##VIDEO ID:dSKvPExclmA## TK force it is uh Wednesday December 29th January January sorry I would like uh everyone to please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you okay to establish a quorum I'll call the role Vice chair Jennifer Rus here bill alov here Rob how here Ed rude is not here on an absence Sharon Hegstrom here Leo sand here and Dave nusan is Chairman we have a quorum this is a meeting so with that being done I will accept a motion to approve approve the agenda for today's meeting so moved second second okay motions been made and seconded is there any discussion before I call the question Mr chair if I may um after this if we can excuse Mr Rudy to give us uh notice and uh there are some um RS with committees uh to make an excuse versus unexcused absence um so if we can do that after this motion then please okay so noted thank you okay any further discussion okay I call a question all those in favor of approving the agenda say I I I I oppose motion carried unanimously okay next on the agenda approving the previous minute meeting previous meeting minutes and does anyone I'll accept a motion to approve the minutes okay is there a second I will second motion made by elov seconded by Rob how U is there any discussion or changes okay with not I'll call the question to approve the previous meeting minutes all those in favor say I I I I motion carries unanimous ly thank you okay next on the agenda is public comment and we have a plethora people here today so um we don't have a signup sheet so if anyone would like to come up and give a comment please raise your hand come up identify yourself and uh you have three minutes good morning thank you I'm Craig loose from Chris an condominium at 7,000 Lo of Aero Chad was nice enough we had a little informal meeting at our condo with uh the fellow condo owners from EVT who famous here tonight Leonardo from basically from Leonardo to Hollin we have eight or 10 condos there Island Reef teramar cesante EVT ber dunes and so Chad was there we were leaning on him to help us uh organize a uniform front of erosion control on our in Pathways so we we want to work with him to keep a u keep in touch with with you guys and with Chad John's been good as well as keep us aware of meeting dates and everything so looking forward to having a unified front and a unified uh defense with erosion control hopefully with Chad's help on what type of plants and everything to put in there so I want to just give a uh name to the face and we appreciate you guys here and look forward to working with Chad as well as Bill Perry on protecting our homes thank you thank you okay anyone else yes sir good morning I'm Sam Lamar from the stero Beach and Tennis Club I am the just recently passed president of stero be tennis club that new president's taken over after six years I chose no longer to run I had my a fun in the house someone else's ter I just want to pass on that I've known Chad for several years and a great working relationship I would say 99.9% of the time we we come you know we had some differences in the past but he's always been very fair working with to work with us and the association so you had to keep up the great work it's been great working with you thank you thank you thank you thank you much is that question yeah CH anyone else okay going once going twice okay seeing no other uh people wishing to give public comment I will close public comment and we will move on to the current items very first item on the list is the FGCU USDA Grant project and Chad can you give us kind of a an update on where we are on that uh sure I can um it probably be best just to read out uh Dr Daily's email um that is the latest information I do have I think I'm not sure if we're waiting for him to still come back from Jamaica or not but uh so uh uh chairman nesb asked me to reach out to uh Dr daily and get a update on uh which resiliency experimental simulations that they have gone with for their uh their model um so in response happy New Year apologies for the late reply tied up with some travel issues in Jamaica regarding the fort Meers Beach uh simulations they are currently up and running and he's completed the hurricane Ian test case and currently comparing the model results to post storm data for validation I am also doing validation for other locations such as Santa Bel and Lovers Key which I am aiming to complete by the end of the month uh being January at this point I will share some updates with you once the validation exercise is complete then I will start the resiliency experimental simulations um I will aim to have those sets of results ready by the end of February which can then be presented around March so I didn't quite uh answer the question as to what the experimental simulations are but that is the the timeline and what's been accomplished today okay thank you uh for those that aren't familiar uh Dr Daly came in with um I forget the other professor's name uh seice Dr sees Dr sees and they presented to the murf committee uh some very interesting information as far as uh their evaluation of the Ian storm surge and the effects of the surge not only coming in but also more importantly going out and they said that we could uh enlist their effort at no cost of the town to look at simulations to see what would occur if we had done this or if we had done that they could literally build a computer generated simulation and then see what effects we could put in or recommend to the council and then we could come back and and take a look make our recommendations based on what they presented to the committee so I think it's a very key Point as far as providing protection for the island uh doesn't cost us anything these people are are trained they're not Coastal Engineers but they are well versed in their uh field of expertise and I believe that it would help us as a committee and also Chad to look at a lot of different variables so that we can make the right decision on our recommendation to the top and that's whole purpose B well said so any other questions from the committee on on that I would I would ask that we try and Target them for a March uh meeting date if Chad if you could try and get that set up for our March meeting and if not for sure April and when when we do get that info back from the um from the different simulations I'd love to hear about the other beaches in the area what what their data came back as as well if that's just just out of curiosity um I I don't know if it's going to be on one know report or if we have to request all of them or not but I'm sure they will share the information if not the report yeah I I was hoping that was just you know I don't know if they would be Santa Bell and Bonita yeah I think so yeah I don't know if they were going as far down as Marco or not but we can ask okay okay any other questions on that thank you very much Chad yes sir you're welcome okay Item B on the agenda under current items is the uh black Beach management for 6,000 7,000 and 8,000 and again just to give some background uh we had a kind of an informal FWC meeting T was in a uh for the primarily South End of the island where we were talking about shorebird nesting what what the stakeholders and property owners could do working with FWC to promote and assist in the shorebird nesting and at the same time try and protect some of the property owners access to the beaches and what they could do to control the primarily sand spurs that are prevalent down there and there was a lot of discussion regarding takes uh a take permit which is a a kind of a get out of jail free card for a property owner if they are caught inadvertently harassing a bird U or a nest and FWC came through and said because of the cooperation that they and you can jump in anytime you want on this Chad but uh they pretty much said uh due to the success we had last year and the cooperation from the owners on the south end that they wanted to continue the process of working with the owners staking out trying to have access points for the owners and uh primar uh if you felt the need for a take permit you could get one but they did not want to issue a block take permit for the entire 6,000 7,000 or 8,000 block because they said they weren't ready for it and they didn't do it but basically as I took away from the meeting is that it worked very well last year and we don't want to do anything to rck the book um Chad if you want to paraphrase anything of the the big issue that came out of that and I think something that we have to address as a committee going to the town is that there was a very positive effort from uh the owners on the 7,000 and 8,000 block at least from what I could gather in the meeting that we need to take a very proactive stance against sand spurs due to the lethal nature that they have against the chicks because the Spurs get in create a infection and kill the birds themselves and that they felt that the F that the approved herbicide going on there was probably the best method to control the sand spurs and promote the um health of the fledgling chicks and so I know we've got some we I believe Chad we have some issues with the town as far as applicating do we have to get a do the do the beach tenders have to get a special variance for that or how does that work uh we're talking about the application of herbicide yes so we have a uh no modification required to our uh triple CL permit um for the application of herbicide uh it's my understanding that FWC is going to be doing that um and uh so that has been uh approved or authorized by the state for them to do that it will only be in the posted area um so that's that's where we're at on the herbicide okay um I I believe it would it would at least warrant that we advise the council at the next meeting that this is taking place and they have to give a report after the meeting so i' be more than happy to do it unless you want to do it in your staff report um I mean that that's that's definitely your perview as chairman to give updates uh okay uh for the committee to Town Council at the beginning of the meeting given I was at the meeting I can do that and I can put the Target on my B no worries um I think is's a courtesy they usually just come to the council anyway and I think it has been murf in the past that has brought it Forward okay thank you counselor yeah so uh you know that meeting I think there's uh a lot of work still to be done I agree the good news is the FWC seems like they want to partner up with the community and manage this beach um uh uh you know the concerns of you know the 8,000 block 7,000 block and 6,000 block I think are a little bit different but there are some similarities um 8,000 block uh and uh you know one of the sticking points is you know a a clear access to the beach and being able to maintain that access and I know there's been you know in years past where that access has been either um narrowed shift shifted or blocked off that's kind of where the Rumblings start um and I mean we have Miss Sharon here can probably and and and Mr John can speak to you know those 8,000 block concerns but maintaining that access um and what I heard from FWC is uh as long as we're following the permit conditions um that constitutes avoidance and minimization to meet the uh guidelines um so it seems like it's status quo my only worry is that status quo has there has been issues with status quo in the past so I am optimistic uh Brianna uh um seems like a gem and uh uh I think she's uh going to be uh was a great partner to work with last season and will continue to be so so um I think uh you know again the beachfront property owners uh need to I think put pencil to paper and work out what how y'all want your beach to be managed and have a a starting point to work with FWC uh to be you know how it can be managed so that we can uh meet the requirements of the uh uh shorebird guidelines and um meet your expectations on how you want your beach to be managed okay does anyone have any other comments on this well this is there any way to um I mean when a nest when a when birds make a little nest in the pathway no matter where it is as you know then they have to to take it they take that and a large amount of it and there's no way we can just to sh them and move them new Nest over I know that right so that was I mean that that was the so I I made it clear to FWC one of the you know that access and that path being clear and it being able to be raped is a uh kind of a a sticking point you know is not kind of it is a sticking point for the beachfront property owners so that's where if you are going to do you know they call it noninjured uh deterrence M for birds not to Nest you know in that path that's where you need a a take permit and that's you know i' I've just applied for take permit for our beach project um you know it would you know it it's a it's a it's quite the application process and um okay uh it's something that you know youall need to consider but you know the point from FWC standpoint is is that where we're asking for that for that path um between Castle Beach and uh uh Carlos Point um is ideal for the property owners and it also seems to be ideal for the birds so that's the that's the issue um uh so you know can non- ineris uh deterrence be established in that path get an incidental take permit to do that um will that fly with WC will it still will the birds still have a successful um you know Season nesting season with that happening are all the questions that need to be answered yes um I apologize for my ignorance on on this part of it how wide and how long is the specific path that they're on I think the minimum is around 10 ft just for the tractor to get through and rake it um I think in the past it's been on the order of like 20 yeah 30 ft originally was way bigger I'm I'm just wondering like I know we've and I don't I'm wondering about like during certain times of the season for the birds picking out their nests putting like not like you said non harmful things but like Moby matat type of thing in a specific area that they wouldn't want to be on that they wouldn't want to Nest on that what what would the process be of that and then we wouldn't have to rake it we wouldn't have to worry about birds nesting on it and it would have sea turtles uh sea turtle people would have an issue with Moby mat going out that far the beach so it goes that far into the because I'm I again ignorant to that specific how it how it is but right just like the area where that goes past the Dune area that it would still be any yeah I mean that beach is you know hundreds if not close to a th000 feet wide I'm just thinking for like the most narrow point where if there is a nest laid that if they like they said you put the the perimeter around it but I don't see that being allowed FWC um okay I figured that's kind of where you were getting we could we could check with Brian and see what her feedback is on that okay I have a scheduled call with her later today I'll I'll ask her okay okay if you could do that that'd be great yeah it that it be again you have to get then we get into who's paying for the met so on so forth but I think if that's a viable solution and we may not have to go all the way out to mean high water if we just get across the major portion yeah I'm just think specific tight areas experience you know just doing with the beach access is once you get past that Dune feature that's kind of like a you know a hard stop you're kind of getting to that Dune feature and then that's you know it's more all natural past that point has been my experience with FWC authorization for those M Mets great um so uh did you want to anybody else on this vein of discussion um so this this was kind of like more of a all-inclusive Beach management so I took the opportunity to um get the plantings and talk about plantings as well uh and uh you know I'll just preface this by these are you know these are discussion points uh nobody get too excited as to you know this is definitely happening this is the way it's going to be but uh I had requested uh our Coastal engineer to get some schematics uh just to be able to visualize which you'll see up on the TV screens here um some um uh visualize you know what 100 feet and what you're looking at is 100t wide by 10 ft deep that's our you know in accordance with our Dune management plan uh this one that we're looking at right now happens to be the first scheme which is really heavy on the uh seot side you can see 70% seots 15% Dune flour uh 10% uh Panic grass and 5% railroad vine uh this is what's going to be happening at bage that's what the county wanted bage and Crescent Park um and linal park so uh again heavy on sea uh and some uh additional species uh for diversity um where am I pointing Jason there we go so this is the uh low Dune this has been the consensus of the community um the planting scheme that they would like like uh so again uh it's a little bit more uh kind of spreads the species diversity a little bit uh wider with regards to you know more Dune sunflower more Dune tan of grass and uh less sea oos a little bit more uh railroad vine um and we also uh added uh mature uh sea o planting so the the one gallon variety um to give some um uh just helps with survivability and kind of giving that Dune a little bit more of a jump start uh interspersed into there uh let's see and uh don't take this as to scale I mean we still want to maintain a a 10- foot wide opening for uh people to be able to kind of you know you know whether it's a a tractor or just foot traffic coming in through there um but uh you know there's a you know taking away from uh the the the SE on the the backside and and kind of adding a bit of a comma if you will um it it helps you know whenever you're looking whenever this happens it it kind of helps you know build a dune so you kind of have more of a solid uh wall and and also for privacy you know whenever you're looking at it from afar doesn't seem like there's opening so Property Owners tend to like that again um as to not have an opening that's inviting for uh you know the public just to come on their property it kind of gives more of a um a solid uh solid or or continuous Dune vegetation uh appearance um once these are planted um will they start enforcing the 10 foot rule with raking and and certain things like that again so our doing management plan it's a it's a it's down to two feet and it is uh you know the intention of the Dune management plan is to allow the property owners to maintain that Dune in place okay so that's that's in the Dune management plan stamped by the state and that's that will be the if if people have not signed their easement um there is you know I have talked to uh Beach rakers that if they haven't signed their easement they don't have the benefits of the the Doom management plan so um if they do want to sign their easements get vegetation and enjoy the benefits of the the Dune management plan that's what needs to happen um Chad if they didn't sign their EAS what is the setback from the seal just a 10 ft 10 ft that's that's State Statute yes sir as well as a town Cod thank you um and then uh so this one is a a little bit more fun um I asked uh the engineers to to give me something that's a little bit more species diverse uh just listening to our uh Professor from FGCU getting uh more diverse uh uh you know you have the native inkberry in there uh which is a kind of a Woody shrub uh C Pur Lane which is a a succulent um it you'll see it growing more in wetter areas so something like near the Lagoon for instance um it would it would do well there as well as in low-lying areas um and then shelder is another one that uh uh it's uh was recommended as a a a species for adding diversity to the the Dune um so you know it's marked on there south end this is something we were toying with for the 7,000 block having said that you know we did meet with the 7,000 block and I think you know at least for a phase one um just to get things rolled out and going uh just staying with the the sensus that I that I was hearing from um the folks uh I never know where to point this at if we're going backwards Jason uh back to to the fir uh yeah that's good thank you uh I think we're you know this would be you know something to roll out uh um just to have you know whatever you're we're talking about miles and miles of planting and and my message to uh the 7,000 block whenever we uh whenever we met was you know we're having a contractor come in what I what I would like as a project manager is just to have you know something that's uniform um and you know at least as a phase one also you know these guys signed on to you know a dune management plan and an easement with a certain you know we sold them that bill of goods and I don't you know getting into you know switching things up kind of R we're about to do it I don't I don't feel good about that and don't you know kind of goes against my headache policy so um you know my vote for whatever that's worth would be just to roll out this low Dune um feature um across the board um and if there are you know the exceptions um you know if if somebody if there's an exception let them come to me and and we can deal with that um but I I want to steer away from too much um customization again as you can imagine we're talking about miles of planting you get into you know to manage the you know over here this over here that it's um it's a daunting task with everything that we have going on um and then you know as a phase two you know we can you know build into the budget you know ask Council hey can we put some money towards some Community diversity you know ask property owners who wants to sign up and and kind of um you know have an approach uh approach it that way uh for whatever that's worth so um feedback so this is per 100 foot this is an estimate or is this what you're going toot wide it's a it's a schematic um and then uh Jason I don't know if you can come up with the uh the PDF that has the uh site plan view um it's a schematic so it's a typical this is what would typically be done and then what we did on the site plan was we looked at historical paths and then so for our site plan where putting those those 10ft wide gaps would be where we um where we had paths before so that would kind of be you know how do you roll out this thing in such a large scale you kind of you know we we got to get plans to these um uh contractors and that was the easiest way rather than me going back to all these different property owners and asking where they have a path use the historical paths if there's you know we can if we need to adjust it in the field as we're rolling out that's something um we can do but again the more we customize the more difficult the project is so uh trying to roll out that way but as an example you had a 10 foot path and 100 foot so if you have a 300 foot wide property can you have three 10ft paths where we put them all together for a 30 foot path yes so I mean the Dune the Dune management plan only requires 75% of the vegetation I would encourage getting as close to 100% as possible but if they're you know to your point for every 100 ft you get 25 ft so if that's the will of the property owner then we will absolutely respect that but I would encourage them you know allow you know every P every property is different different wants different needs um and we're going to you know work with those Property Owners to address that um but just from an environmental resiliency standpoint we want to vegetate as much as POS as much as possible this is the Dune up by the water as opposed to bur back by build no this would be um Jason where do I point this back there theoretically um so it would this is for the BM or you know yes this is for the BM absolutely so I know the 7,000 block we're talking about you know a vegetative blind which we've also talk to FWC as a a form of mitigation you know we're paying for all these plants let that be our um our uh our mitigation contribution as a vegetative blind do give those shore birds some sense of safety from human activities from behind the Dune um do SE have the deepest roots does anybody know which one has the deepest roots of the species that working with yeah I would say uh seots are most known for stabilizing uh the Dune um uh bitter panicum as well I'm just thinking like uh railroad vine has its kind of a different you know it's you know it kind of vines out and has a different kind of stabilizing strategy or stabilizing effect for the Doom because I'm just wondering in those in those you know the environmental areas where birds are you know our the big conversation in that is strategic planning in those in sight specific areas how how how hard would that be for the teams planting to do like a specific planting of you know areas where the birds have a protected area where if like if there's a walkway putting the seots like just along the walkway to make little barri like natural barriers that are like little holes inside the dunes in the BMS where these birds are safe and protected and hidden I know not all the birds like that um yeah I think I think the solitary um nesters will find that on their own yeah um and you'll have that kind of naturally you see out in the CWA um again I'm I'm being very clear that I'm steering away from customization okay that's that's where I was getting at I I knew you said that and I just you know if you know think of this as a phase one this is like the first stroke you know if we want to add on again species diversity um different planting schemes for wildlife habitat Etc definitely open to that um but I think that's more of a phase two or three right now we just want to get it out therey want get um so to your point uh Mr Bill so that's that's uh your spot um shamron and Eden house of course that Lagoon feature really is no longer there um Chad what's the percentage of owners that sign the easement across the board uh depends on where you're at so on the North side I think we had nearly 100% there a couple holdouts um on the South Side uh south of uh Windam um it was also you know near 100% there you know a few holdouts um in the central section where you have the uh single family homes I had the greatest percent uh I forget it but it it it it was um it was a challenge getting getting I can imagine thank you yeah again this is just a rough dra uh I I would call it a uh the second version so um we can we can add an additional version and you know if I'm I'm I'm taking it that you want to redraft what are your thoughts on that well no I'm just looking at your green strike which is your D planning sche right right and then you have just a smidge ACC right it looks like that's only representing 10t wide when correct it should probably be 30t wide again if that's what main so this is going to be the rule there there can be exceptions if you want a 30 foot wide um opening but that would be the exception rather than the rule we're we intend to plant as much as we can plant that's that's that's my advice as staff environmentally and for resiliency up to 75 ft or 75% if if the if the property owner wants 30 foot gaps per 100 feet they can get that they can no no no no not per that would be 10t per if you have a 300 foot wide property you're entitled to 30 ft of opening if you have a 300 foot wide property you're entitled to 75% unvegetated 75 ft vegetated sorry 75 ft unvegetated okay so by the ding management plan we will respect that and the property owners want 25% unvegetated absolutely but as as a project and my intention um for resiliency and for you know environmental is to um have those 10ft wide openings so if Property Owners would like a wider opening for whatever reason absolutely will we respect that we have we could have three you can have three yeah is there any set angle you put these on I see that they're all drawn diagonal yeah the intention is to kind of have that that comma and I think you know um that's what you're calling the the comma dun yeah okay gotcha all right um that's going to be you know something that we'll probably add in the in the third version um good thank you okay do you have more slides Chad uh it just marches down and I'll I'll I'll put this on the website so the public can see it and uh they can email me their feedback and let's get the feedback done um as soon as possible so we can get this bid out um if there's any concerns um I'm I'm welcome to hearing them do you want feed I guess my my question to you is in our role as an advisory committee to the town is there something you wish us to approach the council with a recommendation not a recommendation I mean if you want to make a motion to uh to the council to follow what ever Chad says I'm definitely you mean we don't do that already yeah I think we're I think we're already there but you know okay thank you very much and I encourage everyone to U go on the website and take a look at it and again as Chad said every Pro every property on this island is almost unique and the Contours change all the way around the island and so every property owner can take a look and make their decision and go from there Mr chair if I could just ask do you have a timeline in mind or as soon as possible um we want to so I I don't know if anybody watched the last council meeting where uh our Coastal engineer Michael pfff was there I was sleeping advising the uh advising the council so what's going to happen is we have this beach project it's got you know 25,000 whatever feet of pip that some of it's buried some of it's not it's it's stretched out on this beach whenever they demobilize they're taking that pipe off and then they're going to grate again so there's no use in planting before that happens because it's a it's going to be a messy process so um I would like to get this done before sea turtle season um uh so that's the intention uh we need to get this bit out as soon as possible so we can get our plants grown it's a it's a it's a lot of plants as you can imagine you know we got a 7 Mile Island and not all of it necessarily going to be planted but um a lot of it is so we want to we want to get rolling for property owners it's just as simple as The Wider the opening the more openings the more water will get through so just keep that in mind when you're making your decisions okay thank you thank you you moving down to item C window Visual transmittance and and I asked Chad to put this on here because we had some information that came in um from the um and I fenestration people which is the window people and they've been doing sea turtle testing uh councelor King has been gracious enough to be in contact with them and they sent him a letter in January I believe she sent a letter in December in December an email an email and if I asked him if he could just kind of paraphrase what what it was said in there so that we could be up to date on what was happening oh you want me to do that well okay what or or I can if you want but so you chair basically they've been doing testing with baby sea turtles and they've been using different tints of glass to determine basically what the optimum tint should be as we all know U the state mandates a 45 tint um there are people that say it's not effective and if you look at what the test results are coming back from the fenestration people it appears that it's not as effective as they hope um and testing with the different Turtles the leathernecks and the Lo loggerheads and they're doing babies patching out with different shades and different tints and preliminarily it appears that a three tint is in anything darker than that is effective in reducing the disorientation of the turtles not only at nesting and U at hatching so if that's the optimum level that we can go for it we're waiting to find out what the results are and if that's the case I think we can consider it as a as a committee and make a recommendation to the town and I think it would be a tremendous in my personal opinion and you guys can comment on this if3 is a is a is the number that works rather than beating people on the head and saying this is the number you have to go with you can come out and and offer an incentive and say look if if anything at three or darker discourages or eliminates disorientation and we have to see what the results are perhaps we can go through and reduce the the ruling behind the council's uh thing I know for a fact that if you put a new window in Chad has to run around and look at the curtains on the window to clear the window from from from the permit um thousands of Windows have gone in and I'm pretty sure chance about a thousand Windows behind and trying to go through and look at all of the curtains but this is an area where we could clear up a little bit of the government you know issue of doing something passing a law that is difficult to maintain and if we can find a number that works let's tell people look if you put a number in and this is your window number you know whether your curtains are open or closed it doesn't matter cuz the turtle skin see it anyway according to Scientific T so what an incentive for everybody in the town to do something like that now we don't know what the answers are Chad I talked to Chad before this and he said he wanted to see the peer-reviewed papers first and we have to wait for the scientific evidence but preliminarily and this is in quotes preliminarily it looks at if this is a number if we can find a number what a great boond everybody on the beach if we can number one not make Chad and his people police officers running around checking window lights with light meters or number two having people worried about whether they have to have an electronic closure on their window if they go to the right window tint what what an incentive so I brought that up just to kind of explain it and hopefully within the next couple of months we can get some additional information on it but that's kind of my my personal thought on it having been involved in this for a number of years but I welcome anybody on the on the committee to put their thoughts in so are you suggesting FMB will have a different visual transmittance than the rest of the state I well we did before so but that was struck back yes but because what we had down here was just impossible well what and I'm call but we can what we can say is what the town could pass is here's the state mandate how but you have to have curtains on this you put this in you don't need curtains it's it works so you want to do you want to go through that or do you want to go through that now again this is all preliminary and I'm kind of just reading into what the last two or three emails from the finra industry has written to councelor King but I've been following this very closely and I think it's a workable solution it takes a lot of pressure off Chad and the compliance people in town I think it provides an incentive for the people on the beach and it protects the turtles so it becomes a win-win win why don't we just go to 15% and call it a day well because 15% because 15% is an owner T but what I'm saying is 15% would then alleviate any issues what I in this email it talks about is uh both the 45 VT and the 15 VT have no data backing why those percentage was were even chosen so uh we knew that with the with the 15 because originally FWC had contracted with AutoGlass manufactur to test so uh and to find out now that 45 there's nothing there either that means to me in my mind anyway that the state would probably be changing once they understand where the the optimal point is so that could be brought down to 30 that's kind of the point I was going to make about what you're saying like it it does like there's aspects of that that really do sound good on all like winwin win um what I worry about is it's it's just the one scientific study doing it and until more data is done until other establishments start doing it I feel like it's going to keep changing well that's what I'm worried about and again this is this is the first actual real scientific study that's been done because before it's been someone plucking a number out of the air oh no I'm not I'm not disagreeing with this this specific study I'm just saying the way that science in that Community works is that they're going to find their their attitud and it it may be very well and factual but until it's peer reviewed and other experiments are done exactly to take I'm just saying this is this is an option that we can look at as a committee be like a forerunner on it kind somebody said it's better to strike a straight glow with a Crooked Stick than to spend the rest of your life straightening the stick up well and at the so it's at the end of the day any little bit that you're doing to help the turtles the birds anything helps every little bit so if you have curtains even if you have the tent and when you're going to bed why do you need the curtains open kind of mentality close you know and it's just those little changes are going to make the big differences that are easier for Chad and the turtles and everybody but it's it's getting into that mentality of every little bit helps so then when these changes are mandated down the road by the city the state whoever it's going to be an easier pill to swallow well and and again let's as I said let's find out what the science says before we do anything because that's going to be the key thing but no it's good to bring it to our attention Okay any other questions on that before we move on Mr chairman if I may yes um so I appreciate everybody wanting to make my job easier keep that up just for wherever you can um so I will say science is all about probabilities there's nothing absolute even whenever you're you're testing something you're you're you know it's a probability of you know having an effect and you never know what's going to happen the other thing about these uh visual transmittance is it's a percentage and what I tell everyone is you know even you know 5% of the sun is really bright right so if you have lights that are really bright by that window there can still be an issue um so you know there's there's no catchall it's all probability ities um and so the the the finding my understanding of the finding is that 30% visual transmittance is where there was a significant effect on disorientation rates um and there's a there's a reason why I say it like that because that is um that's my understanding of of how they tested you know these uh these different visual transmitt rates so that's not to say that you know 30 is at Zero Effect it just has a significant effect right um and you know with all the the windows that I've looked at Over The Last 5 Years um the ones that I can say um don't have an effect is whenever you have blackout curtains so I'll just I will leave it at that well so is a blank wall too yes correct with no window correct so okay any other questions any other comments okay moving on staff update Chad you kind of had to hold floor but members oh yep numers items I'm sorry took off your glasses too soon good all good here good good Jennifer yes hold on okay so um I don't know if you all know but I'm on the Anchorage committee and we are going to be doing the uh Cruiser appreciation I'm not sure if any of you have um been to one of those it's a lot of fun and it's uh going to be set for April 27th um at Bayside Park and I would like to have a murf Booth they're going to have some informational booths there and I was hoping to have the murf Booth if anyone is interested or if I can get approval on that I don't see any reason why not so you'll be there I don't know I have I don't have my schedule I just need to help with it what's the date the 27th Sunday April April 27th I could probably be there with you okay okay wonderful because I probably will have to help with the Anchorage committee as well so I just someone from murf has to actually be there to man it at all times along with other organizations we'll probably have the um perhaps sto Bay the Coast Guard auxiliary um the the chamber the committee is also picking up lunch isn't it yes sir for anyone who um actually comes your uh schedule opens up I was going to make the joke about they already approved Chad's lunch so um maybe Chad you would could maybe make an appearance to be a resource of information to the community yes uh I'll get those dates and time support from you thank you and that's all oh um so uh in the last hurricane I lost uh the tent um well I I've got a neighbor that will allow me to use the tent and then the tables are getting rusty I know that we have a $500 um uh budget budget thank you and um so I would need approval to replace a tent and replace a table I can donate a table I have a table it's just one though so you still okay is it folding yes okay is the $500 within budget within the tent yeah the tent would be probably 6070 and then the I was just looking it up and then the tables are like 50 to $60 um and then I would also need table coverings as well okay um does a town still have their tent just do we know if we no never mind uh I would I'm assuming so I don't know um I know we had it before Helen and Milton but well I can make a motion that Jennifer spend up to $250 to get a tent tables okay to replace the booth I'll second it that going to be enough we're up to 500 yeah let's just we'll blow the whole thing I'm not going to I don't want it to be under and I have to choose something that's not we'll revise the motion I'll revise my motion well you have to to $500 uh up to $500 to replace the murf booth and the uh tables all right good coverings all right I'll second that thank you okay motions on the table and seconded um any discussion okay all those in favor say I hi hi okay get a new tent and table yes sir good anything else I might need some stickers and some things like that so that's we work on that okay um just a real quick question where are you on the uh funds from the coloring book are they all done U no I probably I think we have maybe a thousand maybe 2,000 more um but um uh someone in the community uh had an offered to uh donate and possibly print 20,000 more okay um so but that'll be in the future okay all right thank you you're welcome all right um my only update other than U I wanted to talk about the herb side springing and Chad answered that U I've been in contact with Chris close who's the chair of the Anchorage advisory uh meeting uh Chris who excuse me Mr K Chris King Chris King who is the chair of the Anchorage advisory committee and she and I have been exchanging emails and they are putting together in February a uh captains for clean water and would like to have a joint meeting uh with the murf committee uh it would not be an official meeting for us and hat and water keeper it includes a water keeper and I said I would bring it up from a standpoint that given the lateness of our meeting and the fact that we have um a lot to do in March uh but we can't get Dr Dy and his people in uh because we're in the last week of the month here and then scheduled in two weeks to do it again that in Le of having our regular February meeting that we have a joint get together with the Anchorage advisory committee uh acting as our meeting in February and show up and their dates are either February 21 28 or March 7th or 14th um and again since we're having our meeting today I was thinking if we could plan on a February 21 meeting or February 28 that would give us a February meeting without having a meeting but going through and I just wanted to kick that out and see if anyone had any thoughts on it oh I believe it should be separate from normal yes it has to be yes that's what I'm saying it would be in Le of a February meeting because we normally meet in two weeks and we're just meeting now so this would be in L of a February meeting in March we have Dr D hopefully can come in and make his presentation um and and so are these dates available for they're available they're well I haven't checked with Amy yet but uh Chris I'm sure has but it's February 21 or February 28th or March 7th or March 14th and if anyone has a an idea of where they think their schedule is uh we could pick one now and I could send it to Chris so okay well then it then we have to have a meeting and then a meeting and I'm if we want to have because we can't have a meeting in a workshop so we'd either have to go to the workshop and then have a meeting because that is somewhere around our our meeting date okay I forgo the February meeting and I would um say either the 21st or 28th I'm fine with I'm good with any one of those it's all Fridays anyway yeah I work Fridays so I have to get approval okay depending on the time of well it isn't a mandatory meeting I understand that's just my situation yep and I can't do it on the 20 on February okay but otherwise I'm okay how about the 21st first it's good and I think is and that's um a the Anchorage committee is available then too yes looking at my note press so okay I will set it up and make sure that it's okay with the Anchorage committee through um Chris King and I'll get back and have Chad get in touch with everyone through our proper channels what time would it be I don't to be determined we'll try and and it will be broadcasted though yes it has to be made okay all right and that's really all I had on M now I have staff up there you forgot Leo po I'm good oh I'm I did ask Leo oh I'm sorry oh Leo did you no I thought Leo said no sorry I'm good it's good try to I'm just try to Amy was very very sharp I understand about the 12:30 yeah all right so uh the Marine debris project we've collected 435 uh cubic yards of debris out of the waterways to date um contractors done a great job getting really good reviews uh hopefully with these low tides that we have right now they can uh continue to uh get some debris they are uh I believe working with uh not sure if it's FWC or lcso with a car that they found um so that's uh that's been a good project and they're doing a great job working with our Harbor Master and Marine operators uh Kurt and Bobby and and their team so um everything's going uh really well with regards to that project the uh Beach nourishment project um has uh it's it's been been a challenge with these storms um getting knocked back a bit and put us off schedule uh they with the booster pumps uh going down uh they started pumping again uh just south of Diamond Head uh those stretches of beach go relatively quickly because they're only adding a foot or two of elevation that beach is already relatively relatively wide due to the uh Army Corps dredge projects that we've had in years past uh those Nearshore placements wash in and that's why we have a wide Beach down there so they're just adding a foot or two of elevation and and moving it's uh you know the quantity of sand per Shoreline foot is relatively low there um having said that they I'm I was told there are they've gotten the parts for their booster and as soon as that that is situated they will be pumping again down south Mr Sam and uh Mr Sam I think it's been calling me uh regular phone Partners uh lately getting the updates so um they're going to be pumping down there and uh I was told at the meeting this morning they'll be done by March 1st uh down south so uh we will see uh we are working with FWC and have as a contingency applied for a incidental take permit um for a short Bird Season um it is you know non-injurious deterrence uh just to keep the birds out of the the the project area um having said that you know fwc's advice and uh was that it that might even might not even be needed um just because that area is low-lying and has changed so much down there um you know they from their perspective as bird biologists they didn't force [Music] uh nesting down there but you never know Mother Nature does what Mother Nature does and uh you know Snowy Plover Nest could pop up anywhere any day now so um we are you going to have regular uh bird monitors to satisfy permit conditions and even going above and beyond that um the contractor is going to have their bird Monitor and then our engineer also has bird monitors on staff that will be doing daily uh routes to uh monitor the nesting um so yep going to be pumping down south soon a lot of sand coming yall's way uh we'll all feel a lot better once that happens okay any questions for Chad thank you Chad you're welcome okay we are now at the public comment we still have a group of people does anyone wish to have any public comment have a total of three minutes or three minutes four you get a total of three minutes thank you very much so timelines are difficult I know but is there a go time and no go when you can be actually putting the seedlings in the ground in front of the 7,000 Ro is there Turtle time restrictions or or bir restrictions timeline on the 7,000 block there may be a little bit different with Turtles being behind the Lagoon there I mean some of the 7,000 block does not have Lagoon or vegetation in front of it anymore some of it does uh I believe our permit uh says that we can do it during the sea turtle season as long as we're not using heavy equipment on the beach um but again as soon as possible uh I'm going to get these plans revised I'll send it out to y'all if if y'all can give me your thumbs up and we'll get it posted on the website and see if there's any uh um feedback um and get get the plans out to bid um in path there obviously is is a is a traffic line for the Beacher nourishment so we'll have to wait for them to be finished which is March 1st or so correct sometime in March we'll say so we talking that we talking before hurricane season June July to get these things in the ground uh again yeah hopefully before sea turtle season um if we can get the bid out sooner than later um my my hope is to do it before sea turtle season so our our 10t or so planting will be right on our seaw wall closest to the uh our property line uh the Inner Path is maybe 30 40 feet wide there if we wanted to add some trees some sea grapes something that could create shade down a few years down the road would that be going through you or we'd have to have our own contractors uh Implement those and what types obviously dated plants only but yeah either or but i' I'd be happy to work with youall and see if we can um find some funding I I know the funding is um I've had these conversations in the past where uh the urban forestry grants that I've been able to get for trees I've gotten you know a couple of Grants where they'll give us $500 a tree which is great but it's only on public lands and um so that that might be the challenge for getting that grant funding for the private but you never know what kind of uh uh Grant uh opportunities may may arise I think we'd like to see even some private even internally within our own Association to put some groupings out there sh the mangers are going to be gone used to be out you know wind blocks out there and and many spots to uh to enjoy the enjoy the beach thank you for that we'll keep in touch um getting a hold your relatively new board uh on the town's uh website I can't send you a direct email is that would you want to put a uh uh your emails on online or we can reach out to you individually with questions suggestions or just keep going through Chad or John I'm not sure what the protocol is on that you can send also send it to Amy she can forward it then the town clerk thank you okay just kind of a point of order um and this is a good area where Chad can answer some questions but on public comment if you have questions please come up list your questions and then Chad can answer them in order because we're not supposed to have a back and forth on public comment sorry about that chair understood thank you yep okay anyone else have a public comment I'm just trying to follow the rules if you know okay I put my yeah you put your heart back on all right okay with that I will close public comment a question yes I a come I'm being told by a new board member that we have no public beach any longer we were under the impression we it was the high water line up to our building was okay but from there on it was public beach out to the water is that correct so my understanding of the 8,000 block there is no erosion control line there so you own all the way out to the mean high water so okay um really that being said when we provide which I I totally appreciate the fact that castle beach has always for 32 years allowed lagona Shores to come out along our own property and go out to the beach because I cons we considered it a public beach but can they still do that yeah so the the whole thing of public beach and private beach I don't want to it it's you know it's customary use and there's all kinds of legal definitions that I'm not even going to trust try and get into um there there is an easement on your west side of your building or north side of your building whatever you want to call it um and the way that that easement is written is it gives access along the seaw wall and that's because um back in the day the the the waves were lapping up to your to your seaw wall so you know I don't know if that easement necessarily goes away you know just because it's sand there and not waves that easement still says that they have access to you know to skirt along your seaw wall um so I don't I don't have any answers for you per se with regards to that I know there is an easement there yes there is and I also have been told that that easement is over since hurricane Irma now we know that in 2001 when tropical stor brought in all that sand that didn't we didn't need a easement anymore we had no seawalk it's all covered right but but I mean this new new board member is is very adamant on all this stuff and I just need to know yeah I would I would advise you to consult your attorney on that okay very fine I will Chad Chad last time I looked you didn't have Town attorney on your card either no sir but there is there is an easement there and that's that's my understanding so okay okay all right sure thank you all right any other questions before we move on murf award uh does anyone have any nominations for the murf award this month I would continue to to um put in Christine king's name because she was the one that's done all this cleanup for every day every single day she's there so that would be my advice no how many you have in the bank I don't know I didn't get the notes from there okay I think we got oh you had one in the bank I did yes you did oh the um boat the um sight seene tour boat the dolphin I have pict and I have could you go through and explain that again just yes so I had some family in town and uh we decided to go on a sightseeing dolphin watching tour um out of um parake Kee and um on the way back uh or anything we saw we saw lots of dolphins and lots of um sea life and birds but they were very good at educating the people on the boat um they stayed back from the Dolphins they didn't go right up to them they um educate all the tourists and and uh on just being um going slow in that area and protecting manatees and so I thought it was a really good um thing to do when they don't necessarily have to but when I asked them you know and told them I appreciated it they said well that is you know part of their their career and their business is to educate uh people on voting and slow speeds and and caring for our water and our Wildlife back there so I really appreciated that okay so it's really basically part of their professional duties correct okay not all they're not told to do that right not all tour companies abide by the not only the speed laws but animal interaction know rules so having one that does is rare yeah and it's it's good it's a really good thing for our community well would we would we want to give it to the to the company itself or well I believe the captains are the owners I believe of the tour company you know the company itself uh it's on the the picture I have it shows it sight SC s something it's a yellow Bo believe they helped after in to pick up uh with Lee County um keep Lee County Clean um so I I appreciate that they're very involved in helping the community well I think it would I think it would do a little more to if we had the company itself rather than the individual person sightseer sightseer cruises sea this okay so we have two on the board anyone else okay um I'll take a nomination for the murf committee who wants to write this time which one of you two wants to write this time you can if you want have you done that before do you have a picture no you got to just catch her in the ACT doing it find out when she's is going to be out on the beach and get a picture and okay I can do that okay I nominate Mrs K okay I'll take care of that thank you okay and is there a second second for Bill okay Chris King and seconded uh by Rob how and seconded by Bill alop any others nominating okay I'll close nominations all those in favor of Chris King say I I I I oppose motion carries unanimously thank you technically I didn't vote but I'm in favor of Chris King too yeah well you are somebody's prime prime rib actually so next meeting that we've decided is going to be in March one of the things that wait March or February March February I thought we decided we were going to do the February right in L of the meeting right so March March we have uh Dr sees and Dr Daly coming in if they can make it um and hopefully they can to give an update on the uh simulations for the beach um resiliency which I'm looking forward to seeing um and anything else that anyone would like to put on the agenda I uh would like I think didn't you uh request that maybe we have Turtle time come and do a presentation yes um do you want to do that in March or probably in maybe April you don't probably want to do it all to presentation so one day that would be no if we can do it in April I think that would April you know because that's get very close to Turtle season right it is Turtle May 1 I start early T Turtle time turtle turtle time starts in April the official season starts yeah in May one so I think that would be a big a big a good precursor for the start of turtle season and it what about the spotlight um who's up for the spotlight very good thank you welcome U who wrote the last Spotlight I think I did so we want to start uh I can't remember Billy you had yours in front of mine I believe and you were there um can I do uh April do you mind if I recommend sure or may unless someone else wants that month just I was going to do it on sea turtle season okay that'd be good so Beach Spotlight Leo you're the new guy I don't know enough about it yet so we generally write an article about spotlighting something uh that you're concerned about on the beach um one of you know you can write about anything uh what the beach means you know wildlife um something environmental or something environmental or or something that that is a that you think would be of interest to the residents of Fort Meers Beach and visitors and visitors and when you get it done you can send it to chant who will send it to me because you can't send it to me I don't believe legally um and then we can send it out and I did talk to Chad when I sent my last one out and we should be running everything through the uh Town's public information office so that will go to before it goes to the paper or well the Pio the Pio will distribute it to all of the news agencies I got you well um also that um the Murphy came across uh on one of the alerts you guys as an that Murphy was an annual I I know I had him I tried to get him to fix that okay you know that was whatever and I will try and get that corrected this time through otherwise Mrs King won't be happy if I screw her announcement I had I had a um I had a Murphy that was prior to the change over in um with the the last committee members that are no longer on here and I had um Murphy that was and um I sent it a couple times to Chad I don't know or to the town to get to you did you ever receive it no okay so something went wiry on my end I guess but um I was uh someone from the paper reached out to me um and I sent it so okay all right okay just a point of order you're talking still March 12th for the murf meeting yes okay thank you all right anything else I think the resiliency if we get get Dr sesi and Dr da in here will take up a goodly portion of the meeting so that will be an interesting meeting all the way around and again you know they are very I look forward to their input as far as resiliency and and their recommendations throughout the island yes so with that um I will accept a motion to adourn the meeting so move second all right motions made and second and to adjourn thank you very much we'll see you uh in March and I believe the um I believe the February meeting will be open to the public yes yes so we'll we'll send out information on that through the Pio is IM