Let's take the roll call meeting to order. >> It was right here >> again. Hang on. Uh, where I put it? >> Paul said he was going to be here. >> This meeting of the Franklin Township Environmental Commission is called pursuant to the provisions of the open public meetings law. This meeting in
December 1st, 2025 was included in the list of meeting notices sent and advertised in local papers posted on the bulletin board in the municipal building posted on the municipal website and has remained continuously posted as the required notices under the statute. In addition, a copy of this notice is is
and has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the municipal clerk. So, taking roll call, um Paul is absent. >> Yes. Um, Walter, >> he's expected. >> He'sed. Y
>> Ted Shakes here. >> Maria >> here. >> Ez, >> he's absent. >> Okay. Um, Arnold >> here. >> Um, Ellen >> present. >> Dan >> present. >> Robin
present. I think that's it. >> Yes. >> Um, report from the environmental commission chair. Some of you may be surprised. I was supposed to be in Jackson Hole today. >> So where? >> In Jackson Hole, which is why I told you at the last meeting. It was my last meeting.
>> Right. Yeah. Right. Right. >> So instead, I got to sit at Newark airport yesterday for 4 hours and >> Oh my god. >> Tomorrow. >> Oh, it does give me a chance to share some thoughts that I kind of bolted. >> Well, thank you for coming and presenting. And I I may not stay long
because the flight we're on is at o dark 30 tomorrow morning. >> Oh, okay. Oh, dark 30. I'm not flying anymore. >> Flight attendant term for very early in the morning. >> I refuse to fly cuz they can't guarantee your luggage will be there when you arrive. And that's already happened.
My >> luggage is already there. Oh, okay. What do I do for you? >> Um, I would like to share some thoughts after six years on the Environmental Commission. >> Oh, wow. Um, I really encourage you to bring your ideas and your passion and
your followth through to these meetings and to support each other. Support Maria's ideas. Support Stan's ideas. Support Ellen's ideas. >> I'm a little whack. >> Don't just sit here and Okay. Plans. Bring your energy.
>> Oh, great. Um, I encourage you to think of creating a commission or a committee, excuse me, for commissioners ameritus. So when there are those of us who want to continue to support after years of service, we can do so and still make
room for new commissioners. >> I like it. That will be >> that keeps fresh ideas, new blood coming into the commission. I know many of us have served many many years. There can be a way I think we can serve and still
keep vitality coming into the commission and new thoughts. >> That's a great idea. Um >> I encourage you don't be just a placeholder. Franklin needs and deserves the best that we can give.
And that is the chairman's report. >> I love it. >> Oh, that was great. I'm glad you mentioned emmeritus because um you are the author >> and because you wanted me to >> Yes. I And I think ameritus is a position of distinction. >> Yes.
>> And it's a way to serve uh and still allow. >> Can we vote for that now? >> Um can we make a motion for it? >> Can you a little bit maybe elaborate then? Yeah. Because it's a position that is non voting, right? >> Yes. It would be a non it would be a
committee like any other committee that could involve volunteers helping >> but it's a bit of a committee with distinction because it has the title of ameritus >> and emmeritus commissioner that would be the title >> or commissioner ameritus >> commissioner ameritus like a trustee
emeritus >> yes >> and technically it would not be member of the environmental commission per se >> right it would not be a voting member of the commission >> and how will they meet do you think like quarterly decide. >> Yeah. >> Let them decide how often they would
like to meet and in in what capacity they could bring assistance to the commission. >> Yeah. >> From all their experience, >> all your experience. >> Yes. >> Um I I think I don't think it would necessarily require a change of ordinance because any other committee we
form doesn't require an ordinance. It's not a voting position, >> but it may help encourage people to step on because they realize there's a chance to be heard and also a chance to perhaps
cycle off but stay a part of things. Yeah. >> So glad you thought of that. That'll that'll help us keep you involved. It's >> like an advisory in a way. It's like an advisory, but it's an advisory who has paid their dues. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I think it's important to perhaps
wait till fall is here >> to vote on it, >> but I think it has merit. I like it too. >> And it is essentially a lifetime position. I think it doesn't need to be uh reelected, right? So these people
>> and I think one would self- select off. It's voluntary. >> Yes. As long as they're willing to do it, >> participate and show up and I think >> I love that >> it would be appointed by the chairman or
by the commission would appoint who would be a commissioner ameritus. People could say I think it's time I would like to be considered and the just like the board would approve a committee member. >> Yeah. >> I think it's a way to swell the ranks. >> Yeah. Not intimidate anybody. Um,
>> I have been sending the minutes to former members for quite a long time as I mentioned this afternoon. >> Yes, >> of course. I don't think Stephen Macgyver can participate since she's in Dallas, but
but Mary Loco could. >> Yeah, that's correct. >> Oh, excellent. >> Or maybe Diane Pesky if she wants to. Yeah, I mean these are all talented people. >> Uh Mccyver, what was her first name?
>> That that's who Ted just mentioned. She lives in Dallas now. So that might be tough. >> Seal. >> Oh. Oh, Seal. Oh >> yeah. >> So they they could meet on Zoom. >> Only Macyver, not Seal. >> Yeah, the Ammeritus could meet amongst themselves on Zoom if they wanted to.
But it I think it it could add a nice dimension to the commission. And speaking of being outside of New Jersey, you know, she could maybe bring some observation that something is there that we don't have. >> It's true.
>> I know Melba Batten even if even when in her 90s she was living with family in Boston. She participated in open space committee meetings by phone. >> Yes. Mhm. >> So, I thank you all for giving that some
thought. I think it has some merit and it's your decision to make and um I trust you'll do what's right for the commission. Um but this is we are a poster child of a township. I mean with
our open space funds are 33% of the township being preserved green in one fashion or another. one worldclass university at one end of the township and another one at the other end of the township. There is no reason we shouldn't be doing the finest and the
best of ideas in a very diverse setting. >> I never thought of it that way. >> I mean Princeton is pretty nifty and they've got their sustainable Princeton and all the diversity. Yeah, this is a different laboratory and
it can be quite exceptional if we invite the best and the most enthused and the brightest of the of what Franklin has to this task. Um, we could be setting an example. It doesn't always have to be
Montlair and Maplewood and Princeton that are doing these things. >> Franklin. >> Yeah. >> Thanks, Robin. So, moving on. Um, the minutes. Everybody have a copy of the minutes. Want to make a motion.
>> Move to approve. Second. >> I'm sorry. Second, Daddy. >> Okay. Okay. Any discussion? >> Thank you, Ted, for taking this
for all of us widening broad across the field. Um, all those in favor? I >> I >> opposed. Do we have a quorum? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You are still there. >> You're still here. Yeah. Yep.
>> All right. Um public comment. >> Open. I move to open to the public. >> Second. >> All right. Okay. All those in favor? >> I >> Hello public. >> Hi. >> Hello. >> Anybody want to Jenny want to speak?
>> Um I don't really have anything. I just I sent the article. stand. I don't know if you've got it in the attachment. Sometimes it's weird when it's folded, I think. Right. You >> I uh have a pile of I I shouldn't complain. It was a holiday now, right?
You know, I was cleaning up and >> Denny wrote a very nice piece on Skip the Stuff. >> I know. She always does. >> That was is for the consumer and the restaurant tour. >> Yeah. >> Ended up being in one article. It just as I was writing it, it made more sense to do it that way. And I think if um
Bill will be might be interested in looking at it, >> you can send it on to to Bill. >> I don't know, Bill, if it's possible, but we we have this logo for Skip the Stuff that we'd like people to get used to seeing on restaurant doors. If there's a way to include any graphics in
a PD, that would be great. >> You always have an image. So, that would be the image. >> Thank you. And um I I think if Sarah could find out when the Franklin Times is next going to print, it would be a good piece for the Franklin Times.
>> It just went recently. But yeah, I will I'll find out. Absolutely. >> By the time it goes out again, it's like passed or something in the state. I can rewrite it to >> write that or something. >> And we can put it on the website, too. >> Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And we can put a
link on social media and everything. So, yeah. Yep. Once it's approved, the article and everything, just let me know and I can get it posted. >> I I do um I I think it was approved by the communications committee. >> Okay. >> The people want to read it before we
give the Okay. >> I'd like to read it. >> Okay. >> Before you You don't trust us. >> What? No, I do tr I'm a reader. I'll read anything. >> Okay. Can we get your approval prior to reading? >> Oh, yes.
>> Post prior to reading. You're funny. >> I read my cereal box every morning. There you go. >> Um I also do still need to make the change that the one business and it's good to go. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you'll make the change and then you'll send me the final version.
>> Okay. Perfect. Great. >> I think you may have everybody's email. Just send it. >> Yeah. Send it to everyone. >> That would be great. >> Anybody else? >> Public. >> No. Thank you for coming. Good to have you here. Um,
>> I told my daughter wanted to say hi. >> I saw her email. I >> I told her when was there last time she might be there at this time. She's busy. Anyway, I move to close the public. >> Okay. >> Second. >> I'll second.
>> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Correspondence. >> No correspondence on my end that I have. >> And Paul's not here. He usually has something, but It will have share with you. >> Yes. >> Um and site plans number six.
>> We have no site plans again. >> That's going to be short. >> Yes. So it can be short if we But yes, no site plans. So >> I think maybe walloped in January. >> That's probably going to happen. But yeah, we'll just enjoy it right now. >> Okay. Then moving on to new business. Um
we need to recommend an EC commissioner to be the representative to open space because I have been serving in that role. >> Correct. So, it's tied the the role on the open space advisory committee is tied to your membership here. Um, I did speak to Paul. Paul reached out to me after because this was on our last
committee agenda. He's interested in doing it if no one else is, but he would like to do it. Um, but you know, he even though he's not going to be here tonight, he wants to keep it on for discussion. So, he says whatever the commission agrees to, but he's he checked his schedule. He's can do it and
he's interested. How do people feel about that? >> Arie's already on the open space advisory committee. So, so that's good. Covered there. Ted, of course, has been there. Yep. >> So, boss,
>> anybody? >> She's in favor of Paul doing >> you comfortable with that, Stan? You comfortable with that? I was going to also nominate stand for >> No, but he's already said he would like >> Okay, then. Yes. >> Okay. >> No. Yeah, we didn't just do it because
he's not here. Could you imagine? By the way, Paul, you are. >> Let's vote him in. He's not here. So, all those in favor of um Paul serving as our OSAC representative. >> I super opposed. Okay. Congratulations, Paul.
>> Y >> Paul's our chairman. Paulinski, >> we didn't get to grill it. >> Not here, >> right? >> I'll send a memo to >> express interest. >> I'll send a memo. A memo. I'll send a memo to our clerk. It most likely will just start in January when the reappoints are made.
>> Makes sense. >> Um, next is Clean Storm Water and Flood Reduction Act, the storm water utility. >> Okay, let me just write this memo for Paul. Okay, I got right on my to-do list. Um, okay. So, I went through the Clean Storm
Water and Flood Reduction Act, um, which is commonly referred to as a storm water utility law. Um, I know we've been talking about it a lot, but I'll just go through some notes I took quickly about it just so we can understand. Um, so the law itself is NJC 40A 26B.
Um, so right now across the country, there are 1500 storm water utilities in service operating across 40 states. There's four in New Jersey. Um this act establishes clearly the ability for municipalities, counties and sewage
authorities to operate storm water management utilities. Um that can be done by resolution or by ordinance according to the law. So um and it's for this is in quotes for the purposes of acquiring, constructing, improving, maintaining and operating storm water
management systems in the county or municipality. um there is the ability to enter into a shared service agreement. So for example, if we want to partner up with another municipality or if we want to partner up with the county, you have to have at least two municipalities in that
instance. But not that that's on our radar right now, but just to put it out there that that's an option. You >> know, a question there. We have a working group with the lower >> Yeah. Rarit. Yeah. >> Yeah. Lower Aritton or the Milstone Watershed. The watershed crosses
multiple municipalities but doesn't cover any of them entirely or corre um there's a few that are not covered. Yeah. Yeah. >> So >> would that be an acceptable com combination as well under the act or
>> I believe so. So it doesn't address like where places aren't fully covered but I'm assuming that if a portion is covered and you're going in as a shared service I'm assuming it's okay. It's not addressed directly. That could be another way to do it. And there's already some ground work starting on that, right?
>> Remember that >> a storm water management plan is being prepared by a consultant for the entire Milstone River uh watershed.
>> Correct. Yeah. >> Includes a lot of towns. Montgomery is entirely in. >> Okay. >> In the Millstone watershed. many others are. And I'd also mention I was just this evening reading town
topics from Princeton and Princeton is considering having a storm water utility. >> Oh, that's great. >> So it it could be that this consultant could come up with a plan that might be a guidepost for Franklin to have a storm. >> Potentially. Yeah. Potentially. Yeah.
And I think a key element of this is the fees >> could provide a revenue stream for doing these making these steps that would help protect the >> correct. Yep. Yep. >> And people our suspicion is that
uh the manager and does not want a storm water utility because you would lose flexibility. >> Dedicated funding. a dedicated fine would be dedicated. >> Yeah. >> Well, there's so there's the whole
section in here about exactly how fees can be um reasoned out. So, um municipalities have to and again this is in quotes may charge and collect reasonable fees and other charges to recover the storm water management utilities costs for management. These
fees and other charges may be charged to and collected from the owner or occupant or both of any real property which originates storm water runoff. Um, one interesting point is it's very clear in there that it has to be fair and equitable approximation of the proportionate contribution of the storm
water runoff. So based on how much impervious cover, how much stormwater runoff you're generating, that's how the fee has to be approximated. >> And then there are credits for doing certain things. What's next? >> Encouraging behaviors. >> When establishing fees, the following credits must be considered by the
municipality. So, the municipality can give credits for um properties that are maintaining and operating storm water management systems that comply with state standards that were in place at the time and that are continually and effectively reducing, retaining or
treating storm water on site. We also have to look into credits or partial fee reductions for properties that are operating and maintaining current best management practices that reduce, retain, or treat storm water on site and are approved by the municipality, county
or sewage authority. Another one is for properties that have installed and are operating green infrastructure that reduces, retains, or treats storm water our site and exceeds requirements. So that green infrastructure in order to be eligible for a credit it has to exceed
any green infrastructure that you may be required to have for storm water management already. Um there's also exemptions for uh properties that are actively donated that are I'm sorry dedicated to active agriculture and horicultural use. Um this is so this is
an important point. Any county, municipality, or authority that operates a storm water management utility has to pay 5% of all the fees collected or $50,000 annually, whichever is less, to the state treasurer. That money goes into the state's clean storm water and
flood reduction act fund. Um, I think I talked about last meeting Maplewood in their first year, they generated over $800,000 in fees. So, paying the $50,000 is really not, you know, a heavy lift. and the D provides guidance, they
provide oversight, they give technical resources. So, it's really so that they can manage it and it's also going into this clean storm water and flood act reduction fund um which can only be used for these activities. So that's the
initial establishment and associated administrative costs, capital expenditures which is planning, design, engineering, acquisition, construction and improvement, operation and maintenance, development and improvement of a stormwater management plan and control ordinance. Any action required
by an Egypt permit um which is the New Jersey pollution discharge and what is it? >> Emissions. >> Emissions. Ted, do you know what it is? the E NJ NJIFties >> discharge elimination system New Jersey
pollution discharge elimination system um monitoring inspection and enforcement and it covers public outreach and education which is great um any unpaid fees. So if a property owner is not paying their stormware management fees on time they get uh charged an interest
rate of 1.5% per month until such p fees are paid in full. Storm water utility fees are eligible for leans and they're only superseded by property tax leans. So you if a person is supposed to be paying a storm water utility fee and
they're not paying it, a lean can be placed on your property just like if you don't pay any other municipal bill that you have. Um there is a reporting requirement. So within one year of establishing the storm water utility, a report has to be prepared and submitted to the division of local government
services and the D and posted on the uh township's website. And this has to be done annually as for as long as you have a store utility. It has to include information about the service area, the schedule of fees, charges and credits, the number of properties by land use, so
residential, commercial, industrial, and then how much of each is, you know, contributing to the fee. And then what's the overall fees collected? Um, and then what's the percentage and amount of revenue spent on allowable purposes under the act? Uh, what else here? So,
privatelyowned storm water management systems can be or the property to do so can be donated, gifted, granted, condemned or purchased by the municipality, county or sewage authority to do this. So, kind of like a open space almost like a person can sell it
to the town. Interestingly enough, if you donate your say you give your storm water management land or property, you're still responsible for fees. Doesn't ex exempt you from fees. You don't get a credit for it, but it is pay. >> You just don't pay the taxes. Correct.
>> Um, and then lastly, D in consultation with the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities and the Division of Local Government Services are required to development a guidance manual. So, um, that has a lot of technical resources in it. There is the example of Maplewood,
which a lot of places across New Jersey have been looking at. Um, and then the clean storm water and flood reduction fund. Just so everyone knows, this is where if we were to do it and we have to pay $50,000 annually, our money, everyone who's doing this goes into the
state's fund and it's a non-lapsing account in the general fund, the state treasurer credits the account with all of the fees and these funds can only be used for planning, implementation, coordination activities. um also including water quality monitoring
assessment, non-point endpoint source pollution and reduction projects and the implementation of the DP storm water management program. >> Great. >> So Robb to pay correct. >> One last thing from Maple what I went and looked at how they did their fees
exactly just because I was interested to see what they did. So they came up with a unit that they call an equivalent residential unit. And basically what they did was they averaged out what's the average size of a house or what's the average impervious coverage rate of a property in Maplewood. And they found
that the average is 3,123 square ft. So what they did is they bill rateayers at 0.5 eru. So the good news is they rounded to the nearest.5 and that's up or down. So, if you are closer
downward, you won't get charged the full >> one ER. And this is a good thing because it really does help like kind of balance out the different uh income levels and equity issues. Um, one thing that the Maplewood uh staff did say is that they
have their municipal engineer kind of running this and he basically said for the first few years you really need a person that is knowledgeable and they can kind of do this as part of their full-time job or have a job for it because he has to answer a lot of questions from the public. He gets a lot
of inquiries for credits of course. Um, he has to do the report annually to the DP so someone has to do that. Um, someone has to make sure the fee gets paid every year to the uh, NJP and also someone has to be reviewing and
prioritizing and documenting projects that are completed with this new revenue source. So, it's a job for sure. Um, not that it can't be done, absolutely can. >> It could be job shared with another municipality. >> Well, and then you know the the money that comes in it does cover
administrative fees. So part of the salary can be covered by I think fringe health benefits cannot be covered but the salary itself can be covered. So once you're up and running you know >> and u I was about to ask so the
collecting uh the fee is on the same schedule as property tax. >> Um I believe so. So Maplewood that's how they do it. I don't think that it it's not in the rules like it must be on the same schedule. I'm assuming that's probably the easiest. Yeah, I would assume.
>> Yeah, it's probably the easiest thing to do. Yeah. Lowest cost. >> So, do you recommend we pass a resolution if we agree and encourage the council to explore set up a feasibility study for a stormwater
utility? >> I mean, that would be the first step is to do a feasibility study. I think now that there's a town like Maplewood and there are three others that are operating a storm water utility. I think that now that we have someone to kind of understand how it works, the legislation is enabled. I mean, I think it's worth
looking into. >> A year ago, Senator Smith told me that there was money to fund feasibility studies. >> Okay. >> Because they wanted to encourage towns to do that. >> What does it take to do feasibility study? >> It takes money. You pay a consultant who
looks at your >> they'll basically now the first thing they would look at is do you have an impervious coverage assessment which we do. We had one done by Ruckers through the green infrastructure project we just did. So the first thing a consultant will do is look to see how large is your area how much impervious coverage is
there and how much impervious coverage is there by land use type. So residential, industrial, commercial, institutional. They'll kind of break that down and then say, "Okay, if you were to charge whatever the going rate is, basically, this is how much you would make, but
this is how much it will cost to to begin it and to operate it." >> Study will actually give you numbers that will suggest who will pay how much based on how much >> general it'll give you an idea of what you should charge, how much you can charge, and then it will tell you is it
is it feasible? Are you going to actually make enough money for it to be something worth it? Yeah. Now, the last time we did our green infrastructure study and we had the impervious coverage assessment done, if you'll remember, Franklin had it was like 41 or 41 to 44%
of impervious cover. So, I mean, we're we're up there. So, >> probably more right now. >> And now I'm sure it's more cuz I was 21. >> Look at the warehouses. But I I think that um as you were reading it, I was uh thinking about
those applications where when you have impervious coverage, I don't know 30%, let's say, and they systematically ask for a few a little bit of an extra like 31 30% we could have a treatment for that that
the extra um which was approved fine, but whatever is extra would have different rate. >> That's a you can and you can do that. That's a great great idea. >> You incentivize keeping >> Yeah. You can have, but you will pay 10 times more for what is approved. I think
that would be something that a a feasibility consultant could help us. >> That's a great idea though. I love it. Yeah. And then the money that we generate, so again, Maplewood generated $800,000 in the year. They are able to use that for, you know, pipe repair and
uh infrastructure repair and use of green infrastructure. >> Greenardens, >> green, you can use it for all that. >> What is the relative size of Maplewood versus us? >> Uh let me see if it smaller population, smaller area, but higher density. I
think I think they're higher densities. Let's see if >> percentage of >> impervious cover. >> Impervious cover. >> It's it's a Newark size in the ballpark whether we would collect. >> So this is from Maplewood. I don't I don't know if they have their size in here, but they have 1812 storm inlets,
39.3 miles of storm pipe, 80 storm outfalls. Oh, let's see if it has it here. >> Here are some of the projects they did recently funded from the road program. So, this is a different program, but they've had to do drainage improvements, a lot of them. Stream cleanups, a
drainage extension. >> Drainage improvements. >> Yeah. Let me see if it says anything. >> You're a good model. >> They are a good model. It doesn't I can just Google how >> I feel that New Broning was first who had stone water utility.
>> It may not be as well fleshed out as Maplewood. >> Let's see if it'll tell us how big Maplewood is. When did they implement the utility? Is it recent? >> Uh last year. Last year was when it was up and running. Yep. And they actually
got a grant from sustainable Jersey to do the feasibility study. They started in 2019 with their feasibility study. Now, but keep in mind this was before there was the enabling legislation and other examples. So, it took them a while. But in their first year, which was last year, they had a huge success.
are good models to follow. Yeah. >> 3.88 square miles. Maplewood, New Jersey. >> Yeah. And we're 48. >> Yeah. So, they're a lot smaller, >> but they are more They're dense. They got to be denser. >> So, I
>> I would recommend and I'm going to leave now. I'm going to go to bed. um that you determine if you want a resolution and would be best seeing if Anjek or Maplewood has a
sample resolution. >> Maplewood definitely does. Yeah, absolutely they do. >> The resolution they they um presented to the council to encourage this. I think >> this is just real quick. This is Mabelwood has a whole storm water utility page on their website. And so
I've been looking at it and trying to go through but here's see here they have an or they did it by ordinance ordinance establishing the storm water utility >> but I think a resolution from us to the township encouraging >> recommending recommending formation. >> Got it.
>> Uh the a feasibility study to explore the formation of a storm water utility. >> Got it. >> If you guys want we can definitely draft that resolution and send it in. was our best resolution right down there. >> What do you think of this idea of having a storm water utility?
>> I think it's a great idea. >> Would you be willing to craft a resolution to encourage the council to consider it? >> I was going to talk about working on something else tonight. >> I can draft it if if you want and Arie can review it or anybody can review it. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> But I do need a I need an actual I need an actual motion to do that. >> So move second. All the discussion to have Tara draft a resolution. Okay. All those in favor? >> I All right. Unanimous approval. Thank
you, Tara. >> Awesome. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Robin. >> Maplewood. >> Uh, yes, I think so. Yes. >> All right. I'll let Tara run through the rest of the agenda with >> I can run through it really quick. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Robin. All right. And
enjoy your trip. Be careful as we get there. Thank you very much. And I hope I will be seeing you all again. >> It'll be great. >> I will. Sometimes they sit right below our kitchen window. >> It's fun to keep an eye on them. Yeah.
>> And a moose, too. >> Oh my goodness. >> Look at him. >> Hey, Walter. >> I I was on the road and I >> Oh, it's all right. Don't worry. Bye, Robin. Um, okay. The next thing The next thing on the agenda is the quote for the
business card. So, >> happy new year. >> For 500 business cards, it's $45 from the Somerset County Print Shop. Um, it's not bad. >> No, it's it's really not. It's not bad at all. Um, they can do it in color, double-sided. So, on the back will be
the QR code. >> Um, I'm just trying to see if they sent me yet. Uh, but anyway, oh, uh, is this just the quote or is this Okay, here we go. Yeah. So this is what it would look
like basically. So that this is like the front. Uh and it just has our name, our logo, here's our email address, it has our uh like tagline there. And then the back is just for more information with the QR code. And then has the Facebook,
Instagram, and X handles. So if anyone's interested, um but yeah, so they can do 500 in color double-sided $45. Does that work for everybody? more color. >> Um, >> it's better, >> I think.
>> Can you show the back side again? >> Oh, yeah. >> I think probably with the color, it's good only because it's kind of like a lot of It'll be easier for people to differentiate when they're looking real quick, like where the contact information is. >> Okay. Yeah. So, it's basically just two
colors, black and green, >> right? And blue. Three colors. Yes. >> Um, I was thinking, do you want to put the QR code to a side and leave room on the other side for whoever's passing out their card for a person to put their
name and phone number if they're talking to people? >> Uh, so we looked at moving it or making it large. So any smaller than this, it's really hard on a business card to scan it. >> Nothing's smaller. >> I know what you're saying. to move it to make room so that we can still fit the handles and everything on there. We have
to make it we if it was anywhere but the center, we'd have to make it like a little bit smaller. >> Um, we can get rid of the handles or we can get rid of some of one of the handles or something. >> By the way, uh, speaking of the scannability, I have very bad experience with QR codes. I would rather make it
larger. >> I tried. Well, so that's the thing. I had it larger originally, but then I can't fit the handles. We can get rid of the handles or we can just put the Facebook handle or the I don't know. Maybe the text for more information like if the font is smaller. >> No, the please paste it. You can get rid
of >> or we could just get rid of where it says for more information cuz the QR code is kind of selfexplanatory, right? >> Yeah, >> I could do that. >> Um, >> okay. Hold on. Let me write this down. >> And if if the QR code can be large, it
can be as well off center leaving space. Then we can make it bigger >> so that people can put their name next to it. >> Okay. So, for the business cards, we're going to remove um for more info.
Enlarge QR code. >> I thought you will remove on the F tech >> and move to side. I'm sorry. >> I thought you will keep one line. For more information, please visit. Oh, so to keep it in there >> one line and one line. Okay,
>> because when you eliminate the second line by eliminating the on the F tech because >> obvious you can make the QR code larger, put it on one side. >> Okay. >> And then you will have a block that it's
blank available for adding stuff. So, it's just going to say for more info, please visit. >> Yeah. >> Or I can just say for more info QR code to the side larger. We still want the handles there.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That that nothing is wrong. >> Handle and then leave empty. Okay. Okay. I can do that. >> Have to see how it looks. >> Yeah. So, is everyone good with that with those changes ordering it? Like I
said, it's only $45, which isn't bad. We have money in our budget for it. >> But Ted's comment about colors. The the logo has multiolors. >> Oh, that is true. The logo has black, yellow, >> blue. >> It's a it's a photo that was uh
modified. >> Well, I'm sure they they can do a version that's say in green or >> Yeah. This is the quote they gave me for the with the logo on it and everything. So, yeah.
Is it meant to be a proof? >> Yes. >> Well, then it has no colors, >> right? Right. Yeah. >> Okay. I'm okay with that. >> Yeah, >> I like it. >> It looks a >> I think it's good. >> I mean, I I'm not sure whether we need
the logo to be framed, but I I'm okay with that. >> Okay. So, with those changes, we're all good with ordering the business cards. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. All righty. Cool. All right. So, I will make those tell them to make those
changes. We'll get a proof and then >> how many are we getting for $45? >> 500. >> That's for long time. >> Now, there was also something you said in the quote that it would be $40 if
they mailed it to us, but not if we >> pick it. I just go there and pick it up at the county building. The last time they printed stuff for us, it's just, you know, I just go get it. Yeah, cuz it's $40 to deliver it. >> So, yeah. All right. All good. >> All right.
>> Okay. >> Why we never did this before? >> I don't know. >> This time has come. >> All right. So, the committee reports are next. Oh, I'm writing on the wrong page here. >> Okay.
from from the education committee. Um everything there's no new information. >> Okay. >> We'll still continue um with um presentation of compost. >> Mhm. >> And the communications committee
prepared the flyer and now we're looking into see what distributed or >> I thought we agreed that it will be distributed. probably was. >> Mhm. >> I I just about to check it because uh you know how it is. We ask and then it
doesn't happen. Um wait, there's no no new information. just the flyer. >> Yeah, because we're supposed to >> on January 8th the presentation. >> Yeah.
>> Um the energy and infrastructure doesn't have any news either. >> Okay. Anybody else? >> Um I do not see the advertisement on the front page.
>> It's probably not up yet. So, I just requested that that be posted today cuz we said the last meeting we would do it after Thanksgiving >> so that it wouldn't get like, you know, wouldn't get like mangled. >> Remember that. Fair enough. >> Um, so yeah. So, they'll I'm sure
they'll get it up tomorrow, I guess. I hope the next day. >> Um, anybody any other committee reports? So I have just update regarding stream uh inspection. Uh in addition to those that I inspected
last time and reported, I also inspected the Ritan Brook, which is the stream that um don't know where exactly it starts, but uh um it's passing across um a pierce
street or uh and over there there was no garbage. Uh then I went further to the area of Ukrainian church. Um and again you know the pattern is when there are no people no residence
that there is no garbage. So there was a little bit debris on the side of the cemetery because on the other side of Renbrook is cemetery it was not enough to call for um cleanup. Mhm.
>> Interestingly enough, I found um in that area encampment uh tent. >> Oh yeah, >> I didn't approach it. Um and then um going closer to uh Eastern Avenue and
that's probably already on record. There is a walking bridge between the area of Ukrainian church and the cemetery and that is collapsed because tree fell on it. M >> there is a yellow tape. Okay, nobody
goes there. But uh the way how and I should have sent you pictures so that people have an idea. It doesn't look good. Let's put it this way. Um and perhaps because we have very little um
rain, >> uh we do not have issue with that. But um I mean if you want to take a look at it um >> well well presumably the church will want to clean that up at some point
>> so that a funeral could proceed from the church to the cemetery. >> Yeah. You see? >> Thank you. >> We'll get more photos like that. But um so it could be potential uh flooding
hazard. Although the area upstream above it when we were inspecting it, Arie. >> Mhm. >> It was a little lake. >> Now it's almost dried up. >> So there is a capacity. Okay. >> I remember when we walked over that bridge too.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So now we cannot walk. Um I also had to inspect another brook which I think could be called Cedarbrook. It goes uh between uh lake uh lakeside
driver and uh Emporia. It's private property there, right? So it's uh it was not really polluted but uh some people um deposit some waste on the side of the lake lake view drive how
is it called side so um but other than that um things look good you know so but we settled for seis run so I just wanted to a little bit of
give update on the other streams Yeah. Wherever are people, there is garbage. >> Yeah, that's the truth. >> Yeah. Say six mile run which has
never has anything along it. >> Doesn't have garbage. >> Yeah, it doesn't have garbage. It has some >> maybe some thrown in at North Brunswick, but >> no, not even that. Oh, you mean at the
intersection with the Route 27? >> Well, yeah. >> I didn't expect that. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, I was thinking stuff could wash down from the road. >> Well, what I observe is that uh within the band of 10 to 20 ft from any road,
there is a garbage. >> Yeah. Um and then um again regarding the residential uh if there are residences near stream you got a garbage. So and granted we do have garbage at
mile run but uh after previous inspection I made again comments that I submitted to the township manager to do something about that area. do not just leave it open as is because it uh
it just uh brings more garbage over and over again. So if we clean up people may take it as an invitation that okay somebody will clean up after us. So it's not exactly the message that we are sending. So
>> what do you think it would be something that the township could do when you're talking about the town manager doing something? Well, there was an idea to create a trail in that area. And if you have trail, it uh gives a a perception
of, you know, public uh >> access >> access. And so people do not throw stuff >> or maybe less. Another >> I remember there's a point where there's a a slight pulloff area from the street
and there's a no dumping sign up there which does not prevent people from dumping. >> I I took a photo with that and next to it garbage. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Thanks for reminding me. that
>> I'd almost suggest taking down the sign. >> Yeah, that was the that was actually um the first time I was um Yeah. Oh, well, another thing is there is a a vehicle
on a trailer and this is now mile run. Okay. And the trail has wheel that is detached from the rim. So the the vehicle on the trailer cannot move and the trailer
cannot move. >> Oh jeez. >> Which is like >> um the picture uh that I was talking about. Yeah. So that's you have the sign do not
dump here >> and there you have new garbage. >> It's amazing how people don't read or refuse to read. >> As I recall the first time we cleaned up there >> they do the opposite actually pull the
car body out at that point >> that I don't remember. That must have been >> that was before your time. >> But there's even spray spray job on the side. Do not talk. Right. As if whatever. >> Oh, I guess it's their freedom of speech.
>> Expressing themselves. >> Oh, yeah. >> Don't tell me I can't do something. >> So, yeah. Um, another option would be to put to put fence there with a gate that would be lockable. I don't remember what
was the argument against it because it's public. So anyway, but um I also suggested to put the dumpster in there, but it would fill up very quickly. >> That's the re Yeah, that would be >> mattresses and everything.
>> Should be one of those that report to the township when it's full. >> So yeah, leave it to humans to do that. So yeah, we've got a problem. Houston,
>> no bad big problem. >> Oh, I wonder if we put up signs. This area is being monitored. If everybody knew that it was like big brother that they were being watched. >> Well, that and that is also suggestion. You can put a fake camera there.
>> Yeah. No, I know. >> It looks like a camera, right? >> I'm sure. >> But I was just thinking crazy thoughts. That'll be a challenge for everybody to do. >> What? >> I said that would be a challenge for somebody to overcome that. But, you know, >> Yeah. Put up your shirt hoodie or
whatever. Yeah. >> Anyway, uh what's so attractive about that area for it's along Route 27, which is pretty busy. >> Well, um well, it's uh Hamilton. It's not Route 27, but uh the area is um
there are lots of poor disadvantaged people. Um now why that would be a reason to dump I don't know because how much people pay for garbage in that area that they don't want to pay for
garbage. Maybe if the township pays for for garbage disposal in that areas. >> Yeah. >> Plus this is also New Brunswick problem. >> Do we need more trash recepticles? and they would probably dump the trash right next to the the bin.
>> Wherever there's a a street in an area that you know is not right adjacent to a house and it looks as if you could pull up there and throw out garbage. People throw out garbage. >> But then if you have a pulloff like at
that sign that absolutely attracts garbage. >> Yes. You could unload a whole pickup truck worth. >> Yeah. >> But if you try to have a trail, it would be nice to have a trail along the stream
except it would go up and down. Up and down because a lot of gerries going down. >> Took the rock last year. >> You pretty much go only up. >> Yeah. >> From there you are at the ground level so to speak. Then you have to go up
towards uh the other church the bizant >> and then you cannot go down again. You are still up >> and all the way to I think it's Hawthorne Park >> and we could maybe uh do exit somewhere around the Pine Grove. I don't know
but um it would be interesting. Yeah. >> Well, there is or was a bit of a trail coming up paralleling Dussi's brook which of course joins Mile Run right there.
>> This is the brook that goes behind the Pine Grove School. Exactly. >> Yeah. >> So that's where you would go this and then back along the other brook. >> Famous from the Hall Mills case.
>> What case? You don't know about the whole mills case? >> No. >> Oh, you got to wa read that about that. That's very interesting. There was like a big murder, like a murder. >> Oh, >> a township. >> I did read the >> minister
was having an affair with a young lady of the congregation and their bodies were found with their throats cut. >> Just on the Franklin side of Dussi's Brook there. that allegedly having
>> Well, it would have been all Frank. >> Is that the one they like brought her in in like her bed, her hospital bed, or am I thinking of a different >> Yeah, I think >> testify at the Somerset County Courthouse. You have to be brought in in her hospital bed. I remember that. Yeah. >> Who was this?
>> It's Oh, it was in the early 1900s or >> 100 years ago. >> 19 The murder, I think, was 1922 and the trial was 1926. It's really interesting. Yeah, it's super interesting. Halls Mills, it's called Halls Mills.
>> Yeah, I forget which was the reverend and which was the lady from the congregation. >> Yeah. >> We should see that on dine soon, right? >> Right. >> Well, it it was
the biggest case of its sort. I mean, until the OJ Simpson case. Oh wow. >> It was that scale. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah. >> Because there were fewer people in the country in those days, but it it was
nationally watched and and the I think it was the reverend's wife and a couple of her cousins were indicted but were not convicted. I have a whole book of it, but Oh,
>> it's super interesting. Yeah. And speaking of the trail, there could be also possibility to make a pedestrian bridge across to New Brunswick because as the residences are lined up on the
other side of Mile Run, there is actually area that is I don't know considered access point to the brook or public or something that could be >> a interesting branch. take five years to get a deed.
>> I was just thinking the same thing. >> Strong idea. >> It's a good idea. Absolutely. It's just especially multi-tuned municipalities crossing a stream. >> I'll be by the time I'm like I'll be dead by the time it's
>> feasibility study. >> A feasibility study. Yes, you are right. Yep. >> 5 years. But then they'd find a box that >> I'm going to use that from normal. >> Yeah. Any other committee reports or No.
>> No. >> Any hot topics? >> Um I wanted to bring one thing up. Um something that I'd like to go back on and if you all think it's worthwhile, I'd like to take a shot at doing a draft of an um leaf blower ordinance.
>> Yeah. Oh, >> I like it. Yeah. So, the last guidance we got from the township manager is that if we want to have an ordinance done, you don't have to we don't have to draft it as if it's an ordinance, but put down exactly what like should in like a memo
form almost >> and put it incorporate it into >> correct. Yeah. So, this way you don't have to write it with the exact ordinance language, but you can say like here's why we need it. Here's any backup like information you have and here's exactly what should be put in it in terms of >> reference to other ordinances.
>> Correct. Yeah, you can reference other. Yeah, >> I like it. I think that's a great idea. >> Maplewood was we mentioned Maplewood today, but they were probably first who had ordinance against that >> and Princeton they had very very uh
detailed study before that and they do have one. It's It's not as strict because they want to have lots of leeway and they offer $500 incentive to um attract landscapers. Yeah. >> And they have money, you know.
>> I like it. Yeah. If you want to work on it and then let me know when you want me to put it on the agenda and we can you can present it and talk about it here. >> You don't have to put it on the agenda until I tell you because >> Yeah. When you're ready, just tell me when to put it on the agenda and then Yeah. >> Can I ask what is the purpose of the
ordinance? noise reduction. >> Princeton has such an important blow on the queue. >> They would Princeton everybody blows their leaves into the street.
You'll see, you know, long piles of leaves along the street. And one locker says it's illegal. Who knows? And then I want to bring um >> block. I'm sorry, but I just want to comment on what Ted says. I believe it
probably is illegal because it blocks storm source. >> Drain. >> Oh yeah, >> the drain water. >> That's what our adopted drain program deals with. >> Yeah. in North Brunswick, you know, if
you drive there to Route One along the uh street there, um they they pile the leaves up on the on the curb. Now, I don't know whether they're picked up or not, but certainly in the interrum, if there's rain and a flood or anything like that, it blocks
the drains, but >> it's very much in in vogue there. I remember back in the 60s when it was all they weren't leaf blowers but it was rad out to the curb. >> Yeah. And then you burn them. >> Whoa.
>> Yeah. I remember burning leaves. It was absolutely a sign of fall. The smell here. >> Well, then you returned the nutrients to the soil, right? >> Yeah.
>> Put them on your lawn. >> Yeah. >> Oh my goodness. Maria, you had something. >> Well, I received this about uh New Jersey citizen action and it's a bill that they're trying they're want to oppose which is the S4876
that will drive up already high electricity utility rates and um they're making a campaign because um the taxpayers will be paying for
a couple of things. Oh my goodness. Legally and permanently hook hooks rateayers into having to pay higher rates to a new nuclear power plant with no opportunity to review ever review or revise the policy even if
the construction of the plan goes bad. It will also disallow a review and revision of this study of this subsidiary if federal credits are extended. This leaves New Jersey rate payers unprotected and vulnerable to rate
increases that may not be contributing in any way to the construction of a power point and could be simply petting a generation company's profits. So I don't know if we >> which organization is having this campaign
>> New Jersey citizen action. >> So they might be something that we want to look >> we can look into it. Yeah, >> we can definitely look into it. Thank you. I'll look into it. Maybe we can talk about on the next >> in in practice. I think
uh the reason we have not had any new power nuclear power plants built for 20 years or so is just too expensive. Mhm. >> Well, it's going to be uh at the cost of the taxpayer the way they're crafting the bill.
>> And and we we were hoping as a state that we will have wind, right? And now we don't have wind and energy consumption goes up. >> So, >> and and then if if something goes bad is we we are going to pay for that. If they
do something wrong, they're neglected. The taxpayer is going to pay for it. So, >> yeah. I have uh one more announcement to make also regarding um watersheds. Uh Lower Raritan Watershed
Partnership is going to have annual potluck dinner. >> Oh, I saw that. Yes. >> Saturday, December 6. >> I saw that. >> In New Brunswick, everyone is invited. Um I have registered. Um if
can can you put it on the >> lower watershed partnership potluck? >> Yes. >> Okay. And you want to >> um >> just pull you want me just got the email. >> If you have email yes
>> I'm pretty sure I have it. >> Uh look at my other email. >> Do you have a search function? L WR L R W
>> P. >> Okay. So then hold on. It's in my Terara Canyon. I know. I saw it. >> No, I've seen twice. >> Hot luck. No.
>> Lower rare water. Oh, here it is. Uh. Huh. Well, here we go. >> Okay. Yeah, December 6th. >> Uh, and it is uh pre-register if you hit the
link pre-registration requested. Um, so this is the link and then uh when it comes up um it starts uh 6:30 or 5:30, I don't know. Sorry, it's working. >> So, state climatologist will be present
>> 5:30 at 9 Bay Street, which happens to be >> Oh, here we go. Okay. >> Uh, Saturday, December 6th, 5:30 to 8:30, First Reform Church, which is at 9 Bayard Street. >> Bring a dish to share, including a
recipe print out with ingredients. And you'll need they'll provide the reusable plates and yes you can register if you'd like to go. >> Some board members are >> Franklin residents.
>> Um Missy Hoser she's the spouse from uh Dave Robinson. Dave Robinson is state climatologist and he's uh I think he's now retired professor from Rkers, right? Or is he still there? He's he's still there.
>> Okay. >> Well, at least when I I get things from local u rainwater >> measurement. >> Yeah. >> He and I think is his graduate student
or some sort of associate. Mhm. >> You mean the state people were in charge of cocoa? Well, it's referred to as cocoa ras, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. You the other guy Matt Gar garbage. Yeah. I
invited him and he will be also there. >> Yeah. >> So, so it's going to be good crowd and the food is really delicious and desserts and um some alcohol, you know. So, >> well, thank you, Stan.
>> Yeah, that's cool. >> So, that's uh end of my report number two. >> Awesome. All right. Uh is it okay we move on to old business? Yeah. Uh so, the environmental stewardship awards were on
the 25th. Um I know you were there, right? Paul was there. I spoke to Robin for she said Jessica was very happy to receive the award, which is great. and I received a thank you note from Dr. Lou Grand from Franklin Township Schools and
he was also very thankful and appreciative. Um we gave out the two certificates, the two plaques, so it was really very good. >> We forgot about that. >> That's okay. Yeah. No, it was great. And I, you know, uh council member Vasnik spoke on it.
>> The date was listed on the previous uh agenda as well. >> Yes. It's okay. >> What' you say? >> It's all right. Well, we knew Paul was going and Walter was going, so yeah, we're all set. >> Yeah,
the most important people were there. >> So, we are all good. So, it was it was very nice. uh the lead for city certification and cohort. Maria, I know you were kind enough to set up a meeting, right, with >> um it's it it seems like they um the
director of sustainability uh he sent he set up the meeting for to for and he included all the emails of the environmental commissioners. So if you're available to attend, it's from 4 to 4:30 on December 9. >> Yeah. And I had wrote to you, I'm not
able to make that day cuz I already have a pre-existing meeting, but you guys can catch me up because I know that's the one that works for everybody. So, >> I put it on my calendar. It's Tuesday. >> Yes. >> Put it on my calendar.
>> It's 49 at 1. >> Yeah. But if you guys can just kind of fill me in, that would be great. Um, >> Tuesday. Yeah, it's interesting because um I think it is competition to sustainable Jersey.
>> I I think so to from what I read for it is set up very similarly and they're really focused more on the buildings and the you know the properties. Yes. So there are some things Sustainable Jersey does that they don't do, but it's very very close. Yeah, I agree.
Um the potential partnership with the Franklin Township Astronomy Club. So I am working with them on uh getting them on one of our agendas to talk about the dark skies work that they're doing and light pollution. So that's going to be in the new year probably February or
forward because January we'll work on our vision and goals talk about annual report but they're still very interested. They are working closely with the trails advisory committee which is great. Um so yeah so so far so good there. uh the leave the leaves program. I don't know if anyone has anything to
say about that or any other updates. >> We were discussing it uh with the public, right? >> No, that was skip the stuff. >> Oh, the skip the stuff. Yeah. The last meeting though, we talked about for next year about getting the sign with the I
took those. That's for next year. So, nothing new for this year, I'm assuming. Right. >> Okay. The appointment of the youth member to the EC. That's I I checked in with council member Pataznik. So he says that's still under discussion. So no update there. >> I think that we have this item here
every single time. If we do not have any update, I would just take it off the list. >> I can I like to keep it on there only because it kind of keeps it in the mind of the council member and other people are try. But if you prefer for me to take it off, it's easy enough for me to
I just don't want it to go completely away. That's all. >> But I I'm good to honestly either way. I don't see any movement happening like in the near future. >> I don't really >> I get it. Yeah. Any other old business?
>> Uh no. Well, this is not old business, but I think this time we typically go over the calendar of our meetings for the next year. >> We approved the calendar already. >> Did we? When was it? >> Two meetings ago, I think it was. Yeah,
it's already been published and everything. >> You want me to put it up on the screen? >> I have been. >> I think she was sitting there. >> I was going to say it. So, this is our calendar. >> Talk about it. >> We're only meeting once in January because of Martin Luther King Day.
>> Oh, now when you show it. Yeah. >> Yes. Uh we changed the date. >> Why I forgot it? Because I remember when Walter was doing that, it was a calendar like this. It gives me a visual and then we >> more
um no that actually is how I have to give it to our clerk and so it's you know so it can be advertised in the newspaper and yes so that's been approved um at the next meeting >> and in February we'll have when was it
>> um let's see >> we have two meetings >> February 2 yeah February 2nd and 23rd We had to change the date on the second meeting because of President's Day. >> Then we're a regular out until uh July. Just a note, I won't be at the July 6th
meeting, just to let everybody know. >> Um September 7th, we are changing that date because of Labor Day. Um >> we are adding 28 >> potential meeting date.
>> Yeah. Why am I looking at the old one? Oh, all meeting dates were approved by the Franklin Township and Fire Management November 17th to September. >> Yeah, >> it's a difficult one. Then we have Yeah, >> September 7th. I think I I'm looking at
the draft. Where's my regular uh cuz we talked about it. EC meeting title 2025. H Did I not save the changes? Okay, hang
on. I go to my regular notes. Uh >> because we are much more likely to do August 31st. Wait a second. Isn't 31st the the when is next year? Uh the um
labor >> Labor Day is September. >> Yeah. Well, Labor Day is always the first Monday. So, >> yes, we >> The 7th will be Labor Day. >> Yeah. Why didn't I leave the changes, though?
>> August 31st should be the one. >> No, we talked about August 31st and it was decided not to have it. But why didn't I take these out is the question. >> What's wrong with August 31st? >> We decided not to have it because nobody wanted to have it on August 31st.
That's why. >> No, we we did it before. Right. >> But it's unnecessary though cuz we're meeting the 3rd and the 17th. >> Yes. But then you are adding a 28th which is one week after and one week before the October. So correct. So you
have >> within two weeks you have three meetings. >> That's true for September. But I think everyone did not want to do it in August because of vacations and things like that. >> You can always put it on the calendar. It's easier to take it off if it's on a calendar.
>> It's easier to cancel. Okay, >> I won't be here for that one. Just so everyone knows if we do do that, I'm away. >> So that was the reason. >> No, not because of me because everyone decided against it. But I definitely will not be here if you add that on away. >> We definitely can't have a meeting on
Labor Day. >> No, we will not have a meeting on Labor Day. >> And I don't know whether >> I have here that it was approved the 17th, but why didn't I I must have not taken that off for some reason. Now I'm having like a a >> Is this why my memory is like what's
going on here? >> That is strange. Ann Marie, hang on here. Ann Marie approved TAC meeting schedule. Mayor's signature. I didn't send anything to Ann Marie. It doesn't look
like. So maybe did we not do it? I know we talked about it. Did we not do it? Do you have it in your minutes? >> I remember talking about it because I remember us discussing that it's easier if you put dates on there. It's easier to take them off than to add. >> All right. I'm going to add it to next.
I'm going to look and see what the heck happened here cuz something is wrong. I'm going to add it to next month's agenda and I'll let you guys know, oh yeah, we approved it this way or um we have might have to reapprove it.
So, let me add this onto next month's agenda. Um um meeting >> you mean the December 15th? >> Yeah, I'm going to add it to the meeting calendar in case in case for some reason cuz it looks like I did not save these
changes for some reason or I'm wondering if we didn't come to an agreement on the September meeting and that's why it's not changed. >> But whatever happened, we approved the minutes. >> We approved the minutes. It was approved.
All right, I'll put it on the next one. I'll get to the bottom of it and figure out what's going on. Oh, this reminds me old business. I sent out an email today, too. The uh Open Space Advisory Committee is having their holiday party again this year. They're bringing it back. All the committees are invited.
Um so it's on Monday, December 8th at Giovani's Italian Restaurant >> in South Bound Brook. It's $35 a person. Please bring cash if you're coming that night. and you can RSVP to me. >> Unfortunately, the JFK Democratic Club
is having its holiday party at the same time. >> Oh jeez. >> Okay, so this is Republican party. >> I'm not in CHARGE OF THE PARTY. I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF the party. I'm only the I'm only the email person. >> Oh my goodness.
>> Sorry. There is something interesting in this. I'm not in charge of the party. Well, for them it's the second Monday, which is when they >> normally have meetings. >> Interesting. >> I don't know.
>> Actually, I received a a text from Bob Lort today who's the one that's pretty much handling this and he asked if I was going um and he needs to know by Friday how many people as of today there are 13 people that were signed to go.
Well, I would contemplate not because I'm very republic, but uh I I need someone else from this group to be there because otherwise I feel lonely there. >> So, you're going to be there.
>> No, >> I'll be at the same JFK club. >> I committed to that before this was this date was decided on. >> Yeah. Uh, it's >> now I was going to come to the open
space until I saw this JFK club. >> Oh jeez. >> Besides the JFK club, we party is free. >> Can I join you? >> Cyclone Brewery. I don't think the beer is free. >> Oh, that's nice. >> Can I join you?
>> Well, it's obviously not mandatory. If you do come though, you have to bring $35 cash that night. That's uh there's no way around that. >> You're welcome to come to the JFK club, but you would have to join the club and that's only $25. >> There you go. So, it's still less less than that.
>> If you do decide to come, everyone, please just email me by Friday. Anyway, email by Friday if you want to come. >> May I ask? >> Yeah. >> Before we move on, I'm late. I'm just asking, can someone review real quickly the clean storm water flood resolution?
And I know Ted has it in the minutes, but what what transpired there in terms >> we talked about the um the actual act. I kind of went through and went through how the enabling legislation allows municipalities and counties to start a storm water management utility and
operate it and that we can charge fees >> for it. There's quite a lot about >> Yeah, I'll send you my notes. I'll send you my notes cuz I took notes on it. I'll email it to you and you can read it and if you have any questions, let me know. Yeah, I'll I'll email it to you right now. So, I don't
>> Maybe you can send them to me, too. >> Can you send them to the whole room? >> Sure. >> Absolutely. >> I'll send my notes to everybody. Yep. >> Beautiful. >> When is the deadline to register for the club and for your dinner?
>> Um, is it past? >> There's a they have a I'll talk to you at the end of the meeting. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, that's it. The only thing we have left is the public. Does the any public members have any comment or no?
>> No. No. >> Was a good meeting. >> I'm interested. >> I'm not going to the party. What do you mean? >> Um Okay. >> Does anybody There's no comment from the public. Does anyone want to open? What do how you guys want to do it? You want to open up and get no comment or you just >> I'll make a motion to open to the
public. Second. Second. All >> in favor? closed >> stain. >> No, I thought it was a good meeting. It's a >> name, address, and uh
>> what >> social security number. >> All right, >> I'll make a motion to close the meeting for the public. >> Second. >> All in favor? All right. Stain. >> Good to go.
>> All right. Arie, that was just motion to adjurnn basically. >> Make a motion to adjourn. Second. >> There you go. I got Ted. Yep. >> Become chair now or >> Yes, he now is. >> Robin passed it on to you. >> Robin passed on to me. But now
>> passed it on to me because at the time I was the latest uh >> That's true. German before, but then >> Walter showed up. >> So, are we a journal? >> I'm sending my notes. So, you have Robin left though.
>> He must be left. >> No, he just came. He just came when she was leaving. >> And besides, I just wanted to get it moving. >> There you go. Bye. >> All right. Thank you guys.