no no can I not have a meeting then we can't have a meeting without for is Ron calling in who are we missing what do you have to have majority right well it has to be a quum right what's all right good morning uh we're going to
start the Public Safety Committee meeting for February 20th uh call to order due the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the for which it stands one nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all uh roll call Todd capella Kieran Ferell Don Thomas Jim nichel Thomas yazo for Myers Beach operations compliance uh any public comment no uh
approval of the minutes from January um I'm going to make one change there's a a members pres we they had delete Jim's name because you were excused yes I was excused yep um but other than that other than that motion to approve you want a second second all
right minutes are passed staff reports um Lieutenant Chitwood good morning Lieutenant Chitwood Lee County Sheriff's Office I don't really have anything to report but I can answer any questions that you got guys may have I'm sure
there's maybe a couple I can try to take a stab at I think we I mean they we could go on for an hour about the traffic and all that stuff but we already know you guys are working on it so I'd like to focus on the bike thing for today and let's just get through
that that way we can get some some because we're not going to solve it and they we're trying new things on on the North End so we'll come back to that I don't have anything then I do have one question quick do we know because they're cruising on the
oval about that they uh fot is doing when is that supposed to be done F do whole project yeah the last meeting I was in they were looking by the end of May is kind of what they that's what I was thinking okay that's all I just wanted to know because it's moving along and because I'm noticing
and that you know that's ending there not being some type of setback or emergency but sure they did address as our last meeting we talked about the sidewalk yeah that that was addressed very quickly for us they did very yeah they did that really stepped up yeah because all the sidewalks are going up
so it's nice okay I don't have anything uh well I guess the only question I have is the the light at Time Square old San Carlos and is that Fifth Street at that point or is it Estero no it's old San caros
and North esto North Estero still Fifth Street right before yes okay um I mean I just I went through there yesterday afternoon there are two people trying to direct traffic which doesn't seem like a
good idea because they weren't that well in sync one told me to stop one told me to go um I think they're in the growing pains right now they just started ramping up all the stuff don't you agree so that is a new company that was hired uh for that space um and they are in
training to be very honest with you we hired an outside company that does traffic control stuff uh they're trying to figure out some intersection work so yes they're out there it's a learning process I did some basic training for them uh they're going to have to figure it out now is the time for that to
happen as we're do that's why you see them come in earlier so it's a oneperson job in some respect but you need a second person for a safety backup to at least pay attention to pedestrians it's not an easy intersection to take care of I know everybody has their expectations
and everybody has their opinions to it but I've been involved with traffic control uh for many many years and so is vinta Chitwood and you can you can have the best person in the
world out there but when you're having 500 people roll into an intersection between pedestrians and vehicles within a half hour time frame it's not that easy to control that so it's going to be a growing paint so yes I understand it wasn't perfect but we're going to give us some time and we will get better at
it and have we picked a decade of when the lights going to get fixed I have no clue about that that's that's going to be a county thing I know we we have an ISS we own it but that's Le dot this particularly and I know we've been working hard with them to try to get that up and squared away I don't know if
you have more information on that l no I don't I got a quick question for lieutenant then we can cut him loose because you're busy can you speak to since we we talking about ebikes can you speak to any incidents you've had in the last month or two maybe bike versus pedestrian bike versus car ebike versus
anyone none that have ra none that have come up to this level and we've gotten I don't think we've gotten any complaints the mainly what we get are questions that come to our that come to our office asking can we do the ebikes on the sidewalk or not because obviously there's a difference between when you're
on the county and then you approach you go over the bridge and then to the island so um our main the main thing we get is questions on Where they can be on the sidewalk and not okay and but we haven't had any incidents that have been brought to my attention as a big issue I
know that's one of the things that we're constantly directing our guys to be looking for not only bikes on ebikes and the sidewalks but other vehicles as well okay so that's one of the things that they're being directed to focus on and of course it's going to happen but right you know we're going to catch them where we can and they've been they've been
directed to make sure they're aware of the the statutes and are enforcing them okay so well we'll great all right well thank you very much all right thank you thanks for being here thank you okay uh next this is what we're going to focus on today finalize our official
recommendation for the ebikes on the sidewalk and the beach travel for Town Council and then when we decide today and I think we've already cashed a lot of this out so I think it's just writing a formal recommendation then I'll write it up and then I'll go present it to the March 3rd Town council meeting
so I'll just start and then we can go down but this is what I would like to see happen I would like us to well I've got two things I think um we need to make a better a more
clear path and communication for people to say if you're riding on the sidewalk you need to ride with traffic is number one and um I guess I don't my recommendation is ebikes on the sidewalk the way we that
they've talked about without um you know you know using your Common Sense pedal and not going 60 mes you know 30 miles an hour on the sidewalk but there's a you know you know less than 10 miles an hour on the sidewalk I don't know but that's what we can discuss but what I'd
like to do is take each sidewalk on either side and from Time Square down to Red Coconut I'd like to do a line down the middle on each side and have one that has a little pedestrian walking on one side and the other one has the bike
with the arrow going with it and then we make it known you need to go with the flow of traffic and see if that would eliminate it that's number one the second thing I'd like to propose is um and I don't have the piece of paper
because I couldn't find where I put it but um Lieutenant worth had that sidewalk that he had uh drawing and what I call him oh yeah right here I don't know what I just called them sorry Chief but this I think this is a fantastic
idea and I'll pass that down where we do a railing now I don't think we need the railing all the way down I think we do the railing from maybe Time Time Square I'm not sure to where
um I'm trying to think of what was there where where Hooters was whatever that street is I can't think of the name just past L Kai let's say Street ice Street okay there where we do a railing and we take off some of that sidewalk this is
the other option and you drop it and it becomes a bike lane in the street but then we do have to get those I'm going to call them safety Nubs I don't know what you call them that are in the ground similar on the north on the south and when you're going through construction if you go into the other lane you hit those things and it makes
noise yes a rumble strip down there so if the car knows that it's a lane um I think that would eliminate people walking in the middle of the road because that's where we have the most infractions I'm going to call it that in the heart of up north they're coming they're just crossing nilly Willy
wherever they can and we'd have a bike lane there that's the other those are the two options but I think the this is the path I mean the railing version is a lot more work to get past and a lot more
money the temporary solution would be the lines on the sidewalk and something we could do plus I think if you put up some signs that if you're going to have some rules you know uh for the bikes to follow and periodically along the way bikes must go with the flow of traffic
flow traffic no less no more than 10 miles hour no more than 10 miles an hour on the sidewalk or whatever the yeah yeah um Follow by follow markings on sidewalk I mean just simple little instructions I I I think you know oh another thing is okay my third thing
then I also think at some point where we used to have no riding your bike in Time Square I think at some point when we get to the highly congested area such as um in front of Lonnie Kai in front of Margaritaville definitely on both sides of the street there should not be you
should not be allowed to ride your side bike in front of on that sidewalk there there's too many people walking around and there's just a big again a big circle with a line no bike riding and again bikes must be walked from this point to this point or something or you
get in the street are you are you R in the street yeah it's going to say you have to be a little bit careful the the old unintended consequences because there's a lot of people are not going to want to get off and well they they have to now then they get into traffic but now they're going 10 miles an hour in traffic and and now you've messed up
traffic well here's the thing well but it's usually stand still up there anyway I mean even during the day you're not they're not flying they're going slow I live there so it it's a very slow go they could get on the side of traffic and there's enough room up there to pass on the right for a bike lane a small one
like we were doing this but right now they're getting off their bikes anyway there's not enough room for five six people walking in a group and a bike rider there's just not room so it's just too congested and i' I've witnessed it over and over again and the biker then
stops their bike has to get off or waits for the people to pass it it just there's not enough room how wide is the sidewalk on either side right now I think we have 8ot sidewalks on each side okay and we have 8ot sidewalks which is asinine I'm sorry down the entire Island
we don't need that wide we could have you know at some point they could have been minimized I don't know that they're 8 foot but we have to we'd have to check that they're still very wide they're wide and then if you once you hit on the south end where the bike lane is you've got that small patch of grass which is
we're going to have to manage and maintain which is kind of stupid um it's supposed to look pretty yeah well it doesn't I don't know I looked at it yesterday it's hideous so okay that's my recommendation so up for discussion
other ideas I'm just start talking well Todd you're a bike rider so you can put your two cents in because and so are you Karen yeah definitely I mean that is best thing I've seen in 10 years
um but you know that's probably years in the future to get that far that's that's a big deal uh I definitely agree with at least starting with markings on the
sidewalks I would actually say the sidewalks are about six feet no no they're they're definitely 8 feet 100% yeah they're more than six but probably close to 10 I think somewhere on somewhere on SE grape
they're they're closer to 10 so um my my only thought was I don't think I would split even I would split off the and the question would be the inner or the outer three feet for a bike
path and and save more of it for pedestrians because there are more there are a lot more pedestrians than there are and the pedestrians can go either way exactly so you they've got to be able to get by whereas all the bikes should be going with traffic yep so you only need the width of one bike maybe 3
feet okay I I I don't know we I mean it it would take confirming the width of the sidewalks and but it seems like 3T is probably enough the only problem you'd have is passing the bike in front of you perhaps but that's a limited issue well I do think if people see it's
a shared sidewalk then you eliminate a lot of the anger and the hey why are you on the sidewalk they they know it's that they're allowed so if a bike is coming oh I need to be on this side or vice versa there's a pedestrian I need to
make sure I'm over here um and I can go measure I'll go measure the sidewalks today but you know by we can you know 30% can be for the bike so 3 feet and if 5T for The Pedestrian we could do that um I am more than happy to propose this
as well as our first option I just don't know how much this kind of thing costs and it's fairly expensive because you would have to so the the thought Pro process behind that from the chief was that at some some point or another stero is going to have
to be redone after all these storms I know they put a ton of work into it Le do did they did an amazing job trying to get some stuff in there for drainage but it's coming apart after all these storms so I'm assuming there's probably going to be half and I think that's what the chief's thought was okay they're going
to have to do some work there anyway so your recommendation as to putting some of that into place redo is I think what the goal was when he and I talked about it so we could add this in as
a this is our first solution the second solution then once if we feel that they're going to have to redo a stereo Boulevard at that point we would like to recommend this to be put in there where will make the sidwalk smaller and add a strip for the bike all the way up North
with rumble strips next to it so it protects them because that's one of the comments we get from people they don't want to ride in the street they're very nervous um I hear this same thing really the whole length of the island the the rumble strips on the edge I not a day
goes by I don't follow a car up and down the island that doesn't go out around goes straight through the the bump outs and everything and and yes a lot of people don't want to use the bike lanes because they're even not the even not the bump
outs and things for the buses yeah people just wander their way around throwing rumble strips the whole way down the island on both sides I think would go a long ways towards getting people off the sidewalks throughout the island and and into the
bike lane as long as they felt the bike lane was a little bit better protected just to add to your conversation real fast I apologize um over the weekend we had a bicycle accident on the sidewalk uh it was one of the rented
ebikes person was injured uh was taken to the hospital via ambulance through the FD we did not do field sobriety tests nothing like that there lcso was not called because no one else was injured other than the rider of the bike and it
was self inflicted okay so um but that's something you should be conscious of when you do your recommendation is possibly again reaching back out to the rental companies and you know letting people know that if driving one of these
ebikes and you're inebriated then ah there's an issue with that so it's something to pay attention to don't drink and ride yeah it would seem OB what I was going to say the last time we talked to uh to them about putting those markers all the
way down the road they alluded to the fact that that would not pass o do or F regulation they have them in Miami Jim I me I don't understand I didn't understand the answer either maybe it's because it's a state route uh versus uh
a County Road versus a Municipal Road I think a Municipal Road can do anything at once uh the county I think could probably do just about anything at once but the state is going to have you know the book and the book says so I hope that I hope that's not an issue because
I like the idea that you guys are talking about and I think it would I think it would go a long way towards getting people feeling safer in the bike plane I mean Miami even has um we were just over there and they've even got little baby metal poles that divide up
so I mean you're not going in that bike lane you've got people are you know scootering and stuff they feel safe because they're I mean if car goes they're hitting a major Pole to crack into them yeah I well this is a so should our
recommendation just be that that we investigate what can be put in I think recommendation which is I think the the immediate recommendation is recension of the the ordinance okay if we can do that
because when we get down I don't want to get too far into the weeds here because then we get bogged down but the simple fact of the matter is that Lee County owns the road and the sidewalks right so anything we're talking about doing to the road or the sidewalks is going to
need lead dot approval anyway right so we're kind of we're spinning our wheels in the mud here because whatever we recommend well we're making a recommendation Town counc we're doing Town counc Council has the influence with to go okay yeah that's what we're doing and they can do yeah so number one
is we're our recommendation is you're all we're allowing ebikes on the sidewalk one and regular bikes two we want to have the sidewalk marked um from Time Square down to Red Coconut space where there is no bike
lane this is phase one and uh where we show that the pathway of um the bike needs to go with traffic and showing Walkers you know they're living together recommendation third part is three feet is needed for the line for
the bike five the bigger part of the anago measure today the Russ of space for Walkers signage every once in a while just to say you know go with bikes going with a flow of traffic and it's some
point I do think we should say no bikes uh riding on the sidewalk at literally starting at Margaritaville I think you have to you have to be in the street I think we like you even have a like a little sign that goes into the that shows you you have to merge to go in the street if you want to keep riding
otherwise you have to walk your bike and we just have a big thing like that because there's not enough room for that many people crossing and everything like that same with from Margaritaville up to Times Square those sidewalks they're too congested for a biker to walk in there and you couldn't ride up there anyway
you may may in the morning when nobody's out that's when you can do it but I think we put that on we put on that we go talk to all the biking companies and we have um they need to provide a sheet with everybody to say these are our town
rules so that you need to follow them when you're on a bike and then we say and phase two is we when if Lee County we'd like to be notified when Lee County is going to come back to redo the road due to all these storms because then we we are going to do a
second um recommendation where we would make the sidewalk smaller and have a true bike lane all the way up the island with a rail so that people do you know go to the um crosswalks and maybe we can even make that bigger enough for a golf cart lane
or Rickshaw that we'd have North Brown that's my idea he's smiling I know Tom want to kill me right now you have no idea how hard that I'm totally I'm totally getting this golf cart lane done I don't know how but I have an idea but anyway what so are we good with those
three things I agree with that sounds good to me just a couple of details okay the bike portion of the sidewalk versus The Pedestrian portion of the sidewalk mhm bikes on the side closest to the
street or bikes in the back I was going to ask you so I think bikes should be by the street M what do you think I so the only issue to that is that people are going to be crossing the street at some point or another exactly so then they're going to have to cross
into the bike lane before they end up Crossing traffic as well so I think I's face having the bikes closer to traffic makes more sense but if you're looking at a safety issue with people traveling even at 10 miles per hour uh coming up on you know again like if they're
standing there waiting to cross the street then the bike goes around yeah so I think you on the it beho you to try to move them away from the street also there's all these driveway entrances in the bikes they want to avoid those driveway entrances because they're a dip
where pedestrian deal so we'll do marking we'll do bike on pedestrian Lane to the street pedestrian Lane towards the street okay and make it larger than the bike lane yeah and they're going and the bikes are going to encroach on The Pedestrian line sometimes I mean let's just get real it's going to The
Pedestrian pedest ped I think the biggest thing is when a bike comes out there's not this you know people they say you know honk your horn do all this stuff but the the Walkers wouldn't move because they're like this is our sidewalk type of attitude so I
think this just lets them know no this is a shared sidewalk I got to be honest most if you sit and watch a startling percentage of people have the ear buds
in mhm and you can yell you can ding your bell you can do anything you want they can't hear you right they're blaring away lead Zeppelin if we're lucky uh let's see marketing materials and what we're really trying to do
anyhow is get some kind of voluntary compliance and if you provide people with the information that enables them to Pro to do voluntary compliance you're going to get about 90 plus% of people right doing it for you uh and then the other people you just have to deal with
I mean the world's made up of the 90 and the 10 okay just just for clarity uh it may behoove you to create a small map on the areas that you want to designate as areas that are that you're asking people to not drive on if you're going to
present this to the council because I think that gives Clarity okay might even be worth looking at and I I know a couple of months ago I think somebody said something about if we want bikes we need to get bike racks and stuff out there maybe if we can find some space
for a pretty healthy Bank of bike racks coming up from the souths side wherever you know at at uh wherever we you know just before Lon Kai or something you've got a pretty good Bank of those that means people just ride
that far stop drop off the bikes and then the rest of it is pedestrian I don't know what property chances there are around there we could take over the illegal parking lot so that's down pretty far okay I mean that's that's
where Hooters was you're really not you're not that far at that point you're all right so I'm going to read over this make sure I don't forget but just a a thought would be to look for the chance to put some some bike racks in
that all right so here's I'm going to go through them all just make sure I don't forget anything okay uh no this is a no particular I'm moving around but resend the ordinance of no ebikes on the sidewalk that's the first thing to that's what we're recommending we're
recommending um a joint sidewalk between bikes and pedestrians that have markings that um show the bike going with the flow of
traffic and the loer we have the markings will be 30% will be for the bike and then the stripe and then five uh 50 or 70% will be for the Walker so it'll be a little
bigger we'll have the Walker look around there I don't know what you're basically saying there to people is if you want to park your bike and walk from here you're good to go you could you could do that and then come back walk back and grab your bike yes then ride home yeah okay
we go did I forget anything you said some something in there about mandatory walking the bike what like between Primo like between primo and Times Square list areas and that's going to require a signage that says yeah no riding no bike
riding no bike riding similar to what we had in Time Square yeah riding on sidewalk here and in the future what con considering everything has to be built up anyways be a great
chance for somebody to get their variance they want some variance or another they put Bike R under they donate their space underneath for bike that idea that happens to be in just the right spot just this side of Lon Kai because the closer you can get to the
true pedestrian area people just ride up from the south end Park the bike and then walk around town all day come back hop on the bike and head back be a great way for public benefit for because we are not going to want sidewalks on the I call it the oval about because it's not a
roundabout but we're not going to want bikes shooting through there on those pedestrian ways so we want to make sure bikes are walked right there as well because that will be you got to be on the road then at that point and this whole concept of putting bike racks and encouraging people to
walk up to Time Square and downtown I think that could work as long as if people were aware that was an option m because the bike almost becomes a liability when you're get down in that area you know what am I going to do with this thing I'm going to stop here and got bik to eat but I got to tie it to a
tree or right I mean even if you you go back in the the post office property or something I mean you're right there you know you're you're that close to the downtown area there be any would there be any chance for cooperation from
from like um Lanai or they got parking lot on the you know there's some spaces over there on the on the bay side of the road I maybe there's enough room in that public the Margaritaville parking lot where the cars are maybe there's something there I don't know we'll have to we'll have to ask around there might
be some space I have a question this was yours right you had this one yes I think I have one at home I want to get another copy of this we'll make a copy before we leave because I'm going to present this when we're there yeah as I agree like we want to put this on the docket that as soon as you know this road is getting
fixed we want to put in for this some kind of consideration consideration there and then I do want to put in um because I have looked there is some spaces where you have Landscaping like in on the let's call it the business area that there is enough room we could
have possibly a golf cart lane the bike and the golf cart they would share so it's an electronic Lane let's call that that you'd have it on a stair that we might be able to make that sidewalk smaller and then take the room which then again that if you were on the
island and you wanted to come north so it would be more you know you're here on the island traveling it wouldn't be you know for workers or things like that but it would benefit the residents who are saying they have a hard time going up north okay anything else all right uh anybody
make a motion approve do I have to have motion to approve this or do I just I just go in I don't know I think that you've come to the conclusion what you're come to the conclusion that's what we're gonna do I don't know if we vote on it but I will write that up and then I will plan on going on March 3rd I'll make a motion that you present this
information to council as a recommendation from from the uh Public Safety department well second that all right motion approved all in favor I okay done with that yeah um any member items or
reports my only thing is I would really like to see how do we start going down the road of trying to get trying to activate that park and ride behind Walmart the Pine
Ridge parking Rod meaning that Center we've got to do something with that center lane oh and I have another one before we get that I have another one that tram has got to go how do we get rid of the tram I mean
I mean do we have to go to Lee County and go have to talk to them so do we have have to request that the Town Council do that or can we do that no you guys you to go through the Town Council you're going to have to make a recommendation I think the tra I'm with you I think it's worthless it's useless there's never more than six people on it
it goes it holds up all the traffic it holds up all the traffic in the side that's already moving because it only goes 11 miles hour and I've clocked it a thousand times it it serves no purpose can I ask why I know they brought it
up why are people adverse to something on the beach like a hay rack ride like you were talking about that goes goes the 11 miles an hour because so it's still going slow but you'd hop on you'd actually pay you could pay or whatever
and they it start and it go up to Time Square and back it's not you know moving fast we've got buggies on the beach anyway that are Town oriented it would be faster than sitting in traffic You' be the view of the gulf you're not going to injure anyone one because you'll see
it coming it's going fairly slow and we'd have little signage in there saying you know Beach Trolley um we could start it after Turtle season so it would eliminate the turtle issue because that's when we really do need this is during High season and so it's off seon
and it would eliminate the trolley on the street and so there are residents and guests on the south end would know there's a trolley stop at maybe four five places and that's it it just goes up and you can make it up the beach in
30 minutes which is not that's doable to me that's it takes 20 to go up normally anyway when you're going 20 and you're because the speed limit is 25 to 30 why won't why what's I know that you had that idea so this is riding on the
on the sand yeah like a hay rack ride right so it would be um away away from where they've put the the you know the yeah Mounds there yeah almost like almost like think of it the size of like
one of the um the beach patrols like a little bigger of a dune buggy pulling two like two tram carts kind of like what you see or one tram cart or like an oversized something like that where you could jump on well it's going
to have to slow down and stop and let you on if you wave them down yeah it could it still eliminates it still eliminates it gives U residents and guests an opportunity to get to the North End to get to other places Mid Island um I would start it at Newton
park or Newton Park you've already got parking right there that whole thing is doing nothing right why why that's a great idea why Tom why so my recommendation to you is to try to get the environmental manager for the town of for Myers Beach in okay have a discussion with you okay to give you a
positive negative to that who is the Environmental manager Chad chips I'm going to go meet with Chad so I would talk to Chad about some of the some of the possible negatives to it okay um because there were some or you don't know I I'm going to say that
the turtle is the turtle time is going to be the biggest there's also bird sanctuary space there's also making sure that we don't create an issue with erosion to any vegetation that we're putting in and you know when it gets busy on the street it's busy on the beach as well so you're going have to be
able to accommodate and you'll notice that the Ranger buggies and our PW buggies they're not just not a straight line they they they got to weave in and out sometimes of people out there so there has to be some thought put to that for the safety side sure I know the
mayor was already talking about this and he's he's pretty strong about it so I would have more conversation with him okay because I know he has some ideas that he would like to to because I think there's some solutions that could happen and even like we talked about that rolling mat that you could roll up once
Turtle season starts s you know it goes on it would it would help with the beach erosion then so now they're not digging into the beach and they could pull it it's it's similar to when you go down to Naples they have all these the m the m yeah the M Ms yeah but like in Naples they have little um retirees driving 15
person golf carts and you might have to wait for your golf cart but they're just going up and down up and down and you hop on and you jump off and the thing is you really don't need it during the day we need it to it needs to start I mean I know they do have it but it seems like
our traffic issues start at you know later but maybe you do do it all day for people who want to come up they don't but anyway I you got to get them up in the morning and home at night yeah I mean that's you got to think about getting them up in the getting from the south end to the North End in the morning and then getting them
back at the end of the day well and that's the other thing is like at if it ends at a certain time um there is usually no problem going south you can get south from the north end it's there's I I do it all the time
so it's it's just coming north so you could have some kind of I don't want to say trolley but something like that that's going that's your southbound it's north on the beach South Down the Road North up the beach South down the road well you know the golf the big golf cart thing could work very effectively well
you go you you could move 10 or 10 people in now easily uh at a time if if you had two or three of those on the M mats going north and then come down the stero and they're going 25 that's just a continual Loop yeah on the other hand if you're going to put M mats out there why
not just let ebikes well that'll be enough that's a whole another thing so let's that we're trying to eliminate what what's the difference there is sand is death to an ebike yeah well we're not we're not going we're not bringing that up today that is not our thing for today for ebikes we're going to keep the ebike
thing here ebikes not on the beach we're just going to keep regular bikes so this is what we do for our sidewalk but I just I'm trying to think of a way to that everybody's complaining about this traffic well we can come up with some solutions possibly that are are not that
hard without traffic you know uh was it Monday night or Tuesday night I think it was Monday was probably 5:30 or so pushing 6 o'cl when I went home traffic was backed up to literally just past the new town
hall it was that far it was two and half hours and half miles that's that's literally over a thousand cars but I have to tell you literally if you do the math that's over a thousand cars they are moving them off
the island I am I'm up there so I get off on palmo they are moving I don't understand it's got to be all the workers are coming off from these side streets and all the things and they're they're letting them in and so they're St the people are sitting in
their car for 15 20 minutes at a time with no movement but honestly i' I've watched I was uh we were had a thing at a Women's Club event at rud shrimp and people were calling saying we're in stanel traffic we haven't moved in 20 minutes and I'm watching I I'm literally watching the
cars move in front so they're getting them off the island I think the dumping in of all these these worker cars and that would be an interesting thing to ask how many permits for workers for homes
were in the system here prior to Ian and now you've got one home has 10 contractors there and they've each got their own truck we didn't have that we've got you know that's where the to show the proof is just like we've got
more workers on here than we've ever SE than we've ever had and none of them live in Naples most of them are living in Cape Coral and up and Lehigh and up North so no they don't go to long way around they go North to get home and that particular day you're referring to I think was Valentine's Day everybody
was leaving this island to go to dinner no it was this week Valentine's Day was last Friday it was definitely it was Monday or Tuesday of this week and it was literally it was halfway between the New Town Hall and the old movie theater building wow which admittedly is only 50
yards but yeah but I mean but no it's it it is it's the same thing and honestly my my observation has been it's not so much the workers and stuff because most of that is below the library all of that is past crape is
where all that's happening what what I've experienced is it's all the people leaving all of the parking lots right up here at the beach because and I I I mean if you drive it if you sub subject yourself to that you sit in traffic for
an hour and a half to get that far and then the guy in front of you lets somebody come up a side street in the downtown area and I've seen them not even stop at the stops side and come out and be let out into traffic and I'm I'm literally sitting in my car yelling at
the guy in front of me going you've been sitting in traffic for an hour that guy didn't wait 5 Seconds well I think that's yeah I mean I there's no way to fix all right we're getting off on a tangent let's get off on there's no way to fix it okay anything else no no okay no I don't have
anything else either um I'll go do all this I'll get it ready to go no public comment uh next meeting is on March is it the 13th 18th 18th I mean I don't think I'm
going to be here I have to go to tahasia Let's uh if we could please just send something to Amy I'll send some to Amy about finding a date for everybody date okay because she's the she's the master of the calendar she handles she handles that Keeper of the calendar she's definitely The Keeper
of the calendar all right I'll do that and I'll send we'll send it to everybody and check everybody's um the day after St Patrick's Day yeah I got to tell you that's the day after St Patrick's Day and as an as an Irishman I'm all right meeting adjourned
uh second second done all right