e e e good afternoon and welcome this is the town of Fort Meers Beach Bay Oaks Recreational campus Advisory board meeting commonly known as Bor cab we are
in the uh Town Hall Chambers on Oak Street the date is Wednesday February 19th 2025 at 12:04 not bad I'll call this meeting to
order and would you all please rise for our pledge to the flag it's right behind me Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation indivisible with liy and justice
for all thank you at this time for a roll call let's just uh go around the room and uh Karen we'll start over there with you as our
council member um I do actually have a thing I was looking it up on my phone here so I got a message oh we're just doing roll call now right not anything oh Karen W sorry Karen Woodson Tom
consan but I do have a thing to mention we weren't gonna stop good let score over Barbara Hill Eddie Simpson John D Becky gri michelley Jeff Hy all right very good so did you have something you wanted
to yeah I got a message from Mary torguson um hold on one here she said that okay so she had been working with Jesse for
friends BS um and Jesse obviously is no longer here and she said that there is an outstanding check um for $631 that has still not cleared the bank
and evidently it was from December of 2023 when we did the Christmas tree festival and remember we were right in the transition of getting the check's going to friends or coming from friends no it's um coming to friends okay that
hasn't cleared where is the question so I mean I don't know where we are with friends and everything I I do think that the town or we have an account there is a bank account but Jesse and I are the only ones own it right now so I could deposit something but I don't know where that check is because it wasn't the bank
account was not established at that time so maybe I just have them void that check and reissue a new one and then I'll give it to you Becky and then we can get it deposited it's at sandat bank so he wants that's what we talked about last time he wants to turn it over to somebody but we don't really know what to do with it cuz he's the main person
on it okay and he wanted to turn it over to me being the main person and then we need a secondary but then that it's not supposed to be any of us so right I don't know where to go from there which is another conversation I'm sure but I could deposit the money at least okay so let me ask her to reissue the check that
nobody knows where that check is okay and it hasn't cleared so I'll ask her to reissue that and then maybe at another meeting or something we can get on the agenda of what we're going to do about friends right okay that's all I have thank you okay that's good that she
noticed that it didn't clear yeah exactly so I think they're just trying to get everything in order from all the different events yeah but that one is outstanding okay thank you uh let's move on to item three the approval of the
minutes of the January 15th meeting I'd entertain a motion for approval of those minutes iute barbill Barbara Hill do we have a
second I'll second okay thank you any discussion if not all in favor indicate by saying I I I okay that
passes and at this time I guess they aren't lined up for us it would be nice if they were sometime wouldn't it be that brings us to our item seven our staff liaison report um yes I sent out the report um
unfortunately there's not a whole lot on there again um but I can give you some updates uh a lot of pickle ball going on for sure um been kind of keeping an eye on it there has been a number of tennis players as well throughout the day so um
just want to report that as as well um got some lessons going on um we do have the the after school program that's still going on we have about 42 kids that are registered
probably around 30 low 30s that actually attend every day which is actually a really good number um still with them being bust on uh Back to the Island um it's still a great number we're still at the library uh because Oaks is not quite open yet um
I have talked to the uh the insurance company who's redoing BS they think they'll be done by uh April at the latest so I do have a meeting with the flooring people and the the contractor
uh next week Monday 22nd um in regards to you know design and that kind of stuff but it's going to be pretty basic on there it's all going to be a uh with with some paint on there and then they'll do a clear coat on top kind of like a extra wax finish you're
talking about the floor in the gym floating in the gym and the everywhere else is all going to be epoxy okay no more tile okay um we just thought we'd you know with everything else we want to mitigate future damages so so you were I know during our last meeting you were
talking about possibilities of raising the floor so this is the update saying that's off the table uh we haven't heard back from the architect actually so we don't know what even the costs are going to be or what that might look like so the same architect is working on new town hall so that took priority uh for
him so we'll uh we haven't got it back yet so it's not I off the table we would just have to do a raise some funds and find out where we can raise the floor how we can raise the floor so not off the table but they can put the second floor the the raise floor right on top
of the epoxy anyway so oh I see that would be good are you going to line it how are you going to line it uh similar to how it was before we're going to I'm think one half of it is going to be lined more basketball with pickle ball lines of course and then the other side
I think we're going to do more pickle ball lines with basketball kind of in the the background I got you so um I think that'll be nice uh because that way the pickle ball players will have that in the inside then we'll also put volleyball uh in there as well
volleyball lines so nothing too dramatic or drastic just going to color code these or what yes it was like that before it was we had that before but yeah we can color code them um I have you know there there's some good good uh
things the the company that's going to do it has done basketball floors before or gym floors before so they have an idea and are going to come come with some uh some design options as well so what happens to the after school kids when the library opens does it matter they still continue to use the upper
yeah I think that's March I saw it was soon that's I was wondering middle of March I want to say it's like March 10th 10 I just saw next month yeah they'll continue to be there and then hopefully right after that we'll let on the floor in um the only
thing that that's really need to be done at the rec center they did all the plumbing uh all the electricals done um they have to put the big air handling units in uh yet and the flooring otherwise it's it's pretty good much good to go we did have some dry wall in
there that we decided as far as mitigation we put block instead like underneath the window of the the gym or the fitness equipment that was drywall around there we just have kept replacing it so we ended up doing just brick um so we don't have to pull the drywall next
time if but we know it's going to happen again um next time it does flood but uh um Sunday March 16th is the open house yeah so hopefully some are house for Library oh for Library yeah and the flooring shouldn't take very long and
they're they're set to go the company that that they pick so hopefully this will move a little quicker getting BS open and we won't have to wait a year and a half to get it open it'll be a lot quicker so so you say sometime in April it should be they think sometime in
April yeah okay so that's that's their plan um he said he doesn't as much as he likes it here he's got other projects and he doesn't want to be here in may not that he doesn't want to be doesn't want to be doing this project in May so right um he's trying to get it pushed along as well so but there isn't a whole
lot left I think the air handlers I think are are coming in soon they I saw they just brought the the forklift to get them up and raise them so they're working on raising them um and then uh once those are in we can do it without we can be open without AC too I mean the gym wasn't built with AC so that was an
afterthought um so as long as it's ready to get in we can get in Je before this does open fully and then all the programs are operational it would seem to me that because you do have activity at b o that the message could be a
little more positive because everything that comes out of the Town says Bay Oaks is closed Bay Oaks is closed and then at the very bottom you can see oh well we do have a camp for kids and we do have pickle ball and we do have tennis so if you can take that bottom information and
put it up at the top to say yes wild Bay Oaks is aici closed these are the programs that are actually happen I'll talk it's a perception thing Jeff do we know we had talked in it says in the minutes that we're going to have full courts added we've got two
I'm G to say one and a half operational back there when are they going to finish those other courts we are right now they're averaging 25 and sometimes as many 35 people at back at those pickleball courts and um the I'm on the board and honestly we've got
to deal with two things I mean we've got to get a bathroom back there I mean can't we have a temporary um porta potty until we get a bathroom back there there are bathrooms up here though yeah but you lock them they're locked in the
weekends they shouldn't be I know that now because they're not they're supposed to be open seven days a week seven to seven um the staff from what I understand from the staff they were told that we had issues with potentially people stay okay I'll I'll deal with that one yeah that's I did not know that they weren't
open they need to be open they are yeah they are not open um but I don't even know there's a lot of people having to walk it is a hall from back at those pickleball CLS we're just talking for three months to put a p of potty back there um there's people it'll help if
you can tell us you know those 247 but I just really want to push to get those courts done I mean listening to everybody I know myself if I play pickle ball the island when I'm done I stop and get my groceries at Publix I get my gas at 7eleven and I pick everything I need up at CVS you get me off the island and
I go run all my errands off of there and we're heing you can tell it's like wait a minute too many people and they're leaving they're going to other courts um because we are really it is getting backed up back there and you can tell that by the parking because we're having to park over here to get to the season
I'm like it's busy everywhere everywhere is backed up right now and I I'll I'll work on those those other a couple courts we did get some feedback that the courts were too close they only wanted two so that's that's part of why we didn't
quite yet and CU we were just getting the feel of what what everyone wanted back there I did get some feedback that they were too close together they only wanted two the issue is with the courts to the West is they need to be moved over about two feet because they're too close um
you can't serve there but there's add additional 9 ft to theast towards the other corre towards the fence it just needs to be and I've reviewed this of Glenn and those other two courts Glenn was back there when there was a whole crew back there
putting the black so you we taped all they came in and tempor and we taped all four the tape came off in three days soon as it rained all the tape came off so temporary well but we've got the black tape at one and that's working so if we could just do the other three we're
looking at a low investment I know I I know I'm pushing B but I thought it was funny the other day that even like the Sandals Resort is saying hey we have pickle ball pickle ball is like a destination one when people go on vacation they want to know that they can go play pickle ball somewhere and you
know knowing that the courts are available so I just I mean everybody it's not that big of an expense including that I would get funding from these folks to have it done if we if we've got the permission I mean we've been back there we fixed the Nets we
back post we've um moved the rock we've moved the benches we've cleaned things I mean they're really doing everything they can to make that as comfortable as three people here yeah and we we just got the new NS in yesterday so we have brand new nets
for you and that's it's got we just got to find time to put them together yeah and that's the Nets are the Nets isn't the we're dealing with them they actually put a ruler in my bag and somebody grabs them and adjusts them every day so we're making do believe these have cranks on them so they can stay tight
okay try to put so we could get the other cords fix y we can uh can work on that as a person deeply rooted in Aquatics we envy your problems yeah yeah I mean if you go to a good set of problems you know like I said I go to
the Naples by there's people 50 60 people wait so I mean yeah we're doing our best to to get up we'll uh I'll talk to the guys and see if they can Reign those I do have one question we get them permanently and it might be preemptive in your report but do we have plans to
cover the outside Fitness area yes and the materials CU that would be an incredible effort in the interim while while the gym is not open yet that yeah and it's busy out there so but but getting a c we we have all the materal
we just called for locates I think we got our locates last week um so they actually went to go get the sound tube today the Footers and we'll put them in so hopefully in the next week or so yeah CU I mean kind of makes a huge difference thinky backing on what Barbara said you know getting information out that would
be great information too that look at the process and we hope to have this open on and the beauty is you get the RO near future there are people out there today there's a ton of people out there all the time but that could be some positive messaging and a great result yeah once we get while B is being worked
on that's it hopefully the next it's just a matter when the guys they only have so much time and so many projects so try I've got shs again I know I the all right anything else um I guess
just the uh Redevelopment of course we had to cancel uh reject the other bids that we had um it got put out it's the intent to put out for bid got put out this week um so
hopefully we're we're meeting with um drmp again to modify the plans again because we were grossly over budget to what we have you know we have the $1 million Grant and the 1 Mill million do U match so $2
million total and our our um our lowest bid was 3.6 so and we have to hit those the criteria that's in the grant that we've talked about before um so we're g to kind of rethink how we're going to do it um for
instance now that we're not having a building right now we don't need as big of a parking lot which parking was around 700,000 uh out of the budget for just parking uh we can reduce that obviously because since we don't need it there
anymore um and for now we wouldn't even need to do asphalt I don't think I think having some crushed shell for now would be fine um if we don't get this done by August 31st we'll lose that gr they're not
going to give us another extension so we're just trying to get something in place where we can get kind of the meat and potatoes of the the park done which would be the multi-purpose field walking trail you know the picnic
areas don't have to be big Tiki Huts um for right now you know we can always go out and try to find another grant for that since we're the money's a little tighter um the pickall courts are in there there's four of them and the lighting for that uh Pavilion for the
pickle ball and what else I missing on we already did the playground we already did the tennis courts yeah I think that's it so we've working with drmp to um you know cut
those costs down a little bit so we can get we're right now we're going to put it out for bid for 2 million Max we just don't have anymore um money to put to it so if we can't do the two million then we're going to have to try to ask the state if we can PC mail it together but part of there it's a part of the it's a
state and a Federal grant passed down through the federal government so we can't we they say we have to follow our procurement policy or their procurement policy which is go off for bid if no one bids on it again it's not like we can just wait so we're going to have to maybe ask for permission to kind of
Peace meal it have somebody do the ground work have do this without without bids um or you just do quotes instead so so there's no chance that we could actually do some of it ourselves with this process yeah that was my question too
and actually Jeff I just really need to get that figure but what did what did the bids come in as three something 3.6 was the lowest and six point something was the highest okay three point let's say 3.5 would or maybe even four would
be the difference between the two and the four so it's basically coming up with approximately $2 million we're all from what they bid we're 1.6 million over what we can spend but to Karen's point I mean you know it's it's awful to hear that we
could lose that million dollar Grant and so it seems to me that the town could somehow pick up that difference to get this project going and you know maybe with a loan or something that we could kind of get this ball rolling our hands
are kind of tied with the the bridge loan that we got we can't do capital and we can't we won't be able to take out we won't take out another loan um for this project so so we we at a million dolls we St to lose a million no I the hope is we can we can get it done but but
Barbara are you saying like and I thought that's what you were saying Karen it's like okay prioritize the items right and just say okay for a million dollars we can get X right we but we have to those five things have to be in there for the gr all five and
you're talking actually there was eight but we already took care of three of them and that you're talking about the entire complex you're not just talking about the pool that's different pool's not we talking this this is the multi-purpose field picnic areas which could be just picnic
tables for now um a walking path which we could do Crush shell instead of some nicer thing for now and we could always go out and try to get more grants later um parking was in there so we got to do some parking we have a plan for that
minimal spots by the by the pickle ball um but they're saying that we have to go through an RFP process because it'll be over 75,000 thousand so that's that's what's really tying us up is yeah we already put it out for bid already and it we just
didn't the numbers wouldn't work out so they're not allowing us with our people to do any portion of it we literally have to go out for bid on it um I'm not sure or could our PE or could our people be the bid part of the bid process like do you have to turn in
bills after saying this is what you spent or do you have to turn I mean for instance we did the the um batting cage that was one thing we need a new batting cage so we already built that M um we already built out um resurfacing the tennis court that was part of the grant that they paid for
um the little playground was also part of the that Grant so that's already done we already kind of pieced that together um I just don't know anything in here like if your guys got the crush shell and created a walking path themselves do you just turn in proof that you made the walking path or do you need like a bill
saying this is our final bill so we got a um we I'm not sure we could do that just because of the earth work and the permits that we got from DP oh so there's Retention Ponds there's drainage
that's all part of this permit that we spent two years getting you know it took us two years to get the actual permit um so could we we don't even have that equipment maybe would would the amount of the shell be over 75,000 it might
then we'd have to go off for bid for that right yeah wish it was that easy for sure we we we've tried to think of every Avenue possible I mean can we can we sub it out ourself but then you still have to go out for a bit of anything
like the earthw work itself the field came back I think the lowest one was 1.2 for just the field and that's just gr that's not a that's not lighting that's just the area and the earth work that goes with it so I mean that's it's a big
area of grass right irrigation would be in there of course um some fencing but it's not going to be a ball field which I think the ball field was originally how many years ago that you started this thing was the ball field was
1.5 so we tried to at least slim it down even more by not doing you know the whole ball field part of it the ball field lighting which is 700,000 um you know it all adds up pretty quick and we have to hit all those parameters
of the grand so it's it's difficult um now we were thinking more of a grand scheme of things the first round and we had extra money right we had that extra I think it was 10 million for the parks and that that got lost during he so we
ended up doing a little bit with Bayside um it was supposed to be for Time Square and our Park which would have included the the building but now we're stuck at this 1 million with one million 2 million to so we put it out for bid we talked to
drmp yesterday we have plenty we could put it out in we did the math we could put it out in April which we're not we're going to do it much sooner than that with that first week of of March I think we're going to put the bid out um we can put it out in April and still
have enough time to get it done by August 31st August okay are you saying that that bid that you're about to send out will not include all of these things that are now already done done correct okay yes so it is a far reduced scope of
project no the batting cage was probably about 5,000 out of the 2 million um the tennis courts was minimal for resurfacing uh the playground was a couple hundred thousand so really nickel and diming it nickel and diing that part of it so we have the
majority of the 2 million left um and if honestly if we were able to get our FEMA money right now it' be a different story you know we just don't it could be years before we even see nothing's coming through on
female really I mean all the commitments everything that's nope you mean commitments that we did have and when did that change well it we still may get it it's just been on hold yeah it's change of administration change was that since November is that what your saying
oh even before that before that but they even said it could take 5 to 10 years to get fum of money right there getting it for Katrina that was at05 yeah we were doing we we had close outs for Katrina and herma still since I've been here I mean Katrina they're still so
that's why you know krina I hear from I in Mississippi and Louisiana they're still try Mone but yeah it's it's disheartening 20 years messed up system so $2 million and we probably I mean it sounds like an impossible task here no if we if we it's
called value engineering it's it's it's going to be a value plan kind of thing for for right now just to get it you know get it done and then we can apply for other grants to improve it um later on so we're just looking for Baseline basically Baseline so you're
going out you're saying you got $2 million yeah that's it that's all you got no change orders no nothing MH and we could I mean I don't know I mean we can reduce the number of pickle ball courts we but
it's not what we want to do that's priority but you're just saying preparing the ground the ground work itself is looking to be close to 2 million did you I mean the in the initial one in the initial one yeah it was it was about one I think
1.2 it's still I think there's there's ways we can we have all the material now too so that that's the other thing is that we're getting all the concrete from the Windom too so out here we have enough stuff we can Crush for that base fill we don't have to
bring in anything anymore so that's gonna also reduce the cost so all that concrete you see will get crushed up and used as fill so do you does the town then hire a Crusher is that how that works or a wood Chopper or no it's it's part of the it'll be part
of the bid it'll be part of the okay right yeah wow we could we just it'd be over 75,000 I you know we know people that can do it that's a I can come do it today because of the
procurement the paperwork the bureaucracy sure yeah youyous yeah yeah so I mean I know even the contractors when I like is this going to be fem money like no it's not we don't get that yet we don't have that
like because it's fem money what does that matter anyway but um yeah that's that's the bummer part of it for sure luckily you know you have any other questions about that can so we're taking the concrete from the wind
that's coming here it's been what donated well either they take it off and pay for it or they drop it off here for free and then we can use it so then we can use it okay yeah perfect good and well I mean look at it all out there anyway time we've been stockpiling it for that reason that's what that's for
makes sense you b y um so that's where we sit fingers crossed we'll get somebody to bid on it for two million I think we can reduce it enough um when we start to move things around
too much then it possibly jeopardizes that permit which took two years to get so separate apart from the grants what is the town specifically the Town Council interested in doing to put this in as a top priority because of a
quality of life issue for the residents and visitors but to me this is a huge priority and why is it not being discussed in other words if we're short of funds let's make the funds happen I mean I know I know there's a
budget issue right but I mean there's got to be i' I've not heard a lot of verbal commitment from Council with regard to saying this is a top agenda item maybe the town hall was the top agenda item now that the town hall is complete am I hear that maybe this is
now going to be discussed we have a lot of top priorities Town Hall basically I mean they we had staff that that lobbied for it you know with ranking and Andy for sure um but that's going to be that got paid for that was all FEMA money
right no no state that was State money that wasn't FEMA state state gave that to us partly because if we would have built a town hall it would have been 25 to 30 million and this is going to cost us with that other property maybe like 10 yeah um and it's a great building uh
just need a little renovation here and there um the other priorities would be um you know obviously the pool we got money for now or well we're getting money for now haven't seen it yet
haven't seen it yet uh we have had quite we have had some good discussions um one being this morning um with the grant administrator and we're they're just about ready to be done with the environmental reviews which is great um
and then once all that goes and they can once once the check marks get checked off then they'll give us the Mone okay we're just we're getting there we're really close um you know the the water tower that's a big one the North Water
Tower hasn't worked even before I um right now like everyone can see if we have a main break we're pulling everything out of the South power once that's empty there's no water there's no water so for me and I know I I don't want to
say this but as a town that might be a bigger priority than yeah granted um Time Square also there's there's hazards that are there we need to redo all the the pavers we need lighting down there um we have we have plans I just met with
someone this morning actually uh to put in their they're not patio lights but they're simp ilar that are pretty bright uh Turtle friendly of course um so he's going to send me a quote on that so at least so there this is a priority here I
me they're all priorities we just got to find the funding for the priorities um you know we got Town Hall done we got the um CBD grr money to do the pool to do the tower um and do lighting down old St
caros um we have two million to do this so hopefully we can get that done um um I'm actually I was more reassured yesterday um with the r&p that we can get it done for two million
um yeah I mean and all of our roads you know it's just I I get emails every day about you know the patchwork on the roads well we do have some money to do it we just got to get it you're you're talking about the side streets not the I mean our road was
terrible and we were without water the other day so I said our Road's terrible and we didn't have the other day so there I mean when you talk priorities for the town I mean I can't speak for the council but there are a lot of priorities out there but I do know and my BS will be open soon um we have a fitness Court which will be covered um
here coming up um I know that's not a lot but it's it's what we're going to have for a little bit and I'm confident that this this uh this can work I know Andy's really Town manager is really pushing us to get this done um as a major priority because we do have money
towards it so we're going to try to make it work as best we can I don't know yes well and I mean if you look at the big scale of things of all the infrastructure Works needs to be done this is not a priority got I mean
it's it's great to have for during season everything and but it's compared to water or sewer lines or things like that it's it comes much lower on the list so is the town of Fort Meers Beach
responsible for repaving all of those roads that have been torn up because of all of the you know the infrastructure construction I I'm speaking personally because I live in the midst of all that so is that coming out of the Town budget those repaving I think that's coming out
of the storm water if they're just patching yeah well they're patching now but the idea is that all and especially like in Shell Mound all of those roads are torn up but the idea that once everything is already now underground that they come in and redo all of the
roads I think that's part of the storm water grant okay yeah on the on the certain and that's a not all of them but the ones that they've torn up and they've done repiping and all that but after after lean and Milton I mean yeah yours barar I know
yours is bad um but there's other ones that were that got washed out you know complet came through and loosened everything up and then Milton came and just washed away everything so we spent a lot on gravel so far just to try to patch and we're constantly and I I I get it it's a big thing you know um we're
constantly getting emails about I Karen is too about the streets and when are we going to start redoing the streets and yeah when we again so so that funding that stor water funding with that funded through a grand or was that funded to through town budget no that was cdbg or
before I started but oh oh that goes back to the original storm water yeah that was tier one that they have always one that was partially a grant and partially our funding okay so I think it
was like yeah Capital funding so was like almost a match kind of a match and even that was done in I guess State like to call it tiers but they it's all tier one right um you know there's there's other parts of Fort Meers Beach that are on like stage two and stage three so I
think the disheartening part and the hard part to wrap your head around and it's I mean we all get it because we live here that it's so overwhelming and there's so many different projects to do like in our own houses alone much less an entire Island but then the idea that we have this million dollars and we've seen the grants go away we've seen us
lose grants because we could not get the work done in time it's like it has to get done we don't want to lose the Grant and it's it becomes not a priority because there's so many things that have to have the island function like I said our road is terrible and we were without water for hours the other day it sucks my kids are like I'm like don't flush
the toilet like I mean it it sucks but you know it's it's just hard to like comprehend all of it and figure out like what you know what does get done first but how do we not lose the money because then then the money's gone it's a lot of money to us we're contining to push
forward on it and you know tried twice now to get it done both have been rejected right um yeah when you add the other layer in two that we have to go out for bit we have to go out to rfps we can't do it ourselves there's so many rules there's so many rules and right
believe me they want nothing more than for this to expire of course you know and we're just like Energizer Bunny trying to get everything they asked for a longer extension and they only gave us till August 31st right John but pushing
forward I'm trying to put this together so it's not the can of worms but I'm not good at that I just open it no I'm a I'm a coach so I always want my team to focus so I want to bring it back to boks and just ask a a simple question
that's not a simple question we have so many developers that haven't even pled their case yet mhm the naughty phrase of public benefit does it have to be on the property they're going to develop or can
we show this beautiful thing that we can't quite afford and and and and just get that in the conversation I don't know if we can yes or no legally yes or no do it if we can procedurally do it if we have the policies to do that but we we do get and
I I apologize in advance to our vice mayor we get in the Weeds about the bathrooms and we get in the Weeds about looking through a building and those things are going to be wonderful and they're going to be these architectural I think beautiful buildings whether we love them or we
don't love them for our own reasons but we have a part par and a fitness area and a a a true Community Center that we don't seem to be able to fund and I look across the bay I'll do
this I'll do this in a in a backhanded way I look across the bay at Towers being built that are already sold out and one or more coming our way can conversations be had in the early
conversations that we would love to to have this beautiful place but we can't afford to do it and but with help we can I know it's not a simple question no and I think where where that comes into play
is through the impact fees and so we're restructuring the impact fees right now so for example seate agreed as part of their public benefit to whatever that restructuring look like and whatever
that percentage look like they were all in so but we have to restructure them because of the way they're set up now which were set up I don't know 30 years ago they don't have all the right categories anymore so we have to restructure it we got to put in the
right categories so that we can use that funding for things like this because you've got certain lines that can be used just General and then there's other lines that can only be used for say sewer
infrastructure water infrastructure you know those kinds of things so part of that meeting that we had a month ago with the um Consultants that's part of their job is they are restructuring our impact fees structure
so that we can pull the money from the right funds and not have IRS issues and government issues and everything else so it is underway but we're probably 2 to 3 months from having it finalized yeah
however every developer that is coming in part of their deal is they have to agree oh sure to whatever this is going to be and it's a real unknown for them too but are you ask they're all having to comply from is
that is that like from in onward or how far back does that go for probably just from Ian because Ian is the disaster that took out all of these buildings that make these lots available yeah that's I was going to say we didn't have these big even with the roads like we didn't have all these wash outs before
the storm so we had we had Road impact Fe too we had gas tags what however you want to call it um but not enough to redo everyone's Road I mean I don't think that was really the question oh well it it was cuz it answered a lot okay but there's get now I'll be a
simple proactive Goodwill through something like the friends and showing what we want to build and showing what we want to have and at the same time messaging but we just can't have that and the way that there may be a road to get that is
through some incredible proactive Goodwill and and the problem with and I I don't mean well not relying on it yeah yeah but we can't even get people to step up for friends yeah none of us can we can't be on it right if we're on Bay
forab which is part it's it's an advisory committee to Our Town Council totally so none of us can be on it it has to be separate we have we have the paperwork done but we don't have the board of directors or anything else set
up don't have the bylaws nothing bylaws nothing so need a group to do that challenge down to our group to bring two names to our next meeting or before I have one that's a yes I don't want to say the name in The Record because this
person needs to be approached officially and I have another and they they live on the island and Thrive at Bay Oaks when it's open and of course they swim um but you know they're they're they're retired
and want to be impactful but not to the point of sitting at this table they would rather be out doing it but that's I mean that's the kind of people we need amay that's what friends is it's a financial arm right it's the fundraising arm yeah but I mean I am laying down the
challenge to all of us that within a month we all bring two names we could bring two NOS but we could try mhm and and truly bring a couple of people each because because once that is
established it's another road to what my simple Ted question is is if that looks very legitimate and it is very legitimate then there's more of a willingness to look at it if you're the group with funds to make the community
better but I think to your point John earlier you were saying you know you need almost a hook or something that will entice people to be to want to be involved so the visuals the graphics this is the this is what we want for the
pool what we want for the grounds um and that package really sort of has to be coales I would think to make people understand why they need to be a member of friends and what is the objective of friends uh to go forward to say this is
what we're advocating for because to ask two people but they're saying well what does friends do well what is the purpose of friends because I don't think that we've been able to articulate that years ago friends existed and was successful because we didn't have uh we had a Lee
County recreation centers before the town became Incorporated so when the town was incorporated the friends group advocated to keep this a beach uh complex but we just need another reason for why people need to be involved and
supportive of friends so I don't know where you get that Co well I think that the the visual getting it out there in Social media and not just the visual but the this is what we would love to provide here's where we are in the process and here's why we're not quite
there yet because reading that somebody is going to say oh well I know how we could do this I know how we could do that so that because there's a lot of people that are inspired right now to talk about not being able to get to dinner on time and if we put out the
positive with a a question for solution then we made every effort I'm GNA live in the ideal I don't care what anybody's trying to do to me so are you saying John that that would be the staff's responsibility to get
that visual out there to put it on the town's website or at least in ask because we can all make it as viral as we can and then we can we can share that you know in other words if it's on Facebook we can share that so my gosh look at all that we want to do what we
can't so let's get on the I would guess it would be pretty viral pretty fast and and people will lean in and have their opportunity to complain about the next thing that's okay people just want some want to complain some want to help some want to wait till you're done so they
can anyway might as well you know yeah I mean but that's that's everything that's everything picture is what we need exactly a picture says more than anything if we had a picture of your vision for the pool I haven't I've never
seen what you guys are thinking I mean I don't know I've heard talk about a splashy thing I don't know that we have any we don't have anything we don't have any architecture don't have Mone anything we have to pay an architect I me we will though I mean part of part of
the CB dgr is is the design phase of right so we we'll get there real soon I'm very visual I get it and without saying his name out loud I think I know of an architect on board that would probably do a couple of dream plans down to a reality plan
and then everybody has all these visuals wow we get we're going to get a grant for this and we will have to build the pool the way that it's granted so for instance we did the same thing with Newton Park we had um who came in and did that one um who did that session I
can't remember I can't remember I can't remember anyway we had it was like a workshop that yeah we had a group it was through FEMA actually oh yeah oh the um that was do Soul what was it not CD I keep thinking cdb no the ones
that um R2 Pichu R2 Pichu came in and we had we put it out we had two nights I think it was two nights of visioning sessions um for Newton Park and you know I was thinking we'd get a lot of people it was Newton park it was Time Square
yeah it was old San Carlos I think those was it those three they were urban planners yeah yeah they were we had a few people show up but not many I thought we were gonna have more that you know because everyone wants Newton open Newton open they all have an
opinion we had a we had a visioning session where we basically designed which I think we all agreed that was a great design it really was um you and now we have money for it that we can put that design into place
so you know we can we do something similar that's what we were looking for what what we did successfully with Newton Park plans are ready can we do that for BOS as soon as we get the funding for the drawings and things we
can and it's going to happen the whole thing it's not like B the Redevelopment where we it was what 10 years ago we started this process this is going to happen fast yeah we want it to happen fast we want to get the pool open we're all sick of hearing when's the pool going to open when the pool going open
so um yeah we want as much input as we can um but once we have those we need people to show up as well so you're saying that there's really nothing that you can put in your website the town's
website to in incite individuals to become involved as friends of BS because just just the big projects right now are are are tough but for friends yeah we can yeah I mean once a a plan and a
visual and things are out there we can take it upon ourselves to spin it to here's how you help if you want to help if you want to see this if you'd like to have a picnic back there here's how we get there it doesn't happen tomorrow you know that delayed
gratification is what people are not into anymore but that's too bad it's what we have to be it's it's it's too quick and we you know there there are developments this telling they're going to take 10 years 12 years whatever it's going to be and we we know that um but I
think this is attainable to get open sooner now that we're going to get the funds so I have a question so I know that there's a couple Architects out there that they have done gratus
kind of designs um but for 501 c3s not for government can we accept that as a government as a town can we accept gratus
that would be a great question for Andy right yeah I I I don't know the answer to that I I would well even as a town though we can we can accept donations it doesn't have to be a 501c3 that's true we have the 5013c it was set up can we
not go through that no we could but I'm just saying that we but it's the town that's building you know that that's getting all the funding for the park and all that would have to receive the funding and do all that too
you're more talking in do this I'm talking just like an in kind donation just to get visuals out there of what we have what our thought process is yeah and if the town can't then again it kind of goes back to the legitimacy of the
Optics of that of that friends we need to have that I mean that's our foundation we really don't have right because I think there are local Architects that would say hey give me your ideas and I'm going to you know whatever they have to do for their tax
or charity and time report that because they're giving it to a 501c3 and then and then the friends come here or to a council or or just to Andy and staff yeah say you know the Women's Club we don't have to invent any of all
in kind right you know the Women's Club was all in kind I wish I had my house and house here all the time you would be so tired of me up here yeah he's got a whole layout of what it's the first was so that's so old none of that has happened well at
least it's a baseline to give it a you put that out there for this that's all people see and then when it doesn't come to fruition then oh my gosh do you have problems to deal with read the Ampitheater no just the just the walk
path with where the four pickle ball courts will go and just that's all that's all been on the website for years yeah I know with pools when you're when you want to put visuals in somebody's head and
not just the dream ones attach them to the costs if there's three of something you know the the the need the want and the dream and the wish well is I mean those three things something's going to happen inside of those three borders
right and I I think we can get some people on board that'll just help with it and they're not going to do the plumbing and construction drawings for nothing but the the visuals of what a facility could be could be
M I'm getting on the phone as soon as we adjourn yeah and even even the conversation we had this morning with the facilitator was you know you you get to put like for like as far as replacing the major structur we can't build a massive building over there with that you know three M building and then a
waiting pool I can't that it's got to be the footprint of that um we can add to the outside um and add to it but the the main I'll say again meat and potatoes has to be the same yeah but do we have any kind of designs on that you'll be
amazed I've not seen one you'll be amazed at what fits in the unused part oh yeah in the unrequired part of that footprint 50 m pull it can be two lanes I don't care but it fits it fits it's usable
mhm swim up juice bar fits I mean what what does the community want what you put in your juice drink is wants many things for that pool they always have I mean they've always wanted the lab swimmers only wanted for lab swimming the it's every aquatic everybody want
it's every yes so um the only one's nice and come in and just have fun in the water Ro yeah it allit it all fits in the just kidding good old days yeah so and play nice I mean you ask some people
and they may want a whole water park which yeah you know but is that gonna there was talking that too that's right A lot of people comes I mean the summer we make probably most of our money with kids coming into the pool you
know and and they love the slide they line up you know adorable they like the they are the little kids they just have they're all lined up you know ready to go we had the obstacle course but when we had that in then people couldn't lap swim so it the pool is a lot of look
at hoe he barely got in the the water you read the whole time there but we got it done it wasn't like Optimum but it was serviceable for the community this one I mean just going back to it there's going to be a lot of uses for this pool you know that so so the drps or DRM
whatever cutting it down here to get a picture of the pool right we need some seed money to draw the picture or to have this visioning session and we're waiting for the Dr MP
XX money oh cdbg yeah whatever I don't know y the Dr is the architect for this we need money is what I guess I'm cutting through all this right we just need a little bit of money to do these envision session so that we have a
picture so that we can throw it out to get people excited Y and we're this far from there and once that cdbg funding comes through there is a whole segment in there for design design and planning yeah we're all invited right
to can we put it within a day of work please but that's selfish so do it on one your house not finished yet mowing the lot the afternoon okay I don't know where we started with this conversation but and then oh I
caused it I told you as a c and I'll finish it I have a count right now of since December 1st 30 teams that would have already trained here in randit space in the pool and stayed in our hotels since enough hotels do we have
the hotels for we have them within reach and we have hotels that are willing to work with groups maybe next year CU it's that CU we've had that's the holiday training season and it's before our season and then as soon as our season is
over there's Open Water training season but they need a pool too so we just had something else that some other festival that dropped out because we didn't have enough oh the um boat races yeah the boat RAC just the area and quite honestly
even with the ones that are in progress right now now like Best Western is going to open um and Lon Kai just opened that barely puts us back at 50% I don't think it does 47% you're talking
about available hotel rooms occupancy rate ah occup pre and then that's still just 50% nothing it's at 44 right now with those open three four years but even if while that's being built these teams will be eating in our restaurants
and then they'll back and they're for rent and but there's no other the chicken or the egg let's get going right now once the window most of them are the the condos or the um what they call the interval ownerships that kind of thing
yeah wow right so the only real hotels that are coming back Lon Kai just came back but it's not in the account yet and Best Western's coming back in another two weeks but that won't even get us at 50% of what we had before even red wow
boy I have a question that has nothing to do with B really quickly since we're talking about occupancy did Red Coconut count like did their Lots count for occupancy or no no okay because I know margarit wasn't open before but now it does count so I'm wondering if that kind of was a one it opened after Ian it opened it's in the count already so
right now we're yeah right now we're at 28% they did Count they did count those rooms in though for the new one though right like since Ian that's our current included those in there cuz it was being built oh yeah but we're like right now
we're only at maybe 30% and then when they include Lon thaai and Best Western it'll maybe get us to 45% right but then then there's nothing well yeah like wendam has no potential right now like you can't just
no there's nothing being built there's no groundbreaking there's nothing being built like Neptune Neptune is is a Time share oh it's a time share but the ones that were real hotels like wi them and Outrigger wait a minute no I'm wrong Neptune is
not a time share Neptune is hotel eibc is the time share okay so I thought it was so Neptune when they break around but that's still two years out M yep before it's they're ready to go so in the meantime people come and go the same day because I've seen
it but we still have no matter how many rooms we have we still have a downtime where even the rooms we have aren't and that's when so many things can be scheduled with this big plot of lamp because teams will come here events will come here and and certainly
training will come here love that during the down because across the street there's a beach yes and every kid and every family will put up with hard training if they're walking across to the beach afterw we have to I think it comes back
to our maybe our biggest first responsibility is to get the friends running it's established but we have to get it running so then we can actually help the town I put a fly for the senior softball
yes I got one person said they might be interested one one person out of all those guys 4 really yeah yeah well I know it's honestly I'm I'm on the nominating committee for friends of Lovers Key and it's the same way we've
had four open board positions for two years now really we can't get filled that's even with lever's key wow yeah and most of us should be off according to our bylaws we should be off the board right now but we just keep
going and we keep extending year by year by year because we can't find people to commit to be on the board which is why now with BR Oaks if we can establish it ahead of time then we won't run into that we're trying to ourselves off right are there parameters for membership of
the board because I don't think you could do that with a for friends or for for for friends of B like residency or anything for that you shouldn't have to Beed our recruits just went Nationwide they could go anywhere okay perfect I
got a couple yeah I mean there's that use BS for after school that don't live on island too right or Y just getting nobody has to live on the island to be on the friends awesome at all so but they have to be present for meetings
that kind thing yeah and we yeah like Lovers Key we even do our because of traffic right now we do all of our meetings by Zoom yeah just because nobody wants to sit in the traffic and go to the welcome Discovery Center and try to get home again exactly so yeah so
you just have to yeah terrible you just have to broaden how you operate have some good news for you good news we did some interviews yes did you have anything else on the tax
status oh uh are we are we with the staff we had we conducted interviews for the um Bok manager uh and we want a good report that we we did hire somebody um an external candidate uh he's got a lot
of Aquatics experience parks and wreck experience um he worked he was Aquatics director at Deerfield Beach for a while uh he worked at the pools here as a director uh or as a manager um he was a director of Aquatics at a couple places
so he's got uh a lot of pool experience he was excited that we're building a new pool and I think that's really going to help us out and and U you know because I'm not as pool as I am W um wanted to hire somebody that can really
take charge of that he had all the he knows all about all the new things and filters and all those um so it' be nice to have have him involved his name is Neil matis um him involv he'll start March
3 um have him involved in you know almost the project management so even though we'll have a project manager you still have to oversee and they'll have questions and all that stuff stuff as week as we go so we're excited um you know he does have a lot of rack experience too working with groups of
people and of all ages um where does he live ish like not on the island not on the island okay oh no what we pay I don't think we for that's why I don't live here really
nice tent but Fort Meers area somewhere area yeah he lives in Fort Meers yeah he's got a couple kids which is great young kids a family um he's from uh the area he grew up here did you go to Maddox did you say was his last name
mathys mathys y he's from Estero so he's local nice so he's excited to do you know the field trips for the the seniors and everything get going so uh he'll be involved in these for our next meeting of course okay uh and be running the
meetings once get him up and and up to speed so cool we're excited for that it's he's he's good he's he's uh he's got some good ideas he's excited to be down here um so he used to come to the the pool a lot when
he was growing up so that's great we can take a little lead out of your backpack and put it in his yeah that's important I mean that that focus on this super you're not you don't have the ability to have I mean you have the ability but you know what I mean
all right so I think that was it now no other Staffing changes that I can think of can I ask you about the egg Easter egg hunt yeah is it where's it gonna be here on the on the baseball oh y that's
cool and around the we used should do it around the building for the older ones and on the field for the younger ones which building oh can you still do that because of I mean I don't know
construction it's just all outside yeah we don't have a lot of construction going on outside okay cool that grass is looking a lot healthier the it's the 19th right that they're doing it the Easter egg it's the 12th right say oh 12th okay I know they were
looking for volunteers to help the 19th we're at te tournament y maybe we can get the Easter Bunny to show up again coat of many colors that guy soon as they dry off I think that is it oh are
the kids um at the after school programs are they doing anything in either the Shrimp Fest Parade or the so far St Patty's nothing did do it last year they did it they did it last
year um well I know they we did had a float last year had a float last year well that was for four of July yeah Fourth of July shrimp we did I don't think so I think the only one that we that we did last year was Fourth of July I remember a float just a lot of sleep
since then I don't remember when it was I think had one too but I don't think in shrimp shm no but we are going to do it I mean it's coming up but probably still get in you probably have a better chance of
getting in the um St patties P the St Patty's Day um because that's being run by the Women's Club yeah when's the Shrimp Festival March 8th 8th is the parade 8th
and 9th is the Shrimp Festival and then the next weekend isre the St patties St Patty's on the 15 Dian Cil said they're going to take flads for the shrimp fest up until the day well that's right she just said that yeah
um yeah so I just I didn't know if anybody was planning to do anything with that I am in it but not for B and that would be one of the things no once we get and we get somebody that can really
organize that you our staff is so small right now bring okay but you sorry that took a long time oh that's great news great discussion okay okay are we finished with the staff
Lea on tax status no we haven't gone to the pool yet oh Betty oh the site plan for the pool I think we kind of talked about yeah we talked I did send out a map to everyone hopefully you all got it at least what it is so I I don't know
what they're it's up to you all but I don't have any plans or anything of what we're thinking of so I just I know the last time you wanted me to send out the I don't know if you wanted to talk about it well are you
saying that there's going to be someone uh that will be responsible for coming up with the concept plan that we could then discuss so is it premature for us to have a conversation until such time as the Design Group because that's how
that could be I was asked to put it on this agenda so because Ed Ed's got it up on his screen here and and it's the one that you sent the the photograph actually aerial photograph I mean that could be the Point of Departure in terms of you know inciting the friends group
do you say as you say John but I think before we go forward we need to have a design of what we're looking forward to no this is what's existing we're painfully aware yeah oh I know I know yeah I want to push it forward but
I hate to bring it up always and we're happy to have you do that yeah so if somebody even if they're silly cartoon looking drawings all the way to like a like a a an architect's rough drawing if those
can get to you can they get pushed out like as you get them so everybody can just see each other's thoughts because we can't do that legally but we can send stuff to you yeah and you can push it out and then we can have more to think
about yeah if anybody has anything they want to put down on paper just as a as IDE I'll just start firing about nine of them to you I'm just talking about pool and potential Aquatics wall pool contractor award no
fix it no we no we're we're yeah that's what we're behind we're still waiting on funds my new pool they my pool contractor did the design we have to let put it out for bid course like everything else
do the I just don't want to have my pool my house done before you know what you probably will but I'm going to have a lot of membership and going to need a rezone for a business good luck in the middle of to your place I'm
not going to say it out loud my neighbors all get free membership so it'll be okay public benefit huh well yeah oh what is this tax status thing is it reportable what is that it is reportable
so we can take donations as a town yeah and should have wrote it down of course it's uh Adam actually knows it by heart um the the status it's not 501c3 it's something else it's s0 something which we can as a
town collect donations um and then the question was because it's not a 51 C3 can they report it on their taxes um um and yes it is reportable on their taxes so you can give like a as a as a contribution to a government agency so it is it is
recognized by our IRS that it is a tax deductible contribution wow that was question last month about is the 5013c necessary because that was the thing but also that's why that's why the conversation came up right but if the town can accept
donations is anybody going to go out there and solicit donations because that's what the friends of B does right that's EX the town cannot solicit donations right still even if you can accept them it doesn't do you any I'm just saying somebody asked the question I said yeah
yeah I'm yeah no it wasn't directly I was looking at you but it's really nice no but that that's the point is we we all are busy we do this you know we don't have time to go solicit yeah we can attend the the friends you know I'm really bad at getting events or we can even be on you can even be a part of it
you just can't be on the board of the friends of B but the friends of BS would still be beneficial because then that is when you get the people that are going out and trying to get the donation they have events it's really necessary because if you think it's hard to get funds to a 501c3 try fundraising for for a
government agency yeah are you sure cuz the first argument is I already donate every year I bu my taxes yeah I'm not saying we I'm just giving yeah that's what I was I was just
saying like flip it not that we have anybody to fill those voids but just saying je Jeff that would plan to with uh if someone donated their design uh work for for the new park or
the pool wouldn't that be considered a a donation in kind donation I I suppose in kind so would that answer Karen's earlier question yeah I mean I'm not 100% I would think so but I'd have to find out yeah that's that was my question can a
government accept that versus just a 501c3 or something else but that that's an Andy question he would know yeah I mean we what I know is we can get donations monetary um even in kind we've had people donate kayaks and things like
that you've also gotten sponsorships and sponsorship right the foundation so it should be money oh yeah yeah for sure yeah those so then it should not not be an issue I wouldn't think so yeah I'm gonna ask Andy when I see him next I'll see him
Tuesday so yeah that's a good point I I don't want to no one ever wants to assume anything but I would assume since we can accept donations that would be just any well could be a cash donation too exactly could be yeah could be get card could be anything but I guess you know
the the beauty of the friends organization gr 501c3 is the is the um um you know nurturing of these donors it's the you know warm and friendly you know we'd love for you to participate oh you've given us a check and here's a
lovely letter thanking you for that check the town's not going to do that you know there's no warm and fuzzy little person in your office is handwriting a letter to the person who's been kind enough to donate something to say thank you so much for your we are we do ask to recognize at
the council meetings okay right mm just wouldn't be any different than like your ball field in Scots do a bunch doning a bunch of things for the ball field basically the same thing isn't it exactly yeah under the guys of what about that was a that was a
grand okay that was a so that's a little different but we had companies that donated quite a bit time and material to the and they were Rec
they well then it keeps coming up and coming up getting the friends involved and uh CU that is the warm and fuzzies you know thank you and
uh to have that participation okay have we covered most of that I think up there member items yeah I was just looking for anything else I had all these notes on the public parks
and okay member items and reports uh Joy do you want to start with that well I want to Michelle's comment about having qua potties for at least temporarily by the pickle ball cords even though you can walk up here it's
still kind of a hassle um until April when the gym opens April I wrote it down is that the end of April or is that the beginning I wrote
April I wrote that down nothing more specific April 30th is is everyone can attest with construction and remodeling there is no date the April is pretty specific there's no date they could be for all we know something could happen it could be July you know I'm just I
never put a date I they said they should be done by April did they say what year no they're work they're they're actually working hard the first company we had was like eight months so and I like the sign out front I do
too actually I love the sign it looks so good at taller I don't know it was going to be taller when we initially got it and did the permitting it was going to be taller okay since then our sign ordinance has changed and we're not we're not exempt
from that or we don't want to be exempt we want to be like everyone else so we had to cut it down a few feet but it will be lit up hopefully soon um kwood was here today looking at it to see what they need to but did I remember recently
that the council approved the extension the height of the margarita Ville sign beyond what the sign ordinance dictates so if Margarita can get a taller sign why couldn't the town that was like a matter of six
inches it wasn't wasn't like a big sign we try to not as a town we try to not do too many variances that right yeah I mean they had like five different variances that came up and
they were so inconsequential that I don't know why that it even had to come to us it was that wow really that's W because it was you know whether it was a 6 in or you know 3 in and oh that one
couldn't be because of the water man underneath it and wow so they moved it over and so that's why they had to come wow I thought it was going to be a lot taller than just 6 in that's interesting there was the difference they had to come for and what they had
to go through to get that all approved was insanity and expense of making a new sign just for that amount of fight wow so the sign will our sign will be lit up okay when okay he was out actually he
just called me Lance from Kirkwood just called me tell me about the quote so oh so you're you haven't gotten the lights up yet no it's got to be trenched in there's no See it'll be the inter lights up interior so and that ground no no no
it doesn't it's got lights on the outside it had lights on it though it does have lights on it were they just temporary because they it has lights on it when you go past at night the b o sign on the front is that what we're talking about the one on the street I took a picture of it with the
lights on I thought those were your Carls no I don't think so there there is not to it unless it's solar I thought I saw solar light sir but maybe it could have been reflecting off
of a different maybe well that's interesting because you're saying we have no lights she took pictures of the light the I saw some place where it said that the lights were I I thought we talked
about that before that the lights were on no then they must be solar cu I'm having him look at it I swear I took pictures of it you sent it to me I sent it to you yeah I'm GNA look on there Jeff I sent it to you and Andy right uh
you say well great job on the lighting yeah yeah yeah looks great you said what lighting oh you know what I think it's my car lights that's what you thought Jeff now that I look at it cuz they're all lit up
you just have to stay there all day yeah they're not coming they're not coming from the lighting overhead it must have been my car lights hit sure we have to it may have been received as it was a fact good job with the lights but you noticed it I love that
picture oh I saw it or lights hit it I guess I took a picture out of my car as I was sitting in traffic so there we go anyway it does look really nice it matches um you know Bayside and everything too I don't have anything El okay yeah
how about you I I don't have anything um I know I asked Jeff um last meeting about uh b beach park at Bay Beach if that was open to the public or if that was part of their development agreement when that when that development was
built way before I lived here Bay Beach you mean Bay Beach Road yeah Bay Beach oh that's all their private property right priv I asked you look they sold so we asked I asked about the development agreement when that was first built there and then also Michelle was correct
that the the condo that was torn down is that redfish Buccaneer Buccaneer maybe and that entire Golf Course land is is available back there it's available well I don't know if it's available as far as for sale the condo building is for sale
but I'm just saying that's that's empty land no it's not it's being used by the Evia and it's owned by the Evia being used yeah it's got we've got paths back there I'm not talking about the park I'm talking about directly behind the condos
that were torn down correct and then there's a chunk of the old GF course that sits there and it's a pretty decent Siz piece of land but there's a condo that was torn back that's not part of that property and we're just the condo
part the golf car is all part of the condo part was for sale I don't know what what's behind it apparent apparently there's an a park that I can't see that's behind that because I I literally rode my bike in there so
wow and just my whole thought process is you keep getting flooded down here there's nothing at the south end it all started with uh talking about pocket parks and and bike trails and I'm just pointing out that there's a big chunk of land
there well and to expand on that did last month uh if you remember and you made the motion which was adopted unanimously to say we wanted to be able to have these kinds of properties available as a public benefit option for
any developer to say look you know this is a pocket part while you may not want that for your property because you're going to put buildings on it buy this for us to use as a public park or don't I mean I don't even know who owns it it looks like it's part of the old golf
golf course there's that pond that's right by a stero and then behind that wow the entire Golf Course golf course it was yeah and it was a modified executive is what we called
it when Trum still had it well I live there too I mean I rode my bike right into the prop the par the B Bay Beach Park is you're staring at it ster to your left that part is to the right directly in
front of you and directly where the where the condo was there's open lamp right the condo of course any of that area is is up for sale like I don't know but the entire golf course I'm just saying the entire Golf Course is part of
the Evia yeah the whole thing it was a modified executive it was called The Island Sands that's what was torn down right right so the islands that whole property there that that's not a part of the eBay correct that's the part that I agree that we were talking about that's
available right yeah right and it's got a nice entrance right off the Lagoon there and you know how much nice area have no idea it it was it was brought up because we talked about the survey what the pocket parks in different parts of the Town
honestly if there was some pickle ball down there that would maybe save uh free things up here sounds like a lot of pickle ball players are from the south end and it's just another way to keep cars off the road I guess absolutely great idea can I'll do a little research
and see how much they're asking for it yeah I mean certainly worth checking out be it okay I've got a couple of realator friends I'll find out what's going on with it was the one next to
wasn't that like 17 something okay 11 11 million but I still think there's land behind it that's empty it might be owned by somebody I don't know well I'll do a um so if it's a million that'd be
great going to give us Land Trust I'm guess I'm just saying okay be wor I have a friend that can do no I mean we I'd love to expand in this the south end if we had some public benefit land or something that we
we get that they need it and you know they're they're majority of our residents are down there you bet so I'm not definitely not opposed to looking at something down there but even a lot is going for a million two now right that's not on the water they're
not it's no it's stale right now that's something Food For Thought for you it would be nice Yeah just something I was throwing out there that um I don't take donations you're right as as this committee goes I'll take that
one with you we get a couple figure out what's going on back there and see if we can get the property lines where where it is we can look it up on Lea right yeah but anyway yeah it was just an idea for the south south end of town there's
there's nothing for park space really down there unless you count beaches CU I even think come you turn this way that's not even Town Road Buccaneer Lagoon isn't is a private road mm which one is you're talking
about the that back road that just goes and dead ends yeah yeah that's that's private but there's a common area there oh there okay and right at the end of that common area would be to the left if you're if you're coming in I've been back there there having some issues with
debr pick up kind of like where the uh The Landing Strip used to be which is Lenell it's not far from Lenell pardon it's not far from L you to have a landing strip back there oh
yeah that screw the traffic bring your plane I know them too can land right there heliport or helioport or however they say okay so who's going to are you going to check or you want me to or be able to look it up okay
yeah somebody does can get it to Jeff so can be shot so just go down no I'm just saying if he acquired more land on different parts of town and we talk about like a real lab pool or something like that not tomorrow next not next year but somewhere down the road when I'm
probably not even around anymore we can't do anything unless we have more land well I think that last month um we we made that motion so I would suggest that perhaps someone from borab be appointed to give an advisory report
update to council at the very next meeting talking about this motion that was approved to say this is a recommendation that we would like to have council's support on yeah and what kind of changed since then I believe was the meeting about the M&P with the um
impact fees the development impact fees I think it but we had that last month the impact fee where they came in and did the presentation and everything um about the recat categorization
however you want to say that um but acquiring land and that kind of thing that's a totally different because that wouldn't be done through impact phas at all right but my angle was a potential development that will
happen on that side of town is if if it was a land donation or that development owned that land and donated that part of their land for park space it was so I don't know if that's separate from like many
times there's Park dedication fees that are tend to impact Fe but somebody's got to be willing to donate it and correct right now I think with the prices of everything I've not seen anyone willing to donate any land yeah I mean we even
checked into the adjacent land at Newton Park mhm to try to get a grant for some of that yes 17 million that's that's their amount and they're not donating it but but but what Jeff is saying is that there is a million
dollars it would be considered and if this piece of property that's behind that condominium property can be surveyed and designated as a possible pocket park that could be public benefit it wouldn't be a development impact fee
so for example a developer that's going to redo Windom or outrigger to say oh my gosh this is a great public benefit forget about the view corridor forget about restrooms let's make this Pock pocket part happen as a public benefit for the South part of the island was
your motion last month which I think has huge Merit and I think it needs to be um presented uh to council and who just a little part but it was was it seate that and said they would put it in and maintain it was that Seagate at Seagate
so they I mean it does happen and yeah seagate's doing that on the beach side that's why and it was because of that deal that's why I asked about um the Park area at the end of b beach chane because I mean that there had to have
been a development agreement on that land at one time I look at it every day it's right out my front window they're way over four stories so there had to be some kind of of give and take when that development was done for
parking for the Park yeah or whatever just because they were allowed to to go outside the comp plan okay tell is that the older building or is that a new newer building well is that the last two towers the last one
just was completed that's right London Bay yep oh yeah but that was grandfather then that was grandfather then that was part of the master plan that was approved years years before way before I was here yeah it was before the Town Incorporated really yeah and way before
all these and they didn't develop it until recently but they had the um approval to get that last Tower built right um and U even after the town was incorporated because it was agreed to that long ago holy cow yeah Ser that's
not looking good for future development here that was 1995 just reiterating the challenge to get the friends friends started a couple of names everybody get a couple and whether they come to the next meeting
or would they need to go to you to go because I want to be really careful in how we communicate that sort of information yeah honestly because he's I'm in charge of borab yeah he and I I want to be in charge of friends just so we could we could put together together
a physical list at the next meeting with who we bring yes is that the best way to do that I mean I'll assist with it I just don't want to be no yeah I don't not don't want to be tasked with it or we can't do that anyway so should but the right way to do that is bring bring
names and contact information to the borab meeting to the next borab meeting and Becky is the one that got Becky don't you have really sort of all of the like this coign no I can do the bank account I don't else but so the question I was
going to ask is how do I know who to turn that over to because it does have money in it I'm G be like okay here you go here's bank account information you're now in charge of it like so probably have to get established and they'd have to have officers and you have to have off prob the treasure okay
so Jesse still first on the bank account and unlisted as a second person so he's got all the paperwork and everything um does not want any of it because he can't do it right now so so if we have if we come for when we get a group of people yeah candidates then what is the process
of electing that those officers who they have to do that separately and apart from us totally they elect themselves so their role so the the friends role would be we have a project or a budget we go to the friends and
say this is our budget this is how much money we're asking for and they could give us the money for it so say you have they don't they don't have a say in it they don't have have say in the project they are the fundraising arm for our projects and but if you have 10 people
who want to be part of friends of a Oaks how do you determine like who's a president or if president they themselves those 10 people would so somewhere from the previous friends organization there should be bylaws now
those bylaws probably have to be updated so once you get the core group which is pretty much five people so it' be um president or chairman vice president treasurer secretary actually I think those are
only four that you have to have it's good to have an net large if we're lucky enough to have a net large so then those five people would elect who they wanted as president who they wanted as Treasurer or maybe they bring them on with those skills someone is at Finance whatever
they're automatically that they're automatically this and then those five people or four or whatever they are they have to review those bylaws and say are these still what we want to abide by do we um do we want to change them it has
to be filed with the state so it so those bylaws exist right now right because they should but whether they've been updated or not or refiled was on it um Denise Monahan had him I think I
might have given them to Jesse maybe okay um but Denise Monahan was the last president I think of friends and so she had all of that paperwork and she might have a file I don't guess she's
interested now well worst case she said that she would be happy to help you all in any way friends gets going that's awesome she's she can be helpful but she's not running it either so she's already been there done that that's good that saves a big step because can can we or are we allowed to
advertise that we're looking for candidates you can be you can be a friend you can be a friend's member even but you just can't be the board you can't vote for things but so we on your Facebook gr that you're looking for or go at pickle ball and like ask around
you can do all that stuff I already put a fire together yeah well then can the can we put one on the because we put the town for example that's how I got this position can we have the town put out that we're looking to fill no no okay we've got it so we can solicit it
be can put it out like B can put it on their own Pages not the town itself still listening for friends of boks as a 501c a Facebook post or something something we can we can talk may be great if people came to the next meeting which I might not be at anyway
depend yeah and just when you're talking to them just make it clear that where does the EB stand if you two are friends m still can't talk impr anything about policy you have to talk only about the
fundraising all of HB we end this meeting for example can John and I discuss somebody who might and and
paths okay and ponds and it's not like I'm to call we should be able to do that just but as not vote for
anybody I remember every door okay so right now we just get the list bring the next meeting is that else main I think I've said quite I'm good okay you're good who did I say used to be on that on morning I'm trying to see if I have
anything in my I think all my topics have been covered with the other discussion okay mine too all right well I just wanted to make every sure that everybody was covered thank you yep so uh okay well then that's
uh we have no public here and our next meeting would be March March 19th is the third Wednesday we've been in the third Wednesday March 18th at noon 19th can I uh is it if it when it's set can I
officially ask for an excused absence pardon I need an excused absence on the 19th my kids are on spring break that week so we're out of town oh is it yeah I would have to be a zoom as well so you'd have to have a I traveled I could fly here that day but I won't get I'm not going to be on Zoom anybody else
have day I we I we can try to move it if we want no is about the 12 is open yeah I'm the 9th to the
19th or the 26 18th to the 19 I can do the 26 well I'm I'm not a the 19's just bad I can't even get on Zoom because I'm traveling I can do here on the 12th or the 19th pardon I can be here on the 12th or
the 19th can you on the 26 or no I can as well is already I could do the 26 26 works for me pardon okay the 12th is open how about okay March 26th yep John said he's out the
9th to the 19th and I don't think I can do the 12th either I have to be my kids school that day so I would just need you to have be able to have a quorum to okay me on zoom on the 12th 26 I could fly in 26 I can be here let's do the 26 26 it can work the 26 you can be in person at
noon yeah that's better y let's okay all right y that really helps me out that was the goal I'm going time that week don't know one for sure we have agenda items what do you friends
discussion friends discussion and then also the uh park on the south end of property lines what we find with ownership of all that down there and the the C yeah keep giving you
upat most likely by then won't have the grant yet but so it's going to be the same report as we're expecting the pool to be done by then March I was going to request 26 everyone arrive with a shovel and a hose and we should have the pool done that day
okay all right go along with the shovel I get email you will people are going to complain on Facebook 100% either way it doesn't matter so we will have friends okay if there is anything further Betty do you want to have somebody appointed to give
an Advisory Board um yeah when the next council meeting May or March 3rd pardon March 3rd March the first first Monday of March bu off do we have somebody that's available that would want to give
a report on March 3rd would not desire to do for the council I did it the last time I want anybody B you do it she's voting I probably can't
uh that's another medical date we do it March 3rd is John would I think I would but I just have that window if there's something around the 26 yeah get we do geted to give the report Ed how about you give him the advisory report we have
to take Shar yes you're good synopsis of what we've all been doing the last several months and especially the idea of the pocket par and the fact that we are really hoping that Council would look very serious
could the chair the vice chair write up like an outline of what you want theone council meeting on March up what are we going to say I know that's what I'm asking yeah I guess what we upd okay you got my number I think there could at least be two or three bullet
points just of what we met about what we're doing we're going to be rolling on some things as soon as we can wait I think we have to figure out what Ed's going to present right unless you know what you're going to present yeah here we go open that see if that works how old
is that that okay there is oh you got my number so ads volunteers we have a plan okay all right okay then I'd entertain that motion for adjournment think I'll move to adjourn
okay so second we got a second we have a motion we have a second all in favor I