--------- All right. Good morning everyone. Today is April 28th, 2025. I would like to call to order this meeting of the Anchorage Advisory Committee at 9:00 a.m. Let's do the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, roll call. Uh, Jennifer Rusk
present. John Wesley Nash is here. Sam Lurri. Chris Rel King. Edover. Jim Anderhole. Curtis Lewig, Carver Master. And so we are missing Ted Lwell and Ed not Ed, sorry, Ron
Fleming. We'll find out where they are. Okay. Uh any public comment? Seeing none, uh we shall move on to the approval of the minutes. Did everybody have a chance to look Okay, we have Ron Fleming. Good morning, Ron.
Did everybody have a chance to look at the minutes from March 24th? And are there any comments or questions? I have a comment. Just a couple corrections that um they don't need to correct on there, but I just saw the time was missing a zero, the 9:00 time. And the other correction
was the permit for LCSO for the sheriff's office. Uh or I think that's what it was supposed to be. It said LCEC. Okay. For the electric. Um, so I'm not sure what it was, but we we had all our permits and that was just a typo. Okay.
Anyone else have comments on the minutes? No, it was on that second I had one and it said uh on the second page Chris Chair King will attend the April 21st town council meeting. I don't remember saying that, but maybe I did. I know that I think that was for when we
were going to do the permits and had to go. I think that's what that was for. I said I would if we needed to. Correct. Correct. All right. Just make sure about that. Okay. So, change of the time to make 9:00 LCSO
rather than LCEC and I was attending if needed. Any other comments? Do I have a motion for approval? Sam, I move to approve minutes. Second. All right. All in favor? I. Any
opposed? All right. Minutes are approved. Okay. It was a big day yesterday. Cruiser appreciation day held for the first time since March 25th of 2022. And I just want to say publicly and I'm
going to go through a lot of praise here, but I am so impressed by the committee how well we all work together and how much all of you gave of yourselves um of your time, of your commitment to this event. So, I just
want to go through and give everybody a bit of kudos because I want the public to understand how much effort went into this and just how much we cared about this event. So I will start with Miss Jennifer. Your passion for the nonprofits
uh shown in every way possible yesterday. I mean you you love what you do so much working with the nonprofits. You have an amazing network. You know who to talk to. Your communication was called out by the nonprofits on how you kept them apprised of everything. And
your organization, you were a drill sergeant when it came to getting, you know, all that stuff wrangled. I loved your setup. I thought it worked perfectly. So, thank you very very much for all that you did. I couldn't have done it without all of you. Wow. We appreciate that. Mr. Fleming, you are
new to our community uh committee. You're the newest member. I appreciate all of the donations that you gathered for us. appreciate your liaisoning with the fire department and mostly appreciate your willingness to accept uh
other duties as assigned and jump in wherever we needed you when you picked up heavy things, helped all the vendors. No, they weren't heavy. I All righty. Okay. You picked up mostly light things, but thank you very much for all of that. Uh I was surprised. I didn't know that
the library still had tables and they didn't. Those are new and they're at least 50% wider. They're fabulous. The tables and chairs. Same with the chairs. They were super. Mr. Nash, you are the king of organizing
donation prizes. Thank you so much for wrangling all of that and for the donation prizes that you gathered on your own. Um, you know, you really handled everything perfectly. We had to sort of stop Ed when he got ahead of himself. We were trying hand out the
prizes, but I think it worked very well. Um, so thank you for all of that. Uh, thank you very much. I really am really impressed on how well we worked together and came together as a team. I'd like to
uh say to Jennifer um I honestly was very skeptical of the layout. I I was I kept thinking, are we going to make this work? Do we have too many people? and you had it perfect and I should never
have doubted you and I I was very impressed with your experience and and how well you handled everything. Worked like a charm. Thank you, mister. Thank you, John.
All right. Um, moving on to Ed. Thank you very much for and thank you everyone for your monetary support, your commitment to the effort, but you also were other duties as assigned kind of guy. Thanks for the bringing of the cooler which was very helpful and thanks
for moving everything. Every time I looked around you had a dolly and you were moving some stuff from one place to another. So sure when I wasn't hiding. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you did a great job. Um Sam and Ted, I wish Ted were here, but um again, thank you for your
monetary support. And Sam and Ted are really our historians. I feel like you are our your connection, our connection to the history of the Matanzas Past Moringfield. So, thank you very much for keeping us connected to the mission. Um you know, whenever we sort of arrayed,
it was like you remember Boers first. This is why we're here. We want to celebrate and recognize the Boers. Thank you very much for all that you did arranging the meals. You did a great job. That worked fabulously in the tiki. It was it was zippy and I think everybody enjoyed a great meal. Thanks
for the donations that you gathered. The food was great. Amazing. So, thank you. So, I really appreciate it. And then also, uh Ted's wife, too. She helped a lot. Yes. And checkina was amazing. Tina was awesome. We definitely appreciated
Tina checking in the voters. She had it had it going on. Curtis, thank you and your staff, mostly you, for everything that you did. You handled our communication uh coordination very well, even though you had a lot of stuff flying at you.
You also wrangled a lot of our supplies and uh we appreciate everything you did. I know it was a it was a tough couple of weeks getting there. Yes. But I think we did it. And uh you know, thank you, Chris. But um you know thank thank all
of y'all. Um I think y'all did an amazing job. I think it was a very very successful event. Um I think it was uh pretty good for having it for the first time in three years, right? So um I think it was um you know
um a great thing and uh I can't wait to see um uh how we're going to build on this for next year. and vice mayor, thank you very much for all of your support and for guiding us through council process and making sure that we got the approval that we needed
so that we could carry on. As someone who watched how hard you all worked, uh, I have to say it was a phenomenal event and to the how you're going to top this next year is going to be a challenge, but I have no doubt that you will. Yep, we will. We're up to that challenge.
Yeah. Yeah. So, I took that notes page and I added information to it. So, what you got sent in the email this morning is really um a recap of everything that we did, all of the prizes, who won them,
how many meal tickets we gave out. Um I did not include which voters attended, but I've got I've kept a a sheet of that as I've given you one, Curtis, for reference. Um but I'm just interested in any other, you know, sort of data. Do you have some Sam? Were you able to
connect with Snug? So, my quick comments are Jennifer and Curtis over the top. That was so much effort. And Jennifer, you were like did fantastic. And uh the spouse thing, John King, really kicked
in. He was he was helping us all day long. And it was really nice to see all the council people show up. They mingled and talked with everybody were available all day long. And uh Ted's wife Tina, she helped out so much. And um she she helped out the
entire day. So thanks to her. And uh Ed Ryan from Beach Talk Radio. He brought his personality with him and he kind of he just lifts everybody up and he did a great job up on the stage. So it was a u it was a really fun event. It was. And
thanks to the voters, you know, who showed up and also the two that were willing to speak and talk a little bit about their experience. I thought that was that was great and I'm I'm hoping we can do more of that. Sam, have you had a chance to talk with Snug yet? Tell us. I have. Okay. So, I
did not settle up with them yesterday technically, but I did go up to the office. I will be going immediately after the meeting today. And if Curtis is available, he might not be available, but um I'll take him with me. So, the general account um from Nicole, who was
in charge of supervising the station there, was that we came within $100 of our 2,000. So, she kept all the slips. We're going to count them out between me and um Leslie Donovan is the manager
there. She'll be the one that's going to be uh stroking the check when we submit it. Um, I think they had just under the 80 meals. I know we gave out 80 85 86 85. I know I didn't
use one of mine and there were a couple people didn't use theirs and she said they only had a handful of the white public ones, but I'm going to make sure that that counts towards our total of our minimum. But I don't know if I should make a motion now. Um that I'm
pretty sure it's going to be right at the 2,000. It's got that we fell just short and we did have a $2,000 minimum. So I'd like to make a motion that the committee authorized after confirmation
uh submitting to the the town a dispersement for $2,000 to Snug Harbor for the meals. Do I have a second? I second that motion. Okay. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Great. I will be
meeting with them after this. I will get a some type of just informal thing where I sign it of some sort. Yeah. An invoice where I sign confirmation and uh Lesie from Snug signs it. I'll submit it to the town and then we'll get them a
check. And they were very cooperative. Have all the expenses been paid then? I mean with this for Snug for Snug for How about anything else? There were no incidentals with snug I think. Uh just the the total meals and uh if we if for
some reason it's it's probably going to be a 2,000 max. If some reason we have enough public to go over, those will count toward we'll only have to do the the actual confirmations of the green slips. So, a good question. I mean, what other
what other incidentals did we have that that uh came into the cost of putting on the event? Um, so um we pulled the um the permit costs um from the fire department and the payments that we had to make for that that got pulled out.
Um, but that was only um I believe a couple hundred dollars I was going to say as I I'll get what's left over in our fund next meeting. Okay. Um after we make payment to Snug and all this stuff. Um but um no um I think that was our our
next biggest cost that we had to to pay for. But um everything else we're good. I think we're going to be in the green a little bit. Yeah. We should have hopefully about $1,300 left over. Is that okay? Yeah. I was trying to
drill I know it's a little early, but I was trying to drill down on what we have left. When we next month when we have our meeting, I'll have I'll have a balance of that for you. Perfect. Thank you. Absolutely. Madam Chair. Yes. Just uh two comments.
First off, everybody done a great job in um in getting uh inind contributions. uh they did a wonderful job of getting them to me and everything worked out very very well with that. Uh the other comment I have is I really would like to
see us get some official name tags. Um that's something uh that really identifies us and makes us look uh as professional as possible. And I really don't think we should wait until next one if we if we have the funds. Um, I I
think we should uh move forward with that as soon as uh as soon as we can. Well, you may have different members of the committee by the time you have another event like this. So, you might want to wait until you get closer to
that. I wonder if like the women's club, they have a basic shell and then they do some sort of a tape thing. I mean, a nice looking official tape thing that goes on it. So, I'm wondering if we could do something like that and then we could switch out the members. Yep. I I really would like to see it as
professional as possible. Um, if we have changes, Ed, I I can't imagine the uh name tags really costing that much. Um, they're they're very cost effective, I think. Well, especially if they're interchangeable like like the chair was
just mentioning. Yeah. And I can I can talk to the women's club and find out how they do their name tags and I can bring that back. Yeah. worked out great, but uh next year we probably should start a little earlier. Yes. Okay. So, yes, now we're kind of at the point where
so many things went well. I mean, really, not too many bumpy bumps. No, I mean, I have done events for 40 years and usually there's some sort of crisis that you figure out and and you know, unfortunately, we did have somebody who had a little bit of a medical issue. She
is fine as far as I know. She's in the hospital. Um and there's nothing major that they have detected but you know just to make sure that she's okay. Uh but there really was nothing that we went wow this is not going to work. So you know great great planning for
everybody but I know we always want to be better. We want to you know incrementally make this a better event for everybody. So, I would love to think, you know, go through some of the thoughts that you all have about what we can think about for next year and then I'll add them to that document so we have everything in one place. I'd just
like to u suggest uh for next year if there's any opportunity to do it a little bit earlier in the season that we did um I think we'd be more successful with some of the more votes. I know that it will we'll have more people in the town. not so much that that's a factor
care about that. But it's I I I will have during season I have more voters in at that time. So I think that's you know I think that's when we need to do it. Maybe in March I think like right before the season starts coming down you know
very end of March. Are you thinking maybe? I I think so. I don't know how we all feel about that. No we should definitely discuss that. In the past, we've just waited until after Easter just bec but but Easter varies. So sometimes, you know, we wait until
afterward. Um but I think you're right about would get more attendance and there's going to be more people in the field um if we did it during season. We just have to weigh that out when it comes around to picking a date next year. And then yeah, we don't want to be
um in conflict with any other um organization or event make it so people can get there with traffic. Yeah. Next year Easter is April the 5th. So it's
way earlier. So we could either do it the and then what do you think about day of the week? Did Sunday work well? Do you like Sunday going into the concert? I we didn't get the traffic that I thought we might get with, you know, having the concert right after, but I don't think it was a bad thing. No, I
think it all worked well. I thought I I thought that we were going to kind of run into some issues with the band setting up behind us, but it all kind of worked worked pretty pretty good. Yeah, we had plenty of space and they were very cooperative. Uh I I like Sunday because I think it's a possibility of
less conflict. Yeah. What about time? Do you think we should move it up and start at noon and go like noon to 3 or do you like the 1 to 3:30? Um I I actually seen a lot of people and Sam you can you can
chime in on this. I've seen a lot of people show up earlier. Yeah, people are ready earlier. So it wouldn't hurt to start it earlier and you know get it going that way people have the rest of their day also. Yeah, I agree. And you were hitting more of the lunch time if you're starting at 12 and
maybe a little bit cooler. Yeah. Okay. Um, let's see what c can I offer a thought just because it just popped in my head. Um, I I don't want to create any additional work, but I I have to
think and I would defer to I know John, you do a lot of traveling, but I have to think this is somewhat unique what we did demonstrating appreciation and hospitality towards our our our Moringfield customers. And I wonder if there are either online or even
traditional hard copy publications that sort of follow the voting industry. And I wonder there oftentimes they're often looking for content. And I saw people took some really good pictures and just just a little bit of a story about what we did and how we welcomed these folks and appreciated them and and some nice
pictures. I would think to the entities that that travel like John I know you probably subscribe to them or at least look at them online to submit that content and I bet that could be from a PR standpoint really good for the Mingfield and good for Fort Myers Beach.
If I may interrupt you, I actually had a lot of the nonprofit and organizations asking if we had publications so they could offer those up to the morning field um guests. And so I think that's a great idea. some sort of publication
would have been but but but but I'm thinking about the the folks that are that in that industry that that that the Ming the people who go and travel in their boats that they read on a regular basis if there's some kind of a trade magazine or something. So there's a cruisers.net. Yes. And I've talked with
them. I can uh I can submit something to them and see if they want to put it out on because they give like a a newsletter or as you will like every week or month or something like that and I can see if they want to promote that and I bet they're looking for content and it's free and you know Chris is really good
at packaging that. So we have anything that we hand out but I think we should have like a Moringfield flyer. The town does specifically has the newsletter that they put out monthly and stuff like that. So, and I'm sure that Nicole will put something in there like physical. Part: 2
they truly are begging for content. So, it would be an excellent thing. Yeah, I think we've talked about this before, the fact that um it'd be great to have some sort of communication plan, not just about this event, but about the Moringfield and understand all of the different ways that we're promoting the
Moringfield, promoting the hospitality of of this community. And so, I sent you and Nicole a whole bunch of photos, correct? And then I'll have that, you know, detail sheet which will be complete with everything that that happened. So that should be a good
basis. But certainly, you know, we can talk to some of the people who were there. Fleming, your wife, she really pulled through for us with the tables and chairs and and um and Curtis, you did an awesome job.
When I needed your help, you were right there. And uh so I really thank you so much from the bottom of my heart and the whole community. This was a spectacular event and I'm so proud of us.
Yay. I mean, I think there are a lot of great takeaways. Um, you know, mayor, vice mayor, I think you mentioned that even though we didn't have quite as many voters show up, it was the fact that we extended this invitation to them. They knew that they were welcome. We knew
that we they we wanted them to attend. And you know, I would have loved to seen a few more people wandering through the nonprofits, but bringing all those nonprofits together is also a win because they got to network and they got
to talk to each other and understand some things that work, some things that don't work. And building that community of nonprofits, I think, is also a win. And the other thing is we did this in a really public way. It wasn't like we were underneath the bridge, you know,
which was a lovely contained event for the voters, but we did this in a really big public way. So, we took some risks. This might not have gone as well as it did, but because we were so organized, it did go really, really well. And people saw and they came up and they
asked questions and I think we could just do it better and better each time we do it. Yeah, exactly. Um, the library loan desk these sign holders that all the tables had. Unfortunately, I've lost
a few or maybe they walked off. I'm not sure. Um, I'm happy to replace them. I just need to find out uh where they got them. I have a box of stuff in my trailer that I was given to me yesterday at the end. Let me check that and see.
And if if we have them, I'll just run them over to the library. Okay, awesome. And then u with that um I'm happy wipe down all the tables and chairs. Were they delivered? They are getting returned right now. Probably they are
getting returned today. Right now, this morning. Should I go to the church and li? You can. Okay. Yes. Um that shouldn't be an issue at all. Um I can see where they're at.
Yeah. I've got a meeting at 10. Um, so maybe this afternoon if uh someone's going to be there or I don't know. Well, that's what I'm saying. We're returning them this morning. Like if they're not already returned now is what I'm getting at. My guys are doing it right now. So, they'll be there. I think the only one
that really needs to be cleaned like really good is probably that bottom table sitting on the ground. Um but um but I don't think they're too dirty. I think when we put them away yesterday, they weren't they were fine. I mean, I
handled a lot of the chairs and tables, right? They were all wiped down prior. Correct. And about half of the nonprofits had tables, but I really don't think it's necessary. Are you sure? Yes. I think
we'll be all right. J, since you're in the room, I would like to thank you so much for um if you don't mind. I think he needs to come to the microphone. Yeah, one second. I I know you're a busy man. Good morning. Good
morning. There you go. Thank you. I just wanted to say thank you for um helping the nonprofits with parking spots. Absolutely. And helping the town and helping us. We really appreciate it. I appreciate that. Thank you. And that's what we're here for. And you need to
identify yourself for the record. Thomas Yazo, PU, uh, emergency services director, Fort Myers Beach, and we are public servants first, and that's what we're here for. I was talking to one of your rangers walking in this morning, uh, and he, uh, was helpful in putting these protective uh, uh, uh, cord cover
cord covers. Yeah. Yeah. give whole credit to uh uh town manager Andy Hyatt and Jeff Hogi, PW director, because I forgot we had them and we were putting cones up and taping things down and uh they sent me a text and said, "Hey, we have those those barriers." I'm like,
"Oh." So, we ran back and got them and put them down. So, yeah, it was a good event. I was down for a little while. I did walk through and say hello to everybody, but uh I couldn't stay. But it was a beautiful event. Looks like a good turnout and uh downtown was busy which is really nice for us. Thank you,
sir. Thank you everyone. Be well. Great job. All right. Does anybody else have any other Hey, we could do this differently. I have a few things to just mention quickly. Um, you know, I think we need to remember we don't want to flood
Nicole and other people with, you know, ideas for communication. So, let's try and have one point of contact. And if that can be me in the future, that's that's great. I understand that sometimes we need to funnel things, specific things, and we'll funnel them through Curtis. He'll make sure Nicole gets it. But, well, Sunshine Law, we
need to go right to Curtis or Yes. Well, I think Curtis is always our first point of contact to get things there. Um, one thing that we did, you know, sort of late in the game yesterday is, you know, Sam walked down to the dinghyd dock to make sure that people knew where
they were going. So, I'm wondering if next time we have a sign at the dinghyd do welcoming people or a person welcoming people and saying, "Gosh, so glad you're here. Here's where you go." Actually, it was helpful. Like, I was down there between 1 and 1:30. It would
have been a good time. That's about when I was down there. The only issue was reminding people about their 10- foot painters, right? But I I don't think it was full, but there was always room to there was always room to squeeze an extra one in there. But, you know, it's
full and it is open to the public. Um, there weren't any larger than 10footers that I saw and everyone was pretty courteous. 10 foot. Can you uh Oh, 10 foot 10 foot line. So that what they do is you pull up, everybody get you tie nice and tight, everybody gets off on
the floating dock and then you let out 10 feet of line and that way when somebody else gets ready to come in, they can pull that one away and pull up there's plenty of dock space to pull up to all the time. And that's general the general rule. Correct. Excuse my ignorance, but uh I wanted to know how
many dingy docks are or how many boats uh are allowed to park in the dingy with a 10-ft pain or a lot. We don't have a specific specific We don't have a specific number. No, it's I've seen it. Is that just for
Moringfield or is that for anyone? Just for Moringfield. Is there a sign? What do you mean? So you hold on hold on I think I'm So you're you're talking about the boat the Is there an occupancy limit for the dinghy dock? Yes ma'am. We don't have an occup occupancy limit on the
dingy docka. I I will say I've seen it a lot. It's been a lot more full than what it was this weekend for sure. Um especially during season. You don't even you have a new dock. It's not installed yet. Correct. Correct. And and and that's on my updates that I'll be
talking about. That's going to be happening very very soon. So, anything else that you'd like? I have one suggestion for drop offs. Okay. If we could have some sort of sign, you know, nonprofits here. Okay. Because one
guy was parked on the sidewalk inside of Snug Harbor's parking lot and and if we could ask try to convince them to come one direction, which would be hard. Okay. the A-frame. Yeah. Even though the
trolley lane isn't ours, it came in very handy. But it did work, you know, worked pretty darn well. No, it was a good amount. Pretty smooth. Yeah. Anything for the cost? Um, you know, I had some different
thoughts overnight, but it's I mean, it's only been about, if 18 hours yet, so you're processing. Yeah, I am too. I don't want to steal anyone's uh line or anything, but I'm still looking at this
at 30,000 ft. So, okay. Well, what I will do is I will add a page to the notes that I have been assembling lessons learned, uh, thoughts for next time, and put those there. And then when we come back together, when the time is right to think about the
next event, we'll have sort of a a plan. we'll at least know what we did the last time and then we can build on that. And I do think, Madam Chair, uh to to not to beat a dead horse here, but with all the great pictures you did take, those would be useful next year when we promote it,
particularly within the trades and so forth. I mean, that's a that would be something just to sort of tell our story uh preemptively about what happened last year so people could have that anticipation for for the coming year. So, and we don't need a drone to take the pictures. We have John King
Yes, our photographer. Thank you. That took me a minute. That's good. Yeah. Will Nicole hold on to those photos and will she put them in some sort of a file or do I need to keep them on my phone? Um I can I can ask her, but um I I'll keep a file on mine, too. So, we'll have
we'll have them I'll save it. All right. Shall we move on to staff reports and updates? Yes. All righty. So, um, for my updates here. So, first
things first, just want to let y'all know I'm still in the process of, um, I'm hiring one other person. Um, I had a cancellation last last week and then a uh, a no-show. So, we are still still in
that process of hunting down our third op uh, marine marine operator. Um, so hopefully we'll have that we'll have that soon. Um, next is uh the debris removal
um contract that's going on right now. Um, we are nearing its end. Um, it's uh the end date is the 30th of this month. Um, so we are um um after that we will
be in discussion and see if um we're going to proceed forward or um if it's going to end. What would help make that decision? What's sort of the tipping point here? Do we are we done with debris removal or we are not? Um so we are in a lot better
state um where we were in the beginning. Um we still have debris and canals. Um the big stuff is what the this last two months have been about
is uh restoring nav um is restoring the navigation uh to the channels. Um all the big debris and stuff that's in the middle has been has been removed. We have a few big items to um um get uh before they end which they
are which they are doing now. And so by the end all the big items should be done. But um you know I I think uh you know we we go down and side scan these uh canals you know all the time after after they're done with them and
stuff like that. And um you know we're even green canals we're still finding debris. Um, and I think sometimes that sonar is very good, but with stuff laying just under the mud and laying flat, I think it kind of tricks the sonar system, so we're not really seeing
a whole lot, but when the guys walk it, they're pulling out things. So, um, you know, we're we're we're uh we're going to be in discussion um here in the next few days of how we're going to move forward. it'll be um if we do give the
point to extend or um you know what FEMA um has to say as well um that we'll be presenting to council. Sam are the is the firm that's uh contracted are they are they tracking data on how much debris they've taken up? Correct. Yes, sir. So when this concludes it's another
great opportunity to sort of tell our story. So I would I would aggregate that data and talk about how much was removed under this program from the canals maybe with some additional pictures and encourage Nicole to put that out because that's a people are very interested in this and they're interested in a very
positive way. So it's one of those great nice stories that we need to tell. Um um I've been in contact with media outlets and stuff like that. Um you know they've been doing a lot of stories. Sam just gave me this story that they ran um
as well last week. And then I know Wink has been running a story there for a little while. If you if if you really have some time and Nicole has some time to to maybe there's a couple big items still to pull out. Maybe that last item you maybe have a little press conference
around that and then release that data of all the debris you've taken up and Okay. I mean those are I mean the media it's summer. It's quiet. They're looking for stories and it's such a good story. Absolutely. Be worth telling and it's great. It's just it's just it reminds people of what we've been through, but
it's in a positive way. Yeah. I've already had reporters ask me about the final numbers and stuff like that on the closure. That'd be nice to keep a mental note of everybody who's done a story, then maybe call them in for a little maybe a little press availability or press you don't have to maybe call it a press conference. Press availability and just a great I think you'll get great
response on that. Yeah. Let them watch. Yeah. let them come with their cameras and watch haul something up. Absolutely. Kurt, back to um what we've cleared out. Uh it's my understanding that the channel navigational channel is is
cleared to its previous uh um depth from not from dredging but from debris. Is that true or do we still have some targets in the navigational channels that would be concerns for size of vessels that go through it?
So, you're talking about the draft of the canals, the depth of the Yeah, I'm talking about where we um where we had a let's say a 10-ft clearance previously. We don't have any debris that's up to six feet or up to No, that's the whole
purpose of this is to remove that. Um so we but right now we we are clear for for navigational. We don't have any alerts out any notems out that says uh we have problems. No no we we we have marked
things that we still have to get like I mentioned um before before closure um that they are getting right now this week. So um uh say by the end of this we will be um yeah pretty clear for the most part you know for what they they
have done. I mean we have still debris under there but it's not causing any causing any hazard to navigation or anything like that. Right. And I'm sure somebody buries from the channel there's there's lots of stuff they got to deal with. Correct. But from the channel right now, we we uh we have Boers have
confidence that uh they won't hit any debris that's going to do any damage to their vessel. Yes, sir. That's correct. Excellent. Do we have insurance? I mean, are we liable? Um is the town liable if a boat
hits something in a channel or in a canal if they hit something? Is it like our responsibility to I I don't No, that's a that's a good question. I mean, are we liable for
Boers in our canals in our back bay if they hit something or is it I mean, that's on the boater. It's the operator at that point. So, it would be on the boater themselves if they right hit or obstruct something. Yeah, it it it's very common, Jennifer, for um for the
boating insurance, the insurance on the vessel uh to cover such things. Good question. And then also that Jennifer, just to um you know, let you know with that's why we we make sure that all of our voters have um updated
um insurance on file on DACA before they come into the morning field. Um so um you know for what you're talking about, correct? I was just curious. No, you're good. Great, great question. Yeah. What else on your report? All right. So um
moving next. So, Dingy Dock, um, everything's in the works for that. I just picked out the color scheme for the dock. Um, and, uh, we It's a color scheme. Well, just just a gray. It's the barefoot gray. A gray color. It's like this color, you know, nothing. It's It
is It's It's the same thing of what we have now, pretty much. So, um, so, um, we're just waiting for the materials to get to, um, uh, come in right now with until, um, once once they come in, um,
Kelly Brothers will, um, let us know and then that'll be the timeline. I should expect the timeline of um when they're going to start the construction and how long they're estimating it uh
until they're done till completion. So, um I'm looking forward to that. Um it's been a long time coming. You know, that was the first thing that I was hoping to get done or attack when I first started and uh with the hurricanes and everything that's pushed back. So
hopefully by the end of this summer, we'll have a brand new brand new uh dinghy dock and uh we should be able to hold uh a lot more a lot more dingies. Now will the fishing pier under the bridge
is that included? Will that reopen? Yeah. That fishing pier is gone. Oh, okay. It's it's no longer um last year end of summer last year there was two pilings still there. um Kelly Brothers
came and removed those two. Uh we needed that done before the dinghy dock was built. So um because it was kind of in the way there. So um getting back to the color scheme, I know it sounds boring about that light gray, but that is
important. It stays fairly clean, correct? And it stays cool. Well, and I would think if you did a blue, it would might might blend in with the water and it wouldn't be as visible. Too hot. There was a tan. go for a light a light color but not white so it stays clean
and it's and it's uh cool. There were the the two big color the three big colors was like a beige, like a tan and then a brown and then the grays gray colors. So I went with the gray. Who knew? I know. You know, that's a natural color of the
metal also. So there wouldn't be a lot of touching up or anything paint chipping or anything. Sorry, Mr. Fing. Yeah, I need to leave. I would be okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. Good job. It was fun. Very much fun.
Anything else on your report? You got to remember Ron travels by bike. I just have a few more. Okay, sure. He travels by bike. Yes. Everywhere. Everywhere. Good for you. When's our next meeting? Uh, it is
Monday. Uh May 26th. Okay. Thank you. 9 a.m. I do have to leave at 10. So I don't know how long. All right. I think we can I can I'll be just a few more things. I just want to know what where we're at. Memorial Day. Okay then. Not that. Oh
yeah. So Mr. Fleming, not that date. Not that date. That's Memorial Day. So we'll tell you when it is. Yeah, it might need to be the 27. I mean, if that council's not doing
anything that day, we'll check with Amy. Okay. Um, so just a few more items to just uh keep you uh up to speed with. Um, we did get a work work trailer or a tool trailer. Um, so we have that at the North Tower. That's huge. which um freed
up some space for us in our in our in our communications trailer where we our the office. Um so that was a big thing that we got. Um we should be getting a new F150 for us to pull some stuff with as well. We would will be sharing that
truck with the code with the code department. Um, and where we are at right now with the maintenance of the morning systems, we are starting to clean the moing systems. Now that we're getting into the off season, I started with the Back Bay and then we are
working our way um north up to uh towards Pink Shell and Boundage up there. So, um, once a boat leaves off a ball, that's our time to go and, you know, clean it and, um, get everything, you know, ready because right now in the
summertime, we're going to be occurring a lot of a lot of growth, algae, barnacles, that kind of thing. So, we want to keep our systems as as clean as possible. And is that work that your team does or this is what you've contracted out because it involves diving? No, my team is doing the
cleaning. um the maintenance side of it and inspecting the morning systems and interchanging uh some of the uh shackles and uh the rigging um that is that is on the system that is what the contractors
do but we maintain and clean the systems. I mean you know I mean you can call it maintenance maintenance as well is that's that's what it is. That's what we're doing. So Okay. But anything that involves diving they would do. Correct. Yes, ma'am. And I think that's it for right now.
That's a quick question. Uh on the Arches proposal and and I asked Frankie this about a month ago and I I can't remember exactly where we're at with that. Is there any kind of synergies between the Moing Field and the Arches proposal at this point? But there if
there's any talk of us uh getting in there as an office, is that what you're getting? pump out office just some kind of synergy. Is there any kind of discussion that's currently in the proposal that's pending before the council? Um to your knowledge to my knowledge I know that they it has been
discussed that we would like to um have an office in there um in the in the ship stores. Um you know that's something that Frankie um so better better question for Frankie at this point as to whether it's in their
proposal or not. their plan. That's kind of um you know above my head right now. That's okay. I just I just didn't know what what I I just was curious as to where that was at. I I'll check with Frankie. Thank you. Yeah. My understanding from talking to Frankie is that there are some things in that proposal that he has put forward and
tried to, you know, have in whatever comes to council. But I I don't know the exact specifics, but I do believe Pump Out and probably the office were I'd heard rumors of the office. I just But I'll I'll check on that. Maybe I'll have we'll have a report for the next meeting because I think I think the arches may
be done by then. So, we'll hopefully have some information for the next meeting on that. Maybe we're talking Huh. We're talking like two to five years down the road for that. Correct. No, no, no. I meant in terms of the the Yeah. If the if the agreement passes
whether it's whether it's in it or not and what's in it. Yep. Understood. Understood. Any update on the six balls? Uh no. No. after all this stuff, this contract, this debris removal contract, ACC is done. That's I I want to get the balls open by next uh next season.
That's my goal. So, that's one of my main focus this year coming up. Um um one other thing I will uh well, two more things. Um, I will say we have um
we do pump outs with Pink Shell um or or pump pump off our boat at Pink Shell. Um we also can use Salty Sam's system now as well. They got theirs up and running um for the past six months. We've been helping them pump out their
um pirate ship and the sightseer and um I did that as a friendly favor for them. So it's kind of helped us out. So, um, we're able to use their their system as well. So, now we have a system to offload our boat at the end of our
morning fields and then at the beginning as well. So, um um I think that um helps us out a lot. So, I was happy for that. Any update on sunken boat at ball number 48? No, I have not gotten an update on that
as it is. It is. It's tagged. It's still in the works. just going through FWC and LCSO's process. Is that the one at the end of the Ohio? Correct. Yes, ma'am. Yep. Um and then one last thing that I will um let y'all know about is um
um I have a new boss. Um so that got changed uh this past week. Um my boss now I'm currently um going to be reporting to Thomas Yazo. um he is um he
is the um uh emergency emergency response director now. So um there'll be some things uh once we talk next meeting once we get into the ordinances and changing that
and putting putting the ACC information in our in our ordinance um it'll be listed as the morning field will be under emergency response. So that will be added as well when we go to revise
the resolution for the for the morning field. So that concludes my updates. That's all I have for you right now. Thank you, Curtis. You're welcome. Do you have an update on your boat? You ordered a boat. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, we did. So that's um we are waiting right
now for the um the boat builder to put the specific boat on the GSA website. He has other boats on the website, but this one has to be specifically on there per per Joe um on it. So, um that's in the process right now. We're waiting for
that. Once that gets updated on the website, we can move forward, but everything's still in line. Um but I just don't have a timeline on it yet. So, that's why I didn't mention it. And then, um there's a landing at the end of
Coconut. Yeah, I believe it's Coconut. Yeah, there's a pier right now. Um, actually, yes, so um I'm in the process of trying to we have um we have some concrete people working for the town right now. Um once they get done with certain things, they're going to come
down and they're going to repave that uh boat ramp down at the end of Coconut. I'm so glad you brought that up. Um, so we have a boat ramp uh on my street, Miramar Street, and uh two people have
fallen in the past couple weeks. Okay. There's dividends or Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. You do? I'm trying to get all of them covered right now, but I got to go one one step at a time to reach out to so you can help. I Yes, I've been hitting
that up. I've been trying to get all that done, but I got to do one one at a time. So coconut's the first one. I think that one needs the most attention right now. And then we'll move to definitely don't want people falling on town. Correct. I know my that's a that's
a very narrow boat ramp. You know, I don't know who's um a lot of people use it, not even on our street. People put their boats in. It's really uh designated for u you know uh kayaks and
things like that. That's really what it's designated for. But um but it it needs some work and I know we definitely don't want visitors. Yes, I agree. I agree. Okay, that's good to know. I'll let people know that that's on the
list. Anything else for Curtis? Jennifer, since you are leaving shortly, do you have anything for member comments that you want to bring up? No, just a big thank you to all of you. I mean, you all are amazing
and it was just a wonderful event. Thank you very much. And thank you. Thank you for other member comments. John, I'm good. Thank you, Sam. I have one very important comment. I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge Curtis
has been here one year. He is the man. Not yet. Not yet. Five 16. Okay. 516. Okay. So, well, this will be our one-year meeting that and he's everywhere doing
everything. Very wellliked by by all the Mooring patrons and obviously all of us. And a media darling. The media interviews him all the time. He's always available and just a great representative of the town. So, thank you, Curtis. Absolutely. A pleasure to
work with you and um I I couldn't uh I don't think we could ask for anyone better and what job you're doing. I appreciate that. Thank you. Uh I don't really have anything. I noticed that the MURF committee um is going to council with some
recommendations about dredging. Um there mo I watched the meeting the motion was a little bit confusing to me but um I would encourage everybody to watch that murf meeting at least a
discussion about dredging being that we're marine operations I think this committee should also be involved with that process. Exactly. And uh it's one of those crossover things. It definitely is.
But it seems like Chad is possibly more of like the contact person for funding. And he is me and him. So me and Chad work hand in hand on certain projects like me and him are working together on this canal debris removal project. Um
and then um so if the dredging once that happens down the road, you know, me and him will be both be involved in that project as well just like this one. May I respond to that? Absolutely. So,
interesting enough, um, I know many people who have lived here for years and years that live on canals. They actually, many people after that meeting came to me and even before that meeting said that the town before Hurricane Ian
had already said that they were going to dredge the canals. So, I'm not I was very kind of uh confused why it was a MURF uh thing. I understand that we're a marine environmental resource task
force, but my opinion was this was something that the town had already discussed and came to a conclusion. I'm talking about the town council and so um I was confused by why it was um
something but you know it is what it is. Mhm. Is this along the lines, Vice Mayor, of the things that we've been talking about for quite some time about where the responsibility lies for dredging and how to I think those conver that conversation should probably continue. I have to confess I I try to
watch all the advisory committees, but I I did not see that particular episode. So, I don't I don't know what the language is it that's being proposed. So, and also um Mr. I would like you to look into um finding out what the previous uh uh council
before Hurricane Ian had already discussed in uh in the you know the plans for drenching. Yeah, that that's a good question. I have to say in all fairness, in all honesty, it's it's pretty nebulous. Yeah. In terms I mean
everybody had a a hope and a wish, but there was never any funding to back it up. there was always promises of looking for funding by the the town manager at the time. Um but I don't think that was there was anything right codified and in our last meeting or um not in our last
meeting but a few meetings prior to that Frankie um had come and spoke to us about it and uh I believe uh you know he had spoken about whether or not there was um funding for it and uh so Yeah, I
I know it's I know it's on the town's wish list, but whether that'll be realized or not is still, I think, up in the air. Yep. Well, I think it's fair to say that that Chad's working on it. Yeah, that's there. Um I know that he I just talked to him before this meeting. They
are moving forward with um seeking the permitting process and uh going through that going through that avenue with it right now. So once it does get on, the chances for a line item from the legislature are minimized by the challenges at the budget discussions at
the state level. So I don't think there's a lot of hope for a line item appropriation. And I guess I'm just confused if the town council already had uh approached this, you know, this plan to do the dredging of the canals uh
prior to Ian. Is that no longer in effect? Well, I think when you use the term dredging, you're not talking about removing debris. You're literally talking about dredging, right? Correct. I I don't know that there ever really was. I I think there was a desire to either help and
assist. So maybe a misunderstanding of the I thinking that the town council had there was something in place for the Buccaneer Lagoon, right? Yes. But uh yeah, the hurricane destroyed a lot of stuff. Correct. I think there was
something that was well there was a partnership. No, that was that was actually real years ago maybe like five years ago. But the bucket the Buccaneer Lagoon example was a real example where the town agreed to pay 50% and then the community paid 50%. That's what I was
and that was that was codified and was taken out of their water bill in one lump sum which created some challenges but after Ian that money was refunded and I think we're back to kind of square one with respect to those issues. It's a private channel, public channel
sort of conversation to who owns what. That's all public. Well, that part is the other canal. Right. Right. Exactly. I have um good overlook visibility of that and
since Ian that's gotten much worse. Um it's almost not passable at at certain times of day. So that really is aware of that. You're talking about coming into Buccaneer Lagoon. Is that what you're saying about? Yeah. The entrance right there. I am. We've actually been going
around the green on the back side of it and coming back closer to the dock line. Green just around the outer green just to get past that sandbar is extended so far. So there's channel and then there's canal and then I also know the entrance
to that channel on the outside coming in that's that ball that sandbar has gone all the way into the channel almost across the channel. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's already gone. You're talking about on the outside before you you come in to make the bend
and then go back into Buccaneer Lagoon, right? You're not talking about the green that's in Buccaneer Lagoon. You know, I'm talking about the green that's actually in uh Big Carlos Pass the very first time you come to Correct. And we all the neighbors and I we discussed it. We've actually kind of just been going
on the outside cuz that sandbar has come so far. Yeah, it's moved. Okay. Yeah. But you got to be very very careful about it gets it's skinny on that side too. Yeah. It it's it's uh definitely unpassable for probably half of the day depending on where your tide's at. And
we see people go around there all the time. Um, unfortunately, it's uh they they do damage to the boat quite often. No, I understand. Yeah, that's that's a broader policy
discussion. If we can't secure uh funding, state or federal funding, you know, we're going to have to as a community figure out whether we use the economies of scale and find a vendor that would give a discounted rate to help all the canals. Do the is there is
there a cost sharing formula that comes into play? Is that put on the property tax? Is does the town assume all the cost uh and those who are not on a canal assume part of that? These are these are huge challenging policy questions that need to it needs to happen. It needs to
have that discussion because the canals do need help. Uh it's just a question of how do you where do you allocate those costs and how do you allocate them particularly if you can't get state or federal funding typically what other communities what what do other neighboring communities do? Well, I
think it's everybody's all over the place. I think because you when you dredge a canal too and I got you're not talking to an expert here but what what I understand is that you have the repercussions to the seaw walls and then who's responsible for any seaw wall repercussion if you dredge the canal. So I mean it's a it's a big it's big deal.
I mean and and I uh I think we're going to have to sit down as a community and figure out how to allocate those costs. I agree. I I don't have the answer but yes but I do believe that we do need um discussion. I think that the the the lure of potential
outside help has has delayed the hard conversation that we have to have here as a community and and if we can get that outside help wonderful that because that that alleviates a lot of the problems but whether that outside help comes or not is I think still I think that's delaying the conversation the hard conversation I think just want to
reiterate I would just recommend they it was a good discussion there was some lot of different ideas thrown around and I think it'd be a good idea for this committee to stay updated on how that's going. I think this is one of the items
that we have talked about probably for a year or so on this committee and because there is this disremembering, misremembering, oh, I forgot we talked about that. I mean, I would love to just have sort of a one pager that somebody could put together on here's what we know, here's what happened before, and
here's where we are today. And Madame Chair, we maybe um come up with a motion and have you go in front of the council as well as Murf for that? Well, I don't think we're at the point, Jennifer, where we have anything to really
recommend to the council. I I know that Frankie is he's it's very much on his list of things that he's working through. But, um, I think the first step in my mind is let's just level set on what what's real, what are the facts around this. And so then when you have
questions from your, you know, your neighbors, you can say, "No, here's here's really what it is. We're totally aware of this. Um, we've been talking about it for a long time. It's complicated and we're just trying to figure out what's the best way forward. Just for the record, uh, again, the
entrance to Bucknet J, uh, that definitely gotten much worse from the hurricane, correct? But it's gotten much worse in the last couple months. That's where I was going to go. You know, that show constantly builds and so that channel gets worse and worse and worse.
It's not going to get better on its own. So, you're talking channel and I think you're talking canal. I'm talking about the channel to buck right. So, so there are two kind of different just talking about that in particular. Y is the uh
Well, I think what John is talking about goes in hand in hand with these canals because it's the entrance. If you can't get through there, you can't get into the canal at all. So, it goes it goes hand in hand. So, it sort of is part of the same Right. Same deal with the there's a lagoon and then there's canals
that go off go off of the lagoon. Right. Correct. Yeah. But if you can't you can't get back there and certainly agree with you about the channels, but if you can't get back there, the it's it's a mess. Well, the thing is
is I personally I think that the waterways are a big economic driver as well as the beach in this community. I agree. And and you know the state or whoever helped us out quite a bit with with the beach and we're just not
getting that same response for for the canals if you were to compare the two. Yeah. Again, not to belver this, but I think part of the challenge was is that because the previous town management prior to Ian
didn't didn't properly metric and measure the status of the canals. We didn't have that data to go to FEMA to get that kind of help like we did for the beach nourishment. So, uh, and then of course the TDC only has very strict things that they they'll reimburse for.
So I don't think canals is in their purview. Although if the state legislature is successful, it may be because obviously Cape Curl has a lot of canals and if they get TDC money, I mean everything's in in flux. But these these are great policy questions and I think even with the the channel uh uh uh John
we we had a couple years ago we were trying to get to see if if we could use the sand in that channel to use it for reourishment particularly on the south end because it was pretty close and and there was there were some engineering challenges that that that didn't support that that thesis. So, I think
everybody's got their thinking caps on and uh but this lure of help, outside help is kind of delayed, I think, the hard conversation that we're we're eventually going to have to have. Correct. And to complicate it more, unfortunately, when John was talking about the loop, that's all inter
coastal. It's federal. It needs to be kept open. It stops at the Kousa Hatchee. So, everything on our back bay is not technically the inter coastal. So, correct. There's a lot of stuff we don't qualify for urgency on. The problem is a lot of those channels going
back from well so if you come under the bridge sticking to the right right hand side of the channel down the dock line past by all those are private dates so those aren't federally um federally maintained and the whole back bay is not
whereas coming from Cape Coral from Cape Coral all the way to you know the other coast and all the way up to you know to Texas and to New York it's all federal But it stops at the Kusa Hatchee. So everything's south. It's a It's a
different situation. I I mentioned the TDC because the state legislature is currently discussing legislation that will revoke the concept of a TDC in terms of how it uses its funds and then basically Lee County would be able to use it for anything they wanted to as opposed to the purpose of the why the
TDC was created in the first place. I don't know where the the stat that may not pass, but it's out there and it's a real bill and I think that the cities and town folks are very concerned about it. I'm I'm sorry, the the term TDC, the the tourist development council, that's basically the bed tax and it's the
entity that then dispenses the funds from the bed tax theoretically to help those coastal communities where the hotels are and generating the bed tax again, i.e. beach nourishment, etc. Uh so that's that but but but but I think there's some folks in the legislature
who would like to get their hands on some of those funds for other purposes as well. And some information I would like is Thank you. Thank you sir. Sure. Sorry John. Um some information I would like is is uh the canals how many canals
we have private property is are the m are the majority of the properties on the canal private properties. Um how many of them are rentals meaning they're conducting their
property as a business? That's some information that might be helpful in making some decisions. I would yield to Curtis on that, but that's a good question. Yeah, you that's a good question. I'm talking I'm asking
as a community and we put that on our so that we know exactly and Ted has knows a lot about about that as well. So next meeting we can get but even with um tropical shores possibly from the past
discussion about building a facility there didn't the run into some problems with underwater land lease and there was an owner that owned Yes, absolutely. There were there I think repairarian rights that were disputed and and so forth. In fact, in fact, I lived on
tropical shores ways and the I was renting there and the owners of our of our home had been at war with this entity that owned the parts of the canal, the rights of the canal. to repair your your own peer or your dock, you had to go to this entity and they would I hate to use the word extort, but
I can't think of a better word, extort money from you in order to be able to repair your own dock. And that's unusual. I don't I think that I think that's just just a few of those canals run into those challenges. But that was a that is and was a real problem. If you go to uh Lipa, I think I was I showed a
few of you. If you go to Lepa, and I don't know what what this really means, but if you light up all the property owners, 90% of the canals are owned by the associations or at least it comes up under their name. So, I'm not sure, you
know, what's involved in, you know, getting people to sign off on that and, you know, how significant that has or how, you know, what it even means. But if you go to the property appraiser, it's some of the canals have nothing.
That just means they're waterway, but most of them were owned by the associations because they were all dredged out at one time. And to be honest, I opposed um the motion that Murf uh put up and I have lots of
friends on canals and I do agree they need dredging or they need some help but uh I don't know enough to be honest with anybody. I don't know enough about it and I want to learn. I I do. But uh go
to lepa.org and and light it up. No. And you'll and you'll see what what I'm talking about. environmentalist and I also see opposition to dredging. So just to be transparent with all of you that that's
you know something that I feel and there's a couple things about dredging there's there's two options. You can either create a spoil area. I know when they did uh Laguna Shores last time they did not do a spoil area. Instead they went to land. They took the spoil and
they went to land and they trucked it off. So, that's one of the things that helped. I think it was environmentally um is why they did that. And it didn't match and the sand didn't match where they wanted to drop it. Yeah, that was that was I think what you're talking about. Could have been too many shells
in it too. I can't remember. Yeah. Wrong kind of soil, too muddy or something. When dredging, there's a lot of sediment that gets dispersed all kinds of issues for wildlife and manatees and sea turtles. We have a new issue. The new issue is
when this gets dredged up. It used to be there's oil and stuff on the bottom. We have a whole hurricane full of everybody's chemicals from their garages and their yards and their vehicles. So, that will be a lot worse, more of a problem once that gets stirred up,
right? But most likely a temporary problem to be addressed. Yes. And listen, I um got to confess. I'm sorry. I just remembered that uh I told y'all that I would bring the
um my uh monthly revenue reports and what voters I have in the field uh capacity and all that. Um just from the event, I did not get to print that out. But starting next meeting, I'll make sure that I have that moving forward for
for every monthly. Ted would have asked you about that. I know. I know he would have. I know. Okay. Do you need to go, Jennifer? Okay. All right. Just uh do you have any more comments? No. No. Thank you. I have
nothing additional. Thank you. Uh I just wanted to give a few thoughts about the sunshine training that most of us here went through. I think Sam was the only one from our committee. He wasn't there, but you've been through it before. I watch I watched it on YouTube. You watched on YouTube. Okay, perfect. Um,
so just a few best practices that I took away and just want to make sure that everybody feels like those were the things that we were supposed to take away. Um, but uh, Nancy was supportive of what I have been doing in creating
sort of recaps about what we talked about and what our deliverables were, getting those to Curtis to send out to the entire committee. That way we're not relying and waiting on meeting notes that are official and we actually, you know, can move forward a little bit more quickly. Um, as we all know, no
communication between members directly about anything related to AAC business. So, we use our good friend Curtis as our conduit for that. Um, meetings must be in public, noticed, minutes taken. We learned that when we were planning the event that we could have additional
meetings as long as the public was invited and interest, you know, knew that it was taking place and they could attend. Um, and I think for future reference, because we are not necessarily a nonprofit like some of the other organizations are that are
planning events, as long as we go in front of the council and ask for permission to do the event like we did this year, we should be fine in continuing that. Does any of that ring untrue? Oh, thank you bracelet. Can I just add
something to that, please? Um, you know, the town attorney, um, part of that discussion was that being on AAC, I could talk to someone on the audit committee about something the audit
committee is working on or vice versa. I would say that with Murf working on the same issue being uh dredging would probably be a good idea to maybe not speak off public record with a MURF
committee member about about that particular issue. Something that is crossing. It's not committee to committee though. It's within your committee. So if you're on MURF, you can't discuss the things that could potentially come up for a motion or
discussion within that committee. that uh you and I can have a discussion on whatever Murf is doing because you're not on Murf, right? But what what I'm saying is it's the it's the same issue and I I maybe I'm not an attorney. There's actually people that like me,
but um I would just be careful about that is as if it's I think he's talking about the dredging specifically because that is something that Murf talked about and it's something that will probably be sort of an overlapping discussion. So if there is something that we think might
come before the MURF committee, we probably shouldn't talk to another MURF committee member about No. No. Right. Do you see Are you following me, Jennifer? I don't think she I don't think she is. Yeah. So So I I think what he's Let's see if I can explain this a little bit better. I think what he's saying he just
wants to be cautious because say we do get involved with Murf and where me and Chad are doing the dredge get involved. What do you mean by get involved? If we are working together on this dredging project, say whenever down the road that comes, right? And and we're we're
discussing it. Same with Mirthth. He's saying he would be cautious to discuss that with MURF members because we are both we are both handling the same the same project. You see what I'm saying? Does that make a little bit more? Yes.
And we wouldn't want to influence Murf's decision or you wouldn't want to influence. So how can I be on this committee and Murf committee and while you're doing it? You just can't talk to yourself about this. Darn it.
in trouble. So, obviously it's, you know, he it's exactly what why I think um Ed is um was bringing this up is just to be cautious, something to think about um what what when that time time arises. But I think you
being you're kind of a loophole because you're on both committ so you you can discuss and talk about it with us here in the meeting. Same with Murf. It's the outside with members to members. This is in public also, right? This isn't this is public. This is noticed. This follows
all those guidelines. Right. So I I obviously don't discuss anything with MURF outside of the meetings and anything that is in this meeting I do not discuss with any of you. I'm following Sunshine Law. So I'm
just curious. I mean that's just part of the Sunshine Law. I'm just wondering if maybe I'm still not understanding what the situation is. I think it's I think it is a topic related thing. So I'm not I I don't think Ed is saying, "Hey, we can never talk to a MURF committee
member about turtles." But what he's saying is if we're talking about if we're thinking about dredging because you guys on the MURF committee have an opinion, you've brought something forward, you've made a motion, we're talking about it here. Um it might be
challenging to have that conversation. Let's say I talked to Dave Nusbomb and said, "Hey, what are you guys doing about dredging or your husband who's my liaison?" I mean, if you were to have a discussion with him, I should talk to him again, I guess. No, I know. I
totally get it. It it gets very complicated. Jennifer can't talk to her. I just don't think that's breaking law. I think that that may be a question for the attorney, but I really don't think because you're not on the
town council, however, and he's not even your liaison. So maybe talking to Jim Admiral about it might be a what is that quasi judicial? Yeah. So that might be an issue. But I
think well I'm I have to talk to myself because I'm on the MURF and I'm on Anchorage. But I believe that you can a conversation with another MURF member, Mr. Nesbomb or something like that. I don't think that's breaking Sunshine Law, but who am I to say? I think
they're right about you need to be careful if because we may be voting on the exact same thing that they're voting on. I think that that's definitely a hard line. That's a great intellectual question and I I've listened to both sides here and I'm I'm leaning with you
on that, Jennifer, but at the same time, I'm not a town attorney. I'm not an attorney. And it's a good question and uh hopefully we can also get to the core of this and figure out jurisdictionally who's best to handle these types of issues. Again, it doesn't
matter to me who wins, but we ought to have some direction as to who does what. You know, another we could also whenever the topic comes up and we want to as a committee, we want to um have some uh
input in uh the decision uh any decision or any you know uh maybe a joint meeting that would be another good way to address it to go about it that way it's just cut clear and I've got to go okay all
right uh a couple more things um public records law just a reminder that if you get any requests for public records whether that is in writing or orally we would pass those along to Amy Baker to complete those probably a good idea to
CC Curtis on that. Please do. Um remember that communication on your private device about AAC business is discoverable. Um it is your your device may be yours but the stuff that's on it and if you're talking about AAC business that could be used. So be
judicious. Um voting conflicts. Make sure you're not voting on anything where you or relatives might be in a position to lose or gain. And I think that was that was it. So
that's what I took away. Okay. Any other member comments? And as I understand it, Madam Chair, any conversations that the committee has with me outside the committee is okay. Okay. Regarding the the Anchorage Advisory Committee. Yeah, that's always been my understanding. Y or Curtis. Or
Curtis. Yeah, that's right. Public comment. Anyone? Motion to adjurnn. Nope, we can't do that yet. Not yet. Uh, we have to set the next meeting's agenda. Great. But so close. So close, Sam. Um,
so here's what I have for next meeting. And and first of all, I'd like to say that um I'm willing to attend the council meeting on May 5th, just to give a wrap up of how the event went. Okay. So I would like to get, you know, the information from you um Sam through
Curtis as to where we actually came up. Yep. with our meals and then um Curtis can give us a financial replay and then I can I can share with council and if if you're gonna if you're gonna if you're gonna come before the council and you may be planning on doing this anyways because we do have a lot of
people who watch those meetings nice opportunity to recognize our sponsors and those who donated all the prizes that would be great I will provide a fact sheet but I mean when you say it at the mic then the sponsors get some some love you know I can do that that'll be like my
recitation where Ed Ryan says, "Oh god, she's doing a Jim Hatter and she's reading all this stuff." So, but I will do it. You get accused of granularism. I will do it. You're famous. Any any publicity is good publicity, right? Well, I used to think that.
But if you read as fast as Yeah, I will zip right through it. Um I have a comment on that. I just like to say, Jim, when when you give those detail reports, you go fast and like the Santine thing, you go fast. It's off the subject, but you go fast and you give all the information that everybody wants
to hear. So, thank you for that. Thank you. I appreciate that. Um, so what I'm suggesting for the next meeting is can we start sort of doing this level setting on where we are, where we're going. um based on information I've gotten from TED and
information from Curtis, you know, we have those different statutes or plans where our responsibilities are outlined, but we're really not sure which one of those is right or current. So, what I would like to do is create a document that says
here's from the land lease agreement, here's from the mooring plan, here's the things that we think are probably important for us to have as responsibilities and that way we can create one sort of screwed up document. You're talking about for the ordinance, the resolution and everything. Okay, sounds great. So, we can say, okay, and
is it any of this really um necessary by statute or was that just something that was put in there? We know that we need to have a committee to have a a land lease. So, that is important to know, but are the responsibilities necessarily legally bound or can we determine what
we want our responsibilities to be in accordance to supporting the town? So, I'd like to put that together and then maybe we can have a little bit of a a strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats discussion, and talk about key deliverables for the rest of this year
and into 2026. And certainly dredging and the dinghyd dock and some of those other things that are going on now will be on that list. Could and and ready for one more suggestion. Sure. Could we possibly since the uh arches will be theoretically heard on the 5th and the
19th if it does pass uh and I it looks like our we even if we have to move our meeting to Tuesday it would be after those. Would it be possible to have Frankie appear before us and just give us an update as to what that new synergy
is between the moing facilities and uh the arches project if any. Absolutely. That'd be great. I just think it'd be good to I think the public would find that interesting. It's obviously gerine to our purpose this year and and and quite honestly I'm I'm interested particularly when it's all said and done what the uh what that
outcome is. And do you think Curtis that this would be something that uh Mr. Yazo would be interested in listening to, you know, our discussion about our roles and responsibilities? Absolutely. Okay. So yeah, I can bring him in on that for for that for the um harbor management
breaking all that down because he's going to have to we're going to have to add the emergency response part to that too. So yes, I will ask if he will attend. Okay. And um I will check with Amy after this to see about what date we
will have our meeting on. I'm assuming because May 26th is Memorial Day as you guys have pointed out, I would probably move it to Tuesday if that works for everybody. But um yeah, we I feel like last year all of our meetings fell on all the holidays. So we need to do a
better job of of um looking at that and not not having that happen, you know. Okay. So, does that sound good with everybody? Yes. So Curtis will just send out as soon as we know when there's an opening. Yep. Yep. I will send out a recap of what we talked about today and
it will have our date on it. Okay. Can Can we get that I mean sooner after? Yeah, she'll send that whenever she gets it to me. I'll I'll send it out to all y'all and then we will Amy will let us know what dates what extra dates are available. Yep. I'll go talk to her. Okay. No. Sam, I move to adjourn. I'll
second. Okay. All in favor? I. All right. Any opposed? Nay. All right. It is 10:30 and we are adjourned.