the sides. >> Yep. Even flag football, we'd get sponsors for Bay Oaks and we put them on the back side. So, >> yeah. Yeah. And I I I've talked to a few people on that my son plays with and they had older kids that played flag football down there. They said it was
great. Like I would love to get those kind of >> becoming very popular again. And and usually the when you ran it here, it was filled every year. There was a waiting list. >> Yes. >> And it was 50 plus. >> I would absolutely love to get those things going again. I mean >> give it time. >> Yeah. No, I I realize that.
>> So Erin did this report for us last year. I found in my notes. So on average, and she did a comparison which was Lee County Parks and Recre, there's two of them, three in Bonita and the rest in Santael. So off the top of my head reading this individual is $10, not
seven. And um >> for residents, >> Mhm. >> What do they offer though? That's my question. Uh that includes um so it includes pickle balls including this membership or everything but classes and
events includes a weight room, some fitness classes, pickle ball, pool, tennis and events. >> Yeah, that's right. I remember looking at those but we we charge for fitness as well like fitness classes. So we have it a little different. Correct. >> So I did look at that list. I remember actually what you're talking about now. Okay.
>> And we did look at those and what does that facility offer versus what do we offer? We don't have that. As much as it's a big facility and everything, we just don't have that much space to offer, you know, so >> nor do we have the staff to run those um
you know, the classes like Annie does and her yoga and stuff. So, we don't have the staff to do that. >> So, again, I I know you have I think we have two issues going on here. One is the budgeting and one is what do we communicate to the residents? And I still recommend that the concession
stand that we don't have um the pool store beverages and pool be taken off the website that we have offer any of these services until we put them back on. >> Well, we well to actually we can't right now because we can't go to council and ask them to take them off. >> Yep. It's not that easy.
>> We can put a disclaimer on there probably, but >> Okay. C can we for the purposes of um everything we've discussed today look at a line item whether it's just kept open because I know it's it's you know we're really trying to figure it out but like
after hours residents so that even so that we just begin to get think start to think about the data start to think about who who would actually buy something like that um learn about it more get feedback at a
minimum um And uh it's going to help justify either a FOB system or a staff system if we can get some momentum in numbers. >> I mean, we have attendance numbers from like after certain hours. I mean, we can tell you when they when they clocked in
because they fob in. So, >> right. But I'm talking I'm I'm circling back to the fee schedule and just putting a line in there after after hours residents just to start the process, plant the idea, keep it positive, keep it
>> keep it front and center. >> That's what I kind of brought up is we'll need to set that >> right >> um those fees if we're going to be potentially doing that in the future, >> right? And we may not be able to this budget go around. It can be zero if if that's that's >> or it can be ratified. We can go to a council meeting,
>> right? >> But we want to put something. >> Yeah. Even if it's zero. >> I'm gonna I'll do some research on the additional charge for the FOB system and I'll I'll get that over to you. >> Yeah. I'd appreciate if everyone would um just give me some feedback on the whole fee schedule. >> Yeah. But just get getting that line
item in, I think, is just the beginning. What regardless of how it's done, it's the beginning. >> And it it could be Yeah, it could be after hours per hour. or it could be after hours per membership because we do have, you know, sometimes teen nights and those things
that we try to do at night too. So, which I don't think Neil reported on it, but we had a fantastic teen night. Um, there was a lot down a lot 13. >> Yeah. Well, we had 12 >> 12. So, I mean that that was pretty good in our summer program. You know, we're up to 40 registrations, something like
that. So, >> which is where we were last summer. So, definitely picked up. I actually had a question about that. The um the registrants and I absolutely respect privacy, but like are a lot of them um
island kids? >> No, >> the 12 are >> uh >> most of the 12 are >> um there was I talked to um >> Marcia, she said that about you could probably answer that, but I think there was like three or four kids that were off island. >> Yeah, there was a couple friends that
signed up um but I think nine or 10 of the kids were island kids. Uh, and then as far as for summer camp, I would say gosh, probably about 25 30%. The rest are off island as far as like the 40.
>> Again, give it time. But I think >> these team programs lead to lifeguard training, >> right? These teen programs and that kind of level of engagement uh lead to, you know, scuba diving, learn your basics in the pool, get your initial licenses, you know, all all these different things. So
it's such an important >> right there. Lifeguard training. Yes, it is. But >> that's why I got I kind of laughed over. >> You can't have that without a deep pool though. >> Well, yeah, cuz we had Jimmy actually Dilia was an he could certify as an instructor. So he would we could take people to a different pool and get them
certified. So >> yeah, but it would be great if it happened. >> I'm going to send I'm going to send Neil this and he can send it out to you. >> She's walking by right now. Tracy, right? Where are your kids right now? >> Bay Oaks. The staff's got their kids over there. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, we're always hoping for more kids. I've always worked in youth programs. I've always used worked with youth. Um, >> it's always been a passion of mine, and I want to see how many we can get back, too. Just we got to manage
all of it, the whole picture. And it would be nice for me to say I want to get all these things going, but it's also my job to make sure we can afford it. So, um, I it's just the kind of my slap in the face reality is I don't want to be the Debbie Downer all the time,
but it's my job to >> to make sure everything's going to work. >> So, >> and so the kids are understand that the fee schedule that they can always come and look for a scholarship and ask. >> Yep. We still have that. And that's one of the things on the wish list is extra money for scholarships. >> Yep.
>> For uh, you know, for field trips, those kind of things. So, >> uh, one thing to mention, we have kind of not partnered, but, um, we were over at the library for the month that we were closed with some of the repairs. Um, so I want to just so it's on the record, give a shout out to Liz over
there and her staff at the library for letting us use the third floor for our after school program that whole time. Um, and then we're also going over, they're doing movies on Fridays. So, we're taking the kids over there for summer camp and they're doing some craft days that they've let us bring the kids
over there. So, it's it's been really nice working with them and getting involved with the library a little bit more with the kids. >> Yeah. >> Um the other thing that Michelle and I emailed about yesterday and I I'll just bring up because she wanted some information um were on stadium lights
for the ball field. Um we did get a quote in 2023 for about 200,000. That was just the equipment. Um, we have that didn't include running all the electric to it or getting it a new system in uh
in the room. Plus, our switch gear, we'd actually have to increase it because we only rebuilt the switch gear at the time because it was an emergency purchase to open Bay Oaks. >> Yeah, it had to be Debbie Downer with those lines underground are shot. >> They're all gone. They've been ripped out. >> Yeah, they were already shot, too. So,
so they Oh, yeah. And of course they took the poles out which was a lot of that cost because I think that original quote from Musco did not include poles if I remember correctly. So >> to take them down. >> No they were going to use the existing ones I believe. So >> yeah at that point. >> So that's going to increase the cost
exponentially too. Um but also to figure out some way that we can run those lights past 9:00 or they're useless to us. >> Yeah. So I was going to kind of go into that. What I what I told Michelle is that, you know, if if we do the standard white lights, then they have to be turned off at during
>> But there's also a code that is required for fields to be lit in order to play a game. >> Of course. Yes. >> So, it's a double killer. >> It was like I was when I first started like we couldn't have anything at night cuz we have to shut them off. But if we did kids in the field and literally >> I've been researching turtle friendly
stadium lights, but >> there has to like an oxymoron. >> I know. But unfortunately, I mean, >> any sports league when that 8:00 I mean it used to be 9 >> and then they changed it to dusk. >> Yeah. >> Well, there's not we're in baseball season and we try to have a game in Fort
Myers Beach and we can't have one because the lights go off and they won't let us have one. So, it's kind of sucks to have a league where you can't play a game in your own home field except for the weekends. >> If we had lights, the the Diamond Dogs that's playing now could join a league and that could be their home one and they could play night games, too. But
right now there's no lights so they can't even and that was the same with little league is they couldn't play they couldn't that couldn't be their home site because it didn't have lights. So it would be different. We would go uh we would go from uh six to four now that with the new technology and brightness
but I don't know what turtle friendly lighting would be on a baseball field is >> or even communication between the timings. Like for instance half the season that we were playing was already past this turtle. the nests were already gone. There wasn't any issues, but the communication wouldn't work back and
forth that we could leave them on because it was just that rule. If the rule was a little bit different as to where if there wasn't an emergency, there was no nest on this end and it was okay, >> then we could. But there's no communication and it's just yes or no. And that is not a good answer for when
pe when the residents or the children want to use these fields at night and when they're shutting them off when half the kids are still out in the field and having to run to the car and the blinding not even see where they're going, you know. So it it's dangerous. It needs to be cured and hopefully we
can come up with a lights that somehow are allowed to keep on or we got some negotiation back and forth with turtle time that during a time that is okay we can use them because otherwise it's it's pointless. I agree with you and that's what I said is if we do the white lights which I mean for the for the price that
>> it would probably be around >> I would say anywhere from 300,000 to 600,000. We have a quote for um what was the other one? 635 that we weren't going to entertain because we had the Musco one. But um it
went all the way up to like 635,000 just for the lights and standard close to a million for the poles and the lights to be able to. But the but the main issue is when can we have them on? >> So >> Michelle, I have a a another question for you. When you were before council
the other day, you were talking about some of the programs and the globe by the Gulf. >> We're saying that they need power. Um is that something you're in communication with, Jeff? Is that something now? >> If we have some money left in the park
impact fees, we can definitely put that back in. I mean, I've been to a lot of festivals. They just they just use generators, too. >> Okay. I just didn't know what timing and our budget coming up. >> As long as you guys are in contact. I remember you saying you needed power. >> Again, we're going to have to go through the process. So, it's going to be
>> Couldn't you just run out of the room with the power in it there next to the concession stand? We could, but if there's >> depends on 20. >> Well, um I guess the what I would request if the quotes that old is if the town would
please put remember we have power based on where the location of the old town hall was. So there's still power right there. >> That got that >> it's not connected to the Yeah, that's gone now. It's not connected to the trans. >> I thought that was still there. That's why we had to move the pickle ball court.
>> There's some there currently. We have we haven't pulled it all yet, but it's not connected to the transformer. We had we had way to disconnect it from the transformer. We could always do that right across the street from there. >> We actually put one an additional one in there. So, >> I was going to request that the town put pricing together for the ba uh baseball
field and the main field if you could get what it would take to put power in those two areas. >> Sure. >> With the balance of the turtles, please. >> Yeah. And and the the the coastal line runs through there, too. So, we'd have to take that into account.
>> Correct. Yes. But if you would put that on the check on so that we know what we're dealing with as we move forward. >> Uh, meanwhile, yes, we have told um we want to know what the cost is, but I have a feeling what's going to come back with. They've all been warned that they need lights. They're going to need
generators. Yeah, we yeah the town can give them plenty of companies because we had to use a lot of >> if there is any way that we can get even some if there is power out there in that main area and that can be fed easily at a lower cost excluding the lights then
yes we should pro we should consider that >> it can certainly be done I don't know at what cost like to your point >> for just power there for any for these large events they're going to need power so >> and I have to see if that okay I'll I'll I'll call FPNL see it too if Cuz have to
be fee schedule. >> What >> would that have to be on the fee schedule? >> I was just going to say, well, if we have power, there's two different fees. Do you need power? You pay this much. >> If you need water, you pay this much. Correct. You'll pay additional fees for
using the power and water. So, there would be a fee for that. Absolutely. >> Sure. >> Oh, yeah. Just to to bring that up because I know that was that's on our wish list, too. um or are possible donated to us list. Um so we we're going
to keep updating that as staff as we see the needs or that come up through this. Um >> and then that's something that you know obviously we'll we'll go to the the friends board and ask what they would like to fund or want to fund raise for. Um you know they might want to like I
have a lot of experiences with MoundHouse. You know we we bring Karina brings to them all the time stuff they want to pay for. they can decide to or not to. Um or they can choose to fundra for it or have fundraising events towards that. So, uh it does work. Uh I
think Karina's and well, Adam and Allison did a great job of coming, um to the board meetings and asking as we go. Um we should really be doing a one I know it doesn't always work this way, but after the budget's up, we we'll have to come up with something to present to
the friends um to make up some of those costs. >> Yeah. So, we'll come to to the board. The board can vote uh what they want to fund raise for and what they think the timeline would be, and then that's how we can fund some of these extra things. >> All right. We then we have a couple of
new um people that joined, but we go into committee member reports, and this is where you can bring up any additional items that we were not on the agenda that you want to talk about. >> Uh Rebecca, I'll start. Do you have anything? Oh, John. Is the the outdoor
workout fitness court is that regularly being maintained now after we talked about it >> because it's >> it needs the growing season right now, but stuff's growing through all those tiles again. >> Yeah. Yeah. We'll have >> not that appealing to >> I'll mention to
Jim to just keep an eye on it again and he's doing his best. >> There's no hope to cover it. >> Yeah, that's going to be part of what we just talked about. two shade sales, one for the pickle ball courts, one for the for the fitness court. >> We'll keep that on the volunteer list to
clean that area up. Anything else, John? >> N Rick, >> um I worked up those phases that I so you can pass it down if you want take one. And uh I know I didn't send it in, but I figured you could at least look at between now and the next meeting. And uh
I just worked it up into three phases like I we had talked and uh what I thought uh would cost the first phase, second phase, and third phase. I did not include the cost for the pool cuz I figured that was already um taken care of or I didn't know the exact budget on it. But uh >> um I did include FA I did go when I
looked at the building, I looked at some other components of it and I did notice that the sophet got hitten by the salt pretty bad during the storm and are completely rotted out in some sections. And so along with the roof, unfortunately, a lot of the building itself from the middle up has to be replaced also. So I did include a
little bit of cost extra for um doing that. And you did uh I didn't get the quote from you yet, but you did tell me you were going to get it to me. So if you get a chance, I wanted to look at the installation cost versus the roofing cost. >> I do have been looking at we're trying to get the company to send us a new one. >> I have another company that's very interested in trying to bid it if they
if they could. So um if you're interested, you know, let me know and I can send them your way. Um >> yeah, it would be just first of all identifying the funds and then we can >> My concern was schedule on that. So I'd like to see what um you did as a scope of work for that because ripping that
roof off is kind of critical, guys, because what we're doing is ripping off the outer shell of the building, which means exposing everything inside of it for a certain period of time. So it's going to be a lot of work back and forth with actually staff and the contractor to be able to keep all this equipment and everything inside safe from the
weather, things like that. So, I'd like to make sure that that's broken down in the uh when you send that quote out to them that they understand how important it is to protect the equipment that's inside, especially the weight room and things like that in that new floor. So, cuz yeah, it's it's from what I'm estimating probably a 3-week job to be
able to rip that roof off and replace the entire roof and reinsulate it. So that means also transitioning let's say the after school or somebody that's going to be in there at that time is going to be transitioned like the library or something like that or a portable building that we could put up there something like that. So it is
going to be something that's going to have to be very tight scheduled very controlled. >> Can I interrupt for a second? >> Sure. >> Did we confirm is the roof shot? >> It's it it's been recommended to replace
it still does leak. Um, we've been doing temporary band-aids on it. It's It's not in great shape. It leaks by the where the sound system is. Um, it really could be definitely redone and it should be if we're looking at rebuilding Bay Oaks,
you start at what needs to be repaired on the grounds and that's kind of what I started with with phase one was repairing what we have because it's more important to repair what we have than to move forward and try to build new buildings and not have a decent structure of what we do. So the utilities, the underground, the building itself to me were the more important
things because those are what we're using now. Um and then of course prepare for what the future might be and that's you know um budget the staff extra hours because we all talked about how important that was today. Um you guys all talked about the marketing and awareness being very important to you
and and then of course to look at the original design because some of you said that you didn't like the original design where it was things like that. Um, so phase one would be to look at that and make sure we don't want to make any changes to it. Um, and then of course go into phase two, which would be the most important, which I think he's might
already have half st, which would be to add the multi-use soccer and baseball field or softball and baseball field and the field lights, which I think you talked about how are important, too. So phase phase one is kind of already what we're into in my book. You know, we're kind of into it. We just don't have the money to do it, but those are the ideas.
Phase two is what we're moving into. And then phase three would be in the future. What we strive for is put in that building that we decided in 2017 to build to get it built up to be part of the community and and look good, you know, look fit the community and and and and have a good place for us to meet and
have recreation and you know that FOB system in a building like that would be obviously more easily done because we could put them bathrooms right next to that workout room and things like that. So, so all those problems could be solved in the long run with the final phase. So, so that's how I kind of look
at it. I know that, you know, the costs are are kind of a a guess because, you know, not I don't really have the quotes that sent me, but realistically, you know, to get past these two first phases, I think we could do it in under three two three years and then look at the final phase of starting the
engineering and work on that and put that into a 10 to 15 year uh time frame. But something that, you know, the community can be proud of, you know, just like we had planned originally. I don't think we need to drop them plans. I think we just need to focus on how we're going to get there and plan for
it, prepare for it. You know, in phase one, I also prepared >> the lines underground, the electrical, things like that because I know that those are the most important things that we're going to need in phase three, take care of in phase one. We won't have to worry about them in phase three. They'll be there ready for us. So, so that's kind of where I got it. So, um, the only
other thing I I I don't think I have much more to mention other than I still prefer the deep water pool and I prefer the uh the uh lifeguards being trained in deep water just for safety purposes. I'd feel more comfortable that way. So, that was kind of the reason I pressed
that preference. And I didn't really think about that until John had given the depth and then I started thinking that I swim that pool quite a bit because I'm a triathlete. I train um quite a bit in there if I can because it's a great lap pool. Um, and yeah, those are things that uh I I would definitely I didn't think about it until
he said it and then I'm like, "Yeah, you know, I I use that depth." Yeah. And there's a certain amount of wave action that happens when you have a shorter pool that doesn't happen when you have a deeper pool, too. So, as you're swimming on the surface, it does make a big difference. And I know a lot of people don't understand that, but it really
does when you're training. So, so I understand why he went that way, and it really that changed my mind. So, that's all I got for today. have >> um well I don't have a lot because uh I I've learned so much today. Thank you. >> Congratulations by the way.
>> Thank you for Yeah. >> Um I I wanted to just comment on the social activity membership um recruitment that I've been seeing online. We're seeing we're seeing you know join ba bay oaks. Um I I've
seen it. I don't know, maybe I just noticed it this week, but but there's a lot of postings now and I'm trying to share what I find. And I just want to encourage all of us um to do the same. If you come across something to to press that share button and encourage
everybody in the community to do the same. Um, a lot of people don't even know about Bay Oaks, which which um which is uh an opportunity uh for them to to uh to explore. And so I think
social media is is a key way to do it. So please everybody keep it up. Um I wanted to just touch on uh the what's up FMB. they uh currently have every second week something called Zen and it's out
on the beach and uh where the um hold on I've got this written down uh where the flamingo exit is um in the south end here um and it's meditation and uh it's it's lovely but I I highlight that
because I really believe that anything that that is health and wellness illness be has a place and that that it should be at a minimum a discussion, you know, um especially now that um the Millers are going to be
neighbors in the neighborhood of of Bay Oaks um to explore those opportunities and um and be more neighborly in terms of where they are in their planning and that sort of thing. Um there may be some
opportunities there. Um, and uh, just, you know, thanks to the garden club for being there this week. It's great. And, uh, love to see more involvement from nonprofits. Um, we have we have, uh, lovely nonprofits on the island and get
them more involved in the volunteering at Bay Oaks. >> Exactly. And that that might be something to, Michelle, is to reach out to the garden club and see if they want to assist because they we use they're a good friend to us. So >> yeah,
>> um we have before we were on here, we always talked about and we'll come back on it, but we've had a lot of discussions regarding how do we maybe look at moundhouse and friends and collaborating better with them even maybe on memberships like if you buy
this membership you can get a little discount on this one or something. So we're we've talked about I think there's opportunities there. Thank you and welcome >> Tina. >> I don't have anything else to say right now. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, I did not prepare a report or anything fancy ahead of time, but I did do some research. Um, think about all at the end of the day, what is Bay Oaks? It is a recreational facility. It It's focused on families. It's focused on residents, right? And
and and the kids. And we all agree that we we love the kids. We want them to be a part of everything. We have the events for the kids. What do the kids like? Bounce houses. Bounce houses are a part of like all of the events that we do. And and we're renting these bounce
houses. Like we don't own the bounce houses. Um and again, I know that budget is a situation. Maybe that's something we talk to the friends about if we have the storage and if we can get an insurance rider or it's like all okay
with the town attorney. Let's buy some commercial bounce houses like get the princess castle or the like Spider-Man thing or whatever the kids like and maybe we save on the rental fees for those bounce houses. Um, something I've
also thought about too, um, not knowing what it's going to look like afterwards. And again, knowing that we have to think about drainage and engineering, can we add some shelters, some picnic shelters for people that they could rent and, you
know, have your family picnics there, have your reunions, your events, your birthday parties, whatever that is. rent the Boutton's house along with your shelter and there you go. Um something that we have to think about with that, you know,
what would those fees look like? I don't know. Um I know just from my Google searches that a midsize pavilion would be anywhere between 45 and $70,000 to construct according to the internet. Um
>> the con with that being what would the the benches look like? you know, the picnic tables, those park benches. Does that contribute to a homeless situation? Does that require extra fencing? I don't know. Um, but it is something to
think about. And also, should we be talking to the friends about getting a memorial bench or maybe the naming rights for a shelter for Betty Simpson that we had talked about in the past?
>> That's what I've got. Can I just comment that uh you know the idea of bounce houses and things like that this is where shared partnerships with the moundhouse could perhaps come into play where you know what's what's used at one facil a tent you know like whatever these
things that could go back and forth to these two facilities. >> Yeah. Again, I think that might be a storage issue as well and responsibility like and again I don't have all the answers with it but >> we lost three sheds.
>> Seven. There was actually seven garages on Bay Oaks at one time. >> Really? >> Seven. >> Oh yeah. Cuz we had the carports and we had Yeah. cuz I used to always try and get you to build one up like she wants, you know, one above ground for storage because we need one eventually in that
plan in that building. There needs to be a storage area for like things like she says um because you had seven at one time and now zero after Ian like a couple years maybe a year and a half after Ian like can we put storage up
>> in Bay Oaks like higher like a loft. Um we could it would just be >> Yeah, you'd have to build a name. >> So I'm going to jump in real quick. So, I'm going to give my member I have to this uh moving from one to the other. Okay. So, I'm coming on as a member report. So, now I can talk about friends of Bay Oaks. So, um I actually attend
the Friends of Bay Oaks meeting. I'm a member prior to this so I can give updates following this on there. First of all, the the request was asked again if Neil could attend those meetings. I think we went back and forth whether or not he could do that. Um but >> I would prefer not because they are not
a town entity. >> Okay, that's fine. just then um we uh that's what I thought. >> I mean I would love to I want to work with the friends as much as >> he could come in as a speaker. Correct. >> He could come in and give an update if they request him to come in. Sure. >> Okay. >> All right. Just for the record um I just
want to be clear as well because I spoke to Nancy about this. So you are the chair here but you are just a member of friends. Just for the record you're not a chair or president. Perfect. Because that is allowed. >> Correct. >> Yep. Thanks. I wanted we made sure that
we're all checked. So, we even had we took off I'm sorry I I hate to be like this, but we took off the friends report on the moundhouse. We used to do it every every meeting and we we were kind of advised to take it off to not blur the lines. >> Yeah. >> So, I think if like if Karen would love
to come in, she can give a blurb. >> Absolutely. >> Um >> absolutely. Karen was out of town. The only one thing I'm telling you to say is we now have a form that we can that they put their want list together. Now this is a form that they have supplied to us
of our wants. So you fill this out. >> Whose huh? >> Our wants. >> Yep. And then you give this to the friends. They asked me to bring this to you. So I will be they approved it today and they want I thought that was great news. You go through and you put your justification, how much it is, put the
quotes and you send it to their board and then their board reviews it. >> Yep. And then well we'd we'd ask for some time at one of their meetings. So, we'd contact Karen and just say, "Can we have some time?" And she can say yes or no. >> And then that's when we would give our proposals. >> Correct. So, that form will be um
emailed out >> and yeah, the friends will be giving updates, but um both of their presidents are out at the head of Leap Town. So, >> yeah, I just want I just don't want your line to be blurred um reporting >> and does that make sense? >> Absolutely. But this is
>> we cleaned that up pretty good at Mount House and I want to just keep that that going. This is our form, >> which is going great, by the way. >> This is our form. So, okay. >> All right. Do we have anything else? >> Last thing I want to add. Um, I don't know if anybody else gave blood this morning um at the bus at Bay Oaks. I
did. And I got this shade for my car. It's pretty neat. I was going to say everyone should go down there, but it's 2:22 and um that's already over. >> Yeah. >> Michelle, are you going to be speaking at the next two council meetings? cuz we're not going to be back till August.
Do you need an agenda for the meetings? >> Um, yes. >> So, what topics would you like for her to discuss with the town council at the next meeting? >> Uh, well, you'll have to set your agenda for the next meeting for a board cab and then >> then if she wants to talk Yeah. she
should have an agenda that you guys approve that she talks to council with. So, it's all approved that what she says is agreeable with your board. >> Right. Correct. >> Yep. Michelle, I might take this time if it's okay with you just to give you all a heads up. Um, I'm not sure how much you
follow some of the other other advisory committees, but there's been a beautiful process put in place. Chris King did an excellent job coming up with almost a manual so that as new members come and go, everybody has something that tells
you what's your role, how do you interact with council, you know, just kind of the howto. Um, >> that'd be great. >> I I think it's good for continuity. So, we had talked about that before and Chris King took it upon herself to do that for the Anchorage Committee. John
McClean took the next step and said, "I'll work with this. I'll talk to Nancy." They talk to HR and it's something that we've all recommended that all the advisory committees get. >> That'd be a good idea. >> Everyone's kind of singing to the same himnil. So, a part of that would
probably be letting you know that you have to do sunshine training, what you can and can't do. >> You were a little late for the meeting. They came in and said that they're going to be attending our meeting in September and reviewing that all with us. >> Perfect. Good. and I apologize for being late. That's all right. Yeah, she came
in and introduced herself to everybody and said that they I believe did she say the September meeting or October? >> I think they'll get to in September. >> September the September that she would be attending the meeting and taking us through all of that. So, >> yeah, it just helps out everyone. It's not it's not necessarily ours or
Moundhouse that that we run. It's it's across the board. There's lines that legally we have to follow and they just want to go over that, make them pretty standard. Then I believe that with the agenda, we're going to keep the same three items that we have, which is we need to
continue discuss the pool um and new events, programming ideas, and the I think we need to go through the fee schedule again. >> Yep. >> Do we have anything else that we'd like to add? >> The fee schedule might have to be >> I'm going to add the FOB.
>> Yeah. the fee schedule might have to be kind of an emailed one out and so it might be a little bit of back and forth between Neil and I and you individually because you obviously you won't be able to talk about it. So, um if you if you give me your recommendations, we can send those out.
You just can't discuss it outside of this meeting, I guess. So, I think we want to get the the fee schedule done sooner than later >> to to add it in. Um because we'll have to do a financial impact on that before budget season. So, >> all right. So, anybody who um if if you
want to give your feedback for the fees, email them over to staff. >> Yeah. And I just I I gave it to Neil's. He's got your a mass email for you guys. So, he he's got the ones from 202122, I believe it is, that has all the fees on it. So, you should be getting that
today. >> I had one more question and it's uh not related to this. Um what was the financial impact of being closed for a month with the whole electrical issue? Do we know >> how much do we save or lose?
>> Both. Like I I'm not sure >> because technically we should have saved. >> Yeah. >> Is something we don't have numbers for now? I understand. But um I'm curious >> what was the electrical bill? Was it just a short to pull a whole new cable?
>> So when they u pull all they had to actually they put it above ground. >> Okay. So when FMIT came in uh during the last storm, they only replaced from the floor up to about 5T.
So and we Yeah, I know. Don't Anyway, so now we're still running into issues um from that. So we pulled the wire from Sorry. Uh we pulled the wire from underneath. Now you you'll see it in the conduit
above um going to the electrical rooms uh there. So yeah, it just we we we found that in a number of places and um you know after the storm, oh we knew it, but everything it should be marine grade. I'm like yeah, >> that's one kind of what I put in phase
one because I realize that there's still probably issues that are going to have to be dealt with. Plus if you're adding more power to another building or power to the areas that she needs, it's going to have to be updated. Yeah, we're going to have to redo the switch gear, I think, and up update that in the concession stand. >> Yeah.
>> Another thing I think we should probably look at and it is revenue related. Um, we may be losing some money, some tax dollars. Um, especially if the whole property tax reform goes through at the state level. How would we make that up?
And um what would be the impact of that? And um how does that affect long-term plans? >> That's a lot of bake sales. >> It's a lot of bake sales and t-shirts. >> All right. I do have to run. I have another meeting at 2 2:30. But thank you all, but you guys can discuss. >> I was going to
>> and I can talk a little bit about that because we did actually have a meeting with staff just to >> with Will to kind of like reiterate. >> I'm in the same boat that I have to I buzz to another meeting, but I'd like to add the budget as one of the budget. I so we can review where we're at with all this for the next meeting.
>> If we don't set up an agenda for you, you can't speak in the council meetings either. >> Correct. >> Speak at another. >> Uh do you have any other topics you want on there? I have the FOB, um the the budget, the um pool,
uh the new events programming, and then the we have the fee schedule. Is there anything else we want on there? um can't think of any what what uh you go through it again. >> So I kept all the items we have on the current agenda. >> Okay. >> So we've got the bayax the pool and the
strategic planning. So anything related to the that we currently have on the strategic plan and if you put any additional items onto it and send it to staff then it becomes an agenda item. >> Okay. >> So we've got then the I'm keeping the
fee schedule on here. We need to re >> No, I'm we're just what you what you're going to discuss with council. We're supposed to approve it before you go to council. So, we're kind of >> uh that' be the third one and then the FOB and then we've gotten them budget. So, at the next one, um I would discuss
the pool input that we just discussed. uh continue to talk about the events and programming >> to the deeper length and >> yeah I'm going to basically follow the same thing and just keep you know pushing this the same items >> right >> at the at whatever level they're at. So if I get some feedback on the FOB I'll
push back on wherever it's currently at. >> Um so just we'll just keep pushing that way. >> Okay. And also I would encourage on the FOBs situation if we could increase the hours that could also help part of the problem because like I say with the FOBs is one answer but the children don't have an answer.
>> So the hours have to increase somehow. The FOB system is great but it doesn't help everybody. >> I don't disagree with you Rick but right now I mean >> I think we got an answer up there. He told us that he could come up with a price per hour and we could go looking for that. So I think that's a good answer and I think that's something
>> that absolutely that can be an option. Y >> still going to push for that still doesn't change the people that work here on the island that want to get in there between the hours 4 and 5 out. I I understand their issue because I understand that having the entire center
open is it different than just having a workout gym open and it puts the whole town recreation center if something happened to it then the whole center is gone instead of just the workout room. Don't disagree. Just keeping the momentum going towards making sure we
check off all the >> box systems work. My friend had a fob system that with cameras the problem is and he had systems where even with the fobs people could go in with someone else's fob or the door situation happened with him once. I mean it wasn't every time but it does somewhat time
sometimes happen. So with that situation we have to come up with some way that we can limit our liability. You know what I mean? and what's going to happen as far as damage if they do get in there and destroy to destroy every piece of equipment and then where do we go from there? So, >> do the due dil
>> I'd like to put on the agenda uh um tangible benefits tangible benefits are are are being discussed constantly in the community um and uh interpretations to that. I'd like to add that buying
having a membership at Bay Oaks is a tangible benefit for any new build um modeled on the same model that my side has uh has done and that is every unit um h has a membership. I'd like to see this committee look at this concept of
um tangible benefits and and communicate to council because ultimately they they're going to decide what tangible benefits are. You're going to let's I'm going to put it on as an agenda item. >> That way we can talk about it at the next meeting and then come up with a summary and decide what to say to
council because based on that I wouldn't have anything to be able to say. But let's talk about it at the next meeting. Come up with what we want to say. And it may be something. It doesn't need to be me in front of council. It can be you. >> Great. >> So >> great. >> It can be whoever you know is the
subject level of it. Just remember when you go into front council that you're either speaking for yourself or you're speaking for the entire council. So you have to represent whatever all of us agree upon. >> Absolutely. If you're speaking for us or if you're speaking for yourself then you need to specify when you go up in front
that I'm speaking as a me not as a member but as a private citizen. If you're speaking as a member then you have to represent all of us and all of our opinions. So we should vote on those things so that when you go in and actually speak on them, we've actually said these are the items that you're going to speak on and those are the subjects which we want you to talk
about. So >> So I'd like to address that, Rick. Um just one of the things that I noticed here. I think um maybe what we need to do is get a little organization so that we make sure that everyone is speaking so that we do you know motions and then
a second and then we make sure every person has a a chance to discuss then you take a vote. That's how the other committees do it. That way everyone in the group has a vote to say yes or no put it on the agenda or on next week's
agenda. It just makes sure that everything's handled in the same way. And then Rick, to your point, when Michelle comes, she will speak at a certain time at the council meeting, and that is advisory board comments. She can also speak a public comment, which is a
different opportunity. And everyone would know that is Michelle the citizen, >> which is what I did at the last meeting, which is what she did at the last. I did public comment, which was Michelle resident, and then I came back up and talked about board cap. So it is it is the process but I I think we should go through the making motions too about all
the different things. Bev you had some good ideas. >> So you should make a motion to have that >> first discussion. Someone says a second because they like your idea. >> Then every member has an opportunity to talk. Then you take a vote on which way you want to go forward. Go to council.
Put it on next week's agenda. >> Yeah. The sunshine laws don't mean much if we never make motions and votes. So we kind of >> we kind of have to we're not even under sunshine rules if we don't make a motion to vote. So >> how is that going to work for us with the fee schedule given they need this information so quickly.
>> So that that's going to be a challenge. Yes. So um what what I heard Jeff say though is if you get your input to him, you have to do it individually. You can't copy each other. He'll take that and then he'll come back. Um, so but your next meeting you would have had to
say, "I want to make a motion to discuss this fee schedule." Someone would second it and then you'd have discussions and you'd come to agreements on the prices or whatever. >> If um I'm I'm wide open to doing that. That's not something we've done in the past. We basically all as a group agreed
what to put on the agenda >> unless we make >> Yeah. But I think what I'm saying is I think we need to move in that direction. Those are the >> requirements. I'm going to make a motion to approve the agenda items that we just talked about. I'll second it. >> I didn't have >> this is only I think my maybe my third
meeting in this position is taking over. So you just tell me. So I want to make a motion to approve that we are going to put the the strategic planning and pool new events programming park fee schedule the FOB the budget and tangible benefits on the agenda for the next meeting.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Anyone opposed? >> Is anyone opposed? >> That's supposed that's what you'll do. >> All right. Anyone opposed? >> All right. Then we'll approve and add
those items to the meeting. With that, do we have a vote to adjurnn? >> Do you want >> Do we want to set a >> Do you want to vote for your agenda for the meeting? >> That's what we did. That's what we set the agenda, I thought, >> or that was the agenda for the meeting. That's the that's the what we c that's
where I was confused. So those are the items that'll be discussed for the next meeting that we came out of here. Those I believe are both what >> those are both what can be discussed at the next board cap and what will be discussed in the next meeting as a
continued followup. >> Okay. So do we want to make a motion on what you're going to speak about at the council meeting? >> We can do that. What would you like me to talk to at the council meeting? >> You already made a list. just make the motion on it. >> I we just did a motion to
>> on the agenda. >> Well, that was on the And here's the tricky part. And so this will help when we get this manual, too, that everybody knows kind of how we run a meeting. Um and I'm learning that too, Michelle. You're you're not alone. Um but every topic that comes up, if there's uh if
you want to move it forward, someone >> Okay, we'll do a motion to approve. The items that we just put on as new business for the next meeting will also be the items that I will talk about excluding the fee schedule because I really don't think we'll have anything to talk about at the next board meeting.
Do I have a motion to approve? >> I'll make that motion. >> Do I have a second? >> All in favor? >> Approved. All right. The next meeting date is Wednesday, August 19th. We do not meet during the month of July.
And with that, uh, do we have an approval to adjurnn? A >> motion. >> A motion to approve. >> You're getting it. >> You're good there. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor? >> All right. Meeting is adjourned.