you're good all right um okay this is the um uh February uh 2025 uh environmental commission meeting of Franklin Township um let's
see all right our first order of business is the minutes um do we want to make I actually fig how to do this what did we say make a motion that's what it is yeah go ahead pledge no we we don't do
it I I but um do we uh want to make a a motion to uh approve the minutes for November and December I don't know if you guys want to look through them because it's been a while since we've looked through them and then we can come back to it I think I remember thinking the last time we came here in January
that it was approved oh yeah I was going to approve it so should we just come back to it just in case or I'm I'm going to just say uh if I remember correctly I think it was correct okay you I remember seeing all the numbers okay remember
yeah yeah so everything looks fine yeah okay yeah all right so I make a mission to approve the minutes from November the 25th and December the 30th yes second okay second yeah all right everybody in favor all in favor I I all right um all right let's see so
the next we have we have uh two guests we have Roger dur and Barbara Halburn uh any of our guests want to say [Music] anything I gu I forgot about that can't you sit here bar with with
like yeah yeah turn it on no they should all be on yeah I um I out that they have to get a li mediation gu clean up and I guess possibly tesam
it and I also discussed whether if the property is ever sold it it would need a isra which is what happen I was talking to the administrator and he said it was the cleanup was
done watch it was done oh interesting he said it he said draw it by it it looks beautiful and it's it's done so I you knowk you live next door right just got
some and I heard that they're going to make the pools in cing county and sell them in well that's the information I got from our administ no I just meant selling they're going to sell them they're going to make yeah I I didn't I don't know if
that's I don't know how he meant that he said they're going to sell it from that from that same area and it's too bad that we're going to have to be stuck with with that company that well they still need to go through the process of going to the
board and they can't just open up there's a house on the property they proposing of business business VI uh they need a site plan they need a SE system they need engineering they need to go through the process they open up
that's not the we again I I been completely out of this entire process matter years Haven and judge so matter should be
was make the there's a law then [Music] wasn't went tol gone the manufactur yeah um you know they I don't see why
the Jud everything and frankly there's so many other violations and then the lighting there is a complete violation like being you be seen from out of right you next door it's
insane all the stuff that they did n of it so I don't see how don't the whole operation was illegal everything you know I can imagine there was any instruction of any
of the improvements that they made all this but I and have they even PA a dime and I was wondering how they can open up and you know have a re redo it clean it
and still open up it just didn't make sense that they would have enough money we we must be finding them every day right I don't think they paying finds Jee so we can find we can find somebody
as much as you want town for judge judge has well have you ever went on the court docket and read all the pleadings and missions and settlements and whatnot what they fil against town is there more documentation other than what they
wereing the town of Well yeah if you go on the court docket you can see every every motion that's filed every correspondence everything yeah the settlement I mean the township went you know um you know filed the motion to enforce the settlement and then there was you know some corresponden regarding the fire and some correspondence
probably s I haven't checked the docket but um I mean if you go on the court docket there's you know I'm I'm 20 30 40 different uh you know documents on there that you can read goes through the course of the
entire case yeah New Jersey yeah New Jersey Superior Court you have to you have to register um to log in you know and uh and review it but you can go on there and search you know all that information just basically motions that are sign
judg that are it's anything Regard in in relation to that case so any anytime there's anything uh docked to that case it's it's viewable through that um that portal well you could go on and read it I
mean you know a lot of court cases contrary to what people believe there's not oral arguments there's not trials or stuff like that like a lot of these civil cases are all they're all paperwork cases you know I mean they go back and forth with uh motion filings and stuff like that and uh you know orders issued by the judge so I mean in
some cases there could be oral arguments but a majority of the time they're they're all done you know via paperwork you know so if you want to read the paperwork you can you can go in there and look at it all so and may shed some light on some of the questions that you are asking he you can't you can't uh ask
someone to leave the town because of their records of not obeying the rules we can't eject them from the township well I don't know what you count and can't do I'm just telling you that if you if you want to review the case documents they're they're available
to review okay all right I mean I I haven't read I mean you're talking thousands of pages of documents I haven't read them to see specifically what the the settlement agreement was um but there was some sort of settlement agreement like Mark alluded to um that required them to fulfill certain
obligations which they didn't and then the next step is to you know compel um compel them to comply so it's kind of like process I don't think the monetary side of it was necessarily dealt with 100% in the civil case I mean you're talking
there's two different things there's the local enforcement issues and then the uh the superior court case so I don't know where they they merged and where they were separate but when I talk to
somebody you know Regional and you know and and you know realm of what's going on you know he said a lot ofe to the environmental side of
thing and uh but you can if they want to still even though it's in continue to [Music] find continually for all this stuff like liting having all of that stuff
I'm not I'm saying are but at the day I don't know and I think that's a question that has to be brought before the legl Ora dep Community Affairs I hands have no power to
power to enforce [Music] our that's like a different matter I mean but the landing FL to be there to protect Community as the Z and heal
enp of it would be to stop something like this so there's something wrong with the system going other than and D well I think the local find issue is
dealt with here with the municipal court judge so yeah I don't know if the if the prosecutor can can appeal you know his uh decisions you know waving fines and stuff like that like I don't really know but you would think that the you know between the prosecutor and the judge the
municipality would send thingss that they appoint the judge some sort of you know direction that you can't be settling all these these fines for pennies on the dollar but that that's speculation on my part so are
comp and my understanding when I talk is that they own a property and I'm where they on yeah that's where they're moving their manufacturing to it's right on
Main at the I was I was like looking at it going unbelievable if they're going to put this over there there all these old CES you know like the big St maybe we should give
them a heads up you know well I think they may have the approvals to do it there I'm not again speculation [Music] but do anything oh yeah this is the plans yeah
um for emergency managing hazardous way we just got our uh update I would say about the the pool place but um honestly I completely as I saw this I was like I just forgot that I had not emailed Matt and I'm very sorry that I hadn't emailed him to see if there was any other uh
hazardous or U Emergency Management thing we you know about but I'll email him um uh tonight and just see if there's anything if there is anything I'll email everybody and just let them know um but I guess will go to our for
our two applications we have two zoning board applications we have ZB 2501 um which I don't have it in front of me which one was that ZB you go1 um that one's at um 1066 Row Avenue of
Franklinville um it is uh let's see this is the a pole barn pole barn Okay small very small P bar yeah I so this is the pole barn what's the size of the P oh let's see I think it's like 20 by 30 maybe um
the plans are attached on the back okay 30 by 20 600 ft wait is it royaly yeah yeah I don't know if anybody has
anything they want to say about this one uh no no comment for me okay yeah why don't you remain no and you can you can come up if you
want I don't mind at all I I actually don't know no I didn't see anything okay so should we say I I forgot what we've done in the past we' say like um no comment but we need a letter of
interpretation kind of a thing it's not a no comment okay yeah gotcha okay okay okay how far is that from aut I don't know actually it's right next to 55 so where the 55 where they
ever pass the first property in the L all right um and the second one is uh zv 2502 and that one was um the addition uh if I'm not mistaken yeah it was just a revision to
the a prior approval right oh okay yeah I believe so they got their approval uh back in 2024 I guess just changing something Salem Avenue I think I really forget I really forget last year's you said that was in uh like I
think November of uh 24 they got their approval october24 October right here I'm sorry uh I don't know if they had a sidey yard setback issue or I
it says previously approved variants right so yeah something was previously approved I guess they're just changing it a little bit how how what's the size of that addition didn't you have it h i I can find it yeah I just so I just figured since it was right there
I don't see oh wait a minute what the feet it says Street of feet and depth of it's just a lot size all the way on the back I think the last page is survey maybe oh wellow we
have pictures last page yeah if you can read any of that can you show me with your finger where we're talking about I'm assuming this is the house the dark line is the house I don't know if they're putting an
addition on the both sides or yeah it's already would be this way 15 yes so it looks like maybe this well for this way so this is the addition it looks like what's this it looks like this year might be the Edition in this year
okay yeah see the dark line there I think that's the existing house uhhuh it looks like they may be putting something on either side here H and yet they're different looking right I mean as far as the drawings go so I can't I can't so it looks like it's
what 40 is that 49 70 like 54.5 it looks like that's maybe yeah the dist you want to see it bar come
on no but you can unless maybe it looks like maybe they're adding something back here in the back there cuz I see another dimension there that 40t mhm yeah maybe that's what it is if it's only 40 on the rear property line that's a side
line and that's 142 F this is 54 I'm assuming it's residential so wouldn't this meet all the setbacks Jason of a res I don't know if is it Pinelands Pinelands ra residential I don't know what the is well isn't the setback the
same in fin lands are residential no I don't believe they're all different each St this is [Music] 15 I think what it would be it looks like they that maybe that was the original drawing and then they they
added something on there cuz you have some stuff handr this looks handwritten but I couldn't imagine that the set back would be more than 40 ft to a ctive sideline would you no I I don't without revealing you I don't
you know it's I don't know how big de is I mean my only question is you know are they far enough from the St but I don't know so I W really say yeah I
don't know why they're even going some Zoning for but usually it explains the application why someone is going they all this stuff there was no review L for that one
right what no engine review letter I don't think so now I thought that I thought he had said that um the things were missing it was it was incomplete oh maybe that's the one yeah I mean usually there's an
explanation as to what you know I'm just wondering if we're sending people to boards they don't need to be going to and making them spend money that they don't need to be varant to bump backwards is approximately 15 ft well that's the size
of what they're bumping I don't know why you need a variance to bump back 15 ft yeah I know we didn't understand why this needed one in the first place and I still don't understand so I don't know
if the zoning office made a mistake or if there's really a legitimate reason to put the applicant through all this yeah it's not explains at all here
which is very odd in the first place could be lot size too I mean um what's the last size I don't know why L size would matter pretty exting well there's usually some sort of
exception me um the ordinance I don't know if it applies to the Pine lands for all residential so if you have a pre-existing non forming lot so long as you meet the setbacks you should be able to develop it that even if it's smaller
than what's the minimum AC and a half I think it's 3.2 um in this Z yeah right um but that's the Pand thing and they they wouldn't even look at this right uh I don't know what they do
course theil they don't no comment so we'll say no comment for that one and then well everybody good with saying uh needs letter of interpretation for 251 with the other one yeah yeah that's
that's the only com yeah okay very well um moving on uh to Old business malga Lake Park I have not been uh since I guess December maybe I forget when I went last time but I'm going to
be going uh um on Wednesday so I'll let anybody know if this next meeting you know if I see anything noteworthy but um but [Music] py okay [Music]
[Music] I'm sorry not be putting is in just minut okay [Music] [Music] [Music] and as far as Piney Hollow goes um I was there uh I guess it was back in January
and um went took pictures of uh all the trash that's um bordering our land and I forward it to um the guy you told me about and he forward it to the appropriate people and he said he's going to get it cleaned up so uh hoping
that's going to happen I'm not sure when I don't have any timeline anything yet but um I'm going to just kind of keep reaching out every once in a while and saying if there's any progress or whatever and I offered to take them out there to show them exactly where it is um uh so um you know hopefully I'll have
more information next time but I'm I'm hoping that's going to be something that's going to be taken care of sometime soon um need a new gate right fence it just you know a stronger fence than the last fence that they this mode
down I guess yeah there's no sign but right right yeah right on Piney Halla road we need one and um uh oh yeah so Mark um I I feel like a couple months ago you're talking about they were thinking about doing something with like
the divots um like there's the there's like three or four of them uh and then there's another one on the other Chanel that goes down to unexpected Road um but I kind of forget exactly what you're saying like if it was how they were they
going to fill in with or like try to smooth it out or something okay yeah I saw those too okay okay okay I just was because I when I went there we did see the gates but I didn't see any evidence of any work
being done so I was just wasn't sure uh you know I didn't know if you knew anything more about it so okay awesome look there also um a whole gate that was down on [Music]
the right before you there that we put in for the G but the day is on so that's a big that's a big weak spot yeah and another big oh from the parking lot I didn't see
one yeah last time I was there and I guess it was like mid January or something like that I think all the barriers that they put up on unexpected they they are Lees it vulnerable that's where a lot of the damage is done by people
coming in off the parking or off and now that it's Dr with the start in again Mark I I hear you say they're putting a fence up across Malaga Lake Park or gates at the
just Gates or fence the entire thing [Music] okay who who's going to open and close the gates every day I once you get pass to B working
on there's a c with a concrete of structure and that c take the water that comes off the field and collect in a pond and through that water into the
stream Pond where the me the out that and it's the C is so large that my 90 lb sear walk right through it so it's like this
not while the water to go out out there while and actually while we're talking about Parks I I take a walk at uh the uh Forest Grove uh Park right next to the fire station all the time it's right
down the street from my house and I noticed that I there's only two swings they have like a they have like the baby swing and they have like the is it is it okay all right it's just been missing for and I just heard somebody say the other day uh they're like oh I really wish there was two of them so I was just
like I just didn't I just want to put that out there just because um you know I just kind of feel bad that they weren't able to like swing both of their kids at the same time so that's a well-used part yeah um all right anybody else want to say
anything about those Parks before we move on new business I have a question yeah I know you guys are all environmental list and tied in with the different organizations is there not somebody out there that we could give that Piney Hollow park to that would manage it
um more adequately maybe than the township can like The Nature Conservancy or one of these other groups that's more geared towards the the large natural open areas anybody know anybody ever consider that
Contra I'm sorry can you repeat that it was given to the town by an estate right and I don't know what the conditions would be if you decided to transfer whe
the transfer even because of the condition of the contract that was put in place to provide that well even if it wasn't an outright fee simple transfer are are there any of these groups out there that
you're aware of that might partner with the township to provide the Management Services their neighbor and I believe we're trying to sell them the two the end of unexpected road that they
tried to put a Sal tower on a trans down a years ago to put a cell shower on you know communication out in that area of town but the Pine Land refused to allow
something like that in such an area so when I was the chair of the environmental commission I you know wrote to the township and the county and now to get them to transfer trft to the
town because it was not a developable and it was part of the trail but then I read in the paper that we are selling that the green anchor tail to the unexpressed wildlife people this is
fine um maybe they would be in the Press because they're managing their seven or 900 ACR next to it so their ability to matter yeah it's something you
know might be worth investigating you know I mean it's really it's not easy to visit unexpected you have to make appointments and uh and it's also it's a
hard land to uh walk across it's um there are no there are no actual paths it's uh and it's quite wet is that how you remember it Evan it was
um what unexpected yeah yeah I mean we came out full of tixs we were you know um cuz there's there's no cleared land they they they have a different they have a very strict philosophy about
their land and it's like don't touch it don't improve it you know for trails and things take that much care power you know a few
barricades you know getting the fer to clean up the n and you know moving the TRS out we go long way you know as far as maintenance by clean up things like that that could
be organized the D not yeah it just seems as though there's you know the township struggles with the with the lack of resources to do a lot of what they do and I don't really think they're
equipped to properly manage uh a piece of land like that you know what I mean so I was just thinking if there was some way that maybe uh more well equipped and more experienced with uh you know managing these larger tracks of land I mean it's obviously much different there than you
know a 5 acre paralon Forest Grove Road that has a playground in a in a track you know so well who can we find out how can we find out like who what lawyer do we have that we could go to to find out if we could well I was asking you guys
because I know you guys are tiing with all the environmental groups you know I mean it's not really relevant I have a lot that I could think of it's not but I don't want to go there if if we can't even move on that contract that we have it's not right legal cons says that
responsibility to do all these things too much legal there yeah so I don't want to go anywhere further yeah okay I'm thinking The Nature Conservancy uhhuh
unexpected when you go um there uhhuh there a lot of have the the but so we'll find out and see if we can move on that because I don't care if it's the town to property or if it
belongs to The Nature Conservancy well even if they would agree to manage it you know what I mean it might might be beneficial to all parties you know maybe them as well as the township um just just a thought I had while we're sitting here all right so I have two things for
new business um one is uh the end of the year or whatever it's annual report how do I what do I do with that do I just do I send it to Candice and and and she sends it to the appropriate person to put
online or uh do I send it some to somebody else does anybody know I'm done with I'm going to send it to everybody so they can you can all look and see if you like it but um yeah okay okay gotcha okay okay out to will review it and send
it over Township committee okay you file do we have to can you guys just be like looks good through email or do we have to like vote on it I mean look probably should yeah adopt it you know adopt it at our next meeting okay all
right um and also um andj I don't know what we do about that as well the we just got this today um and it's just about our membership does so how do we handle that as well I think you give it to Candace and they
give it and she gives it to the committee because I think they do pay for it okay I can get it I I just wanted you to see so if you still wanted to sign up for it you can fill it out and I can get a cuton sent in okay all right s sounds good you should
sign up for it yeah so we just sign it it looks like there's a couple little things we have to fill out and that's it I guess does everybody agree that we should get it yeah yeah I mean you guys get the newsletters and all that you like getting all that stuff I how much are the D they're not much uh what is it here um 450 yeah
yeah Mark pay for that take that a sh do we have do we have um is that do we just ask for money every time we need it from the committee or do we have uh funds that we have for the year just
then yeah we don't have any funds we have to go to Finland for each for each uh dollar that we spend right we used to have money used to oh well I mean you might well there might be a certain amount of money allocated to the
environmental commission we obviously can't spend it we we have to submit a request for it but I mean I don't know if Mark knows I don't want to put them on the spot but during the budget yeah I was going to say I know there's like probably a little sliping so side
right yeah so you're saying ahead of budget season like we if we want to be allocated a certain amount of funds we should request this oh yeah yeah no yeah I agree with you yeah yeah we can't just oh yeah issues CFO oh yeah it's got
yeah it's got to get through the CF yeah pay the bills but I mean if you're not sure what that am is you can reach out to right yeah CU we may actually have an allocation of a certain amount of money to it okay if it's 6 800,000 bucks or
whatever you know yeah whatever it may be okay and we don't have any mail that was pretty much it and it's not really mail so um all right should we make a motion to uh yeah yeah yeah nothing you have to say I make
Mission I all in favor all in favor all for