Good evening. I'd like to call this meeting to order, please. >> Everyone, please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Notice of this meeting has been given as required by the open public meetings act in the annual notice of meetings. A copy was posted on the township website and notice of this meeting was sent to the
Sentinel and South Jersey Times and a copy is posted at the Franklin Township Municipal Building. Mr. Katano, Mr. Leo, Mr. Ketchum >> here. >> Mr. Gafalo >> here.
>> Mr. Deserie >> here. >> Mr. Hamill >> here. >> Mr. Terrasa >> here. >> Mr. Glacius >> here. >> Mr. Gravener. >> Okay. At this time, I'd like to ask for nominations of the zoning board chairman. >> I make a motion. John,
>> I second it. >> Any other nominations? >> Move to be closed. No >> hearing none and seeing none. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. I'd like to open nominations for vice
chairman. >> I nominate Richard. >> Second it. Any other nominations? >> Closing. >> Hearing none. Seeing none, I'd like to close. All in favor? >> I.
>> Mr. Glaciius. Thank you. Okay. Put up nominations for solicitor. I make a motion. Michael Broly >> seconded. First and second voice. Uh vote.
>> I. >> Okay. Nomination for board secretary. I nominate 15. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor? >> I
Okay. Nomination for engineer and planning service. >> I nominate Schaefer Nasser Jri. >> Second on that. Second house. Okay. Anybody else nomination? Anybody else? No. I don't see any. Um, okay. Voice.
>> I >> Okay. Uh, nomination for the depository which is >> I nominate Newfield Bank. >> Newfield Bank. >> Second it. >> Any other nominations for that? No. Closed.
>> Okay. Vote. >> Okay. We have to vote on our calendar meeting and shall we keep them as they were last year? >> I make that uh Are we going to skip to August? >> We're going to do it the same way, but we can always change it so we can
>> do have July listed on your >> July. Whatever. >> July. It's July. July. >> Okay. >> So, last year last year July, we didn't have a meeting and right now it's on the schedule. We can either leave it on there and then if you wanted to cancel it, we could unless you want to not.
>> Why don't we just cancel it now? >> I make a motion to accept the meeting and stand with elimination of July. >> I'll second that motion. >> Okay, >> let's vote on it. >> I I >> Okay. Uh approve the official newspaper
to advertise. >> I make a motion. Sentinel County. Yeah, we got the South Jersey time to Sentinel >> and the South Jersey time. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Any other ideas on that?
>> No. Let's vote on it. >> I >> I >> Okay. Uh can we approve the minutes from the last meeting? >> I make a motion we approve. >> Second it.
>> Okay. Uh voice vote on that. I I no communications. Hey, Mr. Just to note, Mr. Kitano's here. >> Okay, we've gotten that taken care of. Uh, should I go to the first application?
>> I think we should seek in the absence of John having been seat. Okay. >> See our old seat all in the two. >> Okay. We need two.
>> Well, Mr. Hamilton, >> I'm not trash. >> Huh? >> Yes. And I'm not sitting for John Granger. No thanks. >> You don't have to take over his duties. Just >> just for the >> Well, we we'll need someone for >> We got She Carl for
>> Okay. Carl and Mr. Ham. >> We're good. >> Good. John, I mean, we're good. What the hell is your name again? >> Yeah. Yes, we are. >> Listen, it's catching up. >> Okay. The first application, I presume.
>> Yes. >> Okay. You have Anthony. Good evening members of the board. My name is John represent district application 178 block 7101
67. >> Are you going to elicit testimony? Is this your client here? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can we swear him in now? Absolutely. Raise your right hand. Promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. What you going to tell us? >> Yes, sir. >> You give your full name and address and
address. >> Anthony, >> you got it. >> Y Okay, we're good. >> Okie dokie. >> RIP essentially um Mr. Luciano, um, where do you currently revive? 1796.
Okay. That is the subject property of 78. And what you what do you do on that property? We also again you live there and we also reside there. We also have of course and um
aside from the residential structure, what else is on the property current there is in a 36. Um and so how do you
use your application intends to uh change the use of that barn correct partially? Okay. Could you explain exactly that on the one side of the barn we have three stalls with a lean tube an 8 foot
lean tube. What we'd like to do is enclose a lean to making that a hallway. It's 18 by 3T hallway and then add off of that lean to 8 ft to put all panels for our own dollars
>> under the under the lean tube. >> Under right next to it. So we're going to close the lean tube and right adjacent right add onto that lean tube. Maybe another 8 ft. >> But that'll be open to to the weather. They're going to be it's going to also be included. >> Okay.
>> Building will be enclosed. >> Okay. >> At this point, um the only change on the footprint of the building will be the additional 8 ft um by 8x 48 section. Um
now that 8x 48 section um what will that place? Currently surrounding the barn, we have about 25 ft of stone gravel on each side. Probably about 50 ft stone gravel
across the back and 120 ft across the front. That proposed new addition would sit on 8 ft of that gravel. So it wouldn't touch the hang. So nothing will be disturbed except the
the stone the 8 foot of the stone has um again no this enclosure and expansion of the existing barn with that barn housing my dogs we have sharing our own
um and how many dogs you have currently >> currently have four And how many dogs would this barn area? >> 12. They do 12 in into your town. >> So total of 12 including the four.
>> Total of 12. Correct. >> Your plan though for the future is actually bigger than 12. That's correct. That is correct. Now the 12 would accommodate your potential extension on your own personal. Yes. Um, and it's my understanding your application would it
is intended to accommodate up to $50. Is that it? Okay. Um, and the 50 number, how did you arrive at that? >> That is something that the finance commission asked me to come up with the number and
that was the number we gave them and we cleared this application and that's the number we gave them and they approved. Yes. Um for your personal use um when you require any additional assistance.
So it would be you and your wife. >> Um if you ever did expand, would you um um Well, for the time being, there would be no commercial venture if this existed person. That's true. But your application does include a potential
boarding component. Absolutely. And if that were to be used for what what would you be asking for about use boarding others to those animals for overnight just for this?
>> I do. >> What What are you looking for now? 50 dogs or 12 dogs? We'd like to start out to build 12 kennels off the side of our bar. >> So you'd be satisfied with approval 12 kennels tonight.
>> Correct. >> Would you be able to put $50 in the same space as the county? >> Absolutely not. But additional to further your question, we would like to grow down the road. >> Sure. >> But we're not sure what this currently
right now, this is for our dogs. Funding is being out of our pocket. So that's a good time to put it forward. That's what we're going to build. Right now I have four dogs and 12 is just a number I came up with because four by four spaces * 48
12 * 12 * 4 is 48. That's the size of our building. That's the length of our building. That's that's why it's 12. >> Well, I'm not going to worry about the future because that's in the future. But that's not before us. Boris is you're 12 right now.
>> So may I ask answer that? >> Pardon? >> If I hit my name, may I answer that? >> Sure. >> It took me three years just to look at history. So that's why I would like to try to cover as much as I think of these plans of the additional construction.
>> Yeah, you you'd have to come back. >> So that's correct. I have a couple questions to clarify. Um, reading the application starting with the Pineeland, um, it was clear that it's a 1,000 square foot commercial building and yeah, addition to your
barn. Um, and I think throughout the paperwork, it's been pretty clear it's a commercial addition to your property for adult. So I understand your thoughts about your intentions. So whatever the board approves tonight, for some reason
you move on next year and that's that's what's there. So um you need to be careful about and precise about what they what they approve. So we're not we're looking at 12 kennels
or kennel for potential 12 dogs meeting outside people as well that would be bringing the dogs there potentially. Correct. Sure. Um, so I think that four has to be clear. That's a use variance for that. But, you know, we can't be talking about 50, you have to be talking
about 12 or whatever encompasses that kind of um commercial activity because that's really what it's been labeled as. And if it was just for his own dog, they don't have to do that. >> That's correct. That's why he made very clear. If it was just for
my own dogs, I wouldn't have to move for this. But we do have future plans. We hope that it's a plan. What we do with our dogs is a very successful as far as maintaining that. People call us all the time. Yeah. You
take our dogs, we our dog, you know, we don't offer that. So people know their dogs will be in good hands with us. Will you want to do that some way down the road? Yeah. It's a strong possibility. For clarification sake, we currently
have Seven stalls per horses in the legs. Six. Okay. And they wouldn't make for the horse. All right. So to 12 would be in
the completion of the overhead and the foot addition and that would just be in that. That's correct. Are those your horses or you holding some? >> Can I ask a question please? So you said something about a,000 square
foot addition but you also said it was 8 ft by 48 ft correct >> which is 3 84 ft if I so where's the th00and coming from? >> Well that's a good question. When we started this years back with the pilings
they again wanted a number one where this is from. We were originally, we have a cement pad on the back of our barns, which is in the over uh area here. We were originally going to put a 50x 20 building back there. That would
give us 1,000 square ft and close above there. And aesthetically coming up with going to the um to the builder and engineer, they said it probably better to just do up the side here. less cost effective
because so that's why we need but we were approved from the >> right but we we need to differentiate from what Piland's approved and what your application is for here this evening >> so so if I'm clear it's 12 kennels
it's 384 square foot addition to the building um the area that you're enclosing That same area 8x48 ft that's lean to now >> is that becoming
kennel use becoming a hall. >> It's becoming a hall. So the kennel is really the the new 8x48. That is correct. >> Okay. describe this. >> No, I I I just wanted it on the record. I I I do understand what you're saying.
>> Okay. You got the purpose of what's the purpose of the set? >> Well, when we first started this venture again with the pilings, we had health department and they said in order to be a commercial, you would need sic, you
would need a wash area and you would need a quarantine. So the quarantine room they said we could use our existing t room and just put a top out fan going there out that was a place for that. We had a sloping
gap there that would place for the wash area. So septic is something that we need to do. For the record, that is the septic installation of the septic is really the only area in the current yard that would
be disturbed aside from the gravel like the stone area stone. The septic is the only disturbed by that red ground. So the application tonight is for the 12 counts. Would any of those 12 kennels be part of
a commercial operation? >> Potentially. Sure. Yes. >> Yes. >> Is that what you're asking for this evening? >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. Okay. So, we have an application here before us for a conditional use for a
kennel. Kennels are a permitted conditional use in the zone, but they need board approval. Also, there's a Dvariance associated with this for more than one principal use on a parcel, meaning the house, the agriculture, the horse,
private dog, and the commercial kennel. So, the use variance there is what is what is being requested this evening, that commercial kennel. Now, a question for you with the commercial kennel that we're talking about boarding other people's dogs. Do you also offer other
services to other people related to dogs? Do you do grooming? Do you do other things like that? >> Yes. >> Uh grooming. >> All right. So that that's what we're trying. And what what is the request this evening? So if you get approval for
a kennel and then you start doing grooming without it being approved this evening, you're technically in violation. So I'm trying to get >> we need to know exactly what you're >> trying to get from you what what you're asking for now. Then grooming as well. Yes. Okay. >> 12 kennels with grooming.
>> 12 kennels with grooming. >> Adult training or anything like that? Absolutely not. I can't train professionalism. >> Okay. So, so we've heard what the what that part of the application is. Um the ex the expansion of the building is 8x
48 ft for a total of 384 square ft of dog kennel which is mixed personal and commercial use. Um I had a couple of questions. Um >> well you got your your uh report. I don't know if you want to do it.
>> I I am looking in here to see what hasn't been covered. >> Okay. Um, so I'm down at paragraph number five, hours of operations, employees, stuff like that. So you said there would be no other employees other than yourself. >> That's correct. >> For this commercial commercial component
and when would visitors come to this be sporadically. It wouldn't be any. So, if you could give us some testimony if this is a if some of those stalls are commercial, >> hours of operation >> would be Monday through Saturday 9:00 a.m. to 14
>> for Okay. And anticipating number of visitors. >> How how how would that work? I >> Again, you got a couple of kennels, but I need to ask the question. >> Okay, let's say worst case scenario. Now we're
careful, okay? You're asking for a waiver of sight plan. Basically, you're asking for what's there to stay there, right? So, if you're telling us you're going to have multiple amounts of people coming to the site, then maybe we need to
address site plan issues. You know, where's the where's the paid parking? Where's the street lights? Where's the things like that? So the question is how for these six or eight kennels that you would possibly be commercial how often would
you expect visitors to do >> including the grooming if you're grooming every day then you're going to have that >> we're trying to get a flavor for the for the intensity of the use. >> Well first of all we'll be by appointment so normally we'll just
>> Okay. Um, so we're not allowed that. We're uh I'm retired law enforcement. I don't want people I just The reason we moved here and bought that property was I don't want people coming. You can't do it from my driveway, but I don't want to
um I've had a dog with so with me in my line of coffee here, they come and go. I can fill up those podcasts very easily. I could have $2, but for sake of argument, I mean that
could be a six club. So, >> right. But then the the question the question is when can we expect to see visitors come? And you already answered part of that. This is by >> by appointment >> by appointment only. So generally there
would be no more than one visitor there at a time. >> Absolutely. So that that's what I'm I'm trying to get to. So we the board can then decide intensity and what can be written into the approval or >> that's correct since I'm the only one
that's going to do the allow people in and out of that. >> Agreed. >> It's just one person. >> Potential customer would just be there to drop their dog off and then in say a couple days or a week pick the dog up. Correct. >> Absolutely.
And are you requesting any signage as part of this application advertising for this kennel? >> No. >> Okay. So, that's kind of what we're up against. We're kind of up against a very small commercial use by appointment
only. couple of kennels, maybe some grooming, um waiver sight plan because we would have no more than one visitor at a time and no employees. So, it's a conditional use the kennel in the zone. So, we need a vote for that
and a use variance for the multiple uses on the site. I'm just going to try to make sure you're covered for tonight. Um, so if you do do grooming, is it possible you might have one other individual other than yourself there or would you be managing and grooming?
>> Okay. No, the shaving and the nails and the whole group. That's what you normally think of. If I understand you, you're not you're not trying to open like a Luciano sen scrub to have just people come in
and get a quick 15 minutes wash. You might wash your dog at your house. >> Correct. But that that is room. >> I think you're trying to cover a lot of bas. >> I'm picturing like a mobile van with a big tub and you got the haird dryer
going. It's you bringing everybody in off the street. But the reality of Washington, there's a penalty. >> Understood. I just want to make sure we we're all crystal clear on this. So, the pilance requires that your lot 68.01,
which I guess is a part of this application, um, to be deed restricted or septic dilution or something. >> Yes. So a consideration would be to have those lots consolidated. >> The lots have been consolidated.
>> Excellent. >> Okay. >> And we already have South Jersey. >> Perfect. >> So I think that's what we're up against. Mike covers it. I had a lot of questions too, but answer questions. Anybody here have
any more questions? Open it up. >> I make a motion we open to the public. >> Second. All >> in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Anybody from the public want to be heard?
>> Gentlemen, you got to give way. >> Raise your hand. I got to swear your butt in. >> You swear to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. So help you guide. >> I do. Thank you. >> Ral travel 802 Marsh. I have a question for the two
professionals. Listening to the application, it seems it wasn't as clear. Mr. Shy tried to narrow down a nice alley where it was clear. But on the gallery, sounds like this gentleman lives in property and it's a home
occupation. Therefore, the bar is lower because he lives there. Is that not correct? >> I don't He didn't ask to be a home occupation, so I don't think we're considering that. >> I don't live as, >> right? But we're here tonight with what
we have and I think the same attorney may want to go in that direction. >> Well, the the overriding thing I think is is the use variance for multiple uses on site. >> That's still >> Yeah. So whether it's a conditional use approval or a home occupation, I think I
I think that I don't know that it really matters this evening, but I I understand. I went in that direction on my left. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else from the public want to be heard? Swear to tell the truth about the truth. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Your name and address, please. new Curran. So, anyone can hear that? >> Okay. >> Um I'm just curious um about what's already going on on the property because
on Google Maps it says there's a very active grooming uh operation right now and then the link to the website is about dog food. And so if you're seeking a variance for
doing those things, but you're already doing them, I'm just confused. I don't know how that works. It's a good question. I'm a web designer also. And I created a website in the hopes that someday we would have this
and we don't talk to Google ads and so you're looking at 2020 or anything like that we get everything. But who's >> those are my mother's
>> truth and advertising. >> It's a sneaky way of advertising. >> That website's been as a matter of fact. website. >> Yeah. So I mean there's still and the breeding part about the breeding is in
what we do very grooming for other people but other people are leaving reviews for your grooming and I'm going to assume based on his reputation that people know him and they like him
and they're just putting stuff out there. >> That's correct. >> It wouldn't be the first time. By the way, >> I'll have to when I start my business, I'll have to take some pointers from >> Thank you. Yeah, that was a good question. >> Anybody else want to be heard?
>> I make a motion we close the public portion. >> Second it. All in favor? I >> I make a motion we approve the variance for 12 kennels for what's it uh commercial
commercial use >> the limitations that were discussed with our >> with the yeah with the limitation >> regarding how limited >> by appointment only hours, whatever they were, 8 to 5 or whatever that kind of stuff. >> Now, this was the use.
>> Well, this there's motions for everything, >> right? Everything. So, we don't need two separate ones. >> No, >> I don't believe so. >> No. No. Okay. >> I think Andy here actually put it perfectly, but it is. I think it should be very specific that you're proving the
conditional use of with the same conditions you had mentioned and the multiple use of property. >> I'd make both motion just again for clarity agree. >> Are we good Mike?
>> Yes. With the conditions that were discussed in the site we're okay. >> Yeah. We're only it's not the thousand square foot. It's a 384 >> and that's got to be part of it. Well, that's what the application is. >> Yeah.
>> So, >> the application has for,000, >> but it's we're right 384 down to 384. >> So, we're granting 384 be modified. >> Have to be modified. >> No, we just resolution. >> Okay.
>> 384 square foot condition. Okay. Anybody want to second this? >> I'll second the motion. >> Okay. All in favor? We'll take a roll call. >> Mr. Gatano? >> Yes.
>> Mr. Ketchum? >> Yes. >> Mr. Garo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Dazzy? >> Yes. >> Mr. Hamley? >> Yes. For $12. >> Mr. Carasa? >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. potential trying to realize this. What is this?
All right. Work down. Mike, >> do we have to do the oath of office anybody? You ready? You ready to office? Okay, you ready?
Okay, our next application. Uh, let's see. What the hell? Where's my number? Okay. ZB2506 Copart I'm going to bring the whole team out so they can square them in. It's probably
>> Okay. >> Yeah. Have them square in and then when they get done, please our secretary know who they are. >> Yeah. Um, my name is Daniel Marai. I am an attorney with the local of Fletcher Greenberg near 1810, Chapel 11 West.
I am the attorney for Copart, which is the applicant regarding block 21102, lot 13 here in Franklin Township. I want to introduce the other members of the team. Uh, David from uh, Copart is here. He'll
be going over uh, basically what's going on here. the land. Uh we've got Dave Fleming from Marathon Engineering is setting up easel will give you the real nuts and bolts uh of the project. Uh Brian Shropshshire
is uh from here is going to be doing the uh uh traffic analysis and uh we've got all the lights on plan the positive and negative criteria. Uh we're asking for use variance on final
or public site approval uh with regard to uh the use which we will explain in a second. So um how would you like to just one time? >> I I think that'd be the easiest way. We got we're missing we're missing
somebody, aren't we? >> Here we go. >> Okay. >> One more. You lost him all your planner. >> He quit. >> Maybe he got lost on the way.
>> Okay, let let me go with what we got. >> I don't think I got to swear professional. >> Yeah. Okay. Your right hand, you swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth. So, I help you God. >> Okay. from left to right, name and
address, please. And when you when you go to testify, I will ask for your credentials, >> passports, and stuff like that. Uh, hey David Brian Crop Associates and Dave.
>> Okay. Who's going to go first? >> Um, Mr. David will go first and we were uh I was discussing with Mr. Belli uh he indicated that what you're going to do here is look at the use variance first
and then assuming that's granted then we'll go into the the issues we're at site plan. So, we discussed whether or not we should do sort of an abbreviated presentation uh just to that uh it's the feeling of uh the applicant that it's probably easier and uh more fluid to
just do the whole presentation uh so that we're not coming calling people back and forth. So, we're just going to go and give you the entire presentation. Uh and I'm going to ask Ed first to uh just go and uh explain to everybody. Now, when we do the uh we got easel up
here. I think in general when we do that, I want to make sure that public see what we're talking about. So, I think we're going to probably if it's okay, we'll set up the easel like over here. Maybe a little bit more difficult for some people to see, but at least they get at least everybody to come out,
but they have a chance to hear what's what's being said here. Uh so with that I will uh pretty much act like more of a master of ceremonies right now and leave it to Ed to discuss what's going on. >> I want to make one comment to you. Uh >> sure.
>> At 11:00 we ain't going beyond 11:00. >> Well I've been out here 2:00 in the morning sometimes. Got a crowd here and they're all going to be given the privilege to give comments. So it could be long. Just just to warn everybody ahead of time.
>> They do this before. So just before they start just to clarify what was discussed on so the applications for a use variance and preliminary and final site plan >> but we're going to vote on those on the use variance first because instead of
standards it's a different um amount of votes that needs five affirmative votes. So if that were to be granted then you move on and site plan preliminary and or final. the inference were not granted then you would not be moving on but they'll be done separately for those
reasons. >> Thank you Mr. BL. >> All right. Good evening folks. Uh again David with Copart I'm the regional operations manager. My territory is New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Uh I'm from uh Herbert, Pennsylvania. I just
want to talk uh at some length about the description of the operation, what the plans are uh for the property and how to uh go for works. So a lot of folks know what Copart does. Those of you who don't worry about salvage or auction 90 to 95% of our
inventory, our business comes from insurance companies. uh based on their total loss vehicles. So vehicle an accident if they're total off possible total loss they generate a sign to park. Those cars were picked up either the residence or body shop or tow facility
police station. Uh they're brought back to a park facility. At that point they're put through an inventory process um where we we receive the vehicles. We take a series of photos of these vehicles and then from there they're placed into a storage area in in one of our yards. At that point, there's a
backend title process that goart handles. We take the clean pedal, send it to the New Jersey DMV. Get a salvage pedal back from the DMV. At that point, that vehicle becomes eligible for sale. Takes about four to 6 weeks on average from the time we get a car in New Jersey
till the time it's ready for auction. Kind of the time, the life cycle of the the Copart story. Once those vehicles are available for sale, it it's totally online. Uh, so people bid on the cars online and you need to register
with Copart as a legitimate buyer to bid. So it's not Pennsylvania is open to the public. New Jersey is not. So you need a license for a eligible member uh to bid on a car on coart.com. Um, you you bid online. If you win the car, you pay online and then you can schedule
your appointment for pick it up. Um, unique thing about the Franklin location, we look at this as kind of like an overflow area, not not a direct dispatch facility. So basically the plan for this facility is when vehicles are are taken to one of the main operational
yards and they get to a certain capacity where they get where we expected again. Uh I think a lot of us were probably during hurricane Naida and then kind of messed up that brought in the volumes that kind of came to that's kind of what we went looking for from the property. So the intent of this property is to
take vehicles that have already been received, have already been imaged and are already in storage at a coar location and to transport those internally from one of our other employees into this one here, Franklin where they're just simply uh trucked in, removed from the trucks and then put
directly into storage. When the final process has been completed and the vehicles are a warranty sale, uh at that point they can be scheduled for pickup. Uh it's not first come first serve when these vehicles are sold. We have a uh appointment schedule uh where buyers who are awarded vehicles can dispatch
drivers based upon appointment schedule. So we can have some type of control of how many cars are coming in and out of our facilities. Again this this operation here is kind of be on an as needed basis. Um as long as we're consistent we have plenty of
capacity in our neighboring yard. This is something that we probably sit over when we need it. It's additional expense to use a facility like this uh because we're transporting parts from one location to another having the staff and run additional equipment as well. But but it's a good thing to have. Um so
once the vehicles are transported in, they're put directly into a storage area. That's that's where they're going to stay until they're sold. When the transport rides are pick it up, they're taken from the storage area, loaded onto the truck, and then out they go. So that's the basic operational aspect of what the Franklin location should supply
for us. Um I know there was concerns also about environmental aspects of having salvage vehicles on on your land and I can address that real quick. We have a uh we have a really good spill response program. Uh we use a chemical called FM186. Basically anytime there's any type of
spill under grass or gravel or black top or concrete rock um anytime spill is identified it's immediately treated with a solution called FM186 basically goes in to just neutralize the fluorocarbons in that spill the fire degradable we take another step in the state of New
Jersey and all our facilities uh where we document these spills so we have a map or we have a log so if we do have a spill that we need to treat uh we have an additional process where we track these things as If it's on if it's on the surface work is seep into the ground. The second step is there. We
actually dig those out and move a special contain unit that we put those in and then we move uh at some point to a hazmat program to make sure we do our best to take care of the environment as well. The good thing about a facility like this is we're getting cars that have already been put through the seating process. Uh they've already been
sitting at a shop for a week or so until we get them. So likelihood that we have very limited still, but we do get one. usually from a transport picking up a car. You know, there's hydraulic trailers and hydraulic beds and other things. Sometimes they straight hydraulic hose in the parking lot. We count those as our skills and we make
sure we adjust those adequately to do our best. Aside from frequency of use, again, it's it's this facility is really going to be dependent on our needs and when the volume hits. uh if we do get some storm activity. I know we had one, it was July 14th, 2025. We had some uh pretty good
weather up in northern Jersey, some street flooding which generated about 2500 additional units of volume out of that activity. This would have been an opportunity to say maybe okay, so when the yard starts to be filled up, maybe we could transport a,000 or 2,000 cars in these facilities to create capacity
for storage of those facilities as well as some additional operating room. we get that many cars in at one time. Uh it's just we need a little bit more room to work in those locations just to free up some space. This will be an example when we add some car. Again, it's um we
have to weigh the cost on this type of because we don't just want to turn this on because it is very expensive to transport cars down here. Uh I off the top of my head I would think that if we do need to use it uh it would be cars that were sitting ambulator for over 30 days at some of the other locations that
we bring in and we probably bring in about 100 to 150 per day if we decide to go ahead and activate a facility like Franklin um when they leave the facility we schedule those loadouts we call them loadouts with the 60 parts that are purchased and put on transport to leave
the facility or about 50 to 100 parts per day depending on sale And that's the basic operation of the side. When it's not in use, we do our best to keep it clean. We keep it neuted. We keep the grass cut, the weed rack. As far as security, we would have
uh not onsite security, but cameras uh so we can make sure the propertyy's safe at all times, accurate lighting or needed, cameras that will be monitored 24/7. Uh in the event of there's an emergency, uh we're also notified right away. And that's kind of aside from uh having
a need for it, um I was suspecting this thing would not get a lot of volume until it has to and then it would be pretty. So that's the general operational scope of what we think that uh that this piece of piece of land for us.
I can. Yeah, I I I think I did mention all of our all of our auctions are done online. Uh so this isn't old school. This isn't, you know, where where we have auctioneers and people come in and they go on cars. Everything's online. Um we do have a a process where people who are interested in buying car, if they're
a co-op art, we come preview with our uh we get very few people come to look at cars that that they may want to bid on and buy. Uh but what we do uh we escort those people. They come in we give us their identification. We walk into the car they're looking at walk them back into our office here at Bitcoin. We have
some type of trailer on site if we ever had to put staff in there as well. But generally uh it it's completely online. Uh everything when transport arrives they have an app on their phone and they say okay I'm here to pick up these four cars. It's geoloccated. So we can say
they can arrive themselves at the facility. Make sure there's a motor operator in their tablet uh to identify those cars, where they're located, pick them up, bring them out to the transporter, they're secured, title, paperwork, uh any type of uh identification, all that stuff is going
to still be at the the yard where the vehicles originated from. So again, this is just a transport facility where vehicles are held for storage and load the buyers and then leave the facility once the sale is complete. Is there going to be a fence around this property? >> Yes. Yeah. So the proposal I believe we
have a proposal for an 8 foot white panel fencing uh that's going to go around the property at 100 ft set back from property line. These guys probably >> just >> Anybody else questions? >> Just maximum amount of vehicles you
would expect if this would hold >> with the property set back and the power line the customer property and I I've only walked on the property. It's hard to tell without really getting our hands on this thing. I would think the maximum number of cars we put in there if we pack them is about 5,000
cars. >> 5,000 cars. Thank you. >> Now the area shaded area is that is that the power lines there? >> I can walk you through that light. >> Okay. >> Question for you. Um you talking about
cars per day. We said uh when we had an active transport to overflow you said maybe 100 cars. describe way down a little further and give you an idea about how many cars per week in and out of this facility on average. >> Again, on average, it's hard because
it's it's only when it goes active, right? So, we don't have a need for it. There's going to be zero. >> Well, we can stretch the timeline on average per month, on average per year. I'm trying to get an idea of how much traffic's been going down a >> right. So, so in an accuracy state for this thing, I'm thinking we probably bring in about 100 cars a day and we
probably load out between 50 and 75 a day, 5 days a week, 20 hours for a week, maybe two weeks, a whole month. How long would that active period stay active? Depending on how many cars we actually transport in uh and the sale volume is going to go up and down. So,
initially, if we move a whole bunch of parts, we're going to have higher sales, which mean more activity on on the front end. As those sales kind of decrease, we'll have lower activity. I had to average it out and say maybe 100 in, 100 out. So 500 each each way per week.
>> I'm I'm assuming that they're going to be like car haulers like 18wheeler type machinery. >> So most of the incoming is going to be done with uh five car trailers that that come in. So we hooked up for one of our existing facilities, one of our co-art facilities. We take those, we'll load those trailers, we'll bring them down.
They get unloaded by a crew of folks here and they just go away. And we use the four or five car hauler trailer. Now, when they come to get picked up, uh it could be anything. It could be the U-Haul trailer, you know, that that the guy has to come get his car. It could be a nine car. Uh any type of uh equipment
that the fire would suggest when they >> What happens what happens on weekends? Do you operate on weekends, Saturday and Sunday? The only the only time you would is that the state declares an emergency and we get we get in something. >> So you're you're not open Saturdays and Sundays generally Monday through Friday.
Just generally 8 to 5 >> 8 to 5. Think we're good at this. >> All right, we'll keep it moving. >> I think your night guy came in. Right. All right. Let me introduce Dave coming from Marathon uh engineers. He's going
to walk you through the uh entire site and what's being proposed. >> Just give us your bonus bodies and uh Okay. I've been doing this a while since 1982. Uh licensed in the state of New Jersey since 198. I've been blessed with
several others professional engineer graduate from Dexel undergraduate intern. >> You're good. >> Thank you. Okay. Um what I thought would be uh is take care of a couple uh
orientation things. I know it's difficult difficult um but you know back the essentials of the property. I want to walk you through um give you just a you know a little bit of a lay of land
how a site operates. Um, so, um, if you look at the board, that's typical, but there's a a a yellow area that represents the tax lot, which happens to be, uh, block 122, block 13, 78, and 68.
And as we discussed before, it's bisected by a PCG rightaway easement that's 350 ft wide. And, um, it's it eats up a good piece of property, right? So if you look at that property that that area in the middle where we show on
that uh graphic is is just called GSG ement. Uh we've had uh conference calls with them. The concept plan does show some narrow lanes perpendicular to the ement to provide access to both sides.
Um access to the site. The site is located uh just east of Delson Drive. It's uh off the shade drive, a public right away. If it's parks to improve, uh we would improve it most significantly.
Uh I'm going to walk over to recording again close to seeing from the audience to see light colors. You'll see through that. There's a receiving area. I'm going to give you a graphic in a minute just to show you the fenced in area
where all the proceeding uh and and uh unloading goes and then and of course again vehicles exit all the cognitive site again there's a a chassis area but I would like I would like to point out
from the audience those um the gray those are the storage areas these are the storage areas and surrounded by um gravel um access drives. Um so there's full access around all the pods, if you
will. These are like parking spots. Obviously, none of these vehicles run on the site. They come here in they're not like our junkyard that I grew up years ago when I was being too long ago. But long story short, um, as we say, the
white the white areas are really perimeter access ways for, you know, again, maneuvering of vehicles for vehicles locations. And we have a computerenerated system. They know exactly where they are in their system. These are just thrown there and stacked
there. They're not stacked. They're single. They're in designated locations. They can be identified in their system. uh and Copart operates you know all over the United States and international standing. So the other areas you'll see like the Kakqua we have obviously storm
water management compensates with you know state regulation. So there's quite a bit of you know uh infiltration storage I want to point out those three areas. Now I'm going to walk over uh the second graphic is a blow up of the receiving
area. Again, you'll see this dark shade ride which uh um is uh extends through the existing curve cut. It extends off Nelson Drive, the public right away, the partially improved. It extends back to
the parcel. The gray area represents the paving. And if you look at that graphic on light green is the way it is now. you know, whatever distant condition it's in, some woods, some some fields, uh,
some some wetland areas there. Um, and, uh, portion of that on that graphic, most of that stuff parallel to Shade Drive is also the PSC right away access. So that front parcel, our parcel of people, they're impacted by PC right
away. As you come in at off the highway coming east that um with a 19 space parking area, there's a receiving yard which is fenced. There's a um an office
trail. It's 10x40 cuz the question on the site. Um and also it's very difficult to see because it's very small. There's a 10 by 10 on the pave parking lot. uh will pad for a a a potential fuel pack. Not shown in that
graphic would be our wells and things of that nature, which we'll talk about later when we get into the details of the review letter, our discussions with the fire marshal and providing a well and be able to service his uh his uh water tank trucks to be able to service
the site. Again, to general public, there is no there is no access to the back. It was discussed about fencing the entrance service yard which is in dark gray that is fenced uh and that's what people come in when they have their
vehicle. They want to get to that area to have a vehicle. Um exiting that area into the yard already was discussed is almost entirely cold people uh with their with their you know maneuvering other vehicles as needed. Um they are
very unique. Again, I I grew up in a time that South Jersey. We had every town had their junk drive and I used my part, but this is not that. And having done several of their sites and been to several of their sites, it's operated. Again, all of all of our car insurance
companies utilize code car. if they tow your vehicle it's gone. Um, so long story short from the standpoint of of the operations concrete, you know, it's it's off the highway existing access road improved brought to the site that
was inside the fenced area and then once it's received a 20 large area received based upon the buying that's not a big buy. Um, I'm not going to go through, you know, again, we're in uh the zoning district. I'm not going to go through
all the variances and uses right now commerce site. Uh, we already talked about the access. I just want to make sure we covered up uh the fence areas, all the all the storage areas uh the vehicle storage areas that that whole uh
the uh access roads entire areas are fenced. the the fencing is not at the exterior property line. It's it's offset from the property. Again, I think it's at least on the 100 feet. If you look at look at this graphic,
yeah, 100 100 ft off the perimeter before you run it to the the fencing and and we don't have we have wetland or something. Of course, there's not a fence 100t off. It's along our perimeter of our operation area. the operation
area, the access drives, the storage areas for storm water basins. They're all fenced that 8 foot uh fence. We can show that detail later on. I do want to point out uh we always talked about storm water. We can get in more detail
as necessary. um uh fencing the the only other thing I wanted to point out you know again um questions do come up uh you know based upon this the designation under the DP
rules and the SIC rules for this particular use it's not a it's not a high gluten load again these things are generally inert when they come here because they're not operating uh and they're not you know being driven in any
fashion are being removed. Um so, uh it's a uh I just want to point that out. It would again comply with PP regulations. Uh this will require it has an active um uh LOI letter of
interpretation for wetlands. We will have a flood hazard individual permit. The DP in addition to the township's review of storm work, they will review the storm water as part of that that individual IP. and and so are the again
the wetlands almost have to finally be waiting like everybody else in the state of New Jersey for a wetland delineation but you know we're patient um and so uh but all I just want to point out we you know again I've been operating for more
than 40 years I'm an expert on DOT we advise client do every eye cross every te and of course I know this this town and this board would be pushed back as well.
>> That's it. I don't have any question. Would you explain why the access is going to be shared? >> Discussion is not that public right away. >> However, the wetlands through it and it's impacted also by also by the uh
PSNG right away. It's not practical or even possible for us to use that right away. um you know given given the curb cut um you know our friends in the gear too are also going to deal with and I know the fact that we already have the driveway I'm not sure they would even
driveway but that's I don't think we can even do it given those two facts already I have a question so you said the the vehicles are they're nonoperational >> nonoperational so I'm gathering you're going to need heavy machinery to move these around like so
>> yes >> you know I'm just trying to pull myself in perspective here. >> What like is this is this like an all day operation where these are running machines, moving cars, you know? >> I I think I might add about that. >> Yeah. So So when this is
>> Wait a minute. You got to come to the >> Yeah. So if this property would go into use, we would run we would run pretty much next week at 5:00 Monday through Friday. Uh I think we would probably go with five or six machines. Uh we use uh front end loaders uh that you've seen most of them see have a big bucket on
the front. So we'll have a bucket there for guard maintenance but we place that with a with a set of forks they're 15 and 1/2 ft long and basically we approach the vehicle from the front or the front of the vehicle slide our forks underneath it pick it up and that's how they're transport. Yeah. So we would move we would move
those cars once we take them off the trails when they're delivered in and then we would locate those cars and those spots in the grids when they're when they're sold when they're stag when they're gift to be loaded out. We do the same process here first. We pick it up with
bring them back out. So yeah, we use we use cat wheel loaders and I think we probably need five or six uh if we're in full operation. And I just wanted to reiterate the perimeter is a minimum 100 foot in this particular site. We already have the existing river site. We're not going to
disturb the wood. The woods would be 100 ft minimally. Other areas of course are impacted by wetlands and you know the setbacks are much greater. at minimum to study that plan to dimension 100 foot wooden barrier between the property line
and in the beginning of the act and all the storage area the ling roads are you know they that's the limit of that. So um some of those have spaces but again activity outside is all inside that fence area that's least set with minimum
100 ft uh off the property line. Now, what does that property consist of now? >> It's it's and it's wood, lot of woods. >> A lot of woods. >> Yeah. Well, consider about I think 35 or
36. I'm not checking the plans. If you look at that plan, uh about half of that, the 70 73, but we have 76. I think we're disturbing uh we're disturbing 36 of them. 78 acres. portion of that would
be the rightway that's maintained by PSG in whichever fashion they decide to do that again on the perimeter would be the woods that would remain. >> Are there trees on there right away? uh some but I I I you know you have to look I mean some vegetation I wouldn't be
able to characterize it you know sitting here but if you look study that you put up you know Google Earth you can actually start seeing some of those trees but they I mean they have over time it's like somewhat clear
how it's an operational question anybody else have any questions here. >> Let me let me ask you a question about the cars that come in here. The cars when the cars come in, they're they're going to be safe, right? What about the electric cars?
>> What are you going to do with the batteries before they come down? So, we have a pro we have a process through all of our facilities, right? Because this isn't the this isn't the only part, right? We have we have a spot for for the Tesla, the Cybert trucks, things like that that be complete electronics. uh the hybrids not so much but anything
that truly be it's a separate storage space and there's certain criteria >> so they're segregated you're saying >> they're segregated right and they have certain uh space between each one of those just in case there was ever issue >> but you'd be bringing them in here too >> surebody
is and your basins are are big enough to carry the 40,000 gallons of run off of the uh these I don't have to tell you um saying is it's no longer as
complicated as rocket science. The new saying is it's no longer as complicated as New Jersey storm water management regulations. the the basins uh meet all the modern criteria. They take in the future storms that will exist will probably never occur, but we will satisfy all the criteria and they will
be more than large enough to handle the storm events and and uh again it's very conservative design based upon current design requirements in New Jersey. So again, I've been doing those calculations since the early 80s and none of those patents can help.
>> I'm not really concerned about the storm water. Yeah, >> I'm concerned about the runoff from the batteries. >> Yeah. Well, again, they're segregated. I can't talk about exactly how, but yes, you know, if you're looking for way smaller amount work, it's not going to be running into the stream out of the
basins even than the um um infiltration that required regulation. But in terms of how do you handle a test? >> Yeah. So, so basically in our process, um, particularly in New Jersey, when we
transfer these cars, um, when they're taken from the operating yard, um, that's that's sending to the destination yard, they're they're they're checked before they go on a truck. If there's any leaks, they're addressed and they're not brought. Um, so once then they're in transport and something could happen
right between Somerville, New Jersey, where we are now. Um, so when they arrive here, um, they're also checked again. If there's any spills, we're notified immediately if there's any leakage. And it could be anything. It could be the oil, gas, or hydraulic fluid, battery leak, anything like that.
So, if we notice any type of spill, we have we have a spill response that that we very diligent about taking care of this. So, again, they're they're checked from the original yard and they're checked again before they're taken off the truck here when they come. We want to make sure we're doing the right thing.
I don't know if that helps answer your question, but it's that's kind of the process. If you touch one of the said earlier, you have approximately five cap wheel loaders there to move the vehicles. Uh they're about 50 gallon fuel capacity. So if you run one for 8 hours, you need to fill up probably 3/4
or all that tank. I heard you mention about a fuel tank or fuel pump on site. I don't see it. >> You are being a small area designated for a pad site most sites on bus plus bus plus bus plus bus plus bus plus bus plus bus plus bus plus
bus plus bus plus bus terminals bus terminals everybody has them. they're satisfied, you know, satisfy the state regulations just other vehicles. In general, what we use is the double wall 500 gallon fuel fuel. Uh and then
depending on how much these things burn about 2 and 12 gallons per hour >> with with the work of fuel work. >> Okay. >> Um so, >> but our goal is 2.5 depending on who's driving. Sometimes we do at three, but we're not flying these things. then they're they're governed for certain
speeds. We try and see the operation. Uh so yeah, so depending on how much fuel you're burning, that's how how frequently you're filled out time off at the end of every ship. Just >> Yeah, I just didn't see it on the Thank you. And and just so I can wrap my head
around the the the disturbance of the the trees and the wooded, you're talking almost half, you said, of the footprint of the of the way up. >> I have the Yeah, I got it. But you can see the traffic
has the aerial areas. So yeah, there's no anything that's inside of the uh operational area log. That's That's >> getting stone. >> Yes.
Give you a >> lot of stone. >> What is it? >> How thick is that stone? >> I I think it's 10 in. I We have different discussions. I think we're good with your >> Okay, I'll let us
find to come up any proper uh with associate transportation firm working here since beginning of last year and I'm lic United States from moving forward in South Jersey across the state. Um we also sat on
professional town. >> Okay. >> Um so our our firm was contacted to do a traffic study for this park facility. We've also done other park traffic across the state. Um, we use traffic
count data along Dela Drive from the Del Valley Regional Planning Commission that had ATPR counts uh in extending the site to use that data from LBRPC. Uh, we grew that data based on NJOT background appropriate projected build
out here at this facility. uh to get the future conditions on the side. Um after we establish that condition of the no build where the future traffic generation and other traffic volumes
are, we uh did troop generation analysis based on counts at other co-part facilities in New Jersey. We council three uh trip generation council three different go-kart facilities in New Jersey to establish um the most conservative estimate for uh
generation based on existing operations of other park facilities in New Jersey. And based on our counts from those three facilities, the most conservative uh generation is 21 trips during the peak hour which is from 7 to 9 everywhere in there 21 trips. Um and then the PM is 30
trips. uh put that in the simple term. It's about one trip every 3 minutes in the AMP tower, one trip every 2 minutes in PMP tower. Um we then distribute those trips based on the existing distribution along Delta Drive uh and
ran those numbers and put them into a modeling software called Synchro for this capacity analysis. Uh in the build condition, the wells of service at the intersection of Shay and Delta Drive will operate for level of service B during the uh AMP peak hour, level of
service C during the PM peak hour. All movements along Delta Drive and say highway turns in level service A during those peak hours. Um the trip increase uh during the AM peak hour in the build conditioning would be roughly 3% if you
look at that facility. That would also be 3% of the PM based on existing volume we're putting into the system. Um based on our experience and with the minimal increase of traffic uh level service C or better is an acceptable level of
service uh and EF criteria that nothing can be below level service B level service C maximum reading 25 seconds uh to make your attorney moving at home through the state highway. Um the access
on shay uh meets generally accepted uh traffic engineering standards uh for safe and efficient access to the facility. Um and from the traffic perspective use will not impair the events or purposes.
So you're saying a vehicle pulling out at peak time will take approximately 25 seconds to turn on in drive. >> The level service C is between 25 or sorry uh 15 seconds and 25 seconds. So
it could be 15 seconds up to 25 seconds. That's the criteria service. Um in the morning it's a 12 speed which made a maximum of 15 seconds 10 15 seconds. So any movement from the state highway
on the property would be less than 10 seconds between 10 and 25 seconds. >> I'm going to be presumptive but um I'm assuming they're going to try to keep them from making left turns. Well, the my assumption and based on the be
um so they're taking right turns out, left turns in which makes things easier for traffic, >> right? Anybody have any questions? We're good here. Okay, this is the guy.
>> Planner BL is here and he needs to be sworn in. So, >> mister, I got to swear at you >> right here. Right here. >> Swear to tell the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth. I hope you got it. >> I do. >> Your name and
>> last name G L E I TZ the team less planning professional planner in the state of New Jersey. I'm a licensed professional planner. I'm a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners and I have a master uh in the city and regional planning from the Boston School
of Ruckers University. I've been practicing for more than 20 years. I've testified before dozens of boards across the state. I haven't appeared before you, but I have appeared before Monroe in Washington here. >> Okay. Thank you. I think you're good. >> Let it rip.
>> Okay. So, um I'm here to address the um use variants and and some of the other u variances as may be necessary for the approval here. Um I think you're all pretty familiar with the project, what we're doing here, the site plan, the engineer, and um the co-opar operations
first kind of describe what we're doing and how it's all going to work here. Um you have an understanding of what improvements are going on, a minimal amount of improvements compared to other kind of uses here. Um, we have over 78 acres here off Delia
Drive. Um, it's an interesting lot in the sense that it has frontage on Shay. Is it is it Shay Drive? >> Shay Avenue. >> Shay Avenue. Okay. I've seen Lane Drive and Avenue. So, Shay Avenue. The frontage is on Shay Avenue. It's kind of on both sides. Um, but it kind of also
acts as almost like an isolated lot in some ways where it's kind of really tucked behind the other lots around it. So, it has this kind of unique access to from LC. It doesn't really front directly on um they'll see it. Um >> DelC and we're also in the residential
RA zone. Um so, we're in the RA zone. It has a number of purposes primarily to um and your master plan focuses a lot on this. Oh, by the way, I've reviewed your master plan documents, your land development ordinances. I've been by the site familiarize myself with all the
application with materials as well in doing my analysis. Um you really focus on agriculture um preservation of agriculture. Um and the design of this zone is to have some residential
development options to help maximize conservation of either a soils or forest or wetlands to protect your water supply. being that your municipality is primarily um accepted as well. So there but there's one interesting you have many purposes of the RA zone. One
purpose um that I think this application does um forward is the last purpose J under the zone to conserve the municipality's rural character and to minimize perceived density by minimizing views of new development from existing
roads. So, I think the fact that we have this property that's set back off Del and it has this kind of narrow access points kind of meets that intent that if you're driving down the main road, you're not going to notice this behind there. You're going to have there's some buffering. There's uses in front of it
and of course you have the uh the fencing and the landscape buffer around the site. Um, the permitted uses in the zone are single family detached dwellings, open space land, and a few non-residential uses such as agriculture, including
wholesale nurseries, woodland preserves and wildlife sanctuaries, a number of public uses and municipal uses, and privately owned outdoor recreation areas such asmmies, golf courses, and driving ranges. Um, under accessory uses, you
allow for home offices and and small professional offices, um, private garages and signs. You also allow parking lots as one of the accessory uses in the zone. And then you have a number of conditional uses in the zone such as houses of worship, cemeteries,
hospitals, mass transit stations for rail and bus, convolescent homes, and fraternal organization clubs and lodges. So even though it is an RA zone and it has a residential character in it, um
you do allow a large number of non-residential uses as well within the zone. Existing use right now is primarily vacant with this large um utility rightway through through the center of it. And so and that's the
second really distinctive uh aspect about this this property here is this huge utility rightway that kind of goes right through the center of it. Um and that rightway doesn't allow any development whatsoever. It has to be maintained clear essentially clear of
any vegetation that can you know interfere with the operation of of the utility transfer. Um, and so it kind of bicts the site and then you have this these riparian areas around it. So it's kind of a
a difficult site to to to develop for some more traditional um uses that are permitted in the zone. Um so what we're propo the proposed use is a wholesale motor vehicle distribution facility. It's a salvage pool or auto auction
whose primary business is the sale of total loss vehicles on behalf of insurance companies. And so I think it's important to understand that's what we're talking about. It's a very specific kind of use. You've heard from the co-part representative how these
this you know these vehicles are brought on site, they're kept on site and they're removed from site and they're not processed at all. There's no processing um of these vehicles on the site. um customers can't access the vehicles. Um there's a very particular
scheduling system, very particular pickup and drop off system, all these types of things that kind of separate that from other kind of uses that may look like this but aren't quite this type of use. Um so we have surrounding uses to the north, we have a trucking
company, a flower farm, we have some a fields and forest to the east. you have forest and little leaves run and the repairarian areas around little leaves run to the south you have some single family homes and a lands and um some forest to the west there's additional
single family homes forest the continuation of the power lines and the Franklinville environmental center and you you know you just have this mix of residential commercial uses along 47 and then to the south you have you know Franklinville Franklin Lake and
everything else so the approvals we're here for tonight is preliminary final site plan approval a E1 use variance which is for this wholesale vehicle distribution salvage pool um there were
two variances listed in the review memo one for impervious coverage um the proposed impervious coverage is 34.6% 6% and the the uh memo listed uh 15%. Um but I could not find that 15%
in your ordinance. So we'll discuss that a little bit. And then additionally there was the the fence height. The review memo um pointed out a maximum height of six. You want to have an 8ft fence, solid fence. Um and in the in the ordinance it lists residential fences
going between 4 to 6 ft and livestock fences up to 8 ft. Um and there's also a design waiver requested for current cycle along um shap. So um in preparing for tonight, I reviewed your 2024 master
plan re-exam. Um and you have a number of assumptions and goals and objectives that are in that master plan to that really define what your land use policies are for for the township. Under goal one, which is to protect the rural character and quality of life in front
of the township, you have a couple objectives, including to encourage growth and development in clusters rather than sprawling development and in those areas near existing infrastructure in order to minimize act impacts to um or loss of open space, farmland, and forested land. You also want to promote
development that respects the community character. requires landscape buffering to minimize visual noise impacts um of non-residential development on residential uses and discourage excessive lighting for lighting. Assumption two um is about the uh state,
county, and regional levels working together on new language policy. Assumption three is about continuing to make Franklin County a an attractive place to live. Assumption four is about transportation infrastructure. The goal number four is to provide safe and
efficient transportation network to provide access and connectivity to the greater region while respect the township's desire to protect open space development to appropriate locations. I think that's a key point of this is that we are on this state route and we have
what I think is an appropriate location for this use. Um and I'll talk about that some more. Um, assumption five is about the townships continuing to seek to diversify and expand its economy. And your goal number five is to provide opportunities for business development,
employment, and non-residential growth while respecting town's agricultural heritage and desire to maintain rural character. We have some further objectives under this assumption. You want to encourage economic development in the industrial world because they township that would have minimal impact
on residential communities. They're encouraging development on lands that are no longer environ economically productive. And I think that's an important note when you look at this property. This property because of the access point and because of this huge
utility runway down the middle of it um is difficult to develop with other types of uses, especially residential uses. Um so I think this is um an interesting use that can bring this property into economic growth too.
Assumption six is about um protecting your uh your water supply um surface and groundwater resources um and objective A is to enforce environmental policies regulations and activity that could um contribute to degradation contamination
groundwater supplies. I'm thinking for a testimony from um Copart operations and the engineer of all the steps that that are taken by Copart and their operations to prevent any kind of impacts on groundwater um from the site. Um assumption seven talks about wind and
solar power. Um and those are your your main goals and objectives within for your your your land use plan and your master plan. Uh you also have an economic development commission that's called out in the report and it just I think the the purpose of that um commission is
interesting in that it it looks to identify the vacant land on the township the purpose of determining the utility for business or industrial development and I think this is a property and kind of fits that bill here. Um and uh you know the commission has an express goal providing business in the industry for
the township and then you have a number of ordinance recommendations and there are a number of ordinance recommendations for the RA zone. Now this property itself is not called out but this property has some similar attributes to some of the properties that are called out in that to move
these properties out of the RA zone and into your adjacent business zones. Um, so there's, you know, pockets of properties that are frontage on either 47 or 40, um, that are zoned RA. You should consider reszoning some of those
in order to have universal commercial zoning along the highway frontages. And so this is one of these properties that doesn't have direct frontage, but it's, you know, its main access point is from um, Deli from uh, Chey.
So the the main focus tonight is on the D1 use variance and as a zoning board you're pretty familiar. I'll just very quickly review that. Um we have to demonstrate special reasons for granting um this use variance. Um so for uses
that are not specifically inherently beneficial under the seat the standard the applicant must show either undue hardship or provide uh that the or prove that the use can promote general welfare um which means the purposes of zoning and that the site is particularly
suitable for this use and additionally we have to under Medici pro have an enhanced quality of proof that discusses why this use isn't already permitted in the zone or why it's not expressly permitted. um on this property and so my
analysis will move forward there. So we also have to address the negative. So that's the positive criteria you're familiar with. Then we have our negative criteria the other part of our test where we have to look on will that have any impact on the surrounding area the surrounding land uses or will it have
any impact on your master plan or zone plan. Substantial negative impact is the key phrase there. there may be some impacts but the board hasn't determined that there's no substantial detrimental impacts um under the amendment criteria.
So I would posit to the board that um this proposed use on this site um uh does promote the general welfare using a number of purposes of the misal. I think the first purpose is purpose G of the MUL which um to provide
sufficient space in appropriate locations for commercial purpose to meet the needs of New Jersey citizens subject to applicable environmental requirements. So, this proposal provides a use needed by New Jersey citizens, drivers, auto body shops, um, insurance
companies, rental companies, charities, all of these users, and anyone in this off in this building here, anyone on the board who has had an accident and your insurance company says it's total, um, your car was part of this process. Um,
and so we there's a need to store and resell salvage title vehicles. The site's location on a regional highway commercial corridors is an appropriate location for this use that entails the delivering pickup or salvage title vehicles by trailers carriers. We heard
the testimony of both the traffic um expert and the operation expert of how that process works and how little impact this proposed use will have on um traffic flow on Route 47. It also provides regional access for most of southwest New Jersey providing access to
Route 55, R40, kind of through 22. All these areas can be accessed. All these feeder roads can come in and get to the site easily from this point u at this location here. Additionally, we do have NJP NJP reporting requirements. Um and
this this development like any other development is subject to any other NJP regulations. Um the second purpose would be um J and that would be the conservation of historic sites districts, open space, energy resources and viable natural resources to prevent urban sprawl and
the degradation of the environment through improper use. And I I I bring this purpose up uh a little counterintuitively in that we have this underdeveloped property that's bisected by this high tension, you know,
transmission lines and surrounded by riparian areas. Um and so the improvements are limited to these paving surface areas, snow surface, storm water basins. We have our trailer, our fencing, our gates and signage. Um and
this so this development of the site is kind of a lower impact use than you may have for other permanent uses. Um and so uh they're difficult or impossible to develop on the property um because this is a proper use for that land. Um
purpose um M is to encourage the coordination of the various public and private private uh procedures and activities shaping land development with the view of lessening the cost of such development into the more efficient use of land and again the existing utility lines on the rightway kind of limit the
utility of the property. Um and so the this you know the use can be accommodated this type use can be accommodated with just a few access drives through that rightway whereas other um uses may not be able to develop this or would have a much smaller footprint. So this is an efficient way
at this uh to bring utility to this piece of property and uh purpose O is um I think right on point is the maximum practical recovery and recycling of recyclable materials from municipal solid waste to um complement municipal
recycling programs. And so as this proposed used includes short-term storage and sale of established vehicles from accidents and natural disasters. You while some of the vehicles are in working order that they're either donated or retired rental fleets, most of them are inoperable and
sold as is. This secondary market for the salvage title vehicles removes these vehicles from the waist stream. It allows it gives these vehicles a second life. You know there's recycle, reduce, reuse. This is that reused part of that
triangle. Um, and so there it gives these vehicles life before they're committed to salvage yards where they're taken apart for the component parts with metal, glass, batteries, and fluids. And so, um, I just have some background data
to share with you to, you know, for the scope of the need. Um if you look at DOT crash data for the state of New Jersey for the past 10 10 12 years um the average number of crashes throughout the
state of 251,582. Um we had a low point 2020 was 191,000 and a high point of nearly 280,000 in 2018 but the average is about 250,000 of vehicle crashes. um um throughout the
state. Additionally, um you know, in 2023, we saw 1,500 cars over 1500 cars damaged by due to flooding in New Jersey. Per capita, New Jersey saw the most cars flooded in the northeast region that year. Uh that works out to
be 1.69 cars per thousand residents in New Jersey, and we were a higher rate than New York and Pennsylvania. Hurricane Ida in 2021 damaged over 25,000 vehicles in New Jersey and Hurricane Sandy has some reports of
16,000 new cars were damaged and flooded and had to be brought through the selfish process. So there is a need there's a statewide need for this type of use for this market. Um, and I think my recitation of your some of your
purposes and objectives of your land use plan also highlight that we meet some of the purposes of your own zoning. I talked about um, you know, the preserving and and uh, buffering this use from adjacent residential uses. We
talked about um, goal four, goal five, goal, goal six and the purposes of the econ economic development commission. So all of those I think contribute to the idea that this types of use can promote both the statewide definition of purposes of zoning and your own local
definition of purposes of zone. Um another um aspect of the uh D1 variance groups are the site suitability and so I think the fact that we have direct access to the regional highway
commercial corridor it's an appropriate location for this drop off and delivery and pick up of these salvage vehicles. I said we talked about the regional access that um this location can provide. And we'd have this. And again, this is particularly suited because we have a
giant rightway right through the middle of this property. Um, which would No one wants to live in a house underneath this. I don't know if you want to go to church under this. I don't know if you want to shoot golf balls under this. Um, so the fact that we can park cars under this while they're waiting to be sold at auction is a good use of this property
that has this, you know, huge utility rightway going right down the middle of it. Um so I think that's my analysis under the positive criteria in terms of purposes of zoning suitability and under the
negative criteria in terms of the public good um you know we do promote for general welfare um where the property is screened by fencing and landscape buffers you know the bulk of the property surrounded by woods and repairing buffer areas the
driveway entrance set back um on Shay Drive or Shay Avenue And that uh uh you know they're all all these vehic are effectively concealed or or buffered from the public view. Um you know if you look you know 2/3 to 3/4 of the site is
surrounded by forest and we do have neighbors we do have some adjacent property owners um pretty much on the western side of the site but again they benefit from the the landscape buffers and and and the fencing. Um, Copart's operations are not subject to high
levels of regulation, but nonetheless, Copart has strict protocols to ensure D compliance. The project has minimal traffic impact, as you've heard from the traffic study. Um, there's no noise, dust, or glare. There's no lighting out here um that's going to, you know,
impact the neighbors. Um, again, all the offsite, there really no off-site impacts. Um, we're pretty well bumper here on this site. And in terms of uh the mention of the zone plan um it's not inconsistent with your master plan. In fact, it promotes some of your purposes
of your master plan. Um Copart's operations are sufficiently sufficiently buffered and will not at this location be inconsistent or otherwise interfere with otherwise permitted or conditionally permitted uses elsewhere within the zoning district. Um, you know, the the Copart's
proposed use of the property would maintain the existing character because you're not going to be able to really see it um from any from most of the area. Um, it's relatively open in nature. There's not a big building. There's not a huge warehouse, none of that kind of stuff here. It's gravel. Most of it's paving and gravel and a
trailer. So, if Copart decides to no longer use the site, um, it's pretty much wide open for additional, you know, redevelopment and and reuse down the road. Um and again the proposal is substantially compliant with the development standards for a similar use.
If you notice on the front page of the plan set we talked about the uh Baltimore sales and service facilities. That's not what this is. We just wanted to illustrate that for a use that's kind of similar and the zoning standards you develop for that similar kind of use. Um
we conform to pretty much all of those requirements. Um it's also compliant for offering compliant for parking supply. Um, and so now I have to do this reconciliation, you know, of this use of
the Medici standard. And I think again, Ronnie persisted with the master plan to advance the master plan. Um, and again, I look through your ordinance, co-art's business operations do not fall under the meaning of automotive wrecking, junkyard, or used car sales. Those are
the three definitions in your landing ordinance that even come close to what we're talking here and none of them really apply to what's proposed on this site. Um and again uh and especially as the final state you know this distinguishing
feature of code park business in contrast to chunk auto racking is that there's a regular turnover of inventory. vehicles are not stored long-term for either peace meal sale nor are they dismantled on site for the component parts. Um and the place of business is
not its final destination for these vehicles. So this does not operate like the junkyard you think about either where you go picking or where they strip everything down and ship everything off in in sea containers. So that's not what happens here. Um
again, uh we also look to the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Code. Cars business fits squarely within the exception under the vehicle code as a salvage pool or auto auction whose primary business is sell vehicles on behalf of insurance company. So this exception to the definition of
what a junkyard is and the regulations of junkyards under under the motor vehicle code represents a public policy in state New Jersey that these salvage pool type operations are not motor vehicle junkyards as the term is understood. So um I also went through
and the master plan documents I didn't see any mention about prohibiting this type of use or analysis of this type of use. It's not prohibited, you know, expressly prohibited through the zoning code. It's probably just, you know, a use that not really don't think about unless you're part of this process. Um,
so again, I think you can reconcile the fact that it's not included because it's kind of an unusual use. Um, it doesn't fit squarely within the other types of uses you think of when you say the word, you know, auto storage or those types of things. Um and then
briefly under the bold variances I think if in fact you find that you do require these two B variances um so that they could they would meet the C2 test the um flexible you know purpose of zoning C2
variants. I will not repeat it but my analysis under the C2 is the exact same as the D1 in terms of purposes of zoning and negative impact and impact on the surrounding areas of the zone code. Um so again we the review memo talks about
impervious coverage of 34.6 where 15% is permitted. I went backwards and forwards through the zoning code. I did not see that 15% limitation in the zone. You have four or five different development options for residential development in the zone. You have conditional use standards for additional uses of the
zone in this zone. None of them talked about. You have overall density. You have front yard setbacks, sideyard setbacks, building height, those types of things. Nowhere do you have impervious coverage that I could find. Um, and specifically not the 15%
um, uh, limitation. And again, the proposed fence height of 8 ft, you know, there was a it was a little unclear to me in the reading where you talked about it as residential use. It's four to six feet depending on the front yard or the side yard or the rear yard. And the only other mention of that site is for
livestock operations, which allows you to go to 8 ft. Um, and again, because we're here for a use variance, there is some case law that says you can kind of subsume these bulk variances into the use variance because your zoning code
wasn't anticipating the kind of bulk standards you want to see with a salvage pool auto auction site. So, um, if you do find we need these bulk variances, um, all of our analysis holds true from the use variance as it applies to bulk
variances. Um and again it gives you uh the the the uh the type of impervious coverage we had is well maintained um by the stormwater management. Um you know we're not going to the typical issues you have with impervious coverage. I don't think
you're going to find here on this site in terms of storm water groundwater impacts or a perception of overdevelopment on the site. Um and the same thing with the fence. I think you guys like a nice deep fence around the property both for security and for buffing purposes. So that concludes my
breakfast. >> I I have a question right here. I guess I don't know if you can answer it, but uh so the Sha Avenue, right, there's there seems to be that there is residential that would access Shay Avenue, right,
to go out to Deli Drive. There is housing. There's h there's housing there that needs Shaya Avenue to access Fel Drive. >> Like how's that been an impact study on Sha Avenue to like people going from
minimal traffic to 10 15 trucks or whatever that was at I believe there's two on the south side there's two residential properties I believe on that. I did not study that. I don't know. I don't think was included in the um in the traffic report. the traffic
report pretty much focused on drive but I would add the traffic in here. >> It's really a question. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we we did study intersection today and um Kelsey drive uh during the peak hours right now but not there's no
traffic turning movements. So we have we have zero trips in the existing but in the future we overlay the the volumes on the right service D and C >> from Del into the the Okay. Any other questions?
>> All right. Thank you. You're >> good. >> Oh, you know what? >> I thought we' got >> They don't really directly relate to to my testimony, but I think it would be helpful for the board to understand some of this. Um, if I can have this pass
around. Um, and the front of the sheet is just this site and four other co-art sites. >> Yeah. Just give me >> so you can see kind of give you a sense of what these look like in operation.
>> So, this was prepared by me. Um the I don't know we have this A1 A1. So this would be A1. The front of A1 has uh five aerial photos. To the left
is the site um which you've also seen on some of the other um site plan documents as provided. Then on the right you have four existing co-cart sites around New Jersey. Glassboro East, Glboro West, Somerville,
and Trenton. As you go down from the top to the bottom of those four sites, you can see the access roads. You can see the stacking. You can see how the um automobiles are are are stored and processed. And then on the reverse,
there are eight photos taken by myself in 2023 when I visited the training facility. Um the first two photos on the upper the left that say building entrance and interior storage were not applied. This was a unique function at
Tankin. Um as you can see here for motorcycles and snowmobiles and other kind of antique cars and those kind of things. But the rest of the photos at the top you see storage yard. You see that uh DGA spread out. You see the cars
parked on that in these rows. Um, on the bottom row to the left, you see the pickup and drop off area. And then you see some of these car carriers on site picking up one or two cars at a time. And the pickup and drop off area. You see the large um
front end loader, I guess, you know, the front the large loader under intake and processing. So you can see um, you know, these cars are not driven. That is the machine and those are the forks up front. Um, massive truck tires strapped to the front of them. that helps the
operators pick up those vehicles and move them throughout the site to and from the storage areas. You can see on the third photo on the bottom moving a car on site. There's that loader right there with the SUV on the front porch driving through the site. And then the
final photo to the bottom right is um another shot of moving another red sedan and autos prepped for storage. You can see there's a blue clank they use to kind of wrap around fenders and windows and stuff to kind of um hold the loose bumpers on and keep rain out the
windows. And so that'll that's kind of a good snapshot of you know if you're thinking how does this translate of the operation process uh with that I think we'll close our testimony and uh >> okay
>> I think our engineer may have some you want to add anything to this Dave >> I I do chairman just briefly. So, as I understand it, we're going to consider the D >> just the use >> the D1 use variance only. So, you're going to have to decide if this is an
appropriate use in our RA residential zone. We heard it. We heard the testimony. The RA zone is, you know, that's our residence and our agriculture zone, single family dwellings, open space, agriculture, woodlands, things along those lines, right? Um, safeguard
water supply, preserve, conserve and preserve environmentally sensitive areas. Um, retain existing vegetation, you know, um, protect areas of municipality with productive agricultural soils for continued future agricultural use. I'm
just touching on some of the things that are the purposes of the RA zone. you need to balance that with the testimony by the professionals and especially from our the planner um identifying that this site is particularly well suited for
this particular use um to store up to 5,000 salvage vehicles. So that's where you need to weigh those two and determine if that use variance that D1 use variance is being requested um if they meet that that criteria if they
meet that challenge. Um I think we'll talk about maximum impous coverage and fence height once we move to the site plan perspective. Okay. Thank you. Anybody want to make a motion open to the public? >> I make a motion we open to the public.
>> Second it. >> Okay. Don't rush all at one time. Mr. Chair, what's a reminder for the public? We have a three minute limit. >> Yeah. Yeah, we have a three minute uh >> three minute limit for the purpose of making sure everybody has a chance to
speak. So >> let the board know. >> We'll need your need your name and address. >> John, 2749 Broadway from that. >> Okay. To tell the truth on this. >> Thank you. >> Uh it sounds to me like you're putting
lipstick on. This is a glorified junk. That's what it is. >> That's all it is. It's a glorified junk. I can't believe we're here. James looks like I want to do for our property value and and I got another question. How much property tax are you going to
pay that >> is that for you? Who would answer that question? >> Just comments. We we can't answer we can't answer that and I don't think they can answer that. >> How many would you like to respond? >> Yeah. Property tax is assessed by the
council of the municipality, >> right? >> Which is actually a substantial difference between what you are getting now, what you possibly can get from any other use of the property which you indicated probably minimal and what
you might have here. >> Well, I'd rather have some less tax. Uh, next question. How many employees have >> I think there I don't know. We didn't get >> How many employees? So, so when the property is is used for activation,
probably five or six employees. So all that lot you're only going to hire $5. >> I probably should. Okay, another question. Um I know I'm running out of time. >> What about uh are you following me? >> Yeah, right there.
>> I got you. Thank you. Uh what about um my property? I'm right the street. I got to deal with the these trucks coming in and out. Listen, you guys, you got to make a decision. Are you going to represent the community or you going to represent?
>> We're going to listen to everybody. Okay. >> Yeah. I'm just saying you you got you know who you represent. You represent us right here. Remember that >> name and address. You swear to tell the truth on this. >> I do. Dave Marshall 67 new room.
I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people on here speaking about the same thing. But a couple things I want to talk about. If you look at our previous history, we've got a lot of nightmares in our township that have decisions were made from the fathers of the past that we have to deal with. You look at FMC, Maryland farms, the thermometer factory.
This is another one that goes down in history on guarantee of a problem. We need to work our way from this. Start thinking about the residents going about our town. Let's improve this thing. This is our chance to do better. It's a whole new year. Let's start that way and work our way up this type of business. And I' I've been involved in Alabama for over
40 years. I am actually against this. There are nine different types of classifications of dangerous goods that most places can have. And then there subass. This one's going to have three of them on that property. Class three is all your oils, transmission fluids, 83s, brake fluids, and all the different subtypes of those. You're going to have
class 8, which is all your lead acid batteries and people. And then you're going to have class 9, which is your NAD, your lithium batteries and things that I'm sure the firemen that are out there in this audience know how much of a nightmare that can be. Just in case those that aren't aware of it, in the event of a lithium type battery
situation, a lithium fire requires no oxygen to burn. None. So using your traditional wild ways of putting it out, I try to smother it does not happen. It's extremely dangerous to try to pierce that waterproof container, which is where firemen come into that decision
to try to flood that to cool those cells from moving from one to the next. As one cell lights off, it can hit 1200° in 3/10 of a second. That creates a domino effect, work its way down a thermal runway. It's what's happening. You see it all over the news, all over the country when these fires happen. They've
had it in their yards. It is a common occurrence that happens with that. Now you're also adding that to high tension lines that right over top of it are putting off static electricity all the time. Up to 5,000 vehicles can add to that explosion when that starts if they actually got a full lock.
This this just needs to be a flat out. There shouldn't be a consideration for this to be in this problem. We do enough of destroying the woods in our town to clarify that we're on the committee needs talking about that all the time. This is another spot that's going to take wildlife, forest, and add
more flooding the surrounding neighborh. And we talked about the engineer with his plans about how, you know, it could never happen. Well, if that's the case, then 55 wasn't flooded two weeks ago. If they follow the same type of plans and get it rained, 55 had to get shut down because they eliminated the trees and didn't anticipate that kind of water absorption when they did. They only
placed on the buildings that are going to be there later on. And that's what's going to happen here. You cannot allow this to happen between the lower property values, the flooding that can happen, the unsightly trash that happens from surrounding business. It's a definite no that should not happen in Franco area or any verse.
It just again it should not in the event somehow there's a decision to go this route. I hope there is. I I think all of you are aware enough of what can happen and know on this. Just make sure if you go this route that you get some kind of bond, two $3 million bond, something to
put in place to protect this town. >> Thank you, sir. >> I know my time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Truth. Old truth. >> I do. >> Name and address to the >> Nick Sio 698 Grant Avenue. >> Grant. >> Yes. >> Members of the board, thank you for this
opportunity to speak tonight. My name is Nick Dvio. And I'm here to urge the board to deny the request with requested variance for Copart's proposed facility in Franklin. Copart has presented him itself as to
this community as a responsible corporate neighbor, one that claims to be uh to operate fairly lawfully and with respect for surrounding property owners. However, the public record tells a very different story.
On December 31st, 2025, a lawsuit was filed in the Superior Court of New Jersey Law Division of Waller County. Docket number GLLL 00169125 Conwell Reality Holdings LLC versus Copart Connecticut. The lawsuit was
brought by a long long-standing property owner and business operator and alleged a pattern of conduct that directly contradicts the narrative being presented here tonight. According to the complaint, Copart is alleged to have altered its property
without required permits or approvals, including depositing large quantities of gravel and storing significant numbers of vehicles. These actions allegedly changed the natural flow of storm water, creating dangerous and unnatural runoffs
that flooded neighboring properties, damaged parking lots, and created hazardous conditions on public roadways. The lawsuit further alleges that Copar failed to comply with applicable land use and storm water regulations and
continued misconduct even after being advised by municipal officials that corrective action was required. These are not abstract abstract concerns. Storm water mismanagement causes real damage to private property,
public in infrastructure and surrounding neighborhoods. The complaint also included serious allegations of fraud, breach of contract, and bad faith conduct, asserting that Copart made representations it allegedly never intended to honor in order to induce a
settlement and property sale only to later walk away. To be clear, these allegations these are allegations and Copart is entitled to defend itself in court. But this is not the question before this board.
The question before you is whether a company facing active litigation involving land use violations, storm water damage, nuisance claims, and alleged bad faith conduct should be granted a discretionary variance in
Franklin. A variance is not a right. It's a privilege. That's it. >> Okay. I do have a copy of the suit. If I can present this to Mr. for so we can
I don't know that we would your comments help you understand as far as analyzing the lawsuit without them not being able to probably raise your hand for the fellow troop. >> Yes or no? >> Yes. The >> name and address, please. >> My name is Chris Conwal Senior 207 Cedar
Grove Road, South Harrison Township. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I'm a little local business owner who have spent four years in business at Glassburg operating my business on my property. Same property that is now subject of litigation against Copart
docket number same as what Scio said. I have a couple copies if anybody wanting complaint. It's currently pending in the superior court of New Jersey. I want to be clear about one important point at the start. This was a business property, not a
residential property. It's how my family has made a living for the past 40 plus years. It supported the employees, customers, and a reputation built over the four decades. Since 2016, Copart's operation that borders our
property caused significant storm water damage to our property and overflowing our property. And it wasn't occasional. It was continuous. Every time we had a sizable storm, it was continuous. It was unbelievable how much water came off our
property. As a result, buildings were damaged. One building, we actually had to let our tenant leave and it's deemed unusable at this point. Landscaping was repeatedly destroyed. Automobiles were flooded and damaged. Countless hours were spent repairing and documenting the
damage that was done by Copart. We did not rush to court. We repeatedly asked ProArt to take care of the problem. We didn't ask for money. We just wanted this this water to stop pouring on our own property. They flat out refused.
That refusal forced us into litigation because Coart is a large corporation. The case was dragged out for years, costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars. I can prove that. Fighting them trying to do something about this water damage to our property.
Not to mention thousands of hours in man hour in hour labor and our repairs. We've documented everything. We have pictures. We have videos here if anybody cares to see us. We're willing to provide anyone who wants to see any of any of the proof
that we have of what the damage that Copart has done to us. After years of fighting, Copart approached us about purchasing the property. Although our property wasn't for sale, after weighing out out the continued damage, continued litigation, and the certainty of
spending hundreds of thousands more fighting them, we made the difficult decision to sell the property, sell them the property. We told Copart we would not sell part of the property. We would only sell the entire property because
downsize downsizing responsibility takes time. recode relocating our accounts for our business, transitioning longtime employ uh employees, and restructuring structuring our operations. Cohort agreed. They signed a
contract, and we relied on that agreement. >> Okay, sir. I'm sorry, but the time's up. >> Thank you. >> I have so much more I left to say. >> I'll tell you, I have a lot more to say. I I can get like another minute and a
half. Okay, we got it. >> This really matters. >> Sir, are you a member of Are you a res? >> I am not. >> My property border your property. >> All right. Well, that's very nice cuz you're not a member of >> Okay, that's been put down.
>> Okay. So, anyway, >> yeah, continue. >> Coart made an agreement with us. HEY, >> YOU GET TO TALK. Let him talk. >> Can I yield my time? >> We kept our end of the deal. We downsized our business. We moved long-term employees. We sold accounts
off. We reduced our operations all in reliance on Copart's commitment to us repurchasing the property. After all this was done, Copart canled the deal with us. The result was devastating. It left my business in turmoil and forced me to continue working.
I never anti anticipated doing this at this stage in my life. I'm 64 years old going on 65. I am a kidney transplant patient. I have a serious heart issue. My wife has been battling stomach cancer for the past year. I thought we would be done by now. We're not because of
everything or deal. >> Make it simpler, sir. >> Okay. Just a few more. This history matters to you guys. When Copart tells the board that it will be fair and responsible neighbor to Franklinville, my experience tells a totally different story. I urge any of you to go park on
Broad Street in Glassboro. Look at the trucks lined up. Sit there for 15 minutes. Watch them lined up. They got to bring 5,000 cars in. 5,000 cars got to come back out. They even admitted a lot of them one at a time coming out of there. The forklift they talked about, you saw
pictures of that. It's not like a front end motor that you're thinking that you use on your farm. This thing is massive. Wheels are probably this high. The force of 6 to 8 ft long. Gigantic zooming back and forth up there. Not to mention the dust plume that comes up. This white dust from all that crowd on there coming
over on our property. Okay. Can you make Come on, let's let's keep going. >> Give everybody a chance to think the point was clear. He's saying he has personal knowledge of him being a bad neighbor. That's the point. But if anybody wants to talk to you, I'm glad we talk to you about this. Okay. Anybody
wants copy law? >> Thank you. >> Page your hand, please. Go to tell the truth on your testimony. >> Name and address for the record. >> 2832 Del Drive. >> You need a spelling, Chrissy? >> No, I have the address. I forget it.
>> Okay. >> That's one of the larger properties bordering this. >> Is that the farm? talk about wetlands. They didn't give you the top topographical map of the wetlands that run right into the middle of that
property of their property that feed down to two other properties below them. Um they they didn't mention they also bought two properties in Williamstown. Why do we need all these junkyards?
We have a red on our property. We have a lake and we have two coming. >> Sir, why don't you >> what she's telling you? Why don't you Why don't you tell us what she's saying? >> The runoff from that property runs right into ours.
>> Okay. The wet lands top of graphical mountain >> and pond. There's two ponds below that. So now you hear Copart properties floating out mothers. So that's going to be an issue. >> So all all the lovely toxic runoff
that's and that property is all woods which means >> well we got pictures of it. We know what it looks like. >> How many trees are going to be cut out? >> I guess most of them. >> Yeah. All of them. >> All of them. And that backs up to Franklinville Lake Water.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I swear to truth. >> Okay. Name name and answer, New Jersey. I'm here just to talk about my experience working as a neighbor of Copart for the last 15 years of my life. >> A neighbor. >> A neighbor. Yes. Their property is
directly behind mine. As you heard my father give a testimony earlier, what they have done is nothing short of ridiculous. You can go down Deli Drive, you can see all the trucks lined up left and right. We constantly had trucks into our yard constantly driving through our property. But that's not that's not the
best part. The best part continues to be the water runoff. So 2016, a lot of you guys are familiar with Delta Drive and how it flood out. That was directly from my property coming across. We addressed Copart with this. We brought concerns that said, "Hey guys, you can't do this." They took over and they brought
their water onto our property which you can see here which I would put up on the screen but it doesn't work but you can see the water water comes here flooding out an entire acre and a half property running off onto Delta Drive. Now that is a used auto dealership right next door which is mine. We've had damaged
vehicles. We've had vehicles and flooders. Now I have pictures and video. I have dozens of that stuff. Copart does not seem to care. Now here's what tends to happen. They sit here and they say we've done all these studies. We've done all these reports. The reports don't matter when you deal with a billion dollar corporation that dares
you to sue. We asked for proper we asked for the proper procedures to be done and we got told take us to court. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending our right and our property only to have a deal cut and they pulled out the last minute leaving us devastated. I have employees who have
suffered. I have customers who have suffered. The residents of Glboro suffered. You can talk to the police in Glboro. They have constant issue pulling people over coming out of that department all hours of the night. Now another one I have here and this is just another picture. You know you want to
talk about irresponsibility. This is a picture I hopped up on where you can see their vehicles are underwater. They can't handle their own runoff water in glass bro. So that vehicle is underwater with god knows what leaking from it coming through the onto my property which they now own but back in the day
it was theirs and they screwed us on a deal. So, this is what you will be dealing with. I can't stress this enough. You're going to have fire issues. Your police are going to be working a lot harder. Your neighbors are going to deal with a lot more water runoff. And another thing that we found
through our investigations that my attorneys found is the number of cars that they're allowed to have on their property. We're well past that in Glasgow. We couldn't get on the property to do it. So, we sent aerial drone up, which took a picture. It was way closer to the fence line than they agreed to in the variance. the crush stone that they
promised would be a certain number of feet back does not. This is all part of the very first lawsuit we filed. So all these things that they sit here and tell you once they get what they want, they're going to tell you to take them to court and you're going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting it. As a resident here tonight, you're going to spend hundreds of
thousands of dollars fighting it. My father with all the health issues has to work to continue to fight with your company. Do not cater to these people. Stand up for your residents and I ask that you deny their parents. >> Thank you. THANK YOU. GOOD. TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
>> YES, SIR. >> Your name? >> 2739. >> Okay. Popart actually just settled a lawsuit in California in 2022 for $800,000 which is not
>> it doesn't seem to they settled a lawsuit in California in 2022 with 16 cities and it had to do with waste dispute. This gentleman got up here and said they had a plan in place and they have that whatever that chemical was. He said did
they spread and it worked. Who is the waste disposal company? Are they using? Are they using anybody? Because he didn't say that. He didn't say we're using XYZ. you know, something happens, they're coming out and they're
going to take care of it. He landed. The other issue that I have with it is I'm on Deli Drive. My house sits back a little bit, but the traffic sometimes there's traffic, whatever. I'm coming up
to shape. We're talking about all these cars coming in. They're not just going to take 50. They're going to take other ways from buying whatever wherever they're getting the fires from. It's going to impact my home and the value of
my home. How is it fair to the families on Shay? I mean, I went down there. It's a dirt road. Am I wrong? How are they going to do this? They're going to they're going to fix it. They're going to make it look nice. They're going to make it look nice, but
the house the street is here and there's a house right there. That's not right. It's just it's not right. My final thing to say is what this family has gone through is an absolute disgrace. And we
see it all the time on the news with different billion dollar. >> This gentleman who is their attorney asked him, "Is he from Franklin? Why are you here? did not come from. He's here because he had an issue.
>> He has every right to be here. >> He has every right to be here. And for him to ask that question is disgusting. >> It is disgusting. Beyond disgusting. And I hope you all raise your right to tell the truth. The
truth. >> Name and address. General 169 in Franklinville had also got my jacket. I work for so firsthand knowledge I've been working with 5 years in both of the glass locations. Um somebody asked about
how many employees we have at this location when it's operational. Five or six honestly I'm working with one and it's not title unit just a regular operational unit. I think we have 11 people total year round including management. It doesn't take a lot of
people to run these urines because they're very well controlled. Talking about the clean up of um any debris on the ground. What's the chemical chemical? >> FM86. >> FM186. It is used constantly. If there's a spot, we're on top of it. And I'm talking about we talk about logs. They
go and check the spots constantly clean them up. And the debris that the the dirt that's remediated, it's taken out from the containers. It's taken out when the drums are filled. Company comes in. I don't know which company it is. This doesn't happen often, but when when the the drums are full, they they remove
them from the property. So, they do not stay there. Um, at this point, I know nobody in this room likes it, but that's I don't care. I'm telling what I'm worried. And when we talk about this lot being operational, it's when we have a catastrophe, you know, when it was a
month a couple years ago, four years, 5 years ago, that was the last time all of our subw were operational. So this is something that had to be cleaned once in a while and I believe at that time it took about total 3 months to move to 20 25,000 cars we talked about and that's
throughout the speed. It wasn't just at one location. They'll come in they'll they come in pretty fast um but after the process they make sure they're not leaking anything before they move into those locations. Once they're um ready to be sold like I said everything's by
appointment only. Um we got cameras on the property. I'm going to tell you for the two properties that are in this area that do some lots, there's what probably five or six in this area that you probably don't even know about that exist already that are checked on a weekly or bi-weekly basis to make sure the lots are still clean before they
bring on their fence. They are controlled. They got cameras on. It's not like it's something they just ignore. They do want to I mean I love my job and I'm not nobody asked me to be here. I think they're my own position one because I'm a temp I'm a taxpayer myself. I live around the corner from here. not as close as some of the other
people, but I'm not that far. I'll be impacted by the traffic at uh Deli Drive and Paul Avenue. I'm aware because it's not it's not a big intersection. I'm aware of that. That is probably the only drawback I see of it. >> Thank you. Do you want to tell the truth?
>> Yes. >> Whole truth. >> Okay. Name it. My name is Kathy Leighton. I live at 2887 Deli Drive. I am a neighbor of this property and received no notice, which I object to. Um, all the neighbors
should have been notified by certified mail that there's going to, you know, somebody's coming for very >> if you're within 200 ft, you should have been notified. >> Um, I live, you see where the the towers cross? I'm directly across the street.
Uh I don't that that's one objection. My other objection is the traffic. Okay. Delci drive is a main thoroughare through our township and it has a fair amount of traffic as it is. And when they talk about bringing maybe 500 cars
a day, even if they got five to a trailer, you're talking 12 trailers of cars an hour going in and coming back out. That is a lot of traffic for Guelty Drive. And have you been on Little Bill
Road lately that's coming off of 55? That road is falling apart. All that traffic from trucks is not going to do that road any other good. And a lot of our access roads coming up to Delta Drive. Porch T. Those roads don't need that kind of traffic. and let alone the
fact that it's in one of our main therapes for our buses carrying children every day to school. Okay, it's going to make Deli Drive less safe. There are plenty of accidents on Delta Drive on a regular basis. We do not need these kind
of trucks blocking our roads coming and going and let alone destroying our property and you know destroying the forest that you know we have fought to keep in our property.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Devin, you going to tell the truth today? >> I hope so. Okay, >> Rich, your hair is the same color as mine now. >> Yeah, >> this job gets me nuts. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, I I believe an approval of this
variance is an approval u in Franklin Township to approve a new hazardous way. Um, I went to Zillow and viewed an aerial shot of the lot and the surrounding properties and the lot is with within earshot of Little East Run
which feeds Franklin Lake. The site also appears to have a tremendous amount of wetlands within its boundaries and uh these wetlands and little east run are upstream from Franklinville Lake in which many of our residents live and
have properties. uh salvage and car reclamation businesses bring in wrecked cars and trucks in which hazardous fluids could be discharged into the ground which then migrates uh with rainfall to the
wetlands and little ye rock and ultimately to Franklin Mill Lake uh which then could contaminate the lake as well as the surface water with all kinds of freight fluid, oil, antifreeze, hydraulic fluids, power steering drink
fluids, gasoline, battery acids, and other contaminants. And this could also affect groundwater and the residents wells in the area. Uh the trucks and flatbeds uh that bring these
vehicles uh have nuts and bolts and screws and other metal and plastic that can drop off the truck which falls into the roadway which potentially could flat tires for our uh vehicles up Deli
Drive. A uh an approval of this operation would would in effect uh would not only affect property owners within the 200 ft of the legal notification uh but also the residents that have not
been notified that live in the area. Many residents are not here tonight because they probably don't even know what's what's being proposed tonight. >> Look around you, Kevin. I think I think yeah there's good representation of of
residents and they're they're the ones that have been notified. Now would you want you and your families to be subject to this? I I would assume that you probably wouldn't gentlemen. Um
now as far as silence in an ordinance in my understanding is not a permitted use even though our ordinance is silent on on salvage. I I say vote vote no protect all the residents that are here tonight. Thank
you. Okay. Thank you. Well, swear to tell the truth. >> Uh, Harry Kennedy, I swear to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. Okay. >> Uh, all of you are younger than me, >> maybe. >> And some of you were born at night, but
nobody up there was born last night. Uh, all of us understand cost benefit ratio. Once in a while, you're going to bend a little bit, and you should bend a little bit. Once in a while you're going to get a great gradable.
Maybe you'll get a uh wonderful non-offensive solar field. Maybe that should be approved. Maybe you'll get a great tax rateable at some point. Maybe that should be approved. But as someone has served this township as its mayor
and has served on the freeholder board as Mr. Conwell and Mr. Dilvio have, I'm very familiar with tax rates. And you understand what a trailer on a paved lot will bring you in taxes. When you say 000000
all the way across, we'll pay the rate that is assessed to us by the township. That will be virtually nothing. Although I'm pretty sure they won't get a tax pay. But in any case, gentlemen, cost benefit ratio. What benefits the
residents of Franklin Township? What in a residential agricultural zone is best for the residents? What is best for the residents that use Franklinville Lake? What is best for the residents that use Little Mill Road? What is best
for the residents that ride a school bus every day? 5 cents in taxes, not 5 cents on your tax rate. Virtually nothing on your tax rate. Nothing. No benefit in taxes. Again, no benefit in taxes. 10 in
of stone on that property. Wow. I know your chairman isn't here tonight, but if he was here, he would tell you the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And 10 in of stone next to Franklinville Lake and in that watershed and with the
horror stories we heard from Glasswell is not a good investment for Franklin Township. None of you were born last night. None of you are stupid. You know what's best for Franklin Township. It's a very easy decision and I have faith that you're all smart enough to make it.
Thank you and God bless. >> Swear to tell the truth. >> I swear to tell the truth. >> Um neighbor on 3034 Drive. Get a little bit of a different perspective here. I grew up in El
Township. I went to BC. I served 20 years in the military. When I moved back to New Jersey, I always wanted to move to Franklinville cuz it's a rural place. I wanted to farm. I have 34 acres out there. We do farm it. Um it gets wet
back there. Uh I want to talk a little bit about the reality of spills. Um working as an aircraft mechanic is closest to 177 Fighter Wing. We have spill kits. We have hundreds of people. and the response is still, you know, not
what it should be. Um, we also have our water test and, uh, I don't know if they lower the standards, but they tell us not to drink it. So, we run a clean site, but we can't drink the water. So, you know, what's going on there? So, what I worry about is when they're bringing in these uh front end loaders
with these 15 ft forks and they're lifting these vehicles up, the potential to damage these vehicles further to create potential spills and that's going to get into our soil. Um that's going to get into our farmland and uh that's
ultimately going to affect everything. Um, now the landscaping sounds like it could be you, but I don't want to end up like these guys. I didn't know anything about carport until, you know, just recently. I don't want to end up like one of these guys
spending hundreds of thousands of dollars once they've ruined my sword. I don't want to do that. I struggle to to buy this property to earn the living that I have. >> Are you adjacent to to this? >> Yes, sir. Is that that big? Uh looks
like a farm right there. >> Yes, sir. Okay. So, um yeah, I I just I thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak. Um I I bought this property several years ago. Uh you know, uh real estate agents lied to me. Said it was
state property on there. No one could build. Great. Uh obviously that was a lie. Um now it's sold and you know they're going to try to put this thing here. And I I just that's my objection. Um and hope you guys consider that and
>> thank you. Thank you for your service. >> You can tell the truth here. >> Yes. >> Whole truth. >> The whole truth. >> Okay. Name and address, please. >> Thomas, 2986 Delta Drive will >> Okay. I don't know if any of you have
been on Shay Island, but there's no way you're going to fit two trucks going in and out back and forth. The trash truck just barely touch down there. You can't have another car pass it. And then if you're going to pull out on the Deli Drive, the tracking is going to have to
cross over lane to swing out either way you go and even turn in. And if you're going to bring a truck during the day, where are they going to park? You better going to get there early in the morning to get in and get out cuz it's going to block the road
up. So I ask you guys to vote no on it cuz it's supposed to be a culture. It's not a commercial and you're going to cut how many how many acres of trees and where's all that water going to go? So I'm asking guys to know. Thank you.
>> Thank you. How are you? >> Raise your right hand. Tell the truth. The whole truth. Nothing but the truth. >> Name and address. >> Raise your head. >> I'm going to try to tell my nervous system. It's not being attacked by
>> You're right there. >> I know. We are We are made to this to this property. We have a small farm small farm. We've been here for 9 years. We bought this residence to raise a family and because we love friends and village nature. I grew up with my mom
and my aunt. My mom from the hill. My aunt off the road since I was a baby. Grow around horses and farmland and that was the life, right? That was the life we worked over. Um I'm going off script. I typed something
up and I just it just doesn't feel authentic. I know why we need to drugs. I know why we need Cookar Auto and to take care of things like insurance funds and flooded cars and fire patterns and car accidents. I've gotten in a car
accident my truck. It probably ended up at home. I don't know. What I have a problem with is where they're trying to close. It does not belong. I've walked back there for the past 9 years with my kids, my dogs. I mean, people ride, you know, horses and claws back in the field
there. It's not just trees. It's not just wetlands. There's milk back here. There's native perennials back here. There's bald eagles that live back here. Besides the fact that Sha, yes, is currently 16 ft road gravel. I'm all for paving the road, but not at the cost and
the expense of the safety of my children, our neighbors. There's only three three houses on that road. One is on Delta and Shay, and then there's my neighbor and I that phase each other at the very end. Um, I'm up for progress, but not at the cost
of the safety and the health of the residents. I'm not going to repeat everything that everyone already spoke about beautifully with the environmental hazards. Um, Marathon's environmental impact statement is an absolute joke. I read that when I did my homework records
report back in May. Um, to say there is no significant change in this area is an absolute utter lie. there will be a huge devastation for this area and anybody who walks that property will send a drone up there would see that um it's just not progress. It's erosion. It's
just not what we don't get this. So I'm I'm voting no. I'm hoping you vote no as well and that you maybe find another lot more suitable that's already highly commercial where you don't have to destroy the integrity of our Thank you.
Sorry to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. I do. >> Name and address, please. >> 71 now. >> Um, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. Our town's rural character.
Thank you for allowing me to Tonight. Our town's rural character is intact. But if this variance is granted, that ends. We are here to prevent a catastrophic land use error before the first bulldozer arrives. This land is
zoned residential agricultural, and I'm here to ask you to uphold the integrity of that designation. We have a chance to keep our water safe, our air clean, and streets quiet. I've come to learn that from December of 2022
to October 2025, there have been at least 12 Copart lot fires with a total of 400 destroyed vehicles. Two of the fires were even on the same property. Just one of the fires that destroyed 50
cars required at least 15,000 gallons of water. Here's the most terrifying reality. This site has no hydrants. A salvage lot is a highdensity fire hazard. If a lithium
ion battery in a wrecked EV enters thermal volume or a spark ignites a fuel leak, our fire department has no immediate water source. They would be fighting a toxic chemical fueled inferno
with tankers while the smoke laden with hydrogen cyanide drifts directly toward the neighboring homes. Placing a high hazard industrial fire risk in a residential area is a violation of the most basic tenants of public safety.
Copart's proposal involves bulldozing the woods to create massive crowded lots or sea. In a residential zone relying on private wells, this is a recipe for a public health crisis. Every vehicle
Copart accepts is by definition damaged. We are talking about thousands of cracked engines, fuel tanks. When it rains, the toxic soup of salvage will leech directly through that gravel into
our shared aquapor. And honestly, I am sick for the immediate residents facing this assault on their quality of life punctuated by the roar of legal engines and the incessant fear of truckloaders. Those within a 5m radius, and I am one
of them, are at the mercy of the winds. I am confident that the board will enthusiastically deny this variance and its fundamental incompatibility with the land. >> Thank you for your consideration. >> Thank you.
>> Good evening. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth. >> I do. >> Name please. >> Paulie 19. >> Okay. >> Thank you for allowing me this week. Uh I was alerted to this situation uh just
about a week ago uh through and I'm very glad that I was able to come and support the residents who are funding this. Um I just wanted to say just in sitting here some of the things that have come to my mind this property is zoned residential
agricultural and I don't think that they provided any adequate justification to provide them. Um I'm confident that after you are hearing their presentation and the township residents that you will come to
the con conclusion that this is a risk that the township should not take. Um I they didn't answer the question of what percentage of Oklahoma's vehicles that they would be storing here um have damage that may be at risk for gas or
other fluids. You are probably aware that municipalities and counties are responsible for all uh pollution or storing water. Um when properly used, we talked about the chemical FM 186. When
properly used, wafers can be listed as non-hazardous waste. What guarantees that they offer that the company will follow best practices and that the and we know that the compounds that this chemical is supposed to eliminate are partial death. U but that was something
I didn't want to share. Um, I thought it was a little laughable that they were educating you on your land for home. Um, as if you don't know what it is and that they actually made the case that since they're going to be providing some
landscaping and because it in a negative way, I just hope that you can see that we are against this as >> THANK YOU.
MARGARET Bar tell the truth. >> I'll tell the whole truth. Yes. >> Okay. Your name again? >> Margaret. >> Address road and forest road. >> I just wanted to tell you that it's uh
38 38 39 acres. It's 10,000 trees that they're going to cut up. According to their paperwork and uh also according to their paperwork file in our town that 184 trucks a day,
carriers, trucks, tractor trailers to fill the yard, 5,000 cars. Thank you. I got to give credit to some of you people out there. You're doing your homework.
>> Hi. How are you? >> Okay. How are you? >> Just try to tell the truth. >> I tell the truth. >> My name's Dean Hamill. I am um located at 716 Grand Avenue. I'm actually just beyond
that the little point there at the top. So, um I drink coffee right there. Um I might be just beyond 200 feet away, but I wasn't notified at all about I found out from online sources. Um all I got to
say is that environmentally it doesn't make sense to clear all that acreage. I mean, we know that there's protected species on that land. I'm I'm in real estate. I know that there's other properties in Franklinville that house protected
species or not endangered species. Um, besides that, the waterway, I mean, we're talking Middle East Franklinville Lake and then it runs all the way down to Northeast River. I mean, this isn't just affecting our town. It's also not just affecting just our water. Like,
that's just right there. It's affecting everyone that's along this water source. It's It just doesn't make sense. I know you said economically um there's nothing else that you can do with that property because of the power lines on the power lines and whatnot. There are other
options. If you want to sell the property, sell it other uh department of environmental protection under 3 acres. You can make a profit that site and then the land will be protected. It there will be no actual BUILDING direct directed to us here please.
>> I'm sorry. Um, I'm trying to make this quick. I know I only have a minute left. Um, zone purpose exists for reserve residential character, protect agriculture, open space, minimize environmental impact, and high density
commercial or industrial operations. This does not fit the current RA zone that you guys purchased the property or that they purchased the property as. They knew what they were purchasing when they purchased it. um they just decided they were going to get this D1 or C2 varants and we're
going to pretty much slide under the radar because they think that there's only like two residents that are on the street that are actually going to say anything and it's not going to work that way cuz there's a lot more people who are going to be affected by this. That's all I got to say. I'm not going
to repeat everything that everyone else has said. I swear to >> Ramsey. I swear to tell the truth. >> Okay. >> I came here tonight. I thought there was a planning board. >> Your address? >> Uh 104 Duck Row Road, Monroeville Road. >> Okay.
>> I thought there was a planning board and then I seen this. I thought I would hang around and see what was going on. >> So, you're kind of nosy, aren't you? >> Yeah, I'm kind of nosy. My my son got in an accident in his car in North Jersey and it ended up down here in Glasbrook.
I'm thinking there's like 8 1/2 million people in New Jersey. They say there's 250,000 wrecks is what I heard tonight. You know, it's uh most of the people are up there. Most of the wrecks are up there. Leave them up there. You know,
I tell you and it isn't just Little Mil Road, Deli Drive. If this thing goes through, you're going to see these all down carriers on every road. It lost I'm a truck driver. Lost truck drivers going to come in from every road possible to
find this place. I worked at a junkyard as a kid. I've been to three different co- parks in my life on the truck driver. And they seem like they do a really good job keeping it clean for the most part. It's not as bad as the junkyard I worked at as a kid, but it ain't perfect. And outside that outside
that coke part is not Coke Park. And that drips. And if it's dripping there, it's dripping in there. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? Okay. >> Tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. I
>> name >> Chris Traa. 250 training Dy Avenue in Roseville to address comments that are made about not being able to speak as having a direct taxpayer to the Pent Franklin. We all went to school
together. We all know each other. I have blood that lives here. I have people in the audience that already spoken on my blood. I consider brother but we all care. The school board regulations are dictated by state. I'm personally
curious if uh it's going to be management for resol retention problem there that's going to have my teeth but you guys are doing um if you see employee during the day I didn't hear anything about at night
there's a fire at night what's going to happen who's going to know first >> they say they have set hours I believe 8 to 5 So every day when they're at night alert is there any kind of suppression emergency management system for night
fire when no one's there? So we have we can't monitor the facility all fires create they talk about making li with the batteries and I know about that um
township most you guys already know about all the alley development that's been for years up to the mountain just drive once that finishes and you can see how fast it has moving this 55 as well you've already noticed the uptake traffic as approved.
Um, regarding the variance directly, previous council spoke, um, does the benefit of property tax on a mostly on page site plan out the detriment when we already have designated area? >> Thank you.
>> Okay. Make a motion to close the park. >> I make a motion. We >> come on. Wait for the last minute. That's >> where to tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> Okay. Name and address. >> Barber Halurn Harding Highway, Franklin
Township. I don't live anywhere near this, but I'm very concerned about it. First of all, I got the land development general zoning provisions prohibited uses in all zones, not just the residential zone. This is prohibited in all zones and it's also
they talk about sign. Well, it's outdoor store. We don't allow outdoor store. Also, it says what's prohibited is not just hazardous or offensive and it shall not uh constitute a public nuisance by
reason of dissemination of toxic, toxic, or corrosive smoke, odor, or dust. We just heard dust issue from the gentleman who's being screwed over and who's very ill. So, we've already pointed that out. result in noise or vibration exceeding
the average intensity of noise or vibration occurring from other causes at the district boundary line. The people on Chay Avenue, their properties will be unusable. They won't be able to use their yards because the fumes from the trucks, the vibrations from the trucks will destroy their homes
and uh their entire college life will be screwed. Walmart might as well come in and ask their homes now because they won't be sellable and they'll be and like I said, they won't be able to use their yard. I live on Route 40. I can't use my yard without putting this carbon
filter mask on to go out my front door. I can no longer garden there. I actually purchased a property in Millville so that I can garden there and live here. That's how bad it is. When you live in
an area of high truck traffic, you will not be able to use your home. It will impair the zone and especially those on shed. They will lose everything that they had. Uh endangered surrounded areas by reason of fire explosion. Yes. Um
there's been multiple fires on multiple sites. I have my brother who checked for me, Googled for me. He only found the ones that made the news. He only found the ones from 22 to, you know, fairly recently and there were 12 of those and
at least one of those articles mentioned it happening more than once. This is a fire hazard. It's under the high tension wires. Another thing contribute to pollution of water. It will result in electrical disturbances in nearby residents. If there's a fire, they're
going to have to cut those lines until it's under control. especially with electric cars and how volatile with winds, everything else. If you read the general prohibitions, this fits into a T. It doesn't look anywhere in our town. Not in highway commercial, nowhere. Our
master plan is basically trying to protect us from things like this. And we need to follow it. And we need to follow our own ordinance that doesn't allow this. Thank you. I make a motion we got >> second.
You got one more 36. >> You have to tell the truth. Okay. Make it quick. >> Quick. The road is very narrow. Actually, part of the road is in my property right now. The way it's shaped, the way it's sting, and then it ends
right in front of my house. So, somehow that whole road has to be developed. my property. I moved there all these 22 I think I buy a house I do for 15 years now it's basically going to be worth it
100 back that's going to be there probably >> okay thank you I make a motion we close the public portion I second it >> okay how we voting on that nay
Okay, public portions closed. I think um it's up to you. You got any answers? You want to rebut any of this? >> I'll just I'll just follow the >> first with regard to he
no >> first with regard to the uh the gentleman who talked about Maybe someday you'll get a uh nice solar array. You can put that in. Uh far and away the biggest part of my zoning business over the last 3 years has been attempting to
permit solar arrays in different parts of New Jersey and Pennsylvania. And interestingly enough, you get the exact same thing. I've had way more people come out in a little township, little hamlet where there's only 900
people total came out to oppose a solar array with the same arguments. It'll destroy property values. It'll wreck the community. Uh it'll destroy the character of the neighborhood. Same thing. I don't dispute by any means the
good faith of the people here. And I'm glad they're out because it's important that we participate in something like this. But if you think that you're going to get any sort of development, no matter what it is, and nobody's going to come out and nobody's going to oppose it,
I would have to suggest that that's uh that's that's an incorrect statement. Uh as far as some of the other issues go, um obviously we're under the uh obligation to follow state rules, D rules, fire marshal rules, all that sort of stuff.
So the idea that we're just going to do our own thing um again where I did not uh uh you know I I I I think that's pretty ridiculous. Uh even if you grant
the use fairings which we hope you do uh that just brings us to the portion where we have to start getting permits and all of those permits require your involvement the state's involvement council's involvement. So again, it's entirely up to you and
you have members of the community out here. Uh but uh as I said, uh for the the woman who said you thought you would just, you know, slip this by. No. I've been doing this over 40 years. You don't slip anything by. Anything that can anything that can impact any property
where somebody can make a claim against it, you're going to have a crime. And always the people who are against it are going to have about far more numbers than the people who work for it and exhibit far more passion and you're going to end up in the same place. So I
appreciate the importance of the uh rural area, the importance of all of that. I get it. Uh but you're going to have to make a decision as to what is the future uh of the town. Are you going
to be Sing. >> Stay exactly where you are. >> Let the man speak. >> Let him speak. You got your tongue. >> He has no time. >> By the way, the people who uh came out
against that solar array were uh >> I won't let you >> anyway. You don't need to you don't need to go there. the uh no they they they they were very respectful. >> Uh I had my position, they had their position. Uh but it's up to you. I mean you're you're the ones making the
decision and we leave it in your hands. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else have any questions? >> So we're dealing gentlemen. We're dealing with the with the use variance first requires five affirmative votes to be approved. Um
as their planner indicated and as our engineer planner indicated in order to overcome their burden regarding getting a use because this is in a residential zone. It's not a permitted use. So they have to show that it promotes a general welfare by citing the
purchase of the zone. You have to show site suitability that this site is particularly suited for this use even though it's not a permitted use in that zone and reconcile why the governing body chose to keep it residential and
not allow this use to be listed as a use. So if they carry the burden regarding those three things that they can have their east stranded if you feel they have not um they should not
the planner correct okay anybody with any comments one thing to do >> I make a motion to deny and and and the reason for denying is fact that it's it's zoned residential.
There is places in the town that have they're commercial that you could go to and possibly put your business, but there's no reason to have a business where it's zone residential agriculture.
I'll second the motion. Mike Hall. >> Now you understand that vote yes. That means you're voting no, >> right? You're voting a vote of yes is not approved. And if you have your reasons, it would be appreciated if you
would stick for whatever way you vote. >> Yes, >> Mr. Brook. >> Uh, I am a no. >> Can we read? >> As in I'm a I'm a Yes. Exactly. Are you >> I am a yes to deny.
>> You're a yes to deny. >> No outdoor. No outdoor storage. >> No outdoor storage. You said >> correct, >> Mr. Petum. >> I'm going vote to uh deny and and and I just like to say like you ask for
reasons. Um I I think that in in the right spot. I'm not sure. and and we have a place in this town for that. Um I think would be okay. Uh my big concern is I try to put myself as if I lived on
Sha Avenue, right? And and not only that, I'm a I I served on the A board and you know, open spaces and and keeping things the way you know the woodland together and I'm a big supporter of that and I know everyone
here is also. Um that so that those are my reasons why >> you are a yes. >> I'm a yes. >> Mr. Paulo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Daryry. >> Yes. I gave you a reason. >> Mr. Hammer.
>> Uh yes. And um while I listen to all the residents and all their concerns and take them all to heart, I I don't want to mess on this solely because of the residents. Uh I I think that that low sh that site will never work for that
volume and that major concern fire activities that we have on properties do not >> vote yes. Um, I just think the traffic coming on Deli Drive and backing up of trucks and just the overall um, you
know, blocking of those people of Shab um, like you said, it is a small road. It's basically single lane and I just think it's going to cause a lot of uh, traffic and back up on the main roads there. >> Mr.
>> I vote yes. and I don't believe it's an appropriate site with the bodies of water that are in the back and the sides. Uh that that's going to cause an issue. And when you got all those cars, we don't know how many it's going to get. It could get 100. It could
get 500. And I don't think that'll work for that area. And that's it. These bars are denied. So you will not be moving on to the second. business. Okay. So now you got four trucks coming
out. more people. 212. >> We're not the meeting's not even talking to John. We're not done yet. >> Well, actually, not too well. This is done.
>> We going to adjourn. They got nothing left. >> That's it. >> Have the hammer. So we need a motion to adjourn. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> I make a motion. We adjourn. >> Do we have any closing business? No, I don't think so. >> Do we have any business resolutions?
Anything like that? No, there's nothing. There's nothing resolutions. 5 hours. Can I adjourn this meeting? >> No, we ain't got nothing. We got nothing. >> Oh, thank you guys. Yeah. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. Make a motion to >> I'll make a motion we >> nine.