Great. Okay. Welcome to the uh May 2025 Environmental Commission meeting. Um it's uh 7:08 and we'll get started. Uh first order of business is anybody want to make a motion to approve the minutes of April?
Okay. Second. Uh, all I'll all approve or all favor. I have to abstain. Uh, oh, great. Okay. All right. Um, okay. Emergency management. Oh,
sorry. First guests. Um, we have uh Dave Marshall, Roger Dur, and Barbara Halpern as guests. Uh, anybody want to say anything before we get started? Very good. Um, okay. Emergency management. I don't
have anything to report, so we'll get right into the zoning and uh planning board uh application. So, the first one is PB2503, which all right, let's see. It's on Delta Drive,
uh, block 309, sorry, 3 uh 3908, rather. Uh, it's slot 1 2 3 4 5 32 and 33. Um, this one's a little bit who's quite exactly the number one that they're talking about exactly, but anyway, I have I've written down that says they
want to subdivide seven lots into four separate lots. I I don't I'm not sure what that means exactly. Well, they have a bunch of lots now. So, they're going to combine them and kind of redivide them. That's what I guess. You know, there was one in the um
I think so. Yeah. So I don't have I have you know a lot of people are saying that um this is where they have the the small houses with what the summer homes of Franklinville Lake and that maybe that's what they're going to
put up smaller homes like the precedent has been set for those homes in my way all I mean there just I mean Pry has it's a neighborhood of older homes Yeah, but they're not they're not small though. They're not
they're not like Frank Lakes. I think they might be small by McMansion. Well, yeah, but they're 1500 ft. You know what I mean? Like they're not like cottages like at least a thousand all the homes in there. Well, so this looks like they're just
taking a bunch of non-conforming lots, combining them, and making them three conforming lots with one non-conforming lot. Yeah. Okay. So that so that one because I know that the one lot is they said it's uh what is it 7
17,000 some square feet but they need 30,000 correct? Okay. So they want to take the other ones and just condense them into Yeah. I mean based on this they have 1 2 3 4 5 six. They have seven lots that are combining and they want to redivide them into four. Um looks like
there's some kind of structure on the the one undersized lot. I don't know what that is. apartment to uh did they say um for to build uh did they say what they're going to do? No, they just have this is just a lot. It's
called a lot line adjustment as well. Did they say what their zoning is? Uh yeah, they're Malaga Village. So yeah, they're not proposing anything uh as far as development at this point.
I mean, what can we say, right? Yeah. I mean, I don't really know that we would have any comments. So, we'll just say no coming. I really don't have any questions other than, you know, I'm not sure if there's a wetlands issue within 150 ft of the
property, but I'd have to rehearse it. So, I wouldn't make a comment on it at this point. Okay, all right, I'll move on. Uh, the next one is uh zone board 258.
Um, it's here. Oh, this is that probably that zero main road because I don't have an address in here. Anyway, it's on main road, block 5702, lot 55. They want to construct a single family home on a vacant property with 10 ft of frontage.
That's been to the board twice. That before they gone back again, I think the board improperly denied their their application. So, but it's just a big There seem to be court papers or something in there, right? I I didn't see any court papers, but I don't know. I just remember them. They said that
they did something last year and I forgot what it was. There's this is the third time. Yeah. Right. They did something in two I think 2012 and then last year and now they're doing it again. Yeah. So yeah, that's that's
um a long drive. Yeah. Yeah. It's a large part parcel of land there. I for how many acres is it? Like 10 acres or something? Um it might be. I don't have that. Yeah, I forget.
Yeah, I don't think they have much of a comment there. Okay. I guess if it, you know, I guess if your neighbors agree. But what had happened was they went in, they wanted to use their 10ft uh frontage they had, the neighbors complained about it. So they also have an easement several lots down through
some other property, but they won't be able to use that. No, they can use it. So then they went back, they came back with a plan to use the easement, and then those neighbors complained that they didn't want to use the easement. So now they're going back to the original plan um to use the property at the end, you know, rather than go through the
ease when I go. Why is there something on Reed and Royal when this is for Taylor? Am I missing something? Uh you probably there must be mixed up. Yeah, we're going to do no comment. There's two applications. Yeah, no
comment. So I know um so the first one we did the the planning board 253 you added no comment on that and the next one the 258 no comment [Music] uh
30 Franklinville village did I say I meant Franklinville across from current evidence and all. Yeah, right by the general in that all that area there. I got the village park right at least. Right. Yeah. No, I got one. Thank you.
Can I move on? Uh-huh. Okay. Um All right. So, the next one's Zen 259 at 139 to I guess it means 141 because it said B-41. So, I'm not sure if that means like it spans three different things. I don't know. But anyways,
Taylor Road to Newfield block 31 uh 02 block 2.01. They want a um let's see here. They want 25 ft of frontage where the 150 is required. And they want 1.35 acres when
1.5 is required. That one looked like it had two non-conforming mobile homes on it. they they're I've been there for many years, you know, the plus and then the think that what's against it. It was funny actually um how they worded it and
they'll get rid of these two old trailers that are sitting on this land and they'll um it will even in the disadvantage column that they're going to improve it, right? So, do we want to say anything about that
one? I don't think so. You got it. I mean, we could make like some random comments. I feel like we're not making any comments. We could make something to the effect of, you know, proper abandonment of existing wells and septics. Something along those lines if
you want. Or comments, whatever. I don't know. Feel obligated to make some comments at some point. Well, I think that we're also going to have comments on ones coming up pretty soon, too. Okay. perhaps. Anyway, right.
Um, all right. The next one would be zoning board 25-10 at 931 Reed Avenue, block uh 3002 and lot 5. Uh this one they want to make their property fully compliant with housing ordinances and obtain approval
for use uh as built including a single family residence with two one-bedroom mother-in-law apartments and they don't want to build anything else if I understand that correctly because it was kind of written a little bit strangely
but so it sounds like there's two uh not Yeah. Anyway, there's two of the uh two apartments on that same property. Um, so it sounds like it's already done. Yeah. And they built it in what 1999 was it or something like that? Yep. So I
guess they've just been not having it's been like off the record. I don't know how that which is very strange. It appears I mean again this is just uh speculation but it appears as though maybe the propertyy's been sold and possibly it was uncovered during the
course of the inspection. So they had this additional unit. So therefore the new buyers that's just asking for you know certification uh for the nonconformity. Um so they're not changing anything out there to the I was just wondering about the septic
they said it's okay but um yeah pointed out sound like it's been what in the '9s or something. Yeah I think I saw 1999 or maybe the 2000s or something. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're going to continue to restrict it to family only. So, did you
get it that the mother-in-law suite has each one has one bedroom in it or is it I couldn't figure it out if it's one bedroom or two bedroom? I'd have to go back and read it again. I don't recall off the memory exactly. Do we want to say anything about this
one? Well, um it that's it's different the way Jason was putting it. Yeah. Because I didn't think he finally told people that they would have um that they wouldn't have said anything for all these years. Yeah. I didn't know what it
does to taxes, but I don't know. You know, maybe they got away with murder with their taxes. I had no idea. Yeah. But um if this new guy, he wants to be clean. That's good. Yeah. [Music] Yes. I don't think we have any comment
on that. So, it's one one uh septic for um so that would be mother-in-law suite. That means that there's a bathroom and a kitchen. Is that is that going to be I mean it doesn't I don't think it really has that kind of detail in there. I mean
I don't of water. I don't know what the definition of a infe. I think usually you have to have free flow uh between uh the primary unit and the mother at least that's the definition I've seen in land
use ordinances um because they don't want people saying they're doing a mother-in-law suite in effect having a multif family house you know you need to be able to like uh I think there has to be some sort of physical connection um between the the
mother-in-law suite and the primary residence Okay. All right. Uh, next one would be zoning board 2511. It's a 1796 main road, block uh 7101, lot 67. It's in a Pineland's
agricultural um production district. So, they want to construct a 1,000 foot building to have a doll count facility. So, this one I was thinking just by looking at it, I'm just like uh my mom and I were talking uh about what about
like noise potentially from the place with neighbors and maybe what you know how about like the waste? Well, the waste is why they're building the septic system. Okay. That's required for dog kennels. They didn't say the number of dogs in
this one. The other one said 24 or 25 dogs, I think. Right. But this one didn't have the number of dogs they had in it. Well, their septic application would have to have the number of runs. Um, well, they don't have that,
but since it's going to zoning board, the neighbors will be notified, right? Oh, good. Okay. That's what I want. So, I think it's up to them to fight out whether this is an issue or not an issue. Okay. And uh
doesn't look like a big kennel. I mean, how big is that even? It doesn't look like even as big as the disposal field there. Unless they're using the garage somehow, but it doesn't seem like it. What do you thinking?
Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah. Lighting. Yeah, that's a question is whether they'd even have lighting other than if they have to go in there at night turning on a light like you would if you went in your garage. Yeah,
they do seem to have fencing that existing. You think? Wasn't that wooden fencing there? I know. What does it say? I couldn't figure it out. It says fence on the one side. Um, I think if I know this property, it's
pretty nice property. Um, a larger property. You said pretty nice. Yeah, it's it's a nice home like uh sits back in the road like a big brick house. I think you're right cuz I saw it on on street view. Yeah, it's not far from my house. I live around the
corner. Um, yeah. I thought they already have some kind of agricultural use there like horses or something like that, but which maybe is why the fence was there. I kind of thought I saw horse trailers in in the dog one. Yeah, I thought they did. There were horse people.
Yeah, this is just the uh they're kind of using the And do they have neighbors post? Um I mean the lot's 435 ft wide, so they have neighbors, but they're not like on top of each other. It's pretty deep, too.
The south deep. And you said that the neighbors would be told about this. Yeah. Yeah. They would have to get a notice if there were any of the property. They already had the wetlands on here. Yeah. Yeah. Because of the septic
probably. That's your guy. You like him, don't you? Sandy. Yeah. Yeah. Sy's all right. Only person I ever met that you liked. He's not the only person. I mean, he's an interesting guy. Yeah. So want to comment that one too. Sure. I
don't think anyir commission support. But here's another dog one coming up. I don't know. Maybe. So, the next one ZB25,
and it's at uh 781 Washington Avenue, uh block uh 1903 and lot 19, I believe. The I think I saw it was in Williamstown. Well, I mean, that's the address, but that's the mailing. Yeah, and the name
is Jacqueline Levy. Okay, so this one's another dog one. Um I know a lot about this property. Okay, so they wanted to let's see uh they needed sorry they needed variance for mixed use of property for dog kennel boarding and
training and a single family home. Um so uh they're asking for for what it's 400 ft allowed and they're asking for 2400 square foot. I think everything's
existing out there. Yeah, pairs of such and they've been in the dog business a long time because a few years ago I met them and uh they had a dog that they were looking to rehome and I actually took the dog for a few days but the dog
was biting Robin. It was too. And they didn't tell me that they gave it to someone before who had the same problem where it would bond to the woman, but it would, you know, bite men.
So, I returned the camera. Yeah. You see all these improvements that look appear to be on the property next door, which are not really relevant to just interesting. They have a shed. half of the driveway. It's weird. The
whole house is like I don't know. It looks like the the lots are skewed. They put the house square with Washington Avenue, but the lots are all skewed. They probably got cited and have to now apply. Yeah. But this is something they've been doing probably for, you
know, a decade or more. That's another neighbor uh notification. Yes. So, this one's This one would be another thing that people will know about in advance zoning. Yeah. Um
and and you said everything's kind of there already with this property. I believe it is. Okay. Um and I think the the one neighbor house was actually for sale. I looked at the outside, but the problem was the tenant
wasn't leaving. Oh, or the prior owner. So getting somebody out of a house and not being an actual see inside the house is interesting. So I'm not sure they would show up. So this is the one for 24 dogs.
And I think that the building No, this is 2400 square ft. Yeah. I can't imagine they have 24 dogs cuz their house is really really small. Two bedrooms. Yeah. Their house is under 1,000 square ft. Mhm. And when you walk
in, there's a lot of dogs, you know, in crates. Oh, it says they're also redoing the septic system. That's a good thing that they dispose of the
Yeah. Are we thinking no comment again? Yeah. I don't know what we would I don't think noise, right? Yeah, but it's been existing and yeah, I I don't know
what to say. I mean, my dogs, the neighbors are going to be informed and they can say we can't stand the police soon and it stinks or whatever. Right. Exactly. These dogs seem to be in the house, so they're not outside running around.
It's a commercial facility, right? These dogs don't come in the house every day, right? So, no, they live in the house is what I'm saying. When I was there building, but if I b your dog, I'm not putting your dog in my house. I don't know if they're doing boarding. They're breeders. Yeah. So,
I don't know. All buildings are existence for mixed use of property for bar. Oh, they are going to be boarding, training as well, singing a family as well. It's it's a twobedroom house. Okay. Waiver from the building will be 2400 ft, not 400.
[Music] Different situation. The building is 24. Now you have a building which wasn't mentioned by I mean I'm wondering if they're building this building. No, I think the building's existing. It's on the existing service. A waiver to allow
accessory building of 2400 ft or 400 ft maximum is allowed. used parents who allowed dog panel as well as mixed family building to be used for dog cattle. Okay.
[Music] They had an outside area too, I think, isn't that? Or you put the other one? That was the other one. I think these people let their dogs out the back, but they're they have a training area in the front. They're
going to screen them and train them. And yeah, here's what they have. They have an a drawing with a training area, a puppy room, 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 kennels, I guess. Eight, nine, 12 kennels. Accomplishment in an office. Um, yeah, this may be it says the building's existing, but I guess they weren't using it before or
they got caught using it. I don't know. I didn't know they had any use of another building. Like I said, it seemed like all the dogs were in the house, which was really insane, but Well, any we had no comment on the last one. No, don't really think we can justify
comment here. Okay. They're proposing a subdicing. I don't think there's any they're not proposing anything. Yeah. If they were building, I'd say they have, you know, the wetland issue, but this thing's already in the wetland, right? So, the
question becomes, what do you do when they're on these? Like you said, it sounds like maybe they got cited for operating without the proper proper approvals. I'd look at town sorted out because it's got issues and I'm not sure of how you address something that's already in the
wetland. Well, let's hope that they take care of the waste if it's in wetlands. Well, they are connecting it to the septic. Uh hopefully they that the person reviewing this is aware
because how big a septic is 24 by it's only 816 square ft. That doesn't sound big enough does it? I mean I have no idea how they would size something for that. For a house it's usually 1,000 square ft for a 3bedroom
house. No it's 810. Yeah, that would be appropriate for a twobedroom. Probably it's a two-bedroom house, right? But it's I don't know that they're factoring the kennel into the septter size even though they're connecting it. Well, they don't even show a connection to the
house, do they? Yeah, they show it being off. Oh, okay. I got the house. So, I think the question becomes um Yeah. Well, that's larger than a twobedroom. What? That bad is it? Yeah.
What? How many square feet? There's only like 8. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. A three threebedroom is 810 ft. Is it? I thought it was a,000. Yeah. 1,50 is for a four bedroom. Okay. You would know better than me at this point. I don't remember. Yeah. Two bedroom. I think
it's like 6. That's a lot of, you know, a lot of stuff going on in this building. But, so hopefully CME is aware. I mean, they would be getting this plan and this plan. So, they should be checking one against the other since they're the same entity. Well, they
won't be getting that. Well, how would they be getting that plane? Okay. CMA is our engineer for the board, right? No, they're not. Oh, which which Oh, yeah. That's right. It's a different engineer. Yeah. But CMA would be reviewing the stuff. CIC, right? Yeah. They would see the connection to the house. So, I mean,
that would be up to them to determine the use of that facility and the size. Yeah. Well, hopefully the septic plant I mean you're saying that dog kennels they calculate the kennels. Oh yes. Yeah. Kenn kennel waste is has to go into a system. So that would add
to the size, right? And it would because fluy clean. Oh, it's got a Well, then that's probably why the bed system won't What's the cleaning? It's a advanced treatment. Yeah. I mean, you can like reduce the bed by 40% or something. Well, that makes sense. Yeah.
I never heard of before. It must be something to my treatment area. It's just a different uh atu. As high as the level of treatment and is in close to conforming to the requirements verify location.
It doesn't sound like it's in total compliance. Closer. Yeah. Well, good luck with TMA on that. Yeah. Not our job. Yeah. Okay. All right, I guess we can move on. Very well. So, uh, our old business, Mount Lake Park, I have not been, um, this
month, so I really don't have anything to report on that as anybody else does. Um, I'll take the tribute, right? Oh, yeah. Really nice. Sentinel.
Okay. But everyone said it was great. Maybe they fixed the park up for that purpose. Had it done in time. Maybe. And um everyone was out before.
Uhhuh. And then Piney Hollow. Um I was just there a couple days ago and um they just have to flood it out. Uh holes still. that are still there. Yeah. The last time we were there, um, you know, like
back in December or January, uh, you know, it's been so dry. So, there was I I had no problem getting back there at all. Um, but there was very little tall grass or anything like that. Nothing really was in the way. Uh, like any brush or anything like that, but I didn't go in too far. But, um, yeah, I
didn't I I was still able to bypass the the puddles at this point, but I don't know if it's going to with all this rain. puddle. You have to walk on a thin squishy dirt to get by it. There's no walk around. Did you make it to the over
pit um cement? Yes, we did. Yeah. And I didn't see them that they had done anything, but I also didn't really I kind of forgot to take a look very much of that, but I didn't see anything different. So, if you walk past that, did you go over to the other side of that bridge type structure? Just a
little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And if that that was not flooded on that side of it. No. Okay. Because that's what happened last time it was clogged is that it flooded when you got off that bridge, you know, further into the park right there. That's where the trail was flooded,
which it never flooded, but because of the cold working it did. No, I didn't see any flooding there. Cool. So, that part of the trail was in very good shape, I would say. anything. I have a tale that I'd like to tell about our trip into Piney Hollow,
but I don't want to say it on camera. Okay, I'll tell you. So, I'll wait till after we shut down. All right. I'd like to tell everybody. Cool. And as far as new business goes, I have none at this point, unless anybody else wants anything. They I just um real
quickly wanted to talk about last month's meeting, specifically the Copart application. What was the board's feedback on that? Uh I can actually just look at my I have the comments in my
email. I was just curious or if there was any discussion on it. What the place is that? The coart the old junkyard. Yeah, I had to find it.
But um cuz that had some wetlands in it, not Yeah, but they are applying them to flying for that. Um you don't have to look up. I just I know if anybody Yeah. Yeah. I I really forgot what we said. Actually, you know what? It's probably also my I wrote it down here.
I figured that was a fairly large application for for us. But anyway, um in the meantime while I'm looking that up, we don't have any mail or anything as far as I know. So awesome. Okay, so actually I guess we could really adjourn if we want to.
Yeah, go ahead. Unrelated to any of these applications. Yeah. Are the properties being built like under development? I know after it's all done, there has to be either retention or pension funds or whatever maybe it takes to catch any portable. What happens during the construction phase? And the reason I'm asking this is not the first
time I've seen it. The public storage has been warming for the last 15 years down on Dustin Drive in Malaga. The road has all the gravel washing down on the way here from the rain into the green downhill. It's coming down the driveway and out of the property run down. You can see all the all the orange
clay gravel come right down the road. Wow. I've never noticed it before even a lot of rain. So, and now they've got more there now. They've done in the last year than they've done, you know, 5 years prior. I want I'm just curious on how that works. You know, do you have to build those during construction or is it after before the final phase? There's
there's an outside agency um each county it's it's through the department of agriculture which is strange but um it's called soil conservation. Um like some some counties share like I think Atlantic Cape uh they have the Atlantic Cape soil conservation district.
Gloucester County I think is only Gloucester County. But in any event, there there's an approval that's uh required for any development from the soil conservation district. And a part of that approval is they're supposed to have controls in place for soil erosion
and sediment control during during construction. Would make sense like you go you go by sites, you see the silt fence, the black silt fence, that's a that's a soil erosion control. Um you know, when they stockpile top soil, they're supposed to seed it to stabilize it. They have different inlet protection
for for to protect inlet stormwater inlets to prevent the exact thing that you're talking about and there's a plan and there's an approval but that's the agency that enforces that. Um I said this the first time I've ever noticed it visible orange right and it's hit that drain right
before Marshall Mill that yeah maybe it's always done but I've never seen it before. No I saw the rain you were talking about I remember seeing all the orange Yeahwards like pizza baz or whatever. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Someone needs to call soil conservation.
I knew it had to be in the house. Yeah, they're supposed to have a bridge unit right pastel heading south. It's on the left hand side right near the
Oh, okay. The one that's been right where um where Mala Park Drive comes out. The Delta right Yeah. Right there I know. I was wondering if you have the name. I'll find it. Yeah, I can't recall that. And it stopped for a while there was nothing and all of a sudden the last couple years it started again and that
I'm wondering that's why we're seeing this. Anything else there? Roger. Uh no, I had not. No. Do I have to or because he gave us a letter? Yeah, I mean we can make a motion and accept his resignation. Okay, sounds good. I'll make a motion to
accept the resignation of Mr. Petravich. Second, we have no choice, let me tell you. So, speaking of that, I mean, we have multiple open seats. Um, yeah, I think the problem is finding it's not getting
them people appointed, it's finding people that are actually going to attend. Yeah. Do we have any viable candidates um that we can take back to the township committee or No, [Music] I'm just thinking of some of the names that you see people on social media.
Yeah. And some of them are actual business owners in the town that care about people involved in your work. I I already tried. I'm just thinking they'll post, you know, environmentally friendly things about how they care about this
and I'm just thinking of people that may have some knowledge of me doing that. I was thinking about reaching out on online to see if I join like I think I might be part of that one of the Franklin Township groups or something like that. I'll post it. I'll share I
think I'm okay or something. I'll share it. Okay. Great. Because this is this is very difficult. Yeah. Um cuz how many seats do we have? We have
So we have Bill's missing now. Bill's missing. And um Suzan Suzan's missing and we had an open one, right? One anyway. Seven. Yeah, sounds about right. Seven or nine, but yeah, probably seven. Oh no, cuz it's Frank Cahoot still on the
border. No. Yeah, I think so. So it's Giovani as an alternate. So maybe there's seven members. Two alternates maybe kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Frank, right? Yeah. Yeah. Is he still here or not here tonight? But I mean, he's still on the board. I think he's still on the board. I still
sent him in the email. I don't know. But um yeah, I think it's going to be three people who we need and uh it' be great if we had that way, you know, one of we have to like worry about changing the
date. Y So yeah. So, so what are we going to do then for for the month of June? What are we saying? Well, I guess let's find out um as the the days get closer. When when do you think you might
know, Jason, when you might be available? I mean, I can know right now whether I'm available. Just what when is our schedule be? The 23rd? It's on the 23rd. And and Jeff, you say you might It's kind question, right? Okay.
I see because I think at this point we can just kind of I mean it's early so we have some time but I want to get that date changed sooner just so that we can tell people sooner and all that stuff. See
I'm just trying to pull my I do. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Make a motion to adjurnn. Yeah. Sorry. Let's the meeting. Yeah. I a to adjourn the meeting. Second. All right. Uh, all approved of adjourning the meeting. I All right.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think I should be should be good on the