Welcome to >> Okay, welcome to Cellcap. Thank you. Um we'll begin um call to order which we just did and with the pledge of allegiance. Please >> pledge aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. And we will begin with roll call. And I
will start with um Carrie. >> Yep. Carrie Henderson, >> Lori Wolf, Ellen Vaughn, >> Sher Smith, Barbara Hill, Becky Warner, >> Karina Britz, >> and Jeff Hoggy.
>> Excellent. Has uh everyone read the minutes from last month? >> Yes. >> Yes. Are there any amendments or any changes? Otherwise, I'd like to have a motion to accept the minutes.
>> I motion accept the minutes. >> Okay. Harry has made a motion to accept the minutes from last month from March. Second. >> Second. Gia. Second it. Thank you. Excellent. >> All in favor?
>> Oh yes. All in favor? I I >> Okay, public comment. I do not see a >> I didn't see the minutes in our packet. I didn't either. >> They sent it from last meeting. I got it from >> Yeah, I read it online.
>> I read it online. >> Yeah, >> I didn't have them. >> We can resend them out. >> We can resend. >> They should be online because I saw them online, >> right? But usually usually the they're usually they're with the packet. >> Yeah, we can table it so everyone has a
chance to read it and just approve them next month. >> Yeah, because I was I was being quiet because I hadn't read them because I hadn't seen them. Um, so when you see them online, is it a is it a word document or a PDF file or >> I think it's PDF PDF. >> Yeah, because it was Yeah, >> okay. So, is everyone agreeable with
that? Those that haven't read the minutes, we'll check your emails and read it online. If you have any amendments or anything, um, let me know. Okay. Okay. We have no one from the public, so I think we will just move on to, um, our
staff reports. Um, Jeff or Karina, whichever would like to go. >> Talk about um the house first. >> Yeah, you can just get brief. That's good. >> Okay. Um well I I've submitted all the
um documentations for the well I I know I gave them to you um the February report. Um we continue to receive an increase of u me members and um and visitors to the
moundhouse. We still don't have um we don't have the kayak tours or beach walks and um we did um uh during February we had uh the last movie of the mound
and um we also had an offsite lecture that was very successfully offered uh with a trained volunteer and uh we are all continue to offer orientation and refresh refreshers every first uh Tuesday of the month.
>> I'm sorry. >> There's um um I also submitted your >> I'm sorry. Can I interrupt one second? >> Of course. >> We do have John Mlan on that. We did not vote to have him be a part of the meeting >> u virtually. So, you'll have to do that. I'm sorry I missed that. Sorry, John. >> Oh,
>> is he is he on? >> He's on camera because I know he's out of town. >> He's dialed in. >> He wanted the Zoom link. So, I'm assuming if he has any comments, he'll need to be voted in by you guys. >> Let's see him first. >> Oh, because make sure he's connected.
>> Yeah. John, are you connected with us? >> John Mlan, this is Sher. >> Is his audio might be turned. >> All right, let's just vote to have him in. And then if he gets on, he gets on. If not, nobody can deal. At least you voted. >> All right. Yeah. Um let's have a vote to
um accept um John Mlan as our council representative >> joining our meeting. >> So done. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> Okay. >> Yeah, I know he's driving. So >> yeah, I just if he does have some comments and he we want to be on the
record with that. I just want to make sure he's approved to do so. >> Okay. Thanks. >> All right. And the other thing that I wanted to show you was the um we have a Instagram and Facebook uh content um breakdown and performance. Uh we
continue to uh increase of numbers of views and um we're really really happy about that. >> Is this the update from what was presented in February? >> It's an updated one. Yes. From February
to March. on top of the >> and so we're going to be provided with these monthly reports. Very good. >> Good. >> And and that's really all I have as far as um the the moundhouse if you have any questions.
>> Um yes. Why were there no kayak tours? Was it because of the cold weather? um a combination of um well actually we don't have the staff right now to do kayak tours >> but we are in the process of um getting
uh staff um interviewed and and processed >> correct. So is that anticipated that a new staff person would be in place by next month? >> I don't know if we can put a timeline to it whenever we find the right person. I
don't want to say a month and then we have to we hire somebody that >> we're not comfortable with. So I would say it's open until we're filled. We're we're going through resumes right now. So depending on their schedules and our schedules and then when the the start date is um I'm not I can't I don't
really want to put a timeline to it. Uh just that we're we're working on it now and uh Karina's reviewing and I are reviewing resumes. >> Is that the education coordinator? >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Karina, can you speak into the mic so we can hear you down here? Of course. Thank you. Um Jeff,
>> uh just a quick update about Newton Beach Park. Um we have been negotiating with uh with the contractor or the design company um to so they can start the process. Um we're
really close. We just got to do a couple uh meetings with when it of course like I say always when we talk about um how this works with the CDBGDR everything has to be recorded. Um it has to be um we can't just email or call them on a
whim. So we have to have recorded lines just for communication purposes to make sure everything's on the up and up. Um and the town manager is currently negotiating with with the company. So J.R. Evans. So, did the plans change at all on what we all approved here? Because the last time when he was here,
it was very And Jeff, sorry you were not here because I was like very frustrated about the last meeting because I felt like that they had changed and none of us have seen any changes. So, we'd like to know more about this >> and and nothing that this board does can approve anything. They would just
recommend to the council. So, I >> understand, but can we not see the plans that you guys are discussing right now? >> We don't have plans because we don't have the design company under contract. the the one that we had was a conceptual design. They have that. They they presented that to us in their we had
interviews with them. Um they should be online to to watch. Uh but they had our plan in there to review. Now, when you're talking about and I I sent this in an email to everyone, when you're talking about construction, especially that close to the water, things aren't going to look exactly like
>> how we wanted it. So, um they have that in mind. It was a question that I asked during the interview process with the company. Um, and they said yes, they I said this has been, you know, a concept that the the public liked. And I I know Barbara was there. I don't know if anybody else was there to kind of vet
this process, but all the public was was willing to come. Uh, we only had a couple come to to help out. So, um, yeah, the conceptual design is how we liked it. Yes. I mean, is that the way it has to be designed? Probably not because we need pass through water. We
need all sorts of things, you know, when it comes to water retention. So, yes, we like that concept. We are all in agreement that that was a good concept, but if things have to change because of engineering, then they have to change. So, we don't even have that ability to talk to them about it yet until we get them under contract.
>> Okay. And so, is there a way that does the board always have to be involved in that or can people volunteer to help you guys get this accomplished? It's been like really three years almost going on four. So, it's becoming an issue to be honest with you. So, is there a way that maybe I'd be happy to volunteer. I'd fly
in just like I do for these meetings all the time. Can we get this process moving? It started with the R2P2. That was a public event. Uh we had one at Diamond Head and then one at Town Hall uh trailers that people had their input. Um that was the the visioning session
that the community came up with. Um but now it's just a matter of design. I mean, they they have to put it forward. Um, uh, I know this has been a long road, but we don't even have other infrastructures like one of our to water towers is out. I mean, we do have other priorities we're we're still working
with as well. Newton is one. We have the funding source. Um, it's just a a process. It's it we didn't have the money to put Newton back before. Even when we like the conceptual design, we didn't know how we were going to pay for it. >> Right. But we have the money now. >> We do have the money now. And the process has been going on for over a
year. >> Correct. So, >> I've been keeping very close tabs on it. >> Yeah. And just like any of our other ones, I mean, people want the pool back. They want, you know, they want the water tower to be open. They want all these things. We want a public works facility and utilities facility, you know, as
well. Um, it's just the process that we have to follow for the CDBGR. It's not going to be a quick one. Um, I think I said that the timeline for the for the date we have to have it done by as far as the grant agreement goes is um I
think it's May 31st, 2028. So, we're moving along as quick as we can. Um, we do have weekly meetings with the county as far as as the grant goes. There's things in the background such as, you know, you know, with the CDBG DR that we need a grants writer and title basin's
been that they wanted additional information about that. Um, you know, we had to go through quite the process uh to we actually went out to bid one other time on on Newton Park. Uh, we did not fulfill the requirement from the CDBGDR
to pick one at that time. That delayed it probably another 6 months because of our procurement policy. Um, so it's just yes, we're working on it. Yes, we want it open. Um, we're trying to do as much as we can. Today they were down there trimming and trying to make it look nice, as nice as it can, but there's
nothing we can do to rush this. If we rush it, we may lose out on the funding and then we're really up a creek. So, um, we are really doing the quickest that we can. Um, but we do have money secured for Newton Beach Park. Uh, almost it's like three
and a half million, I think. So, um, it's going to be a great park. it's going to look similar to what we what the community wanted and that they came up with the R2P2 um design. Uh will it look exactly like it? Probably not. Um just because that's not how it works with conceptual designs. If anybody's
been through that process, things always change. Um and that stuff. So it can't go any quicker, I'm telling you. Um it's a process. It's the government. It takes a long time. We can't just hire somebody um to do the job. It doesn't work like
that. We have our procurement policy which usually from design concept to so we have to so I'll go through the whole thing just to be clear about it. So we got these funds um about a year ago we had to submit paperwork to the
department of HUD who's a pass through from Lee County that was part of the $1.8 billion or whatever it was that the county got. Um we had to do our paperwork just to to secure that grant and that took quite a long time. Um, we're talking about the federal government and and the the county. So,
it took a while. Um, then we had to put it out for bid for the design. Um, we did that. It took about 6 months to get the bid out. We only had, I think, one bid at that time, which we required to have three. Um,
so we had to go actually to another council, two other council meetings and tell them to reject that bid and then we could start over. So when people say, "Let's rush this thing. We want it done now." It's not, it's not that easy at all. It's, you
know, we have to put it, we had to put it back out. We finally got one. Then we have to have two public meetings with them and and decide which company we want to go with. So we had to schedule those. Um, and then once we decided, it has to go back to the council for them to approve and then back to Lee County and
HUD to be approved. Um we're in that once that's approved then the town manager from by the council the town manager um can set up negotiations with the company um which we're doing currently and then they will design it. They think about eight nine months to design and then
um probably another year to construct. So that's that's probably the timeline that we're looking at. >> I just look at it as it's a money machine that's sitting there and we're not getting the money that we need to. I can't tell you how many times people have been lined up park trying to park there and there's only these few little
spaces. I mean, even if we have to like open up more parking for people so you guys can make more money, I'm all for it. But right now, it's just crazy how we just It's just sitting there and nothing is being done. It's a money maker for us and I feel like that we're
missing the opportunities. >> Sure. >> Just like today. I mean, there were people lined up this morning trying to get in there, but there's no place to park. >> Yeah. And in order to do that, then we have to get a new zoning for additional parking. Um, it it's just I mean, I don't know if I'm not explaining this
well. >> No, you are. You are. I >> just a lot of things that we can't just we can't just do it just like any any other resident or commercial can't just do parking anywhere they want. >> I'm just saying that it's just sad because it is a it's a money maker for us all. >> That's right. It would be for the town.
And actually the money that we make we make on parking we don't make money on that because whatever we get excess it goes to our pay our bridge loan that we got from the state. So we don't have additional revenue on parking which doesn't even come to Newton or the
moundhouse. It goes to the town um you know the parking entity. But uh yeah I mean we can have a conversation all day if you want about it. >> No you don't have to. I'm glad you explained it to I'm trying to explain it a little bit better, but uh you know it's a process and I know you know what
whatever you have. I know people thought the pickle ball courts took a while. Well, we had issues with that too as far as the bids go and all. We just have to do it the right way. Um and it's just unfortunately not a quick process just like some of these developments. We're not going to see
them for 10 years, >> you know, if we see them, you know, it's it's going to be 10 15 years even when they they get the permit again. So things are going to take time. We're not a private entity that can just say, "Hey, I want >> Exactly. >> I want Karina to to build this for us and we can just do it. We got to do the
proper channels." And when you're dealing with three different three different stages of government, >> slows it way down. And they're aware of that. We're frustrated with it and we have to follow the same processes. We meet with them. We meet as a as a as a
town once a week about these projects to what we can move forward and then it's got to get approved by the the county and they send it on their way. So, um I wish we could go quicker. I want to go quicker. I want all these amenities open. Um really the way the pool is
going to be, that's going to probably be our money maker. Um Newton Beach is only parking. We don't charge for the actual park. So, not that we're not trying to do our best and getting that done as quick as we can. That'll probably be the first one done. um just because we a have a conceptual plan that we like and b we're not building anything there uh
as a permanent structure. So >> a question um Jeff with regard to um Newton Park as a public park and providing these kind of core services like parking and restrooms. Um but
there's no signage for those who do not know that that belongs to the town of Fort Myers Beach. Is there any conversation among staff about having signage facing Astero Boulevard and the Gulf to alert visitors that this is a
place for them to use? >> Uh there's the beach access sign that's on there that that calls for parking um right out in front. Uh but other than that, no, there's no sign right now. >> And it doesn't say Newton Park, public park, >> welcome or parking, restrooms available,
nothing. It says parking on the beach access sign, >> but nothing nothing about the restrooms. I mean, that to me would sort of be a public service that could I mean, it wouldn't be expensive. >> Yeah. I mean, we do have the logo on our our our um trailer that says it's the towns, but
we can get sandwich board or something out there. >> I something to alert the public that it >> Yeah. I mean, it's usually full. >> So, it is always full. >> Is it all? Yeah, >> it is always full. And people I mean people have been coming here for years. They automatically have started going
there again. I mean we walk our dog over there all the time. So we talked to a lot of people and they're like so happy that they have the bathrooms now and there is very little parking. They're very happy about that. But I mean it's always full. >> Yeah. And that probably has a more than any other well not any other but
majority of the accesses. Newton has more parking there than they do at they only have a couple at most of them. So >> that brings up the question about Strand View as public access there for years. It was closed since Hurricane Ian. Is it now open? >> It's still closed because trucks keep
still are coming in and out of there when we need to. That's an entrance, but that is going to be the main entrance um for the new park. Strand View is going to be the main one or that comes into the parking lot. You know, I've had conversations with the neighbors and you know, Joe having the shared driveway. I want to keep that to him.
>> Um so the parking is the way we talked about it, but we can't talk about design yet until we sign the contract and it goes back to council where we can approve the contract. So, >> and we did approve that, I believe, to have the parking along the side and adjacent to Strand View public access.
>> But I but that'll be a decision for the council. >> Ah, right. >> When they get the plansation, so we can recommend that we like we like it, but and then come to council and say, "Hey, look, we we like this plan or we want to see this over here." Um that would be your time at public comment obviously to do that or put have somebody come know
there's some committee member committees that they come almost every time and give them updates. Um so you know doing something like that and updating you know what we want to see. Uh that's our time to talk. Um they do have a a line item every every meeting for uh advisory
boards and only a couple take advantage. So >> well I think the >> Is that John? >> That's John. You're upside down. >> You're upside down. John, are you with us? >> He's in space. >> He's driving his daughter's car. >> I hope you're not upside down.
>> Hi, John. >> Uh, we can't hear him. >> I bet he can hear us, though. And that's important. >> Yeah. >> Well, we can't hear you, John. Um, actually, I just a clarification because it's more than just coming for public comment to council. I believe the
purpose of our advisory board is to actually vote >> and then provide that as a recommendation that goes to council. >> Exactly. Right. Yes. Right. You would have an official vote as as an advisory board that would then go to council as a recommendation. >> Right. that would be in the agenda as
board action to say, "Okay, now we've got enough information." Carrie, to your point about having the conversation about vetting the plan, making any recommendations that we want with regard to being for it or against it or being
ambiguous. I mean, I think that that's at this discussion level and then that becomes a recommendation to council at which point then someone from SECAP would then give the public comment under advisory board. >> Well, rather than public comment,
>> no, it wouldn't be a public comment. It'd be your advisory board time agenda item agenda item. You know, in the past, we um not always, but for a while, I think it was probably before the hurricane, but we would have a representative from the group go into
council and give a report, >> right? >> Yes. >> And maybe we ought to be start doing that again. >> Yeah, it's definitely there for who who wants it in the >> Good idea. >> In the I know I think uh MURF does it quite a bit and Anchorage does it quite a bit. I'd say every other meeting
probably. So it it's your time to, you know, to to sign up and and talk about what we've been talking about at CECA. So, >> well, actually, we've already had this board action with regard to the collection management policy, and we're just waiting for that to become before
council, and that will be an advisory board agenda item. uh for clarification with regard to meeting agendas, I'd like to see uh for where we're having agenda items, but if there's actually time for us as an advisory board to vote, I think
an agenda item would be an actual board vote or board action. >> So that that way, you know, for archival purposes, somebody could say, okay, well, that's when the advisory board actually voted on something. It didn't just discuss. So clarification there
>> and during each topic somebody can always raise a motion. >> Absolutely. >> So kind of the same thing, you know, you could should we should make I'll make a motion to recommend to the council this or recommend that we do this, you know, kind of thing. So yeah. >> Well, is that true? Because I thought
every agenda item needs to be posted in advance. >> Well, the agenda item would be on here. Say we're talking about the MAPS program, >> you know, it's under here for items for discussion. So, we would talk about that. Anything else I would I would table till the next meeting. If we were
talking about, you know, what color we think Karina's hair should be. >> Exactly. >> Um, you know, we would we would say, "Hey, that's a discussion item for next time. It's not on our agenda." And then we go and put it on the next one if that's if that's because you all set the agenda.
>> Staff are only here to answer some questions if you need to. Um, you know, and like other >> other committees, the staff leans really talk. So, Um, this is your all board to run and uh we're here to answer questions when you need it. And >> good.
When is the next council meeting? >> The 6th. >> The I'm sorry, April 6th. >> Okay. >> We wouldn't we already missed the deadline to put anything on that agenda. It's a two week before. So then it'll be the next one because we we need to have
um now that we have the collections all you know voted on and everything >> collection management >> the management policy that we I want Barbara to go before the council and >> yes >> and and it just keeps not happening and we've had that for quite a while. So so
there's a blue sheet or something that happens. >> Yes. Karina and I spoke about this um she is going to get trained on blue sheets um which is great. I don't have to do all of them. Um, and it's a pretty simple process, but it's got to be done the right way. Um, so with the language
that they need. So, um, you're going to get with with the clerk's office and get trained. But we should have that. We should have two agenda items on probably the following one, which will be the moundhouse, um, repairs that we have to do and then the the maps accreditation. So, >> maps. So, that would be the 20th that
Yeah. >> Monday the 20th of April. >> Yes. As long as we can get >> we'd have to get those in by April >> 6. So, we can do that. >> Okay. Can you get Okay, that'd be great. >> We can do that. >> It's been kind of hanging out there and wanted to get it before council. So, and
um another thing I'd like to comment on too is um as far as staff goes, and I've been out to the moundhouse quite a bit lately and we are short staff and we really really need that third person out there because I see Briana
who's giving tours, you know, and yeah, and she's excellent, but and she is so excellent, I don't want to burn her out. >> And the same with Karina. Mhm. >> So if we can just Yeah. Yep. So exactly. So if we can just get that third person
in there to help out. >> Yeah. We're I know we got more resumes sent to us today. We're going to go through them um get them on the books and >> we I think we got a little bit of more free reign for us to do that departmentally instead of just HR. So um I think you know we hopefully we get the
right person in here. We can interview them and then offer uh a position which which we have. So, and then unfortunately that's the last head that we really have there. Head being a position that's open. Um, >> you know, with when we talked about all
the budget cuts, we had to between us and Bay Oaks, we're the worst. Um, so unfortunately, it is going to be what it is for right now until next budget season, but we are going to try to put in those those additional educators or any other position that we we feel like
it it needs. So I do have to say and you know talking to Ellen you know she sent a nice email uh you know pushing us which is great. So uh I encourage that and I just thanked her before the meeting for that. Um but the other thing that she brought up
and I want to just say thank you to is all the dosens um that help out. I I I drive through there um just about every other day. I don't always stop. I wave to Karina in the window sometimes but I at least check on the grounds and see how it's going. But uh you know there's always people walking around and and uh it looks it looks beautiful out there
and um we couldn't do it right now honestly without the dosens and the volunteer help. So thank you >> and it has been busy. I mean I am really pleased with what we have and uh so we really you know we we really need that third person to take the excess off. We
uh we also had a nice volunteer um breakfast >> and I was it was very very well attended. We probably had what 12 13 people there >> and so I mean and that's really encouraging to see. So, and we really
need volunteers because we have so many school groups coming in and it's just a lot for these guys to handle for Karina and Sandre and you know so >> yeah if we can >> sorry unfortunately that was one of the risks that we gave to the council um in
making all these cuts that >> these tours these kayak tours >> um are going to I wouldn't say suffer but they are suffering um and that was one of the risks that was going to and it being short staffed. So, we we did lay all that out and unfortunately it's
coming to fruition and it's it's unfortunate we'll hit on it next budget season, but I hope >> hope we can maybe buy them pizza once in a while to take >> Does the next budget season start Oops. >> Yep. Does the next budget season start in October?
>> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yep. So, we'll we'll start probably in the next Well, probably in April. Um already starting with our budgets. Um, and uh, I can guarantee you that we're going to make a push for additional
staff as much as we can. Fortunately, it's not just us that makes that decision. Um, and you know, it's it's it was an unfortunate situation this year with the budget being how it was. And I I it wasn't an easy choice for anybody. I mean the council for sure because they had to vote on it and they kind of had
to do what they had to do because we didn't have a raise really in the millillage rate which would have helped but um it it had to be done. >> So Jeeoff as a matter of protocol is there what is there a strategy you would recommend that as individuals we reach
out to people via email? Should we be approaching town council? Um, >> uh, yeah. I hate to say that on them, but yes. >> No, I mean I mean they're they're the one that that are gonna ultimately make the vote. I'm not I'm not pushing it.
I'm not blaming at all. I'm sorry. I don't mean to sound like that. It's just how it is and the situation that we had this year. So, >> um, >> yeah, we you'll you'll see the the budget. It'll be I think we have a couple budget hearings um in I don't
know if they're August or September. >> Yeah, there was I came I spoke at >> Yes, you did. Yeah. So, that'll be out. So, that would be you know either emails or coming to those meetings um and saying how important it is and what you've seen this last year uh you know
how it affects it. You know, unfortunately, we report that everything's all good and there's a lot of people and but >> but but but it's it's it's the opportunity cost. For example, with with the kayaks, if we're not offering kayak tours, people said, "Oh, you know what? I've discovered I can go to Lover's Key." They're not going to come back, >> right?
>> Yeah. >> It's going to take a lot to get them to come back. >> And I'm agreeing. And that's that's what I brought out in front of the board last year. It was just unfortunate this last year happened. >> Yes. And I think I think we all need to understand that the only way it's going to get better is we increase the millage rate. I think they have the lowest mill
rate in the county >> and I think we need to be pushing that to our town counselors that we understand that >> times are tight for a lot of people. However, they're going to get tighter if we keep operating this way. >> I mean, I don't have a great >> I can't necessarily push that as a
staff. Um, >> of course you can, but we can. >> But we can. >> But I can uh I see John >> I can put money or I can >> I can plan a budget accordingly. So, if it raises, we may get this. If it doesn't, we're cutting this again. So,
it's it's our it's our staff job is to put together a budget that um may balance the budget, which we had to do last year, and cut I think between our our two programs. It's was like almost 500,000 or 600,000. Um but
hopefully that won't happen next year and we can put some money towards our our amenities, >> right? Because actually, even even assuming that this new staff person, the educator, is going to come on board, we're still short because you really should be having two. We can't do full programming without two full-time
educators because it's just >> you can count on volunteers to help out, but we're not we're not professionals, right? Exactly. >> And some play some were professionals in their past life, but >> it Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Professionals and air quotes maybe. I mean, you guys are somewhat the experts
of the moundhouse, some of you. So I was going to say >> I beg to differ on that a few for a few but >> but I mean as far as far as an educator like for example next week when the 120 kids a number of the people at the dosent are retired educators I am not I've figured out how to play one but
>> but it's better when you have someone that really has the skill set as if there if there is a behavioral issue. I'm going to be flying by the seat of my pants. I raise children so I have my strategy but I'm not an educator. I don't know the official >> Yeah. So anyway Yeah. So, we're gonna
hope for no behavioral issues. >> Yes, I hope so. >> Maybe I can send a ranger down. >> John, can you hear us or can you hear us? >> John, are you with us? >> I I am. I can't tell if I'm mute or not. Can you hear me?
>> Yeah. Yeah, we can hear you. Can you hear us? >> Okay. >> I would like your thoughts. >> I was going to make some comments. One is um you should feel free to um use both the votes that you make for
agenda items during the cellcap meetings where you have as an advisory committee are making a recommendation to town council. But you should also feel free as a resident and concerned citizen to
reach out to town council members individually or through Amy to all of them at once and you know make your whatever argument persuasive um um case you can make what have you uh
individually. the so there's the two mechanisms by which you can help influence the policy that the counselors are going to make and to Jeff's point the staff are going to put all the budgets together um basically between
now and the July break and then when we come back as council we'll have those public meetings and that's where we'll be looking at the budget. Now, I haven't gone through the process before, so I'm not intimately um you know, I don't understand it intimately at this point,
but what I would assume we would get it with uh probably different scenarios as to you know, the recommended mill and then if that doesn't pass, I would hope that there would be some discussion as to, you know, what would be at risk and
what wouldn't. And that's kind of where you can perhaps have some influence up front, right? Uh is is when those those different scenarios are being laid out because council are going to make their decisions based on the millage rate. Um,
but the thing that you're more concerned about, I would say, is not the macro of the millage rate, which granted some counselors are going to vote strictly about how long that means, but also how much funding does SECAB get in the mouth
get versus, for example, pay. So, you know, Jeff wear a couple of different hats right now. Um, but you're the advocates for house. So, >> okay. >> Does that make sense? >> Okay. Yeah, and John, I agree and I'm just going to piggy back off that and that's exactly what happened this last
year. Um, so you saw the process. It'll be it'll be the same. Um, if we do have to make cuts, the town manager asked us to come in front and talk about what the risks will be. Um, and risks being, you know, cut in programming, which is always a catch 22. We don't have as many
kayak tours, we're not making as much money. And if we don't have as much money, it doesn't show up in our budget. So, you know, it it's kind of a snowball on that, too. But again, I totally understand what happened this year. Um, hopefully it will not happen this this coming
year. >> Good. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um, >> yeah, remember not to I mean there's also there's going to be three seats that are up. So, you're going to have not just I mean,
you're going to be having to petition the existing council members, but I would suggest that you also get to know your candidates. Well, um they'll be kind of stuck with the budget that they have, I believe. I don't I don't I'm not
sure of the timing for that. I'd have to look into it. Um, but you've got, you know, two sex parties that you should be talking to, but we'll see how it all turns out. >> Okay. Well, great. Thank you, John.
Good. Well, um, is everyone pretty well settled on our staff reports? And have any more questions for Jeff or Karina? Actually, I I want to share the um information that Karina brought down,
which I want to share to the rest of the advisory board members with regard to the advertisements that we've got in local publications. >> Carrie, because of you being in marketing, >> seeing them I also read it in the um the Southern
Living or whatever. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I've been I have it all set up on my computer so it pops up. >> Good. Good. Yeah. >> So, it's in that staff report under marketing at the very bottom, but it was really nice of Karina to bring the actual publications so we all can see
how much um marketing is being accomplished. >> Correct. >> Thank you. >> And also, I think the Facebook postings are wonderful, you know. So, keep it up, Karina. You're doing a great job. I >> I have a question. I have a question
about if we're under moundhouse, you know, 6B, >> what's happening with the landscaping? >> I have to say coming up. >> It's a terrible dry dry dry season, but it's looking a little bit bit draggable. What's happening with the new stuff at
landscaping? Yeah, we've got it on the agenda. >> Oh, it is. >> I'll hush then. >> Okay, then we'll move on to our map. and we have we have okayed and already um set up our collections
management program and we are just kind of waiting for um for Barbara to go before council and have council accept that before we can move on and there's four steps to the map program. So once we get the collections
um we get the council's okay on the collections we can move on to the next step. Um, Barbara, do you have anything to say on that on what? >> Actually, yes. When we had our last meeting, obviously we spent a good bit of time talking about the map, the
strategic plan, and uh, last month, Karina had added to the MAP uh, recommendations. Um, let me see if I can find that in my u, >> yeah, the postmap action plan. And if I remember correctly because my notes
indicated because this was such a complicated multiaceted effort on part of staff and um Cellcap is that the postmap action plan and our original strategic plan was to be discussed at
length in a separate meeting which by the way had been planned right >> for March 10th. So because that meeting didn't happen and unfortunately I didn't get a notice that it had not um it wasn't uh scheduled
that we need to take a special meeting to really concentrate on dovetailing what we now have as an action plan for MAP and our strategic plan. So we need to reschedule that March the March 10th meeting. >> Exactly.
Here it is. I >> we can do right now. >> Yes. And I think that kind of goes into our strategic plan because I was looking at both our strategic plan and the map and it's something that very badly needs to be done. We were kind of waiting for
um the the council to kind of get their the town for them to get their strategic plan together. But I think that we can go ahead and start getting ours together because it needs there's been a lot of work, a lot of changes and um I think it's something that we really need to
work on. Um would it be advisable with everyone to um meet next month in April? >> Well, you mean beyond our regular April meeting? >> Yeah. Right. Yes. Yes. So, and if I when
we updated it in 2022, it was a multour meeting, wasn't it? Like a half day session. >> It would take it will take it will take a while. >> Yes. >> So, so I if I recall I believe did we do that like on a Saturday or something? So, >> I can't remember but I remember you know >> I know it was a multi
>> me too. Yeah. It takes it takes a while and we we did have a big production of it where we had you know a lady come in and help us and stuff. Oh, we had facilitator facilitator. But I think I think if we just schedule a meeting for all of us to go over
>> uh the strategic plan, >> I think that would would help. >> So I think >> what happened with the March 13th meeting? >> The March 13th. Oh, there was a there was a conflict. >> We were we were going to meet at the mound house.
>> It was March 11th. No, it was March 10th, Tuesday at 10 o'clock because we talked about it in our meeting, >> right? We tal we talked about it, right? And then there was a conflict on using the moundhouse. The moundhouse was busy and so um
we really weren't notified. I tried notifying everyone singly >> and um so we just we had a conflict on that. But if we can reschedu and we were looking at if we do meet at the moundhouse um when it was the friends that were meeting when we planned on it
if we meet on a Monday or a Tuesday the moundhouse is not open >> but is there staff there on Monday? >> Uh not Monday but Tuesday >> Tuesday but Tuesday. >> So so Tuesday we would meet >> and and when are the friends meeting? They're meeting on >> you have priority. Well, but still the Bev said you're
meeting every Monday on >> um >> Well, there's a board meeting on Tuesday the 14th. >> A friend's >> a friend's board meeting Tuesday the 14th, >> right? >> Okay. How about the first week of April?
And that but that meeting because Bev is on the the charter committee >> that meeting is is at 9:00 a.m. So we could meet later in the day. >> Okay. >> That's from 9 to 10 on the 14th. So if we met in the afternoon. >> Well, and
I'm thinking that if it were sort of >> on the afternoon for sure. >> Pardon? >> Afternoon better for me. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking sort of it what if it was like 10:30 to 3 as opposed to dumping everybody off at horrible traffic times. Although April ought to be better than >> Right.
>> March. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it's starting at 10:30 would be >> would that would that work for everyone? 10:30 >> and then bring your own lunch. Don't worry about bringing your own lunch and then and we could zoom if you if I could zoom that'd be great. >> April 14th. >> I'll be at Big Sky. I'll be in Big Sky.
>> Okay. >> April be a different time zone, too. That's okay. That That's not a problem. I'm working. >> Okay. Okay. All right. So, April 14th at the Moundhouse at 10:30. >> Oh, you know, we had a field we were going to go on a field trip that day, but
>> on that Yeah, I was going to >> um Yeah, I was going to confirm with you. Um but yeah, >> well, how about the following week? >> Yeah. >> 21st. >> 10 a.m. >> Are we doing it at 10 a.m.? >> 10:30, she said. >> Or 10:30. 10:30 is what we were
suggesting, but um we could meet the following week if that's a conflict with you, Karina. >> The 21st. >> How does April 21st at 10:30 look for everyone? >> Well, then it doesn't then the friends
don't have a meeting then. Correct. >> Right. >> So, it could be earlier. >> So, we could be like we could start. >> So, we changing it. >> So, it's going to be the 21st. >> April 21st >> at 10. >> At 10. So, we've changed. >> I probably can't make it at 10, but I God can commit >> when you can. Yeah.
>> So, like 10 to three and bring your lunch. Yeah. >> And we'll work over our strategic plan and and look at the map program also. So, there is a lot of updating that needs to be done. So, so that's great.
Okay. So, that's agreeable with everyone. >> Yeah. And just a side note, um you know, talk talking to Dr. Kohler um about the strategic plan. They're the general one for the town is going to say, please don't hold me to these words
because it's not the words. They're going to say basically they're they want the Moundhouse to ent enhance programming and staffing uh and beautifification at the Moundhouse. So, okay, >> ours is going to trickle down then to what does that mean? How are we going to achieve those goals?
>> Okay. Okay. That's great. That's good to know. And we might yeah we might want to make a a note and do some thinking on our mission and our vision >> because things have changed. So kind of put your little gray cells working there
>> and um so let as long as you got your calendars out too. Is our next meeting cell cab is it the 23rd or the 30th? >> The 23rd. 23rd is regular >> meeting and then >> and we pretty much always meet on the
fourth Thursday. Well, this is the month. >> That's the third though. >> That's the third. >> It'd be the 30th if >> we stick with I'm fine with either one. >> Two, three, four. >> Oh, that'd be the fourth. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I see what you're saying. >> So, what's agreeable with
>> 23rd? >> 23rd. >> Okay. With >> I just want to put that I'm sorry to come back on it. I was just looking at the town calendar. Um, we need our IT department to be to set up because it'll be a public meeting >> on the 21st. Correct.
>> Um, there's an LPA meeting at 9. >> You said the 23rd. >> Yes. >> Yeah. The 23rd. Oh, >> they always meet on a Thursday. I know, but the 21st the strategic plan the strategic planning session is also a public meeting. >> If it's a working meeting,
>> it would have to be a public meeting. Okay. >> Because of sunshine laws. Yeah. Okay. >> Well, it goes on. >> I mean, if you guys can't even email together, we can't meet without being video. >> So, it will be recorded all day long. So, we can't do it that day. >> If we go till 3. >> Correct.
>> Okay. All right. So, >> but I'm just saying that I don't know how long the LPA will go. >> That usually goes way more than an hour. >> So, we may want to push it back because we won't have the ability to have somebody there to run the meeting
>> back forward. I'm sorry to that ring. >> No, that's good to know. Um, >> could he give us some dates? >> Um, yeah. >> What was the other the other ones you were throwing out?
>> Uh, well, we had discarded the other ones that we had thrown out. >> Yeah, we >> So, we're probably going to go after. So, we're probably going to be in May. >> Then May. I will not be here. >> I will not. >> Yeah, I'd like to do it in April. >> So, I would like to get it done in April. Can we could do Could we piggy back on yours and go back to the 14th?
>> That's that's a field trip to Marco Island. >> Oh, >> unless you wanted to do it at our normal meeting time and extend it and that'll be like our only agenda item. >> I think that so that would be April 23rd. Then >> yeah, then we'll get it done.
>> So that's 23rd. We It should be It looks open in here and through the whole day. So >> excellent suggestion. Does that work for everyone? wipe out the 21st. >> So, so if we did the 23rd, could we make these meeting start earlier in the day?
>> We could. Yes, probably. >> There's nothing in here >> in the council chambers. No. >> Okay. So, we could meet start at 10. >> Councelor McClean has a meeting with the town manager at 10:00. >> At 10:00. Okay. Well, how about 11? Sorry, I didn't mean to throw out your
schedule there, but it's on our schedule. >> Okay. Well, we want him there. >> So, if we met at 11, >> 11:00 till whenever. >> So, John, do you think you'll be finished with the town manager in an hour? >> John, you'll be meeting with the town.
>> It usually takes uh 45 minutes to an hour, so that's not a problem. >> Okay. So, 11:00 would be good with you. >> Excellent. So, 11:00 on >> the 23rd. 23rd. >> So 11 and we should plan on 11 maybe.
>> Yeah. It's probably going to go for a long time. >> Yeah. That way we don't have to advertise for another meeting too. >> Okay. Go ahead. Good idea. >> Yes. Excellent. Good thinking. >> Thanks. 23rd at 11:00. Okay.
No conflicts. Wonderful. Everyone have that? >> Yep. >> Strategic plan 23rd, April 23rd at 11:00 until
>> Yeah. 3 or 4, however long. >> Lunch. Do we want to bring our own lunch? >> Yeah, we'll just bring our own lunch. >> Let me find out if we can do something else on that. >> Put that in Jeff's hands. Yeah, we'll put that down and uh >> Yeah.
>> Excellent. >> We can provide water out of the machine, but other than that, >> no, >> that works. That works. >> We'll see what we can do. >> Water, >> right? Yeah. That's what we deserve. Uh okay, we'll move on then to um something that's very exciting. The underground.
>> Yes. Um Karina, can I get your take on that to start, please? >> Of course. Um well, what I gave you is just an overview of the um of the project and um the the steps that we
need to take um in order to to open the underground. Um if there's you did you get a chance to kind of see it, read it? Do you have any questions about that? >> Has everyone had a chance to see the underground
>> the Yes. the not the under the the project, the steps that we're going to be taking to >> um the steps that we need to to take in order to open the underground. >> Right. >> So that's what I gave you. >> That's the underground itself. It's the
report that she >> the report, right? >> It's her status of what what is required to >> Yeah. There there'll be some additional I' I've talked to the town manager about this. I'll just wait.
>> Was it the program? >> So, yeah. >> I don't have one in mine either. >> Just sit down and go through things and I can't do it in five minutes. Anybody else not have it? Everyone have it? >> Yep. >> Okay, we got it. >> So, I did I did just on my my two cents
here. Um I did talk to the town manager with the other reports that came out. um he wants to of course be very sure that it's safe, that it's both uh physically safe to be in there and uh you know we
can we can be in there as far as the air quality, those kind of things. So this is a Karina did a great job of kind of the overview uh of it, but there's going to be a little more involved. He he wants we want reassurance that it's completely safe. There was some reports
that were contradictory to that. Obviously, we all heard it. Um, but we'll probably do another review of that, have a second person come in. Um, but that's our ultimate goal. Our ultimate goal is to keep people safe, right? Our sec, that's one A, 1 B is to
get the underground open. >> Um, so we want to do everything we can at least for them to at least witness what's in there. >> Um, and what that may look like might depend on those reports. But our our push right now is is to get the underground open cuz that's that's it's a big part of the part of the
moundhouse. >> And of course >> say there's there's obviously no guarantees. Of course, if someone says it's not structurally safe, then we have to we have to live with that, right? If we get another storm and it starts to collapse again, we might have to live with that. If we get a high tide or
flooding and it starts to collapse, we got to live with that. So, um, I just want to be really, you know, transparent in that that we're we're trying. We're going to, you know, Karina's been doing a great job of putting, you know, her her foot forward and and getting this open, but there is a possibility that
someone might say no. Um, but we're going to do what we can again, revisit it. Um, the only other issue, and it's always the issue, right, is we haven't budgeted any of this to replace anything. So, we would have to
either maybe ask the friends or fund raise or something. But, um, and until, you know, maybe this might take till October and we could maybe throw something in the budget. But, um, >> you know, all this unfortunately costs money and we already did cut a ton of money out of Mount House, unfortunately.
But, um, I just want to be completely transparent on all of that. Um, I know everyone's excited that we're looking into it and everyone's clapping, but I don't want my intention is to reopen it as long as it's safe. So, safety is always number one.
>> Um, but if it they say it's safe to go in and it's safe for people to be in there, >> then 1B will happen as long as I can. >> I see that as a big step forward. >> Yes, very big. But I mean, we also know that the, you know, when I look at the
reports and talk to Karina that honestly the Moundhouse is getting a lot of visitors. I know that would just enhance it, but there are a ton of other programs out there that that we want to promote, but I know that's a big one. >> But, um, >> anybody I just want to say anybody listening like just cuz the underground isn't open,
>> still go there. It's beautiful. It's great. So, I don't want to I don't want to be like, "Oh, it's it's closed. It's closed. We don't know we're going to reopen it." But still, please visit the Moundhouse. There's so much to do. And I know the the reason we were talking about staffing is because we're getting a lot of activity there. A lot of people
on the grounds, a lot of people at least doing the tours. Um, so I don't want that to deter people from going there, but I just want to tell you that there's still a push to keep it open. >> Good >> or reopen. And I can I can share that I had a conversation with Be Milligan who was the president of the Friends of the
Mountain House and she asked me specifically if we could if there was a budget being proposed for what it would cost to reopen the mouth. They're seeing it as a huge fundraising opportunity. >> Yes. >> Perfect. And and I think I think we've talked about that since maybe day one, you know, is once we get the cost that I I know the friends, they've done such a
wonderful job with us >> um helping us out, fundraising for us, picking up the additional cost, um that I I don't see that being being an issue either. So, >> and and frankly, I think to think to have that opening funding, the opening of the underground would be a very easy
sell for a number of people far and wide. Very wide. >> Yep. Countywide. We have a capital campaign. >> Yes, we could definitely. Yes, that's what Beverly's talking about, a capital campaign. >> Yes, exactly. >> And I'm wondering, Karina, >> at a meeting, and I really don't
remember when, but it was in the trailers and Teresa came and was talking about some of the steps that were taken in the very beginning that it seemed that the people in charge, which was not you, um, really didn't really know about. And I'm just wondering, have you
in been in touch with Teresa about some of those early things that she was talking about um provisions that had been made in the very beginning that might solve some of the problems? >> Uh no, not not at this time, but I I will definitely >> Okay, great. >> Yeah. And I know I know when we bring
somebody in, they're going to look at existing structure. Um a lot of it was compromised under there. We know that it was completely underwater. Um it's it's literally built into a mound. So, but we will they're going to take all that into account and
see if the structure there is is sufficient. Um so that would be how they thought it would you know we could build something that think it's going to work but we need an engineer to come in and tell us it did work. So >> yes, absolutely. >> Okay, definitely. And if you remember in
the beginning we had someone who uh on their own I I think we can find it in our notes who actually had some recommendations on that of he was thinking in terms of international corporations that would be willing to help underwrite that and do it >> in his view basically pro bono.
>> Well that was that came to speak >> that Charles exactly Joe wasn't >> no that was Charles. >> Yeah. >> Did you follow up with him? I did. And then >> I can't remember his last name, but yeah, Charles. >> Yeah. And I It's in the record somewhere. >> Okay. Because that would be great
because he was Yes. I think >> right >> Myers or South Florida. He was >> South Florida. >> South Florida. >> Yeah. Very knowledgeable. So that'd be a great resource. >> Yeah. >> Connected and connected to international engineering companies.
>> Just keep in mind my earlier speech about it's going to take time. >> Of course. Of course. Of course. Yes. Yes. But we won it yesterday. >> It >> that's true. I agree with that. But >> it's it's it's difficult because when people come to the Moundhouse, that's
one of the things they know about and they want to see. And I say, "Just hang on. Come back next year. We'll be, you know, come back. Don't give up on us. We'll have it open." >> We wound up refunding the money for a party of four because that's what they came to see. Even though it's all over
the place that it's not open, but they >> they want Yeah, it it is a big money maker. It really is. >> Would it be possible to put that video that used to show in the moundhouse, I mean, in the underground that that showed it and talked about it and put
that on some sort of iPad somewhere in the museum that would at least give people an idea >> that even though it's old and I know it's outdated somewhat, but it would be something. >> We don't have money for an iPad. I'm just kidding. >> Don't we have that screen?
>> The projector and the screen and all that. >> Yes, I was just joking that was that preserved. I mean, we do have a copy. >> We do have a copy. We do have that been shown. I mean, I I don't understand why that I know where they do it and how
to do it. You know, all of the PBS stuff that we're getting there, you know, as far as the >> And now with um reorganizing the whole museum that we'll definitely have a place to put that absolutely >> great. Would that be super >> That would be great. >> As part of the I mean, is there not
going to be an introductory video? Uh >> is that not in the plan going forward? Well, right now we the introductory video shows the underground and since you know at this point is closed that's why it was you know we are not showing it.
>> So um but we'll definitely have to do something um different you know we'll have to do another one if updating it >> update. >> Yeah. >> Welcome. I I was alerted to the fact that on YouTube there are many videos
about Southwest Florida and I happened to stumble across a number of videos about Fort Meyer Beach including one where Anita interviews Seal and >> Dan use and it's it's on YouTube. >> Mhm. There's I mean so Karine we can
talk about this. >> It seems that if you could if you could assess the quality of some of these things that are publicly available like that and put them make them annotating >> basis people can select oh I want to see this one I want to see that one. >> Well it just seems to me that even
though the underground exhibit is not currently open to show that video to show what people not right now cannot see would be hugely important. >> I think that's a good idea. I guess I just question why it's not being shown
even though it's not available to the public. >> Yeah. >> No, what I'm what I'm wondering is, you know, there would have to be a caveat that saying this shows the underground. We are currently at investigating blah blah and obsessing and whatever we're
doing. >> I wonder if we could put add to it like the Ian and the the storms beforehand. Like this is what it looked like >> currently because of then it would show the the storms and >> although not everyone wants to see that
destruction again but you know it's >> it's important for visitors probably something like that would be great. So, exactly. I think if we work Ian into the underground story, you know, >> I think Ian, Debbie, Hela, Nicole,
Milton, >> all of them. >> I mean, every time we had one, it it made the the shell mount worse, you know. So, it wasn't just Ian. I want people to know that it was >> right. It was reopened after. >> Yes, we did. We did. >> It was reopened after
Well, we will work on it. Okay. Well, what I what I do now is um with the people, I just show them the um in the book, right? Our moundhouse book, you know, right now I've been showing them the the mound and that Yeah. Give it gives them an idea. Anyway, >> and people want to hear all these
stories. I mean, yeah. >> Every every time there's at least one group that you sort of gloss over it and then they start digging and they want they want they want to know more. They want to know more. >> And Sher, you just kind of flash that book and say if you want to buy one, it's over there. Right. We do go. This is our mountainhouse book. Yes,
exactly. So, okay. Anything more on the underground? We'll move along here. Um, let's see. We have the commemorative elements and we have that's in this packet. Yes. Has everyone taken a look at the com the
um ideas for the commemorative >> when you come in. >> I think they're wonderful ideas. Yes. >> I did too. I think they're both really okay. Should we go just one by one of what what you think? Uh >> um Carrie, did you see all the ideas?
>> Yes, I did. I like I mean I like all of them. I think they were all very very nice and I think they were perfect. >> That's just my opinion. >> We have a Carolyn >> I did. I looked at all of them, but I I think the wall would fit uh and be
probably easier to put together to um just in And I think it has a a real um classic kind of design that would fit into the I really like the wall idea. I had not even thought of that, but yeah.
>> So So were there any of the the suggestions that you >> with with the walls? >> Yeah. For the wall that you >> That's what those were. >> Yeah. With just the you know the name the plaque or whatever the name and whatever the cont whatever. >> So it's it's one of these you know. >> Yeah. It's one of those.
>> Yeah. Tension cables and rails or >> or the tree. >> The tree. >> That's the options. >> Yeah. For the wall. >> So, we we have the tree for the wall and then the page before it on your handout. There's uh three separate ones that we have we can make a decision on.
>> I just think the wall would be easier to put together than the tree. >> I don't know. Both of them are great. I wouldn't object. >> Karina, do you have uh you I know you research this. Is there any preference? I know that there's one that you kind of liked that um
>> Can I just say something before Karina does? I'm sorry, Karina. I have to see your thunder. So, the tree one looks almost like what we're going to maybe do at town hall with the other tree that we had at old town hall >> with the but that and that one had all committees
>> uh recognitions on there. So just just a thought um if we want it to be the same or we want it to be different. That's still a plan is to to recreate that tree with the MURF and the Mullholland award and the volunteer awards all on there. Um so
just a just a sidebar there. >> Is that a good sidebar or a bad one? >> It's up to you. >> So Karina, do you have Yeah, J. Um, no. I think I will leave that um up to you. Okay.
>> Do we have a dedicated wall that we can use to put the tree on at this point? >> Put it on that wall. >> Yeah. Put it on that wall. And you had mentioned like in number one that each little square. >> I'll just go one two three four um
before the tree. But um that each little square has its own information and you can change it. >> Exactly. >> Correct. The the first one is a a full um graphic uh full color display where
you can put um a picture. You can do um you can put a description or whatever you know you you want. You can even add a QR code if you you know if you want to add more information you know on that person >> on that one square
>> right on that square. >> Okay. And you can add and subtract. You could you could alter the square, >> right? And the um you know in the meantime that you have that the whole wall is not filled up, you can use the
other square and you can put we can put other pictures or um you know something that can cover the whole wall. It doesn't so it doesn't look empty. >> Okay. >> And any of the others? >> Okay. So on the on this on the other one
um at the bottom it's more of a clic um design um >> it's a commercial >> it's more yeah >> but still even though there's no picture you could put some information there and again you can add a QR code if you want
to add more you know if you want to put more information or u about the the person >> just just to clarify so for example this this is the overview of what this top one would look like and then the the next images are blowups of what would be
and that. Okay. So, so that my >> I I think this is far more informational than the one below which is is logos and in the world of advertising that's what you're selling and I think this is more museum like >> okay
>> the top one >> and it's very easy to read >> which is key >> right and as far as the tree I love the tree is there we can get both >> I didn't mean to discourage you from the tree I just wanted to we're doing it here. >> I believe so >> because I think this is this is very
different than the tree. I think the tree is is a honoring people >> and this this is more like >> recognizing donors. Well, no. This one I think is not more rec it's I I see this as a way of honoring honoring what Dan
Hughes did, what Seal did, what Pat did, >> what special people did >> and not so much that they it's the outcome of what they did and just acknowledging that they were the driving force behind it >> on the tree or on this one. On the first
one. Okay. >> How many squares can you get on that brick chimney wall? Well, we have to um we'll have to send it to a company and and you know measure it and we'll go
from there. They'll design >> about Yeah. three >> and we keep calling them squares or rectangles. >> Yeah, that's true. That's true. >> My concern at this point is that we're putting the cart before the horse >> because we really have not even had a conversation yet as to who is going to
be recognized. And it is it a commemoration or is it a recognition? Two very different um >> definitions. And I think somebody just mentioned donor. Are these donors or are these volunteers? >> And if so, what is the criter criteria
for who is to be honored? Who is going to be on that list and who isn't? I think that is the more important conversation. And is this going to be something that's going to be continuing? Will there be others added to it? >> I expect there would be. That's I have that written down.
>> I think a policy is really sort of the conversation that we should be having, not the design of how it's going to be fabricated. >> I agree. I have that written down. The first one we started, how do we determine who gets recognized and who doesn't? It's very >> right. It's a slippery slope.
>> I know I know that the general rule of thumb is >> naming after someone is is sometimes really tough, especially in this climate um to determine who. You're always going to leave somebody out, you're gonna >> Exactly.
>> So, yeah, I was thinking more so and I brought up the tree because, you know, MURF does their award every year. You know, they for >> they have criteria for it. Um the Mholland award is the same thing. Um but we had used to have a volunteer award.
>> I know Jimmy Deilia from uh Bay Oaks is on it for a volunteer when he was younger. So um I I agree with you Barbara is the who >> and why and what's the criteria that we
have for recognizing somebody. Um it it's it's a tough one that I think that's going to be a big discussion. >> So the mo more important discussion than what we're having right now. Oh yeah, by far definitely on what is is that
something that we could >> I was into right with um it could be but it also could be an annual >> it's >> I don't >> I mean I think I see what you're saying recognition and the advisory board votes on it. Yes.
I mean, does that go back retrospectively to, you know, Martha Seagull George, for example, who was, you know, the town manager at that time? Now, she's staffed. She wasn't a volunteer. Is she not going to be recognized because she was the leading force behind getting the moundhouse
uh in the hands of the town. So, you know how they build and this is just an idea how when they build a >> a new building like a new town hall sometimes or a new city hall they'll I don't even know if this is a good thing to say. They'll put up a plaque of who helped the founders the school board
members at the time the building voted on. >> So maybe that's a way to put that recognize that somewhere and then we go forward with uh some kind of impact award or I don't know about donations. I mean, we will we are working still on that donation policy. We just talked
about it again today. >> Will vote on that. >> Yeah. But I think we could look at we could look at the MURF or the Mholland and just say what's the criteria for them. >> Like what what >> I mean it doesn't have to be that criteria necessarily because I don't think that's
>> I don't know that that's a town criteria or a a committee criteria. But >> I mean I I don't know. It's up to you. I'm sorry. Sorry, I don't mean to keep butting in. This is your board and you decide. But as a staff, I would I would maybe
suggest that that we do uh >> you know who got this thing started >> and then go from there. who had one point when Teresa was our museum director that there was a founders recognition plaque or something
which listed like Anita Sarita and I believe it was seal about when that actually did happen 20 30 years ago and so that would I don't know if she still has that text but it was completely you
know um lined up in terms of who you know who, what, where, and when, and it was on a plaque, I think in narrative form and the people involved. Uh, but I was for the mouse. >> Yeah. No, for the mount, but it was never it was never printed on signage and put up. Okay.
>> But it was it was uh developed. >> It's almost like a timeline of this is like, okay, so Bill Grace got the start of and then I mean that's the way I >> have. Exactly. >> However, isn't that already captured? Well, and where is that captured >> on on the signage?
>> In the observation signage >> observation room. Correct. >> I mean, I'm just just throwing it out. I'm not trying to be devil's advocate, but I think that's already >> it's in I think it's in the book. Pet's book, >> but I think it's on the the the uh what do you call it? >> And the entrance signage. Isn't that where it is?
>> No, I think it's in the observation room on those timeline boards. >> Okay. >> It talks about >> same idea. >> You know those >> does it go into detail on the mountain? I don't think it goes in detail on the mountain. >> It talk doesn't it talk about um >> talks about the cases and how that goes.
But I think Bill's on there. >> I don't think Anita was mentioned. >> No, no, I understand. I just >> and Nita and Marsha come in on the purchase after it's gone through the number of private owners and finally the longs.
>> And Dan Hughes was part of that, >> right? >> And Dan Hughes. Well, then Bill Grace was the one that found the real estate ad and called somebody to get >> You got the right. There's a lot. >> But Anita and um um um
>> Martha Mara >> uh were the ones that pushed it through and also the ones that wrote Marsha and John Gizard wrote the >> grant >> to enable it. So reviewed those. So that's I mean that's >> Yeah.
>> And the the um I think the uh there was another town council member Simmons >> Ted Simons >> was very instrumental in >> Yes. He Right. Yeah. He was one of the initial ones. So it would be whoever had
I think an impact a great impact on the moundhouse >> and >> the founding of the Mountain House. founding of the house >> and that's all captured in here. So the question is how visual display of what all the work that and that Pat and and Carolyn did.
>> There you go. Another marketing by the book >> investigate some you know to think about some of the issues and come back with a potential working recommendation to begin with and and obviously it's a working >> project and it's going to change.
>> Good to get something to start from. So, >> I agree. I'll all on my part Karina, can you write this down? Remind me. Um is to get the already established criteria for some of the committees. >> Oh, that's great. >> And uh I'll send that out so you guys you all can review it. >> That'd be great.
>> And I'd like to talk about that at the strategic planning. >> Yeah, I think I think that that will I think that will come in. Yeah. So, the homework is everybody reads Pat's book again, >> right? Because if you don't have it, buy it time ago. >> Everyone should have their copy at least one. >> Did you say yes? And if you don't have
it, get another one. >> Get another one. >> Buy a couple. >> And just for my two cents, I agree with uh Ellen with regard to the signage as opposed to the tree. Just personal preference. >> Mhm. And we'll keep those in mind. >> I want seashells instead of tree leaves.
>> I like the tree. >> Well, and shell mound. >> I like them both. >> I do too. Well, >> so and and again too, you also Hey everybody. Whoa. Um,
>> you also have donors. >> I mean, you can't just disregard how do you deal with donors? People that come and say, "Oh, you know, um, I want to give you >> Becky has a great idea." >> But that's something that we need to deal with, too. Not just who has >> Since we're talking about donors, we are
as a town establishing a better donation policy. Right now, it just is like we'll take >> hold it everybody. >> Yeah. And we we are establishing a donation policy now. So, we'll have to see what retroactively that means >> um as far as donors, but I think we need
to also be careful cuz uh somebody that donates a million dollars. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> I'm not I'm not nobody in my mind, but they might not not have been a great person that we want to promote. >> Yep. So, those are all things. So, let's
um think about all this. And >> Barbara and I collaborated. >> We're doing a shell mound. The mound and then shells underneath with people's names on them or whatever. Whatever. And if you can, you know, if you're more associated with the house, you could put
little windows or chimneys, I don't know. But instead of a tree, I really Yeah. Instead of a tree, where's shells? >> Well, that's a good idea. >> And we'll Okay. for >> how how about if we will discuss that
then at our strategic meeting because otherwise everyone be thinking about this and then also be thinking about what um Karina has put forth too as far as display. So that's >> um moving on.
Where did my loop road loop road? >> It's in there. >> Thank you. It's in here. >> Yes. get so many things going here. Okay, moving on to the loop road. I believe we have a sign in progress. Is that true? >> That's correct.
>> And um we I already contacted the original designer for all the ground signs and um and and she's she's working on that. >> Is that Megan? >> No, no, Megan was the artist. um that it
um is Patty um I forgot how to say. >> Okay. >> But um she's the the one who designed the signs. >> The sign itself. Okay. Great. >> Yeah. >> Great. >> And then the sign is going to match the other other signs.
>> The Yes. And um did we decide what it's going to say and where it's going to go? >> Uh we just decided what's was going to say it's just an and no. Yeah. an and Dan Hughes loop. >> Yes. And and the family signed off on on that. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> And that's why it was on the resolution >> and um and we have not decided on where yet. >> Okay. So, you need to do that. >> Yeah. I mean, does anyone have any idea on where we'd like to place that sign?
>> And and here loop road. >> I you come all the way down to the end of the road and there's the gate and it should be right inside the gate. Mhm. That's what I >> Because it's a one way. That's true. That's true. >> Absolutely. >> You want to uh very simple.
>> I would like to make a motion that that sign gets placed um right inside the gate where it can be seen and not run over by cars. >> You like it in front of the gate or right outside the gate? >> Inside the gate or right on the ground and it's
>> just outside the ground. So if people drive down, you can reference like take a left at Dan Hughes Loop >> Street. Is there enough room in there? >> I mean, right before or right after the gate, depending on what
>> what the appropriate where the visibility is best. >> And on what side of the street? >> On the right side of the street. >> Right hand side. >> Okay. >> On the Yeah. Okay. >> Well, we're on the left hand side of the street, though. >> We have >> Yeah. >> No, I mean it would be on the loop road,
on the Shell Road. It would have to be just It has to be on our property, I think. >> Except Yeah. >> Well, there is the right of way there. >> Yeah, we have the right of way at the street, right? >> All right. >> You want to rephrase want to rephrase your >> I would like to make a motion to put
that we put the sign either right before the gate or right after the gate on the base side of the Shell Road uh depending on the best place for visibility. >> Okay. >> And I'll second that. >> Second. >> Okay. Second. And there is. >> And all in favor? >> I
>> I Okay, the motion passes. >> Yay. There's not a problem digging down there, is there? I don't think there's any shell mound there at all. >> I mean, we'll make sure, but >> now we're going >> on the the water side. >> On the water side. Yes, probably.
>> All right. Mount House of Landscaping. I know that we have preparations for that. >> Yes. And we're we're still working um with uh All Native to schedule them to come over and start the the work. I
don't have a um a date yet. >> You have a what? >> A date. >> Wait for the rainy season. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Um how about a budget? >> We will be using uh TDC. >> TDC is going to fund. Yes. >> Oh, that's great.
>> Yeah, we have a line item with TDC that it's landscaping and >> and irrigation, I believe. And we're going to do natives. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And were we not going to use the original landscape plan as the um blueprint? >> Yes, that's correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. Everyone,
>> will there be anything in the scientific and and medicinal garden thing or is it all native? >> What do you want to plant there? Medicinal. >> What? >> Nothing. I'm kidding. >> There was a scientific and re scientific and research I think. >> Yes. We there.
>> Excellent. Okay. Somewhere. All right. So, that's in the works. >> Part of it or No, >> it it is part of it. >> Oh, okay. Even though it's not native. >> Correct. Okay. >> The scientific and then the historic meadow and the early >> past plantings. We're going to plant
pineapple again. >> Well, the problem is that we don't have irrigation right now. So, we'll kind of >> Yeah. The bananas. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we're still working on it. Didn't we also mention that maybe the
garden club would be interested in helping us or >> would we are we covered with landscapers? >> Um I would caution you know if I land stick to landscape plan. >> Yeah I would stick with the landscape they can help but not dictate where
plants go. >> Right. Right. >> All right. >> Okay. >> All right. Any more comments on landscaping? If not we will move on to members reports. Um Carolyn, >> I
have nothing to report but I am really happy to see the progress that we made as a committee and moving on to consider some really important issues that we've been hoping to deal with for a while. >> Okay, good
lord. >> Boy, I sure second that. And uh that's really all I've got to say, too. Oh yeah, Ellen, >> I will I will echo what Carolyn has said and I think I've spoken enough.
>> Um well, this Sherry Smith um as you know um my mom passed away around Christmas, so I will not be here in May and June because I need to go up and take care of a lot of uh the memorial and things like that. So, I'm just
wondering if as far as meetings go, um it's something that we're going to bring up if we want to meet monthly like we have been meeting monthly. Do we want to meet quarterly? Uh do we want to take a break in the summer? It's just something
I want you to think about. Um >> Well, you have a vice president, you >> Yes, I do. And I well I checked with with um Ellen and she'll be here in in May. So May is covered. >> Yeah. I mean I I think that we've got a
lot on the agenda. I don't want to not meet every month. >> Okay. So monthly is is agreeable with everyone. >> I think so. Okay. I agree. >> Yeah. And just just to be just for clarity, we don't >> you don't have to meet every month, but if that's what you all decide, that's what you but there is nothing in the the
charter that says we have to meet every month. Just to your your point, but >> it's up to you. you all as a board. >> Yeah, we used to meet I think quarterly and that never seemed like quite enough. >> One time we met weekly >> actually. Yeah, we did. We did. We did without.
>> So I think monthly too, but I do not see anything wrong with taking a break in the summer. >> Doesn't council take off in July? >> Mhm. >> So if we followed that model, take off July. >> Yeah. Typically July and >> part of August December we take off. >> Yeah.
>> So we already do take two months off, >> right? So I think if we stick with that schedule >> September >> December >> December December okay >> yeah so >> July and December. >> So is that agreeable with everybody with our schedules? >> Excellent.
>> So are we the third or the fourth >> fourth your mic's up >> fourth meetings you mean? Yeah we're we're always the fourth Thursday of the month. So, and and we have moved it to
3:00 or 1:00, I mean: >> So, it seems like that's agreeable with everyone. So, okay. And that's basically all I have to say. And Ellen is going to be here to cover for me when I am gone. And uh so, okay. And thank you. Yeah.
>> Just just a second. Just wanted to confirm the dates in um July and December. No, no, there will be no meeting. >> Okay. >> The next meeting will be >> in May. >> April 23rd. >> April 23rd. >> Yeah. I'll be here for that one.
>> May 28th. >> Yeah. >> July 20. June 28th. >> June. It will be the June and July. Probably >> the fourth. Okay. >> And then do we have >> And we don't have to meet July. >> Yeah. I'll be back. Yeah. >> Okay. And we don't meet in July. >> Okay. >> So,
>> can we cl just clarify again just so we have it right? uh the agenda items for next meeting >> only the strategic plan if I'm just making sure that >> um what if there's something that comes up that really needs to be taken care of then add that but not
>> you can bring it up as items for discussion we'll still have that on the agenda we'll still we'll still have public comment all those things >> Barbara did you have anything >> I do not thank you very much for asking >> nor I except ditto everything everybody Good.
>> Karina, >> I'm good. >> You're good. And thank you, Jeff. It's good having you here. We need your reassurance. And >> yeah, generally I'm trying to give Karina the full reigns, but the last meeting kind of got a little
contentious, so I wanted to be here. So, >> yeah. Yep. So, um, if there are no other questions, um, the meeting is adjourned. Okay. And it is 2:28. >> Wow. Well done. >> Not bad.
>> Good. >> Not bad. >> I know. What kind of