WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=WE_vgnzw3nQ NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: WE_vgnzw3nQ): - 00:01:38: Budget Work Session Called to Order - Overview - 00:07:02: Street Maintenance: Longevity, Stewardship, Proposed Street Maintenance Fee - 00:10:56: Street Maintenance Fee Details: Stable Revenue, Improves Streets - 00:17:53: Council Asks About Street Preservation and Heavy Maintenance - 00:21:28: Street Maintenance Funding Gap, History of the Fee - 00:23:59: Roadway Fee Based on Vehicle Miles Traveled - 00:28:59: Property Fee Examples and Estimated Revenue - 00:29:40: Council Asks About Specific Properties Like Liquor Stores - 00:32:51: Street Maintenance Fee Implementation and Timeline - 00:39:06: How Revenue Will Be Used and Results - 00:43:55: Council Member Flores Asks About Funding Numbers - 00:46:08: Council Discusses Street Prioritization and Bond Impact - 00:48:35: Council Discusses School Districts and the Street Maintenance Fee - 00:50:27: Councilmember Ceroples Expresses Support for Fee - 00:51:17: Council Asks About Shopping Centers and Small Businesses - 00:56:42: Council Inquires About Street Maintenance Fee and Pay-Go Funding - 01:01:20: Sales Tax and Property Tax Update - 01:19:03: Council Discusses Tax Protests - 01:20:23: Council Requests Detailed Budget Breakdown Binders Part: 1 1 00:01:38.479 --> 00:05:20.960 There you are. Yes. Thanks. Okay, council, we'll get started with our budget work session. Meeting is called to order. Turn it over to Jay Choa. >> Well, good morning. Uh, this is the next in the series of our our budget work 2 00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:37.280 sessions. And as a reminder, this is all kind of a work in progress. Uh so providing the council information as we go through it as well as updates as we get them uh especially from our appraisal districts and so you'll see some of that. Um there's not anything 3 00:05:37.280 --> 00:05:52.639 specifically we'd love your feedback but nothing specifically for you all to make decisions on today. Uh all this kind of as you know culminates uh with the August uh presentation of the recommended budget. Um and so this is uh the next step as we go through this 4 00:05:52.639 --> 00:06:08.720 process. So with that, Christianne will come up and be our first uh presenter uh related to the budget responses from the last meetings. >> All right, good morning everyone. So I do not I don't have anything specific to present, but I just wanted to remind 5 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:25.039 everyone what a budget response is. So it's kind of like the informal report for the budget work session. So as you have budget specific questions, then the lab will coordinate with the different departments um to to do a written response. So, I think I got a paper copy to most of you just in case it wasn't in the folder. I heard that maybe it 6 00:06:25.039 --> 00:06:40.960 wasn't. Um, but today's only budget response was sort of a proactive one since you're hearing about street maintenance. We've heard some questions over time about, you know, how effective is TPW's current delivery of the street maintenance PGO program and if they did have additional funding, you know, could they spend it? And so, that's what this 7 00:06:40.960 --> 00:06:57.400 BR aims to address. And I know Lauren's here if you have questions. Council, any questions related to that particular budget response? Thank you, Christian. >> Then I think we're gonna we're going to start with street maintenance. 8 00:07:02.400 --> 00:07:17.360 All right. Good morning, Mayor and Council. I'm Lauren Prier, your director for transportation and public works. Today, I want to begin by talking about longevity, what it will take for our city to remain strong over time. Longevity, whether in a business or 9 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:33.840 municipal sense, al often comes from steady leadership and a consistent investment in the systems that make everything else run. Markets shift, technologies evolve, and people will change roles. However, the 10 00:07:33.840 --> 00:07:49.199 organizations that endure all pay attention to maintenance. They fix small issues before they become structural failures. and they invest not just for growth but also for stability and resilience. 11 00:07:49.199 --> 00:08:05.360 Human health also works in the same way. Today longevity is often framed as biohacking shortcuts and gadgets. However, the truth is much simpler. Longevity is maintenance. By the time problems develop, when preventative care 12 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:22.319 is deferred and the time symptoms are obvious, the cost to regain our health is always much higher. Our street network also works in the same way. Pavement doesn't fail overnight. It deteriorates slowly and predictably. By the time the problems are obvious, 13 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:39.440 the cost of repair is always higher. I also want to acknowledge the reality many families and businesses are facing. Budgets are tight and the discussion of an added fee can feel like a strain. That concern is real. 14 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:59.360 However, the challenge we face is also real. A $66 million annual gap between what our streets need and what we can currently fund. Council has already taken meaningful steps. However, even with these 15 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:14.160 investments, the gap remains too large to close without a dedicated and stable tool. The proposed street maintenance fee is designed to be small, predictable, and based on how the system is used. 16 00:09:14.160 --> 00:09:30.560 It'll preserve the $40 million currently in the budget and add a funding source that is not competing with other essential services. And the impacts will be immediate. Pavement resurfacing will triple. Crack 17 00:09:30.560 --> 00:09:45.600 sealing will expand nearly five-fold. and heavy maintenance will go from 86 lane miles to over 125. This is the equivalent of preventing more than one full bond programs worth 18 00:09:45.600 --> 00:10:01.440 of deterioration annually. So this is truly the difference between paying a little now or a lot more later. So longevity is not about doing more with less. It's about doing the right 19 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:18.000 things at the right time so your system remains adaptable, capable, and efficient as the conditions change. This fee is also not about growth for growth's sake. This is about protecting the investments 20 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:34.640 we've already made, ensuring our streets remain safe and reliable, and giving our current and future residents a network that is stronger because of the decisions you make today. So, this is maintenance. This is 21 00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:56.959 stewardship. This is how our city will remain strong. Now, I'd like to turn it over to my assistant director, Lane Zerate. She's going to walk us through the details of our proposal up for your consideration. Thank you. All right, I'm going to roll 22 00:10:56.959 --> 00:11:14.480 right into this. Our purpose today is um to show you um the fee that we have developed for your consideration. It's designed to provide a stable and dedicated revenue source, improve our street conditions citywide, 23 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:30.880 provi pre prevent costlier reconstruction, and at a smaller monthly rate. So, my purpose today is to show you uh that fee and how the benefits will be that it increases our street maintenance by 50%. that it will give us 24 00:11:30.880 --> 00:11:48.240 a five-year proactive cycle on our streets, touching every good street once every five years. Um, increase our pavement life by 12% per year. Think about that after five years. And avoid $125 million per year in future 25 00:11:48.240 --> 00:12:04.399 reconstruction costs, all for this flat $3 residential rate. So, in order to show you that, I'm going to step through our presentation today in kind of this storyline format from the challenge to 26 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:22.639 the results. Um, and we will have time at the end to to do a recap and to get some direction from y'all. All right. Our street maintenance funding challenges have been longstanding um and has 27 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:40.079 culminated um after uh years of underfunding um to be our citizens highest importance and lowest satisfaction city service. I want that to sink in for a minute um because that is a call to action. You know, they are telling us what they want 28 00:12:40.079 --> 00:12:56.160 us to spend money on. And so we have been trying to find a solution for a while um to to address this this call to action. Um, so in order to find that solution though, we really need to understand the nature of the problem 29 00:12:56.160 --> 00:13:13.040 better. And so in order to do that, I'm going to give y'all a pavement management 101 um tutorial, but I'm going to use our own city data to explain it, right? Um the 30 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:28.480 city does a condition assessment every 3 to five years and we collect a robust amount of data and we can roll all that data up into an overall condition score for each street which is called the 31 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:44.320 pavement condition index also known as PCI. So for our purposes today I am going to um use three simplistic categories for our conditions. Good looks like this 32 00:13:44.320 --> 00:14:00.399 picture here. It is a PCI of 85 and above. Our fair condition streets are between 85 and 50. And then our poor con conditions are 50 and below. and streets will deteriorate from good 33 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:16.480 to fair to poor without any intervention uh through sun, through water um and wear and tear on our system. Early maintenance though can save money and avoid costlier work. So to show you 34 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:33.279 this I am doing a life cycle cost example. So when a street gets constructed, it starts out at year zero at a 100 PCI and it will follow a typical pavement deterioration curve like you see here 35 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:49.760 until it is a PCI zero at in this example a year 40. Now if we can fund maintenance interim throughout its life, we can do a crack seal and that would increase the condition and push out the deterioration 36 00:14:49.760 --> 00:15:04.560 curve. increasing its life and then again for a surface seal or a mill and overlay to replace the surface. Each of these maintenance procedures every time we touch it it increases its condition and pushes out its life. If we don't 37 00:15:04.560 --> 00:15:20.800 have the maintenance funding, then what is happening is we let the street deteriorate along its typical deterioration curve until it gets bad enough that at some point it competes for bond funding and is lucky enough to 38 00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:36.240 get to selected for reconstruction at a cost of $2.5 million. So both of these examples for this life cycle of this street end up at the same PCI at year 40. 39 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:51.040 The takeaway here is that by spending money on the maintenance, we are saving a lot of money in the life of the roadway. We can extend its life, keep it in better condition, and save about $2.1 40 00:15:51.040 --> 00:16:06.480 million per mile. If we do the return on investment calculation for this, every $1 million that we invest in maintenance, we can avoid spending almost $5 million in future reconstruction cost. So maintenance has 41 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:23.120 a very high return on investment. This is one street, but now I'm going to show you these three categories for our whole network that we are maintaining. We have 8,600 lane miles that we are 42 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:40.320 maintaining. We have 3,600 lane miles of green streets. Um, these are streets that still need work. They need preservation, right? In order to stay good, all streets require maintenance, just like your car. Um, so 43 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:58.079 that is um a good amount of work just to maintain the value that we have in our new streets. We have yellow streets, 2,800 lane miles. This is where we generally spend our PGO dollars, our maintenance money, doing heavier maintenance. 44 00:16:58.079 --> 00:17:16.720 Then we also have 2100 lane miles of red streets that are below a 50 PCI and would be at this point likely waiting for future bond funding. These are not serviceable by by maintenance procedures. So this is a 45 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:35.440 large backlog that has indicated that we are not adequately funding our maintenance and our network is deteriorating faster than we can maintain it. So what does that deterioration look like? If we take all of those streets 46 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:53.200 that were in that map and we put them on a bar graph based on their percentage in each of these categories, this is what our network bar graph looks like. And you can see the cost for these procedures increase as you go up. So 47 00:17:53.200 --> 00:18:10.000 next I want to draw your attention to these hashed areas in between the categories. >> I'm sorry. Can you give us a example of what um preservation maintenance is like a a task that's preservation maintenance 48 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:24.960 and one that's heavy maintenance? So sure for asphalt streets preservation would include crack sealing um and surface sealing like a micro surface or slurry seal. Um for concrete street 49 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:41.280 preservation would be joint sealing, crack sealing. Um they make gray crack seal now. Um so you'll have to put the black stuff on concrete. Um for heavy maintenance asphalt would be uh replacing the entire surface through a 50 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:59.440 mill and overlay or a uh I guess recycle in place type of procedure uh that goes full depth. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Oh and for concrete streets heavy maintenance is panel replacement. Right. Because for concrete you have less maintenance procedures. So if it breaks, 51 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:15.840 you replace it. Um, so back to our graph, the hashed areas in between these conditions represent streets that our model is predicting are going to go from a less expensive procedure to a more expensive 52 00:19:15.840 --> 00:19:31.840 procedure next year. So these are our vital streets to fund with our maintenance dollars. If we don't have the funding to maintain them, then it gets more expensive next year. And this is called deferred 53 00:19:31.840 --> 00:19:47.760 maintenance. And there is a cost impact to deferring maintenance. Let's look at that compounding effect every year that we're deferring more maintenance. This is the same bar graph. uh 54 00:19:47.760 --> 00:20:04.640 percentage of our network by condition from 2022 to 2026. Now, we add streets to the green each year. So, that kind of throws off the linearness of um the degradation from preservation into um heavy maintenance, 55 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:21.120 but you can definitely see very clearly the trajectory of our red streets and our bond backlog. This is indicative of having unstable funding for maintenance or insufficient 56 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:38.720 funding for maintenance. So we have done a simple calculation um to find the average um for each year that we are deferring into the bond and that is 150 lane miles every year. at 57 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:55.280 $2.5 million to reconstruct. We are adding $375 million every year to our existing bond backlog. So, how do we fix this? Right? This is the nature of the problem. How do we fix this? We have to increase our funding to 58 00:20:55.280 --> 00:21:12.000 a level that is sufficient as an average. We've done um our own independent analysis, city staff. We found we had about 30% we thought at the time of what we needed to do the vital street segments that deteriorate each year. But we wanted to 59 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:28.960 confirm that. We hired our consultant um to do a five-year analysis and we have presented several um times slides about that analysis. Um today I'm just going to share with you kind of the highle summary slide of that. Um, you can look 60 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:46.559 at the year-over-year variation, but that's why it's important for you to budget at an average. >> Mayor, may I ask a question? >> Um, going back to your prior slide, year-over-year deterioration. Just curious, um, why didn't we start looking 61 00:21:46.559 --> 00:22:02.720 at the data at 2018? >> Um, I went back five years. um because we did our last condition assessment in uh 2022 and then in 2026. So it's from one condition assessment to another 62 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:22.400 condition assessment. >> Understood. Thank you. >> All right. Um so we have a $66 million funding gap and that is a very large funding gap. Um it's not easy to solve through traditional means. 63 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:37.600 We've been looking for a solution for a while and it's not the first time that we brought the fee before you. Um the first time the fee was discussed it was in 2010 and um that was proposed as a recommendation from the uh city's task 64 00:22:37.600 --> 00:22:53.520 force on transportation funding. Um actually council at that time adopted a resolution to implement one um but it did not move forward um through to implementation. And so in 23 when we realized the size of our need um and the criticality of 65 00:22:53.520 --> 00:23:09.360 it, we brought forward a fee recommendation for the full funding need. Um that was larger and not very palatable. Um the city decided to explore alternatives like closing that 66 00:23:09.360 --> 00:23:26.159 gap through property tax. Um, I think y'all just recently received a presentation on the current state of the budget. Um, I think 2024 was when the external circumstances started to shift for us in property tax. Um, which was an 67 00:23:26.159 --> 00:23:43.679 unfortunate timing. Um, but here we are. Um because in 2025 um we decided to look again at a fee, but this time at a supplemental fee to our existing funding that we could um put put forward for 68 00:23:43.679 --> 00:23:59.600 consideration. So um that solution that we are bringing you today as a supplemental feed to our existing funding, I'm going to hand you over um to Trey Shanks to go through. Trey Shanks is the group manager for the 69 00:23:59.600 --> 00:24:17.200 uh Frieza Nichols infrastructure uh management group. Well, before Lane leaves, I want to just thank you for the extraordinary work that went into this presentation. And so I have watched you as you have worked 70 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:34.080 through this and your commitment to coming up with the best solution for residents and the city to to uh minimize our shortfall has just been absolutely wonderful and I want to thank you in advance for that. Thank you so much. I 71 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:53.120 will be back up. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Again, I'm Trey Shanks with Freezen Nichols and uh we were uh helping with the technical analysis. So, what I'm going to do is just walk through a little bit of the approach to identify um you know what the fee would be for 72 00:24:53.120 --> 00:25:10.240 each property um the the technical aspect for that. So um start with just kind of introduction of the concept of it but you know we're all familiar with the water system. Um the city for over nearly 20 years has had a storm water utility fee as well. Um both of those 73 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:26.080 have a mechanism to uh determine what is the usage of that system and how do you pay for it. You have the water system you got a meter. It's very direct and clear. With storm water it's a little bit more indirect. It's that impervious area. um it's a proxy um for the usage 74 00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:42.320 of the system. When we talk about with roadway is similar um from the standpoint of having a proxy. We're going to think of vehicle miles traveled, the amount of traffic generated. So the number of trips and the length of those trips. We'll get to what we call vehicle miles traveled. 75 00:25:42.320 --> 00:25:59.039 So um and this is going to be based off of um an industry standard manual called the trip generation manual that's put out by the Institute for Transportation Engineers. So um first before we jumped in um to the approach we had some guidelines we were working with as Lane 76 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:14.320 and Lauren mentioned you know the guidance was to um target a smaller supplemental fee. So this is not the fee that you're going to see is not set to try to cover the entire gap. So it's a smaller supplemental fee. We're striving for an approach that is easy to 77 00:26:14.320 --> 00:26:30.960 communicate for the the community um that minimizes the staff administrative burden so that the revenues generated can be targeted to street maintenance and not administration of the funds and based off of the use of of the system. Okay. So we'll look at you know this 78 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:45.440 approach. One of the key things to note on this the trip generation manual is based off of empirically collected data across the country. They actually look at different types of properties. how many trips um are generated based off of those different types of properties and 79 00:26:45.440 --> 00:27:01.039 that's the basis that we're using here. Okay, so getting to that um ease of communication um first what we did was we identified these street maintenance fee categories that are all common language type of categories but that are 80 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:17.039 really grouped um to have a a similar properties within each of these categories have um a similar amount of trip generation. Okay, so you see single family and multif family at the top and then you see, you know, as you work your way down, you see a variety of types of 81 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:37.120 businesses and the like. Okay, there we go. Okay, but so for each of those, again, based off the trip generation manual, they have their own identified vehicle miles traveled estimate. Um, but as you notice, it says per development units that that because that depends on the size of each 82 00:27:37.120 --> 00:27:52.000 property within that category. So I'll walk through that a little bit and again the basis for estimating the size of the property you see there's various characteristics. So for single family and multif family it's based off the number of dwelling units. So for single family it's always going to be one. 83 00:27:52.000 --> 00:28:07.679 Okay. For multif family um it's like apartment units the number of dwelling units in that um complex. For schools the number of students that attend the school. Um same for hotels and motel with the uh rooms. Everything else is based off of the what's called the gross 84 00:28:07.679 --> 00:28:26.960 floor area um for the building. So that's the floor space um of the building. So you think of a high-rise or an office um the amount of floor space that there is. There we go. Okay. So going back to that those initial guidelines targeting a 85 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:44.480 smaller supplemental fee, we targeted a dollar amount of $3 per month per resident. want to back calculate what that functionally means. So, we assign that as $3 knowing that we're not covering the full cost um um of that that funding gap. Okay, 86 00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:59.360 simple math here of things, but knowing that we've got this development unit um vehicle miles traveled to 4.32 or $3. What we get is the 69 cents and change of cost per vehicle mile traveled. as you apply that to all these categories, 87 00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:15.440 you get these actual different rates per development unit. Okay, so that's what really ends up mattering. Now again, these are just the rates um by the category and so we still need to apply those development units to that. So as we look at different types of 88 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:32.240 categories, there are some that have that are small properties and some that are large. So if you think of offices, um a small office will have a small number of development units. uh a high-rise will have a lot of development units, so their overall charge will be significantly different. They're charged 89 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:50.399 off the same rate of that 9.11 vehicle miles traveled per development unit. >> Okay. I want to show some examples. >> That's a question. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Um so on the property examples that you have, where does the liquor store and the car wash fall? 90 00:29:50.399 --> 00:30:05.840 >> Um so I'll walk through Yeah. um and see as as we go. Um in this there's there's auto service um categories that for the car wash probably fall within that and retail would probably be for liquor. 91 00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:26.399 >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. So, so here's some you know taking that calculation that that technical methodology and applying it to some example um properties um across town. I have a couple of slides of this. I apologize for all the content on there, but I wanted you to see, you 92 00:30:26.399 --> 00:30:41.520 know, what that monthly charge would be for various types of properties. So, you see for single family residents, of course, again, $3 um per month. Um for an apartment complex, for this exact one, it'd be, you know, a little less 93 00:30:41.520 --> 00:30:58.240 than $440. A different apartment complex would have a different um you know, charge per month. Example, school. Um you see a hotel example. uh the senior living center as a category and then an example church of a little less than $65 94 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:16.320 a month. And then on the re on the uh business side of things overall, these are all based off of the floor area. Here's examples. Everything from a gas station down to a big box store. You see an Amazon fulfillment center in there. So 95 00:31:16.320 --> 00:31:31.919 you see a large range of um monthly charges. Um, I'll use the Amazon Fulfillment Center as an example. It's got a relatively low rate of $2.64. That's a very high number of development units. So, they have about a $2,700 a 96 00:31:31.919 --> 00:31:56.480 month a monthly charge as a result. So, that's the key aspect where the rate is not the full the category rate is not the full story. The the full monthly charge is what tells you the full story. Okay. So, with um with all of that um 97 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:12.399 together, applying that across the city, um focus on the number at the bottom first. What we're estimating is that a $3 a month um you know uh charge to a single family residents and a proportional charge to all other properties would generate about 27.4 98 00:32:12.399 --> 00:32:28.000 million a year towards uh street maintenance. So that pre preventive maintenance, that heavy maintenance um activity. So um when you factor single family and multif family together, you're at about 40% of the overall 99 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:51.519 revenue is coming um from the residential side and about 60% is coming from all other types of properties. Okay, turn back over to Lane to finish things out. All right. Um, so with any new service fee, the implementation is going to be 100 00:32:51.519 --> 00:33:09.360 key to success, right? So we're going to share with you some of our planning around the implementation for this. First, let's talk about the timeline. Um, we are in this summer with you uh working to refine the fee that we are 101 00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:25.840 putting forward today. and if it gets approved would be adopted around that September time frame. However, the fee would not begin until spring of 2028. The reason for that is because the city 102 00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:42.880 has decided to be fiscally responsible and do one um billing integration into the new water department software which has a schedule for implementation to begin in spring of 2028. for go live. 103 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:59.440 That means that we will have an 18-month window to really do a lot of good robust implementation work. Um, the other thing I want to point out about this timeline is that that means that this fee that you'll be considering 104 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:17.359 this year is not going to be in effect at the same time as any other fee increases that go before council this year. Um, so we have 18 months. That's the good news. We can really do a great job with public engagement, process 105 00:34:17.359 --> 00:34:35.919 development, and make sure that this goes smoothly. All right. Process development um will take a lot of effort. We have processes that we need to create for the billing integration itself into the new software um with the water department. We have 106 00:34:35.919 --> 00:34:52.800 processes that will support data management um creating this street maintenance fee layer and maintaining that which will be supported by development processes. We also need to put in place processes around any usage based exemptions. Right 107 00:34:52.800 --> 00:35:07.520 now the usagebased exemptions that we have are for properties that are not developed. So they're not generating traffic, right? They might pay taxes on that land but it's not developed. Um then we also have a not a usage based 108 00:35:07.520 --> 00:35:23.920 exemption for no vehicle properties, right? So they can apply for that uh usage based exemption if they can show that they really don't have any registered vehicles for that property. Um and we can validate that through the DMV and we'll have to create a process 109 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:43.440 for that. Um we also want to create processes for reporting our revenue, tracking our expenses and all those things that are necessary for uh public transparency. All right. In this 18-month window, we will also be doing a lot of work on 110 00:35:43.440 --> 00:36:00.480 public engagement. So this graphic here is a representation of the online property fee map that we're putting together. Um, this will allow people to go in to their specific property, click on it, see what their category is, and use an online calculator to figure out 111 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:16.400 what their monthly charge would be in 2028. Our public engagement uh will also include public education uh through budget meetings, other public meetings, our website updates, etc. We also want 112 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:33.599 to continue getting public input. We started that process um already. We did a focus group back in April with stakeholders and I wanted to share with y'all some of the results from that. All right. Our focus group was about a 113 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:49.119 two-hour education session. It also included some discussion and then a final survey. So this pie chart shows the results of the final survey after that two-hour education session. 61% were supportive of the fee that we 114 00:36:49.119 --> 00:37:05.680 proposed. Um 11% were conditionally supportive. Um so that meant that their survey said they liked the the fee as a mechanism but maybe not all the details. And then other people there was 11% that were undecided and 17 not supportive. Um 115 00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:22.320 so generally supportive after um being presented with all the facts. The reasons that they gave in their surveys for being supportive is that they just recognized the criticality and the need um for this funding and they also liked 116 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:38.079 that it would be a dedicated and stable funding source. Um so you know we've seen just all the city needs the challenges to fund it all. Um so setting it aside as a priority and as a stable and dedicated source that can't be used 117 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:55.040 for anything else other than street maintenance was a benefit. Um they also liked that the cost burden was being proportionally allocated based on the impact to the streets. Um and then actually the last one here was um a surprise. Some of our stakeholders said 118 00:37:55.040 --> 00:38:14.000 that they supported the fee mechanism because the city of Fort Worth has done a great job um with showing, you know, uh great programs and results after other fee implementations. Um yeah, that was a pat on the back. Um 119 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:29.359 the focus group consisted of a pretty diverse group of stakeholders that you can see there. Um and because of that we got a lot of good perspectives. Um you know while all the stakeholders understood you know there would be rates 120 00:38:29.359 --> 00:38:46.640 and fees to pay um they also provided us suggestions on additional benefits to some of those groups like small businesses and then schools too through career and technical education programs. So we're going to pursue those suggestions. Um and they also suggested 121 00:38:46.640 --> 00:39:04.760 communication strategies um behind providing more methodology examples, real life examples and then um focusing on the fee benefits as a as a preferred mechanism um and some of the success stories from storm water. 122 00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:21.920 All right, this is where we get to really show what we can do with this fee. Um we have proposed how we would use the revenue um and our strategy is kind of 123 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:39.440 um indicative of this bar graph. Right? When we talked about this bar graph, we showed that we have vital streets going from preservation into heavy maintenance and from heavy maintenance into a bond backlog. Um, if we only fund uh the things that are going into a bond 124 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:56.000 backlog, we will be able to fund less lane miles per year out of the heavy maintenance category than we would be actually adding into it from not doing preservation. So, this battle is something that we have to fight on multiple fronts. And so we are proposing 125 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:12.320 to use the revenue um 25% in-house for preservation and maintenance and then 75% to contract out heavier maintenance. And just a reminder, you know, bond streets, if they're already red, would still have to wait and compete for bond 126 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:30.400 funding because our maintenance dollars can't be used for those. For the in-house preservation and maintenance, I'm so excited, y'all. we would be able to do a five-year preservation cycle on our good streets. Um, this is something a a proactive 127 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:47.200 cycle is something that, you know, storm water already has on their storm drains and their culverts. Um, but we would be able to start this in streets and touch every good street once every five years. This would increase our pavement life by 12% per year for our entire network. So, 128 00:40:47.200 --> 00:41:04.079 after five years, 50% increase. Um, we also want to inhouse expand our resurfacing. This is a heavy maintenance procedure. Um, up to 40 lane miles inhouse. And just by doing that, we would be avoiding about 16 million in 129 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:21.839 future reconstruction maintenance. The 75% of the revenue that we want to use to contract out heavier maintenance would be used for both concrete and asphalt streets. and we would be able to achieve 50% increase to our annual 130 00:41:21.839 --> 00:41:38.160 maintenance. That would save us or avoid 110 million per year in future reconstruction costs. That is huge. Um, think about, you know, the amount of reconstruction that we are investing in our bond in the reconstruction category. 131 00:41:38.160 --> 00:41:56.480 It's 129 million. So, this is equivalent to about one bond program per year that we are preventing from adding to our bond backlog. In four years between bonds, we would be adding four bond programs if we don't 132 00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:16.800 close the gap. So to highlight the combined results here, um green streets and yellow streets are all throughout the city. They're everywhere. And we would be able to have a measurable impact on all of them. on the 133 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:32.240 green streets with a five-year preservation cycle. And then for the yellow streets, a 50% increase to our heavy maintenance for those vital street segments each year that are going to cost us more. And then because we are doing this maintenance, even though we 134 00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:48.400 aren't spending our maintenance dollars on red streets, it has the impact of reducing our future capital cost because we are preventing that equivalent of one bond program in reconstruction per year. All right. So, we are going to sum up for you 135 00:42:48.400 --> 00:43:05.599 because it was a lot of information, but we've talked about how street maintenance is top priority for our residents, how our funding is just not sufficient to address the problem. With a $3 per month dedicated fee, we can 136 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:21.680 provide citywide improvements and prevent far costlier reconstruction. uh this mechanism uniquely provides stability in the funding, right? Because it's not subject to external um you know property value 137 00:43:21.680 --> 00:43:38.960 fluctuations, economic turns, etc. pressures and then it's also dedicated. It can't be used for anything else. It's restricted to only street maintenance. And so um with that funding source, we will be able to increase our maintenance, extend the street life and 138 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:55.599 reduce our future debt. We have communicated this to stakeholders and found that they are generally supportive when all those facts are clear. So, um, we would love some input from you, 139 00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:12.400 um, either on these categories of FE refinement, structure, or public engagement or just any other questions that you have. >> Thank you, Lane. >> Council member Flores, >> yeah, a couple questions. First, um I'm looking back at a presentation, uh a preliminary presentation that was given 140 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:30.240 to council in 2024, and I'm looking at some of the numbers, some of the changes, uh increases, for example, in the average annual supplemental funding needed across years. Um I just want to make sure that I'm looking at this right. Um 66.1 million per year. That 141 00:44:30.240 --> 00:44:46.800 was averaged out then and now we're at 110. Is that right? or >> the gap is still 66.1. >> Um >> what's the average over the course of the years? It's still pretty much unchanged. >> We we kind of established that target as 142 00:44:46.800 --> 00:45:04.480 an average. Um we we could go back and and analyze again, but I think as a target it still remains good to get as close as we can to that number. >> It's not a significant amount of years that has passed anyways from then. And 143 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:19.200 then my second question is um under the preservation category, what is fog seal? >> Fog seal. Um fog seal is a asphalt like fatuminous. I know that's one of those 144 00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:35.680 engineering terms, but um it's a asphalt liquid that um you can spray on top to kind of help create a coating that um covers up the oxidized top layer of the 145 00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:53.520 pavement. So again, I know like what is oxidation? Um but you know the streets that are asphalt, they go from black to gray, right? They get old and they dry out. That's basically the oxidation. So, um it it gives that fresh surface coat that is less susceptible to sun and wear 146 00:45:53.520 --> 00:46:08.720 and tear and water. >> Okay. And cheaper than crack seal or chip seal, >> right? >> All right. Thank you. >> You have something before. >> Um and I probably I should have asked for this when we met a while ago, but it 147 00:46:08.720 --> 00:46:24.160 didn't dawn on me until I saw the map of the red um yellow green streets. I know that this funding is specifically for those green and yellow streets to prevent them from going red. I think what and I um I think it's tremendous 148 00:46:24.160 --> 00:46:39.680 the amount of money we'll be able to save and what we'll be able to do with even if we kept the bond dollars consistent year-over-year. Um those number of registries that we'd be able to tackle. And so I think that might be a helpful number for us to to be able to 149 00:46:39.680 --> 00:46:56.400 talk about is by implementing this fee. Um let me back up and say the worst streets are what people complain about. And so we're going to implement this fee and we're going to do a lot of um lighter work that maybe is going to go unnoticed, but the big bang for our buck 150 00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:12.160 is the money we save that we're going to be able to invest in a bond to redo those red streets. And so if we have say for example there's 2600 miles of lane miles of of red road right now at the 151 00:47:12.160 --> 00:47:28.800 current rate that we're able to put um projects in the bond it would take us 10 bonds to get it done. But with this fee, does that then, you know, if we were able to do all of them, does that reduce that to, you know, three bond cycles or four bond cycles so that we have some 152 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:45.200 way of saying it doesn't just help short term, but long term it helps us increase um our ability to address these issues in the bond instead of deferring them. I love the idea of that graph and I can create that graph for you. Um yes, we 153 00:47:45.200 --> 00:48:04.079 can we can show you that. Um yeah, we we aren't directly saving bond money now. We are avoiding incurring that cost later, right, by not doing the maintenance now. And so what we're doing is we're slowing the the building of the 154 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:20.079 backlog on the bond, right? So we still need to fund bond at the same level, if not more. Um, but if we don't want to have our red streets wait even longer to get addressed through those bonds, then 155 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:35.920 we need to provide the maintenance to keep the good streets good. I will create that graph for you because now I'm it's going to be a good one. >> Council member Larsorf. >> Thank you, mayor. Yeah, to Councilwoman Beck's point, that's that it's really going to be key especially on the 156 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:51.280 communication piece because up north we we do have quite a few green and yellow roads. Uh, and I drive all over Fort Worth and I know some areas that are really, really rough. Um, so I could see how somebody like, wait a second, why like our streets are terrible and these are, you know, because I mean, let's be 157 00:48:51.280 --> 00:49:06.880 honest, a lot of the residents stay they stick to the rivers and the lakes you're used to, right? They stay in the the area they're in. Um, and so they don't Yeah. Yeah. Just don't go chasing ws. Anyways, um, they may not realize how bad it is in other areas. So, I think the communication is going to be key because I think it's great like saving a 158 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:22.240 lot of money in the long run. Um, but I did have a question. Um, on the stakeholders, I saw universities, but I didn't see any school districts. Were any school districts involved in it at all? >> U, we sent out invitations to all the 159 00:49:22.240 --> 00:49:39.359 school districts. Um, the universities were the ones that attended. >> Yeah, I I know of a district that doesn't seem to respond to postcards, too. So, I'll reach out to the school district um because I I don't I mean anyone who 160 00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:55.440 is alive understands right now our school districts are really suffering financially too. I mean, school closures, uh, cutting staff, um, cutting programs. And so, I would like to see I know that they it accounts for 3% of that. Uh, but if there's a way to exempt 161 00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:12.079 the the ISTDs, um, because they're already >> It's.3, >> is it.3? Okay. I thought it was I thought it was three. So, okay. That's that that's much more palatable. But I'm sure Dr. Hall can probably speak to that uh much more eloquently. But I know that's probably going to be a much tougher pill for them to swallow. Sure. 162 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:27.920 if if you can put me in contact, I would love to set up a meeting uh one-on-one and and go through it with them. >> Yeah, absolutely. I can easily do that. Thank you. >> So, Ceroples >> Lane, I'm part of that 61% that is in agreement with the fee. And so in 163 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:44.559 anticipation of this, I have mentioned it as I have been out to my constituents that uh when they complain about streets, I say if we had to put in a fee and people understand that and are in agreement and I think you know my 164 00:50:44.559 --> 00:51:00.720 district runs from some of the red streets all the way up to some of the green streets and I have broached that in all those settings and I think what you've done is well thought out. Uh I do like the idea of giving us the space to 165 00:51:00.720 --> 00:51:17.599 do a long-term implementation. Uh but I think that most people when it's explained are in agreement because they do. Streets are our number one priority. >> One more. Mayor >> Michael then Carlos. >> Go ahead. 166 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:34.640 >> Uh thanks Lane for uh putting that together and also the meetings that we had or meeting we had prior to that. My question really is how are shopping centers handled? Are the businesses inside there paying the fee or the shopping center itself? >> So the owner of the property or the 167 00:51:34.640 --> 00:51:50.800 shopping center would receive that bill. Now if um you know in some cases it might be you know under $100. In some cases it might be several hundred. Um if that owner can absorb that within their you know operating budget um then it may 168 00:51:50.800 --> 00:52:06.400 not get passed on. Um, but it's just a a property bypropy decision as to whether or not they charge their tenants anymore. >> Okay. I was just I'm using Westcliff Shopping Center as an example. You got a you're there's an ace there, but you're 169 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:20.559 comparing that the same thing to a Home Depot which may have a big corporate structure behind it versus a smaller franchise. But I guess that what we're hearing is that the individual shopping centers will decide whether they pass that along or not. >> Right. 170 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:36.319 >> They're okay. It's um it's based on size and you know traffic generated and usage. It's um you know a direct relationship between usage and and fee. Um and that's kind of preserving that 171 00:52:36.319 --> 00:52:51.920 integrity of and defendability of the fee. >> Great. Um and we and I I bring that up because we've done a lot of work on small businesses and when we look at this, we talked about that when we met too. I think there's an area of refinement that might make sense to do. 172 00:52:51.920 --> 00:53:07.440 We're comparing, you know, McDonald's the same thing as Drew's Place, right? At least on the count of what they're doing or Starbucks to black coffee. So, we may need to look at small businesses a little differently and I think that's worth a conversation as we look at the implementation piece of it. 173 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:24.800 >> Uh conversation is always good. um you know as far as um can we uh provide a non-usagebased uh discount or exemption um you know based on something like you 174 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:42.079 know uh profitability of the company or or net worth. That is a um policy decision that I would also say, you know, y'all could request a legal opinion on um because it does um break that direct relationship 175 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:59.119 between usage and fee. Um I can speak to the considerations for that decision that would impact maintenance. Um so if the discount or exemption were provided for anything 176 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:16.559 that wasn't usage based um the effect would be that um well not only would we potentially set a precedent because I don't think we have any other city services that are usage based that we do provide a non-usage exemption for um but we would 177 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:32.960 also reduce the revenue and depending upon um how we structure that in the future moving forward, it could get to where it is being subsidized by other rateayers and to provide the same level of service. 178 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:48.559 Um, furthermore, any administrative cost for that discount or exemption, um, especially if it were not publicly available data, and I do not believe there is a publicly available data set 179 00:54:48.559 --> 00:55:03.920 for small business, um, the administration of collecting that information, maintaining that data set would also come out of any remaining fee after that exemption. So, it's kind of a 180 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:21.040 double whammy for that particular one. Ultimately, you know, definitely get an opinion on that. Um, and it's a it's a policy decision. >> Thank you for that insight. The other thing I'll say is if I can remember the conversation that we had back in 23. There really was a question of if we had 181 00:55:21.040 --> 00:55:36.480 contractors that could execute on all this work. And the answer at the time was no. I don't know that we do. I'm just wondering, has that been fully explored or will it be explored as part of this process? uh as we're charging this fee, but we can't actually implement within a timely period, 182 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:51.920 >> right? Uh well, when we initially kind of showed y'all what a you know, a potential fee could look like, it was a a very high level um you know, pie in the sky option at that time. And um as we move towards solving it through 183 00:55:51.920 --> 00:56:08.079 property tax, we had a lot of discussions. Um and when we talked with our contracting community, um they said that for them it would be comfortable at no more than 20 to 25 million additional contract 184 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:25.440 uh maintenance per year. And so at this with 75% going to contract, it would be 19 million, right? Well with under that. So um so that is true. Uh we originally showed you what the gap would look like as a fee. Um, and through working through uh this process over the last 185 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:42.640 couple of years, we kind of now understand what's most comfortable to our contracting community and this falls within that measurable increase that we can deliver. >> That's great. Thank you. >> Questions from council? Yes, council for >> how much does the uh give me an idea. 186 00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:59.359 How much does the street maintenance fee um impact pay go? that is what do we expect or project that we would save in payo funding. I mean recently you know we uh instructed the city manager to give us more on the payo side for street 187 00:56:59.359 --> 00:57:17.119 maintenance and other you know needs. So in implementing this what does that do on that sector and I know that touches on you know property tax and general fund. So this fee is small um because we 188 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:32.799 are expecting to keep our existing revenue through PO if we don't increase if we don't keep our revenue through PGO and this replaces that funding I mean well it couldn't replace that funding because it's not enough but replace 189 00:57:32.799 --> 00:57:51.839 um so so it doesn't change our need to keep our existing PO fun. Well, I want to start by saying thank you to saying and to to TPW and Lauren and everybody putting this together. So, so after last year, we went through a process of talking about this through 190 00:57:51.839 --> 00:58:08.880 the budget process and what we did in the city manager's office is really ask them to put together a plan that, you know, based on what happened in the past, one residential fee was high, right? So that's I that's hard to explain to to our constituents and the 191 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:26.160 residents. Two, um trying to get to that overall amount and the amount of dollars that come in. Can we actually put that out on the streets? Is it visible? And then and then three, you know, what makes sense? How can we get to a point where we're adding a tool to the toolbox 192 00:58:26.160 --> 00:58:43.599 overall? So, uh they've done a masterful job in in coming together. Thank you to Frieza Nichols and the group involved in in helping us with that. And the idea here is that we have about $33 million in payo right in maintenance. We need 99 193 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:59.920 million. Last time around, they came and said, "Let's fill that whole gap with this maintenance fee and it was it was too big of a bite." So what's really coming back is at the end of the day, we need to get closer to that 99 million so we stop dropping streets into that red 194 00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:17.520 bucket that we're never going to catch into. Right? So right now we're digging a hole with with a biggest backhoe that you have. Right? If this gets passed, we're now, you know, a group of 10 10 employees with with uh digging the hole 195 00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:34.559 with shovels. Still, we're still digging the hole because we're not totally getting to that 99 million, but it's it's less that's being added to that backlog. At some point, we got to get to the point where no more backlog so that future bond programs can actually help us address the red that keeps getting 196 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:53.200 that. And so, um, on the on the small business or those exemptions, uh, there's a slip slippery slope there in that any any group can come forward and challenge it in court and if we're not being even with everyone, the whole 197 00:59:53.200 --> 01:00:09.920 program can disappear due to that. Totally understand the small business versus big corporate and all those kind of things. uh but as soon as you start creating exemptions that are not uh based on the trip miles on something that is is objective then it becomes an 198 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:25.200 opening and a crack for those legal challenges. So that's why I would just warn us of of going down that road. Beyond that uh again you don't we're not asking for a decision now. Oh, finally I want to talk about the 18 months. We made a decision uh the water department 199 01:00:25.200 --> 01:00:41.440 had in their overall capital plan and and program to replace the billing system that's long in the tooth and is old and needed to be updated. We did not want to spend good money after bad money by going through the process of redoing the software to add this fee for one 200 01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:58.640 year and then a year later having the new program and throw all that down. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars. And so we said, let's wait for the 18 months and it gives us the opportunity to to to let the citizens know what's coming and provide education behind. 201 01:00:58.640 --> 01:01:20.640 That's how we got to where we are and thank you all for all your work. >> Thank you. >> Okay, council. I think our next presentation is Brady Kirk with a sales tax and property tax update. I'm already getting booze. I haven't 202 01:01:20.640 --> 01:01:36.000 started. Well, right on the border at least of I'm still going to be pleasant between good morning and good afternoon. I know we're running a little long, so I'll try not to draw it out too much, but we did promise a couple weeks ago we'd come back to you, give you an 203 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:54.799 update on how the April values came in, and we're also going to show you how we're doing, at least in this current year, for our sales tax collections. So coming back to the number we showed you about a budget gap we're trying to close, I think it would be fair to say 204 01:01:54.799 --> 01:02:11.760 probably the top priority of this budget season is thinking about how we can close that revenue expense gap. Um the numbers within that assume that we were going to have 651.6 6 million of current property taxes and 205 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:28.880 268 a.5 million of sales tax revenue. And so I'm giving you these figures so you can benchmark on those a little bit because as we look forward to what our projections will be for next year, anything we can do that's better than those would mean shrinking that gap. And 206 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:48.720 hopefully this doesn't happen, but anything below those amounts would mean widening that gap. And there are other revenues of course but those really tell most of the story because those are above 80% of all revenues within the general fund. And when we got our final values for 207 01:02:48.720 --> 01:03:04.400 setting the budget, our property t values last July, uh given that this was the first year that we were not getting any reappraisals on residential property, we were pretty happily surprised that we hit almost 6% growth on those. And the 208 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:19.200 other counties were higher in growth than Tarant, but Tarant really drove that by coming in at over 5 a.5% because just days before we got those, I was thinking it was probably going to be about 3%. And it was really the 209 01:03:19.200 --> 01:03:36.799 commercial growth that drove that given the reappraisal plan and and the fact that a lot of home values seem to actually decrease slightly year-toear. And it was that growth that allowed us to cut the tax rate going into this year 210 01:03:36.799 --> 01:03:55.920 by a quarter cent. So this April kicks off the process and a few months of analyzing these and predicting what we might have by July knowing that it's going to come down because of protests. We're seeing about 8 and a half% growth in properties 211 01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:12.400 overall and that's better than we were doing this time last year in April. So that's a plus seeing that. And once again that's driven by our two larger counties and Tarant and Denton. So both of those again thanks to commercial are higher in 212 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:28.160 their growth than they were last April. And uh commercial new construction overall not just commercial new construction but that category is is looking a little bit stronger than last April too because that was about 2.6 213 01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:45.119 million this time last year and that grew between April and July the past couple years. So hopefully we'll see that same effect. And I always want to give some detail on Wise County because I know the sometimes it's way up, sometimes it's way down. So there's a lot of mineral properties that could 214 01:04:45.119 --> 01:05:04.319 make that really volatile, but now for the first time, we've got a a new subdivision in Wise County. So that should stabilize that a little bit more over the years. And these values that we got in April, they actually would have been probably a few billion dollars higher. But I want 215 01:05:04.319 --> 01:05:19.359 to tell you about what we're seeing for protests right now compared to previous years and and really remind you the general trend throughout the summer. So historically, or at least most of the years that we have on file, there's been next to no protests that we've had in 216 01:05:19.359 --> 01:05:33.920 April. There's some in May, but they really spike in June, and then mostly they're all resolved by July. So, for whatever reason, and I think I would really just attribute it to the fact that Taran Appraisal District has a new reporting 217 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:49.359 system this year, instead of the 20 million or so that we had last year, there's about $18 billion already under protest for Tarant. So, I think it's clear we're not going to have a thousand times as much protest 218 01:05:49.359 --> 01:06:05.839 activity as we did last year. asked the chief appraiser and he said he doesn't think his staff has really noticed a material difference in that volume. So, we're going to monitor this. I mean, it's it's always probably the hardest thing about projecting July value is 219 01:06:05.839 --> 01:06:21.200 knowing where the protests are going to go. And so, it's not clear what this indicates, but again, I'll remind you that um when we have properties under protest, we assume a lower value for them or the appraisal district does. So, 220 01:06:21.200 --> 01:06:40.480 um, this 18 billion under protest means that these numbers are about $3 billion than they would have been if it was similar to last April. So, if you're curious by type where we're seeing the growth, it's really a 221 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:56.160 lot like last year. So, it's looking pretty strong on the commercial side. And then the commercial personal property I'll talk about more on the next slide. That probably would have been higher as well, maybe around that range of the multifamily and the 222 01:06:56.160 --> 01:07:13.280 commercial real property. But if you remember, that's a a property category that's got a major new exemption this year. So I'll give you details on that, but you do probably want to take note of that single family residential. So including already some sort of an 223 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:27.920 estimate for those values that are under protest, even though we have some new construction there, we're seeing that that's looking flat. So I think that's going to be very possibly similar trend to last year to where home values might actually see a net decrease. And that's 224 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:50.960 again those are not being reappraised in Taran County. So some of those if they have a successful protest, you can see how they would fall from one year to the next. So, as for that new exemption, this is on business personal property, which is anything other than land and buildings 225 01:07:50.960 --> 01:08:05.920 that's used in the production of income. And this went from a $2,500 dimminimous exemption. And what that means is that anything valued over that wasn't actually even getting the exemption. The fact that they had this 226 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:24.000 was because it generated less revenue to have this on the rolls than it even cost to appraise it. So that went from $2,500 in most accounts getting no exemption up to $125,000. And previously we estimated to you that we thought that would lower our revenue 227 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:41.679 by about $6 million in the general fund. And at least what we're seeing from April values is that's about 5 million. So that impact was a little bit less than we thought it was going to be. That's another good point. A point of good news. Not a good point 228 01:08:41.679 --> 01:08:59.199 that I personally made. Yeah, could be both. And then using the term erosion, that's what we say, that's how we refer to the value that we lose to protest between April and July. 229 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:13.679 And as I said, this is so hard to predict. So two years ago, it really caught me off guard at that 6%. It was about a billion dollars worse than what I thought was the worst case scenario. And then last year, we had 230 01:09:13.679 --> 01:09:29.759 about a $3 billion happy surprise. So it's really hard to attribute meaning to that. You could say maybe in 2024 after a few years of values really growing, maybe that's why it was so high. Maybe you could say last year's was because they didn't reappraise on the 231 01:09:29.759 --> 01:09:47.520 residential side, but it's just hard to know for sure what that's going to be this year. But so that we can give you some sort of feeling about a realistic range, we're going to show revenue scenarios in a slide or two. And so on the low side, we're going to assume that 232 01:09:47.520 --> 01:10:03.840 2024 value of losing 6% between April and July. And then on a more optimistic note, which is what Tad included when they gave us some July forecasts, we're going to assume that it's going to be the same as last year. So TAD ran a a 233 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:21.679 simulation where similar property types lost the same percentage as they would have last July. So looking at these revenue scenarios and knowing that there's still a lot of time for this to play out, what these 234 01:10:21.679 --> 01:10:38.960 values are are telling us maybe a realistic range would be is basically about plus or minus 10 million from what we've previously presented. And that's that bold and metallicized line second from the bottom on that table. So, if we 235 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:56.320 don't lose very much to the protest, we could be doing a lot better than the previous forecast, which is I mean, if it's $10 million and negative 49 million is still almost a 40 $40 million hole, but um and this is not a binary outcome. 236 01:10:56.320 --> 01:11:18.640 So, it's possible you could see it being better than the good case. And what's most likely is it's probably going to be somewhere in between. And then to give you a brief explanation or reminder on on how this part of the whole equation called unused increment 237 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:35.280 works is that one of the tax rates we have to report is called the voter approval rate. And that sets a ceiling on the maximum amount that we could adopt without going to an election. And what that gives us to simplify it a little bit is that we could take all of 238 01:11:35.280 --> 01:11:50.719 the new revenue on new improvements and new construction and on increases to existing values we could take three and a half% of that. But if you go below that in some years then you can basically save up some of 239 01:11:50.719 --> 01:12:07.360 what you left on the table because you didn't adopt the maximum rate. So we should have after two out of the last three years not being anywhere close to that voter approval rate quite a bit of latitude. And so just if you 240 01:12:07.360 --> 01:12:23.120 imagine our existing value growth somehow came in so high that it pushed that voter approval rate down to 61 cents. Then we could probably use all of this un unused increment and we could have a flat tax rate. So, that'd be a 241 01:12:23.120 --> 01:12:42.719 great situation to be in if our existing growth was actually that high. But I think the bigger takeaway is we shouldn't really have to worry about whether or not we'll be limited on capturing existing growth. I'm going to move into sales tax now unless there's any questions on property 242 01:12:42.719 --> 01:12:58.960 tax. The sales tax is about a quarter of our overall general fund funding, maybe a little bit less. And for a few years there, you can see we were really doing well. We were averaging double digit growth there, 243 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:14.719 basically coming out of the pandemic. And I explained some of that about a month ago. But we've been since then closer to our long-term average, which tends to be about 4%. That's what we got last year. And so in order for us to hit the budget 244 01:13:14.719 --> 01:13:34.880 of 263 million that we set this year, we would need to get about 6% more in sales tax than we did in FY25. So far this year, I'm happy to say that we've been quite close to that. So we've had a couple months that are really not 245 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:51.679 as good as we would like them to be, but on the whole, we've had a lot of really good ones. And part of this discussion that can kind of get lost under the surface is that in some months, well really in every month, we'll have some audit adjustments. That's just a non-recurring thing that um the state 246 01:13:51.679 --> 01:14:08.480 will will take to take away from us or give to us if everything wasn't calculated perfectly in the past. So this year we've got a big negative audit adjustment we've already absorbed. So, the fact that despite that, we're still close to getting that 6% growth, I think 247 01:14:08.480 --> 01:14:24.880 is a a really good sign. I will say that just given the economic developments worldwide, nationwide, we probably haven't seen everything really even played out in the economy overall, let alone reflected in this data because 248 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:40.960 it's two months delayed. So our latest payment for example we we got this this month in May but it was for March economic activities. So some things might not if there's there's price shocks for example in oil that 249 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:56.400 would have barely only begun to trickle into that data. So we're going to keep monitoring that and I'll I'll touch on the the topic of inflation and what that means for forecasting before I wrap up here. But for our current year forecast, um 250 01:14:56.400 --> 01:15:13.760 given what we've collected so far, um of course we're always looking at the economy, we're always looking at what growth means for us, but we can tell a lot from just seasonal trends. And so the the easiest thing to probably wrap your mind around is just how much higher 251 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:28.000 than every other month December sales tax is because everybody's doing their holiday shopping. So based on what we tend to get in the second half of the year and the $130.4 million we've collected to date, 252 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:44.719 we are projecting about 261.5 million of total collections for FY26. And that's uh one.5 million below our budget, but that's about half of 1%. So pretty close and um better growth than 253 01:15:44.719 --> 01:16:03.520 we've seen the past couple years. So, if you move into next year, a few scenarios that we might consider if we weren't ever going to get any more data, which we will, are that if we kept that growth going and we saw high growth in 254 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:21.120 FY27 and we ended up at that 261.5 that we'd be looking at a sales tax budget of about 276 million. And even in a low growth scenario like we got in FY24, we'd be at 200 about 267. And that 255 01:16:21.120 --> 01:16:36.800 that's a little lower than that 268 I mentioned first slide. But here at least in contrast to the property taxes, it's a lot more heavily weighted to the upside. That's good news. And when you Oh, and 256 01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:53.920 so inflation we're um July is when we'll get the last payment that we can use in really setting the budget. And I was going to say that that's that's always a better growth indicator because it's the closest one to the next fiscal year. But what's going to be helpful as well about 257 01:16:53.920 --> 01:17:10.719 the July payment this year, which is for what's going on right now, May activity, that's not going to have any kind of bump that we might get from the World Cup. And so we we're all as much as we're all hoping that we'll see some increased activity, we wouldn't really 258 01:17:10.719 --> 01:17:25.360 want to bake that into our growth assumption for next year. So we won't have any concerns about that based on when we get that last payment for setting the budget. And I'm sure you all see how much inflation is being discussed right now. 259 01:17:25.360 --> 01:17:42.000 And that's just one of those things to where it's got competing impacts on if we think this is going to go up or down because I mean you buy any given thing if the price is higher that's going to be more sales tax. So in some circumstances inflation could lead to 260 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:57.679 higher receipts but if that's really a secondary impact of something that's not a good economic circumstance and it's the opposite of course. So, uh, we're always working with our professional economists and, uh, collaborating with our data analytics team as well on those 261 01:17:57.679 --> 01:18:12.480 items. To put it all together, looking at the sales tax and the property tax revenue growth picture for next year, uh, you're basically seeing kind of the same thing. I mean, there's a wide range 262 01:18:12.480 --> 01:18:28.239 of outcomes we still might see based on the biggest piece how those protests could shake out in the appraisal review board process, but also what's happening with the economy and our ability to sustain growth, especially in sales tax. 263 01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:45.360 And so, uh, July is when the picture really all comes together. So looking at the timeline, July 8th is when we'll get that last payment. July 25th or the day before that, July 24th is this year when we're going to 264 01:18:45.360 --> 01:19:03.199 get those certified values. And then the first week of August is when we'll at least let you know what the no new revenue rate and the voter approval rate are. And then throughout the summer, we'll present you with the proposed budget and adopt in September. 265 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:20.480 Any questions for Brady? >> Yes, Council Member Larsworf. >> Just a just a comment really um didn't really click until just now, but uh I don't know if you know Chandler Crouch at all, but he just filed 47,000 266 01:19:20.480 --> 01:19:36.000 protests for uh for residents in Tarant County and he did it all for free. So now I'm just wondering if you guys have a picture of him in your office like just like cursing this guy because he's out there doing God's work and he's probably like messing y'all's numbers all up. So, and I just uh just threw him under the bus. So, forget I even said 267 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:50.719 that name. >> I won't curse him publicly. I won't curse him at all. I'm I'm sure it's a big help to the >> Well, and and importantly, you know, we this is the system the state of Texas has set up. And um I'm always so impressed by your presentations to give us as as close as possible on revenue 268 01:19:50.719 --> 01:20:06.880 growth and um what we really think is going to happen in July and moving into next fiscal year. That's the point of these sessions. And um you know, we're in the service business, right? Every dollar that we collect has to go towards direct services to the residents and make tough choices. So, I really do appreciate you being so thoughtful in 269 01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:23.120 this presentation and to the entire budget staff. >> Thank you. Thank you all. >> Any other questions or comments? >> Okay. Council, any other future agenda items related to the budget that you'd like to make Jay aware of now? Yes, Council Hill. Uh Jake, are we going to get binders that have a more detailed 270 01:20:23.120 --> 01:20:40.320 budget breakdown before we get recess for July >> of this year's budget? >> No, for the as as we're building up the 2027 proposed budget, I think that might be helpful. >> I won't have we won't have a recommended budget by then. I mean, it's constantly 271 01:20:40.320 --> 01:20:57.280 putting that together. So the whole the whole budget um till mid to late July when we actually have >> will we get binders then you think >> you'll get them in August. >> Okay. >> Sorry. Okay. >> There's no way to to provide a 272 01:20:57.280 --> 01:21:08.600 preliminary one if we're taking things and changes in numbers. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Anybody else? Nope. Council. Thank you. Meeting is adjourned.