Good evening. I'd like to call this meeting to order, please. >> Everyone, please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I >> pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Notice of this meeting has been given as required by the open public meetings act in the annual notice of meetings. A copy was posted on the township website and notice of this meeting was sent to the
Sentinel and South Jersey Times and a copy is posted at the Franklin Township Municipal Building. Mr. Katano, Mr. Leo, Mr. Ketchum >> here. >> Mr. Gafalo >> here.
>> Mr. Desarie here. >> Mr. Hamill >> here. >> Mr. Terrasa >> here. >> Mr. Glacius >> here. >> Mr. Gravener. >> Okay. At this time, I'd like to ask for nominations of the zoning board chairman. >> I make a motion for John.
>> I second it. >> Any other nominations? >> Move to be closed. No. >> Hearing none and seeing none. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. I'd like to open nominations for vice
chairman. >> I nominate Richard. >> Second it. Any other nominations? >> Closing. >> Hearing none. Seeing none, I'd like to close. All in favor? >> I.
>> Mr. Glaciius. Thank you. Okay. Put up nominations for solicitor. I make a motion. Michael Braley. >> Second it. >> First and second voice. Uh I
>> got it. >> Okay. Nomination for board secretary. I nominate Christine. I'll second it. All in favor? >> I
Okay. Nomination for engineer and planning service. >> I nominated Schaefer Nasser Jri. >> Have a second on that. Second house. Okay. Anybody else nomination? Anybody else? No, I don't see any. Um, okay.
Voice >> Okay. Uh, nomination for the depository which is >> I nominate Newfield Bank. >> Newfield Bank. >> Second it. >> Any other nominations for that? No. Closed.
>> Okay. Vote. >> Okay. We have to vote on our calendar meeting and shall we keep them as they were last year? >> I make that uh are we going to skip for August? >> We're going to do it the same way, but we can always change it so we can
>> I do have July listed on >> July. Whatever. >> July. It's July. Till August. >> Okay. So, last year last year July, we didn't have a meeting and right now it's on the schedule. We can either leave it on there and then if you wanted to cancel, we could
not >> Why don't we just cancel it now? >> I make a motion to accept the meeting and stand with elimination of July. >> I'll second that motion. >> Okay, >> let's vote on it. >> I I
>> Okay. Uh approve the official newspaper to advertise. >> I make a motion. Sentinel County. Yeah, we got the South Jersey time to Sentinel >> and the South Jersey time. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Any other ideas on that?
>> No. Let's vote. >> I Okay. Uh, can we approve the minutes from the last meeting? I make a motion we approve. >> Second it.
>> Okay. Uh, voice vote on that. I I no communications. Hey, Mr. Just a note, Mr. Kitano's here. >> Okay, we've gotten that taken care of. Uh, should I go to the first application?
We should seek the opposition to having been seen all in the operator. >> I'm not Mr. Hamilton trash. >> Huh? >> Yes. Said I'm not sitting for John. Thanks. >> You don't have to take over his duties. Just just for the
>> Well, we'll need someone for >> We got Carl for >> Okay. Carl and Mr. Ham. >> We're good. >> Good. John, I mean, we're good. >> What was your name again? >> Yeah. Yes, we are.
>> Listen, it's catching up. Okay. The first application, I presume. >> Yes. >> Okay. We have Anthony board. My name is represent district 71017.
>> Are you going to elicit testimony? Is this your client here? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can we swear him in now? Absolutely. Raise your right hand. Promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. What are you going to tell us? >> Yes, sir. >> You give your full name and address and address.
>> Anthony, >> you got it. >> Okay, we're good. >> Okie dokie. >> RIP essentially um I'm Mr. Luciano. Where do you currently revive? 1796.
Okay. That is the subject property of Yes. And approximately 28. And what do you what do you do on that property? We also again we live there and we also reside there. We also have of course
and um aside from the residential structure, what else is on the property currently? There is a 36. Um and so how do you
application intends to uh change the use of that barrect partially? Okay. Could you explain exactly that on the one side of the blind we have three stalls with a lean to an 8 foot lean tube. What
we'd like to do is enclose a lean to making that a hallway. It's 18 by 3T hallway and then add off of that lean to 8 ft to put panels for our own >> under the under the lean tube
>> under right next to it. So we're going to close the lean tube and right adjacent right add onto that lean tube another 8 ft. >> But that'll be open to to the weather. They're going to be it's going to also be included. >> Okay, that's all the building will be enclosed.
>> Okay, at this point um the only change on the footprint of the building will be the additional 8 ft um by 8x 48 section. Um now that 8x 48 section u what will
that place currently surrounding the barn we have about 25 ft stone gravel on each side probably about 50 ft stone gravel across the back and 120 ft across the front.
That proposed new addition would sit on 8 of that gravel. So it wouldn't hang properly. So nothing will be disturbing except the the stone the 8 foot of the stone has
um again no enclosure and expansion of the existing barn every time with that housing we have sharing um and how many dogs you have currently
four And how many dogs would this barn area? They do 12 indoor into a town. >> So total of 12 including the four. >> Total of 12. Correct.
>> Your plan though for the future is actually bigger than 12. That's correct. That is the 12 would accommodate your potential extension on your own personal. Yes. Um, and it's my understanding your application would it is intended to accommodate up to $50. Is
that if they ever Okay. Um, and the 50 number, how did you arrive at that? That is something that the finance commission asked me to come up with the number and that was the number we gave them and we submitted this application and that's
the number we gave them and they approved. Yes. um for your personal use. Um would you require any additional assistance? So it would be you and your wife.
>> Um if you ever did expand, would you um um So for the time being there would be no commercial venture if this existed person that's true but your application does include a potential boarding
component. Absolutely. And if that were true, what what would you be asking for use? Um boarding others to animals for over just question.
>> I do. What What are you looking for now? 50 dogs or 12 dogs? We'd like to start out to build 12 kennels off the side of our bar. >> So you'd be satisfied with approval 12 kennels tonight. >> Correct.
>> Would you be able to put $50 in the same space as the county? >> Absolutely not. Additional to further your question, we would like to grow down the road. Sure. >> But we're not sure where this currently
right now this is for our dogs. Funding is being out of our pocket. So that's a good time to put a few. That's what we're going to build with. Right now I have four dogs. 12 is just a number I came up with because four by four spaces * 48 is 12 *
12 * 4 is 48. That's the size of our building. That's the length of our building. That's that's why it's 12. >> Well, I'm not going to worry about the future because that's in the future. But that's not before us. before us is you're 12 right now. >> So may I ask answer that?
>> Pardon? >> If I hit my name, may I answer that? >> Sure. >> It took me three years just to look at history. So that's why I like to try to cover as much as I can. >> Well, the only thing in these planets reference is the additional construction. >> Yeah, you'd have to come back.
>> So that's correct. I have a couple questions to clarify. Um, in reading the application, starting with the Pineeland, um, it was clear that it's a 1,000 square foot commercial building and yeah, addition to your
barn, um, and I think throughout the paperwork, it's been pretty clear it's a commercial addition to your property result. So, I understand your thoughts about your intentions. So, whatever the board approves tonight, for some reason
you were wrong next year, you know, that's that's what's there. So, um we need to be careful about and precise about what they what they approve. So we're not we're looking at 12 kennels
or kennel for potential 12 dogs meaning outside people as well that would be the dog there potentially. Correct. Um, so I think that board has to be clear. That's a use variance for that. But, you know, we can't be talking about 50. You have to be talking about
12 and whatever encompasses that kind of um commercial activity because that's really what it's been labeled as. And if it was just for his own dog, maybe not. >> That's correct. That's why he made very clear. If it was just for
my own dogs, I wouldn't have to look for this. But we do have future plans and hope that what we do with our dogs were very successful as far as maintaining that. People call us all the time. Yeah. When
you take our dog, we know we don't offer that. So people know those dogs will be in good hands with us. Would you want to do that somewhere down the road? Yeah. It's just a small possibility for clarification sake. We currently
have Seven spots per horses in the legs. Six. Okay. And they wouldn't make for the horses. All right. So the 12 would be in
the completion of the overhead and the feet addition and that would just be in that. That's correct. Are those your horses or something? >> Can I ask a question please? So you said something about a,000 square
foot addition, >> but you also said it was 8 ft by 48 ft, correct? >> Which is 3 84 ft if I So where's the,000 coming from? >> Well, that's a good question. When we started this years back with the
Highlands, they again wanted to remember want to know where this is from. We were originally, we have a cement pad on the back of our barns, which is in the over uh area. We were originally going to put a 50x 20 building back there that would
give us 1,000 square ft and enclos aesthetically coming up with going to the um to the builder and engineer said better just up the side here. less cost effective in advance. So that's why we
need but we were approved from the >> right but we we need to differentiate from what piland's approved and what your application is for here this evening. >> So so if I'm clear it's 12 kennels. It's 384
square foot addition to the build. Um the area that you're enclosing that same area 8x48 ft that's leaned to now >> is that becoming kennel use becoming a hall.
>> It's becoming a hall. So the kennel is really the the new 8x48. >> Okay. for clarification. Describe this whole >> No, I I just wanted it on the record. I I do understand what you're saying.
You got the purpose of what's the purpose of the set? Well, when we first started this venture again with the pilings, we had health department and they said in order to be a commercial, you would need sage, you
would need a wash area, and you would need a quarantine. So, the quarantine room, they said we could use our existing t room and just put a outdoor fan going there out. That was a place for that. We had a slop sink
out there. That was a place for the wash area. So septic or something for the record that is the septic installation of the septic is really the only area in the current yard that would
be disturbed aside from the gravel like this stone area stone. This septic is the only disturbed by that red ground. So the application tonight is for the 12 kennels. Would any of those 12 kennels be part of
a commercial operation? >> Potentially. Sure. Yes. >> Yes. >> Is that what you're asking for this evening? >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we have an application here before us for a conditional use for a
kennel. Kennels are a permitted conditional use in the zone, but they need board approval. Also, there's a Dvariance associated with this for more than one principal use on a parcel, meaning the house, the agriculture, the horse,
private dog, and the commercial kennel. So, the use variance there is what is what is being requested this evening, that commercial kennel. Now, a question for you with the commercial kennel that we're talking about boarding other people's dogs. Do you also offer other
services to other people related to dogs? Do you do grooming? Do you do other things like that? >> Yes. >> Uh grooming. >> All right. So that that's what we're trying and what what is the request this evening? So if you get approval for a
kennel and then you start doing grooming without it being approved this evening, you're technically in violation. So I'm trying to get >> we need to know exactly what you're >> trying to get from you what what you're asking for now. Then grooming as well. Yes. Okay. >> 12 panels with groom.
>> 12 panels with grooming. >> Adult training or anything like that? Absolutely not. I can't train profession. >> Okay. So, so we've heard what the what that part of the application is. Um the ex the expansion of the building is 8x
48 ft for a total of 384 square ft of dog kennel which is mixed personal and commercial use. Um I had a couple of questions. Um >> well you got your your uh report. I don't know if you want to do it.
>> I I am looking in here to see what hasn't been covered. >> Okay. Um, so I'm down at paragraph number five, hours of operations, employees, stuff like that. So you said there would be no other employees other than yourself. That's correct. >> For this commercial commercial component
and when would visitors come to this be sporadically. It wouldn't be any. So if you could give us some testimony if this is a if some of those stalls are commercial >> hours >> hours operate would be Monday through Saturday 9:00 a.m. to 14
>> for Okay. And anticipating number of visitors. >> How how how would that work? I >> again you got a couple of kennels but I need to ask the question. >> Let's say worst case scenario. Now we're
careful, okay? You're asking for a waiver of sight plan. Basically, you're asking for what's there to stay there, right? So, if you're telling us you're going to have multiple amounts of people coming to the site, then maybe we need to
address site plan issues. You know, where's the where's the paid parking? Where's the street lights? Where's the things like that? So the question is how for these six or eight kennels that you would possibly be commercial how often would
you expect visitors to do >> including the grooming if you're grooming every day then you're going to have >> we're trying to get a flavor for the for the intensity of the use. >> Well first of all we'll be by normally we'll just
>> Okay. Um, so we're not allowed that. We're uh I'm retired law enforcement. I don't want people I just The reason we moved here and bought that property is I don't want people coming. You can't do my drive, but I don't want you.
Um, I've had so with me in my line of coffee here, they come and go. I can fill up those podcasts very easily. I have $2,
but for sake of argument, I mean six different clubs. So, >> right. But then the the question the question is when can we expect to see visitors come? And you already answered part of that. This is by >> by appointment
>> by appointment only. So generally there would be no more than one visitor there at a time. >> Absolutely. So that that's what I'm I'm trying to get to. So we the board can then decide intensity and what can be written into the approval or that's
correct since I'm the only one that's going to do that allow people in and out of that. >> Agreed. >> It's just one person. >> Potential customer would just be there to drop their dog off and then in say a couple days or a week pick the dog up. Correct.
>> Absolutely. And are you requesting any signage as part of this application advertising for this kennel? >> No. >> Okay. So, that's kind of what we're up against. We're kind of up against a very small commercial use by equipment only.
couple of kennels, maybe some grooming, um waiver of sight plan because we would have no more than one visitor at a time and no employees. So, it's a conditional use the kennel in the zone. So, we need a vote for that
and a use variance for the multiple uses on the site. I'm going to try to make sure you're covered for tonight. Um, so if you do do grooming, is it possible you might have one other individual other than yourself there or would you be managing and grooming?
>> Okay. When I say grooming, I'm talking the shaving and the nails and the whole groom. That's thing. I understand you're not you're you're not trying to open like a Luciano suds and scrub to have just people come in and get a quick 15
minutes wash. You might wash your dog at your house. >> Correct. But that that is room. >> I think you're trying to cover a lot of bas >> I'm picturing like a mobile van with a big tub and you got the haird dryer going and you take bring everybody in
off the street. But the reality you're washing a dog in here. There's a penalt there. >> Understood. I just want to make sure we we were all crystal clear on this. So, the pilance requires that your lot 68.01,
which I guess is a part of this application, um, to be deed restricted or septic dilution or something. >> So, a consideration would be to have those lots consolidated. >> The lots have been consolidated.
Excellent. to go to. >> Okay. >> And we already have South Jersey engineers out there. >> Perfect. >> So, I think that's what we're up against. Mike, >> there covers it. I had a lot of
questions, too, but you've answered questions. Anybody here have any more questions? >> I'll motion it up. >> I make a motion we open to the public. >> Second it. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Anybody from the public want to be
heard? >> Gentlemen, you got to give way. >> Uhuh. Raise your hand. I got to swear your butt in. >> Okay. >> You swear to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. So help you God. >> I do. Thank you.
>> Ralph Travaloney, 802 Washington Road. I have a question for the two professionals. Listening to the application, it seems it wasn't as clear. Mr. Shy tried to narrow it down to a nice alley where it was clear. But
on the peanut gallery, sounds like this gentleman lives in property and it's a home occupation. Therefore, the bar is lower because he lives there. Is that not correct? I don't he didn't ask to be a home
occupation. So I don't think we're considering that, >> right? But we're here tonight with what we have and I think the same attorney may want to go in that direction. >> Well, the the overriding thing I think is is the use variance for multiple uses on site. >> That's still
>> Yeah. So whether it's a conditional use approval or a home occupation, I think I I think that I don't know that it really matters this evening, but I I understand. And I went in that direction on my left. >> Okay. Thank you all.
>> Anybody else for the public want to be heard? Just want to tell the truth of the truth. >> Yes. >> Okay. Your name and address, please. >> N Curran. Is anyone?
>> Okay. Um, I'm just curious, um, about what's already going on on the property because on Google Maps it says there's a very active grooming uh, operation
and then the link to the website is about dog food. And so if you're seeking a variance for doing those things, but you're already doing them, I'm just confused. I don't know how that works.
It's an article. It's a good question. I'm a web designer also. I created a website in hopes that someday Google ads. So what you're looking at
or anything like that we get calls for everything >> but who's my mother's one there's truth and advertising. >> That website's been as a matter of fact and the most is
what we do. Um my vlogs. You're saying you're not doing grooming for other people, but other people are leaving reviews for your grooming. And >> I'm going to assume based on his
reputation that people know him and they like him and they're just putting stuff out there. That's correct. It wouldn't be the first time. By the way, >> I'll have to when I start my business, I'll have to take some pointers from you. >> Thank you.
>> Yeah, question. >> Anybody else want to be heard? >> I make a motion we close the public portion. >> Second it. >> All in favor? I I make a motion we approve the variance for 12 kennels
for what's it uh commercial commercial use >> the limitations that were discussed with our >> yeah with the limitation >> regarding how limited >> by appointment only hours whatever they
were 8 to 5 or whatever. That's kind of >> now this was the use. >> Well, this there's motions for everything, >> right? Everything. So, we don't need two separate ones. >> No, I don't believe so. >> No. No. Okay. >> I think Andy here actually put it
perfectly, but it is. I think it should be very specific that you're proving the conditional use of with the same conditions you had mentioned and the multiple use. I'll make both motions. >> Just again for clarity.
>> Agreed. >> Are we good, Mike? >> Yes. With the conditions that we're discussing, you don't have to recite. We're okay. >> Yeah. We're only It's not the thousand square foot. It's the 384 >> and that's got to be part of it. Well,
that's what the application is. >> Yeah. So >> that's a competition. >> The application asks for a,000, >> but it's we're right 384 down to 384. >> So we're granting 384. >> So it be modified
to be modified. >> No, we just resolution. >> Okay. >> 380 square foot. >> Okay. Anybody want to second this? >> I'll second the motion. >> Okay. All in favor? We have a roll call.
>> Mr. Gano, >> yes. >> Mr. Ketchum, >> yes. >> Mr. Garo, >> yes. >> Mr. Dazzy, >> yes. >> Mr. Hley, >> yes to 12 dogs. >> Mr. Carrasa, >> yes. >> Mr. Leia, >> yes.
A lot of potential trying to work down. We have to give the oath of office to anybody. You ready? You ready? >> Okay. You ready? Okay, our next application.
Uh, let's see. What the hell? Where's my number? Okay. ZB2506 Copart I'm going to bring the whole team out so they can swear them in. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I have to swear in and then when
they get done, please our secretary know who they are. >> Yeah. Um my name is Daniel Mar. I am an attorney with the local Greenberg. They're in 1810 chap. I am the attorney for coart which is the
applicant regarding block 21102 lot 13 here in Franklin Township. I will introduce the other members of the team. Uh thank David from uh Copart is here. He'll be going over uh basically what's
going on here. Uh we've got Dave Fleming from Marathon Engineering with uh plenty of easel will give you the real nuts and bolts uh of the project. Uh Brian Shropshire
is uh from here is going to be doing the uh uh traffic analysis and uh we've got all the lights on plan who will be building the positive and negative criteria. Uh we're asking for use variance on file or
public site approval uh with regard to uh the use which we will explain in a second. So uh how would you like to just one time? >> I I think that'd be the easiest way. We got we're missing we're missing somebody, aren't we?
>> Here we go. >> Okay. >> One more. >> You lost them. Call your planner. >> He quit. >> Maybe he got lost on the way. >> Okay, let let me go with what we got.
>> I don't think I got a sword question. >> Yeah. Okay. Raise your right hand. You swear to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. I hope you got it. >> Okay. From left to right, name and address, please. And when you when you go to testify, I will ask for your
credentials, passports and stuff like that. >> Uh, hey David and Dave here. Okay. Who's going to go first?
>> Um, Mr. Pag will go first and we were uh I was discussing with Mr. Burelli. Uh he indicated that what you're going to do here is look at the use variance first and then assuming that's granted then we'll go into the the issues we're at
site plan. So, we discussed whether or not we should do sort of abbreviated presentation uh just to that uh it's the feeling of uh the applicant that it's probably easier and uh more fluid to just do the whole presentation uh so
that we're not coming calling people back and forth. So, we're just going to go and give you the entire presentation. Uh and I'm going to ask Ed first to uh just go and uh explain to everybody. Now, when we do the uh we got ease off
here. I think in general when we do that, I want to make sure that public see what we're talking about. So, I think we're going to probably if it's okay, we'll set up the easel like over here. Maybe a little bit more difficult for some people to see, but at least they get at least everybody the public
come out to hear what's what's being said here. Uh so with that I will uh pretty much have more of our master ceremonies right now and leave it to Ed to discuss what's going on. >> I want to make one comment to you. Uh >> sure. >> At 11:00 we ain't going beyond 11:00.
>> Well I've been out here it's 2:00 in the morning sometimes. I got a crowd here and they're all going to be given the privilege to give comments. So it could be long. Just just to warn everybody ahead of time. >> Been through this before. So just before we start, Rich just to clarify what was
touched upon. So the applications for a use variance and preliminary and final site plan, >> but we're going to vote on those on the use variance first because instead of standards, it's a different um amount of votes. That needs five affirmative
votes. So if that were to be granted, then you move on to site plan preliminary and or final. the experience were not granted then you would not be moving on but they'll be done separately further. >> Thank you Morelli.
>> All right. Good evening folks. Uh again David with Copart I'm the regional operations manager here for you is New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Uh I'm from uh Herbert Pennsylvania. I just want to talk uh at some length about the description of the operation, what the
plans are uh for the property and how Americans to uh go forart works. So a lot of folks know what goart does. Those of you who don't, we're a salvage auto auction. We get 90 to 95% of our inventory, our business comes from
insurance companies. Uh based on their total loss accident, they total total loss. They generate a signage to park. Those cars are picked up in either the residence or body shop or tow facility, police station. Uh they're brought back to a
park facility. At that point, they're put through an inventory process. Um where we we receive the vehicles. We take a series of photos of these vehicles and then from there they're placed into a storage area in in one of our yards. At that point, there's a backhand title process that Goart
handles. You take your clean pedal, send it to the New Jersey DMV, get a salvage pedal back from the DMV. At that point, that vehicle becomes eligible for sale. Takes about four to 6 weeks on average from the time we get a car in New Jersey till the time it's ready for auction.
Kind of the time, the life cycle of the the Copart story. Once those vehicles are available for sale, it it's totally online. Uh, so people bid on the cars online and you need to register with Copart as a legitimate buyer to bid. So it's not Pennsylvania is open to
the public. New Jersey does not. So you need a license to a eligible member uh to bid on the car on cohort.com. Um, you you bid online. If you win the car, you pay online and then you can schedule your appointment to pick it up. Um, unique thing about the Franklin
location, we look at this as kind of like an overflow area, not not a direct dispatch facility. So basically the plan for this facility is when vehicles are are taken to one of the main operational yards and they get to a certain capacity where they get where we expected again.
Um I think a lot of us were probably during hurricane night and then kind of messed up that brought in the volumes that kind of that's kind of what we went looking for for those properties. So the intent of this property is to take vehicles that have already been received, have already been imaged and are already in storage at a coar
location and to transport those internally from one of our other facilities into this one here Franklin where they're just simply uh trucked in removed from those trucks and then put directly into storage once the final process has been completed and the vehicles are a warranty sale. Uh at that
point they can be scheduled for pickup. Uh it's not first come first serve when these vehicles are sold. We have a uh appointment schedule uh where buyers who are awarded vehicles can dispatch drivers based upon appointment schedule so we can have some type of control of how many parts are coming in and out of
our facilities. Again this this operation here is going to be on an as needed basis. Um our barns are consistent and we have plenty of capacity in our neighboring yard. This is something that we probably sit over when we need it. It's additional expense to use facility like this uh because
we're transporting parts from one location to another having the staff to spend additional equipment as well. But but it's a good thing to have. Um so once the vehicles are transported in, they're put directly into a storage area. That's that's where they're going to stay until they're sold. When the
transport rides to pick it up, they're taken from the storage area, loaded onto the truck, and then out they go. So that's the basic operational aspect of what the Franklin location should supply for us. Um I know there was concerns also about environmental aspects of
having salary vehicles on on your land and I can address that real quick. We have a uh we have a real spill response program. Uh we use a chemical called FM186. Basically anytime that there's any type of spill under grass or gravel or black or concrete rock um anytime the spill is
identified it's immediately treated with a solution called FM186 basically gives them to just neutralize the fluorocarbons in that spill rather the fire degraded we take another step in the state of New Jersey and all our facilities uh where we document these spills so we have a map or we have a log
so if we do have a spill that we need to treat uh we have an additional process where we track these things as If it's on a if it's on the surface work and seed is ground, the second step is there. We actually dig those out and move a special contain unit that we put those in and then we move uh at some
point to a hazmat program to make sure we do our best environment as well. The good thing about a facility like this is we're getting cars that have already been put through the seating process. Uh they've already been sitting in a shop for a week or so until we get them. So likelihood that we have very limited
skills, but we do get one. It's usually from a transport picking up a car. You know, there's hydraulic trailers and hydraulic beds and other things. Sometimes going straight hydraulic hose in the parking lot. We count those as our skills and we make sure we adjust those adequately to do our best.
Aside from frequency of use, again, it's it's this facility is really going to be dependent on our needs and when the volume hits. If we do get some storm activity, I know we had one, it was July 14th, 2025. We had some uh pretty good weather up in northern Jersey, some street flooding, which generated about
200 additional units of volume out of that activity. This would have been an opportunity to say maybe, okay, so when those start to be filled up, maybe we could transport a,000 or 2,000 cars in these facilities to create capacities for storage in those facilities as well as some additional operating room. We get that many cars in at one time. Uh
it's just we need a little bit more room to work in those locations. just to free up some space. This will be an example of putting hands off. Again, it's um we have to weigh the cost on this type of because we don't just want to turn this on because it is very expensive to
transport cars down here. Uh I off the top of my head I would think that if we do need to use it uh it would be cars that were sitting inventory for over 30 days at some of the other locations that we bring in and we probably bring in about 100 to 150 per day if we decide to
go ahead and activate a facility like um when they leave the facility we schedule those load out. We call them load out the car parts that are purchased and put on transport to leave the facility or about 50 to 100 cars per day depending on sales volume.
And that's the basic operation the side when it's not in use. We do our best to keep it clean. We keep it keep it organized. We keep grass cut weed rack. Uh as far as security, we would have uh not onsite security but cameras uh so we can make make sure the property is safe
at all times after lighting or needed cameras that will be monitored 24/7. uh in the event there's an emergency uh we're also notified right away that's kind of aside from uh having the need for it um I was suspected this thing will not get a lot of volume until
it has to and then it would be pretty quick but so that's the general operational scope of what we think that uh that this piece of piece of land for I can. Yeah, I I I think I did mention all of our all of our auctions are done online. Uh so this isn't old school.
This isn't, you know, where where we have auctioneers and people come in and they go on cars. Everything's online. Uh we do have a a process where people who are interested in buying car if they're a co-op art we come preview those cars. Uh we get very few people come to look at cars that that they may want to bid
on and buy. Uh but when we do uh we escort those people they come in we give us their identification. We walk them to the car they're looking at walk them back in and into our office there. We have some type of trailer on site if we ever had to put staff there as well. But
generally uh it it's it's completely online. Uh everything when transport arrives they have an app on their phone and they say okay I'm here to pick up these four cars. It's geoloccated. We can say they can arrive themselves at the facility. Make sure there's a loader operator in their tablet uh to identify
those cars where they're located, pick them up, bring them out to the transporter. They're secured and title paperwork. uh any type of uh identification, all that stuff is going to still be at the the yards where the vehicles originated from. Uh so again, this is just a transport facility where
vehicles are held for storage and those buyers and then the facility once the sale is complete. Is >> there going to be a fence around this property? >> Yes. Yeah. So the proposal I believe we have a proposal for an 8ft white panel fencing uh that's going to go around the property at 100 ft set back from
property line. These guys probably have a little bit more. >> All right, I just >> Anybody else questions? >> Just maximum amount of vehicles you would expect if this would hold >> with the property set back and the power
line the customer the property and I I've only walked on the property. It's hard to tell without really getting our hands on this thing. I would think the maximum number of cars we put in there if we have them is about 5,000 cars. >> 5,000 cars. Thank you.
>> Now the area shaded areas that is that the power lines there. >> I can walk through that light. >> Okay. >> A question for you. Sure. Um we talking about cars per day. We said uh when we had an active transport to overflow you
said maybe 100 cars. You extrapolate that a little further. and give you an idea about how many cars per week you in and out of this facility on average. >> Again, on average, it's hard because it's it's only when it goes active, right? So, if we don't have a need for it, it's going to be zero. >> Well, we can stretch the timeline on
average per month, on average per year. Trying to get an idea of how much traffic is going down a >> right. So, so, so get an accuracy for this thing. I'm thinking we probably bring in about 100 cars a day and we probably load out between 50 and 75 a day. five days, 20 hours a week
for a week, maybe two weeks, a whole month. How long would that active period stay active? Depending on how many parts we actually transport in uh and the sale volume, it was kind of go up and down. So, initially, if we moved a whole bunch of parts, we're going to have higher sales, which mean more activity on on the front end. As those sales kind of
decrease, we'll have lower activity. I had to average it out and say maybe 100 in, 100 out. Uh so 500 each each way per week. I'm I'm assuming that they're going to be like car haulers like 18wheeler type machinery.
>> So most of the incoming is going to be done with uh five car trailers that that come in. So we hooked up from one of our existing facilities, one of our co-art facilities. We'll take those we'll load those trailers but bring them down. They get unloaded by a crew of folks here and they wet and we use the four five car
trailers. Now when they come to get picked up uh it could be anything. It could be the U-Haul trailer, you know, that that the guy has to come get his car. could be a nine car uh any type of uh equipment that the fire would suggest.
>> What happens what happens on weekends? Do you operate on weekends, Saturday and Sunday? >> The only the only time you would is the state declares emergency and we get we get something. >> So you're you're not open Saturdays and Sundays generally Monday through Friday. Just generally 8 to 5
>> 8 to 5. I think we're good at this. All right, we'll keep it moving. >> I think your night guy came in, >> right? All right, let me introduce from Marathon uh engineers. He's going to
walk you through the uh entire site and what's being proposed. >> Just give us your bonus parties and uh Okay, I've been doing this a while since 1982. uh licensed in the state of New Jersey since 198
graduate from Drexel undergraduate international. >> You're good. >> Thank you. Okay. Um what I thought would be uh is take care of a couple uh orientation things for you. I know it's
difficult, roads are difficult. Um but you know the back simple but the the essentials of the property I want to walk you through um give you just a you know a little bit of a lay of land how the site operates. Um so um if you're looking forward that's typical but
there's a a a yellow area that represents the tax lot which happens to be block 122 block 78 and 68. And we discussed before, it's bisected by a PCG
rightaway unit that's 150 ft wide and um it's it eats up a good piece of right. So if you look at that property that that area in the middle where they show on that uh graphic is is just PSG.
Uh we've had uh conference calls with them. The concept plan does show some narrow lanes perpendicular to the east. It's to provide you access to both sides. Um access to the site. The site
is located uh just east of Delson Drive. It's off of Shay Drive, a public right away. If parks to improve, uh we would improve it most significantly. Uh I'm going to walk over to the
recording again close to see from the audience to see light colors. We'll see how I need to walk through that. There's a receding area. I'm going to give you a graphic in a minute just to show you the fenced in area where all the receding uh
and uh unloading goes. And then of course vehicles expedite again there's a a chassis seating area but I would like I would like to point out from the audience those um they're gray those are the storage areas. Each
of the storage areas is surrounded by um um access drives. Um, so there's full access around all the pods, if you will. These are like parking spots. Actually, none of these vehicles run on the site. They come here in Earth. They're not
like our junkyard that I grew up years ago using when I was being here too long ago. But long story short, um, as we say, the white the white areas are really perimeter access ways for, you
know, again, maneuvering of vehicles, vehicles locations. And they have a computerenerated system. They know exactly where they are in their system. These are just thrown there and stacked there. They're not stacked. They're single. They're in designated locations.
They can be identified in their system. uh and Copart operates you know all over the United States and international from obvious so the other areas you'll see like the Kqua we have obviously storm water management compensates with you know state regulation so there's quite a bit
of uh infiltration storage and all I want to point out those three areas now I'm going to walk over uh the second graphic is a blow up of the receiving area again You'll see this dark shade
ride uh which uh um is uh extends through the existing curve cut. It extends off Nelson Drive the public right away partially improved. It extends back to the parcel. The gray area represents the paving and then you
look at that graphic light green is the way it is now. you know, whatever the condition it's in, some woods, some some fields, uh, some some wetland areas there. Um, and, uh, on that graphic, most of that stuff parallel to Shade
Drive is also the PSG right away access. So that front parcel, our parcel, people, they're impacted by PC right away. as you come in at off the highway coming east that um with a 19 space
parking area with a receiving yard which is fenced. There's a um an office trail. It's 10x40 cuz the question on the site. Um and also it's very difficult to see because it's very small. There's a 10
by10 on the page parking lot uh pad for a a potential fuel pack. Not shown in that graphic would be a well and things of that nature which we'll talk about later when we get into the details and review letter our discussions with the
fire marshall and providing a well and be able to service his uh his uh water tank trucks to be able to service the site. Again to the general public, there is no there is no access to the back. It was discussed about fencing. The
entrance service yard which is in dark gray that is fenced. Uh and that's where people come in when they have their vehicle. They want to get to that area to have a vehicle. um exiting that area into the yard body was discussed is
almost entirely cold park people uh with their with their you know maneuvering other vehicles as needed. Um they are very unique. Again I I grew up in a time that South Jersey we had every town had their junk drive and I used my part but this is not that and I've done several
of their sites and been to several of their sites. It's operating again all of all of our car insurance companies utilize code car. if they tow your vehicle it's going. Um, so long story
short from the standpoint of of the operations concrete, you know, it's it's off the highway. It's just the access road improved brought to the site that was inside the fenced area and then once it's received a large area received
based upon the buying that's not a big buy. Um, I'm not going to go through, you know, again, we're in uh the zoning district. I'm not going to go through all the variances and uses right now public commerce site. Uh, we already talked about the access. I just want to
make sure we covered up uh the fence areas, all the all the storage areas, uh, the vehicle storage areas that that whole uh the uh access road, the bases, those herit entire areas are fenced. the
the fencing is not at the exterior property line. It's it's offset from the property. Again, I think it's at least on the 100 ft. If you look at look at this graphic 100 ft off the perimeter before you run to the the fencing and and we don't have
we have wetland or something of course we want fence 100 ft off extend along our perimeter of our operation area. the operation order, the access drives, the storage areas, the storm water basins. They're all fenced that 8ft uh fence. We
can show that detail later on. I do want to point out, we always talked about storm water. We can get in more detail as necessary. um uh fencing the the only other thing I wanted to point out you know again um
questions do come up uh you know based upon this the designation under the DP rules and the SIC rules for this particular use it's not a it's not a high load again these things are generally inert when they come here
because they're not operating uh and they're not you know being driven in any fashion they're being removed. Um, so uh it's a uh I just wanted to point that out. You would again comply with PP
regulations. Uh this will require it has an active uh LOI letter of interpretation for wetlands. We will have a flood has an individual permit. The DP in addition to the township's review of storm work, they will review
the storm water as part of that that individual IP. and and so again the wetlands almost have to finally be waiting like everybody else in the state of future for our wetland delineation but you know we're patient um and so uh
but all I just want to point out we you know again I've been operating in Jersey for more than 40 years I'm an expert on DOT we adise every eye cross every day and of course I know this this town and this board
that as well. I think that's it. I don't have any question. Would you explain why the access is going to be shared? >> Yeah, discussion is not public right away. However, the wetlands through it
and it's impacted also by also by the uh PSVG right away. It's not practical or even possible for us to use that right away. Um, you know, given given the curb cut, um, you know, our friends in New York City are also coming to deal with
and I know the fact that we already have a driveway. I'm not sure they would even own the driveway, but that's I don't think we need to do it given those two facts already. >> So, I have I have a question. So, you said the the vehicles are they're nonoperational nonoperation. >> So, I'm gathering you're going to need
heavy machinery to move these around like So, >> yes. You know, I'm just trying to put myself in perspective here. >> What like is this is this like an all day operation where these are going to be running machines, moving cars, you know?
>> I I think I might add about that. >> Yeah. So So when this is you come to the >> Yeah. So if this property would go into use, we would run we would run pretty next week at 5 Monday through Friday. Uh I think we would probably go with five or six machines. Uh we use front end
loaders. Uh you see most of them you see have a big bucket on the front. So we'll have a bucket there for guard maintenance. But we place that with a with a set of forks. They're 15 and 1/2 ft long. And basically we approach the vehicle from the front the front of the vehicle. We'll slide our forks underneath it pick it up and that's how they're put. Yeah. So we would move we
would move those cars once they're take them off the trailer when they're delivered in and then we would locate those cars and put those spots in the grids when they're they're sold when they're and that's where they stag. So when they're be loaded out we do the same process we pick it up with them
bring them back out. But yeah we use we use cat wheel loaders and I think we probably need five or six um if we're in full operation time. And I just wanted to reiterate the perimeter is a minimum 100 foot in this particular site. We already have an
existing river site not going to disturb the woods we get 100 ft minimally. Other areas of course are impacted by wetlands and you know the setbacks are much greater but at minimum we want to study that plan to dimension 100 foot wooded
barrier between the property line and in the beginning of the extra and all the storage area the ling roads are you know they that's the limit of that. So, um, some of those have spaces, but again, activity outside is all inside that
fence area that's reset with minimum 100 ft off the property line. >> Now, what does that property consist of now? >> It's it's wood by woods. >> A lot of woods. >> Yeah.
about I think 35 or 36. I'm not have to check the plans. If you look at that plan, uh about half of that 70 70 we have 76 I think we're disturbing uh we're disturbing 36 of them 78 acres
portion of that would be the rightway that's maintained by PSG and terra fashion they decide to do that again on the perimeter would be the woods that would remain. >> Are there trees on there right away? uh some but I I I you know you have to
expect I mean some vegetation I wouldn't be able to characterize it you know sitting here but if you look study that you put up you know Google Earth you can actually start seeing some of those but they I mean they have over time it's
somewhat clear that it's an operational question anybody else have any questions here. >> Let me let me ask you a question about the cars that come in here. The cars when the cars come in, they're they're going to be safe, right? What about the
electric cars? >> What are you going to do with the batteries before they come down? So, we have a pro we have a process through all of our facilities, right? This isn't the this isn't the only part, right? We have we have a spot for for the Tesla, the Cybert trucks, things like that that be
complete electronics. Uh the hybrid is not so much but anything that could be it's a separate storage space and there's certain criteria. >> So they're segregated you're saying >> they're segregated right and they have certain uh space between each one of those just in case there was ever issue. >> But you'd be bringing them in here too.
>> Sure. Anybody else? and your basins are are big enough to carry the 40,000 gallons of runoff of the uh these I don't have to tell you
um saying is it's no longer as complicated as rocket science. The new saying is it's no longer as complicated as New Jersey storm water management regulations. the the basins uh meet all the modern criteria they take in the future storms they're building will
exist will probably never occur but we will satisfy all the criteria and they will be more than large enough to handle the storm events and and uh again it's very conservative design based on current design requirements in New Jersey so again I've been doing those
calculations since the early 80s and none of those basics >> I'm not really concerned about the storm water Yeah, >> I'm concerned about the runoff from the batteries. >> Yeah. Well, again, they're segregated. I can't talk about exactly how, but yes,
you know, if you're looking for way smaller amounts will work, it's not going to be running into the streams out of the basins. Even if the um um infiltration required stole
a lot. >> Yeah. So, so basically in our process, um, particularly in New Jersey, we transfer these cars, um, when they're taken from the operating yard, um, that's that's sent to the destination yard, they're they're they're checked
before they go on a truck. If their data leaks, they're addressed and they're not brought. Um, so once then they're in transport and something could happen right between Somerville, New Jersey, where we are now. Um, so when they arrive here, um, they're also checked again. If there's any spills, we're
notified immediately. if there's any leakage and it could be anything le could be oil gas or hydraulic fluid, battery leak, anything like that. So if we notice any type of spill, we have we have a spill response that that we very diligent about taking care of this. So
again, they're they're checked from the original yard and they're checked again before they're taken off the truck here when they come. We want to make sure we're doing the right thing. I don't know if that helps answer your question, but it's that's kind of the process. If you touch one of the people said earlier, we have approximately five
cap wheel loaders there to move the vehicles. Uh they're about 50 gallon fuel capacity. So if you run one for 8 hours, you need to fill up probably 3/4 or all that tank. I thought I heard you mention about a fuel tank or fuel pump
on site. I don't see it on camp in you. There's a small area designated for a pad site for ground camp sites on bus terminals, school tool bus terminals, everybody has them. They are satisfied, you know, satisfy the state
regulations other vehicles. In general, what we use is the double wall 500gallon fuel. Uh and then depending on how much these things burn about 2 and 12 gallons per hour >> with with the work of fuel work.
>> Okay. >> Um so our goal is 2.5 depending on who's driving. Sometimes it goes at three but we're not flying with these things and they're govern for certain speeds. We try and do operation. Uh so yeah. So depending on how much fuel we're burning, that's how how frequently we're
film off at the end of every shift. Just >> Yeah, I just didn't see it on the plates. Thank you. >> And and just so I can wrap my head around the the the disturbance of the the trees and wood. You're talking
almost half you said of the footprint of the of the entire >> I have the traffic this one has the arrow areas. So yeah, there's no anything
that's inside of the uh operational area log. That's that's getting stone. >> Yes, stone. >> How thick is that stone? >> I I think it's 10 in. You We have
different discussions. Again, I'm happy to check. I think we're good with your >> Okay, I'll let us I'll ask to come up any situation. >> I'm Brian Trop with Associate
Transportation Firm. I've been working in Jersey board since beginning of last year and I' literally boards in South Jersey across the state. Um we also sat on professional town.
>> Okay. >> Um so our our firm was contacted to do a tra study for this park facility. We've also done other clip art across the state. Um we use traffic count data along Dela Drive from the Del Valley
Regional Planning Commission that had ATPR counts uh in extending the site to use that data from the RPC. Uh we grew that data based on NJOT background appropriate to projected buildout here at this facility uh to get the future
conditions on. Um after we establish that condition of the no build where the future traffic generation traffic uh volumes are, we uh do croo generation analysis based on
counts at other park facilities in the drain. council three uh trip generation council three different park facilities in New Jersey to establish um the most conservative estimate for uh trip generation based on existing operations of other park facilities in New Jersey
and based on our counts from those three facilities the most conservative uh generation is 21 trips during the AMP hour which is from 7 to 9 anywhere in there 21 trips um and then the PM is 30 trips uh put that in a simple which is
about one trip every 3 minutes in the AMP tower, one trip every 2 minutes in PMP tower. Um, we then distribute those trips based on the existing distribution along Delta Drive. Uh, and we ran those numbers and put them into a modeling
software called Synchro for this capacity analysis. Uh in the build condition, the well of service at the intersection of Shay and Delta Drive will operate for level service B during the uh AMP hour, level of service C
during the PMP peak hour. All movements along Delta Drive and see highway turning level service A during those peak hours. Um the trip increase uh during the AM peak hour commission would be roughly 3% if you look at that
facility. That would also be 3% of the PM based on existing volume the route depends what we're putting into the system. Um based on our experience and but with a minimal increase of traffic uh level service C or better is an acceptable level of service. Uh and the
EF criteria that nothing can be below level service B level service means you're at maximum waiting 45 seconds uh to make your turn move at home through the state highway. Um the
access on SHA uh meets generally accepted uh traffic engineering standards uh for safe and efficient access to the facility. Um and from the traffic perspective uh the proposed use will not impair the events or purposes.
So you're saying a vehicle pulling out at peak time will take probably 25 seconds to turn on in drive >> the level service C is between 25 sorry uh 15 seconds and 25 seconds. So it
could be 15 seconds up to 25 seconds. That's the criteria to sleep. Um in the morning speed maximum 15 seconds 10 15 seconds 10 seconds. So any state highway on the
property would be less than 10 seconds between 10 and 25 seconds. >> I'm going to be presumptive but u I'm assuming they're going to try to keep them from making left turns. Well, the my assumption and based on the be
um so taking right turns out, left turns in which makes things easier for traffic, >> right? Anybody have any questions? >> We're good here. Okay, this is the guy.
>> Planner Paul is here and he needs to be sworn in. So, >> mister, I got to swear at you >> right here. Right here. To tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I hope you got it. >> I do.
>> Your name and last name G L E I T Z the team less planning professional planner in the state of New Jersey. I'm a licensed professional planner. I'm a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners and I have a master in uh city and regional
planning from the Boston School of Ruckers University. I've been practicing for more than 20 years. I've testified before dozens of boards across the state. I haven't appeared before you, but I have appeared before Monroe in Washington here. >> Okay. Thank you. I think you're good.
>> Let it rip. >> Okay. So, um I'm here to address the um use variants and and some of the other u both variances as may be necessary for the approval here. Um I think you're all pretty familiar with the project, what
we're doing here, the site family, the engineer and um the copar operations kind of describe what we're doing and how it's all going to work here. Um you have an understanding of what improvements are going on, a minimal amount of improvements compared to other kind of uses here. Um,
we have over 78 acres here off Belie Drive. Um, it's an interesting lot in the sense that it has frontage on Shay. Is it is it Shay Drive? >> Shay Avenue. >> Shay Avenue. Okay. I've seen Lane Drive and Avenue. So, Shay Avenue. The frontage is on Shay Avenue. It's kind of
on both sides. Um, but it kind of also acts as almost like an isolated lot in some ways where it's kind of really cut behind the other lots around it. So it has this kind of unique access to from they'll see. It doesn't really front directly on um they'll see it. Um
>> Del and we're also in the residential RA zone. Um so we're in the RA zone. It has a number of purposes primarily to um and your master plan focuses a lot on this. Oh by the way I've reviewed your master plan documents, your land development ordinances. I've been by the site,
familiarize myself with all the application with materials as well in doing my analysis. Um, you really focus on agriculture um preservation of agriculture. Um and the design of this zone is to have some residential
development options to help maximize conservation of either a soils or forest or wetlands to protect your groundwater supply being that your municipality is primarily um accepted as well. So there but there's one interesting you have many purposes of the RA zone. One
purpose um that I think this application does um forward is the last um purpose J under the zone to conserve the municipality's rural character to minimize perceived density by minimizing views of new development from existing
roads. So, I think the fact that we have this property that's set back off Deli and it has this kind of narrow access point kind of meets that intent that if you're driving down the main road, you're not going to notice this behind there. You're going to have there's some buffering. There's uses in front of it
and of course you have the uh the fencing and the landscape buffer around the site. Um the permitted uses in the zone are single family detached dwellings, open space land, and a few non-residential uses such as agriculture including
wholesale nurseries, woodland preserves and wildlife sanctuaries, a number of public uses and municipal uses and privately owned outdoor recreation areas such as crossmies, golf courses and driving ranges. Um, under accessory
uses, you allow for home offices and and small professional offices, um, private garages and signs. You also allow parking lots as one of the accessory uses in the zone. And then you have a number of conditional uses of the zone such as houses of worship, cemeteries,
hospitals, mass transit stations for rail and bus, conolescent homes, and fraternal organization clubs and lodges. So even though it is an RA zone and it has a residential character in it, um
you do allow a large number of non-residential uses as well within the zone. Existing use right now is primarily vacant with this large um utility rightway through through the center of it. And so then that's the
second really distinctive uh aspect about this this property here is this huge utility rightway that kind of goes right through the center of it. Um and that rightway doesn't allow any development whatsoever. It has to be maintained clear essentially clear of
any vegetation that can you know interfere with the operation of of the utility transfer. Um, and so it kind of bicts the site and then you have this these riparian areas around it. So it's kind of a a difficult site to to to
develop for some more traditional um uses that are permitted in the zone. Um so what we're propo the proposed use is a wholesale motor vehicle distribution facility. It's a salvage pool or auto auction whose primary business is the
sale of total loss vehicles on behalf of insurance companies. And so I think it's important to understand that's what we're talking about. It's a very specific kind of use. You've heard from the co-part representative how these this you know these vehicles are brought
on site, they're kept on site and they're removed from the site and they're not processed at all. There's no processing um of these vehicles on the site. um customers can't access the vehicles. Um there's a very particular scheduling system, very particular
pickup and drop off system. All these types of things that kind of separate that from other kind of uses that may look like this but aren't quite this type of use. Um so we have surrounding uses to the north, we have a trucking company, a flower farm, we have some a
fields and forest to the east. you have forest and little leaves run and the repairarian areas around little leaves run. To the south you have some single family homes and a lands and um some forest to the west there's additional single family homes forest the
continuation of the power lines and the Franklinville environmental center and you you know you just have this mix of residential commercial uses along 47 and then to the south you have you know Franklinville, Franklin Lake and everything else. So the approvals that
we're here for tonight is preliminary final site plan approval a E1 use variance which is for this wholesale vehicle distribution salvage pool um there was two variances listed in the review memo
one for impervious coverage um uh the proposed impervious coverage is 34.6% 6% and uh the uh memo listed uh uh 15%. Um but I could not find that 15% in your ordinance. So both people discussed that a little bit. And then additionally
there was the the fence height. The review memo um pointed out a maximum height of six. You want to have an 8ft fence, solid fence. Um and in the in the ordinance it lists residential fences going between 4 to 6 ft and livestock
fences up to 8 ft. Um and there's also a design waiver requested for current cycle along um shap. So um in preparing for tonight, I reviewed your 2024 master plan re-exam. Um and you have a number
of assumptions and goals and objectives that are in that master plan to that really define what your land use policies are for for the township. Under goal one, which is to protect the rural character and quality of life of Franklin Township, you have a couple objectives, including to encourage
growth and development in clusters rather than sprawling development and in those areas near existing infrastructure in order to minimize act impacts of um or loss of open space, farmland, and forested land. You also want to promote development that respects the community
character, require substantial landscape buffering, minimize visual noise impacts um of non-residential development on residential uses and discourage excessive lighting for light pollution. Assumption two um is about the uh state, county, and regional levels working
together on language policy. Assumption three is about continuing to make Franklin County a an attractive place to live. Assumption four is about transportation infrastructure. The goal number four is to provide safe and efficient transportation network to provide access and connectivity to the
greater region while respect the township's desire to protect open space development to appropriate locations. I think that's a key point of this is that we are on this state route and we have what I think is an appropriate location for this use. Um and I'll talk about
that tomorrow. Um, assumption five is about the townships continuing to seek to diversify and expand its economy. And your goal number five is to provide opportunities for business development, employment, and non-residential growth while respecting the town's agricultural
heritage and desire to maintain rural character. We have some further objectives under this assumption. You want to encourage economic development in industrial growth in those areas of township that would have minimal impact on residential communities. are encouraged to develop it on lands that
are no longer environ economically productive. And I think that's an important note when you look at this property. This property because of the access point and because of this huge utility runway down the middle of it um is difficult to develop with other types
of uses, especially residential uses. Um so I think this is um an interesting use that can bring this property into economic productivity. Assumption six is about um protecting your uh your water supply um surface and groundwater
resources um and objective A is to enforce environmental policies or regulations and activity that could um contribute to degradation contamination of groundwater supplies and take a testimony from um Copart operations and the engineer of all the steps that that
are taken by Copart and their operations to prevent any kind of impacts. on groundwater um from the site. Um assumption seven talks about wind and solar power. Um and those are your your main goals and objectives within for your your your
land use plan and your master plan. Uh you also have an economic development commission that's called out in the report and it just I think the the purpose of that um commission is interesting in that it it looks to identify the vacant land on the township the purpose of determining the utility
for business or industrial development and I think this is a property and kind of fits that bill here. Um and uh you know the commission has expressed goal providing business and industry for the township and then you have a number of ordinance recommendations and there are
a number of more ordinance recommendations for the RA zone. Now this property itself is not called out but this property has some similar attributes to some of the properties that are called out in that to move these properties out of the RA zone and
into your adjacent business zones. Um, so there's, you know, pockets of properties that are frontage on either 47 or 40, um, that are zoned RA. You should consider zoning some of those in order to have universal commercial zoning along the highway frontages. And
so this is one of these properties that doesn't have direct frontage, but it's, you know, its main access point is from um, Deli from uh, Chey. So the the main focus tonight is on the
D1 use variance and as a zoning board you're pretty familiar. I'll just very quickly review that. Um we have to demonstrate special reasons for granting um this use variance. Um so for uses that are not specifically inherently beneficial under exceed the standard the
applicant must show either undue hardship or provide uh that the or prove that the use can promote general welfare um which means the purposes of zoning and that the site is particularly suitable for this use and additionally we have to under Medici pro have an
enhanced quality of proof that discusses why this use isn't already permitted in the zone or why it's not expressly permitted. um on this property and so my analysis will move forward there. So we also have to address the negative. So that's the positive criteria you're
familiar with. Then we have our negative criteria another part of our test where we have to look on will that have any impact on the surrounding area, the surrounding land uses or will it have any impact on your master plan or zone plan. Substantial negative impact is the key
phrase there. there may be some impacts but the board hasn't determined that there's no substantial detrimental impacts um under the amendment criteria. So I would posit to the board that um this proposed use on this site um uh
does promote the general welfare using a number of purposes of the visible landing law. I think the first purpose is purpose G of the MUL which um to provide sufficient space in appropriate locations for commercial purpose to meet
the needs of New Jersey citizens subject to applicable environmental requirements. So, this proposal provides a use needed by New Jersey citizens, drivers, auto body shops, um, insurance companies, rental companies, charities,
all of these users, and anyone in this off in this building here, anyone on the board who has had an accident and your insurance company says it's total, um, your car was part of this process. Um, and so we there's a need to store and
resell salvage title vehicles. The site's location on a regional highway, commercial corridors is an appropriate location for this use that entails delivering pickup or salvage title vehicles, bike trailers, carriers. We heard the testimony of both the traffic
um expert and the operation expert of how that process works and how little impact this proposed use will have on um traffic flow on Route 47. It also provides regional access for most of southwest New Jersey providing access to
Route 55, Route 40, kind of throughout 222. All these areas can be accessed all these roads can come in and get to the site easily from this point um at this location here. Additionally, we do have NJP NJP reporting requirements. Um and
this this development like any other development is subject to any other NJP regulations. Um the second purpose would be um J and that would be the conservation of historic sites districts, open space, energy resources and viable natural
resources to prevent urban sprawl and the degradation of the environment through improper use. And I I I bring this purpose up uh a little counterintuitively in that we have this underdeveloped property that's bisected
by this high tension, you know, transmission lines and surrounded by riparian areas. Um and so the improvements are limited to these paving surface areas, stone surface, storm water basins. We have our trailer, our
fencing, our gates and signage. Um and this so this development of the site is kind of a lower impact use than you may have for other permit uses. Um and so uh they're difficult or impossible to develop on the property um because this
is a proper use for that land. Um purpose um M is to encourage the coordination of the various public and private private uh procedures and activities shaping land development the view of lessening the cost of such development into the more efficient use
of land and again the existing utility lines on the rightway kind of limit the utility of the property. Um and so the this you know the use can be accommodated this type use can be accommodated with just a few access drives through that rightway whereas
other um uses might not be able to develop this or would have a much smaller footprint. So this is an efficient way at this uh to bring utility to this piece of property and uh purpose O is um I think right on point is the maximum practical recovery and
recycling of recyclable materials from municipal solid waste to um complement municipal recycling programs. And so as this proposed use includes short-term stories of sale of establish side of vehicles from accidents and natural
disasters. And while some of the vehicles are in working order that are either donated or retired rental fleets, most of them are inoperable and sold as is. This secondary market for the salvage title vehicles removes these vehicles from the waist street. It allows to give these vehicles a second
life. You know there's recycle, reduce, reuse. This is that reused part of that triangle. Um, and so there it's it gives these vehicles life before they're committed to salvage yards where they're
taken apart for the component parts with metal, glass, batteries, and fluids. And so, um, I just have some background data to share with you to, you know, for the scope of the need. Um if you look at DOT crash data for the state of New Jersey
for the past 10 10 12 years um the average number of crashes throughout the state of 251,582. Um we had a low point 2020 was 191,000 and a high point of nearly 280,000 in
2018 but the average is about 250,000 of vehicle crashes. um um throughout the state. Additionally, um you know, in 2023, we saw 1,500 cars, over 1500 cars damaged by due to flooding in New
Jersey. Per capita, New Jersey saw the most cars flooded in the northeast region that year. Uh that works out to be 1.69 cars per thousand residents in New Jersey, and we were a higher rate than New York and Pennsylvania. Hurricane Ida in 2021 damaged over
25,000 vehicles in New Jersey and Hurricane Sandy has some reports of 16,000 new cars were damaged and flooded and had to be brought through the selfish process. So there is a need there's a statewide need for this type
of use for this market. Um, and I think my recitation of your some of your purposes and objectives of your land use plan also highlight that we meet some of the purposes of your own zoning. I talked about um, you know, the uh,
preserving and uh, buffering this use from adjacent residential uses. We talked about um, goal four, goal five, goal, goal six and the purposes of the econ economic development commission. So all of those I think contribute to the
idea that this type of use can promote both the statewide definition of purposes of zoning in your own local definition of purposes of zone. Um another um aspect of the uh D1 variance groups
are the site suitability and so I think the fact that we have direct access to the regional highway commercial corridor to the appropriate location for this drop off and delivery and pick up of these salvage vehicles. I said we talked about the regional access
that um this location can provide. And we have this. And again, this is particularly suited because we have this giant rightway right through the middle of this property. Um, which would no one wants to live in a house underneath this. I don't know if you want to go to church under this. I don't know if you
want to shoot golf balls under this. Um, so the fact that we can park cars under this while they're waiting to be sold at auction is a good use of this property that has this, you know, huge utility railways going right down the middle of it. Um
so I think that's my analysis under the positive criteria in terms of purposes of zoning suitability and under the negative criteria in terms of the public good um you know we do promote general welfare um where the property is screened by
fencing and landscape buffers you know the bulk of the property surrounded by woods and repairing buffer areas the driveway entrance set back um on Shay Drive or Shay Avenue And that uh uh you know they're all all these vehic are effectively concealed or or buffered
from the public view. Um if you look you know 2/3 to 3/4 of the site is surround by forest and we do have neighbors we do have some adjacent property owners um pretty much on the western side of the site but again they benefit from the the landscape buffers and and and the
fencing. Um, Copart's operations are not subject to high levels of regulation, but nonetheless, Copart has strict protocols to ensure DP compliance. The project has minimal traffic impact that you heard from the traffic study. Um, there's no noise, dust, or glare.
There's no lighting out here um that's going to, you know, impact the neighbors. Um, and again, all the offsite, there really no off-site impacts. Um, we're pretty well bumped here on this site. And in terms of uh attrition to the zone plan, um it's not
inconsistent with your master plan. In fact, it promotes some of your purposes of your master plan. Um Copart's operations are sufficiently sufficiently buffered and will not at this location be inconsistent or otherwise interfere with otherwise permitted or conditionally permitted
uses elsewhere within the zoning district. Um, you know, the the Copart's proposed use of the property would maintain the existing character because you're not going to be able to really see it um from any from most of the area. Um, it's relatively open in nature. There's not a big building.
There's not a huge warehouse, none of that kind of stuff there. It's gravel. Most of it's paving and gravel and and a trailer. So, if Copart decides to no longer use the site, um, it's pretty much wide open for additional, you know, redevelopment and and reuse down the
road. Um and again the proposal is substantially compliant with the development standards for a similar use. If you notice on the front page of the plan set we talked about the uh Baltimore sales and service facilities. That's not what this is. We just wanted to illustrate that for a use that's kind
of similar and the zoning standards you develop for that similar kind of use. Um we conform to pretty much all those requirements. Um it's also compliant for offering compliant for parking supply. Um, and so now I have to do this
reconciliation, you know, of this use of the Medici standard. And I think again, Ronnie with the master plan to advance the master plan. Um, and again, I look through your ordinance, co-art's business operations do not fall under the meaning of automotive wrecking,
junkyard, or used car sales. Those are the three definitions in your landing use ordinance that even come close to what we're talking here and none of them really apply to what's proposed on this site. Um and again uh and especially as the fin
you know this distinguishing feature of code park business in contrast to jump auto racking is that there's a regular turnover of inventory. vehicles are not stored long-term for either peace legal sale nor they dismantle it on site for the component parts. Um and the place of
business is not its final destination for these vehicles. So this does not operate like the junkyard you think about either where you go picking or where they strip everything down and ship everything off in CP. So that's not what happens here. Um
again, uh we also look to the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Code. Cars business fits squarely within the exception under the vehicle code as a salvage pool or auto auction whose primary business is sell to lost vehicles on behalf of insurance company. So this exception to the
definition of what a junkyard is and the regulations of junkyards under under the motor vehicle code represents a public policy in state New Jersey that these salvage pool type operations are not motor vehicle junkyards as the term is
understood. So um I also went through and the master plan documents I didn't see any mention about prohibiting this type of use or analysis of this type of use. It's not prohibited, you know, expressly prohibited throughout the zoning code. It's probably just, you know, a use that not really don't think
about unless you're part of this process. Um, so again, I think you can reconcile the fact that it's not included because it's kind of an unusual use. Um, it doesn't fit squarely within the other types of uses you think of when you say the word, you know, auto
storage or those type of things. Um and then briefly under the bold variances, I think if in fact you find that you do require these two B variances um that they would they would meet the C2 test
the um flexible you know purpose of zoning C2 variants. I will not repeat it, but my analysis under the C2 is the exact same as the D1 in terms of purposes of zoning and negative impact and impact on the surrounding areas of
the zone code. Um, so again we the review memo talks about impervious coverage of 34.6 where 15% is permitted. I went backwards and forwards through the zoning code. I did not see that 15% limitation in the zone. You have four or
five different development options for residential development in the zone. You have conditional use standards for additional uses in this in this zone. None of them talked about. You have overall density. You have front yard setbacks, side setbacks, building height, those types of things. Nowhere
do you have impervious coverage that I could find. Um, and specifically not this 15% um, uh, limitation. And again, the proposed fence height of 8 ft, you know, there was a it was a little unclear to me in the region where you talked about
it as residential use. It's four to six feet depending on the front yard or the side yard or the rear yard. And the only other mention of that site is for livestock operations which allows you to go to 8 ft. Um, and again, because we're here for a use variance, there is some
case law that says you can kind of subsume these bulk variances into the use variance because your zoning code wasn't anticipating the kind of bulk standards you want to see with a salvage pool auto auction site. So, um, if you do find these bulk variances, um, all of
our analysis holds true from the use variance as it applies to bulk variances. Um, And again gives you uh the the the uh the type of impervious coverage we had is well maintained um by the stormwater
management. Um you know we're not going to the typical issues you have with impervious coverage. I don't think you're going to find here on this site in terms of storm water groundwater impacts or a perception of overdevelopment of the site. Um and the same thing with the fence. I think you
guys like a nice fence around the property both for security and for buffing purposes. So that concludes my correct I >> I have a question right here but I guess I don't know if you can answer it but uh so the Sha Avenue right there's there
seems to be that there is residential that would access Sha Avenue right to go out to Dela Drive there is housing there's h there's housing there that needs Sha Avenue to access Dela Drive >> like how's that been an impact study on
Sha Avenue to people going from minimal traffic to 10 15 trucks or whatever that was at >> I believe there's two on the south side there's two residential properties I believe on that I did not study that I don't know I don't think was included in
the um in the traffic report the traffic report pretty much I would have the traffic in here >> a question we we did study intersection J and um drive uh during the peak hours right now
there's not there's no traffic turning movements so we have we have zero trips in the existing for the future we overlay the the volumes on their service on the service DNC >> from delc into the >> okay >> any other questions
thank you >> oh you know what >> I was preparing That's what we've got. >> They don't really directly relate to to my testimony, but I think it'd be helpful for the board to understand some of this. Um, I can have this pass
around. Um, and the front of the sheet is just this site and four other co-art sites. >> Yeah. Just give me >> so you can see kind of give you a sense of what these look like in operation.
So this was prepared by me. Um the I don't know we have this A1 A1. So this would be A1. The front of A1 has uh five aerial photos. To the left
is the site um which you've also seen on some of the other um site plan documents as provided. Then on the right you have four existing co-cart sites around New Jersey. Glassboro East, Glassboro West,
Somerville, and Trenton. As you go down from the top to the bottom of those four sites, you can see the access roads. You can see the stacking. You can see how the um automobiles are are are stored and processed. And then on the reverse
there are eight photos taken by myself of 2023 when I visited the Tink facility. Um the first two photos on the upper the left that say building entrance and interior storage without appliances. This was a unique function
at Trenton. Um as you can see here for motorcycles and snowmobiles and other kind of antique cars and those kind of things. You put the rest of the photos at the top you see storage yard. You see that uh DGA spread out. You see the cars
parked on that in these rows. Um on the bottom row to the left, you see the pickup and drop off area. And you see some of these carriers on site picking up one or two cars at a time and the pickup and drop off area. You see the large um
front end loader, I guess, you know, the the large loader under intake and processing. So you can see um you know these cars are not driven. That is the machine and those are the forks up front. Um massive truck tires strapped to the front of them that helps the
operators pick up those vehicles and move them throughout the site to and from the storage areas. You can see on the third photo on the bottom moving a car on site. There's that loader right there with the SUV on the front porch driving through the site. And then the
final photo to the bottom right is um another shot of moving another red sedan and autos prepped for storage. You can see there's that blue clank they use to kind of wrap around fenders and windows and stuff to kind of um hold the loose bumpers on and keep rain out the
windows. And so that'll that's kind of a good snapshot of you know if you're thinking how does this translate of the operation process uh with that I think we'll close our testimony and uh
>> okay I think our engineer may have some you want to add anything to this Dave >> I I do chairman just just briefly. So, as I understand it, we're going to consider the D >> just the use >> the D1 use variance only. So, you're going to have to decide if this is an
appropriate use in our RA residential zone. We heard it. We heard the testimony. The RA zone is, you know, that's our residence and our agriculture zone, single family dwellings, open space, agriculture, woodlands, things along those lines, right? Um, safeguard
water supply, preserve, conserve and preserve environmentally sensitive areas. Um, retain existing vegetation, you know, um, protect areas of municipality with productive agricultural soils for continued future agricultural use. I'm
just touching on some of the things that are the purposes of the RA zone. you need to balance that with the testimony by the professionals and especially from our the planner um identifying that this site is particularly well suited for
this particular use um to store up to 5,000 salvage vehicles. So that's where you need to weigh those two and determine if that use variance that D1 use variance is being requested um if they meet that that criteria if they
meet that challenge. Um I think we'll talk about maximum impervious coverage and fence height once we move to the site plan perspective. Okay. Thank you. Uh anybody want to make a motion open to
the public? >> I make a motion we open to the public. >> Second it. >> Okay. Don't rush up all at one time. Mr. chair. Just a reminder for the public, we have a three minute a three minute limit.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We have a three minute uh >> three minute limit for the purpose of making sure everybody has a chance to speak. So let the board know. >> We'll need your need your name and address. >> John, 2749 Broadway for that. >> Okay. Swear to tell the truth on this.
>> Thank you. >> Uh sounds to me like this is a glorified junk. That's what it is. That's all it is. It's a glorified junk. I can't believe it. You're can't believe it. You're like, Justin, what's that going to do for our property value?
And and I got another question. How much property tax are you in that who >> just comments? >> We we can't answer we can't answer that and I don't think they can. >> How many would you like to respond?
>> Yeah. Property tax is assessed by the council from the municipality, >> right? which is actually a fairly substantial difference between what you are getting now, what you possibly can get from any other use of the property which
you indicated probably minimal and what you might have here. >> Well, I'd rather have some less tax. Uh, next question. How many employees have >> I think they're I don't know. We didn't get >> How many employees? So, so when the
property is is used for activation, probably five or six employees. >> So, all that lot you're only going to hire five times about five or six employees. >> Okay. Another question. Um I know I'm running out of time. >> A minute and a half.
>> What about uh economy? >> Yeah, right there. >> I got Thank you. Uh what about um my property? I'm right the street. I got to deal with these these trucks coming in and out. Listen, you guys, you got to make a decision. Are you going to
represent the community? Are you going to represent >> We're going to listen to everybody. Okay. >> Yeah. I'm just saying you you got you know who you represent. You represent us right here. Remember that. >> Name and address. You swear to tell the truth.
>> I do. Dave Marshall 67 new road m I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people here speaking about the same things but a couple things I want to talk about if you look at our previous history we've got a lot of nightmares in our township that decisions were made from the fathers of the past that we have to deal with FMC farms a
thermometer factory this is another one that goes down in history we guarantee you we need to work our way away from this start thinking about the residents want about our town let's improve this thing this is our chance to do better it's a whole new year to work that way and work our way up. This type of business and I
I've been involved in Alabama for over 40 years. I am actually against this. There are nine different types of classifications of dangerous goods that most places can have and then a subass. This one's going to have three of them on that property. Class three is all your oils, transmission fluids, 83s, brake fluids, and all the different
subtypes of those. You're going to have class eight, which is all your lead acid batteries and that. and you're going to have quiet your lithium batteries and things. I'm sure the firemen that are out there in this audience know how much of a nightmare they can be. Just in case those that aren't aware of it, in the
event of a lithium type battery situation. A lithium fire requires no oxygen to burn. None. So using your traditional wilds ways of putting it out, I try to smother it does not happen. It's extremely dangerous to try to pierce that waterproof container, which is
where firemen come into that decision to try to flood that to cool those cells from moving from one to the next. As one cell lights off, it can hit 1200° in 3/10 of a second. That creates a domino effect that'll work its way down a thermal runway. It's what's happening. You see it all over the news, all over
the country. When these fires happen, they've had it in their yards alone. is a common occurrence that happens that now you're also adding that to high tension lines that right over top of it are put off static electricity all the time up to 5,000 vehicles can add to that explosion when that starts they
actually got rockets coming this this just needs to be a flat out no there shouldn't be a consideration for this to be in this problem we do enough of destroying the woods in our town to clarify this for our needs talking about that all the time. This is another spot that's going to take
wildlife forest and add more flooding the surrounding acres and we talk about the engineer with his plans about how you know it could never happen. Well, if that's the case then 55 wasn't flooded two weeks ago. If they follow the same type of plans again when it rained 55 get shut down because they eliminated the trees and didn't anticipate that
kind of water absorption when they did. They only place on the buildings that are going to be there later on and that's what's going to happen. You cannot allow this to happen between the lower property values, the flooding that can happen, the unsightly trash that happens from surrounding business. It's a definite no that should not happen in the Franklin area or anywhere
in this township. It just again it should not in the event somehow there's a decision to go this route. I hope there is. I I think all of you are aware of what can happen and know this. Just make sure if you go this route that you
get some kind of bond, two3 million dollar bonds, something to put in place to protect this, sir. >> I know my time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Truth. Old truth. >> I do. >> Name and address to the >> Nick Sio 698 Grant Avenue. >> Grant.
>> Yes. Members of the board, thank you for this opportunity to speak tonight. My name is Nick Dvio. And I'm here to urge the board to deny the request the request of variance for Copart's proposed facility.
Copart has presented itself as to this community as a responsible corporate neighbor, one that claims to be uh to operate fairly lawfully and with respect for surrounding property owners. However, the public record tells a very different story.
On December 31st, 2025, a lawsuit was filed in the Superior Court of New Jersey Law Division of Lost County. Docket number GLLL 00169125 Conwell Reality Holdings LLC versus Copart Connecticut. The lawsuit was
brought by a long long-standing property owner and business operator and alleges a pattern of conduct that directly contradicts the narrative being presented here tonight. According to the complaint, Copart is alleged to have altered its property
without required permits or approvals, including depositing large quantities of gravel and storing significant numbers of vehicles. These actions allegedly changed the natural flow of storm water, creating dangerous and unnatural runoffs
that flooded neighboring properties, damaged parking lots, and created hazardous conditions on public roadways. The lawsuit further alleges that Copar failed to comply with applicable land use and storm water regulations and
continued misconduct even after being advised by municipal officials that corrective action was required. These are not abstract abstract concerns. Storm water mismanagement causes real damage to private property,
public in infrastructure and surrounding neighborhoods. The complaint also includes serious allegations of fraud, breach of contract, and bad faith conduct, asserting that Copart made representations it allegedly never intended to honor in order to induce a
settlement and property sale only to later walk away. To be clear, these allegations these are allegations and Copart is entitled to defend itself. But this is not the question for this board.
The question before you is whether a company facing active litigation involving land use violations, storm water damage, nuisance claims, and alleged bad faith conduct should be granted a discretionary variance in
Franklin. A variance is not a right. It's a privilege. That's it. >> Okay. I do have a copy of the suit. If I can present this to Mr. so we can
I don't know that we would your comments help you understand as far as analysts without them being able to probably raise your hand for the fellow troop. >> Yes or no? >> Yes. The >> name and address, please. >> My name is Chris Conwal Senior, 207
Cedar Grove Road, South Harrison Township. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I'm a little local business owner who had spent four years in business in Glasboro, New York. Operating my business on my property, same property that is now subject of litigation
against Copart docket number same as what Vicio said. I have a couple copies if anybody will succeed in complaint. It's currently pending in the superior court of New Jersey. I want to be clear about one important point at the start. This was a business property, not a
residential property. It's how my family has made a living for the past 40 plus years. It supported employees, customers, and a reputation built over the four decades. Since 2016, Copart's operation that borders our
property caused significant storm water damage to our property and overflowing our property. And it wasn't occasional. It was continuous. Every time we had a sizable storm, it was continuous. It was unbelievable how much water came off our
property. As a result, buildings were damaged. One building, we actually had to let our tenant leave and it's deemed unusable at this point. Landscaping was repeatedly destroyed. Automobiles were flooded and damaged. Countless hours were spent repairing and documenting the
damage that was done by Copart. We did not rush to court. We repeatedly asked Pro to take care of the problem. We didn't ask for money. We just wanted this this water to stop pouring on our own property. They flat out refused.
That refusal forced us into litigation becauseart is a large corporation. The case was dragged out for years costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars. I can prove that. Fighting them trying to do something about this water damage to our property.
Not to mention thousands of hours in man hour in hour labor and our repairs. We've documented everything. We have pictures. We have videos here if anybody cares to see us. We're willing to provide anyone who wants to see any of any of the proof
that we have of what the damage that Copart has done to us. After years of fighting, Copart approached us about purchasing the property. Although our property wasn't for sale, after weighing out out the continued damage, continued litigation, and the certainty of
spending hundreds of thousands more fighting them, we made the difficult decision to sell the property. Sell them the property. We told Copart we would not sell part of the property. We would only sell the entire property because
downsize downsizing responsibility takes time. reco relocating our accounts for our business, transitioning longtime employ uh employees, and restructuring structuring our operations. Cohort
agreed. They signed a contract and we relied on that agreement. >> Okay, sir. I'm sorry, but the time is up. >> Thank you. >> I have so much more left to say. >> I'll tell you, I have a lot more to say. I can I can get like another minute and
a half. Okay, we got it. >> This really matters. >> Sir, are you are you a res of the township? >> I am not. >> But my property is your property in class. >> All right. Well, that's very nice that you're not. >> Okay, that's been put down.
>> Okay. So, anyway, >> yeah, continue. coart made an agreement with us. >> Did I >> We kept our end of the deal. We downsized our business. We moved long-term employees. We sold the council. We reduced our operations all
in reliance in Copart's commitment to us in purchasing the property. After all this was done, Copart canled the deal with us. The result was devastating. and left my business in turmoil and forced me to continue working. I never anticipated doing this at this
stage in my life. I'm 64 years old, going on 65. I am a kidney transplant patient. I have a serious heart issue. My wife has been battling stomach cancer for the past year. I thought we would be done by now. We're not because everything's going on. >> Make it simpler, sir.
>> Okay, just a few more. This history matters to you guys. When Copart tells the board that it will be fair and responsible neighbor to Franklinville, my experience tells a totally different story. I urge any of you to go park on Broad Street in Glassboro. Look at the
trucks lined up. Sit there for 15 minutes. Watch them lined up. They got to bring 5,000 cars in. 5,000 cars got to come back out. They even admitted one at a time coming out of there. The forklift they talked about, you saw pictures of that. It's not like a front
end motor that you're thinking that you use on your farm. This thing is massive. Wheels are probably this high. The forks are 6 to 8 ft long. Gigantic zooming back and forth up there. Not to mention the dust plume that comes up this white dust from all that crowd doing there
coming over on our property. >> Okay. Can you make Come on, let's let's keep going. >> Give everybody a chance. We need to stick as well. >> I think the point was clear. He's saying he has personal knowledge of him being a bad neighbor. That's my point. But if anybody wants to talk to you, I'm glad we talk to you about that. Okay. Anybody
wants copy? >> Thank you. Raise your hand, please. Go to tell the truth on your testimony. >> Name and address for the record. >> 2832 Desert Drive. >> You need a spelling, Chrissy? >> No, I have the address. I forget it.
>> Okay. >> That's one of the larger properties bordering this. >> Is that the farm? talk about wetlands. They didn't give you the top topographical map of the wetlands that run right into the middle of that
property of their property that feed down to two other properties below them. Um they they didn't mention they also bought two properties in Williamstown. Why do we need all these junkyards?
We have a property and we have two students coming. >> Sir, why don't you >> what she's telling you? Why don't you Why don't you tell us what she's saying? >> The runoff from that property runs right into ours.
The wet lands top of graphical mountain >> and pond. There's two ponds below that. So now you hear Copart properties floating out mothers. So that's going to be an issue. >> So all all the lovely toxic runoff
that's and that property is old woods which means >> Well, we got pictures of it. We know what it looks like. >> How many trees are going to be cut out? >> I guess most of them. >> Yeah. All of them. >> All of them. And that backs up to Franklin Lake Water. Thank you. Thank
you. >> I swear to the truth. >> Okay. Name name and answer, New Jersey. I'm here just to talk about my experience working as a neighbor of Copart for the last 15 years of my life. >> A neighbor. >> A neighbor. Yes. Their property is directly behind mine as you heard my
father give a testimony earlier. What they have done is nothing short of ridiculous. You can go down Deli Drive, you can see all the trucks lined up left and right. We constantly have trucks into our yard constantly driving through our property. But that's left that's not the best part. The best part continues
to be the water run off. So 2016, a lot of you guys are familiar with Delta Drive and how it would flood out. That was directly from my property coming across. We addressed Copart with this. We brought concerns that said, "Hey guys, you can't do this." They took it over and they brought their water onto
our property which you can see here which I would put up on the screen but it doesn't work. But you can see the water valve comes here flooding out an entire acre and a half property running off onto Delta Drive. Now that is a used auto dealership right next door which is mine. We've had damaged vehicles. We've
had vehicles in front. Now I have pictures and video. I have dozens of that stuff. Copart does not seem to care. Now here's what tends to happen. They sit here and they say we've done all these studies. We've done all these reports. The reports don't matter when you deal with a billion dollar corporation that dares
you to sue. We asked for proper we asked for the proper procedures to be done and we got told take us to court. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending our right and our property only to have a deal cut and they pulled out the last minute leaving us devastated. I have employees who've
suffered. I have customers who have suffered. The residents of Glassboro suffered. You can talk to the police in Glassboro. They have constant issue pulling people over coming out of that department all hours of their money. Now another one I have here and this is just another picture you know you want to
talk about irresponsibility. This is a picture I hopped up on where you can see their vehicles are underwater. They can't handle their own runoff water in glass bro. So that vehicle is underwater with god knows what leaking from it coming through onto my property which they now own but back in the day it was
theirs and they screwed us on a deal. So, this is what you will be dealing with. I can't stress this enough. You're going to have fire issues. Your police are going to be working a lot harder. Your neighbors going to deal with a lot more water runoff. And another thing that we found through our investigations
that my attorneys found is the number of cars that they're allowed to have on their property. We're well past that in Glasgow. We couldn't get on the property to do it. So, we sent an aerial drone up, which took a picture. It was way closer to the fence line than they agreed to in the variance. the crush stone they promised would be a certain
number of feet back does not. This is all part of the very first lawsuit you file. So all these things that they sit here and tell you once they get what they want, they're going to tell you to take them to court and you're going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting it. And your resident here, you're going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting it. My
father with all the health issues has to work to continue to fight for your country. Do not cater to these people. Stand up for your residence and I ask that you deny your parents. >> Thank you. THANK YOU. YOU GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES, SIR. >> Your name?
>> 2739. >> Okay. >> Actually just settled a lawsuit in California in 2022 for $800,000 which is not >> matter. the leg work. >> It doesn't seem to work. They settled a
lawsuit in California in 2022 with 16 cities and it had to do with waste disposal. This gentleman got up here and said they had a plan in place and they have that whatever that chemical was. He said that they spread and it worked. Who is the
waste disposal company? Are they using? Are they using anybody? Because he didn't say that. He didn't say, "We're using X, Y, and Z." You know, something happened, they're coming out and they're going to take care of it. He planned on
the other issue that I had with it is I'm on Deli Drive. My house sticks back a little bit, but the traffic sometimes there's traffic, whatever. I'm coming up to shape. We're talking about all these cars coming in cuz they're not just
going to take 50. They're going to take other ways from buying whatever wherever they're getting the fires from. It's going to impact my home and the value of my home. How is it fair to the families
from Shay? I mean, I went down there. It's a dirt road. Am I wrong? How are they going to do this? They're going to they're going to fix it. They're going to make it look nice. They're going to make it look nice. But the house the street is here and there's a house right there.
That's not right. It's just it's not right. My final thing to say is what this family has gone through is an absolute disgrace. And we see it all the time on the news with different
billion dollar. >> This gentleman who is their attorney asked him, "Is he from Franklin? Why are you here? in my comfort. >> He's here because he had an issue. >> He has every right to be here. >> He has every right to be here. And for
him to ask that question is disgusting. >> It is disgusting. Beyond disgusting. And I hope that you all raise your right hand. To tell the truth, love the truth. >> Name and address. General 169
in Franklin had all my jacket I worked for. So firsthand knowledge of North 5 years in both of the glass locations. Um somebody asked about how many employees we have at this location when it's operational. Five or six honestly I'm
working with one and it's not the title unit just a regular operational unit. I think we have 11 people in total year round including management. It doesn't take a lot of people to run these urines because they're very well controlled. Talking about the clean up of um any debris on the ground. What's the
chemical chemical 186? It is used constantly. If there's a spot, we're on top of it. And I'm talking about we talk about logs. They go and check the spots constantly clean them up. And the debris that they the dirt that's remediated taken out from
the containers is taken out when the drugs are fill company puts in. I don't know which company it is. It's doesn't happen very often, but when when their the drums are full, they they remove them from the property. So, they cannot stay there. Um, okay. At this point, I know nobody in this room likes it, but that's I don't
care. I'm telling what I'm worried. And when we talk about this lot being operational, it's when we have a patch. Now, when it was a month years ago, four years, 5 years ago, that was the last time all of our subots were operational.
So this is something that had to be cleaned once in a while and I believe at that time it took about total 3 months to move to 20 25,000 cars we talked about and that's throughout the state. It wasn't just at one location. They'll come in they they come in pretty fast um
when they're after the process they make sure they're not leaking anything before they move into the locations. Once they're u ready to be sold they're sold. Like I said everything's by appointment only. Um there are cameras on our property. I'm going to tell you for the few properties that are in this area that use some locks. There's what
probably five or six in this area that you probably don't even know about that exist already that are checked on a weekly or bi-weekly basis to make sure the locks are still clean until they bring on their fence. They are controlled. They got cameras on it. It's not like it's something they just ignore. They do watch it. I mean, I love
my job and I'm not nobody asked me to be here. I came here on my own. One, because I'm a temp I'm a taxpayer myself. I live around the corner from here. Not as close as some of the other people, but I'm not that far. I'll be impacted by the traffic at uh Delta Drive and Paul Avenue
because it's not it's not a big intersection. I'm aware of that. That is probably the only drawback I see of it. >> Thank you. >> I tell the truth. >> Yes. >> Whole truth. >> Okay. Name it. My name is Kathy Leightton. I live in the 2887 Deli
Drive. I am a neighbor of this property and received no notice, which I object to. Um, all the neighbors should have been notified by certified mail that there's going to, you know, somebody's coming for very >> if you're within 200 ft. You should have been notified.
>> Um, I live, you see where the um towers cross? I'm directly across the street. Uh I don't >> that that's one objection. My objection is the traffic. Okay. Delci drive is a
main thoroughare through our township and it has fair amount of traffic as it is. And when they talk about bringing maybe 500 cars a day, even if they got five to a trailer, you're talking 12
trailers of cars an hour going in and coming back out. That is a lot of traffic for Delta Drive. And have you been on Littleville Road lately that's coming off the 55? That road is falling apart. All that traffic from trucks is
not going to do that road any other good. And a lot of our access roads coming up to Delta Drive porch t those roads don't need that kind of traffic. and let alone the fact that it's in one of our main therapes for our buses
carrying children every day to school. Okay, it's going to make Deli Drive less safe. There are plenty of accidents on Deli Drive on a regular basis. We do not need these kind of trucks blocking our roads coming and going and let alone
destroying our property and you know destroying the forest that you know we have fought to keep in our property. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Devin, you going to tell the truth today? >> I hope so. Okay,
>> Rich, your hair is the same color as mine now. >> Yeah, >> this job gets me nuts. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, I I believe an approval of this variance is an approval um in Franklin Township to approve a new hazardous way.
Um, I went to Zillow and viewed an aerial shot of the lot and the surrounding properties and the lot is with within earshot of Little East Run which feeds Franklin Lake. The site also appears to have a tremendous amount of
wetlands within its boundaries and uh these wetlands and little ease run are upstream from Franklinville Lake in which many of our residents live and have properties. uh salvage and car reclamation. Businesses bring in wreck cars and
trucks in which hazardous fluids could be discharged into the ground which then migrates uh with rainfall to the wetlands and little ye rock and ultimately to Franklinville Lake uh which then could contaminate the lake
as well as the surface water with all kinds of freight fluid, oil, antifreeze, hydraulic fluids, power steering fluid, gasoline, battery acid. ids and other contaminants. And this could also affect groundwater and
the residents wells in the area. Uh the trucks and flatbeds uh that bring these vehicles uh have nuts and bolts and screws and other metal and plastic that can drop off the truck which falls into
the roadway which potentially could flat tires for our uh vehicles up Deli Drive. A uh an approval of this operation would would in effect uh
would not only affect property owners within the 200 ft of the legal notification uh but also the residents that have not been notified that live in the area. Many residents are not here tonight because they probably don't even know
what's what's been proposed tonight. >> Look around you, Kevin. I think I think yeah there's good representation of of residents and they're they're the ones that have been notified. >> Now would you want you and your families
to be subject to this? I I would assume that you probably wouldn't gentlemen. Um now as far as silence in an ordinance in my understanding is not a permitted use
even though our ordinance is silent on on salvage. I I say vote vote no to protect protect all the residents that are here tonight. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Well, I swear to tell the truth. >> Uh, Harry Kennedy, I swear to tell the
truth. Nothing but the truth. Okay. >> Uh, all of you were younger than me, >> maybe. >> And some of you were born at nothing, but nobody up there was born last night. Uh, all of us understand cost benefit
ratio. Once in a while you're going to bend a little bit, and you should bend a little bit. Once in a while you're going to get a great gradable. Maybe you'll get a uh wonderful non-offensive solar field. Maybe that
should be approved. Maybe you'll get a great taxable at some point. Maybe that should be approved. But as someone that has served this township as its mayor and has served on the freeholder board as Mr. Conwell and Mr. Dilvio have, I'm
very familiar with tax rates. And you understand what a trailer on a paved lot will bring you in taxes. When you say 000000 all the way across, we'll pay the rate that is assessed to us by the township.
That will be virtually nothing. Although I'm pretty sure they won't get a tax. But in any case, gentlemen, cost benefit ratio. What benefits the residents of Franklin Township?
What in a residential agricultural zone is best for the residents? What is best for the residents that use Franklinville Lake? What is best for the residents that use Little Mill Road? What is best for the residents that ride a school bus
every day? 5 cents in taxes, not 5 cents on your tax rate. Virtually nothing on your tax rate. Nothing. No benefit in taxes. Again, no benefit in taxes. 10 in
of stone on that property. Wow. I know your chairman isn't here tonight, but if he was here, he would tell you the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And 10 in of stone next to Franklinville Lake and in that watershed and with the
horror stories we heard from Glasswell is not a good investment for Franklin Township. None of you were born last night. None of you are stupid. You know what's best for Franklin Township. It's a very easy decision and I have faith that you're all smart enough to make it.
Thank you and God bless. >> Swear to tell the truth. >> I swear to tell the truth. >> Um neighbor on 3034 Dallas Drive. Uh get a little bit of a different perspective here. I grew up in El
Township. I went to Bel 20 years in the military. When I moved back to New Jersey, I always wanted to move to Franklinville cuz it's a rural place. I wanted to farm at 34 acres out there. We do farm it. Um, it gets wet
back there. Uh, I want to talk a little bit about the reality of spills. Um, working as an aircraft mechanic closest to 177 fighter wing. We have spill kits. We have hundreds of people. and the response is still, you know, not what it
should be. Um, we also have our water test and, uh, I don't know if they lower the standards, but they tell us not to drink it. So, we run a clean site, but we can't drink the water. So, you know what's going on there? So, what I worry about is when they're bringing in these
uh front end loaders with these 15 ft forks and they're lifting these vehicles up, the potential to damage these vehicles further to create potential spills and that's going to get into our soil. Um that's going to get into our farmland and uh that's ultimately going
to affect everything. Um, now the landscaping sounds like it could be you, but I don't want to end up like these guys. I didn't know anything about carport until, you know, just recently. I don't want to end up like one of these guys spending hundreds of thousands of
dollars once they've rolled my sword. I don't want to do that. I struggle to to buy this property to earn the living that I have. >> Are you adjacent to to this? >> Yes, sir. Is that that big? Uh, looks like a farm right there.
>> Yes, sir. Okay. So, um, yeah, I I just I thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak. Um, I I bought this property several years ago. Uh, you know, uh, real estate agents lied to me, said it was state property on there. No one
could build. Great. Uh, obviously that was a lie. Um, now it's sold and, you know, they're going to try to put this thing here. And I I just, that's my objection. Um, and hope you guys consider that. And
>> thank you. Thank you for your service. >> You can go ahead. Can you tell the truth here? >> Yes. >> Whole truth. >> The whole truth. >> Okay. Name and address. >> Thomas, 2986, Dely Drive. Franklin will
>> Okay. I don't know if many of you have been on shout, but there's no way you're going to fit two trucks going in and out back and forth. The trash truck just barely touch down there. You can't have another car pass it. And then if you're going to pull out on the Deli Drive, the
tracking is going to have to cross over the lane to swing out either way you go and even turn in. And if you're going to bring a truck during the day, where are they going to park? You know, they're going to get there early in the morning to get
in and get out. They're just going to block the road. So, I ask you guys to vote no on it cuz it's supposed to be a culture, not a commercial. And they're going to go how many how many acres of trees? Where's all that water going to
go? So, I'm asking guys to know. Thank you. >> Thank you. How are you? >> Raise your right hand. Tell the truth. The whole truth. Nothing but the truth. >> Name and address. >> Raise your head.
>> I'm going to try to tell my nervous system. It's not being attacked by lawyers. >> You're right there. >> I know. We are We are neighbors to this property. We have a small farm as small farm. We've lived here for 9 years. He bought this residence to raise a family
and because we love friends nature. I grew up with my mom and my aunt and mom from the hill. My hand off the road since I was a baby. Grow around horses and farmland and that was the life, right? That was like we were sold this
kid. Um I'm going off script. I tight something up and I just it just doesn't feel authentic. I know why we need to drugs. I know why we need Coca-Cola automation to take care of things like insurance funds and flooded cars and fire patterns
and car accidents. I've gotten in a car accident my truck. It probably ended up at work. I don't know. What I have a problem with is where they're trying to walk. It does not belong. I've walked back there for I guess years with my kids, my dogs. I mean, people ride, you
know, horses and claws back in the field there. It's not just trees. It's not just wetlands. There's no food back here. There's native perennials back here. There's bald eagles that live back here. Besides the fact that Sha, yes, is currently 16 ft road gravel. I'm all for
paving the road, but not at the cost and the expense of the safety of my children, our neighbors. There's only three three houses on that road. One is on Delta and Jay, and then there's my neighbor and I that phase each other at the very end. Um,
I'm up for progress, but not at the cost of the safety and the health of the residents. I'm not going to repeat everything that everyone already spoke about beautifully with the environmental hazards. Um, Marine's environmental impact statement is an absolute joke. I read that when I did my homework records
report back in May. Um, to say there is no significant change in this area is an absolute utter lie. It would be a huge devastation for this area and anybody who walked that property or send a drone up there would see that um it's just not progress. It's erosion. It's just not
what we don't get this. So, I'm I'm voting no. I'm hoping you vote no as well and that you maybe find another lot more suitable that's already highly commercial. We don't have to destroy the integrity of our town. Thank you. >> Thank you.
Sorry to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. I do. >> Name and address, please. >> 71. >> Um, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. Our town's rural character.
Thank you for allowing me to speak. Tonight, our town's rural character is intact. But if this variance is granted, that ends. We are here to prevent a catastrophic land use error before the first bulldozer arrives. This land is
zoned residential agricultural, and I'm here to ask you to uphold the integrity of that designation. We have a chance to keep our water safe, our air clean, and streets quiet. I've come to learn that from December of 2022
to October 2025, there have been at least 12 Copart lot fires with a total of 400 destroyed vehicles. Two of the fires were even on the same property. Just one of the fires that destroyed 50
cars required at least 15,000 gallons of water. Here's the most terrifying reality. His site has no hydrants. A salvage lot is a highdensity fire hazard. If a lithium
ion battery in a wrecked PV enters thermal bomb or a spark ignites a fuel leak, our fire department has no immediate water source. They would be fighting a toxic chemical fueled inferno
with tankers warm while the smoke laden with hydrogen cyanide drifts directly toward the neighboring homes. Placing a high hazard industrial fire risk in a residential area is a violation of the most basic tenants of public safety.
Copart's proposal involves bulldozing the woods to create massive dry lots for accessibility. In a residential zone relying on private wells, this is a recipe for a public health crisis. Every vehicle Copart
accepts is by definition damaged. We are talking about thousands of cracked engines, fuel tanks. When it rains, the toxic soup of salvage will leech directly through that gravel into our
shared aquifer. Honestly, I am sick for the immediate residents facing this assault on their quality of life punctuated by the roar of legal engines and the incessant people. Those within a 5m radius, and I am one
of them, are at the mercy of the winds. I am confident that the board will enthusiastically deny this variance and its fundamental incompatibility with the land. Thank you for your consideration. >> Good evening. Swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth. >> I do. >> Name please. >> 19. >> Okay. >> Thank you for allowing me to speak. Uh I was alerted to this situation uh just
about a week ago uh through and I'm very glad that I was able to come and support the residents who are funding this. Um I just wanted to say just in sitting here some of the things that have come to my mind this property is zoned residential
agricultural and I don't think that they provided any adequate justification to provide any um I'm confident that after you are hearing their presentation and the county residents that you will come to
the con conclusion that this is a risk that the township should not take. Um I they didn't answer the question of what percentage of localized vehicles that they would be storing here um have damage that may be at risk for these gas
or other flu. You are probably aware that municipalities and counties are responsible for all uh pollution storing milk. Um when properly used, we talked about the chemical FM86.
When properly used, wafers can be listed as non-counter. What guarantees that they offer that the company will follow best practices and that the and you know that the compounds that this chemical is supposed to eliminate are partial death. Um, but
that was something I didn't want to share. Um, I thought it was a little laughable that they were educating you on your last report. Um, as if you don't know what it is and that they actually made the case that since they're going
to be providing some landscaping and residents won't see it, it's not going to negative. I just hope that you can see that we are as
>> THANK YOU. MARGARET ROAD. >> Tell the truth. >> Tell the whole truth again. >> Okay. Your name again? >> Margaret. >> Address roadest.
>> I just wanted to tell you that it's uh 38 38 39 acres. It's 10,000 trees that they're doing. According to their paperwork and uh also according to their paperwork
file in our town that 184 trucks a day, carriers, trucks, tractor trailers to fill the yard, 5,000 cars. I got to give credit to some of you people out there. You're doing your homework.
>> Hi. How are you? >> Okay. How are you? Just try to tell the truth. >> I tell the truth. >> My name is Dean Hamill. I am um located at 716 Grand Avenue. I'm actually just beyond
that little point there at the top. So, um, I drink coffee right there. Um, I might be just beyond 200 ft away, but I wasn't there to find it all about I found out from all my sources. Um, all I
got to say is that environmentally it doesn't make sense to clear all that acreage. I mean, we know that there's protected species on that land. I'm I own real estate. I know that there's other properties in Franklinville that house protected
species or not endangered species. Um, besides that, the waterway, I mean, we're talking Little East Franklin Lake and then it runs all the way down to Northeast River. I mean, this isn't just affecting right now. It's also not just affecting just our water. Like, that's
just right there. It's affecting everyone that's along this water source. It's It just doesn't make sense. I know you said economically um there's nothing else that you can do with that property because of the power lines on the power lines and whatnot. There are other
options. If you want to sell the property, sell it other uh department of environmental protection under 3 acres and make a profit that site and then the land will be protected. It there will be no actual building direct directed to us here please.
>> I'm sorry. Um, I'm trying to make this quick. I know I only have a minute left. Um, zone purpose exists to preserve residential character, protect agriculture, open space, minimize environmental impact, and high density
commercial or industrial operation. This does not fit the current RA zone that you guys purchased the property or that they purchased the property as. They knew what they were purchasing when they purchased it. um they just decided they were going to get this D1 or C2 varants and we're
going to pretty much slide under the radar because they think that there's only like two residents that are on the street that are actually going to say anything and it's not going to work that way cuz there's a lot more people who are going to be affected by this. That's all I can say. I'm not going to
repeat everything that everyone else has said. Ramsey, I swear to tell the truth. >> Okay. >> I came here tonight. I thought there was a planning board. >> The address? >> Uh 104 Duck Row Road, Monroeville Road. >> Okay. >> I thought there was a planning board and then I seen this. I thought I would hang
around and see what was going on. >> So, you're kind of nosy, aren't you? >> Yeah, I'm kind of nosy. My my son got in an accident in his car in North Jersey and it ended up down here in Glassboro. I'm thinking there's like 8 12 million people in New Jersey. They say there's
250,000 wrecks is what I heard tonight. You know, it's uh most of the people are up there. Most of the wrecks are up there. Leave them up there. You know, I TELL you and it isn't just Little Mill Road, Deli Drive. If this thing goes
through, you're going to see these all down carriers on every road. It lost I'm a truck driver. Lost truck drivers going to come in from every road possible to find this place. I worked at a junkyard as a kid. I've been to three different co- parks in my life on the truck
driver. And they seem like they do a really good job keeping it clean for the most part. It's not as bad as the junkyard I worked at as a kid, but it ain't perfect. And outside that outside that coke part is not coart. And that drips. And if it's dripping there,
it's dripping in there. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> Okay. Tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. >> Name? Chris Pa 250 training D Avenue in
Roseville to address comments that are made about not being able to speak and uh having a direct taxpayer to the Pent Franklin. We all went to school together. We all know each other. I have one that lives here. I have people in the audience that already spoken on my
blood. I consider brother but we all care. The school board regulations are dictated by the state. I'm personally curious if uh it's going to be management for resources
there. That's going to be out of my teeth. But you guys are doing um a few employees during the day. I didn't hear anything about at night. There's a fire at night. What's going to happen? Who's going to know first? They say they have set hours I believe 8 to 5.
>> So every day when they're night alert there any kind of suppression emergency management system for light fire when no one's there. So we have to monitor the facility all fires create fire. They talked about
making lithium batteries and I don't know about that. Um, let me know the township. Uh, most you guys already know about all the housing development that's been playing for years. I was finally talking up to the mountain drive once that finishes and you can see
how fast it has to especially on 55 as well. You've already noticed the uptake traffic as um regarding the varian directly previous council spoke. Um does the benefit of property tax on a mostly on pave site plan out the detriment when we
already have designated area? >> Thank you. >> Okay. Make a motion to close the park. >> I make a motion we come on. Wait for the last minute. Let's do >> to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> Okay. Name and address.
>> Barber Halurn Harding Highway Township. I don't live anywhere near this, but I'm very concerned about it. First of all, I got the land development general zoning provisions prohibited uses in all zones, not just the residential zone. This is
prohibited in all zones and it's also they talk about sign. Well, it's outdoor store. We don't allow outdoor sport. Also, it says what's prohibited is not just hazardous or offensive. And it shall not
uh constitute a public nuisance by reason of dissemination of toxic, toxic, or corrosive smoke, odor, or dust. We just heard dust issue from the gentleman who's being screwed over and he's very ill. So, we've already pointed that out.
Resulted noise or vibration exceeding the average intensity of noise and vibration occurring from other causes at the district bound. The people on Chay Avenue, their properties will be unusable. They won't be able to use their yards because the fumes from the trucks, the vibrations
from the trucks will destroy their homes and uh their entire college life will be screwed. Walmart might as well come in and buy their homes now because they won't be sellable and they'll be and like I said, they won't be able to use their yard. I live on Route 40. I can't
use my yard without putting this carbon filter mask on to go out my front door. I can no longer garden there. I actually purchased a property in Millville so that I can garden there and live here.
That's how bad it is when you live in an area of high truck traffic. You will not be able to use your home. It will impair the zone. And especially those on shed, they will lose everything that they have. Uh endangered surrounded areas by
reason of fire explosion. Yes. Um, there's been multiple fires on multiple sites. I have my brother who's checked for me, Googled for me. He only found the ones that made the news. He only found the ones from 22 to, you know,
fairly recently and there were 12 of those and at least one of those articles mentioned it happening more than once. This is a fire hazard. It's under the high tension wires. Another thing contribute to pollution of water. It will result in electrical disturbances
in nearby residents. If there's a fire, they're going to have to cut those lines until it's under control. Especially with electric cars and how volatile, the winds, everything else. If you read the general prohibitions, this fits into a T. It doesn't look anywhere in our
account. Not in highway commercial, nowhere. Our master plan is basically trying to protect us from things like this. and we need to follow it and we need to follow our own ordinance that doesn't allow this. Thank you. Thank you.
>> I make a motion. >> Second, you don't want more. >> You could tell the truth. Okay. Make it quick. >> It's quick. The road is very narrow. Actually, part of the road is in my property right now. the way it's shaped
the way it's sting and then it ends right in front of my house. So somehow that whole world has to be developed. My property I moved there almost 22 time 15 years now it's basically going to be
worth it. I have 100 trucks running back there. That's what I got. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I make a motion we close the public portion. >> I second it. >> Okay. Are we voting on that? Yeah. May.
>> Yeah. >> May. Okay. >> Public portion's closed. >> I think um it's up to you. You got any answers? You want to rebut any of this? >> I'll just I'll just follow the
>> first with regard to the he >> No, no, no. First in regard to the uh the gentleman he talked about. Maybe someday you'll get a uh nice solar array. You can put that in. Far and away the biggest part of my zoning business over the last 3
years has been attempting to permit solar arrays in different parts of New Jersey and Pennsylvania. And interestingly enough, you get the exact same thing. I've had way more people come out in a little township, little
hamlet where there's only 900 people total came out to oppose a solar array with the same arguments. It'll destroy property values. It'll wreck the community. Uh it'll destroy the character of an airplane. Same thing. I
don't by any means the good faith of the people here. And I'm glad they're out because it's important that we participate in something like this. But if you think that you're going to get any sort of development no matter what it is and nobody's going to come out and
nobody's going to oppose it, I would have to suggest that that's uh that's that's an incorrect statement. Uh, as far as some of the other issues go, um, obviously we're under the, uh, obligation to follow state rules, D
rules, fire marshal rules, all that sort of stuff. So, the idea that we're just going to do our own thing. Um, again, we're I did not uh uh you know, I I I think that's pretty ridiculous. uh even
if you grant the use fairings, which we don't do, uh that just brings us to the portion where we have to start getting permits and all those permits require your involvement, the state's involvement, council.
So again, it's entirely up to you and you have members of the community out here. Uh but uh as I said uh for the the woman who said you thought you would just you know slip this by. No. I've been doing this over 40 years. You don't slip anything by. Anything that can
anything that can impact any property where somebody can make a claim against it, you're going to have a crowd. And always the people who are against it are going to have about far more numbers than the people who work for it and exhibit far more passion and you're going to end up in the same place.
So, I appreciate the importance of the uh rural area, the importance of all of that. I get it. Uh but you're going to have to make a decision as to what is the future uh of the township. Are you
going to be staying stay exactly where you are? >> No. Let go. You know, let him speak. You got your time.
>> He has no time. >> By the way, the people who uh came out against that solar array were uh >> I won't let you >> anyway. You don't need to go there. >> The uh No, they they they were very respectful. >> Uh I had my position, they had their
position. Uh but it's up to you. I mean, you're you're the ones making the decision. I'll be leaving it in your hands. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else have any questions? >> So, we're dealing gentlemen. We're dealing with with the use first requires
five affirmative votes to be approved. um as their planner indicated and as our engineer planner indicated in order to overcome their burden regarding getting a use barrier because this is in a residential zone. It's not a permitted
use. So they have to show that it promotes a general welfare by citing the purchase of the zone. You have to show site suitability if this site is particularly suited for this use even though it's not a permitted use in that zone and reconcile why the governing
body chose to keep it residential and not allow this use to be listed as a reason. So if they carry the burden regarding those three things it can have their use stranded. If you feel they
have not um you should not please okay anybody any comments one thing to do >> I make a motion to deny and and the reason for deny ing and fact that it's it's zoned residential.
There is places in the town that have they're commercial that you could go to and possibly put your business, but there's no reason to have a business where a zone residential agriculture.
>> I'll second the motion. Mike Hall. >> Now you understand the goat yes that means you're voting no, >> right? you're voting a vote of yes is not approved and if you have your reasons it would be appreciated if you would state that for whatever way you
vote. >> Yes, >> Mr. Bile. >> Uh I am a no >> can >> as in I'm a I'm a yes. Exactly. >> Are you a yes to deny? >> You're a yes to deny. No outdoor. No
outdoor storage. >> No outdoor storage. You said >> correct, >> Mr. Petra. >> I'm going vote to deny and and and I just like to say like you asked for reasons. Um I I think that in in the
right spot, I'm not sure and and we have a place in this town for that. um I think would be okay. Uh my big concern is I try to put myself as if I lived on Sha Avenue, right? And and not only
that, I'm a I I served on the ad board and you know, open spaces and and keeping things the way you know the woodland together and I'm a big supporter of that and I know everyone here is also. >> Um so that those are my reasons why.
>> You are a yes. >> I'm a yes. >> Mr. Yes, >> Mr. >> Yes, I gave you a reason, >> Mr. H. >> Uh, yes. And um while I listen to all
the residents and all their concerns and take them all to heart, I I don't want to mess on this solely because of the residents. Uh I I think that road of that site will never work for that volume. And I have major concerns about
fire activities that we have on property and damage do not >> I'm going to vote yes. Um, I just think the traffic coming on Deli Drive and backing up of trucks and just the overall um, you know, blocking of the people of Shab um, like you said, it is
a small road. It's basically single lane and I just think it's going to cause a lot of uh, traffic and back up on the main roads there. >> I vote yes. And I don't believe it's an appropriate site with the bodies of water that are in the
back and the sides. Uh that that's going to cause an issue. And when you got all those cars, we don't know how many it's going to get. It could get 100. It could get 500. And I don't think that'll work for that area. And that's it.
These bars are denied. So you will not be moving on to the business. Okay. So now you got four trucks coming out. more people. I want to meet
John after the meeting. We're not done yet. Well, actually business is done. >> If we going to adjourn, we got nothing left. That's it. >> Have the hammer. So, we do need a motion
to adjurnn. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> I make a motion we have any closing business. I don't think so. Mike, >> do we have any business resolutions? Anything like that? No, there's nothing. resolutions.
Can I adjourn this meeting? >> No, we ain't got nothing. We got nothing. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Make a motion to >> I'll make a motion to get
To your right.