All right. It is Wednesday, March 18th at noon. We're going to go ahead and get this meeting started. Uh we will start off with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, we're going to go ahead and uh do a roll call, but I'll start off with a consensus. We've got John. It looks like you have some snow in the background there. uh to accept him on Zoom for this
meeting. Do I have a motion to approve? >> I'll move to accept John. >> Second. >> Second. >> All right. Um we'll go ahead and get started. >> Oh, we do we have to we have an
acceptance to let John join as Zoom. >> I I All in favor? I >> I >> All right, let's go ahead and do a roll call. Start off, Jeff. >> Yes. Go ahead, Rebecca. >> Rebecca Link, town council, >> Rick Larry,
>> Ed Skunover, >> Joyce Sullivan, Michelle Churnney, >> Barbara Hill, >> Annie Ne, >> and Jeff Hoggy. >> Great. Well, first thing we'll on the agenda is to approval of the minutes from January 21st. Do I have a motion to
accept? >> So move. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Approval of minutes passed. And next, do we have anybody here for public comment? >> Dawn, come on up.
>> Fleming, I've been here for 25 years. >> Approval of the minutes from January 21st. Do I accept? >> Is that favor? Uh, he's got a delayed reaction on his audio.
>> Podium. >> I'm sorry. Can you go to this? I'm sorry. >> That one. You might have to push the button. >> I've been here for 25 years. >> John, can you hear us? Give me a thumbs up if you can hear us. John, >> he's got a delayed. John, we need you to
go on mute cuz you've got a delayed reaction that's putting noise back in here. >> He has no clue. >> There he goes. >> No thumbs. >> It's like a kung fu movie.
>> Jeff, do you happen to have another pen? An extra pen? Oh, do you have an extra? >> John, can you hear us? >> Back to you. All right, I'm gonna Don, give it a shot again. >> Okay, I'm been here for 25 years, a resident. Um, I just want to thank you for the wonderful pickle ball courts we
have. Um, everybody is enjoying them and we have a ton of people out there, but I've gotten some questions to ask. So, we're wondering if you're going to be installing permanent fencing in between the courts. >> Yes, we will. That's kind of a we'll have to get on that. But, yeah, I I
noticed the ones that that they that we bought for it and that those aren't going to work that well. So, timing on that or anything? >> Um, no. We still got a contract. We'll have to have to do three quotes again, so it's going to be a little bit um to get that established. And then >> is it possible that we could get a water fountain out there?
>> Yes, that's in the plans. Um, we have to finish the park. U, so once we do that and we run irrigation and put in sod, we're going to run a water we actually have the fountain at the pool um kind of stored there. So, we have it. It's just got to get run and we have the that contract. The ITB is going to go out
hopefully early next week for the irrigation and then also include the watering uh the the uh drinking phone. >> Okay. Is it possible to replace the bleachers with picnic tables? >> That's also in the plans. That's a temporary fix over there. Um we want to
do a more of a structured pavilion uh almost maybe a shade sale a couple shade sales uh down there with some permanent seating, maybe picnic tables, those kind of things. But the bleachers were just came out. So, we had we and then we ordered the the it's actually a carport
uh to put in there for some shade. Otherwise, everyone would just be sitting out in the the heat of the sun. So, that's a temporary fix. We just once we've finished the the the park, those will be structures that go in. >> Okay. And is it possible get some hooks put on the poles for our bags? >> Yes.
>> Awesome. That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you, Don. Howie, any public comment? >> Oh, great. Thank you, Don. >> All right, Jeeoff, I'm gonna guess.
>> Oh, good. >> All right. >> Okay. Um, >> not getting the meeting feed, audio. Said he's not getting the the meeting feed, audio, or video. I just responded that we could see him.
>> It's like a Charlie Is it better than going? >> Is this good? Should have made popcorn. >> Yeah, >> we still have that machine from four years ago. >> Uh, we don't have that one, but we do have a new one. >> It's at Bay Oaks. You could want to make
us, huh? >> The meeting was at Bays. It would make a lot more sense so you could see what we were talking about. And it's because >> John, are you back? >> It's because the cameras don't work. We have the cameras here. All right, John,
give me a thumbs up. >> I can hear you now, but I can't see the meeting video. I just have a blank screen on your on your side. >> All right, but you can hear us. So, we're going to go ahead. >> Okay, good. Great. Thank you. All right, Jeff, I'm assuming you're going to do the report since Neil's out.
>> Yeah. Does anybody have any questions? I mean, we sent them out. I don't I think I know all of you good enough where your ability to read is pretty pretty good. So, um, and do you have any questions on them or any feedback?
>> I I would say, um, a couple of us, um, a group of us have been attending the cooking classes and they're phenomenal. >> Great. >> They are so much fun. Keep them coming. Um, they're a lot of fun. And I know that the boss I've heard just many much fun happening there also. So,
great job. Any other comments regarding the um report that Neil put together? >> All right. >> And just a reminder, this is also the report that goes in the town manager report every month that I I believe you can access online or on on our website.
Um so if you ever want to get it before our meeting. Um >> um the question Jeff is the uh report that we have from the uh council the same report as what Neil emailed to us?
>> Yes. Generally I take out the highlighted portions but every the content is all still there. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Jeeoff is there certain hours for the fields um for the baseball fields on weekends? >> There are. Um, we just had this
discussion uh again last week. Um, they haven't been getting open by staff. Um, it's supposed to be kind of a double check kind of thing with our staff and on the weekends we don't have staff there, so it's the rangers that open it up. Um, I instructed our public works
since that's their home base to unlock those when they get there at 7:00 and then the Rangers should be closing them around 700 p.m. as well. So, yes, those should be open for everyone to play. Um, it should just be open for people to use 7 to 7:00. The restroom should be open 7
to 7:00. I'm going to make sure even if I have to come in at 7:00 and 7:00 that those are opened. Um, so I think we got to figure it out now. They were doing a great job at first. I don't know if they just lost track with with, you know, kind of a we don't have that many staff
right now. So, uh, but I I did reiterate that. Um, I've gotten a couple calls on the weekends to to open it up. So, uh, that's not what I want to hear either. So, we're going to make sure it happens. >> Any other questions? >> All right. Then, uh, >> the only other thing I just want to
mention is that that little league team that's going to that's coming um, the Diamond Dogs who we talked about before are going to be starting to come back Tuesdays, Thursdays, uh, starting midappril. So, in case anybody's wondering. So, >> what time do they play? They're going to they're they practice from I think it's
going to be 5 to 7. >> Oh, >> the morning. >> They should. We don't have lights though if you remember. >> All right. Anything else? All right. We'll move on to items for
discussion. Um concession stand. I think the issue here was that we had a donation from the organization of we >> that's been resolved. It's been resolved. Okay. So, the funds have been transferred and it'll be used in other areas as per the requested time. >> That's correct.
>> Great. Thank you. Um the FOB system on the wait room to get uh resident access on the weekend. Any progress there with the I believe it was the insurance and liability. >> No updates. Um I'll make a good effort to put that on top of my towards the top
of my list um for by next meeting and we'll see what what we can do. But we do, again, we do have the funds there. Um, we're just waiting on some some instructions from our attorneys. >> Great. I do believe that we'll get some additional membership. If we can pull
that off, too. >> Yeah, I agree. And especially with the limited staff that we have, I I think that's the way to go. If we can do it, we're going to do it. >> All right. All right. In the community pool, our last update was that the design work is being done and following that it'll go out for bid and we're
looking at two years. Any changes there? >> The design, let me just clarify that we awarded well, we're negotiate the town manager negotiating a contract with the design company um to start the process of designing. So,
uh, I think we just sent another revised or another, uh, adjustment to their pricing, uh, to them just this week. They sent it back late last week. And then once we agree on it, they'll they'll sign it. Tom Andrew will sign it, and then they'll be able to start
the design. Um, and they I would say they're they're looking at about two years out. >> How long before we would see that design? >> They'll come in in in um phases. So they'll start like a con conceptual design and then we can show
that at first and then they'll go into the engineered design. So they'll they'll as as it goes they they're going to update us as we go and they they'll update the council. >> Can you bring us copies and updates just to keep us excited about the pool? >> Yeah, we can.
>> Are we going to have public input in the design at all? >> Well, they're going to come to a council meeting, the first one when they have a conceptional design and then anybody can come view it and have comment on it. >> Okay. Any other questions on the pool?
>> And and when you were saying two years, you're talking about the completion of the grand opening of the community pool, >> correct? >> Two years. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah, it may be sooner than that. I don't want to with how things work, especially after post Ian. Um we know
that there's somewhat delays and when you're talking about not only our local government but you're talking about um the county and then the department of HUD it gets a little bit muddier uh if you can imagine. So, um I'm going to say about
I think they in their proposal they had about eight 7 months to design another two or three months for permitting and then that the permitting or the design with the permits would go out as a a construction bid to get then bid and of course it's the 90-day bid process that
we have at least 90 days. the 30 days to to advertise the 30 days kind of rest period and then um the 30-day uh contract period. So, uh you know it I would say two years we have we have to complete it by May of 2028.
>> A question um I'm concerned about the sequence as you described it with the design going to council. I believe the correct procedure is for it to come to the advisory board than for us to give recommendations to council with regard
to any design. Is that not still the case? >> I will check with the town manager on that. That was kind of what we had discussed. But >> because at what point does Bay Oaks have input? >> We don't have we also don't have that much time. You know, like with the with
the new with the redevelopment that I sent out, the 90% we you all worked on that for years pretty much, >> right? >> We don't have that luxury as as much this time. You will get input. I'm not saying that, but let me check with town
manager if he wants it to come to Borcab first or just to to council. >> If it's not going to come to borcap, I would recommend that this team come and join that town meeting so that we can give input. of course, >> but I'll check with them. >> But I agree with Barbara. I would hope
that it would come through here first. >> Uh, Silver Sneakers. From the last meeting, I had recommended that everybody make a phone call over to Silver Sneakers. Not sure if anybody did that homework. Um, I did. And, uh, it is we applied in
June of 24 and our application is dead. So, we have to start over. >> June 24. June of 24 would have been probably the original. >> That's the only application that they had um on board. Then they contacted us.
>> Neil talked about it in 2025 applying. We initially maybe did it in 2024 if I remember right. Danielle had done it and we were awarded >> but then all the other hurricanes happened. Sure. >> So it didn't happen at that point because our facility was closed. We
couldn't accept it. >> So Oh. I thought that the reason we weren't approved was because there was also a silver sneakers program close enough by where they wouldn't do a duplicate. >> We fought that for about 6 months and
gave kind of a description and outline of PE when people go off island it could take them two hours. So I don't think we didn't agree that the mileage was the right thing. >> Okay. >> Well, it was the time it took for people to go off and on. And then we finally Danielle did get it approved through
them and then all the hurricanes hitting our facility was closed. So then we couldn't continue the application. So I don't know if maybe they were looking up an old application. I will check with Neil on that because when I called they said they were still in the holding >> Patter. I So I called the 800 number and talked to a representative and said it
was checking on Bay Oaks and they went through the records and then they actually had in there exactly what happened to our application and that's where they said we applied in June of 24 and then they contacted us and they have no response. So they said based on the timing the application's closed out and that we have to start over
>> reapply. So, >> okay. I I'll check with them to make sure that the same >> different name that it's under that the one I looked up, but I would say >> town of Fort Myers Beach, maybe. >> Wow. >> I you I I said Bay Oaks and they found it right away cuz you pull it up by zip code.
>> That's the first one. I know. I know Danielle did it, but you pull it up by zip code and that was the only one. >> I'll call them back 931. That's how Silver Sneakers works. >> So, you give them the zip code and then they pulled it up and said Bays and they said, "Yes, what's the status of it?" So >> yeah, I'll I'll call them directly again
because the last time I called was after the meeting and they said it was still in review. >> Okay. The number is 8665847389. >> I probably have the actual contact of our >> Okay. Yeah, you just say other they get you the response. Okay.
>> Uh park improvement plans. We saw the email from I think we all were a little heart crushed by the words behind there. Um I Jeff and I talked prior to this and I think the next step is that we've got to get Borcap and the town together and start talking about, you
know, where the vision and where we're going to be next steps and going with the park and start putting the plans together. >> Yeah. And just just for the record, I did I sent Borab um kind of an email about the redevelopment that we had prean.
It's like I said before, it's teetering on the edge. It's not gone. We still have it in our system. We didn't get rid of the the plans, but essentially the plans are not applicable anymore. We redid the the permit even to the park to
build it like it is now because of the limited funds. Um we don't have that $10 million grant that was supposed to build all of that anymore. That they wouldn't the state wouldn't renew that. Um, so it would be and we can't because of
the bridge loan that we took that we took out after Ian to pay for our our expenses and pay to get things fixed back up. Um, we have about 10 years where we can't take out any loans uh
until that's paid off. So that that was just kind of the reality of it. I I still think there's room for another structure. I also think that Beay Oaks when we had that Beay Oaks was
was pumping people in. I mean, a lot of people say not a lot of people came there, but we had, you know, 70 kids after school. We had all these programs going on. The wait room was full. We had people waiting to play pickle ball inside. I just as a town I don't know if
we need a facility that big right now. I think right now we can utilize Bay Oaks. We do need obviously improvements to that. Um you know the roof being one. We've patched it up. It's not really leaking anymore. Um there's a there's a few spots that that still were, but
they're coming out and fixing those. What it is is it's the screws the screw tops that keep popping off with the wind and then it leaks through there. So they have they go and they repair that. So, I think, you know, as as a town, we got to think of what can we do with the funds
that we have and potential funds that we can we can look for as far as a planning. Um, and then possibly, you know, you get into that 10-year mark where we think the loan is going to be done. Um, and look at bigger projects after that. Uh, we still have some
funds. I mean, we have the park improvement funds that we have that has some money in it. I'd say right now it's probably, you know, after the park is done, uh, there's probably going to be a couple hundred thousand left, which isn't a a lot. Um, but that's kind of
our our savings, if you will. Um, we don't like to use that on just everyday things. It has to be a park improvement, too. But that's all we have uh to work with in an emergency, too. So, that's kind of our emergency fund. We want to keep some in there um, you know, for
that that purpose, too. So, I just wanted to give you kind of the reality of where we are right now. Um, and then that'll give us somewhat, it's a very wishy-washy statement to plan for the future, but what do we want? What do we want to see?
You know, what what do we want to see? I mean, I I know right now on my bucket list is a new roof and lights for the ball field. Um, I think those would be two things we just we we they are in our uh at least the lights are in a FEMA queue uh for
our damage inventory, but again, FEMA is only going to give us pennies on the dollar to replace the lights. Um, and then where does that other money come from? You know, so it right now with our situation with if you went through any of the budget hearings, you know, it's tight. We parks and w cut about over
$400,000 off our budget. So it's it's tough to plan from year to year while we're still recovering. But >> do we have money? Are we actually planting the grass in the middle area? Yep. When will that be done? >> I just sent the uh ITB over intend to
bid over to our contracts. It should be out maybe early next week to bid. So I'd say three month three months, four months maybe. So based on the fixes that putting in, we put the sidewalk in, all the trees, the grass. Is there anything
else coming for Bay Oaks or is that pretty much the >> pavilion for the pickle ball courts? >> Yeah, the pickle ball courts. Correct. Yeah. >> And the and the shade sale >> and the shade sales for both the road >> and the Yep. >> the pickle ball courts. >> Those are in there. >> Okay. And that's So that would that's basically the end of our funds.
>> Um >> what we talked I thought >> that's the end of our plan right now. >> plan right now. Okay. >> Yeah. Is there anything at this point that's been changed since since the hurricanes that stops us from doing this plan other than financial situations? >> Maybe need.
>> Okay. So, because you mentioned the FWC and the WA water management, that's other issues. >> So, that Yeah, after the storm then that's what took kind of took us a while to to start to re develop that because it took about a year to change that that permit for drainage. So, we'd have to go
through that whole process again. It took us >> doesn't stop us. It's just something that's it's just another roadblock. >> Correct. Yeah. I mean, anything's possible at this point. I mean, that was kind of the the thing with Ian in my opinion, like anything's possible. It just we need
money. >> Well, I think it still makes sense to do a phased plan where, you know, the first phase would be obviously infrastructure in the park itself, getting it back to the point where it needs to be and making any infrastructure repairs and then moving forward from there. But I think a phase plan, you're right. I
mean, you know, the town isn't the way it is now, but it will be. And if we don't have a plan, then we'll be there and we won't have any recreation. So, I think it's smart to at least at this point, come up with a phase plan to get back to that point. >> I agree totally and I I just wanted to
give you guys all the reality of where we're sitting for the next, you know, few or 10 years, you know. So, I I'm all for a plan. I'm not saying that. I mean that this is kind of your board to to put those plans out there or at least the ideas out and then the staff kind of run with it and try to get grants and
and funding and then we have the friends who if we come up with say we want to build the the facility like we we were thinking before. Um you know it' be something that we go to the friends and be like hey we have this whole list of things. We need lights for the ballpark. We need a roof. We need extra benches.
we need, you know, uh, and then we want to capital fund raise for a building, and we go to friends and and pres present that as what the town needs, and then they try to fund raise for us. >> Yeah, I think that's the best idea at this point is to phase out what's
important and move forward with the important things first and know what what in the future we plan on putting so that we're not putting things where other things are going to go in the future, but yet expanding on what we need now, what's more important to the community now. So >> yeah, and I do have a a a list of things
that people want, you know, to do and and put back. One being the uh disc golf. Um I get calls all the time about putting the the cages back or the goals back. So that's one thing we want to do when we finish the park is put those in. Um what we had before um we used to have
a lot of people thrown over that pond uh down there. Um >> we also had more trees and more obstacles to go around too. So >> yeah, >> I say it's it's you know it's something that is inexpensive to do in in the like the first phase to give entertainment and you know things for people to do and
then work on to the things that are more expensive that obviously we can't afford right now. But I think there are things like that that can be approved upon quickly in the budget that we have and still give entertainment and recreation for our guest and our people who live here. So >> exactly. I'm all for that.
>> Yeah, I agree 100%. You know, I've had I've had conversations with, you know, Shrimpfest even and they might want to do it down there. It'll be a great location. Um, you know, they can set up their booths, they can, you know, get a permit to have beer tents, whatever they want down there, and it's just a huge
area. When I, you know, they can envision there being grass on there. It's going to look nice. >> Jeff, a question about the grass. Um, if I'm remembering correctly, they tried to hydro seed that once or twice >> and that didn't work. So, the bid that's
out now, is that for sod? >> Yes. Yep. It doesn't have irrigation either, which is the problem. We had to kind of cut that out of the budget, hoping that the grass would come and it didn't. Um, the weeds came. So, we're going to put in irrigation this time. We're going to use park improvement
funds with it for that and the sod. >> I have a quick question, Jeff. Um, you have a ballpark, just round estimate. And I know you probably don't have bids, but what a roof would cost. >> I thought we thought about I'd have to look up the last time we
100,000 maybe. I don't remember. >> Did you have a chance to look at the grant that I wrote um that we have two days yet still to submit that in the analysis it looked like a roof for Bay Oaks was the most likely grant that we would get funded. >> That was different from Lowe's. Yeah, we
actually are submitting one. >> I know that's a different one >> from Lowe's. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We're submitting one for the Lowe's one, >> but not for the roof. >> Not for the roof. It's for uh public works utilities, right? >> And Ranger Station, >> right? We can do more than one. >> Oh, okay.
>> So, I I think >> we just we had a meeting and just prioritized that one. So, >> Okay. Well, I have to say that in my analysis, the information I got back was that one would gain us most likely the most points. >> Okay. >> Um, and I put it together. I still have
two days. I still have the written text. If you use it as is, it hits all the points. >> Wow. >> We are really on their radar. Um, and the people who sent the email to us are big cheeses at Lowe's. Their whole goal
is to help communities get back up and running after disasters. They're senior vice presidents of this task. So, >> and that's a grant that that Lowe's funds >> 100%. >> 100%. >> Yes. So I wrote it and gave copies to the each different ones.
>> So Rebecca, can I ask can you go back to the beginning and get Borcap up to speed on what, who, what, where, when? >> All the counselors received an email. Um, and town manager did as well. This was maybe three weeks ago,
>> and it came from senior executives at Lowe's. And I didn't know that at the time, but there were three people who sent the email and they said, um, you know, we have a program that does community grants and we would like to know if you'd be interested in applying.
So, I reached out to Will and I said, I'll look into this since this is, you know, my area of expertise. I did a lot of research and I found that I first I looked at who sent it to see if they were legit or it's just a grant that everybody gets and it said these
are DC people want a lobbyist for getting funds to communities like ours who sustained major damage. >> I mean we are on their radar. So I also looked into what makes them want to give us money and it's a perfect opportunity
for Lowe's to make ads that are public facing that say we are a part of your community. We even come and volunteer. So I wrote the grant in the amount of words they give you and I hit every single item that they look for when they
check points. >> And I did it for several areas around the town for opportunities. One was Bay Oaks a roof because I just thought I would do it and give it as an example. Um, not that I knew if we needed a roof. I thought I'd try since I was at home
doing it. And then we sent them out to the different groups. So, yes, Will came back and said this one for protection for the vehicles down at the old town hall. He's going to submit that. Um, they also said, we suggested at a town council meeting that the mayor should
submit it. I did some more research and found that you will get more points if the town manager submits it than any mayor or council because it shows that the manager already is in agreement that it's important because he's the one who
makes those calls. Right. Right. >> So, we looked at every single thing. >> The analysis that came back to me was the Bay Oaks one would probably get more points than the emergency coverage because it hits every Lowe's target. they could come volunteer, which is what
they want to do when you're building. They're going to come out and volunteer. They're going to also look for opportunities down the road when you have events to send their employees because they make every one of their employees volunteer in the community. So, we welcome them to volunteer to help
us rebuild. We attract and support kids, check. Senior citizens, check. Community centers, check. resiliency check
and it it met all the criteria. So, we still have two days and I think it wouldn't hurt us just to submit it for the heck of it. >> Well, I would reverse that. How do we get that grant in Jeff? >> And that's I apologize because that's the first time I'd heard about the Bays
roof. So, >> at two council meetings ago, that's when Oh, I'm sorry. >> We had some ideas. Yeah. No, I know about the the the grant, but >> I wrote it. Okay. >> So, I can send that to you again. It's >> Yeah, maybe it'd be good to get a hold of town manager and see what you know what he can do for us. And
>> yeah, I'll talk to him today after this meeting. >> They could say no. They could say no. >> Well, I would also um be leerary that that roof was built 10 years ago and I know that a roof that I bought 10 years ago was 20,000. It's 100,000 now. So, >> I'm trying I'm trying to pick up the quote from after Ian. Yeah. They're
giving a hund00 million away >> and I would recommend that we we we re we request 500,000 300,000 an easy number for them but make sure that we could cover a whole roof because we don't have >> exactly that was my point.
>> So um >> so how do we uh Jeff Rebecca how do we close this loop to get this grant in for a new roof? >> I think Jeff and I can talk after if you'd like. I'll make sure you have the exact words. You can run it by will. He's going to apply for the other one and we put this in. There is no rule that says you can't make multiple
applications. Exactly. >> Now, if Will believes that he doesn't want to compete against himself that he may feel that way, that's his call. I would leave that to him. >> Maybe Jeff, you and >> Yeah, I think I think probably the thought there was we have a roof and
it's repaired enough. We don't have any other facilities for our >> our field workers. That's that's Will's call and that may have been Will's call, >> but I don't know if that Yeah, if that's the case. I'm trying to look up the >> one one grant in. >> No, you can't. You can put as many as you want. >> Okay. So, we could put the facilities
and the roof in. >> There's no re there's no reason we can put them both in. >> Right now, here is one thing, Jeff, that may um may hinder you, and you should know this is that when you put that in, what you have to promise to Lowe's is that you can do that project within a
year because they do this every year. They are looking for marketing opportunities, right? They want to look good, get in the community. So, if we could do it within a year, that may hinder us, >> but I would say I'm also looking for that same opportunity because Home Depot does the same thing. This is all a very
small marketing budget for them >> and we can benefit from it. >> Great. >> Well, I don't believe >> I'm trying to look up the original. I mean, this goes back to like 2022 that we started to look into this, but um that well,
>> yeah, even before the storm. So, >> yeah. >> So, well, I'll talk to to the town manager after this. I'll try to pull up because I in here I do have somewhere I have an estimate of what it would have been three, four years ago. So, so
>> they tend to award things in the um you know they go anywhere from the tens of thousands of dollars. I have not seen them award things in the million dollar. I'm not saying they wouldn't but yeah you don't want to. So I think if you're
under 500 maybe even 400 300 because we can hit all those things. And the other thing is what even gets you more points is if you're within 30 miles of a Lowe's. So I even wrote in the grant how grateful we were that they were here after the storm with their volunteers.
There was there was a trailer if you remember up by the goods that Lowe's had I mean this is all feeds into the message >> that they are senior vice presidents in DC and lobbyists trying to show how good they are. >> So if I heard you correctly this grant
paperwork needs to be in by the 20th of March. >> Yes. And it's written. I already wrote it. So um Will could um sit down and submit it. It would probably be five minutes of work. >> Would have to be on town stationary obviously making it official. >> Well, he'll go into the portal. They give us a portal.
>> Okay. Yeah. >> The fact that it would come from the town manager because it would say who's the applicant and he would say town. >> We'll leave the logistics up too, but it would be >> uh let's go ahead with hopefully with Will's approval. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. like she says if there's more, you
know, then we'll keep our eyes open and, you know, with her help. >> Anytime you hear them, I I'm happy to look through things because town has got their >> plate so full. >> I mean, I'm just going to throw it out. If we're if you're have the grant going with Bay Oaks, not only do we have the roof over there, but we have the
concession stand that we could throw some money at. >> Okay. So, I have to tell you, so I looked >> Oh, and don't forget the bathrooms. >> Okay. So, I looked at, again, this is what I do for a living. So, I look at probabilities. I do this all the time. So, a lot of times you're doing a lot of work, you're not going to get anything.
I looked at concession stand, they said, "Don't waste your time." This is in the analysis. They didn't say it, but the report's coming back because it's a money maker. It gets cloudy. It's not so much of, oh, we're helping the old people and the kids. We're helping you make money. That's not our mission.
>> So, other grants, >> bathrooms, >> bathrooms were bathrooms were okay. It just didn't rank as high. >> Okay. of the ones that I picked, Bay Oaks, we even came up with a new word for the town parking area, calling it like an
emergency resilient something. Even your words, you don't have to put it on the signs, but your words, they go, "Oh, meets the requirement." Um, what was the other one? A concession stand, the roof. Anyway, they were just low probabilities
of of making it. So, >> John has a question. >> Yeah. And maybe helping to nudge us forward a little bit. Um, can we get uh Will's blessing or
somebody's blessing to, you know, let this one go as it's going and in the future or almost immediately as Borav come up with what it should be next year and get that built, get that
built out of the needs of the parks, rural parks, and get ready for a great submission next year that has everybody's blessing. Everybody's in on it. Everybody knows it, understands it, and wants to make it happen. >> Sounds like this year's ship has sailed.
We're two days out on adding things. >> It's not It's >> And I don't think we should step on any any toes of of Will for sure because it sounds like he's got a handle on what he's asking for for this year. >> He probably does. >> Yeah. And that's that's a again um Rick
to your point is we need a plan of what we need because if we can say this is on our our plan um our strategic plan even or our goals and have it have it you know built off of we try to get this done. These are our immediate needs.
These are our wish list kind of things and then what's our our yeah our long-term one was maybe getting another facility or who knows what's going to be popular you know in 10 years. So, um, yeah, I think that's great. And I think having that in writing even before we we
apply for these has been, hey, we've we've talked about this for years. We've talked about this for months. Our our advisory board has recommended this. Um, we have a list going. So, when we do have grants pop up, those are ones we can shoot for. So, thank you. >> I I'd agree. We have to have a list. When did we get this email regarding
this grant? >> Oh, it was the council got it. >> Yeah, the c the council, correct? How long ago? >> I'd have to look. It may have been about 3 weeks ago. Okay. Maybe. >> I I guess I would just ask the question again. Um if there's any reason why we can't put the grant in for the roof. And Rebecca, I don't know if you have I
actually had this down as my public comment, but since we're here, if it's all right, I'm going to continue on the grant discussions. Do you have any other grants that you're looking at for Bay Oaks? >> No, I'm not actually looking for grants. Um because that's not in my wheelhouse.
I mean, it's my personal business. That's what I do for a living. I work for about 65 counties around the country and I bring them tons of money. So, when I saw this as a council member in an email, I thought I could do this with one arm sign behind my back. So, I
actually wrote it and then I sent it to the guys, you know, who it is in their charter and said, "Hey, I'm I took this upon myself. I hope I'm not stepping on your toes, but here it's hard for me. It's money. It's like money. Someone
wants to give it to you. So, um, what I would say is I'm happy to look for grants. There are very different kinds of grants. This one is a community grant. It's all about emotion. Federal, state,
uh, FEMA grants. Those aren't emotion. Those are we need to fix it. It's part of a taxpayer dollar. It's a very different way you write it. So, all they're all a little different. Well, >> I'm happy to look for ones if we when we have the strategic planning meeting that is coming up. You'll see that you guys
are going to be a big part of that as well. >> When that gets defined, I'm happy to go out there and start looking for things. I'll I'll do that. It's not a council member role. It's a it's a community service thing I'd be happy to do and I could say, "Hey, I found these things."
And then I'm happy to also do what I did with the Lowe's. These are the things that if we can speak to this, this this and this, this is going to get us the max potential because I've also reviewed grants. I did the CDBGR for the county
of Lee and I had to evaluate 165 grants. You read them and you're looking for the key things. >> Sure. And that's >> So I'm happy to do that and it's one thing that I know how to do and I think I do it well. So, I'd like to do that.
No charge, not as part of >> as as board cap. We're just specifically looking what grants you can help us with with Bay Oaks because going right back to our conversation 10 minutes ago, we have no funding, >> right, >> with a park. >> You can't go looking for grants. You have to say what are your needs and then I'll go look for grants that meet that
need that money. Trust me, you'll get money. And I, you know, Rebecca, that's a great point because it we would still not have funds for a pool >> had you not helped secure that for the CDBGR. >> Thank you. >> You know, so we appreciate that. That was, you know,
>> the thing is a be a match actually. >> The thing is though, >> a matching grant. >> That was a matching grant. Yes. which is why I hate to say it but which is which is why sometimes we need to give the town we need to not shave their budget so much because those are the things
that make us a community. So we wanted a little bump up in our um help me with the word >> you know the tax the mill say it right it's a dirty word but sometimes there's a little bump up in millillage to get these things that
bring us back that also generate revenue for our town. It's, you know, it's how it goes. But, um, but I'm happy to do that. That's one thing I can bring to the table and I'm happy to do. And I must say, I cannot help but I say this every time. You need to know that this
town and that man sitting there and the people that wrote that grant that I evaluated, they had grants from Santael, from Mero, from Fort Meyers, from what else? Um, >> Bonita, >> Bonita, Fort Myers Beach. There were
seven areas, towns, 165 applications. Do you know the two we got money for came in number two, ranked number two in most points and number seven out of 165. >> Wow.
>> And when she says when she says two, and I'm not doing my own, but that's actually four projects. So, we had the the uh north tower, >> the tower, >> and then we had a parks and wreck one that incorporated uh actually three. It incorporated
Newton Beach and um >> little bit of Newton, maybe. >> Little bit Newton Park. >> Newton and the pool, >> a water tower. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in there. >> So, this is not me. >> $15 million worth. >> That one I just evaluated them. And I had to evaluate them with my blinders on
as if I could have been in a Santael, whatever. There were tons of people evaluating. I just represented the beach in being one of the evaluators. These guys wrote that grant. They deserve all the credit. >> Oh. Uh, and then just another thing, sometimes it happens by circumstance. I I think we talked about that with the
the Little League field. I had gotten an email from MLB because I subscribed to MLB that just said, "Hey, we're uh we're doing um we're giving money basically to with with MLB and Scots uh to redo ballparks
and otherwise we who knows if we'd have a ballpark. We didn't have any funds coming in. We didn't have any donations coming in. So they they agreed to do the infield and then our staff laid the outfield side. So that was quite fun. But you know, it just happens sometimes. So, if you see something come through,
you know, maybe it's an email from Lowe's. I know this one wouldn't have came, but you know, if you see anything, just pass it on and say, "Hey, this be an opportunity to to put our name into and and and write it up." So, >> so I I would just wrap this up by saying um I think a great way
maybe Michelle to think about this as a committee is participate. I'm sure you will in the um strategic planning stuff. I know it's painful. A lot of people don't see it. you already did a lot of your own, but participate as as you can and will and I'm sure um keep these
things in mind. Reach out to me whether it's through Borcab or council, but just as a p private citizen and I would love to say I found this or you found it. You want me to dig into it and I'll throw it back to Borab and say here's the kind of things this grant is looking for. you
start working on that as a committee and see do we meet that or do we meet this or how could we meet that and I'll write it up I'll turn it into something that will make them cry but I think we can work together same thing yeah and that's great for if you like this particular grant when you find that
>> same thing give me a call and if necessary we could call a meeting so >> great >> okay perfect yeah we're all about the money I love to bring the money there's nothing better than bringing somebody money >> okay so the followup is we're going to get this followup for the next 48 hours
to see if we can get the roof granted. Anything else on that topic? >> Yes, please. >> Um with regard to park improvement plan, um Jeff, you mentioned the shade sales for the pickle ball courts will be going in and that obviously requires some
digging into the ground to get the sub the substructure. I do recall that was why the shade sales for the fitness court had been postponed repeatedly because you didn't have the So my question is can you put the shade sales
at the fitness court the same time you do the pickle ball course >> that'll be the same bid. Yeah. >> Okay. >> We'll put it out for bid. And the reason we didn't is we you know we we had an engineer come in and say no you need footings way bigger than what what you were imagining. >> So the price went
>> substantially up. So, we're going to we'll put those together for the shade sales to do the the fitness court and uh the pickle bell courts. Um, and we're just we're still kind of trying to figure out if there's going to be additional courts because that might change where the pavilion's going to go.
>> So, >> Oh, right. >> Yeah. So, I don't know. We'll we'll we'll find that out, but it'll take at least, you know, again, we'll have to do the the bid process, so we know how long that takes. Um, so it's going to be a little bit. So that's why we did the temporary structure down there just so people would have shade. So and watch
your heads. It's a little short. We put a pool noodle up. So >> Okay. Thanks. >> All right. Anything else? >> All right. The I'm going to go back to the park improvement plan. Do we have a consensus that we want to put a get
together a meeting away from board cap to start putting this planning session together for this list? >> We have been talking about that. >> Yes, we have. I mean, it seems like every meeting we talk about a plan and then we we don't do it. So, >> I think we should do it.
>> All right. Um, it is season right now. We're in March. Uh, we had talked about doing it, I think, before these meetings. Do we want to start as early as the April meeting and meet be prior? >> We'll have to check because they'll have to be
>> advertised and that's right, >> live recorded sunshine law. So, we can't just meet You know, just a reminder that >> Oh, well, >> we have to do it in a public setting in public meeting. >> So, what I think we had talked again, I agree, we've talked about this many times that we were going to just do it
before a boardcap meeting. Is that what everybody still would like to if we move forward do it before a boardcap meeting is a one-hour planning session and start doing them for a while moving forward? >> I would I would just say it's part of our meeting. >> Part of the meeting is what he's saying because part of the meeting. >> Oh, yes.
>> I mean, we can call a special meeting. So, >> we can call a special meeting at any point, but if our if our board cab meeting lasts >> 3 hours, we just start on time and the last 3 hours. Correct. >> I mean, I don't recommend I try to want to keep them to an hour, but um but >> No, that's what I was recommending to
get the meetings going is just starting these at 11, spending the first hour dedicated to planning session and then moving into board cap just since we're all together and then we would already have open up. I would keep the time otherwise we have to change all the advertisements that are already out because they're already on the calendar.
I would just do it at the same time and have that be an agenda item. >> Maybe that's the only agenda item. Correct. So that it just the O gets dedicated to that. >> That's the purpose of these meetings is to talk about things like that. So I think we just keep it the same and have it uh be >> have a large portion of the agenda.
>> Have it the meeting. Yeah. Almost. And I'll come with kind of what what the town is looking for a little bit. I mean, we still have I mean, I think everyone's aware of, you know, the town is still negotiating with the school. Um, I don't have any updates.
I'm not part of those, but uh, you know, I know we've asked for some some of their FEMA funds and and the land. And if what what does that look like? You know, if if we would get the land donated to us, let's just say, that might change our conversation, you know.
So there's all a lot of moving parts a little bit when it comes to that. Um I don't know again I please don't ask me about the negotiations because I I'm not in those but uh it it was something that we had proposed to them. So you know if we got that and that just kind of ties
into u and I'll >> we're kind of waiting on all these negotiations take place. Um they won't even talk about the playground. So sure >> if >> if you could bring any of them if you have any information on like prices on lights f you know past quotes that you had on or you know fields anything bring
that information with you because we could use that as you know budget background of what we're looking at for certain ideas. So >> yeah I think you do small medium and large projects >> you know in in the planning. That's what I would suggest. Um but yeah the ones that I have like the roof I have a I have a quote in here from four years
ago. I mean, I'm sure it's probably increased significantly. Um, and then I have one for the lights. It would end up being like 650,000 just because of all the upgrades that need to be made. I mean, it's just it's just how it goes when >> Yeah, just bring them and that way we'll have all that information in one place and we can look it over and pick what
projects were more important and versus what because those are the things that we're going to go after for that funding and then if we have the idea already written there and everything's in stone, what's more important, we can go after that funding first and then work our way down that list. 100% agree. >> And if it's if we Whoops. Oh, quick real quick. If we take the items for
discussion that we have on here and if you could do the same written report as we do for the um staff report, then everybody could review that beforehand and we only do that as do you have any questions regarding the report, then we can move right into the planning session to keep this meeting moving. Would everybody
>> Well, I think the items for discussion are just that though. I don't think it's a report. It's an item for discussion. That would be the agenda. Is that what you're saying? Well, just um again if if the you and uh Neil just give us an
update on each one of those topics in there in writing, we can review it beforehand and if we have any questions. Is >> that true? Yeah, we don't. >> So, in other words, you're going to write down FOB system not done system uh silver sneakers applied for on this date and then we all read the updates. We
don't have to discuss. If anybody has a question, we ask a question. We can move right into planning. um question. um all of you as new board cab members and I you know I don't know Rick but have you are you aware that we already
have a strategic plan and we did this with a professional facilitator and it was most recently updated in 2022 before the hurricane and this was a very wellthoughtout communitydriven
beyond bor beyond council about what the community wants what it needs what the demographics, you know, will point to for the future as well as short-term and long-term goals. Now, this was what we were requesting that be updated and
dovetailed with the council's strategic plan. And I have and that's been a year ago. Haven't heard any more updates about how that's happening. But if you're going to be talking about a strategic plan and shortterm and long-term goals, this is the document
that you should be leading from and moving forward to. Now, if it requires bringing another facilitator in to get a more objective feedback, then maybe that would be the path. But my suggestion is don't reinvent the wheel. We've already
got this plan here. >> I think that's a great idea. I have my copy here. We could open up our next meeting going through and reviewing this. >> Exactly. As outdated as it is, it's a great point of departure. >> I think there'd be two separate items like if you wanted to talk about kind of
the needs and wants or if you want to talk about that first, but I don't know if you'd be able to do both of them at one meeting. You know what I mean? >> Okay. What about can we have this sent out to all of Cap and you review it and come back and if you have any questions or comments. >> I'm just going to caveat that with
that's very outdated. >> Okay. >> It is. some of the facilities aren't even there anymore. >> So, >> but then we cross them off. >> Correct. >> And and that Barbara, that's always been the case. And Rebecca, maybe uh you want to talk a little bit more about where we're at with strategic plan. I know you're a little more ingrained with it
than I am. And then we were going to we need to have one for the town before we can make individual ones. >> I I have a recommendation. So, I watch all the meetings, all the uh advisory boards. And I love to, this is one thing Tracy and I are like sympatico on that
we do planning. I say we, but the town does planning and everybody's integrated so that you're not off doing your own things. I I hear from multiple um committees like this. Hey, we give suggestions to the town. We found out
they're already working on it or we did this and oh, you didn't need it. We can't do it. So, there's a little disconnect. I think we have a team now that is looking since we spent three years they spent three years trying to get us back to some kind of normal. They're saying okay now it's time to
reorganize ourselves and be more strategic in our time and what we do. So there was a recommendation uh one of the committees came before us uh at the last M&P it was the public safety and they said we don't even feel like we're
needed everything we suggest you either already did or you did it without I mean it was just a disconnect and how often can you continue to ask people to to give their time when they feel like they're not being heard although their ideas were great and the town was doing
them there just wasn't the communication. So, um, we brought each of the counselors brought I brought a whole list. It was almost embarrassing that I just kind of did a dump of what are kind of things that in a small town
on a barrier island does public safety care about. I just wanted to come with a list and I read them out and I said to them, if any of these sound interesting or of something you might be interested in, write it down. I watched their meeting the other day and they took a
handful of what the counselors suggested and they're going to start working on those for us. But now we're back to being engaged. I think we should take um what Barbara you're saying, take the old plan. It's old, but if we each brainstorm before the next meeting and
come with a list of ideas, make some assumptions, tell us what the assumptions are, assuming we get the land given to us. Here's what I would think. small, medium, long-term, right? Or like Jeff says, they like to plan. These guys do the work. They like to
plan small budget, big budget, go get grant budget. You know, they need to know what bucket they're going after. So, if we kind of make a list, just a list that we can dump out and all agree on, I say we get a whiteboard here next time and we put them up there and we
walk away saying, "We kind of picked a couple of these lowhanging fruit things that we think we could do short term. little budget or then there's a medium one. I say I'll go look for money for that. Let's let's think strategically and then we present it. Jeff will present it to the town council. We'll
stay engaged. I will stay engaged to make sure that you don't feel like you're working in a vacuum. Tracy is working on the strategic plan and we are meeting the next month, next meeting I think, and we're doing a part of it. But like anything in government, there's a piece then six months later there's a
piece. you know, by the time we get our strategic plan done, it will be out of date, but it's just the way government works. It's not the town's fault. So, I think as long as we are staying in the loop, everything you guys have been saying, I think everyone in the town
agrees with. Um, but poor Jeff has to keep coming back saying we can't do it because there's no money. When I hear you saying, "Well, we could do some of these things if we knew what our goal was." So, I'm recommending we all come back with a list of ideas. Barbara, if
you could get that to all of us so we can >> I'll send it out to everyone. She can't communicate to them on email. So, >> I can't do that. >> Oh, that's right. You're not allowed. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Does that make any What I'm curious about feedback. I I tend to take over. I don't mean to do that. Um, it's your meeting. But
>> to piggyback off that, it's it's important too because if we think of these things midway through the year, we don't have any money for them. I'm I'm just telling you the budget set. if we can get some of these in and at least fight for a little bit more budget money if we're not in a deficit next year. Um,
you know, we can have a plan to to go in place. Maybe we put so much aside if we have a a something in five years that we put together we put more of a capital in. We don't have a capital fund anymore. >> We don't have the funds to put in our capital fund. So, it's kind of those
things that we could maybe set aside maybe 100,000 a year for a little bit, couple years because our because our long-term plan is this. >> So, I think it helps with, you know, for the last three years, we've just been >> budgeting what we need and what we can get away with,
>> you know, kind of thing. So, it really has been. And, >> you know, this year was quite the exception as far as >> having funds cut, but that's something we had to do to balance to balance the budget. So, um, and you know, you're right. Maybe, you know, a little bit of
military. I'm not saying either way, but you know, anything helps. >> Yeah, I think it's a plan. We have to also set our minds up that these things take long. You know, we take time. So,
>> all right. So, I'm going to try to summarize that. So, the homework for the next meeting is to Jeff will send out the strategic plan for those who don't have it. I would review that. You can also review the old plans that Jeff sent out showing you what we were going to build and then put your thoughts
together on what you believe the park needs. Um and we'll collaborate with that u moving forward the items for discussion that um Neil and Jeff will just give us a quick little update and we'll just move that up for questions so we can focus more on what's rebuilding.
>> Everybody agree? >> Sounds like a plan. >> Jeeoff, could you see that we have a whiteboard maybe here? um a flip. >> Yeah. Or I can see if we can type it up on the screen. >> Okay, that'd be good. >> That might be that might be the better way to do it. >> I don't know who's going to write. I You won't be able to read my writing if I do
it. >> We can figure that out. >> Yeah, I we'll see. And we'll see what shows up on camera because everyone will want to see it. If we put it on the board, they can >> put that on the screen. So, I'll look into that. >> All right. Does everybody agree with
that? All right. Uh member items. Would you like to start? >> Hi. Yes, I would. Um, so I have a couple of things. Um, is there any way and you know, we talk about we don't have the money for this. We don't have the money for this. Well,
do we have maybe a couple hundred bucks and would be able to put a couple of um dog dirt stations around um around the park? I was taking a dog um borrowed my sister-in-law's dog the one day and it would just help to have some of those
bags available for folks especially if we're putting in sod and irrigation and things to make sure that there's no piles left behind. I don't know if that's something we could have available but it would be a good thing to have. >> Piles of what? No, I'm just kidding. >> Yeah.
>> No, we do have um we actually do have some. We can start putting those in. We actually have them in our kind of our storage. So, >> it would be helpful. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It'd be good. Not We don't want that kind of fertilizer. So, that's good. >> Great request.
>> Nice. >> Thank you. >> Um I just want to let everybody know I'm resigning from Borab. I've been on this board for more than a dozen years. It's
time. Um, and as you know, I was vice president for a number of years, probably a half a dozen or more. But with with Betty Simpson's passing and her replacement, I felt it was time to get a new board vice president as well.
So now it's time because I feel that Borcab is in good hands. We've got plans for the future. You've got a direction to take. And I really appreciate, Rebecca, all of the work that you're doing with grant um development and
grant research. Well done. But um I want to tell you that this I just was looking through this as we were talking and I recall looking at some assessments from 2017, which predates this. There was no mention of pickle ball courts at all in
either the short or the long-term goals, which just shows how our town evolves with what is good and not good in terms of, you know, what people want for this community. So, it's ever changing as it should be. But anyway, thank you for the
opportunity to serve with you all. You guys are great. >> Barbara, you've been on this since I've been here. um obviously in way longer than that, but we've worked together uh so well both here and uh and um you know at Mound House. Um just want to thank
you for everything. >> You know, you've always been kind to me. Um when we're out, we talk, we have good conversations. You keep us on track. Um which is good. You have that long-term knowledge, which is great, too. Uh and to some knowledge, but I just want to
thank you. You you've been great. Um, and please, you know, keep up with us if there's something you want to say. We we have public comment or request to be a speaker >> comment as >> So, uh, and we do look forward to you, uh, for you in that pool doing aerobics.
>> I agree, Barbara. From the day I came in, um, in this role over on the other side, you took me underneath your wings and showed me how it works and what was needed in all your history is just so valuable. And I want to thank you for believing in me and um you're a
beautiful lady and be missed and you're right. >> Please >> come and join us. Speak up. Speak up. >> Um so that >> Yeah. So sad to hear that, but thank you for all of you've done. Uh my only public comment is I got to say it again.
Can we get a women's bathroom door? >> Just got I think I might have got the PO back today. So, we can order them uh finally and get replaced. We're going to get a uh
women's bathroom and then the I think there's three other ones. We're going to at least do uh Jim's little storage there down there that can't even shut. Um you know, we've kind of been like everything else limping along and trying not to until we have to. So, those are those
are in need of being replaced. So, those will be on order. I if I did get the purchase order back, um I'll call the guy today and we'll get them ordered. So, yes, those are in the plan to do. Those are are tough. And the little league storage to the door is is
I have to karate chop it to get it open. So, >> you were always that way. >> Yeah. So, we're going to Yeah, we're going to replace them now. I mean, I really I can barely even kick it open when I put my key in. So, um, I know they want to use, you know, they want to put their equipment back because they want to come and and, uh, start
practicing with their kids down there, too. So, >> great. I'm going to jump up to John. >> Okay. John always likes to talk about swimming. >> Um, and and not to pin down because we probably don't have a date, but um, the
design group is going to be coming to the council. Um, if you don't know the actual meeting that they'll be doing that, do you have a window of when that will be? >> I have I'll have to pull up the contract that we sent them um to see when the
phases are are due. I'll uh I'll get that to everyone so they can be here for it. So, I'll >> like I said, it hasn't even been the contract hasn't been signed yet. It's been going back and forth. Um but they do have a timeline if you watched if you're I don't know if anybody was here
for the the design um meetings that we >> is that still correct because of the way the grant >> the footprint of the pool. Yes. I mean we can >> okay >> if we wanted to make it 30 ft deep I believe we could but the actual footprint is we aren't going to by the way but it'll be back it'll be put back
pretty much the same dimensions uh as as it sits now. you know, the we can also add things in there like uh things that aren't in ground. Well, it's inground, but like a a splash pad for the little little kids or something like that we could do. But, uh we'll see kind of what their their vision is at first. We'll
have an initial meeting with them. Um and they kind of know ours because we put it in the the scope and the RF uh the ITB. So, um yeah, that correct. I mean, we can have some say say on the aesthetics of it probably that those kind of things, but and anybody's
willing to comment for sure. I just um yeah, you're right. We can't change the actual pool size. >> Okay. Hopefully that speeds things up in the design. Um and in the in the what's possible in building a pool world,
um we we do have lots of speed bumps because of the government process and I understand that. But I'll tell you, I'm working for a company right now that is building a pool and we designed it in December. We're starting the build on April, I think 19th, and we'll be
swimming in it on May 24th. So, >> um, it is a fourlane 50 meter pool, so it's not a little splash thing. That's what can be done. Obviously, I'm working with a group that has unlimited funds, which is really fun for me. Um but you
know we we all the frustrations in the meeting again are all the can'ts and we got to look at the things that we can do and I guess that's just the coach in me again is always going to come out. Um, we've come a long way and we've got an
even longer road. And um, I'll I'll switch over to a quick uh, thank you to Barbara. And not only a thank you, but a now you better be ready to answer your phone because I'll be able to legally call you for advice.
>> Anybody can call me after today. Exactly. >> So, Barbara, thank you. That's that those are my questions, Jeeoff. And I appreciate that. as much info as you can get us as soon as you get it if it's available to send. I think we would all love that. So, thanks.
>> Yeah. And I I just want to just speak to that a little bit. Yeah, it's we're talking about three different government entities. Um our procurement process is a long one. I mean, that's six months just to put it out for bid. You know, it's it's it kind of is what it is. This
is probably the the fastest we can do it unless they get the design done earlier. Um, but that's the timeline that I think we agreed to. Uh, and if maybe the construction company comes in and says, "I can build it faster." You know, we'll we'll see. Or we can maybe move up those
timelines with I don't we don't have really any money for incentives. You know, you get it done early, you get a you know, a bonus, whatever it is for an incentive clause to get it done early. But yeah, I think we all want it done tomorrow. Trust me. um not only to be in
the pool, but to finally have it done um is going to be probably just going to pass out near the pool sometime. So, it uh yeah, I I agree. I mean, there are I know other people that have built pools a lot quicker, but I think our government red
tape, is that what you call it? Uh is lengthy when you come to the federal government, you know, county and local. >> All right, Joy. She's got exciting things coming up. >> Well, actually, um, John kind of stole my thunder because now I can have lunch
with Barbara. >> We can be friends. >> We can we can now be friends. Um, yeah. So, I think everyone knows about the pickle ball tournament this Saturday. Um, I am also raffling off a $275
gearbox paddle. Um, and it's all on the FMB Community Foundation website. Uh, we do still need players. Uh, in the morning we could use a couple more. In the afternoon we could use a lot more. Um, but it's it's really going to be a
fun event and I I was hoping that um that everyone could come and if you could cheer at 8:00 a.m. I know it's early, but the mayor and the town manager are going to be playing a
celebrity match against Ed and Kim Ryan. And um it was a hoot last year >> or two years ago. So I think it'll be a hoot plus. >> What is the date again? >> This Saturday. >> That's the date. >> Oh, the 21st. Knows. Okay.
>> Saturday the 21st at 8:00. We start playing uh our first round at 9:15 and then the second round is going to start around 12:30. We do have prizes, great prizes. um paddles, uh bags, you know, um we
actually have calendars to give away. So, it's going to be a fun event and I hope everyone >> and parking, you know, you can just park at Bay Oaks, right? >> So, anyway, that's all I had. Thank you. >> Excellent. Ed,
>> Ed, >> I I have nothing other than to thank Barbara for her service to not only Borcab, but Cellcap. >> Oh, yeah. >> And all the other things you've been involved in in town, and I hope you can keep some of your volunteer efforts up. >> Thank you. I'll still stay with Cellcap for sure
>> for a while. >> Thank you, Ed. >> Ed, I just since you were talking, I just want to give just a brief I mean, just be brief, but uh the op the possibilities of pocket parks are still open. We haven't let go of that. um you know so whenever we identify that one
you know on your street is still on our radar along with a couple other ones. So if we uh we asked about some appropriations if they would pay for it some state and federal that they won't pay for land but um we're trying to get money for that too. So just an update. Thank you
>> Rick. Um just once again to thank Barbara for all the work she's done on the committee and um if you have any chance to get any of them quotes over for anything that was previously quoted even if it's small I can use it in the you know kind of an idea of what things are going to cost
and this and that. So include him in that phase when we get a chance to talk about it. So thank you. That's it. >> Great. Do we have Oops. I'm sorry. Did you have anything? Nobody. Um, yeah. Well, yes, thank you again for your
service. Um, we we all have a lot to look up to. Um, also there's been, I don't know if anybody noticed, a lot of engagement online on Facebook specifically about the pool and um about pickle ball courts not opening
fast enough for some community members opinions. I think um it would help if we could work on our communication with the community. A lot of people have a lot of questions. Some people have reached out to me and I've answered them the best I
can, but of course encouraged public comment and um people to come to these meetings or watch them online. Um, if there was a way we would be able to put out a newsletter or some sort of
staff communication with community members who um to keep people informed of what's happening, maybe what's happening bes behind the scenes and um what they can look forward to.
>> 100% great. Uh, I agree with you 100% and I would say Jeeoff that as and I'm sure we all get it. We have these meetings and we talk about all these updates, but yeah, just sending out a public, you know, through the PR. This is a status on the
pool. This is a status in the pickle ball courts. Even the bathroom doors are going to be fixed. Um, the baseball I think the question about the powers of the baseball field being open. Um, I think we could do that through the Bay
Oaks wreck and maybe even a PR. Um, so yes, I agree 100% with that. >> There's a lot of misinformation out there and um some really big feelings. So um if we can keep um some of the staff members from maybe getting yelled
at and fingerpointed at um it could help. >> Agreed. >> Yeah. And there there's usually more to the story than what people see. You know, the reason we didn't open them right away is because we still had safety hazards there. We were putting up the pavilion.
We had heavy machinery there. So, we didn't want to put the posts in and the nets because we knew people would just climb the fence and play. >> And I don't think that was the issue, Jeeoff, that what we and again getting beat up is why did it take a year? And I understand we have the process, but if it's again, it's just the communication
of we're waiting for the permits, the drain plan, we this is the next step, you know, that they see progress in the communication. Got it. >> Yep. >> Anybody else? Any other member items? Do we have any more public comment?
>> That's a no. >> Can I just show one thing? And it wasn't on my radar until Barbara made her unfortunate news for me. Um, we do we will have the process coming up. I don't mean to say this right now because you're still here, but uh, you know, we will put
>> vacancy. Absolutely. >> We'll put out uh kind of request the the town clerk will um put it out on our Facebook page and everything that we're looking for another board cab member. Um, and then you'll be able to apply through that link um or call the clerk's
office to apply and then um I believe we may have it out for like 30 days. Do you know Ed what the time period is because you're >> I think it has to be at least 30 days. >> Okay. >> There is a Yeah, there's a time frame that it that it has to be open.
>> Okay, sounds good. So, it'll have to be open for a while and then the the council will vote on that um to who they they recommend be on board. So, if you want to Yes, that's fantastic. We are always, you know, looking for people to
to come and help us out. So, um, just the process is good. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jeff. Great. So, she, uh, joining to get going, so I'm going to go really fast. So, for the items for discussion next week, next we're going to add we have pocket parks, shade
sales, the FOP system update, pool update, silver sneakers. Uh, I'm going to keep the playground at the elementary. I know it's keeps a no. And then I'm going to add grants on there if there's any grants update. Uh so that if we could just you could just
give us a quick update and then um basically the agenda is going to start the planning session >> and then if if I could just I want to reiterate that so far we've been promised to receive from Jeff the old strategic plan the pool design plan and
some quotes for pricing on uh what what Rick was asking about lights roofs. >> Yep. I'll have what I you know and just a caveat when I send those a lot of them were from a few years ago already. >> Sure.
>> So um you know probably increase that 25 to 98%. I don't know what it is going to be. >> Oh and I'm going to add on there uh dog bag stands and women's door because I'm going to hold you to both of them. >> Got it. They're on my list.
>> Anything >> and I'll pass those on to Neil if I can't make it. uh bathrooms in two different ways. Uh do we have any other items that we want group we want to add on there? >> Michelle, is there any what what are your other issues with the restrooms besides the door? >> That's it. You can't get the women's door open.
>> Okay. No, I understand that you were saying to redo the bathrooms. >> Oh, I the um I didn't know if the roof was okay with them or if everything was all right there. >> Yeah, I mean they kind of they got redone after the storms. They're they could use probably some
extra stuff on the walls, but yeah. And in general, all the they had all new toilets, all new sinks. >> Yeah, I was just throwing out in general. And then the concession stand, I mean, it's just old and didn't know if there was anything there throwing it out. There's a >> still and probably for the next few
years going to be our public works and ranger station. >> Okay. Michelle, may I add one quick note? Joy, I know you need to scoot. Uh, one quick question to Jeff. Um, the doors you said you need, are they are they um
>> hurricane rated? They have to be metal. >> They have to be metal. They can't be an exterior door. >> Need to be metal commercial. >> They're swollen from the last hurricane. >> I was going to say I have a grant because I have a door that um I wasn't able to use on my build, but it's not metal, but it is hurricane rated. And
>> yeah, I think metal doors. >> It has to be metal. >> Too much equipment in there. So, >> okay. That was an expensive door sitting in my garage. >> Next meeting, uh, April 15th >> at noon.
>> All right. Meeting is adjourned. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. Second. Meeting adjourned. Neil didn't have my correct email before.