okay I'm ready oh okay very good all right everybody welcome to the uh March 2025 uh environmental commission um let's see i guess we'll get started with the minutes does anybody want to make a motion to
approve the February minutes i'll make a motion okay all approved all right i Perfect um I you know I should probably put the um annual report in there as well um did anybody have a
chance to look at the annual report i did you did a nice job putting it together cool can we Is that Do we make a motion all right um so uh anybody want to make a motion to approve the annual report i do okay all right i'll approve all right
okay um so yes we have Roger Durr Barbara Halpern um Dave Marshall okay and I don't know you what was your name okay um so anybody any of our guests
have anything they would like to say before we get started with the meeting yes um I've heard from a resident who has concerns about trees being removed or a
a lot that's going to have a house on it or house being built on it and he inquired this past law with the tree ordinance doesn't apply to new construction so it seems the tree ordinance which has
been in effect since the summer of 2024 is not being the construction office I'm aware of they should get any permit constructed unless they have a permit
for a be approval if you have a comment on that I remember when they were trying when they were they had it up here i came to that meeting and and there were a lot of construction men out there curious about
it so they're aware of it now this man is doing it on his own is that right this this man who cut out cut down all his trees yeah i guess the property owner
yep were you aware that construction is not doing that job well if you come in for a construction comment you know and if they're telling people who inquire that they're not required then follow the
tree uhhuh yeah I mean that's very concerning cuz you know almost all these plants are you know trees being removed and obviously we're not that's the way you know the
main so that's what can we do about it well you can do as part of Mrs finley find out what's going on okay um if this was the policy the next step
would be to reach out to people at Storm Water um because they don't want to hear it from lay people and if the state tells the town they're not applying this properly and not doing what they need to be doing
it's a lot more effective than the envo commission or the general public so if a tree like this was really catching the country at that point it should go back to the officials to educate they may not be
aware we'll make sure that they get trained on whatever gets passed to a committee or planning board in the event like in this case was passed through at that point to be made aware that there is now in charge
of personal if you're unaware of the break down some words in that something that went through maybe a few of us could call Mr
finley you know kind of bother him is he back at work though i thought he was out of the office for the next couple weeks oh email bounce back that I got back field back okay I'll I'll do
[Music] it just wait my farmers were cutting down trees too i don't I think yours is different on that side except I don't remember the specific discuss except that it's right next to I
have farmland and then it's trees and and then it's the black water stream so I think that they might have been doing it illegally right when they brought up the meeting there was there
was a discussion about whether the rate reform has precedent or whether it was decided during the meeting officially i'm going to look into it it it was not yet decided well I'd be I don't know what's been decided since then but I Oh I'd love to know so Mr finley okay well
there's something in the state or that other part of the park right and that's why there was some gray area going in face to face um yeah first of all right
now they must sometime in the summer so anybody also mentioned last time Mr brandt has brought up selling hollow that's not possible
inventory you can't sell a property that keeps on creating because it's on the rock yeah you can certainly sell that one lot on the property but the entire 200 I believe 2 acres they combine these tiny
hollow did so it's not just up to the um people who gave the land to the town it's also regulated by the city of your neighbor so selling that would be virtually impossible
the town has so it's our park it's our responsibility and it's a beauty well just to correct exactly what I said I think I might have said sell or partner with another organization for
the management of that parcel so right and I know that And there are lots of out [Music]
there for someone else okay did anybody else want to say anything before we move on regarding that tree ordinance um I'll have to do some further research on it however um I believe I've been told that
there's multiple municipalities within the state that are um challenging the requirement for those ordinances um so again I haven't I haven't you know I'm not well read on it so I I can't really speak to it but you know hopefully those
challenges are successful and that ordinance will be repealed um you know uh in in due course but um perhaps again it's pure speculation maybe there's an issue with the enforcement you know pending that litigation i'm not sure
again I can't speak to that so just a thought so file again yeah this is all hearsay on my part so I'd have to further research it but um I do believe some municipalities and Mark you just you mentioned you said that is true
um so from what I understand from the statements wasn't accurate so there could could possibly be litigation uh with other municipalities
right right got it gotcha thank you that's all I have on that and you wanted to do it because it's it causes uh problems for the person who's going to construct like your company no I I just believe that it's a it's an
unconstitutional uh requirement in violation of everyone's you know fifth amendment protections under the constitution um which uh a portion of protects um individuals from uh government entities taking their
property without just compensation so um I'm not necessarily opposed i don't really have an opinion on it uh one way or the other i just think that the ordinance is written is a violation of that so and again these ordinances were you
know essentially towns were extorted to um enact these ordinances by the D which is a you know regulatory body that is is made up of a bunch of unelected officials so I just don't like the whole process i mean it could could have been anything it could have been you know
uh uh I don't know what what a good comparable example would be but just the fact that uh the way that the whole thing went down is what I have an objection to so that that ordinance you know if it were to be voted on by the people of this town would never in a
million years pass so we're um you know we're being forced uh into you know recognizing some regulation that the people here uh don't want so I just don't don't agree with the whole process so to speak so I know we differ on that i mean you you
you probably would you probably would vote for something like that but that's just a difference of opinion we're in a you know serious situation with our environment and trees have a large part in help in helping us right clean the air so I
think um I think that some things are going to be uh forced on us well that that's I mean not to get into a debate over the constitution but that's the the constitutionality of it is if you believe that the trees are a benefit to the public then people that who own the
trees should be compensated uh by the public if there's a public uh benefit then the public should equally pay for that benefit if you follow what I'm saying that that that burden shouldn't be borne by a certain uh group of the
public over another yeah well they're going to be cutting down trees on their property to build something to make money so yeah no I think it should be them again difference of opinion it does more than one person you know when you take
tree down you're not just affecting the property that you own you're affecting the name of property if you go down with runoff you'll have no wine pollution you have air pollution you'll have more which is why the tree mate state no
sense under the state's mandates you could remove a tree from property and the town's responsible for planting it anywhere else in the county so it makes no sense for going off 50 trees from your home then 50 trees in a park 15 miles away
so a lot of things that you would basically I feel forced and voted for in my state but not a lot necessarily and increasing the number of trees is a big thing whether and we removing trees you know
the trees are older than the property owners will ever get a lot of these trees so to say you own the tray and let's say you own a mountain say you own the signing on you know well well what what if you had a a parcel of property
that had no trees on it do you agree with a mandate to plant trees on it no no well what's the difference it's already done you know you're not going to Well you said more trees are better for for the public so planting more trees would be better so why don't we
mandate anyone that has a vacant piece of property that doesn't have trees on it should plant trees when you develop it you are mandated to put trees right that's what what what does development have anything to do with anything if I have a parcel of property I want to go
cut every tree on it i mean what what if I don't like trees like I mean we could debate this all all day long i mean it's you have your opinions and I have my opinions i mean mine are rooted in the law um I don't disagree that trees are beneficial so um I mean I'm not going to
debate that however you know if if there's going to be a a broad uh public benefit then the burden for that public benefit should be shared by the entire public not certain individuals well if you want to enact the law that paid me for my treat but you know what there's a
law that that actually penalizes me for having an electric car it's cost me over $300 to register my electric car that I drove you see I've had this car for a year and a half it has 4,000 miles on it but I have to pay to stay over
$250 to make up for gas tax that I would have never paid in the first place cuz I don't go anywhere with the gas well listen yeah don't just don't drive your car on the roads and then I agree that you shouldn't have to pay to pay yeah but why aren't I paying like you you're paying by the mile with the gas that you
bought i'm not paying by the mile with my electric car i'm paying for everyone else's burden because the use of my car is not costing very much when I only drive 2,000 miles a year well so you're just you're just upset with the scheme they're using to collect the money not
that you have to pay club actually trying to refer to the use related to the mileage just like it is for um regular gas powered vehicles so you know that doesn't make any sense the way that they just penalize everyone whether
you're a little old lady can never drive or whether you're someone that drives Well you're not what about the person that drives in excess of that i mean I'm not saying that it it wouldn't be it should be related to the the mileage that would be more fair yeah so
right just like the stupid tree ordinance they do that doesn't make sense they don't make sense there and they don't make sense on the trees yeah so you know we're going to have to change every single law good luck getting rid of the tree limit
but you know is it taking up your land you say you have to have stormware infrastructure to move the same thing no you have to have stormware infrastructure in relationship to a development so you if if no if no one's developing anything you you still are
wanting to apply the tree ordinance but most people remove the trees because they want to develop them perhaps so or they're farmers or for any other reason i don't know why they do it but farmers may actually have the case if they're under
right from my understanding right does not apply to everybody who claims to be a farmer farmer it's more complicated than that so well my farmers removed a whole bunch of
trees when new land just opened up to them they open they removed a whole bunch of trees and now they can't form an area of their of their land because of the flooding so oh
well yeah there's a reason for the trees yep yeah franklin Township is a recharge area it's good for water it's good for the trees yeah that's everyone all right um we'll uh move on to emergency management and hazardous waste
there are no uh things to report um I contacted Matt and he said there's no D things to report this um go ahead there's the property that's where the old public steward is going to be here behind that
possible back tank oil piece of property is that what you were talking about Mark see I haven't seen that it's an eyesore i mean he just it's full of trash but he's got he's bringing in drums of
things and buying them in the back of the property and he's got fuel tanks or at least one fuel tank get three you got one you can see on top of the one trailer then he pulls up the machines with these fuel pumps and who is this person somebody that bought the property from
the one that was going to put the public storage in and you know it failed he bought it from just he's got like six or seven businesses under his name of different types but I don't know what he's his purpose is here i can't get a further answer because it's not on the main but I brought up a meeting and we get the uh
involved because of the fuel issues possibly after a possible environmental issue here but I don't know what what or not so much sto but I what it is oh boy I'm gonna have a long
conversation on okay and also I should bring up does anybody uh have any in more information about the the pool place that caught on fire is there any I just like feel like we haven't heard of anything about it at all said that they're they're
still working on it but Okay but um he said that u I do you want me to relate what you said that they they were pouring all this water on it to put the fire out and um and and now but they're
not they're not testing water they're not testing wells okay and um they're having a run off water run off yeah it's um it's worrisome i don't know um I don't know
you can because yeah [Music] first contact [Music] All right um I guess we'll move on to
our applications so I thought we had four applications cuz I had gotten four as far as I saw on the thing that was do you know one of them was withdrawn or something is cuz I see that we have um the Cooh's Mill one right and then we
have the one across the number yeah originally I wasn't given any numbers on the thing they were all blank it was very confusing it's possible maybe they had withdrawn it temporarily or it required more information okay it's f it's fine it's I just I have four
on here and I guess I'll just have to make sure they match up with the plans we got but uh the first one I had down was um let's see the 1785 Cole Mill Road one which is this one right here okay it's good sb or Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z
Z Z Z Z Z Z 255 yeah thank you yep okay so that one was um they want a C variance for two lots that are 99 ft of frontage instead of the required 100 feet in the Franklinville Village District um they want to build two homes and lots
uh and uh they're both going to be twotory they kind of in the plans they kind of looked identical it's like everything just seemed to mirror except for maybe where the septic was um did anybody uh want to comment on those at all
i um I can send it to you if you want and Yeah I can okay because I actually was probably should send it to you but I forgot to send it to you so I'll send it to you now okay and then we'll get you one print me one too Candace if you don't mind sure so I can have it i have to
look at my phone the other um while she's getting that the other application looks like was the one on Blue Bell Road yeah that's the one i don't see that one right that we don't have any paper copies for um uh it was a pole barn on a lot on Blue
Bell Road uh he just I think blue is oversized for the permitted can we discuss Koh's Mill sure sure can um yeah I don't really have any comment on Cooh's Mill um each lot is 1 foot
short of meeting the the requirement so other than that that's the only reason they're going to the zoning board so I don't really um let's see yeah so that goes without no comment yeah and I kind of because
uh I guess so the it's just the variance that he's doing now and I guess we're going to get the thing for the homes later is that what it's going to be or are they included in the same yeah if there's a conforming lot I mean we don't we don't review it yeah it's handled internally so
um no once he gets his approvals he or she I don't know who's applying but um gets their approval for the uh for the lot with variance which I I believe that's how many variants are looking for it's 99 ft where 100 ft is required yeah um then that would all be you know
handled internally uh within the administration as far as approvals okay right so we should um is it is that just coming okay so the blue belt one doesn't seem to be on here the other one was Sahara sand i don't
really know i mean I believe maybe Barbara can speak to it or Mark that's kind of what was hoping they come in for for periodic permit renewals i I can't really tell you know very confusing
you have a paper yeah basically what I wrote down from the application um is well first of all just for everybody you know for the I'm looking here i mean for the audience it's just it's it's a Coosmill Road and Bluebell Road uh and
it's Piland's residential rural district and it's Franklin Township block 6103 lots 12 9 10 and 11 as far as I could see and then it goes into Monroe Township and um and it said that if I remember correctly it said that they are
not doing anything in the Franklin Township uh um area but they're I guess doing stuff in Monroe but they said in Franklin Township they use that for like they have storage there of um mining equipment and I guess stuff that's
already been mined or something surprised by all the trucks coming in are told no unless they're changing that no I mean their their application states uh request for site plan approval and renewal of resource extraction and soil
removal permit yeah i mean I've se I've you know I've lived in Franklin since 2009 and been involved with stuff and they like I said they come in periodically every 3 years maybe um for I think they're more often permit you know I I know they were here
recently for that solar project but uh aside from that I mean I think it's just all okay they're permit renewals i mean maybe they're on a three-ear cycle or 5 year cycle or something i don't really know but what Evan said makes sense because they um I think they're all mined out in
Franklin um from what I recall and again don't take that for a fact but most of their activities are in Monroe yeah it has to be handled they're talking about removing stuff for a while i don't know if these are the last
request what do you mean requested before like um they requested previously an expansion oh okay yeah and I don't know if that that was if
they were requesting more expansion or not i'm not really sure [Music] anybody want a paper gun oh no i'm good i have mine right here yeah [Music] that first application was there a
result with no comment oh just no comment yeah and now we're on the um Sahara Sands Mine which is Let's see what's the Well I'll get you the uh application number in a second sp25-03 plan probably right so why would
they is is it just because they have to go to Monroe Township and our township to you know whatever they're you know is it they have to if they're just going to mine on in Monroe Township well I think in order and again this is speculation on my part yeah in order for them to
keep their permit valid um in Franklin Township they have to come every again I'm making this up three years for there's a certain time period their permit is only good for so they have to renew their permit and and I guess the way the ordinance is written is that that renewal will be approved by the
planning board so that's why they come they continually come back to the planning board okay uh time and again for renewal of their permit okay there is a revised letter from the finance according to this plan that's being 12425 is that in the application no not
it's unclear cuz they have a line here mining area permanent period 2019 to 2024 and then over here they're saying area line beyond improved limit 17.28 without the letter
when they're done what's it going to be like i think they probably have a a reclamation plan uh I don't know what it looks like but I assume they have to i think they have to top soil and landscape so they may have to make sure that the edges don't drop off yeah they they grade the edges to a certain degree
yeah they try to make it a little safer so that the public eventually usually property building needs to build on it probably not but it's possible to
lines probably some kind of park like that yeah you're involved with the property you got to get a permit to show cost what does SP mean when it says site plan site plan okay so that when I when I put
my uh or what do you call the comment sheet in right i don't I don't put planning board or zoning well that's what I mean this this is checked off it's going to the planning board but I guess they're using SP now i mean all right they used to be PB unless she's you know Yeah when
there's a site plan she's labeling labeling sp I don't know probably's trying to confuse us I think what do you think you have on that simple pl now they now now they throw in sight
plants worse it confuses should we should we say no comment for now unless we discover something before the uh end of the meeting what they are asking how does that sound good to everybody yeah
either no sound you know what they're requiring them to do do not understand okay and then the final one was this Plains Farm uh LLC which is on Delta
Drive opposite of the uh Brooks Auction uh it's block 1306 lot 34 they want to use the land to build um four buildings to house eight flex space uh office uh sorry space office/contractor storage
units um and two and a half yeah I think that's like two 2.4 2.5 acres or something mark can we have our plan back are we allowed to ask questions at this sure yeah no yeah I should Oh sorry i'm
not used to having other guests honestly so I kind of like Yeah but feel free yeah you want to see the architecturals for the buildings yeah i I believe it's it's four four two unit buildings so eight units
yeah i mean I think I added it says 24,000 in total for all the buildings for total yeah which is more than half an acre i mean essentially the entire site is covered with impervious cover for the most part except the perimeter
inadequate storm water you said there was something storm water well here's a storm water report if you want to look at i'd love to see that because what I've seen is the road going in is not usually imp not the per is limited to the park the
smaller vehicle parking um and the building take up you know half an acre which trigger storm water through that and three of the removed which triggered storm water as well so you know perfect pavement is meant to
handle where the pavement is it's not meant to handle all these other things and all the property is based on the topography and the excess water is going to dump on the two houses on either side i can't figure out the storm water cuz I see a lot of infrastructure here like
inlets and piping but I don't know where it goes to right well it it doesn't go anywhere it goes to the um pvious pavement is what I'm seeing and that's not adequate i don't think any of that's adequate i mean I'd like to read what
he's saying i'd like to know if the engineer for the town has reviewed this and what his report yeah we don't have that report it's sort of difficult to review and not know what's already been hit by the engineer because
it's better if we know what he's already aware of so we don't have to ask the question what was it what was this bottle 220 [Music] now is he going to rent these units out
or is he going to use them for himself yeah I don't know and I don't know what mean they mean yeah I I I really have no idea other than that they become storage units and that's what the plants look like they just look like a used store
kind of to me yeah it's hard to read the scale down plan a lot of the the stuff is uh almost well I mean even even like the writing like I mean I know my eyesight's not what it used to be but
I can't read my comments for the buildings and the state clearing and the roadway forest because those pipes don't go anywhere but in the forest so it seems to me based on what I
know we increase their previous quite a bit of [Music] partous are permitted in the H zone and no matter what they call them those are warehouses again we need the engineers
right this needs to go to the zing board the amount of B is the planning board because it they have to get in there um only a portion of the table i already said that okay they're calling the
building set up a buffer okay a buffer is trees staggered to buffer the neighborh it's a setback it may not be it may be greater than the required
response on the plan but that's completely bogus that anybody on the board doesn't get that you know you look at the landing plan it's completely ridiculous the houses are really close
to this and he's putting 10 lb of crap in a 5 lb bag again which is why Malib is a mess and you know everything overflows and why the water table is a problem and keep
driving one thing I noticed and I I have to give this shout out to my friend Ralph Travel in is they don't and I disagree with him on this but they don't show the the agricultural buffer uh on the rear line either oh there was an which I know is there because we
reviewed it um when the gentleman two two lots down uh proposed his building so yeah there should be an agricultural buffer again not I I disagree that there should be one there however it's been interpreted as such that there is one there wait a minute didn't we go through
this at the hearing where I brought it up for the dollar store and I was told that there is no agricultural offer in the highway as well that that's yeah there's a differentiation between this and that application that application
was buffered or a joint see mark see it um was a joined by another parcel in the highway commercial zone so it was determined that there's no buffer between two parcels that are zoned highway commercial this however is that
the parcel in question is highway commercial the parcel behind it is RA do you understand what I'm saying okay that's the differentiation between the two situations yeah but I don't know that because of the way the ordinance that there's any
um anything in it that would cause them to have to Well the way the ordinance is written it says there's a buffer requirement from any RA property the argument on the Dollar General was the adjacent property that they were saying there was a buffer
from was not RA okay well the form buffer this property is not RA either so how would there be a buffer on it because the ordinance says any property adjacent to a property in the RA there was no buffer in the Dollar General
scenario because the adjacent property was also highway commercial it was not RA what are you saying there's a car in the RA zone that should be buffered onto the highway commercial yeah again I'm not saying that I agree with that but that's how it's previously
been interpreted by the township yes that's what Ralph interpreted it as well well yeah i mean Ralph thinks there should be buffers for agricultural everywhere but that's neither here nor there when you got that master plan that was off no we didn't i mean we didn't really discuss it with the master plan
but speaking of the nest plan what is going on with that uh it's in the hands of the township committee and then after they tried to rush him through uh that Yeah you'd have to talk to them about that don't they have to have the um doesn't
it have to be passed real soon isn't it a law agricultural buffer two years ago yeah but it's delayed for whatever reason i don't know what the legal is
situation hope they don't believe all with our our township tax money right all these meetings here tonight i'm sorry about that i mean I think the not the last planning board meeting but the prior planning
board meeting um Ralph Travelin actually uh brought brought it up and had asked uh I think either the mayor or deputy mayor what the status was and that um they said they were working on it so I mean I wish I had more of an update for you but I would direct you to township
committee on that okay um so should we for this application what are our comments yeah should we uh say that there's uh did we say there's not enough information right right so can we we can say that but then there's a whole bunch
of other stuff we want to say about the pavement and all that stuff too right there's always a big question mark yes i think the other question is you know the storm water plant and the tree
removal work on that well according to you this is new construction it's not applicable here only in your mind well that's that's what I heard you say earlier the violation of our own yeah definitely questions on the storm
water questions on the buffering um especially to the adjacent uh residential uses so you you're saying that the parking areas are pvious pavement yeah
and the the entrance lane so to speak is not Yeah the only part of it from what I read trying to find a good plan here that may not be the one what's that one called so hard for me to read this this is a
grading plan landscaping plan landscape lighting plan soil erosion maybe some slow erosion or degrading soil erosion it doesn't even I can tell you I mean vehicle circulation it doesn't even say storm work
right you don't know but what is the way you think you're supposed to go to know obviously there should be a systematic approach somebody comes in the council my glasses see how this is shaded this way this is
the poorest porest this is not Yeah why do they have all these inlets in the forest pavement because this is what they're doing they're going to grade everything to collect in a blue moon get the engineers report and ship it to the
poorest pavement but the question becomes I mean is that really I got not not unless there's stone or something under there like we would have to worry about i'm
not aware that pavement does more than it's on right i you know I'm you know I'm no expert at that that's right information it doesn't make sense to me that you're going to take everything off
the site and recharge it into the parking lot and also I feel like there's a drawing that they're putting a dumpster where they have to Yeah i can't really truck facilities right yeah oh look they got a circulation plan
here showing trucks coming in here like there's a truck plan there used to be um I'll come down cuz it's kind of hard to hear but All right we're getting all all shit's breaking loose here now we got no Yeah
just over committee [Music] dave to your point you're asking when when the engineers review letters are available a lot of times when they're available we get them okay now not in my experience
here on this board but in my experience as a developer being in front of many boards there's many times I've had applications that I get sent an engineer's review letter at 3:00 when there's a meeting at 7:00 you know what I'm saying so there's a good possibility the review letters aren't I mean I don't
I don't agree with that it always frustrates me when that happens as an applicant but um I don't I don't I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that we're not being provided the information because Yeah yeah no no no i'm just saying that the review letters may not be complete yet so
Wednesday oh yeah like we're like why are we reviewing something yeah yeah well that's the thing it's like we're supposed to be giving the plans prior to the meetings obviously cuz that doesn't make but you know sometimes the timing you know if we're looking at like what is it our next planning board meeting is
until what month is this march march march uh so we already had our planning board meeting in March so we're like a month away so if they schedule this they they give us the plans to look at them but maybe the review letter comes in a week and a half two weeks from now they put them on the schedule they have the meeting our next meeting isn't until after that so the timing doesn't work
out sometimes yeah so not not really any any schedule so you kind of we get what we get so is there a 10day time limit when all these things have to be available not not the review letters no like that's I was telling
Dave I mean I've gotten them for my own applications you know the day of i I don't agree with that like because that's not fair to the applicant but there's no there's no requirement requirement no on not on the reviews so I mean obviously the the sooner the better cuz that gives
everyone the opportunity to review that and the applicant to make any amendments or be prepared or whatever but and I'm not saying that happens all the time uh I'm just saying I've seen it happen and there's no statutory um requirement to for the submission of review letters that I'm aware of right well when you go
outside you you build outside of Franklin Township so when you when you go to other boards outside of Franklin Township everything is everything available to you then or it's it it v it it varies i mean there's
some I've seen some that are much more efficient and then some that are less efficient so it's not like you know Franklin Township set far apart from others i mean it varies quite a bit you know who is this patient just give you one um I've mentioned this to I I I got
to go back there was a town in North Jersey that I was following that that was doing a big warehouse project that was going on for like 18 months and they had a uh a program I think it was called Civil Viewer or something like that but basically like it was completely
transparent so anytime any document got loaded into that project it got loaded on onto that that server and the entire public could see it like you could go on right now and you could track all their applications and all their documents and review letters and all that stuff like
so I forget the name of the town i'll try to remember but um I mean I'm sure they're not the only town that that does it like that but there's Does it Did it cause that town any trouble did you know that or was um you know did it stall things did people come and and um No I
mean I was only filing the one application um but no I mean so it would pay to have things Yeah i mean I mean that's a difference of some people may think it's great some people think it's not you know what I mean like I think once this applications are filed I mean
it's public information i think it should all be uh readily available right because then when it's not people you know think you're trying to cover something up or hide some you know I mean when even when you're not you know so yes but no it should be totally open right and it's supposed to be 10 days
before totally open well yeah all that yeah the 10day thing is like for Yeah uh for notices and um plans and stuff like that so but there could be like even an applicant could you know if the applicant gets a review letter and they want to submit amended plan you know there's no 10day rule on that um it's
just the initial application and the initial notice has to be out so there could be amendments that happen up until the meeting so All right all right okay um are we ready to move on okay well that's the end of the applications but I
just want to get to old business Mal Lake Park um I was there a couple uh maybe like what one two weeks ago I forget but anyway uh there's a post that's down on our little nature trail that we have and um I had to contact uh
public works and see if they can fix that um we put in uh new posts at the Mala Lake Nature Trail and they're all nice and new but one of them was just looks like it was just taken right out and thrown into the woods somehow so um
but yeah so but it's still intact so we can hopefully just put it right back in um that's all I have on Mal Lake Park and Pine Hollow i have not been to since January I guess i don't know if anybody has I know we just talked about to Mark we talked about the covert and if it was
going to be um you know clear never gave us an update well he he did he just said it's too wet right now so they haven't done anything yet and they're busy with the other part right what they're focusing on parking they do Oh you mean with the swings and
things while the the township employees are working on that part he said they're focusing on those terrifying home okay he didn't specify what they were doing but that's what they were focusing okay most of the time i mean it is looking nice they're getting the fence up they have gates up i mean they're okay
starting to really look presentable wonderful you know you know especially dedicated for office okay oh I'm glad i haven't been there for a few a few months okay well that's good that's good
hopeful news great yeah the playground equipment looks really nice i mean I took a walk out there the other deck so hopefully it can stay nice you know what I mean people don't That's a problem give somebody something nice and there and Forest Grove does not have swings
still doesn't have swings i mean it has swings they just only have two instead of four more like people actually it was a mix of both electric part at least from what I had understood normal times a teenager chase off with bags and
stuff this is why the slide got broken oh god oh jeez that was a while ago hopefully there was that room below them unless they're kids well I think their their idea is they put that fence up they're putting gates
up and they're going to lock it um at night uh so No they they weren't up when I was there to stop people stop corners why they're double pulling oh oh yeah yeah no they're not like keep people from
walking in and out from Yeah to keep vehicles up there yeah my question was who's going to open them and close them and uh I was told Oh yeah i was told the police department was going to do it but I'm sure they're real thrilled about that but so we'll see just like the tree ordinance right
right that's where it would be but I mean you got all those rooms there i mean all you got to do is All you got to do is not you see them lock them up don't lock them up if the gates shut they need to be locked up well it would be like a challenge i mean you got residents in
there you want them to be happy or volunteer and hold the gates here i mean they do around i mean the cops must drive by there right this is great until early morning fisherman gets hit
oh well well that I don't know if that does the fence the fence does all together but I don't think they have gates on it i think they're g they're going to gate both ends i believe so yeah it better come really early or you know the public late
well we'll see we'll get we'll give them give him the benefit of the the doubt right now we'll see what happens here it's better than what we had at least progression positive you know yeah those
swings it's unfortunate they couldn't do i think that I mentioned something to one of the committeemen i don't remember who um that was like and again I don't quote these numbers like several hundred,000 and we were talking about yeah like who installed it in the in the
manufacturer and stuff and they said if you get into that the handicap stuff they said well even the equipment I guess like it doubles in price almost um they there's a law um which actually I think the uh the mayor from from Vinland was instrumental in in getting it passed
I forget it's it's named maybe after one of his children but I I forget the name of the law but uh that deals with the um the handicap accessible stuff like that and if you do something in compliance with that law it's extremely costly so like it would have cost we would have
got half the equipment and and it would have been double the cost or something like that you know so which is a shame right there jake that's it yeah Jake grant was available last fall and I told him you know in an email forwarding them
information to apply for park but yeah I do that every time I see them so there was a way to do it yes and these poor children Well again I Yeah I can't speculate on
that i just I just know that there was a way cast for three and it left through you know the money that was likely never from us but the will in their town hall
I don't know if anybody there has the expertise either when it comes to the grants and things of that sort a lot of times that's uh contracted to a third party company so or you know someone from the public which is what
talking did you know 90% of the work and then just the engineer did the rest right what else would that happen well we got new business which I have nothing for um unless anybody else has
new business they want to bring up um and mail we had none um and yeah so that's pretty much it unless anybody else wants to say You got it yeah we have 47 right across
from Dallas there's a retention basent that never drains it's full concept has been that way for probably while the fazio lane was cleared was about 3 ft down that brought it up about another 18 20 in and then after that was
built down all the way up almost to the bridge all the time doesn't matter we have rad who was in charge of that I've never been able to get an answer out of our township because they say it's on 47th the state it's a DOT I believe I contacted them they said no it's fall under township jurisdiction because it
was built at that point because of township buildings not because not that it's been there a lot longer than that you know any of the buildings there so I'm I'm just asking you know if anybody knew how that question I'm getting one tells me no and the other one tells me no in the
middle somewhere i I don't think you know this is again pure speculation but I thought that that basin was built as a result of the reconfiguration of the highway there that's until I remember there was a little one there before but it was not all it was only a dug out
area that it was after it was in and became official we have to pull the tax records and see who who what the ownership is of the correction yeah i really It's a mosquito
my concern is every time we get an inch of rain that field plugs and then it it backs up in everybody's yard on new roof and now like a terrorist is now getting flooded they got flooded they just happened they've never had but three of the homes are back filled up so it's we
have issues that need to be addressed that was one of the sol well I guess what the state is trying to say that you know the more construction and runoff you know the more improper surface that's upream the further we get
it um and I think that sometimes back up the other direction right well it's you look at where the 447 overpass comes together we outcast the other the dollar not the dollar general the family dollar when you come uphill it so anything on that side goes down towards the high
tension lines are all swamped now and everything on this side turns down our area and gets towards that area more down you know when rain was watching that right so our area is getting all the run off from there which used to just disperse well the town is supposed
to have their own um storm water system as well so and I don't think the town does like with when this is something that can I'm looking for I'm just looking for
some assistance there because I throw it up in committee and I was told I made up all the videos I sent you were told you that I must have dubbed these videos you know that's my area of expertise
it was just off my phone you watch that well I I did he said you get It's been a year and a half now well I did i'm not in my direction and if he doesn't do anything else
I was trying to do it in township but I was supposed to do I mean we I just looked up the GIS map and according to this it's shown like almost as the right of way of route 47 is shown like it doesn't have its own blocking lot um it
just shows the right away on 47 that it cuts out around the basin and it comes right back so I mean I don't know who you should ask but maybe you know potentially like I don't know who our assembly representatives are or our state senator or whatever but I think
I'm 99% sure that it's it's the state's responsibility but that's really modified that's who I call when I contact him he says the township but when I talked to Bill he said the problem with that area is the water well that's what I'm saying that might be the groundwater level
what'sever in there yeah like the last 10 years it only dropped like maybe this so you know the DOT can only do so much they're responsible for draing the growth sure
and that's running through there that is the town that you know and maybe even you know because there's regional and it is and they
are so and try to look at Um trying to see what properties sorry I didn't mean to no you're fine and if you give me something before you
go I I I um uh I I'll join the meeting but then before you go I'm going to exchange your information because uh there might be somebody who maybe would have a little bit more insight that I might be able to contact so I'm just trying to find answers oh yeah that was terrible i just want to know who's who's
supposed to you know answer yeah see what we have left of our three trees we still have each of us had a little bit of trees left almost every tree has died in here the roots are still all trees we lost 18 trees in the last four years i
thought all this were an actual environmentalist with soil samples and he said they'll be in this oh no you better replant them real quick or you're going to get a violation from the town [Applause]
i guess I'll make a motion real quick yeah make a motion to adjurnn yeah second not quite but All right we're journaling you know what we never do a fly solution we doing