Okay, I call the order. Please stand for the allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all. >> Public meeting. This meeting was advertised in the South Jersey Times and in the Sentinel. It was also posted in the municipal building and on the township web page,
please Mr. Mr. Mr. >> Y. >> Mr. >> Here, >> Mr. Mr. Yeah.
>> Here. Okay. In the absence of Mr. Gon seat uh or Mr. H tonight. >> Okay. Minutes of the previous meeting. Gentlemen, >> I make a motion we approve. >> Motion by Dan Dees. Second by
I'll second. No, I definitely will. Andy Haml. All in favor? I opposed. One extension. Okay, we have two applications tonight. I just want to inform you that there are only four members here out of seven. You just need the majority of us here. So,
you need three votes. Okay. And I guess you have the option to postpone if you'd like when there's more members for the next meeting. You're going Okay. All right. Uh, first on the agenda
tonight is CD25-17 the name of Avis Builders members. My name is John Cos. I do represent AI builders LLC with regards to its application concerning 919 Little Miller
Road. For the record on the uh agenda, the block is mis uh written as 259. actually 253 19 which I believe before it's with every other paper in the >> we have 253 on
>> very good I I just noticed I went into a panic when I saw that it was in a different lot. So anyway just for the record in case anyone in the audience just um this is a relatively simple application. My client is the contract
buyer of this subject property. Um, subject to obtaining a variance for the lot fronting. >> So, how about we swear in the the applicant and Mike, everything's in order with
>> Yes. Yes. >> Raise your hand. Please swear to tell the truth about the testimony you're going to get. >> Name and address, please, for the record. Gregory 112 Road. >> Thank you. Um, this particular lot meets every
requirement in this particular zone. Makes up lot. Now, as I you can see from the handout I just passed out, this is um a picture of the tax map from Township. I'm directing your attention
to block 153, lot 19. I did surf the lot, so you should see it. Um, as you can see along Little Road, there is an abundance of 100 ft lots. Um, we're asking your variance, the
approval of variance to approve this as building a building lots with the 100 foot variant. As you see, lot 19 is a super size lot compared to 22 of course, but compared to just about everything else there. Um,
and obviously it fits the character of neighborhood because almost everybody's got 100 foot. And um, for the record, the two lots that are joining um, lots 20 and 18
are also unders sized per the zone. So obtaining under size regarding lotage. So obtaining land from either one of them just creates another. So that's why they really did not
solicit land from either side. Mus is uh are you building a house to to sell or you build this house for yourself? I'm probably going to sell it. How far back are you building now?
>> 75 does have 118 but probably was good enough to point that out in his review letter that still >> Yeah, he had some questions about that. Steve, why don't we go over your review for that? I know it's not.
>> Thank you, chairman. Um, yeah, we did a report dated October 13, 2025. Um, it basically says what Mr. Kazo is has identified for you. It's, uh, it's a lot in the RA zone. It's much larger than
the lot area that's required. This lot is 4.3 acres in size. It only needs to be an acre and a half. Um, it looks like it can meet all the other setbacks except for a variances required from 253 107D3
that says you need 150 ft of lot frontage and there's 102.62. So that's the variance that's being that's required and is being requested this evening. Um we heard testimony that
uh additional frontage is not available yet in the adjoining lots since they are undersized to begin with. Uh the plans do show a wetlands buffer on it, a wetlands and a wetlands buffer. It's my understanding a D approval has not yet
been granted on it, but the they're really here just for a lot width varian lot frontage varian >> but they would need that from the D. They'll need that before they can pull a zoning permit. Right. So if if the if
the DP wetland comes that it's a lot closer to Little Mill Road and there's a 150 ft buffer and there's limited area to build. That's that may be another trip back to see us. But right now the the request and they feel comfortable
with this. The request is only for the lot frontage. That wetlands all has to be done and approved prior to applying for a zoning permit. >> How about we open this up to the public? >> I make a motion we open it public.
>> Motion by Danny. Second Richard Glacius. All in favor? I opposed. Is there anyone here in the public like to be heard regarding Z25-17 Davis builders? I make a motion for >> second. Motion by Ricky Glacian. Second
by >> I make a motion to approve. >> A second. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That was a tough one.
>> Good. >> Okay. Next CB2-8 name is Penelli and Ben Duncan. Is that right? >> Sure. >> That's good enough. >> Please come forward. Mike, call papers
in order. >> Yes. >> Who's going to be testifying here? All of you. >> Okay. Well, raise your right hand. All you want to tell the truth about testimony. Name and address for the record one at a time, please.
Brian Brooks 219 tell us what you uh you're seeking. So I'm seeking variance for our current setback and what was our last time the height.
Oh, the height is >> is 18 ft almost 19 ft. Correct. Correct. And we we allow 15 ft. >> Right. So, if we're talking about the pole barn that the only thing associated with the pole bar, it's a it's a RA zone and we have new regulations for pole
bars and they reduce the setbacks that you're used to seeing. This is the first application we've seen here with the new requirements. It's on page four of my report. So, it meets all of the criteria for the new regulations with exception
of height. The maximum permitted height for a pole barn of this size is 15 ft. They are proposing a mean height of 18.7 ft. So that's the variance associated with the pole mark. So if you you could
give some testimony why it needs to be that tall before you then consider that variance. So, uh, my father I grew up and he put a lot of work in his building and he went
as large as he could for the area, but um, it always seems to run out of space and um, we in general want to do all this work to property because we don't want to move in this area instead of buying a house
somewhere else. So he always told me to just go as hard as possible that way only once. Um I'm pretty I would like to have a building big enough
for a 14T board because uh I did have trucks before. I've had issues with fitting trucks and uh it would be nice to have that option in the future instead of having to my tables out.
>> The the 18 almost 19 ft is to how are we measuring this one? >> This gets measured to mean height. So it's from grade to halfway between the eve and the ridge. >> So ain't all the way up the ceiling.
No, it's so the ridge is actually taller, 22 foot and change. >> But the eve is 16 ft I think. So >> So that would allow for an oversized garage door. >> Okay.
Substantially oversized. >> You're not going to do any uh not going to run a business out of it, are you? Just for yourself. plumbing, electric in it. >> Uh, no plumbing. >> Electric, I'm sure. >> Electric. Yes. >> No plumbing.
>> I have another question about the pull barn if it's okay. Yeah, sure. >> How are you, how are you proposing to access this? Are you going to put a driveway in from your existing driveway to the front of that pull barn? >> Um, not immediately. Um maybe in the
future uh do but my main is just develop I don't have any future. So that that leads us to a question, right? So right so
I'll bring it up. So So why don't you tell us about the addition? I'll come back to the driveway. Tell us about the addition. There's a lot of variances associated with the addition. >> So the addition is to extend our two
front bedrooms and space to in the back of the house. Um right now we have two bedrooms. I believe it was three bedrooms initially. Um they took down the one room to make it two bedrooms uh or a guest room. Right now
it's new office also very small. Um so we're looking to extend our those two current bedrooms and then create an office space. >> So there's some there's some variances associated with this um addition. So the
addition itself is roughly 13 1/2 by 22 1/2 or 309 square ft. It's coming it's going to be on the front of the house. So the house the front yard setback is getting smaller.
The minimum the minimum permitted front yard setback in the zone is 75 ft. And right now they're at 24 ft 24.6 ft to the to the covered porch.
And this is going to be >> and this is going to be about 7 ft closer to the road than the porch, which will end up having a front yard setback of 17.7 ft. So 17.7 ft is a variance front yard
setback that's being asked for. 75 is what's required and 24 and a half is what's there now. >> Yeah. So they don't meet the 75 now. They don't make the 75 now by a long shot, but they are substantially closer um with this proposed addition.
>> I don't think any of the houses in that area meet that 75 ft setback. >> No. So, the variance for front yard is 17.7 that they're requesting this even. Now, given the extent of the development
and the smaller lot size, other variances are required. There's a maximum imperous coverage variance and right now 15% is permitted. They're at 12%. With these two additions, it's
going to be 19.8%. And if that driveway to the pole barn is put in, that's actually going to jump that number up even higher to around 23.9%. >> Maybe it might be a good idea to keep it
stone, right? I said the same, right? >> You calculate that the same way the stone and the asphalt and concrete >> technically typically they do because it usually >> usually it ends up being paid at some point in time.
>> We can't assume that. >> Correct. >> Stone is permitted. Correct. >> Stone is permitted. Yeah. But the point I was making is there's no distinction between the stone and the asphalt. >> Well, when it comes to impervious,
I guess theoretically the idea would be that stone is a a pervable medium for correct >> until it gets packed down. >> So that's where that's where it leaves us, right? You know, it's it's going to
be good stuff. That's fine. Um there's so a 19.8% is the variance that's associated with the impervious coverage. There's also another variance for maximum building coverage. 10% is
allowed. They're at 6.3% now and they will be at 14.1% with the addition and the pull bar. So the variance another variance is for maximum building coverage 14.1%.
And then we've got two existing nonconformities. Um lot area 1.5 is requ 1.5 acres is required. They're42 and street frontage 150 is required and they're 118. So those are the handful of variances
that are associated with the application for the addition and the pull. They're in the chart. >> Just Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry. >> They're in the chart. >> Yeah. I love that chart. You missed it
one time last month on one of them. >> Uh there's no other possible way to put the addition to the side. >> Yeah. >> And I can't put it in the back cuz we're such there. >> If I were to put it to the one side of
the house, it would block our driveway. And then we don't have enough space on the other side. about the other side is where the pole bar's going, right? >> That's going in in the backyard. >> Yeah, but that's where your driveway is. You would >> correct. Yeah. >> And the addition is going to the other
side. >> It's going in out the front on the other side. >> Okay. On the other side, you got a left side and the right side looking at the house. The left side is where the pole bar's going. Correct. Correct. >> That's where your driveway eventually will be.
the right side but to the front is where you're putting the sufficient correct which is also where the living spaces are in the house. So financially speaking to the house a little bit more
space is a more economic play basically the whole outlet if they were to go left. So, >> you'll have a chance. Let's go over to the public now. >> I make a motion. We open to the public.
Motion by Dan Deesy. Second by Glacius. All in favor? Anyone in the public like heard? Please come forward. >> In the microphone, please. Please work out your testimony. You're going to get
name and address for you. I heard the street. That's my >> You're against this. You're against this whole thing, aren't you? >> They were going to look for another house. I would love them to stay here.
We had babies here. Everyone on our team had both. My house had an addition that didn't even have a permit for in 1960. I'm out street. We all It's right down Beverly Drive. That's what it's loaded with. A bunch coming out this way, that
way. And that's the way our street is. >> I mean, I did very from my mom's that same exact porch that you're talking about. So, I could see her across the street, but I really really would like them to be able to stay at this house and not
>> Okay. Thank you. Anyone else like to be heard? >> Are we going to duplicate? Are we going to duplicate her testimony? >> Raise your right hand, please. Just want to tell the truth about Julia. >> I do. >> Name and address, please.
>> I'm for Tenerelli. I'm Jimmy's mom. I'm Miss Fitman Garage. Bottom line, he wants a bigger garage because we fit in everything and I am historical. Take pity on me. Um, everything is about zoning and variances. And I just wanted to teach
them some differences that we're pre-written for um building our garage. I mean, we got to have all the brick and maintains and stuff cuz we are available. But it is hard to work in a garage when you have 4x4 trucks and SUVs
and you like to do dirt bikes. >> Not to interrupt you, but I don't think the problem is the garage. The problem is more the addition to the house. >> Okay. So, the house, like the contractor said, the living area is here. living room kitchen. The bedroom area is over here. That's where they want to add on to do the way that
you guys want to do. Everything needs to be flip-flopped. >> We don't want >> We don't want to do anything. >> We just made a suggestion. We're just asking. >> Well, that's what I'm just saying. That's why people always pick that side of the area to move out because that's where the bedrooms are originally and
the kitchens are are in this part. And then I don't move anything in my house. It's 120 years old. I'm old, but Listen, you may be surprised by the >> Okay. Are you you finished with your testimony? You You want them to know
about you? But yeah, but you want to >> Is there anyone else like to be hurt? >> But I I do know one thing. Living in the Grove, I'm going to tell you something. We have a lot of people that don't fix up their houses and they look horrible. And when you do fix up your desk and you
try to make it look nice and then everything becomes difficult, it is difficult to stay in the area. I've often said, I hope you're not friends with a lot of people. I will never move into a stable area again cuz every time I fix something, my parents take stairs up front, they do this, but the house
beside me is falling apart and that's okay. >> But we're not in pic. It's not historical. But the but the idea is you're trying to improve the bulk of the I have to make a book better. >> All right. So >> I know you had a couple.
>> I'm not saying that is better, right? >> Yeah, I know. >> Move down here. >> Anyone else like to be heard regarding this uh this application? >> I make a motion we close the public. >> Motion by Dary, second by
Jaci. Brett Glacia. >> Just a couple questions. Public motion. All in favor say I post. >> I don't know if Dave was done but there was a question about the sheds. Um I don't know if there's one or the two
sheds we got to move for the garage. >> We prepared one ship. >> One ship. >> Yes. Um it wasn't in my plans to wear that. We're not necessarily How big is it?
>> Uh, I was talking about >> I know it's like >> Yeah, I know it was um we got whatever size it was. I think it's 296. >> Was in Dave's letter. I thought we
should address it. is a question. It's a small shed. I had one other question. Um, you mentioned putting an office space in as well. Considering the size of your garage and the work you're talking about doing, are you in the line of work? Do
you have an office a home office for your work? >> My my work your job is outside the house. >> The rest of the house is hers. I got I got my my space in the house, my computer, my my my racing rig, and then the shop for my
>> Okay. So, it's not it's not related to your what you do for a living at home. Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> That's the only questions I have. >> Okay. Any more questions from the board here? >> Nothing further? >> I make a motion we approve all.
>> Okay. There's a motion by Dana Dees. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Richard. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> What I tell you? What I tell you?
>> We're not We're not here to make things difficult on people. I'll tell you right now. >> We're not fit. >> All right. And last one. >> Uh, yes. They're laid out well. And as far as a summary on your um agenda, I think everyone was here last month, but
no, Rich was Rich was not. Okay. So, three gentlemen with the >> I make a motion we approve all the resolution. >> Motion by Dana, second by Andy Hammer, Paul Gaver. I
gracias. >> I mean, I always ask them. I guess we don't do secretary reports anymore. So, it's >> a thing of the past. John, we had a close session on here. I just wanted 10 minutes. Maybe we could stay here. It might be easier. 10 minutes on
litigation update. We won't be taking any action afterward. >> So, we're staying here. >> If we could, there's only three people. It might be easier. >> We go the meeting then. >> A motion to go into close session. >> I make that motion.
>> Motion by Dana. Second by Andy Hannah. >> Yeah. Second, sir. >> All in favor? >> I Okay, >> you're welcome to come back in after, but they're not going to do anything. Motion >> by D. Second by Rich. All in favor? Opposed? Motion to >> I
make a motion to come out. >> Motion by >> I second it. >> Second by Richard Glacius. All in favor? I oppose. >> I make a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. I second. >> All in favor? I approve.
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