Good afternoon everyone. Today is August 6 and I would like to call to order the advisory committee. It is 2:30 p.m. Let's do the pledge of allegiance. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call. Let's start with you. Ed, Tanwell, >> Chris Keane, >> Sam Lur, John Wesley, >> Jennifer Russ,
>> Jim Edhold, Curtis Flood, >> and our guest speaker, >> Frankie Kpopek. >> Okay. Uh, we are missing Ron Fleming today. He is excused with a doctor's appointment. Um, public comment. I see no public comment. So, let's go to
approval of the minutes from our May 27th meeting. Do I have a motion to approve? >> Madam Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes. >> All right. Have a motion from John Nash. Do we have a second? >> Second. All
>> right. Any discussion? Any questions about what's in the minutes? >> Okay. All in favor say I. Any opposed? Who knows? All right. First agenda item is staff
report and updates. Um, do you want Frankie to go first? >> Um, no. I I can go over, you know, what I have um first and then um Frankie, you know, for questions. So Curtis, you handed out a few things
for us. >> I did. I did. So um I created this report and it just goes over the uh overview of the morning field and maritime and uh what we have going on and where we're at with certain things.
So um I just want to highlight highlight a few things that we have accomplished since the last time we have we have talked. and um what we have upcoming. So um we had so first first
things first morning ball 47 there was a wreck on that uh ball. It's been there for about a year now that is finally finally uh gone and removed. Um 1247 is
not back in order yet because uh that whole system got destroyed and removed with the wreck. So um we plan we have an RFP going out for the maintenance of the
moring field. So um once that gets assigned we have have the maintenance uh um uh done um they will install all all 47 back. Um
just a few updates. So um we installed the yellow special purpose buoys around the morning field. So um the entire morning all all three fields are have the yellow special purpose buoys labing
the morning field. Now um we are in build of our of our new boat right now. Um, and we have um we have paid for that 50% and we will pay for the other half at the end of the
bill. So, I'm excited about that. Um, expecting that probably to be done in probably another 3 to 4 months. We should have. Um, next is the dingy dot. The dot had just
got word are um the extensions to the pilings they just they just came in. They are decking the deck of the dingy dock right now. That'll be in the manufacturer's hands next week and by Friday I should have a
date of um of installation for the digging dock. So those are our our big items we have going on right now. Um
we have closed the debris removal um contract for the um for the canals. Um and we have uh submitted for uh reimbursement for that through uh through the FEMA program. So um
>> how much is that? >> That is estimated around I believe um I think just shy of under two million. >> Correct. >> 200,000. >> No, 2 million.
>> 2 million. Sorry. Is that just for um uh residential uh debris removal in the back in the water in the back bay or >> in in the canals? So we >> just the canal. So 2 million is to clean out the canals. >> Correct. Correct.
Um, and then also we are working for the coconut boat ramp to get that repaved. Um, we're in discussion about that right now. Um, um, so hopefully we can push that through as well. But, um,
>> does that 2 million include the removal of sunken and derelic and abandoned vessels? That does not include the >> No, no, this this is all from the storm from uh from the lean the Kina and Milton of last year
that that was from >> any idea how that compares to what we took out what we got reimbursed for a fraction? >> No, I do I do not I do not know the comparison to that. Okay.
And then um the uh myself, the town manager and the deputy town manager met with the CEO at the Coast Guard station uh about about two weeks ago. We talked about hurricane pre- readiness and along with um um
discussion about getting the um getting the six morning balls up front balls four through nine back into service. Um we have a new captain at the port uh at the sector. So um we're hoping we have a clean a clean a clean slate to be able
to get some movement on that. Um we're also um talking with Army Army Corps of Engineers um on some other projects to see if we can't bring that in at the same time to realign the channel. So uh we're kind of working our way through
that stuff right now, but get some headway moving moving soon. So >> um Yes, sir. So they were shut down by USCG, correct? But they can only be moved under approval of Army Corp of
Engineer. >> Um, no, it has to be come from approval of of the Coast Guard, but the Army Corps of Engineers will give the Coast Guard the information, surveys, >> okay, >> for that stuff. So, so it's really I
mean >> the Coast Guard's going to have the overall say, but the Army Corps is going to be involved in it as well. that the Coast Guard can approve and execute the move or give us permission to move it off. Yes, sir. >> Is there a sense of urgency on their
part to get this done? Any idea? >> Um, we we've expressed a little bit more urgency because, um, it's been a it's been a year since I talked to her about it, since I've been here about it. So, uh, she understands that, you know, kind of been kind of waiting waiting
patiently in a sense. So >> go ahead Sam. >> Do we have any kind of waiting list for the for the long ones can't fridge for those six? Do we have a waiting list for that or we still have some available? >> I I have some available. So what I do is I try to keep
a couple balls open um just for my vessels that can't get through the bridge and last minute reservations and that kind of thing. Um, so, um, but everything that can fit under the bridge, I push them I bust them through
the bridge. >> Yeah. I I have a broad question, Curtis, and maybe Frankie knows something about this as well as he's a lot of meetings. So, we just watched this documentary survival mode the other night. >> And and so I'm wondering, and I don't
claim to be an expert, but for those folks who are in the morning field when we have a storm coming, is our policy in terms of what we advise people to do going to change or is it stay the same? And is it based upon the type of storm that we
predict's coming? because sometimes you know people say that's a safe place to be but obviously with hurricane Ian it was a challenging place to be whereas hurricane Ian was an aberration but what as we come into hurricane season what what do you advise people to do who
might be at the field or just in general in the bay um so it doesn't matter what time of storm it is what you know if it's a one one or five right I recommend everybody that is staying in the morning field and and this really is for my
long-term people that are there, right, is to is to seek to seek better better shelter. I mean, you get out of here, go to label, up to the locks, somewhere that's that's a little, you
know, safer than there. But we are, yes, we are a safe haven. That's more for assets in the area that really can't move a long long distance or somebody gets themselves caught and has to you
know, come in at the last second. Um, so for a prime a prime example of uh of Tracy, his boat's very large. It's hard for him him uh to move it in a in a quick in quick notice. You know, he he
has his boat at a dock right now, but in time we he whenever a storm comes, he puts his boat out out on the morning field. Um, which is a safer place than than being
than being at a dock and getting getting beat up. So, um, hope that that answers your question. So, just for somebody who might be watching, are you recommending given what you said, if if somebody is in the marine field and and a hurricane is coming, should they stay on their
boat or should they get off their boat and get off the island? >> I would get off the boat, get off the island. I do not recommend anybody staying staying on their boat for a for a storm. >> That's a mandatory evacuation. If the town center evacuation, wouldn't the
Moringfield also be included? >> Yes, that all falls into just being like a resident in the in a house. It's all all the same. >> And then what if a bow I'm sorry, one more question. And if a boat actually gets taken off of the moring field and hits a house, is the town under any
obligation or any liability, if um someone chooses to keep their bow in the morning field and then a storm comes, they decide to stay in the morning field and the boat snaps the and something involving our equipment, the the ball or something snaps and the boat hits the
property. are is a town then liable for for any of liability on that. >> You may not know that. >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I I believe they are not. We So that would be the boats would be at their own own risk
staying on ball. Right. So if that happens in that event and they break loose, hit hits a house or something that that's going to be be between the insuranceances and the two owners. Correct me if I'm wrong because it's an act of God.
>> But uh per maritime law, the captain of the vessel is ultimately responsible for making a decision they chooses to move or not move. Um and anything that they do uh if it causes anything in pearl
with other vessels or with other property is between their insurance company and the other insurance company. So we now I'm not a lawyer and I'm going to say this but it's always traditional understanding for me captain of vessel
oftenly makes a decision if they move or don't move. We can advise them that we've heard weather uh patterns but again it's their responsibility to track the weather and to make sure that their vessel is always in its best uh for his
decision situations they choose. We can't make a move. Uh we can advise them to move, but it's a captain. >> Now, if we we have a hurricane for a threat and we see that it's going to come into our area, right? You know, a week out, days out, day, you know,
let's say like five or four or so days, right? We will we will send out an email to to all the voters in Morningfield advising them, hey, I recommend you to, you know, you know, pay pay attention to to the storm and to make the light ride
preparations. And my recommend my recommendation to them would be to vacate and to seek to seek better better shelter. >> But they don't have to. If they wanted to stay on their on the ball, they could. They do not have to because we
are considered a safe state safe animal. >> Is this the same sort of analogy that if you go to a hotel and something happens to your car out in the parking lot, it's your insurance. It's not the hotel's liability. >> Correct. Correct. >> I'm just trying to make it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I make it. Yes. Absolutely. You're correct. >> Okay. Other questions about boats and storms? Hopefully no storms. Except for this little rain.
Anyone else, Curtis? I believe that's it for now. If y'all have any questions on the overview that I that I submitted, please, you know, have more questions, please ask. >> Do you want to take us through this or do you want Frankie to go next?
>> Um, no. No. I can I can take you through this. So, um this is kind of the Curtis one question. >> Yes. >> Um in the laundry facilities at Kansas, uh are the lock is the washers and dryers are they like coin operated?
>> They're coin operated. Yes, sir. >> Okay. And then how does the shower facilities work in there? >> Um they just connected like a bathroom or how does that work? >> Yes, it's a it's a bathroom and shower all together. this one. There's there's actually two units. So, um but it's all
all together. A shower and a bathroom in one one building. >> Okay. And then the laundry area is is a separate room. >> It's a separate room. Yes, sir. It's behind the mat and pool. >> Do you know what they have for uh washers and dryers
in there? >> What do you mean? Yeah, there's two washers and two. Are they 60 lb? Are they 30 lb? So, there's two washers, two dryers. >> Okay. >> They're smaller. They're not like your your units that you have um at your
house. It's kind of the little >> apartment size ones. >> Correct. Correct. >> Okay. >> Is there a reason you're going to do your laundry? >> I just thought it'd be really It would look really weird if I went in there to, you know, inspect the showers. So, I
just thought it'd be better if I just asked. >> There you go. You're actually really nice. I was just saying this morning. Yeah. Very nice. >> Okay, >> Jennifer approved. >> I do approve. I do have a question for you >> um in regards to the uh boat ramps. Um
the where are we at with that? >> So um so where we're at right now, we are waiting for approval for the town to move forward on the um and see if we we can afford to get the coconut boat ramp done. So, we're starting with the
Coconobo ramp first. Um, I know that Myar needs to be resurfaced and regraveled as well. Um, I just used Myar to pull our yellow special purpose buoys down. It's a little bumpy, but I mean, it's still in workable shape. You know,
it's more so the gravel up top, but the actual slab itself down there is in great shape. >> No, it's not. I mean, we've had I've talked to several people who are having a lot of difficulties with it. It's actually really unsafe, too. I've seen two people trip. So, that needs to be
addressed immediately before we find ourselves in trouble. Um, the Myiramar needs to be resurfaced and redraveled. Is it going to be just regraveled? Cuz I think that was the graveled area, not so much the surface area was affected by
the hurricanes as much as the the gravel got washed away. And so I think that's where we've got all the issues with >> Yeah. >> Right. But I'm talking about once you So it backs up. So you have that.
>> So you have a pole the pole there. You go down. That's where all the gravel's washed out and it's bumped. You have the grate right there too where that all needs to be grappled in. But you get down the slab itself >> is good.
>> Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't know what you mean by tripping and that kind of thing. I mean, yes, there is there is there is algae on it and stuff like that, but every boat >> No, I'm talking about where gravel is. That's where all the poth Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about. That that needs to be redone.
Yes, I'm in agreeance with you there. But, but the actual slab where the boat goes into the slab, the concrete that goes into the water, that appears pretty pretty solid. So, um, but yes, um, >> got to go. >> Yeah, I got to go see the town manager.
>> We're working on the gravel and everything right now, where we need to be with that. So, um, you know, to push all this through, it's been a lot with the town manager and getting getting acclimated and other needs going on right now. So, um, I'm just waiting on
work to be able to push all this through. >> Excuse me, one more question. Yes, sir. Lav facilities. >> Yes. That's obviously that's not open to the public. That's just open to our >> field guest and the guest.
>> Okay. So, let me make this clear. So, the so the showers and the restrooms and the laundry facilities. Um those are those are only open to the to the people who stay and pay for the morning field
in in our in our auto mall. So, it's not open to the public. might have a code to get in. Um, now I well the laundry facilities obviously we rent that from a team, right? So it's that's actually their
units, right? But but our our people staying staying on the morning wall have have access to that. But I mean there's a charge with it. It's like you know 225 to use or something like that.
>> Okay. So each pay a monthly fee for those facilities. The town >> say >> the town pays a monthly rent. >> Those are our upland upland facilities. >> Okay. >> And that's ran through the Kansas. >> And then the location of the bathrooms
and laundry facilities. Is that close to an area that the boers can dock or do they have to dock at like the Dane dock and then carry all their belongings with them? >> Correct. Correct. It's just right up from the Have you been down there? It hasn't changed. It's been there from for
a while now. So, um but yeah, it's just up. So, if you get up, if you dock if you dock at the dingy dock, you you're going to be directly under the bridge on that first in that first parking lot. You're going to cross Crescent Crescent Street. You're going to go into the
second parking lot. Um, our trailer's going to be on the right hand side and then to the left it's going to be the blue buildings and it's under under um it's on the bottom floor. These are the restrooms are on the bottom floor of a matanis building.
>> 500 yards something like that. >> Yeah. >> From the dog. >> Yeah. I'd say probably about 200. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But then the laundry facilities are are are across the street and they are directly
behind the Matanda pool right there. >> Okay. And then the revenue is made off the washers and dryers. That's obviously that's the town's money. >> What do you mean say that? >> Well, they're coin operated, >> right? >> So there's a bunch of coins in there.
We're renting the facility. >> Yeah. That doesn't that goes to maintenance. >> So they get >> they don't recoup that money. >> Okay. So they get the rent and they also get the any proceeds >> from >> from the machines. >> Correct. Yes, they do.
>> We also keep our boats back there at the end of their dock as well. >> They do what? I'm sorry. >> Boats. We house our boats at the end of their dock. That's where we tie up our vessels, the pumpout boat and the pontoon right now. >> Okay. >> They charge us for that. >> Uh yes, that's part of the agreement
that we have with them. Um, are those things clearly marked for the voters? Do they know exactly where they are and where to go? Is there like a little map on our Yes. >> Yes. So, we we we installed a new welcome sign and map down in the
morning field. Um it has it has the directions and a chart that show all the facilities within the area and and um and um uh you know how to how to access them and get to them and everything. So
um our directions I had a lot of the lot of that questions when I first started but you know the season. So that's something that I we wanted to clean up and make it a little bit easier for them. Curt Curtis um and you may have
addressed this the funding uh for runs being repaired being repaired. Is that been approved? Is that again for what pending? >> The boat ramp repair. >> Yes. >> Is all the funding there for that or
not? >> We're waiting for that. That's the biggest problem that I'm having right now. The town has to funds for that. nor are they are there any uh especially coconut they're not any in any any um
no we cannot push them through through FEMA or anything like that because it was already it was a manmade ramp prior yeah so we'll see we correct to say the um the budget for that is pending
correct yes it go back to the >> Yes, we go back to the uh to the revenue side of things and everything. So, um so as you requested um you wanted a little bit of numbers and everything um what we do. So I had the last for the last two
months we had the number of res reservations that we've received. Um >> hold on just a second. So number of reservations is that the number of individual reservations or reservation days? >> That is reservation dates or nights.
>> Okay. So you divide that by however many votes. >> Okay. >> Correct. >> All right. And is that cumulative? So is that just for June and July or does that some people bled over between?
>> Some people bled over in between. I mean, we're always because I have people that are in the morning field year round and they they live out there. >> So, are they double counted then? >> Um, shoot. >> I'm going to have to get back to you on
that% sure about that. These are a lot of these numbers we pulled from DACA and that that tracks all that for us. So, um I still got some homework to do to get the We even got a reservation case
available. >> Yeah. >> Soide by 30 and then divide 11 balls by 240. >> Yeah. >> So yeah, I mean I guess I go through your spiel and then we can then we can
talk about where we would like to see the numbers. >> So sorry. >> No, no, no. You're fine. You're fine. So, um the month of June we did um >> like the bot bottom looks like that's
that's um >> these are the nights down here at the bottom for and this this is how many how many nights we had boats on for each for each size moing, right? So, um obviously our biggest number is going to be in the
40footers. Um and then um if you go back up top for June, June, July, the revenue, this is what we are, this is our net, this is what we're taking. This is what the town is receiving
um after each month. So the 21,000 and 17,000 and that's after all of our processing fees and everything. >> So the revenue is actual to that month. >> Correct. But what may not be actual are
sort of these number of reservations days because they could have more in them than >> Yeah. And I was kind of going off of what GL had received from the old regime and I pulled that. So I was trying to mimic that and um you know
I still have some work to do on those numbers. But I mean really what I was more concerned for y'all is getting the revenue. So, um, and then the and then I did the I did the, um,
down here at the bottom graph where it has the numbers for each ball. I know that that was a big profit last time we had our meeting. Um, and then I know that y'all wanted to know how many how many more balls were or or how many
votes were on were on each ball. every day. So I kept track through March all the way to July and I just had a calendar so I know how many votes we had on each ball every day through March
until now. So um I pass this along if you want to see them um and kind of see the pattern and the consistency of where we're at. So um but I know how y'all want me to put this into
this and showing, you know, every day have a, you know, have one through 30 and have them, you know what I mean? I don't know if that's too much data or what what y'all want to do. Or I could before, you know, I start emailing these out, scanning these and
emailing these out once you have have the have the numbers. But, um, I'm looking for this is kind of what I came up with. I'm kind of looking for constructive criticism and ideas to how we can make this a little bit better. So, I want to
put my notes and everything here >> together for y'all instead of just verbally. >> Um, and um I can start emailing this out before, >> you know, the meeting as well. Let me make one statement and then I'll let my Excel my spreadsheet my my occupancy
guys talk. I mean I think what we're trying to understand is what is our opportunity at the Morfield? What occupancy do we have today? Um and what size of boat is sort of in our sweet spot and then understand you know once
we get the new balls online we can handle some of these bigger boats. Correct. Um, so sort of like occupancy, opportunity, and revenue. Those are sort of the three big things for me. But how you guys want to see it, I mean, I think how we used to see it
when uh when Austin put it together was pretty handy, but there's probably many many ways to slice this. So, you're our um >> you're you're a guy with historical perspective. So, what do you think, Ted?
Um, in the past we were able to say on June the 4th there were x number of ball uh boats in the thing and June 5th they're x number in and that way you got an average for the month. Now just
adding the length of the boats. I don't know where that's in the data and how he might come up with it and whether this data for length is the length available at the buoy or the length of the boat in
that on that. >> So this is this is for um not the size of the vessel but each vessels we have on our 40ft moorings or 50ft moings not the vessel size.
>> Correct. Correct. >> Um, but I'm not going to put So, yeah, we'll we'll get a 30 30 foot vessel in, but they're going to go to a 40ft one. I don't have anything >> anything else even smaller for that.
>> Another question. Does >> I I'm just not familiar with this, but So, does that mean like a almost like if you have a camper, you have a bigger space to is a 50 foot bigger space? >> Correct. Correct. So, so I have I have
so >> every moing ball in the field I have a certain number rated for certain certain size vessels. So I have you know 40 foot moorings, 50T moings, 50, 70. Um, I only have a couple 80s.
>> Obviously, I have uh my 40 and 50footers are the most or that hold the morning balls that hold 40 40 to 50 foot vessels are the most
in the morning field, right? Um because I say most average size vessel we get is anywhere from 30 foot to 50 foot you know um 60footers and 70s they I I give more so those during during the season but also
if I'm giving it a big a big a big trwler right and it has a lot of tonnage I'm going to put them on a bigger board you know so they have >> so they can hold better and stuff like that sort of sort of questions Again, Mini Cooper, we're going to put it on
the 40. That big heavy duty super truck, we're going to put it on the >> correct. Correct. >> Hopefully, we can pull the figures from Dqua. You could have some kind of formula. You could just pull these figures from Dwa. >> Yeah. >> But all all these numbers are pulled are
pulled from from DACA is my only system that I have to generate these numbers. I don't have anything else that's doa. So, um I I Kurt gave me a preview. >> Okay. >> So, you hold up the one month sheet so
people know what I'm talking about. So, uh he's doing the amount of vessels on the amount of balls on any given day. You can you can say >> my question is is it necessary or is there any value in breaking it down to
the size of vessels? >> I don't see it, Ted. Do you see it? I I didn't originally think that. I don't know who brought it up to the time, but I I I think that could go. I I unless there's too much competition for
available. Is there a great competition available for the sizable balls? >> Um I got more so competition for the front field. More so not even the ball size. the front field, its location a lot of
the times and for the vessels that come in for my sailboats that have a mass greater than greater than 65. Um, and there is competition for being closest to the dingy dump. So numbers
20 through I'd say through halfway through the through the second field. So going into like almost a 40, right? Those are the most popular spots, right? >> Do the fees reflect the the >> No, it's one spot.
>> It's all So, it doesn't matter where they are. >> Correct. But that is the most competitive. Everybody wants wants those those front those front spots. Um, now I'll leave two spots in the front open
for my weekend people and stuff like that, but majority like my long-term residents will have priority up there because they're the ones that come and go. Some of them have jobs and stuff like that that that come and go more so
than your average, you know, uh, you know, cruiser, looper, somebody coming in coming in from. I have a proposal. >> Yes, sir. >> The what we need and what we have is a
much longer uh conversation than we should be having in this meeting. I'm wondering if it would be possible to meet someday for an hour and figure out first what's feasible to get for the day
and the second is to arrange that into uh a report. In other words, we all have different ideas, but I think we all know where we want to get done. And the biggest problem is get so you can do it
physically. I mean, not to be a a pain, and I don't think we can figure that out in this form, but that's just a fault. Uh, and I'm sure that someone >> So, I think until we have anything to that, when we have that, I mean, great,
agree with that 100%. until we get to that point. Can we agree with what Curtis is putting together, the amount of vessels per day and then a summary at the end the month on that he's done already the size of vessels broken down for the month. I find those two very
useful. >> This isn't exactly accurate as I understand it because there's >> the bottom part. >> No, the bottom part is is very accurate. these numbers up top I need to get understand
better understanding of what's here >> right >> this part at the top >> yeah it's good it's a general idea but there's we need mass >> so you can see for for the pump outs and stuff like that the 90 and the 55 I mean
obviously you can tell us you know dropping off a little bit there and everything like that and then the um >> so those are actual numbers you 90 >> yes so can I kind of changed what I was saying because that's a very good point.
We um ask Courage to continue with this report as he has and to uh add to it. We've already created the amount of vessels per day so we can keep track of the trends on on Wednesdays better than Thursdays versus Fridays versus you know
first week in the month, second week, second week in the month and such. I think those two reports until we go beyond that um don't have a point. He says that >> No, he hasn't said he he's just >> Can you pass Can you just pass one
around real quickly? Um I think it's extremely >> So the things that we find of value are occupancy by day. >> So these are these are the number of balls I have on on the day. >> That's perfect. Okay. I didn't see that.
>> So that's July. That's why I was asking like do you want me to create those numbers? that was >> in a report but I'm saying Mike I would have to do Excel spreadsheet it'll be 30 days and you know create something with that
>> so so that what's what he's doing here we continue with something different and I think that fulfills a lot of information >> and that fixes the overlap of your >> press can you finish occupancy by day >> occupancy by day size of vessel
um revenue and then And that leads us to have some insights into opportunity and who we've got are using the boarding field the most and what sort of you know time of the year we might want to have some special or something to do.
>> Is that the whole goal of why >> the the question of science is that correct? No, no. He he not by day, but by at the end of the month, you know, I don't think the size every day is as important to have the summary. >> Okay.
>> All right. I I like that. And then another thing, Chris, I'd like to say is that'll give us an opportunity to focus promotion, >> right? >> And and see who we're marketing to or who we should be. >> Exactly. So, you know, that leads me to
the question that remember uh Jim, I think you might have brought it up that the Marinas um were wondering if we were in competition with them. And I think when we understand who our real audience is, that gives us the opportunity to say, you know, we're complimentary.
Here's what we're doing. Here's what you're doing. You're serving these types of vessels. We're serving these types of vessels who are here for this time period. >> I think that's a fair point. It was just one marine operator. >> Yeah. >> Who was just sort of >> throwing it out there. >> Spitballing.
>> Yeah. >> If you will >> and but yes, that's that's your point is well taken. >> And you're correct. I think these numbers is where you start to be able to speak very accurately about what we are doing versus what their capabilities
are. >> So I don't know the best way about having that secondary meeting. I because we, you know, we'll have to call a special meeting if >> I have a recommendation. >> Oh, go for it, Curtis. >> So,
we kind of think about this and see if you know I'll I'll show you approval with the town and stuff like that, but I hope we have like work. It's not like a central work, but have y'all come down to the morning field >> and I can take y'all out of the ponto
people. Um, and I can show you the morning field, show you what kind of boats are. I can have y'all set up. We have a picnic table outside. I'll set up Docka, show you DOCA and how that's ran and everything. So, we have kind of a better understanding of how process
works. I can show you the upland facilities. I'll show you what the Kansas gives us. I'll show you where the docks so we all have the same picture and vision, you know. Um, and we can sit on a block for an hour or two to do all that, you know. That would be great. I have a question. Do that's not a public,
right? You can't just go in and get the information that you printed out or you can. Okay. >> So, do so I have the side of DACA that the customers use and the side that we run are two
different are two different platform well I mean I wouldn't say platforms but two different sides to it. Right. So, we're the admin side and because um actually when I went on vacation with my family, I used DA to rent a slip for my boat. So, I was on the other end of it
>> and that was kind of uh some good knowledge and stuff need to have to see what kind of they see and stuff like that. So, >> what knowledge do you see in DACA that we wouldn't see? Well, it's just it's I want to say knowledge, but it well, I
mean knowledge for me, but more so h how they have to operate through it on their side rather than how I operate through it on my side. >> What their experience is on the front end, >> correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> Can I just see one thing about your idea? >> Yes, sir. >> U from a Sunshine Law standpoint. >> Okay. And from a PR standpoint, I might recommend that our wonderful action cameraman over there come with us
because I can tell you after the storm when I used to do these little series key questions with key staffers, that was when we went out on the morning field and kind of toured around that was the most by far heavily watched program. And if you took us out and kind of gave us a tutorial on camera as we were
basically meeting. The only challenge would be if the public came, would they come on the boat or not? >> Well, we could have them in a separate meeting. >> No, no, it has to be a public meeting. So, so we'd have to kind of think through that with our lawyers. Well, that's what I I said, I'm I'm going to
run it through the town, make sure we're with it, Paul. And >> we would notice it and we would let him know that we would be filming it. And uh uh but I just think and and it would be sort of particularly when you talk about how to sign up with DACA and all the things that would be interesting to
somebody who's sort of new to this and maybe exploring our I mean the junkies out there, they love this content, >> right? >> And especially to see the boring field, hear you opine about it, have us ask questions. It's I was shocked at how many views that got. So I think that's I
love the concept to get around the sunshine dynamic. We might be able to just actually have an acreage advisory committee meeting >> on location. >> Okay. Okay. >> Just food for thought. >> Well, if it's video, but I I will I will talk with the town
with um um our lawyers and see how we can make this happen. Um cuz I think it's good for all of us to so y'all y'all can see everything. So it's good to put eyes on what we're talking about and you know so I can have y'all kind of
advise me stuff >> so we can paint the picture better. Can I ask one? I have a simple question. Try to get me back into this conversation a little bit. >> When it says revenue for June,
is that revenue that was that the Morfield raised in the month of June? >> Correct. Correct. >> This guy's been here since May. So, this is strictly for June. Both of these numbers >> money that
the morning field raised in the revenue for June is that number right there. >> Yeah. $21,439.70 is what it does to the towns. >> Thank you. >> 17 for July.
>> Correct. >> Does it get the fees and then this is this is after all the processing fees and everything. The process fees are what we pay. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um >> the
go somewhere else. >> If someone pays the 4 months in a row, do they pay it that way or do they pay it monthly? >> So, um the longest reservation that I can take is 6 months.
I I can book six months right from one from one reservation, right? But I rarely do that to paid what six months >> they have to pay up front. >> Six months if they make if they make that. So
>> how does that go into the revenue? >> So it's separated by month by month. So So So >> yeah, >> but I don't really get get that. I don't get a six-month reservation. The main reservation we get is monthto month just like the rent and stuff like that. So
it's it's um so a lot of the reservations people that are staying here for a long period of time they just extend we extend their reservation each month. So this is this number is everything is is is what
we brought in for that for that month. >> Yeah. And paid for that month not for two months. >> Correct. Correct. It's all done by the month. Yes. >> Okay. remember where I was going to go. You um so when you look at the June revenue >> Yes.
>> Have you had an opportunity or thought of looking at year to year like comparing June of this year to June of last year or the year before or anything like that? Have you had an opportunity to do that yet? >> I have. I know our numbers right now of where we're at are a little bit greater
than what we were a couple years ago. So be you safe to say that we're up. Um yeah, I would like so I well I would say occupancy right I think we're up which which will >> reflect our right
>> but also you al also have to think of this too right I think a lot of the numbers I was looking at as well this is before we had the third the front field as well so now I have more balls you know >> right but didn't we have a small uh
grand this year. >> Yes, >> that's more so from for for the daily rate which I get a lot of that more of the daily rates will happen more um during during the season and stuff like
that but um our monthly rate is roughly roughly around the same time. >> So to your point I would like to add a couple of columns to this as much as we could. Can we have comparison for the
last two or so years this revenue number just so that we can you know kind of keep track of how are we doing? Are we getting back to you know like pre Ian sort of things or are we still struggling?
Curtis, I yes believe I know the answer to this question, but just for the record, we charge the same amount for all the walls, right? We don't charge amount for a bigger wall. It's same amount for each. Yes. Yes,
sir. And I understand that's been a concern and stuff like that or we've discussed you know further on that um you know maybe you know charging each size ball for different and stuff um which that's
something down the road but right now I think with getting back in the swing of things I feel like we well would be just a one. So all the balls are are capable of holding the largest um vessel.
>> No, >> but they're >> different. >> No, I meant that the weight of the vessel each ball can handle >> the weight of any vessel. >> No. So like I said each for the morning
for the morning numbers for the balls meaning it will hold a 40ft vessel and then I have 50 foot morning that will hold 50T vessels greater >> when the price increase boat >> we've talked about that it's not
necessarily best practice for others to do it that way >> I mean bigger room I totally get it we talked about prices by location or by boat size, but that's not necessarily something that we found. >> But like I said, like you know, I'll
have I'll have 30 foot vessels that I have to put on 40 and I'll have 40 and stuff like that. So we talk about the difference >> we're just >> Is there more maintenance with the
larger balls or the is there is the same maintenance? >> I don't think there's a weight difference. It's the swing. >> Well, not necessarily. My my balls up front because it's it's deeper up there, right? and they can hold 80 foot
vessels. So that system is is larger. My my shackles are long longer. I have double double pins going down. So there are bigger systems. Yes. But for the majority of the systems um
past the bridge and the um I'm a second second and third field are are all the same all the same systems and then and then that'll go like Sam said the swing swing radiuses. So really
my the front fielder got to be your stronger systems for my bigger size vessels. bigger size muscles are all in the front field. That makes sense. So really the systems that are that are going to see the leap
is going to be the 70 and the 80 foot the 80ft systems. The 40 the 40 to the 60s are roughly roughly the same. So talking budget, >> okay, >> we're getting ready to go into your budget hearings for correct
>> for 2026. And is the fiscal year October? Is that when it starts or started January? October. >> Yeah. October. >> So what does the Moringfield budget look like for 2026? What is the do you have a number for
more field operations that we think >> but I have not seen those numbers yet so it's still approval we're getting pushed through through right now um and I should have had Frankie talk first I apologize I I now my own
man I should have had him go first so that was I apologize on that um but um he was kind of the one that was trying to explain all that because I had not been brought to on that. >> Just by just by way of information, you you watch social media. Frankie, I'm
sorry, Joe, our finance director, alluded to the a loss for the Marine Field uh at the hearing on at the meeting on Monday and and there was a lot of extrapolation of that on social media. uh glass half full folks uh shock
the uh so so what Frankie was going to do today is explain why we were at a loss because of numerous infrastructure investments and that we are on a path to be in much better shape going forward but these unique infrastructure
investments created this one-time loss that the rates are built in to hopefully recover that going forward correct me if I'm wrong but That's what he told me before he was going to explain today. So hopefully we'll have a chance to do it. >> In that law in that large deficit number
um and it's roughly my knowledge it's roughly the same of when we brought in Joe a couple months ago and stuff like that. So that deficit number looks bad, right? um just like Vice Mayor said, but
um it's expenses that we paid up front that we're getting reimbured from FEMA like the Di Dock is involved in that. Um the new boat um I believe the the new warning systems are still
involved in that. So So you know um and also with the yellow special purpose, stuff like that. Those are numbers into that big big deficit number which will be that number's going to start dwindling down with the reimbursement money and stuff that we we're going to
be getting. >> The Moringfield budget that that um he brought it doesn't reflect that though in the itemized annual budget. did a big chunk of the budget was 323,652
and under the budget line item grouping it's personal salary benefits work workers comp. So it doesn't reflect that on this list that it's the new dingy dock and things. So that's where I'm maybe some people are getting confused.
>> There's definitely confusion under it's it's legitimate confusion. I guess the the implic are inferring that we're in a lot worse shape than we actually are based upon the incomplete information that we shared on Monday. I'm hopeful Joe on Thursday will be able to give us
a little bit more detail, but certainly at the budget hearings in August or September uh there'll be much more detail and much more granular detail. >> So this is inaccurate. >> I I just think it's incomplete. >> Oh, incomplete. I I think the problem one of the problems is it's marine
operations and then there's the orange field which is part of that and we have struggled I think to get a good accounting of what portion of a big budget really needs to be revenue neutral from the boring field portion. So I would love to be able to get that
sort of granularity so that when we look at these revenues we go yeah we're going to we're going to meet that >> and to add to >> and so we're going to get that from from Frankie >> we were we were we were today at least some extent but but I think what also happened was just as Joe is beginning to
get his head around our world he left >> and and now he's back so I think he's got a little catching up to do he just started on August 1st so hopefully we'll get some more marine operations use Mariar as Isn't that what it's called? That's by your house.
>> The street. >> Yes. >> Well, Jennifer, >> oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were talking to me. I'm sorry. >> Oh, that's okay. >> Yes, that's on my street. So the Morenfield uh revenues
I think what Chris Chairman King is getting at Chairwoman King are our revenues paying for marine. Well, I think the question >> such as repairing that ramp or the one on Coconut
>> or or maintaining the mountain house, you know. >> So, our revenue is going to cover um mainly our our expenses of the morning field, right? And that will go into the budget, but and it also covers our salaries >> portion of the salaries that are
applicable to that because I think where we get, you know, confused and messed up is, you know, property taxes or the taxes that people pay. They pay for services and some of the services that are under marine operations are the canal, you know, pulling debris out of
the canals and fixing the boat ramps and >> more stuff. Maritime stuff. So there's sort of that maritime stuff and then there's the morning field specifically and again I say we struggle to get the exact numbers and so people are like the
morning field is losing money. Well, no, it it really Yeah, it hasn't been occupied as much as it was before Ian or we're getting to that point. Correct. And if we can have a number that we're supposed to hit, then we can tell people, look, here's how much it costs
to operate the field and here how much the Morning Group is bringing in, and if there's a deficit, then we figure out how we >> even for even for staffing and wages and that I mean, I don't know what percentage of time spent, you know,
during operations, but I I guess it's a pretty fair amount, you know, and all and your staff and all of that. All your wages are paid through the morning field budget. In the past, in the past, they allocated
hours to different budgets. And so, Harbor Master in the past, some of his wages were allocated to other things. I don't know whether they're still doing that or not. >> Right. So I know that that that our setup and our structure for for the
morning field for my office and division is a little bit different of how it ran back in the day. So um I know that they pulled from PW and stuff like that prior. Um so now it's all underfield
marine marine division. Um and so I know that revenue that we incur is helps pay for for that for our for our salaries and the expenses. Now I know that certain things are not covered under
that like you know uh the boat ramp and stuff like that. You know a lot of the stuff they wanted us to seek like grants and other things to help to help the state. And I mean I do apologize right now. you know, I'm still learning and getting trying to get dive deep in this
stuff. Um, is hard um sometimes to get the knowledge and the understanding. Um, some of the meetings and financials are left out. So, I'm I'm only exposed to certain parts which I'm trying to push myself into that more. So, um, you know, I'm still trying to wrap my head around
it. It make makes sense and see what we can do. But I think, um, Chairman Keith, you kind of hit it on the head. We're still trying to, you know, figure out, you know, how it's how our how our money is generated out to other
things. And, you know, I I don't know if we should be combining some of these projects into the budget and for that to be a deficit for the morning field altogether. You know what I mean? Um, because I think it's I think that number shows a lot worse than how we're
planning. I mean, it's hard to say that we're revenue neutral, as is our premise, correct, when >> we don't know what that number is that we're supposed to hit, >> on slightly different subject, Mr. Vice Mayor. >> Yes, sir. >> Budgeting is in September.
>> Yes, sir. >> So, we usually give you our incidental one live item. Um, what would you like when would you like a deadline for us to give give that to the council so we >> Well, Sam, that's a great question. I
think that's probably this next meeting. >> Uh, I would I I think at this point we should probably give some indication to our harbor master today so he can give that to Joe to build into his formulaic process. So
whether they're giving each advisory committee a budget again this year, I I assume they are, but I have not heard that affirmed, but I assume they are. So I think giving some indication as to what we might need for those type of purposes. Uh I think giving giving that
today would be great. That way he could take that back to the mothership. We request that with a form of promotion or >> I think should we do have you know we already should have a surplus because we had money left over from our event.
>> Does that roll over? >> No, it rolls over. >> Well, because it was a donation. It wasn't a budget that the town gave us. specific donations or >> I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about the there's just a line on the on
the town budget. It's a line item for hundreds notous but it was >> we didn't have any problem. >> So our remainder according to my record is $1,577.36.
So that's from donation >> that was from our donations for the >> So that for the cruiser so it should go. Did you hear that J? >> What was the circle? >> $1577.36. >> That's pretty good.
>> So the reason we we usually had that item was in case we got rained out of our we had a uh we had a a deficit on our on our cruisers appreciation day. But if we have that left over to
>> is it is it the will of the committee then instead of asking for a special line item appropriation for the purposes that the vice chair referenced or would it be better for to make a motion to just to claim the surplus that already exists so it could be utilized next year
by the acreage advisory committee. That way we have a motion giving the budget or the finance director at least some notice that we've got a surplus here and we're we're claiming it for next year. I think that might be helpful so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. If you >> I would make a motion that we claim the
surplus in an additional $500 to be budgeted so that we're at about the $2,000 range which is pretty much what we spent this year. >> Yeah, I'll second that. >> So Hold on. So, so you're so you're
saying that you you're thinking you think the town gives us the five $500. >> You're asking for it. Okay. Cuz I know for the for the we thought that we thought for the special event for the for the cruisers that they were going to
that they that they budgeted us a certain amount of money for each advisory committee and we found out that that was not the case. We had to ask permission for that. So, um, and I don't know if that's in this new 26 budget or not for the for the committees, you
know, that hasn't >> I guess still in the process of being approved. >> So, restate your motion. motion. >> The the motion was that we retain the 1,500 and odd dollars that we have and
we asked the council for an additional $500 to be appropriated to the anchorage committee for the purposes of the cruisers appreciation. >> And I second that. >> And just a point of clarification, uh uh
Mr. over. Would would you be comfortable if that $500 in terms of how the budget is allocated comes from the proceeds of the boring field? >> That would be wonderful if you could. >> All right. Beautiful. Excellent. So that way we're not really even asking for any
general funds and we're asking for be able to utilize the proceeds because it is a promotional event for the Mory field. So it's not like it's not related. So it's all good. >> Do I need to phrase that? >> I don't know. I mean I I think it's important that Joe knows. Yeah,
>> let me understand this. So, you're saying, All right. So, what proceeds? >> He's he's reserving the surplus that the acreage advisory committ is already 1500, but he's asking for an additional $500. >> All right. >> But in a perfect world, we'd like to see that come from the proceeds generated by
the Moringfield and not from general revenue from the from the town. >> So, from the field, >> so not from property taxes. You're so out of my budget. You want me to pay the 500 to give it to is what you're saying, right? >> Our budget.
>> Well, yeah. He has to produce that much more to balance his budget with the end of the year. >> That's right. That's right. >> The heck out of those coin operating laws, >> unlike we have a revenue source. We have a we have a we have an entity that generates revenue just like the mouth to
some extent. Although >> they don't generate enough to make a >> to break even. >> Is that amendable to you, Curtis? >> Yeah, we should be fine. >> Okay. So, we had a motion. We have a
second. Any further discussion? >> All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> I think just for those who are listening, I think Frankie was going to explain why that's actually possible. People say, "How could you do that when you're running a massive deficit?" I think Frankie was going to explain that
the deficit was one-time expenditures and that structurally were sound. I don't want to speak for him, but I think he was going to present something to that effect. >> Okay. Wow. Um Curtis, anything else that you wanted to
share with us? Um, no, I think that's that's good for right now. Um, questions, but >> All right. >> We'll be good. We haven't done a meeting
this month, too. So, >> we do we do August 25th. >> August August 25th. That's our regularly scheduled regular meeting. >> We don't know. We don't have a location yet for that meeting. Probably it's
probably going to be here again. I would think >> and I will find out the night before if I can be at that meeting or not because I I'm called for jury meeting that day. >> Okay. Do you want to see? Okay. >> So, how would that Sam step in or how
would we do that? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And John Mly will not be at that meeting. >> Is that meeting necessary though? >> I know it's not. Well, I mean, I would like to have it um just to keep conversation going, but maybe it does
make sense to wait until after the first budget hearing. >> Madam Chair, I thought the purpose of the the second meeting had to do with um discussion of >> for lack there was the purpose of the
church. It did um because we did not have a meeting in June because we had all kinds of vacations and because everybody was off in July that's why we have two meetings in August. So I mean I guess my question is will you know Curtis Frankie whomever
be ready on the 25th to talk about vision about budget about roles and responsibilities so we can have a conversation and I would really like to be here for that and I don't know if I will. I would just given your interest in
advocacy over the last year to better organize our razone dietra of this committee and our purpose it seems like it would be great to have you there for that in a perfect world which we don't live in you there
>> okay so I don't know if we move it to early September then and have two meetings in September still not going to What does August 20th look like? >> August 20th. >> I know for a fact there's an opening in this room on the 20th at noon
>> because >> because another meeting was cancelled. >> The MURF meeting is on August 20th here from 10 to 12. FYI
20th. >> Oh, no. I take that back. It said 13th. Never mind. August 20th at noon. I could do it for a good hour and a half. >> What day of the week is >> Wednesday? >> All right. Should we follow with Lette
then and try and get that schedule? >> Let's do that. Let's everybody's good. >> And are you gone? I can't tell you at this point because I may
maybe on my way to Miami and fly out. >> What time did you say? >> I said noon, but I mean just didn't expect to get >> that works for me in between meetings. So noon.
>> Yeah. Wednesday, August 20. Okay. >> I certainly would confirm it. >> Okay. >> If I can or can't. >> Make a motion to change that. >> Um >> just change it. >> In in this meeting, you want
specifically um about the the vision of the morning field, the budget, um the revenue purpose of of a stuff. You want me get Frankie to give >> you guys for that >> granularity from the budget that's going to be proposed that can help us
understand what exactly is attributed to the morning field and what's attributed elsewhere so that we understand how we can help it be revenue neutral. That's great. >> And if you bring Joe he's not busy. >> Yeah. Well, and then um maybe you could tell him that he
could have the very first few minutes of the meeting if you want to come for just the five or 10 minutes. >> I'm not sure Joe can do it for five or 10 minutes. >> Um I don't schedule for him. So it's not
working. >> Yeah. So then we can, you know, go through kind of this comparison of responsibilities that I sent out and look at what things we actually want to move forward because Curtis and Frankie will be updating an ordinance and it
would be nice to update things all at the same time. Jennifer, you're perplexed. >> I'm freezing. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm focusing. >> Yeah. Okay. Member items.
Any member items, Jennifer? >> Uh, really just uh that um uh I don't know if you know you all know this, but the um Jackie Liz has now uh we have uh water monitoring at the mouth house. I'm not sure if you're all aware, but I just
wanted to let you all know. And what happens because of that? What does that mean? Well, I you can go to the website and also um MURF I'm printing out I just received another 2300 to print out
um another 15,000 uh children's uh Fort Myers Beachtown book. So on the back we'll have QR codes and we'll have the water quality. It tests for the water quality back in the back bay and they're uh alongside AC water. So, it's an
interesting they'll have a on the back of the book you have a QR but I think even they have a sign now maybe with a QR that you can go and it'll take you to the website and and you can see you know the quality of our water is back there. I believe that's the only water testing
continuous water testing area there is. I know periodically people come around the island and do water testing, but this will be a This is huge. It's really important to know what our water is like back there.
>> Yeah, John. >> I Sam. >> Um, just a couple things. Um, did everybody see survival that was talking about? >> Did not. You should you should watch half of it was on a house and half of it
was on Anchorage and the guy's got an unbelievable film. >> Where's my network? >> It's called mode third episode >> and they come here to Fort They came here to Fort Mar.
>> Was it about Ian? >> Is it all about Ian? It's a whole hour long sque. >> Oh, is this about where the bow almost hit the house? >> It's a compilation. >> Yeah, all that. And then heard people. Yeah, you need to watch it. It's great.
You can get if you have peacock, it's fine. Peacock. >> But I don't like watching those things, you know? It brings me back. I have >> PTS. But they they it's it's good. >> It's a story. It's a story and they end it on a high note at the end.
We're not going to have any more hurricanes. >> No, not like that. You You got to watch it. I'm not You'll You'll like it. I will say zero person. You like it. >> The other thing is since we're getting ready to dred just for town just a recommendation to town council. Kal is
doing hundreds of miles. They just I think are setting up to do it. Marvel Island is doing like 100 miles of dredging. So if Chad could piggy back on on some of that stuff and uh you know maybe that would help that would help >> and maybe we could also learn how
they're financing it as well. That's >> yeah maybe have a models huge projects going on. Okay. I can tell you um at the behest of Mayor hours when um David Grom and I presented I sent an email to all
of the people in Coral and Marco and Bonita and Naples and all over asking for information about their canals and I got one thing back. So if they're more interested in sharing it with account staff that swell hopefully they will be. So it would be lovely to learn to best
practices and what we're doing. >> And of course we want to be included in our on that discussion when the treasure comes around again. The other thing we would like to be included on if possible would be the um water the water taxi, water fairy or um
any of those items. We we'd definitely like to be included on that discussion. >> Can I give an update since you >> I was going to this is going to be one of my items. So the uh on Monday the loggerheads Fishtail Marina came in for
a litany of variances. They're uh rebuilding their facility, their slips, their boat houses, and their offices. Uh they will have gas available within probably 60 to 90 days. Uh they'll have
live bait available hopefully within that same time framework. Um they are going to build a new facility for the entity that leases on their property that sells and services boats uh Walkers Walker Marina and Walkers will have
again a new building. That temporary shell will eventually be gone. Um the pace of the buildings uh the rebuilding of of the loggerheads Fishtail Marina will impact the timing of the pitchers restaurant there that also leases that
land at the end of that property. Uh I'm not sure we're going to make this season this coming season unfortunately but they're they're they're still committed. And I would also say uh the two buildings that were three buildings really that was kind of a little
shopping plaza offices that was next to Fishtail Marina that's all been torn down and that is not going to be replaced. That'll be parking additional parking for the Fishtail I'm sorry for the Pinchers restaurant. So uh just just thought people would find it interesting. It's still it's coming on
second reading. But to your point uh Mr. Vice Chairman is the uh the uh uh the water fairy uh piece is in this proposal in the sense that they have reserved one
or two slips for a town water fairy uh to be reserved for uh at their marina and and we've been asked to to get that additionally clarified and solidified. So we are sure we've got a spot for a
water ferry. uh at that location because in the in the moss marine proposal which has now been codified uh they have to stop four different places on the island. One of those places being on the south end. Obviously don't really make sense on the south end is Fishtail
Marina, but they have been trying for a long time to reach out to the Fishtail Marina people. Not been able to reach anybody because they've been in flux, but they if we could get that codified, I think that would help the the the Moss Marina folks who are trying to get the ferry formally situated. So, all good
things. And just wanted to piggy back on your comment about the ferry. >> I have a question about water taxis. Yep. Different different than water fairies. Yeah. Water taxi and water fairies different, right? Water fairies are larger than water taxis. >> Water fairies you have up to 49 people, right?
>> Water taxis are small. >> So in the P. So is Moss Marina the one that's going to house the water taxi. And >> not only have a taxi, but they they're going to build a a terminal, the ticket office terminal, the whole structure to house the whole entity there on their on
their property. And then what we've asked them to do in addition to that is also run a ferry at a minimum of four stops. It could be many more. So very >> And are those going to be going into canals? >> Those will not be going to canals. Be going to marine. This will be one on the
south end. Uh I encourage the mouth to be on that list. This ferry, correct? >> This will be the ferry and then the third the other one would be Snookbite. Now likely there'll be others that'll that's just the minimum requirement. So they may go across the bay, they may go to Big Shell, you know, that's that's
that's all to be determined. So >> now water taxis can go down can go into the smaller canals. >> Well, they they they can, but this this this the ferry system that we're talking about will not be using private canals. It will just be going along the bay till
it hits the marina and or the bow house. They can have folks. Oh, >> I see you're not discussing the water tax. that the water taxi concept although we've talked about it here would probably be in relation to the boring field may have folks who want to do other things as well but that's uh a
separate dynamic from the arches moss marine logic >> I gota okay >> they may they may harbor a a water taxi at the moss marine or the arches but it's not part of the formal proposal I see which of which they're required to do >> okay so fairies have routes taxis are sorted along
>> perfect taxis a big comp in the morning field. I don't have that. I don't have the liability to go and pick up people to to pick them up or drop them off from their boat. The biggest thing for me right now is um having dingies left overnight and
stuff like that. It's hard for me to police that because I don't have a service to bring them back and forth. We recommend that the voters work work uh together hand in hand, but it's it's very difficult. >> You mean left overnight at the DA dock?
>> Correct. So they can't do that >> and it's we we would we try to >> minimize that as much as we can. >> How do you know if the dingy docks belong or the dingies belong to the morning people? How sticker or something?
>> It's a public dock. >> Oh, it's a public dock. >> 10 foot. >> So if one was overnight, you wouldn't know whether it was someone else that was singing or >> I mean I know I know I've sometimes
We were trying to keep track for a while when we were under the bridge and stuff. It was a little bit easier to control. Um, but we had kind of like a tag system so we know whose dingies are paying in the morning field and who is outside like the anchorage or whoever else is
coming from. >> I think I asked this one other time. I'm sorry. I don't mean to take up time. How many um dingies or how many can the dinghy do? really completely adaptable >> soon a lot more work. >> Yeah. Yes. Um
>> do they tie up to each other or how does that work? >> Yes, they do. They can tie up. But what what they do is they'll have a longer painter line or or a rope, you know, to tie off. So they will tie off to the bullnose and then they will they can
have it longer. So some will be able to push back and others will slide in. I mean >> and they kind of just just wrap up. uh stagger and stuff. Those are pretty much all all inflatables so they can bounce back. The biggest thing that I've been
had to put up signs and stuff stating um to leave your engine in the water at the dingy dock because we're dealing with inflatables. If somebody leaves it up and slides over, it can puncture there, puncture there being stuff like that. We don't need that, you know. So
trying to please it. I just wanted to add that that it was a long meeting that last meeting happened. The fish tail thing was very impressive. It sound like they're going to do a whole finger for transhuman post for taxi shuttles and and everything. >> It's very encouraging. >> There's going to be there's going to be
some issues. We'll bring it up later. But Fishtail will be okay with parking arches maybe. I don't know how you're ever going to do it with um with snow like I think they're over they're over parked right now. I don't know how they'd ever do that. >> It is a challenge in Snuger, right? you
know, and and Santini Plaza obviously could absorb some of that as well. And uh and and by the way, the in the in the proposal for Loggerheads Hisdale Marina, they're actually increasing the number of parking spots on that. So that that's good. >> That was a nice presentation there. So
there's a little bit of misconception. I I used to run a shuttle. So there's a ferry which uses a schedule, a water taxi which you call just like an Uber or a taxi and then there's what I used to run which is called which is a shuttle and I operated a shuttle from Marina
Del, California from the parking lot to a shopping center because there wasn't enough shopping and a shuttle is just kind of a hybrid because that's on demand not by request but it's on demand. >> Sam, isn't there a shuttle between the Hyatt and >> Yes. And that's the kind of boat I do
want to mention that the kind of boats that you're going to be having for fairies, hand shuttles, and are going to be these Corinthians. And you see them all around. You see the the dolphin tours for catamarans. They're 49 passenger most of them, but they do come in different sizes, which is really
handy. Some of them are huge. They're 55 foot. Some of them are as little as 38 foot. So >> Salty Sams has one side seed at Salty Sams. Um We're pumping that boat out for a little while. Um, but it's it's like that. It can hold up to 50
>> passengers and they can and some of them will the smaller ones can go up to 42 passengers and that's going to be great for the for the water fairies because they'll be able to get in and out and not take up too much time. >> Do you know that a lot of places in um
fairies that come here? >> They have one that goes to Harvard. Now that's a big one. That's a great They're all going to be that similar. It's made by a company called Caribbean. And I think that's possible. >> And it could be that that ring contracts
this out to another firm that does both water fairies and water taxes. >> So you could because there probably some synergies. >> So if you could include us in on that discussion. >> Oh, absolutely. That's why that's why. >> And I just have one more comment. I
talked to two people yesterday. a guy at the grocery store. He has thousands, probably tens of thousands of miles sea time. We all know him and he's got nothing but complimentary things to say about Curtis in the um in the field. He was also on this committee at one time.
He says it's running now smoother than it ever has. And then I ran into the polar opposite guy that bought a boat, doesn't know anything about it, bought a big 37 sailboat, first boat, doesn't know anything. and uh he came into
contact with Curtis and the crew said he was very helpful giving him all kinds of tips on how to tie his boat and I think he might even out a few days ago also. >> So you're getting a lot of good a lot of good comments from the field. >> That's it.
>> Anything? >> No, >> no, no. I'm freezing in here. >> I looked around. >> Okay, come quick comments. Sounds like snow. >> Say it or you >> regarding um canals. Remember I put this
little document together, Jim, in case that's helpful for the people who are working on canal directing for me. It's just what I found from all the stuff that we wrote here. It was part of a packet generally was sent. >> Okay. Was it email? >> Yes, email.
>> How long ago? uh month and a half, two months after. >> Okay, there's that. Um we talked about when the new vote is online, whether we want to have a contest or something to name it. Maybe we're listening, just throwing that out there. Uh we have decided at the last meeting that we
wanted to do appreciation day on April 12th. I put it on everybody's calendar. So that is about that day and I'd like to start preparing for that public comment.
Just one other member members I know a member but I talked about the the great update but I just wanted to say a lot of folks use this part of the beach. I've been talking with our harbor master talk with Frankie and Chad. There is a u
there are no swim buies on the south end of the island to bifrocate between the jet ski people and the swimmers. And that's a that's a that's a short-term dilemma because they needed to have reourishment finished figure out the exact distance as to where to put those
swims. So I'm told by Chad and uh from our harbor master that once reourment is finished I believe it's a le county function they will put those swim buoys back up. Take the land in front of Leonardo. You've got that beach access point which is heavily used but just no
swimming and the jet ski people get sometimes a little ambitious and pretty close to the river. So hopefully that'll be resolved soon. So I think that's all there are in place right now of the island but it's all
concentration right now. probably as soon as they're generally 100 yards. Why is it raining so hard? Uh public comment
comment next week agenda for next year after Easter. Um, so I will send out an email to Curtis to send out to everybody in the past. But next time we would really like to focus on hearing from Frankie,
hearing from Curtis. What's the vision? What is being budget? How how does it look for us to be able to make that neutral? uh and then talk about the roles and responsibilities on that document that I sent out so that
they can get the ordinance. Good. And we talked about the 20th check. >> Is there anything else? All right. like to journal. >> Approve to welcome second. >> Okay.