Good evening everyone. This is the township of Franklin planning board meeting on November the 18th. If everyone would please rise for the flag salute. Pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Pursuant to the Open Public Meetings Act, notice has been posted on the township website, posted in the Sentinel and South Jersey Times, and posted in the municipal office.
>> Thanks, Chris. Uh, roll call, please. >> Mr. Brandt, >> uh, here. >> Mr. Clark, >> here. >> Mr. Doyle. >> Mr. Kelly, >> here. >> Mr. Mady >> here, >> Mr. Suede >> here.
>> Mr. Ranson, Mr. Cahoot, Mayor Bruno >> here, >> Mr. Travalone >> here, >> chairman Tesh >> here. Okay. Uh, we're sorry. There's no resolutions this evening. Um,
>> yeah, the mic's not on. We're just going to have to speak up. >> Would the uh Go ahead, Jackie. >> I Before we start, we'll swear in the sport. >> Stand up. Raise your right hand. Repeat after me. >> Jackie, do you want both say one at a time?
>> Um, we could say one at a time. Um, >> state your name. >> Kate. >> I, Kate Wade. And >> Richard, >> do solemnly swear >> Do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States. >> I will support the Constitution of the United States
>> the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. >> State of New Jersey. >> That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same >> to the same >> and to the government established in the United States. >> the government established in the United States
>> and in this state >> county and township >> county and township >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of people >> and that I will faithfully impartially and justly perform all the duties of the office of board engineer
>> board >> according to the best of my ability. coming to the best. >> So, help me back. >> Okay. And Christie will have you sign up later on. Thank you. You're sworn. >> All right. Thank you, Jackie. Ed, would you uh mind introducing the colleagues
from your firm and that are uh present tonight? >> Yes. So, this is Kate Wade. She's an engineer, professional engineer out of our Austin, Canon. She works with me, our municipal group. And Richard, I'm not going to butcher your last name. Uh Richard is one of the uh planners at our
firm and working with Chris um and has helped with the master plan as well. >> All right, very good. Thank you. Uh with no resolutions the on the uh SP2501, would you uh would you mind if we took
the uh the next one first? It's an extension for uh an application that was approved in a request for an extension in time that should take a couple minutes uh to hear uh rather than rather than the full-blown application. Are you okay
with that? >> Uh absolutely, Mr. Chairman, and the telephone interruption, I apologize, was my client saying he's 10 minutes away. >> Okay, perfect. I >> I only need a couple minutes and I bought uh so your client won't be that late. Then let's call PB2411-1.
Uh and Dial the microphone. >> It is recording. >> Raise your right hand. You're going to take a note. Do you swear that the testimony you're going to give before this board is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I hope you die. State your full name.
Okay. All right. Uh what's what what's going on? >> Um well, you have needs of subdivision, of conveyance, and we already knew this house and we thought we could do it all together. Um turns out the case
getting all sorts of sort of things. Um, and so I submitted the according to the
resolution says number two within 190 days. I thought I was going to um I said something within 190 days without going back. I thought I was okay when I was in the
process, but during the process and nowhere in the resolution does it say that. So if I have a lawyer on my research, I would >> Okay. >> So >> what what kind of timeline are you
extension are you looking for at days wide timeline? What time? >> We were ready like we were ready to close as soon as we got there. needed like literally one. >> Chairman, I I understand that >> now we need a little longer because they have to see it go through.
>> We got to change the resolution now. >> No, there has to be a new resolution approving the extension, but then the deeds have to incorporate reference to that new resolution. So, the deeds uh has to be redone. The deeds will all have to be redone, sent back for approval. >> So, everything has to get rid of
>> not not everything. Your legal description is fine. that's already been approved by the >> not position >> the south. >> Okay. So that that was handwritten and and it was approved by the board um engineer or planner. Um but the the
language the conveyance language needs to be the attorney can draft it then we'll know what to do. We'll have to incorporate a resolution if one is about. >> Okay. >> Go for it. >> So she'll need time to get that done. >> Is it 120 days sufficient time assuming? Yeah, because it's 100. It'll be 120
from the time we approve the resolution, which will be next month. Correct. >> Yeah, we have a we have a draft prepared if you wanted to approve it. >> Can we expedite it that way? Yeah, >> Mr. Chairman, >> you can give her You can give her time. >> Yeah, 120 days. I'd make a motion to ac
uh grant extension for 120 days. >> Second motion. Second. Roll call vote, please. >> Hold on. Jason was the motion, >> correct? >> Yeah. Yeah. 120 days. And who mayor? >> Mr. Brandt. >> Yes. >> Mr. Clark. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Kelly. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mady. >> Yes. >> Mr. SU. >> Yes. >> Mr. Traval Young. >> Yes. >> Mayor Bruno. >> Yes. >> Chairman Pesh. >> Yes. >> Okay. Good luck. >> What do I do now? Well, we'll we'll then adopt the resolution at the the
memorializing resolution at the next uh meeting >> and that'll be 120 days from that point. >> So, we can't >> your clock doesn't start until mid December. >> So, effectively you have 150 days from tonight.
>> Are we uh >> she she's selling the property. Are we able to You said you had a draft resolution. Can we >> We have a resolution. Are we able to approve it tonight? >> 60 days, but you might just >> Can you cross it off? >> Make it 120.
>> Yeah. >> No, that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to get it done tonight for you. That way it doesn't hold you up. So, >> have a resolution draft. >> Yeah. Mr. We'll sign it at the end of the evening. >> It'll be after after the end of the
meeting. >> Okay. tomorrow. >> Tomorrow morning, six o'clock be at Chrissy's office. I will not be there until Thursday afternoon. So, um >> right. >> Yeah. So whenever she's able to get it
to me then start the process after correct it send them to us for review and then once we say yes then you can file it with the county >> all these get filed with the county to
record and >> the county is very particular if there's anything wrong I didn't lineage adjustment on one on a property and I missed the target date and had to come back and do the same thing you're doing right now. So, it happened.
>> Thank you. Okay. Uh, your client's not here. Why don't we try the uh microphones before we continue? You want to wait for you want to start or you want to wait for your client? >> Is it recording? >> It is recording. >> It is recording. I just don't have
>> sound. All right. But it is recording. >> The client's not here. Let's wait a couple minutes. Put the mics back on. And >> you want to review ordinances? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I'll be glad to start without them. But uh it's up to you.
>> Please go ahead. >> Okay. Got it. >> Yeah. No, I got right here. If I may with the ordinances, um 13 through 16 are exactly what came out of the master plan re-examination and the
council has returned them to this board for you know a report back in terms of whether this is consistent with the master plan and the planner has looked at them and they're exactly what the recommendations were. 17 and 18 I think came out of a discussion that council committee had on making minor changes to
FV and NV and when those were drafted um a copy and paste error was made where they copy and pasted the RA new RA requirements. So, you'll see at the back of your packet, you have um what what
should be going back to council committee and an amended ordinance 17 and 18, which takes out the changes that were in there. The copy and paste actually made the restrictions greater rather than lesser. >> Lesser. >> So, um it's reverting it back to the
original restrict yard restriction >> as opposed to what committee had put in this. So it was a copy and paste from the RA copy and paste from the RA from the amendment to the RA the organ >> but it involves Franklin Village and
Malaga Village. >> Yes. So if you look at the the page which talks about the single family detached housing, you can see that um we we're eliminate we're recommending council committee fix the copy and paste error by eliminating sub I through sub5
and just referring to what's existing in the code which is the yard requirement as set forth in 253131A and 253134 134. So, speaking as a member of the master plan review committee, the and I'm going
to speak to Richard the planner on this even though Chris handled it. The intent for these three ordinances RA, FV, and MV was that if a person owned a lot that
was a lot at one time and today it's not a lot because of standards being increased. Currently, prior to these ordinances being passed, uh the land owner would have to go in front of the zoning officer and then the zoning board and
request a variance for the undersized lot. It was our intent to eliminate those those delays and expenditures of our taxpayers. In reading the language that was drafted
by whomever for these ordinances, it talks about the size of the lot if substandard. It's a lot. But nowhere in the documents does it mention the frontage. If the
frontage is substandard now, back in the day, we had 135 ft frontages in the RA zone and today it's 150. And I don't think these ordinances address frontage. And does that mean today if a person
comes in with a lot that has uh let's just say 2 acres but only 135 ft of frontage will still have to go in front of the zoning board for a variance. And in my opinion they will have to
because we didn't adjust the language. Whereas the intent of the master plan review committee was if it's a lot, it's a lot. >> Yeah, I concur with your opinion, Ralph. Um, and I think the only minor
modification would be to add where it says no minimum lot area required, no minimum lot area or frontage required would satisfy that. Um um >> so I would like a ruling tonight by this board. I don't want to delay the
December 9th ordinance passage by the township committee. And would this delay it? >> Well, they're going to have to a if we send it back and they accept this board's report and recommendation that it should be amended in accordance with what's in front of you as well as what you're adding, then um they could they
they still have to have I think it might be 10 days before they can vote on it. they reintroduce it on the 9th, they could vote on it at special meeting and that's my understanding of the intentions. The intention is to convene a special meeting so >> more be done before the end of the year.
>> Okay. >> Okay. I I bring this up because for the past two township committee meetings for October and November, a resident in the Malaga village came forward and she lives on a substandard lot and she was
told, "Well, wait till December 9th and then you could start building because we're going to pass this ordinance." And and here we are slowing down the process once again. >> Well, and not intentionally slowing it down, but getting it right. I don't agree with that. This is fixing
something. >> Okay? >> Because if this went through like this, there's all kind of more uh problems. >> All right? So, I I want to get a consensus. I don't want to speak for the board. I want the board to weigh in. Do we want to fix frontage as well as size or just size as this is written?
>> Well, if we're if we're going to put furniture in there, whatever we put offset that so that way if there's a if there's something else that just doesn't fit but didn't fit 20 years ago, then it should be offset then. That way we're not changing anything else for later.
>> Well, well, when we did the master plan uh review, um we established and specific to the RA district, uh you know, with the fact in mind that the current requirements are one one and a half acres, 150 foot frontage, and um uh
20T sides, I think 75 ft front. We uh the recommendation by the committee was to establish the setbacks uh that are listed in the um the ordinance before us this evening which I'm trying to find them which I think is 45 ft um front
yard uh 15 ft uh each side with a with a combination of a 35 total a rear of 40 and maximum lot coverage of 20%. Um the idea being that there's a lot of areas within the township uh that were developed, you know, in the 50s and 60s
that have 100 by 150 foot lots. So, um there was a consensus that those setbacks would still allow you to um develop that uh 100 by 150 ft lot and a lot of the Newfield Terrace area, the Oak Avenue area um with, you know, a
modestly sized um home. So uh >> but at the same time maintaining the >> well maintain exactly the MF and the >> correct. Yeah. Yeah. The MF and the NV were not uh contemplated at the time uh of the master plan um reorganization or
um review. So >> right. So in these two ordinances they would revert back to 10 footmen. >> Yeah. Yeah, we clearly don't want we don't want to put more No, we don't want to put more restrictive uh uh requirements and that's what happened here by the the cut and paste. So, but
back to anything that's currently zoned RA, I mean the the setbacks established I think in the no minimum lot area um is exactly what the intent of the uh the committee were, but I think to Ralph's point, we just want to make sure that you know the lay person would assume
that hey, if you have no minimum lot area, there would be no minimum frontage requirement either. Um, but we don't want someone to go in with a a quarter acre lot um that that meets all these requirements and then have the zoning officer say, "Oh, well, you don't have your 150 ft of uh of road frontage
required." So, >> so Jackie, from a legal standpoint, adding the verbiage uh minimum lot size or frontage um are we meeting the intent there? Uh, are we causing any unknown
problem? Will we be causing any any unknown problems? >> Well, we we could I don't know. The planner looked at this and recognized immediately that the um copy and paste was not >> was incorrect and reverting back to what
we have in the FB and the MV is fine. Um, if you change that and say eliminate minimum lotage, I don't know the impact of that. No, it would be an and not not uh it wouldn't be inserting frontage. It
would be uh minimum lot area and frontage. >> No minimum lot area and frontage. >> Yeah. From a planning perspective, I think Chris and I looked at this and I think um our position was to table the uh FB and MV ordinances so we can you
know review them a little bit more cuz these are undersized lots and looking at setback. or 45 fp. Um, you know, at least we could table those two and then look at them more before we push it out back to council. But, uh, ordinance 12
to 16 uh, were consistent to the master plan, but the, uh, 17 and 18 uh, requests we need to review a little more. >> Yeah, th those are the two that I think that the committee's anxious to
expedite. So, I don't know that that would necessarily um be practical for for this evening's meeting. Um the the FV and the um the MV seem to be fine as written. I I guess Jackie, that's the language that you changed. Um
>> right. >> Oh, that's >> Well, the RA is uh in there as well. >> Uh 013. >> There's basically three sister ordinances. What's >> I thought we were changing 13. Yeah, we're at 1718. >> Uh you didn't see Chrissy's last uh
email addendum to the agenda. >> Initially there was only two ordinances included in our packet and then there became five. >> Seven. >> Seven. Okay.
>> Yep. But I I understood initially we're not it's the package >> about the last two. >> Yeah. There's no changes in 13. 13 to 16 is what Jackie said initially, >> right? 12. >> There's no change. It's included. >> What? >> 12 through 16 remains what it is. It's
only 17 and 18. Yes. >> RA is not an issue. >> Okay. >> Well, RA has the same language as this did. So, with the frontage situation, >> this new ordinance doesn't address frontage. That's less than 150 ft.
>> It's just the uh the 16 O25. >> Yeah. Section section one article uh 8A
1A. >> Correct. Right. That's interesting. >> Yeah. just says yard of burn. No minimum lot area. >> It wasn't an issue though. >> It's not an issue. That's not 17 and 18.
the intent is the red line is the cross to make blocks that used to be conforming with the front >> 12 back from the recommendation right >> as written from the master plan >> not not 17 and 18
>> 12 >> 12 to 16 >> yes exactly planner said that they >> it was just the way 12 to 16 was just the way we sent it to them it's coming back only as part of the package and there's no change >> because when they introduce they have to
send it back to the planning board for a report that it is consistent and it's consistent or not right other part 17 and 18 you're you're asked to do the same thing is what's being proposed in 17 and 18 consistent >> 17 and 18 came up recently with that uh
woman that came to the meeting and couldn't put an additional >> right >> that's where that came to >> okay >> so the question that you guys are addressing now is do you want to send it Just just saying that except as necessary to accommodate yard requirements as set forth in the
ordinance, no minimum lot area or frontage is required. >> Yes. But we also want to include that in 0125 because that was the intent and that was the discussion at the master plan um re-examination committee which that's where this all started from.
>> I don't have mine starts at 13. Yeah. >> So, the same the same thing as well. >> Yeah. I guess I You want my copy as well? >> I do. Thank you. Okay. >> For those of you that were at the master plan review committee, I brought in
front of the committee an application that happened in front of the zoning board approximately 2 years ago on Stanton Avenue by a resident named Andy Tonia. He lives on a substandard lot based on 2023. But when he bought his property in 1978,
he had 135 feet in one acre. And in 2023, we said it had to be an acre and a half and 150 ft. And he was forced to attend the zoning board meeting to uh ask for variances. And he spent in excess of $5,000 between an attorney and
uh escros and application fee. and I brought it forth to the planning board master plan review committee and we all felt we don't need to do this because in 1978 it was a lot. Now going back to Malaga Village and Frankenville village the 1950s those lots are much smaller
but anytime one of those residents today comes in front of the zoning officer for a small addition he has to obtain they have to obtain a zoning variance because they live on a substandard lot. The intent for all three of these ordinances
uh 12, 17 and 18 is to eliminate that step and make it easier for our residents. >> Residents that was the intent and if we do not include the word frontage, we are
not completing our task. >> I've always recommended that it >> eliminate the minimum frontage. on. >> What happens? Somebody come to 10 feet. You're talking about RA. It's RA. You're >> talking about RA now. Right.
>> Right. >> His lot could be huge. Well, he don't have any frontage. >> He has to have frontage. >> 10 foot. >> Okay. >> This is what we went through. >> Yeah. About two months ago. >> Exactly. So, you got to watch what you're saying. >> All right. You open the can of worms
here. 17 and 18. I can >> decide, right? >> Yeah. Everything is different. If you do this, everything's the same. >> You're doing the whole town. You're not doing the two villages. >> It gets a bad precedent. >> I understand.
>> Well, what if we set a minimum frontage for pre-existing lots? >> I think I think everything is >> I think everything's different. 12 >> 12 is what the uh the committee recommended. No, 12.
>> No, I'm sorry. >> 12 is what the master plan committee recommended. Out of that, the township committee looked at it and they they added 17 and 18. >> 17 18 >> because of the problems that >> in the two villages. >> Are they just trying to fix 17 and 18
with the verbiage? >> But but the verbiage in in 12 is not correct either with the intent of what um was presented by the master plan committee. If you if you have a the intent was if you have an existing pre-existing let's I'm going use this as
an example 100 by 150 foot lot in Newfield Terrace that you'll be able to come in as long as you met these setbacks and obtain a permit to build without going in front of the um the zoning board for um for a variance and that that's you know what we're trying
to accomplish here. So >> Newfield what? Newfield tariffs or une is that RA or is that >> no big >> I think it's a dangerous thing to just eliminate any frontage requirements because then you're basically going down
to that example where >> right the lock would be large in the back but there's only frontage so maybe a minimum >> yeah minimum frontage of like 100 ft >> and and would it open the door for flag locks because I have the minimal frontage or
>> well I less than 100. Yeah, >> there ones that are going to have the 10 ft, >> right? That's what the correct the zoning rule for, right? >> Correct. >> 10 foot of frontage, >> which the the the 100 foot um frontage
is consistent with the current grandfather clause um under uh 253106 uh which establishes a you know minimum lot size and 100 foot of lot width. foot. So I'd recommend 100 foot minimum
100 foot, >> right? >> For all districts. >> No, for the for 12025. Yeah. >> So basically the sentence would be except as uh necessary to accommodate the yard restrictions below with no minimum lot area and a minimum lot
frontage of 100 ft. >> I agree with that. >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> That eliminates all flag lots. >> What's the minimum lot size now? >> 150. >> 150. But it's an acre and a half. >> Jackie, go ahead.
>> So I I think you can't eliminate minimum any any kind of minimum. You have to have sustain. Now the question is is it 5075 firet truck requirement? >> Right now it's 150 ft. >> But that's in the RA. Right. >> Right. >> We're talking about the RA. We're
specific. No, we're not talking about how >> Yeah, we're talking about RA. So >> 100 I think is reasonable. Yeah. >> Well, Jackie, just so I understand the procedure, >> we're we've been asked to look at 17 and
18. We've been asked to look at 17 and 18. >> The issue is only the new stuff you're saying is 17 and 18. So the we would be accepting or uh we would be accepting 17
and 18 and sending it back and the RA comment can go back to the township committee to do what uh to do what they please. Uh at that point >> your task is to review it for consistency with the master plan and report back whether something is consistent or inconsistent and why you
believe it's inconsistent. If that's your conclusion with recommendations, you certainly can make recommendations. Council committee gets to vote on that. They could they could still adopt 17 drafted >> or it could not accept the >> Yes. Yes.
>> It's just for report and report and response. That's it. You don't you're not voting on what they're voting on. They're the ones that >> they're the ones that voted on 35 days and we didn't have a meeting. So they extended and I think they give us an extension up till the end of the month or maybe the the next meeting which is
December 9th but you have to the I mean a consensus maybe it's not a it's a majority maybe it's not unanimous what the report back should be and obviously if there are comments to the that are inconsistent with the majority and we can certainly include those comments and
as a report back >> as a report back that's that's what I'm trying to get to >> y >> all right so we're acknowledging we reread the report 12 through 18, >> right? >> And um we recognize that 17 and 18 had
changes from what we originally submitted to them. >> 17 and 18 did not get submitted. >> We you added it. Got it. Got All right. Got I'm trying to get the verbiage right here. >> And then if there's any comments uh at that point in time, we can send it back
to the township committee. with the comment that I >> mean I think you probably have to make a >> well the first comment would be on the 17 and 18 to include or frontage >> is that is that a consensus
>> I'm and I'm I'm trying to get the I'm trying to get it pulled together so we can get a consensus here and I'm trying to break out the individual u different comments So it was reviewed would be consistent >> and they're adding the word or frontage
on the ordinance 17 and 18. All right, that gets us that gets us to that point. All right. >> Does anyone else want any other comments added to that besides that? >> Well, just just that there's a um on 18
there is um under in the sentence permitted uses Shelby as follows. There's a um typo on the footage. >> Okay. That's a sign as a sign. Chris will take care of the typo. >> Yeah. Well, can I also just clarify that
um the revisions in 17 and 18 which took out that copy and >> everybody agreed to that and and >> that's that's going to be >> right. We're taking that out. Yep. >> Correct. >> Okay. All right. That gets us to that point
>> and then your comments about 12 will go back to to the board, right? Or to talk about 12, right? 17 simpler and then are there comments on 12 that board wants to include? >> Well, I mean these guys have
>> it's been kicked around the middle trunkage of 100 ft. >> I agree with that. >> Yeah, I would agree. >> And it rules out flag lots which is your concern. >> Rule out flags, right? >> Well, I don't consider 100 foot frontage in the RA area flag. They >> come to meetings all the time and they
grant >> Oh, they do. They do. Yeah, but we're saying 100 foot minimum. >> This and this is only for existing >> existing non-conforming lots, right? >> Somebody has a nonform
with 100 ft, they could still variance, >> they don't need a variance. >> Okay. >> Cuz they have over if they have 100 ft or more, >> they would need one today. >> They would need one today. >> Okay. >> Yes. And that was the intent of the board to eliminate >> to eliminate the necessity of those type
of variances. >> That's right. >> Okay. Do I have a motion or is there any other comments first off on the >> I'm going to thank the board for considering these changes. >> Okay.
>> All right. I need a motion on this to send it back to council committee with the comments that were made. I make a motion uh to report back to the committee um with the comments as discussed. >> Second. >> Uh this evening. >> A motion. Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Chris.
>> Mr. Brandt. >> Yes. >> Mr. Clark. >> Yes. >> Mr. Kelly. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mady. >> Yes. >> Mr. Suede. >> Yes. >> Mr. Traon. >> Yes. >> Mayor Bruno. >> Chairman Pesh. >> Yes.
Okay. Sir, you ready? >> Okay. Now, we'll have uh SP25-01 Plane Farms LLC. >> Good evening. >> Evening, counselor. >> Pardon me. >> I said good evening, counselor.
>> We are here to consider or we are bringing before you an application uh concerning block 1306, lot 34. It's on Delta Drive opposite the Brooks Auction House. It's a 2.41 acre property zoned highway commercial. The proposed
use is for a flex space for contractor office and storage units. This is an allowed use in the zone. So, we don't need to seek use varants. Um, and it also meets all the area and bulk requirements for the zone.
But um you'll hear greater detailed testimony from our engineer, Bill Gilmore. Um but I do want to take a little bit of time in the front to just identify what variances and waiverss we're asking for so that he can be aware of them as he makes this presentation.
So we are requesting a reduction of the agricultural buffer for the rear of the property which is adjacent to some farm queue lots. Um the requirement is 100 feet and we are proposing to reduce it down to 25 feet. Um as you know the
purpose of the buckle requirement is to cut down on complaints from far uh the farmers would get from adjoining property owners regarding noise, dust, odors and uh normal farming operations. In this case, we're proposing a commercial use being basically
contractors with trucks of storage who are highly unlikely to be negatively affected and therefore complaining about the farming operations next door. Uh a reduction of the buffer is appropriate in this particular circumstance
and I would say that it's preferable alternative uh that will not impair the intent and purpose of the zoning code. So you'll see that one as we are um show you the plan. Second thing we're requesting is for the board to determine the appropriate width of the side guard
buffers uh with residential uses on the side of the lot sides of the lot. The ordinance curiously gives a buffer range of 25 to 50 ft depending on the use. Um, this really leaves it up to the board to
decide if the 25 ft that we are proposing is sufficient. The next one is a variance from providing designated loading spaces for each unit. Uh, as the reviewing engineer has pointed out, there are loading areas
that are evident on the plans. Um, but I guess it's not maybe it's not marked on the ground. We we'll get more testimony about that, but you'll see that there are loading areas uh basically for each of the eight units that are being proposed.
We request a design waiver from providing sidewalk along Del Drive in this part of DelC Drive. There are no sidewalks on either side of us and it's also not an area where we do see a lot of foot traffic and
providing the sidewalks will not really provide a benefit to either the users of this property or the public. So, um that's one of the things we're asking to be waved. The last two design waiverss we're asking for are uh regard the building
design itself. The ordinance um requires that facades of longer than 100 ft vary up the look by having projection or recesses along at least 20% of the facade. We do have um we do have some buildings here that are
lower than 100 ft. Um and you what you'll see um what you will see What you will see is that the architect has uh put in and this is an example. This is 140 foot long building. What
you'll see is on the long sides of the building there are windows and doors that uh break up that look. So really um there is some visual interest there. Uh it doesn't just look like a big you know
swath of um of of a siding. So, um I think that the architect has done a job. But anyway, that's what one of the things we're asking for. And the second thing about the building is for the siding itself. Um the ordinance
prohibits pre-fabricated metal panels and aluminum siding as primary building facade materials. I don't really understand why we have that in our ordinance because so many people in Franklin Township have pole barns and agricultural structures whose primary
facade is metal panels. And I'll bet we get a lot of requests for variances from that particular um part of the ordinance. But anyway, it's there. So, we're going to be asking for a design waiver uh for that. So, I
have two witnesses to be sworn in. We have a few gentlemen will come up. Um we have the applicant George Moose and we have Bill Gilmore the site.
Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give before the board will be a couple? >> Thank you. >> So with that I'd like to have here go to uh bring detail about the design. Can I bring it closer?
>> Okay, so this is a color rendition of the site plan that was submitted with the application. We've added an arrow behind it for some context and has some color to it to help point out different features on the site to orient to the plan. Gorgeous is almost straight up in this direction. Dely Drive is running
vertical on page and then the lot is wider on Dussy Drive and it narrows down as we get to the rear. The farm that um Carol was speaking to is in the back area here on the side. We have a zoning district limit line um that doesn't
quite quite the site but it does the uh lot surrounding it. Start line here the property down. Um everything to the right is the RA district. He to the left is highway commercial district and across the street is a highway commercial district as well or foot.
Uh so we have one major uh access point. Um we're proposing a full access full movement driveway. We do have an application in the DOT. We have received our first driveway location. We have some other
technical things that are taking care of you enter the site uh through this driveway. It is uh 24 ft wide. And then as you proceed in u this you can see four buildings that are brown and each building is subdivided into a separate unit. We have eight units within the
four buildings. As you drive in um there's each uh unit each unit uh and building each unit in the building has its own loading area. There's overhead door this location overhead this location along
the sides of the building. We all have the overhead door and door second doors and door entries and the overhead uh door for truck. We do have that during the year outside of the rest of the uh
we provided 30 parking spaces uh before 9 for this use. Uh the way the building is set up, it has an office in the bathroom for a small area and a storage area for the truck. So how it would work is a box truck or a pickup truck come van pull in and park in the building
area back in there. Um they have a bathroom and office and so you know set up for for eight units where we have one uh client that wants to take the whole thing. So pretty simple four building layout.
Um there's a nice architectural look and the stone along the bottom and the sides management system is porous paving. Um there's really not a lot of room on the site to do that. So we're doing paving on it and we can handle that.
>> The site will be serviced by well septic obviously in this area. So >> we do have a well that'll feed the entire complex and also sanitary stew here. Uh this is a 25 foot bunker bust in the building down there and 25 years
here just match the trees in here wood on this side in that area and maintain the woods and just supplement some planting you know you can see it's an issue here where there are no woods we're closing a double row of trees along the side
ID sign on the southern side of the driveway we have clear sight distances with no issues And uh that's sensitive. >> Quick question. Let's talk zoning. The front 300 ft of the property is in
highway commercial. >> Yes. >> And the rear 200 or whatever it is because of the crazy line is in RA. >> No, actually um our whole site is in highway commercial, but the adjacent sites, this is the zone. >> Okay. So the neighbors are only 300 ft,
>> right? that on this side, but this entire lot to the south is in the H district. We have the the buffers because they even though the HD district, it appears that they are utilized as as residential.
>> So So the current zoning where you have the dotted line at the top there, >> uh the current zoning does take that turn and goes around your back. It doesn't split all doesn't split that lot. No, >> it comes out this way. Okay. So, Bill, the the use to the the north
is is what and the use to the south is what? >> Yes, this is residential. This uh appears to be residential and maybe some type of commercial use as a home possibly. Not not exactly sure. >> Chris, I have a procedural question here. The the uh how come there's no
drawings? any uh all I have is the >> conceptual drawings in there. >> The the drawing package >> that should be in there. >> Oh, >> you mean that drawing? >> Yeah. All all the the the whole package
of drawings. >> Yeah, we don't have that. No, >> each board member typically has >> all we have is typography. >> Okay, not a problem. There is there is but it only shows the uh
three sides >> shows the building. >> Sorry about that. Uh >> so Bill, why these guys are looking at this plan? I have a question for you. this pvious paving. What happens to that pvious paving when it gets clogged up with dirt and
everything else? And >> there's a maintenance plan by the DP. You have to back four times a year. A lot of things you have to maintain that we have signs on there for DP obviously come in whoever maintains it
not seal coated not to sand it. The advantage of course standing is uh you know get the heat from under so you know 24 hours that works very well for ice snow may take a little bit you
know melt down but we do some areas stop snow that's also um we are required to provide a maintenance pan rule which um you know every check out document that
>> done. So for Joe um the 24T driveway and all these driveways and then with each uh other driveway in the fronting the uh each storage unit is that sufficient for
fireproof. >> Yeah, we we we can get drugs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, I was I was concerned about the dumpster. I just want to make sure the dumpster's back there, but I seen I I seen it on the electronic. I looked at all that prior coming. >> Yeah,
>> you did get a letter from >> Yeah, I see I read I read it all. >> Joe, give me I I can't let you ask, please. >> Uh I read his letter electronically. >> Oh, electronic. >> Everything's electronic.
>> Is there any other comments on that? Uh it was um it was a dumpster. It was the driveway straight shot back. >> It was the well requested 550 gallons a well. He was asking for a well. >> Um sign
>> Yeah. A sign. He wanted to make sure there's a sign out front which I just said about the address. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just just the normal stuff. >> Normal stuff. Yeah. Now, I'm not sure at this point if you can if you have the information, but uh
on the wall between uh unit C and D, is that a firewall penetrating through or is that just a U dividing wall to separate the two units or is that a firewall going up through the roof >> in between the suites? >> Yeah, in between the suites. I'm going to defer to um that's actually a good
question about that. Um, I'm not sure if we're setting them up as a preview. Will this be a firewall going through or are you going to construct this? >> We're going to construct the wall if somebody wants to do
someone. So, we there's no need for a wall. If they need to construct the wall, then we'll do it according to code, you know, whatever. Like, we get a furnace, put the wall on. Okay. the purpose of the question of it
and they were longer than 100 feet, but once the fire started in the storage unit, it ran the entire unit. And what what I'm looking at is that if you're dividing if you're putting multiple uh tenants within the same building that that wall is not just a partition
>> sheetrock uh partition that it's a fire it's a true firewall to protect the b the rest of the building is is where I'm heading with the comment or the question Terry you had uh Uh earlier you had made a comment with regards to the metal u
siding of the building. I uh I I agree with you that the pole barns in the backyard are metal clad. Uh but when we were in the carters uh and the dollar stores were coming up who wanted to do the exact same thing. The thought
process there is the the front of the building. I I understand the pieces in the back that's out of sight, but the uh at least the front of the first unit and uh the sidewalls uh to a point of some
kind of uh brick or stone or something decorative uh rather than a metal building sitting out on the edge of uh 47. So, uh, you know, it was a your your attorney made a good shot at it, uh, comparing it to pull bars in people's backyards, but quite honestly, that's
not going to fly. >> So, what Joe is saying as depicted in your rendering for the front building. >> Yeah. >> The rear buildings, not so much, >> right? They'll be right. And the view from Delta, you really won't even see that. You see them angularly, but not,
you know. Yeah. >> Are all are all the buildings uh expected to have that stone? >> Yes. >> Along the bottom? >> Yeah. >> We agree. We can agree to make it stone all the way across >> the whole the whole face of the
building. >> Sure. >> And is that what you guys? >> Yeah. You know, it's the architectural uh piece of it going down DelC Drive is the intent there. and and and uh yeah, your attorney's not the first one to try
that. Uh and it hasn't worked yet. >> So the the top the top rendering is what you will be visible from Deli, right? The very top drawing. >> So it's technically the it's the rear of the building
>> but visible from Deli, right? He said the whole I said something architectural coming down the drive rather. >> Is there also landscaping provided in front of that facade? >> Gotcha.
>> Are there stone on the facade of all those buildings? Like >> that's what we're asking. >> Three foot up. >> Yes. over here >> on all four sides for all four buildings. >> All four buildings. >> I put it on all four. You guys, I believe it's in the packet. I don't know
if you >> No, I just want to be clear as to where is that just for >> It's going to be on all the buildings. >> Okay. All right. And and that's what I'm referring to. I I didn't pick up on that. I uh >> Yeah, it's here. Every building has some stone somewhere. >> The middle two renderings don't. And not
the one you're holding. There's no stone aart. >> Okay. Building three, the long sides both have stone at the bottom. The this one short side does and this one short side does not. So on building three, one of the sides does not. >> That's the the property line facing that
you're not going to see, right? >> Stone, right? >> And that's what I'm referring to in And this building here, this rear that factor, that does not have stone.
>> Something something to break it up. >> Break it up. Yeah, I I know this is kind of probably too early to ask this question because there's space you're looking to uh rent space out, but is hours of operation just because there's a residential in the north and a residential in the
south. Um, you know, is there do you know, you know, it's going to be in there? Like is there an hours of operation or you don't really know anything about that yet? Let me let me just a little make a
little bit of commentary. I thought about that that we might get that question and this is not like a retail operation. I think it really is going to come down to maybe what kind of lighting is there. But a truck a guy or gal coming at night, you know, after work to
go in there and unload their stuff and get ready for the next day, that's the kind of thing that you're going to have in these units. You're not going to have constant like in and out traffic with retail customers. >> We're not going to have a guy fixing heavy equipment 2:00 in the morning. Yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> I mean, that's kind of what we're
worried about. >> Yeah, that's right. >> We get the retail aspect. I mean, every retail usually shuts at 8:00, 9:00. >> Yeah. >> You know, some guy just going to go in there and fix heavy equipment at night time. Okay. >> Yeah. >> That's going to cause us problems. >> So, uh I just have a quick question. Can
you just clarify what type of businesses might be coming in to make sure it's not it's consistent with the use and the zoom? >> Yeah. Well, the um contractor generally, you know, contractor businesses, I mean, but you know, contractors, plumbers,
electricians, they need the space to keep their vans, keep their material storage. They might have some office spaces in there to work at night or whatever, but you're not going to have triacles coming in there, >> right? >> They call them like office warehouses.
So, it's a space to store your material and at the same time you can have a compress >> you said landscapers. Will you have any outside storage going on? >> Everything will be in the building. How number of employees would would you
anticipate number of employees for projects on these contractors? >> So the good thing is that there's a lot of parking spaces for each one. So a contractor could have a couple of employees come and park and then they all get in one truck together and throw
the job done. So this septic field that you show since you don't know who's going to be in the building and you don't show the employees is have you done any prelim calcs to account for the size of that? before we start doing stuff through the engineers redesigning it.
So it is kind of selfing, >> right? Okay. is probably >> will there be any restricted uses that you're not going to have on there like you know an auto repair shop like if somebody wanted to put a couple lifts
in their shop. >> Yeah. In my experience with other properties I have when I have a new tenant moving in first they have to have they need to apply for a co. So, it's really up to you guys. Like, you know, when I have a new tenant, they want to rent the space. We
>> We found it to believe is not most people are honest. >> We come to believe most people aren't honest about their intentions. >> Not enough to get I mean, that's how it all starts out, right? >> Yeah, sure. Give him the CEO. Next thing you know,
>> and the chair the chair did not say that. >> So, I want to address Mayor Bruno. I want to circle back to what you mentioned about people coming in and not not having these loud noise at night stuff. I think we we should put some restriction in. Not that the contractor
can't come in at 11. >> I'm not talking about a guy coming back at night. It's dark or whatever, but >> yeah. >> Yeah. I've seen >> You're not going to be loading loading bulldozers at uh at midnight getting ready for the next day. >> Right. Listen,
>> you'll be surprised when you find out about this loading and unloading after certain time or >> really just contact the van car guys electric stuff like that. Not really. >> Somebody's dropping a van off picking up
their personal vehicle 10:00. I mean, >> so you've done this before, I assume. >> Yeah. This is going to be an interesting resolution for Jackie to bring >> Can you can you say what what you're >> can you restrict the operation operating
of machinery maybe that you know that >> so I I have a question for the applicant and maybe you can clear some of this up the only activity that is going to take place in these buildings based on what you're saying and I want to put words in your mouth is storage and ancillary
office use is that correct >> storage and talks. >> Okay. No, no repair of equipment. No, no manufacturing of anything. >> Um >> fabricating >> no fabrication of of that's not the zon.
>> Well, no, I agree with you. It's not that's why that's why I'm asking you to place that on the record. Yeah. >> To comply with the township codes. Now, is it possible that you would have a retail uh facility
to to any extent there uh or retail showroom, which I believe is permitted. >> Um, if you had a uh yeah, a kitchen cabinet uh contract, you could have something like that. But again, there would be no manufacturing of cabinetry there. There would be maybe
a gran a showroom, but then no manufacturing of granite countertops or anything like that. said it's strictly storage office and any permitted retail that that's allowable in the zone essentially is what you're saying right the operation of heavy machinery that's
kind of >> no restrict no no repair no auto repair none of those type of uses >> you can you can store it but you can't operate it right there Sorry. >> Right. You would restrict the operation
the the operations of any machinery. >> Yeah, I think you Yeah. Um and I >> mean you can you can store machinery just can't operate. >> Can't operate machinery factory no fabrication >> and retail hours >> obviously if there's potential for retail use.
>> I mean that that's l that's a loose that's a bold restriction because I mean in my shop we have 10 scissor lifts that are getting loaded. They're electric. We have, you know, a boom lift. I mean, you like define machinery. >> Yeah. Operating machinery.
>> Now, here's the way machinity with tracks. >> You can't you can't bring it because it's going to take all the asphalt off. If somebody operates in shiny tracks over there, they're going to have a big answer. Thank you.
>> We And we always >> we always fall back on the town ordinance as well. and and enforce it uh under the sound ordinance. >> You you intend to retain ownership of this this project. Is that is that your intention to retain the ownership of the project? >> Yes.
>> Okay. And you're proposing eight units. You you're it'll be eight or less units. You don't intend on uh dividing them further uh in the additional units. Correct. >> More than eight. >> So So eight or less >> and we might have one tenant that's
going to put the whole thing. >> The whole thing. Right. No storage of vehicles other than what may be kept inside a building. >> Excuse me. >> No storage of vehicles. >> No storage >> available in the parking area overnight. >> Yeah. >> Well, they if they have work vans, they
they'll probably be there. >> Yeah. They're going to run a business. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I know, but I'm just saying like you can't say no story. >> Okay. Uh does anybody else have any questions or like to move on with the our engineer
planners report uh review? >> Who would you like to go first there? Ed. >> Okay, I'll go first. >> All right. Um >> probably not. Yes. >> Can you provide some clarification about
the advice on any of the root leaders before entering the statement? >> Yeah. >> Can I can I hear the question again? I didn't hear the question. >> All right. >> Can you provide clarification on the pre-treatment devices for the roof leaders?
>> Certainly. We're proposing gutters now. >> Um we did have the opportunity to do a review letter and you are all items. Um we we initially submitted it and then we received the review letter
to that letter minor comments that we are just >> that was going to be my next question. Yeah, that we will not comply with you satisfied probably 90% of the letter.
>> Do you have a plan for the maintenance of these pavement? >> Yes, we'll submit that. We didn't see it. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I just
referenced CME report number four. We identified two variances and I think the applicant was already requesting from them um that 100 foot wide agricultural buffer to the area of
the property uh loading and unloading uh for commercial spaces. And he also identified a couple of um design exceptions and waiverss uh for the sidewalk uh landscape buffer between 25 to 50 ft.
Um and the building design I think we already went through that at least if we recommend that the main building along the frontage if we could have some recesses that's our accommodation board uh emphasize that as well. Um and then
our planning comments. I think the applicant addressed um most of our planning comments. Um could you speak a little bit to uh recycling refues? We realize you have one for eight units. We just wanted to understand how recycling
will be uh handled refu and recycling. So we're going to have um that pick up the contact pick have two bins in there for recycling
as I guess your experience with the other facilities. How do you do these sites generate a lot of traffic where I Usually they have dumpsters dumpsters, but we're providing one for them.
This these are they're not manufacturing facilities. They're just for storage. There isn't much trash. Right. Right. So, um, we do have the ability to, um, put two dumps in there, one for recycling, one for that, um, and we can work with the engineer to make
sure size wider two. Obviously, if they're if they are being filled up, then we anticipate, we just increase the schedule, you know, taking. >> How about mechanical equipment? You
anticipate any mechanical equipment and where are they located? Are they roof mounted or onsite? >> Hback. >> Hback. Yes. >> Repairs. I'm reading it right now. units are not going to have. There's going to be just for the office
>> a mini for the office, >> but then there's going to be like shop. I just want to make sure all those are screened. I see that those are most of my comments. >> The um the landscaping plan especially
is um thanks to the uh property line on the north and the south next to the residential areas. What's the plan? What are those plans? Do you do you know the name? Do you have the plans there? >> Fueling stations.
>> Huh? >> Is it in green? He's a green giant. >> Red cedar assassin red. >> All right. >> You should ask him to explain it. Bill. >> Yeah.
Okay. So, I'm sorry. >> Can you point out the location of the electric vehicle st charging stations and how many parking stalls you have in? >> Yeah. So, we we uh will be three for each one. Those look like they're marked. They'll be um close to the
office area service. >> Your electric ground. What type of trucks do you have on the site? You're going to pull out like a WB67. >> So, I think we're we're anticipating is maybe small. Are you expecting any like deliveries or
anything that might exceed that? >> No, I think you know if it's come to warehouse something like this again very large items. >> Okay, Jackie. Oh, I was going to say just have to address the request the ver
the ag landscape office 2500 ft before you vote on it. >> Yep. >> Question for building the engineer. The uh pvious cover for the parking is something new to me. I mean I mean I I I
see asphalt, I see concrete and then I see crushed stone. >> What is this proposed covering? >> Yes, this is very similar. You also see uh we work a lot with coarse concrete. It's the same thing. So basically what it is is it's the same mix of asphalt use a little bit different binder to it.
So it's open friction grade. So what happens is um the range is really good. So it has a 20 per hour grade. So you could take you know col >> not to be confused with asphalt millings.
>> Definitely different. >> That's what I was afraid of. there. They're not good. Um, yeah. So, this is a deep primer. So, it's four or five inches of uh that friction for asphalt. One sand right underneath course and
crushed stone underneath that. So, the water immediately goes through it and it's dispersed throughout the stone voids of it. >> How common is that today in construction? >> Pretty common now. UP really gives us only a few options. an open basin uh
which is difficult if you have a shallow groundwater table because we have rules like stuff like that. So groundwater would come up and set the basin wouldn't work. Of course as we use in areas uh conditions where you know the site is kind of strain not wasted land based for
that and areas again are shallow. If you dig a basin you're already 3 ft ground you know and it's shallow you can't meet that. If you do you know you're only foot and half into the ground based on the thickness. So does that. It is more
common now because again >> so it's it's like a hot hot mix and it's all rolled and it doesn't need >> but again it's tested in that was actually one of the fire
marshall's questions. He wanted to make sure it substantain 75,000 lb. >> Yeah rated for that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Just like this. Just like the regular bolt, right? It's just open. >> Gives you better traction.
The main thing to worry about is someone come back and start off again. It is vacuum working. You'll know. Ed, do you do you have any experience with this impervious asphalt like in the
field or >> we've used it in a couple locations in a couple locations? >> Yeah. >> Um it's being used more often where you're moving space through >> the state's actually encouraging. >> I Yeah, I don't I'm not suggesting that yeah, we would restrict the use, but I'm
just curious like what the um what the longevity is and and what's you know the maintenance seems to be the biggest issue. Um, >> as long as it's maintained accurately and correctly and routinely, it should along the rest of the asphalt. It shouldn't be an issue.
>> So, I guess as far from an enforcement standpoint, um, it it's no different than any other stormwater management uh, plan. Uh, in the event in the event that there was a failure, uh, >> Yep. >> would act the same. Are you planning to do post construction
testing on the Fergus pavement to confirm the performability? >> I believe it is. Yeah. How about signage? You have plans for signage a unit. >> Oh, for the tenants, different tenants.
Would you have different signs or just one non-mounted sign? >> We have one sign >> and that's it. as you come in through the area. Um, but as far as individual signage,
you have your ID sign. Everybody would have like the sign on top of their building on top of the Right here shows the name the name of the company. >> Actually, we're named them like 1 A, 1
B, 2 A, 2 B, 3 A, >> right? That that's for the bill, but identifying the tenant. It would be a sign on the door, above the door type of thing. No signs out, uh freestanding signs. uh out into the parking lot area.
Uh you're told >> at least have the site the ID sign. >> Yeah, just the ID sign, right? Exactly. Okay. I I just want to clarify that. Ed, do you have anything else in your team? >> Any other I just want to ask Jackie Jackie, are
you satisfied that um the intended use meets the requirements for the permitted for the um IC? >> Yeah, I mean I think I think it does. um within the parameters of the testimony that we heard today.
>> Okay. Uh >> could I >> Yep. >> So I just want to because we had a lot of discussions about operational machinery. So I just want to clarify where did we land on that? We're not going to use that language. You can't
operate machinery. We're more concerned about noise restrictions and not working on cars or you know whatever like that those kind of restrictions but not >> you're not going to have an overnight mechanic working on machine work working on an excavator that they use for
trenching at at midnight because >> as far as how that language gets into the >> I don't know if that language belongs in there. My thought is and I'll I'll leave it to the members of the board here. My thought is that we enforce the noise orders and if you're out there at
midnight running a jackhammer, you're going to get a visit by a cop and then uh on the second time you're going to be sitting in front of the judge uh and enforce under the nor rather than trying to m micromanage the one application. We
just depend on the ordinances that are in place and enforce it that way. I'm not sure where the rest of the >> Could you could you say something like, you know, we restrict the operations of the operating of machinery that violates the sound coordinates?
>> I don't think it refer to you have to because that is restricted by there. I you know I think what I think what we're just we're all what we're concerned with is the noise not necessarily operating as to you know what um Kyle said you know you can't restrict somebody from
operating a small piece of machinery it doesn't make any noise that's that's not fair either but the real the issue is that is the sounds the noise >> yeah the concern is the house >> yeah they would have to be >> consist I'm only concerned about the yeah 2:00 in the morning
>> one further question. I know and I'm not sure if I wrote this down correctly, Karen. Uh variance from uh designated loading area in each unit. I don't hear any testimony. >> That was Yeah. >> And um they talked about how you could
pull a truck up to the overhead door and pull in and unload, you know, materials or something. I think that's so the question for the board is, is that acceptable or do you want somebody to identify and strike down something on the ground? that says this is the loaded
zone. >> It's going to be there only self-explanatory. >> There's an open door. >> Yeah. >> So we can have a waiver of that designate. >> Okay. >> I think our comments are related to the
fact it's not just identify. That's you also have eight units that are shown on there and you only have four theoretically, you know, access points from that perspective. So if you're going to have additional loading zones, you just need to have the appropriate >> striping. You did
>> is the is the forest pavement just for clarification purposes for pay which color uh the lighter one. >> As a landlord, I would think you would want to have people tenants in there
that are um you know very um workable with the neighbors. Like if you have somebody in there that's not a a good tenant, you push them out, do what you have to do. >> Absolutely. >> And get the best people in there cuz
you're have two residential neighbors. >> Absolutely. And you know, you only need good tenants to pay you every month. >> You don't want them bad. >> I understand quite well. >> The renegades are no good.
>> Yeah. >> All right. In a moment, I want to open this Unless there's more questions, I'm going to open it up to the public in a moment. >> Oh, go ahead. >> Sidewalk. I was asked to get a little bit more testimony onto the record about this asking for a variance in the sidewalk.
>> Yeah. Be the only sidewalk along. >> Yeah. So, uh, anybody is Okay. >> All right. >> All right. Uh before I open to the public the uh
Ralphie yeah 25 ft uh you have any >> well it's currently wood >> it's currently wood >> it's a lot of area open area there are some moves along the side of it now does require that the plan county
plan and compensation stuff so we will do a tree survey the area that disturbed >> I thought there was a Q form in the There is >> that's what I'm asking. >> So just real quick from from a use perspective for the the uses that are permitted within the zone ultimately
speaking from from a you're the reason that there's a question being asked is you have a use that's more you know uh let's just say septic generating. You're going to have to go back and forth with the town. If you change the use you might have to go back to the health department afterwards. So if you're
going to go through that just identify what your most you know intense use might be. and then follow Ralph. What I was referring to was the uh Q form in the back. Is there any issues there? >> The ordinances indicate that it's 100
foot of a buffer. U this particular applicant uh has proposed 50 foot >> 25 >> in the rear. >> Rear. >> We have a duct system here. And so this is a 25 foot uh ber
>> and those are existing trees that dark color green. >> I I don't see any issue. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> They're existing woods. >> All right. >> You resolution cover in resolution. Should
there be a resolution, you would be prohibited from cutting the trees down in the rear because then it would violate the egg buffer variance that you're requesting. >> So, I would like that language in the resolution. >> One one thing I would like to add to
that is just to make sure that they're they would have to shift their substances potentially to keep in compliance with that. They can't have treason from county requirements. Yeah, we we'll make sure that >> Okay, everybody good. All right, this time I'll entertain a motion to open the uh hearing to the public.
>> Make that motion. >> I have a motion. Second. All in favor? >> We're open to the public for any comment. >> There's one person in the back of the room. >> All right. Thank you, sir. >> Motion to close open public portion. >> All in favor? I
>> I >> All right. Where we at? >> Yep. I make a motion to approve SP25-01 with all the stuff Jack over. >> I'll second it.
>> Okay, Jack, before we call for bill, let's uh just go over real summarize. >> You summarize that for us so they everybody knows what's on that list. >> Okay. um subject to
let's start with 25 ft of agricultural buffer in the back further than the septic prohibited from cutting down underneath trees in the rear. you may have to shift the septic field as a result of compliance with that requirement
that um I should touch sidewalks. >> Yeah, sidewalk the waiver um waiver regarding I'm trying to see what the restrictions were. The waiver regarding the um
designated loading and unloading zones is granted. It doesn't mark but um right EV for each building I don't listen to the tape but you know
I sufficient ordinance 25 >> right 25 design waver sidewalk the building design um recipient various recesses Pursuant to the code, I think the
agreement was that that the space street spacing frontage is going to be covered with stone. Um, and then the rest of the buildings as depicted in the drawings are going to be partially my motion >> stands for what to put that shell on
stone on the bottom and the metal. I'm okay with that. >> I am okay. Del I I I never picked up that the uh that there was uh stone on the front. I thought it was all >> that he would stone the entire
>> How I thought I heard that too. >> How high up does that stone go? >> 3 ft. three feet. >> So, they're waving the prohibition against the >> Now, if the applicant wants to go a little further and make it more decorative because it's facing Deli Drive, the there wouldn't be an
objection to that, but it's a stone doesn't have to go all the way up. >> They have like really some really interesting colors. There you go. No longer just that's what we're saying. >> And it looks good with the stone at the top. >> Yeah, we want a good looking building.
And I'm sure you want a good looking building. I want too. Yeah. So, All dividing any units will be fire code. Really sad. I know. >> No outside storage. Um except for
obviously a park. Um, you agree to I said you're going to retain ownership and sustaination storage and the reuse, no fabrication, no manufacturing, um,
no, you say repair of heavy machinery or we're not going to limit that. >> I would just put no never equipment repair. Yeah. >> Right. >> Unpermitted repair. Just the no fabrication part is a little what if a
HVAC guy is putting together some plenums and things like that in a shop and then he's going to go install it somewhere. >> You know what I mean? >> It's closed looking. >> Well, what if a guy wants to open up a full-blown sheet metal shop then? I mean, that's what we're trying to Yeah.
I don't think a guy putting plumes together is going to get a a visit from the zoning officer. But a guy running a full metal sheet metal >> When you say no something, no fabrication. >> Sure, somebody could be fabricating quilts in there. >> It doesn't make any noise.
>> I would think that as long as the neighbors aren't being bothered. I don't think anybody's going to be >> Well, I think we addressed that anything would be >> I think that we addressed that anything would still be subject to whatever noise ordinance >> still want to include something about
manufacturing. >> But doesn't and that screws up the zoning too, right? Doesn't that violate zoning? >> All right. accessory uses allow limited manufacturing assembly incidental to on-site retail business um such as
bakery silk screening. >> So that would be and that's within the word. >> Yes, >> Jackie read that again please. limited manufacturing and assembly incidental to the on-site retail business and that
gives examples of bakery, silk screen. >> So that I I believe that covers that at at that point uh heavy manufacturing versus putting stuff together. accessory to the actual Kelly said it's >> true.
>> So we want to limit the manufacturing would be prohibited. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Heavy manufacturing >> because as long as they meet that requirement, they're okay. All right. I have a motion in a second. I uh I'll go back to I'm going to go
back to you. I just want to get clarification on something I have. I >> I I see you down there, John. Let me get I'll get my question out. I want to go back to the trash. The landlord is responsible for the dumpster and that's part of the lease of the individuals. Is
that what I'm hearing? Uh who's responsible for the uh the dumpsters? >> The tenant or the is it is it part of the lease? common dumpster and it's the landlord who's responsible for that >> and and who >> the landlord >> landlord. Okay, I got all right.
>> We'll have one dumpster for landfill and one for >> recycling. Okay. >> And then we'll like have a contact with whoever is the waste management around here come pick them up every week. >> Right. I just want to make sure tenant uh A1 just isn't taking his trash and
putting it outside and leaving it piled up. That's there there's a connection to that dumpster and somebody's responsible for it. >> This is a common dumpster for the whole propert. I'm going to be responsible. >> Okay. But we want to restrict the tenants from putting out their own
dumpsters. You're going to provide the dumpster. >> There's going to be one space for dumpsters. >> Yeah. That's what I want to get away from is somebody piling their trash and recycling up outside the building. >> Okay. Just one clarification for for on the same exact subject, the screening
that's proposed around it. Should you not be able to put in landscaping proposing to put in, you know, fencing if that's with youing the white fence around gate and land. >> Okay. Yeah. Chances are you're not going to be able to fit that landscaping in there with the rest of your perimeters that are going to be shipped in. No,
just fence. >> Yeah, it's a hide privacy. >> And you're are going to include a second dumpster for for two dumpsters. >> Okay. And taking that trash concern outside the building now going over to
the dumpster. and it's not our responsibility, but somewhere in the lease, we would be addressing construction debris that they're bringing back from the job sites and throwing a whole job site of stuff in your dumpster that you're paying for. Uh you would be addressing that somehow in
your lease. Uh that it's only the trash from generated from within the building type of thing. My from my my perspective, my concern is a gigantic pile of construction debris uh that's brought from a job site and is laying outside the dumpster now because it's
full. >> Yeah. Well, we have to address that. >> Yep. Yep. >> You know, we have security cameras around. >> Okay. All right. But but I guess I think Joe is saying you will have language in your lease agreement with each tenant restricting that type of um throwing
away, you know, getting rid of the trash. Yeah, >> John, earlier you had your hand up. Uh, >> I was just sorry, John. >> Not a problem. Jackie, are you okay now with all the language? Uh, for a call for >> I am. I will I will listen to everything
carefully. I think we've covered everything. >> Okay, got it. You think, Jackie? You think you covered everything? I'm pretty >> Will you give me a minute? All right, I have a motion in a second. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Brandt. Yes,
>> Mr. Clark. >> Yes, >> Mr. Kelly. >> Yes, >> Mr. Mady. >> Yes, >> Mr. Suede. >> Yes, >> Mr. Travalone. >> Yes, >> Mayor Bruno. >> Hurry up with your >> chairman. >> Yes. Congratulations. Good luck.
>> Thank you very much. >> What's your timeline? When are you going to start? >> What are you looking for? A space? >> No, I'm just wondering. I I want to come see this pvious pavement. I'm uh intrigued by this. Yeah, I'm interested. >> Yeah. Yeah, I want to check so much. >> Good luck. Good luck. Good luck.
>> He's waiting on DOT and uh >> DOT approvals. Yeah. >> So, so maybe springtime or >> we'll just issue the permits when I'm >> like moving through the agenda. Uh there's no correspondence. Uh there's no
communications. >> No communication. >> Correspondence. The uh 2026 annual municipal pig uh compliance statement. >> All good. >> I'll make a quick comment. Um a quick comment, Mr. Mayor. Uh state of New Jersey requires that the agriculture
advisory committee do it once annual uh report to the planning board since it's a subset. So, we all have copies and it it tells us roughly what we've done in the past, what we plan on doing in the future. Uh, as township residents, um,
in 2023, the township spent $220,000. In 2024, the township spent $40,000 and in 2025, the township spent $60,000 of our open space funds um for farmland preservation. Uh
we have an aggressive program over uh 3,300 acres in the town has been preserved. Uh an example of such is just right where we're sitting. It's called the municipal building park. There's four acres here,
but it's part of our total of the 3,300 acres. >> That's it. >> Thank you, Ralph. Um the minutes of uh September 16th. >> I make a motion to approve as listed. >> Second. >> Move in second. All in favor? >> I abste here.
>> Got it. >> Jackie, no need for close session. Correct. >> Nothing for closed session. >> All right. Thank you. Any members have comments this evening >> hearing? Got anything? >> Happy Thanksgiving. >> No. No. >> Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving. >> Just wanted to make sure we're out. I haven't had dinner yet.
>> Happy Thanksgiving to all. >> Motion. Motion to adjourn. Yeah, I got a motion. Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> thank you. >> Breakfast. Breakfast. >> Speaking of breakfast, are we are we going out?
>> Yeah.