you want to get started welcome this is the economic development committee you've met everybody except this gentleman here we haven't met him yeah he Brian Brian Dev I'm L mafa chair
yeah Jim Kelly to my left Jason Brandt Joe patch Jason Jason J Joe We're The Economic Development Committee of Franklin Township um our job is to kind of um review these
type of projects and pass them on we we don't have any Authority in terms of approvals of any kind we just make recommendations as to what we think so they like us to kind of screen them first uh and you
know give you guys some understanding of what our opinions are and where we think you need to or whether it's going to work not going to work whatever those type of things again to totally our opinion we don't have any authority to make decisions that has to be done by somebody above our
payam Mr M first I think the first order of business before we let each Chen doing the presentation is to nominate me it's our first meeting of the year is to nominate a chairperson and I with that said I nominate Mr mafa as chair for I have to accept it you have to accept well no you don't have to accept it but
you're going to get out voting so it doesn't matter whether you accept it or not okay okay okay we do it again I'll would second that thank you okay a roll call Jim yes Jason yes Joe I'm not sure yes all right and then I'm going to
make a motion that Jim be the the uh Vice chair and I'll second that motion roll call yes me yes yes yes yes Jim all right good we're ready to go that was F so gentlemen the floor is yours anytime you want to start
thanks having us tonight I'm Brian I [Music] am ESP working St here Mich um my name is Michael kley um I'm a
professional licensed engineer in state maurity Pennsylvania Delaware Maryland water States um so my expertise is in the structural design of the facilities in the buildings um so you know Bri's on
the building side I'm on the design side of you know these Ty of buildings um and our background where we come from is we um long longterm friends um so these down here in South Jersey um this is
something that we're kind of just starting together outside of our our normal lines of business um so we're looking to to do one of these projects that we're either designing or building dayto day we're looking to do one of these projects myself so you you two are
Partners in are are you the only two members of this LLC or are there other members there one other individual who uh another buddy of mine um he's not in the technical side of things um but he's uh you know along
with us he's a sort of partner equal partner in what's his name um so just let me make sure I have the spelling right so Mike your last name is the camp what how do you spell it d i d i c a m yeah p l i and then Frank's how do you spell that his name a
u d d i NL a u d d i n o and okay and the three of you are the are the three uh Partners uh again you're the only Partners in this LLC corre
okay do you guys own the property already or you just have it on contract no how long have you owned it um how long four weeks the the C administrator had a
conceptual uh plan uh plan is this is uh 40 and Main um just Northeast of the intersection correct second second lot second lot up on the uh on the right side is that
F next to it's next the next property nor it was cl right street from the Del garage it's a little bit further down a little bit further down it's it's just just uh east of dir Road inter just the dirt road goes from
Harding Highway right to main right to main road right yeah this the property it's kind of a tree in the middle of that dirt road it used to be remember it used to be an old boat back there you live here long enough you
learn you know everything back there do you guys own any other property in Franklin we do not what brought your attention to that property just just um our you know buddy Frank his family own property Council for a long
time they were con with the area um again based off what we do uh we know that that area the zoning of it was like manufacturing for that property um it came on to the market um kind of GRA our attention CU 2 miles down the road
there's a nice project that we did a few a few years back how many years back right the Farms FS I mean there's there was a lot there's there was tax advantages for that property and we did
a we did a pilot plan down there payment the loop taxes it's near the airport keep going down keep going down to bua it's actually about a mile two miles I would say it's it's 3/4 of a mile down okay on the
right it's just bacing land bake Atlanta there it's all it has infrastructure there though it has water sewer um roadway um and it's approved for um for that type of use that you're
looking to do as well as others warehous yeah it's done the same as this property like manufacturing yeah just just as a matter of information you guys already bought this property so but that that has that has everything there ready to go you know versus what you have here but
sure um is that you know what the the to is looking for like from an economic standpoint if it's what we're going after what is beneficial to the township well Township really uh uh Township's involved in a master plan
currently the plan planing board we have a few of the members here well three of three of these gentlemen are on the planning board I know they're redoing the master plan not sure basically what they're looking for in terms of development because one of the problems we have in Franklin Township is we have
no water and we have no sewer so that always poses an issue um for anyone coming in that's looking to do any type of building of any kind large building of any kind um and then when you talk
about Warehouse type of construction depending upon where you're going to build it you can get the ire of the township residence to come out and because warehousing and residents don't seem to I see eye to eye of late as you can see throughout South Jersey it's a
big issue you know you're seeing these warehouses go up all over the place and you see people coming out and publicly um you know demanding that they not be built and so on and so forth so you know to say you know what's the township
looking at um it's tough because like I said without water and sore uh and without the master plan being completed I mean it's being updated I'm not sure exactly which way there's not there's not a ton of stuff you could do here in Franklin Town yeah the one the focus of the ma the master plan's got to be
updated every 10 years so so it's not a replacement of the existing plan but it's amendments to the plan because laws change over the that time period but um and so over the last 10 years has really been the onset of all these Mega warehouses so um that's why you've seen
so many pop up all over the place because a lot of Town's Master plans didn't have anything in them to manage that type of growth so what we attempted to do in in our amendment was was to try to um just put kind of put put a you
know your arms around any potential projects and there's certain restrictions as far as how far away can they be from homes how far away do they have to be from schools do they have to be on major thorough fares uh that type of thing now we made our recommendations to the township committee the township
committee now has to ad you know either adopt them or or reject them so that's where that stands right now now as it relates to Cold Storage which I looked at what you and that looks like what you're proposing correct correct about 2
miles down Main Road is the largest Cold Storage uh provider in this area RLS I don't know if you're familiar with RLS yeah they they have they're probably the largest taxpayer in Franklin Township in terms of the I'm I'm not
sure how many square feet I think it's similar to this Pro because they have multiple they have multiple buildings there they also do Logistics as you pointed out but they also do cold storage there huge in in Frank country I'm sorry well we know them I mean I we grew
up with the uh the father who passed away recently and now the kids from kids one of them passed away as well so it's Russell who's now running um he's younger than we are but I we know him personally I think he sits on his own doesn't he yeah yeah I mean yeah he's come before the boards multiple times
for different every time he's tried to do something he's have to come before boards and so so he's he's uh you know he like I said I think he's the single largest taxpayer his company is the single largest taxpayer in Franklin Township not far from what that's why I thought maybe you were doing something
with him when I saw that have you talk to so you guys are are looking to to develop this project and flip it to an N user or um lease back or something okay
[Music] buy do you have an end user in mind or you just you're not just specking this thing right uh okay do you have financing so you're going to you're going to fund the construction and cash
and then you going to try to fin it and then try to to Le up yeah yeah no knowing that intersection there be one lot off the intersection how how
are you going to address trafficking that's probably the worst intersection in the township as far as tractor Trail or traffic goes how is the entrance going to be uh on and off 40 or or on and off Main and how are you addressing the uh traffic coming off the facility
like that in intersection it's it's just so difficult for the truck that's pointing southbound to make a uh left turn to go eastbound on Main Road uh you know H how are you addressing traffic coming off of that
property I'm not sure no I that's what I'm saying I I don't have a copy of the yeah sure you can come up yeah absolutely absolutely this is very laid back um so we we're not proposing any entrances on Main Road strictly because of that reason as well as we know that
there is a elementary school so we don't want to disrupt main road at all not a so you're going to push out on the 40 correct and you you need do approval for that as well right yeah because we we
had to get the approval for marage right so that's out of the jurisdiction of the Township anyway that would be jurisdic but my my first thought looking at the driveway entrance on the south side of the property being close to that
the intersection I think the I don't know but I would assume do is going to flip that around and put the entrance uh to the far north of uh where you have it the top of the drawing get yeah because
you got the uh the next property over you're up against the the the light at 40 and Main well and don't forget Joe there's a project that was just approved yeah and that's going to have delivery trucks all right you got you get there's a dollar uh the the uh Dollar General
got a an approval on that corner lot between you and the between your property the corn property and that is that aeni yeah yeah it's but there was a lot of discussion about how the trucks were
going to come in because of that inter yeah and we're not going to control we have no control that's going to be dot is going to control that uh you know those approvals have to come from them yeah I we're willing to work with them yeah I I'm just looking at it
and thinking that's a tough access that's tight to the corner especially especially in the summer time like this year the short track that's a large lot for just dollar generally they pass any or put any other ideas out for that lot no actually I
think what they did was they subdivided that lot the Dollar General will be on the corner there'll be a vacant lot between your your parcel and the dollar the Dollar General so yeah uh yeah yeah so the the lot that show on the tax map uh directly adjacent
to your has been subdivided and the Dollar General will be built you know more towards the intersection of uh of Main and R 40 looking to do anything more with that property or kind of tight on our
property yeah I mean depending how much money you have I'm sure do anything Fazio depends on the day of the week and uh yeah I Tred to buy a lot from him for $3,000 and he told me no yeah yeah Fazio has been he's been on and off with his
with his uh real estate correct is that I mean you said your due diligence the property is listed for sale I'm sure you you looked at it right it's been listed for sale years it's ridiculous ridiculous amount right I mean well there was a gas station there he he had
to clean that up right on the corner yeah so there was a gas station right on the corner okay so I know there was some uh there was some cleanup had to be done there we I think that's a different Z he's commercial yeah he yeah he's Highway commercial yeah you guys are
like manaing is there in the master plan re master plan is there anything going on to this corner here like you at this corner no no no the so what we did was you know it some of the things that we're recommending had to do with
warehousing uh buffers solar huh solar solar yeah but 10 years ago warehousing wasn't at least in this part of the uh State warehousing other than violence really
we need to address it uh oh sorry we need to address it that in solar and then square footage of out buildings but everything everything that the planning board did like Jimmy said earlier was a recommendation to the town committee now
it's uh it's for them to either accept it and pass it by ordinance or not so it's kind of the reason he's dancing around is it's in limbo right now recommendations were made but they haven't been uh solidified in an ordinance yeah and is the highway commercial like
Zing you know how strict is that like it I know we're in light manufacturing but if we were in Highway commercial and we wanted to do like something more warehousing or industrial is the township open to that or are you guys
stri you know you like to see well well that'll have to go in front of his zoning right so you'd have to kind of prove your point why why it's a benefit for um some sort of waiver plus or minus positive negative covered with Z
yeah it's in if it's Z it's in the zone then then it's not an issue it's it's when you're specifically allow doesn't it would be a zoning board issue obviously yeah I don't think the citizens like anything
to be honest with you yeah because i' I've lived here my whole life my family's been here 100 years uh I've not seen a project come before them that they've been receptive to have you no no that doesn't mean they don't happen you know it depends on the mood of the
township committee and the zoning board and the planning board and so on and so forth and the law yeah you know regardless of how what you think if the law says this is what can go there then the you know you can't just say no because you don't want to see any progress you
have to go along with what what it what it is so yeah I I've seen projects that have been you know not looked favorably by the town get passed and I've seen you know I've seen them not get passed fasio had a project years ago um that you know
was in litigation and so on and so forth and he eventually won the litigation but chose not to do the project after he won the litigation and that's a piece of property that's owned on um 40 in the Malaga section near 55 that big you know that big lot by
then that Big Lot 50 has access to 55 that would be great for a warehouse yeah well there's streets there because it was supposed to be yeah so there that's a there's a long story about about those streets and so on paper streets yeah there's an argument whether they have value or don't have
value you know so that's that's that's a project that um where they talk about putting warehousing there yeah I mean realistically my own personal feelings aside you know there's going to be a large public opposition to anything you do there's going to be an especially
large public opposition to warehousing right now that's not specific to Franklin Township I mean you guys you're in the business so you know what's happening you know all over with that so that's why I was bringing up marit of farms because that's it's an industrial part so that
makes sense for something to go there you know I mean the positive about your property here is you don't have any adjacent residential uses right which is which is obviously beneficial if you have Route 40 issue I see with this well the issue I see with this is the traffic issue you know right access egress
access in and out Self Storage well there's a storage what's this project over here what's go they've been trying to get that off the ground for years that's right there but mean that got passed I I don't think there's an issue with Self Storage I don't think
there's as much an issue with Self Storage as there is with um it's the word warehouse warehouse yeah the the warehouse connotation is Big self self storage I think there's more I there's more it seems like there's a lot of them going up yeah
right the issue with the warehouses are especially you know the the Fulfillment houses people are concerned about the truck traffic and and so if it's an owner operated operator Warehouse that you don't have that much traffic in and out the Fulfillment houses is what
really causes the Uproar from the public so and and just because we have up I mean we're not worried about any uproar it's just because if if the project meets all the laws and all the the zoning then there's really nothing in you know these folks can do they can
just you know they can say they don't like it but it doesn't really go anywhere [Music] no well it is it is kind of fulfillment because you're storing it for somebody else I mean you're if you're the you're not you know the owner of the building is not necessarily providing storage for
their C their customers are other companies delivering their product there's truck traffic and I think that's people get nervous with truck traffic there's trucks in and out all day long you know delivering stuff picking stuff up so on and so forth and I think again I I don't I I sat on Township
committee about 25 years ago and I can't I can't even comment on how these people think in this town anymore but you know do the township try to bring like larger gas lines to the area like would you know it seems like only one or two L gas
lwn at least down this downar our plot of land I mean it seems like a good intersection potentially for a larger gas fuel station that any incentives to
bring those this area well you're talking about you're not talking about South JY gas you're talking about F gas station trucks they uh the wa and frankco just open you know they uh they they just
added gas to that and probably in the last two years or so and the uh Main Road intersection the the market that's there used to be a l used to be a got out of it there there's another gas station at 40 and PCH town that just opened whichin a
truck stop so you know the the need the need is there uh you know that was the people's complaint there's a group of people that will always oppose it IR regardless of what it is and actually quite honestly they they
lose credibility because if you're going to oppose everything then what do you want type of thing and and that's my that's my personal mind you get different people have Different Different Strokes different folks you get the people that come out that who don't want to see fossil fuels right you know can't use fossil fuels anymore they don't tell you what you can use right
but you can't use fossil fuels so you get generator to charge a car a battery of cars but doesn't mean it doesn't make sense because we have like like Joe said there's wwas all over the place um not a truck stopped there was a truck stop years ago that was proposed up in Clayton I don't even know what yeah that
that but the the new one just opened at 40 in porchtown there's a truck stop right there um if you're going to if you want to pursue the Colt storage the the one thing I would strongly recommend is you talk to RLS because they're the guys
that you know that they're in that business um you could talk you could talk to them um Russell is the is the contact person there Russell Leo um if you're thinking about doing something like that because maybe there's something there you know maybe there's something that you could work out with
him I I don't know um I haven't talked to Russell in a while but I would you know if you're looking to go down that road he's he's done it he's gone through the process he's gone through the approvals he knows you know the ins and outs he he could probably give you more you know more input than any of us can
CU that's his business um as far as uh why why he's having a senior moment and and forgot what he was going to say I do you know off the top head the building height uh well LM allows for uh
buildings up to 50 ft and for you know institutional stage building the better sort of veral integration through the systems um so we would try and I think it's 60 yeah 60 the only reason I asked that is it's in close
proximity within a half mile or so to the downtown airport and even though uh the height is allowed in the master plan you would have the FAA uh restrictions on height now you you're probably far enough away I think they're
far but I would be cautious or I would make sure that I wasn't because they they have a tier uh height restrictions away from the airport so we we need to be careful to make sure that you know even though you can build it at whatever
50 35 50 60 uh you you may have FAA restrictions I doubt it because of the distance but it's something we want to you want to look into yeah Joe that I I just ran down that section of me the other day it's it's it's almost a mile
from a mile from tuo to Bluebell okay and then so it's probably another mile of that to yeah so you're probably far enough out in a wind sock yeah yeah exactly yeah I mean I know there was
also just giving you a little historic background of the area um there are some stormw issues out there uh I don't know if you guys have done any soil borings yet on the site I don't know and that particular site you know what you're going to be dealing with but you know there's some there's some Wetlands you
know within that proximity I know that if you look directly across the street there's a large you know makeshift bacing um they're actually at one time I think uh the prior owner that you purchased from had dug some sort of large Basin up in the front of this
property where where you're you're proposing your parking lot and then at some point it got filled back in I don't know you know what that was all about um but uh but that you know I like I said I don't know if you've gotten that far yet but um something you want want to
consider When developing your plans so now you said you're licens in New Jersey but I see that you have fingers title block on there you the fer represent or oh okay I got you so oh
okay oh so he's going to do the site and stuff where [Music] gotta yeah yeah so BR knows the township very well they were they were Town Engineers for years when I sat on the committee they were our Township
Engineers so what's the back parking lot for Warehouse employees versus the front for office is that what you're doing there just we thought okay what I'm looking at is the
the to use the back parking lot I'm passing all that tractor trailer traffic on the loading docks coming out that there that that that would be trailer storage in the back right store back is yeah this back here trailer stor these are all every one of these
yeah I see it now the lines long I got it now yeah just out of curiosity like you know the comment was made earlier about the the driveway access um and I'm certainly not you know trying to redesign your plan any stretch of the imagination but is there a particular
reason you laid it out like this is a topography um lend of this type of design or would you be able to essentially just flip the whole building over and and and put the the dock area you know more adjacent to the other Lake manufacturing district and keep the back
of the building up against the highway commercial we uh yeah we had an original environmental report done on the site and it over you know design it this is just what he came up with came up with so you
know this is our first first it gotcha um I was just curious I just didn't know if it was yeah reason I know I think there was like said that isolated a couple of on the side maybe something to play with
it that way easier for the Bas and the these basins are they um are there enough of them to capture what you will you know what you will be covering over yeah yeah one thing he he doesn't show on the plan is your whatever you're done
for you know sewage disposal obviously with warehousing you're your employee count is probably not going to be huge so it'll probably be di Minimus but um yeah yeah yeah exactly can can I um what law firm are you with Edward oh it's so and and how you
sp your last name out Paul okay your dad wasn't at Paul was it at the account work for counting firm no no okay name was Ed too yeah yeah he was a accounting he was in the
accounting department up at or Paul Buckley Paul Buckley we we the fire district used him for years as the accountant is and you know it's a Str name Ed Paul yeah he passed away about two years ago passed away yeah yeah he was not was not well
not well yeah I would um probably recommend you tomorrow morning get a copy of that Master Plan re examination report because I don't remember unless do or Joe specifically I don't I don't know if
it's I don't think it's I I don't think it's on the website yet because it hasn't been approved I would ask the administrator for it yeah yeah um I went through the 201 right yeah no this was literally done at the end of
2024 yeah we just finished it and that's what I'm saying it's in limbo the planning board's done made recommendations and the township committee is working on it now and it has to go to ordinance before it becomes in effect so we are working we're still working under the 17 uh until they pass
the ordinances yeah and I don't remember the specific recommendations but like one of them I remember setbacks from schools yeah so that would clearly have an impact on your project depending what that was and I don't want to quote that right now no they all and it depended on
the facility size too different square footage yeah so yeah I would I would ask you to to look at that and if there's any negative impact yeah you know follow your application sooner rather than later if that's what you're looking to
do yeah because I I I know that um you know there were um some projects that folks came into the planning board with and um you know we would we were talking we would talk through their plans and we would also say at that time but we're making changes to the to the master plan
or making recommendations for changes to the master plan and you know their attorneys were very and they were right they were saying well you know what what's what the law is right now is what we're operating under correct and if we get our approval before you adopt these changes then we get to live by those
rules is there any uh programs in place like TA incen or Brant or anything that would beneficial something like that user help attract somebody well we we've look we've looked
at abatements in the past again we don't approve those but that's something that could be applied for um and then that will go through the process as well the the the governing body is has the final um approval on on those type of things
um so if that was something that you were requesting you formally request it and then we go through the process of of evaluating it in to in totality with the project so we have we have recommended abatements in the past um most of the
time when we recommend abatement it's approved I think one time it was not correct if I recall correctly um so yeah there's that but other than there's not grants that I'm aware of I don't know if gentlemen are aware of any grants but there's no grants I'm aware of just the abatements and that and we developed
that industrial um area down in there the Farms there was there's a pilot program there which is a payment of taxes that that was a Redevelopment project Redevelopment we we was it was identified as a Redevelopment Zone we had to go through the process of
identifying it and we did and there's there paperwork that's you know yay thick there was an old chicken plant there uh that the they went out of business and electrican they shut the electric off and the next thing you know there was a stream going down 40 when
the freezer's defrosted and all the stuff in the freezer that became a gigantic environmental issue and it took us years and years and years to uh took us funding to took us about 25 years to get all because we had to foreclose on the property and then we had the the
state came after us because the EPA was involved the D was involved and they all wanted to get paid for their services so once we foreclosed and we had negotiate with the state and blah blah blah make a long story short we got it knocked the buildings down and redeveloped it and
it's now um sitting there waiting for you know the proper suitors I know a lot of sounds like old war stories when my colleague refers to the one of patment that didn't happen the individual had to hearing at 7:00 that evening at 3:00 that same
afternoon he would applied for the permits to build the building how can you tell me you need a bait to build a project when you already went in and got the uh permits at 3:00 legally we couldn't do it but and you sit there and say you pulled the permits at 3:00 and
now you're telling us that you need a bait to build a building uh it's like couldn't you wait till Tom more yeah we have an ordinance in place I would say that if you are interested in the tax batement program then you study that ordinance prior to doing anything yeah yeah don't go the permit
two hours 3 hours before the meeting and sorry and the way that abatement works it's a fiveyear phase in you know it's an abatement on the on the building itself the improvements um yeah so it's yeah yeah exactly it's a 20 40 60 80 uh so year five you're paying full boat on
the on the building so um it's not not to be confused with our pilot program which is like a 30-year payment Li taxes it's totally different two different things two different things yeah two different things but it's beneficial you know your startup cost you're getting
leas upu any questions for us that we didn't touch [Music] on are we looking I'm sorry are we looking at track yeah every every one of us either are a business owner or uh
uh are currently a business owner and we understand that uh you know the the tax do generated from the business side offsets the taxes to the residents so am I in faor of uh commercial
development absolutely uh we all are I mean that's why we're here except for the guy on the end who got terminated from who got enforced retirement and he's not a federal worker either we we all we all are pro business there's no question about it what we try to do
though is be realistic so you know what you're getting into you know you know we don't want to we don't want to have you go down this Rosy Road thinking everything is fine and you come in here and there's 500 people against your project because that will happen that doesn't mean that we still don't push things through but that's it's not going
to be a Rosy road to do a warehouse of any kind uh and that's the case throughout South Jersey right now I mean you pick up any paper and you see that happening but that doesn't mean we're not in favor of stuff sure we um we try to steer people in the in the right direction um you know and usually um we
talk to people before they purchased property uh you guys have already purchased it so you already kind of have an asset that you're trying to develop um if we would talked to you before that we have tried to steare you I would have tried to push it towards SM of farms because it's better for you it'd be better for us it' be better for
everybody um but that being the case you know you have what you have and we'll try to deal with what you what you're dealing with if thrown a few things out on the table if you want to do cold storage I recommend you talk to Leo and you get the ordinances and stuff that that Jason recommended if you're looking
at doing just plain storage that's a whole another issue we can look at that um Fuel Depot or whatever you want to call it um we could look at that as well that' be something you guys have to look at economically I guess with the
storage yeah saturation in the area and stuff so yeah I don't know what's held this project up over here uh yeah I think it was sold a couple times right yeah it was sold once I don't know I think it's a money laundering scheme at this point because there's no way any
any credible person could that project out been there for like eight years yeah they've been working on it and every time I ride by I'm like what are these guys doing if you saw the quality work you place if you want have you guys done like research on how many cold storage
facilities there are there are in this you know maybe 25 mile radius or or so cuz there's an awful lot that went up in vinand recently yeah and are they all leased out most of the ones in um we have designed okay and they're mostly
expansions M um you know they are new build but a lot of them are you know boxing box expansions for existing users down there owners robers um there aren't many new ground up verly integr
facilities in this area I mean I think the closest new one would be the L one all 22 um most the ones bu older on I've designed it
quite we do we do pre yeah I guess a Jimmy's point I mean you guys are in business so you'd have more of a a pulse on this Market but like us being Outsiders we see the ever development of these warehouses and maybe these cold storage facilities I
mean it's a stupid thing for me to say this but you know obviously you guys or the experts um you wouldn't be here in front of us if you didn't believe that realistically you could you could lease up this property I mean um is that an accurate statement I mean I would F
expert but expert well yeah yeah well you know I mean more so than we are yeah I mean that's that's and we and that's the New Classic right they're
55 6 tall integrated CH systems um you you get a lot more efficiency en and to your question response um a lot of
[Music] con yeah I mean that's my question as Jason said you know we're not in the business so we don't know um whether or not these areir these facilities are all leased up I mean it's you it's just what what point do you reach such complete saturation where you
you're going to sit with a half empty building and that's not what anybody wants well like you guys said you're you're you're going to take this to construction phase and stop until you actually have a tenant you're not going to build this building on spec right so I mean the last thing we would want to see from a Township
perspective is a big vacant building yeah you know obviously we wouldn't want that for you guys either um financially so, probably right and would would you look to do it to phase it or you would do it one shot no it's one shot
right well that's why I recommend if you're going to serious if you're serious about Cold Storage I would talk to Leo yeah because M where's the last couple projects you did like this um we
down in in um to no no just in general conversation you've done several yeah we've done several so um we we're on like I said we're on the preast side and we're also on the building side so um C Storage has
been mostly down in Island um we've done a lot of store down in the middle of CIA we're working on um like C are on right Road Four buildings out there where where right the road I don't know
195 oh I but did you say Windslow Township though uh I guess there um we're uh we're doing one building down Del Drive close to to the water
um the logistics I'm sorry I could he LS Bridge did you guys do that Starbella one in V or no that wasn't you I think we did okay D just finished who's the big
Operator by the wal Woodman bridge on the P Philadelphia side there's another one out on the other side of bridge lineage is on the 3.2 side um the competitors and both of those
fa [Music] load we do a lot of yeah Mar they're pretty they're pretty big lineage is pretty big too far right the build to solar on top of that uh all the driv for building to be
do I think State mandated down New Jersey anyway um but the the freezer buildings I because they're so tall um there's a lot of equipment out there we don't normally see it yeah that's true yeah question I
think those mandates are changing ex yeah I do remember one one of the comments on the master plan uh reexamination was providing uh you know electrical connections back like where you have your your trailer storage you know for
um yeah so you're not running Reaper units back there stuff like that you know I mean but that might be mandated Anyway by the state um did not have them or two have no two have them you know in place so you're not parking a bunch of you know Reaper trailers back there that are running all day all night long you
know off off the off the diesel um yeah you know to have electrical connections so you could plug those units in uh when they're sitting there in storage and like I said there was definitely a bunch of different recommendations on this Warehouse situation so um I don't want to yeah yeah
y exactly yeah I mean looks like an exciting project what's your timeline I mean you guys good feeling right right right well like you know they said I'm
sorry no no I do that's why I asked you we've done several of them but the ones you named we haven't done any of those we did a gigantic one up on uh four buildings up
on uh 295 and uh yeah exit past the 38 rancco or up in that area there's four gigantic ones up there we just finished up and and another one running in Princeton right now but uh personal uh I own a company that does fire uh
commercial Firearms so uh your protective wire in the uh racking systems that pre-action for the SP systems that that's one of my big customers is uh old White Wave which is now de um uh not that Deon the almond
milk uh in birton there's a big facility there but uh anyway we uh yeah I think that you know as you guys proceed forward I mean not that you're not already going to have this information but it'd be nice to to see what type of tax revenues you're
projecting from something like this what type of employment um things like that would go a long way you know when you're trying to fish a project you know I mean so to go against some of the some of the detractors you know I mean the tra the projected traffic flows you know where where you're expecting your traffic to
come from what routes they'll be taking I mean maybe to uh kind of dispel if somebody comes up and says you know you're going to have trucks run nothing down my residential streets and stuff you know so you have a lot of school buses there you know twice a day you have all the school buses there you have
Shore traffic in the summer there's a lot of you know traffic concerns in sh yeah and then to the extent that you need any sort of variance you have to go in front of any boards those are the things those positives the things you need to point out offset the negatives yeah because that's what they're going
to that's how these approvals are granted you know you got to prove that what you're bringing to the table off the negative yeah offsets the negatives as Jason mentioned earlier I I just recalled in the uh Minister plan
review that hasn't been approved yet the uh warehousing warehousing traffic is restricted from residential streets now really it's not appable here you're right on 40 but uh there's a restriction on uh vehicle traffic on Township roads
obviously we're trying to protect the the residential roads from getting torn up push it out to the state highway in the county highways I me roads County yeah that's say it's not really going to affect them okay yeah actually I mean the more we're
talking here and and I was not in favor of this um as a member of the committee but I believe there was some sort of recommendations put in there about size of facility as it relates to distance from The Interchange of Route 55 and
Route 40 right um and other words certain size facilities would only be permitted within a certain distance of that um that interchange which I'm thinking here and again you need to do your own due diligence but that something like this fall into that
prohibited category based on it distance from that that intersection um so again I think it's really important that you get that uh and I'm not saying those those recommendations are going to be adopted by the township committee but those are the recommendations that the the master plan committee put forth and
were adopted by the planning board um I can't I can't answer that I mean we've at the planning board we we've submitted that report to the township committee um so that that's that's up to them I mean attorney can advise you on that process a little bit more but um I
mean they're under no obligation to um to uh to adopt anything that we recommend or in any time frame I mean they are required under State Statute to you know reexamine the master plan every 10 years I think we're actually beyond that at this point so but that you know
I don't want to tell you they're not going to adopt it they are going to adopt it they might do it next week it might be a year from you know I can't answer that say yeah I mean you know again your attal advisor there's you know the time of application R like you get an application and you're you're you're
covered under what the current current ordinance is but so so if there's anything you find hey this is really going to negatively impact this then maybe that might give you you know you might want to move up your timelines make whatever decisions you need to financially at least get the
ball in right right that way you can you know maybe get grandfather okay anything else guys have some homework I guess right yeah yeah I guess if you have any further questions that come up while you're going through your due diligence
I guess run them through Candice and Matt and then they'll let us know if we can you'll be any further assistance then okay I off I'll that's fine I'm I'm not going to be here tomorrow either so that's you said
Leo you have introduction you can make potentially in the future yeah let me do this let me reach out to Russ and let them know that we had this meeting tonight and then uh leave your contact information with Candice and if you know
if he's interested he'll I'll check see if he wants to talk to I'm sure you probably will but then I'll try to hook you guys up if you have if you have a card or whatever uh card nobody uses cards anymore on electronic whatever you use I
have Candace has my no business cards anymore uh this is my 95 um card if everybody wants it but that's yourself yeah it's myself okay I'll tell him to uh reach out to
this okay who you working with fringer okay yeah well Chuck us yeah Steve we like Steve nelli yeah it's Chuck and Steve one of them just got I think Steve just got back right did I'm not sure he's got yeah just went under right
after Christmas oh really deal with ch yeah they're both good guys good firm yep they know us yeah excellent media media Pi so we got any other business even Mr
mon Mr chairman not that I'm aware of the big guy not that I'm aware of you're the big guy I'm a big guy big guy new name I was not terminated I know I know I couldn't get
the word out right got a buy got buy out just like yeah we um who has the business card right there so what else is going on around town Economic Development BL we got
um kid got his approvals put the gym up there and um he did yeah you were there right what Jimmy talking about um I don't even know what you're talking about what's the name of that side the bunker the bunker they building a new facility on Del Drive the gym on in
Clayton side they're going to build a facility on dely drive right before doy property that little there used to be a restaurant there one time burned down I guess right across from the stor oh so okay that so he's in they're in bu so he's going to be building that
that used to be like an Irish bar yes he's building he's building a gym there building a gym there that's that's Franklin right yeah he's coming to Franklin Township who is it it's um what's his name
uhia it's a relative to syia but his last name is uh I forget his last name d his name dur no it's there did you see that did you see him he would no I fell
asleep so other than that trying to think what other uh what else we got yeah what other uh Economic Development we have oh sorry I don't trust him it's actually still
R you want to journ and go to cab I got I can't go to cab side cuz I have to finish packing I have to leave first thing in the morning I make a motion wej all right we're Jed take that card e