In accordance with the open public meeting act of the state of New Jersey, adequate notice of this meeting of the Franklin Township Environmental Commission was made by the posting on the bulletin board in the municipal building posted on the township's website and electronically transmitted
to the officially designated uh newspaper. You can take that out indicating that this meeting would take place in person at 7:00 on uh today is August uh fourth >> 2025.
>> 2025. >> Thank you for Okay, roll call. That over there. Roll call. Whenever you're ready. >> Okay. Uh >> I can have it. I have a name. >> Oh, good. I thought you were asking me to do it. I'll >> I know to do that. Not good.
>> Walter Andrew here. >> Is not here. >> Easy here. >> Robin's not here. Arnold. >> I am here. >> Ellen here. I'm here. >> Edler is here. >> Yeah.
>> And I'm here. >> Put everything down. I didn't write that one down. Okay, >> from the environmental I think have something short, but it might involve some discussion. Um, I found on LinkedIn
a notice from Harry Verar. Harry and I know each other about 354 years because he worked in some in Somerset here drive as I did. He is global head of brand communications and marketing
supply for signified which is at last count the largest lighting manufacturer in the world. He says the power to create a more resilient and prosperous future is now more and more in the hands of cities sometimes nicknamed
subnational governments. This is where the action is. Um, and as somebody from the place said that together with urban transitions missions, we are offering a free urban lighting audit to help cities like yours advance a more resilient and
decarbonized future. Why lighting? Because energy efficiency, connected lighting doesn't just save power, it transforms public spaces, improves safety, and drives innovation. What's included in the audit? erection will assess your city's body and and identify
opportunities to do this at no charge and uh that's uh that's I just wanted to mention that to everybody and um we might want to pass this on to um Mr. will see if they're interested. It's
>> free of our street lights bel actually belong. >> I mentioned that in my reply to Harry and he understood it says try premium for a dollar for zero. So it's it's it's a free order. I mean obviously they want to sell light bulbs. Yeah.
>> But um you get it for free and you decide what to do afterward. >> So that's something I think it might be worthwhile. >> Okay. Any approval of the minutes from the July 21st 20 anybody have any chance?
>> Second. M first. Is there any comments? >> I'll abstain. I wasn't here >> or I wasn't there. >> No. Um Walter, anybody has any other comments? make an offer to a a motion to accept the minutes.
>> I >> public comment. We have no public. >> We don't have to open the meeting to go to public comment. >> Yeah. Oh, you're good. >> Okay. Correspondence. There's a bunch of correspondence because I finally got into the mailbox and I'll mention a couple of these.
Devoy Associates notice to neighboring land owners, interested parties. Application submitted uh for 837 Somerset Street. Uh legal notice application extension of a letter of
interpretation uh from the D uh for a plan on the site. Um, it just says uh permit application can be reviewed at the for office and it doesn't really say there's a drawing.
Here's the drawing. >> Okay. It's for wetlands. >> It's a wetland, right? >> The address is on the >> uh 837 Somerset Street. >> Somerset Street.
The application is to extend the previous verification of the limit of regulated wetland and transition area. >> Okay. >> So, yep. So, basically they got approved once or they got a letter of interpretation once and this is to extend that um
the boundaries I guess of that approval. Yeah, it's at the corner of four and Somerset. >> Okay. this way. >> They have substantial amount of grass around. >> Uh maybe
that No, this is not their property. I guess this is the section between Route 27 and the building. >> That's copy. >> Oh, Ted's copying it. Uh I don't know. Um what is it even
something? Okay. Mhm. >> June 30th. >> June 30th. >> So they're applying to extend the per >> No, this is just for the delineation of
the wetlands. >> That makes you want to plan to do something there. They've got to know where >> they're looking for where wetlands the boundaries are. >> Yeah, >> that's it. that we're just getting notified that they're doing that. >> It's subdivided into so many noodles.
>> I'm sorry. >> These are all individual properties. >> These are all individual properties, but it looks like the whole um T can I see the paper one more time? It looks like the all the properties are under the one address. So, yes, they are. Yeah. So it
is >> Why was it divided like that? It doesn't make any sense. >> Because in the 1920s they subdivided like that lot. >> Yeah. It's all these tax slots. Yeah. So it's all of these. Yep. >> Cannot fit my house on one.
>> No. One lot's not big enough. >> What's that perpendicular street? Is that Veronica? Does it say >> Morhees? >> Morhees. >> 27 here. More. the DP I mean deep further >> in this direction
are >> uh here hold on I'll pull it up for you >> was a very small >> I just got this one first the whole thing a Now, this is not the D. Uh, this is not like D certifying this, but this is what
mapping shows. >> Really? >> They need to get an interpretation. >> That's why they're getting an interpretation. >> Yeah. >> Can you move to the north northwest north west that >> it's all partitioned?
>> I don't think they own that one. I think these are probably from the the statewide maps that are very generous. >> They are they're very generous with wetlands. But there's >> a little LOI somebody comes >> Yeah. >> and that's probably why they're getting
this LOI because on initial mapping it shows this. So they're probably like let's get an engineer out there and really figure out where the wetlands are. See if there's any buildable area. So right now there's nothing we can do about it. We got to wait for the LOI. Yeah. You have a road going right through the wet there.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. >> I think that it comes in squares. So, >> like you said, it's pretty general. You know, it's it's an estimation rather than >> That's probably why I would someone go out. >> Probably pixels from an aerial.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Does that boundary include buffer zone? >> No. >> This one does not include buffer. Once they get the line, then they can see where the buffers are made. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. I have another one, a new one.
This is interesting from the New Jersey Water Supply Authority. What they want to what they're telling us is they're going to be dredging the Delaware and Ren Canal. >> Yeah. Um, illegal notification. New Jersey water supplies submit application
authorization under freshwater wetlands general permits one and three to the Division of Land and so forth. Oh, the Delaware Water Canal was Now it gives you a history of the canal from 1834 operated a barge canal till 32. During
the 50s it was retrofitted as a public water supply transmission system which serves over a million people. canal forms a state park etc etc maintenance dredging program involves routine removal of accumulated sediment trash
and debris >> and other maintenance at various locations along the canal from Kingwood Township to its terminus in the city of New Brunswick and it does mention at the end um Franklin Township and South Bound so
it's all the way along >> yes >> and it it'll go to New Brunswick from from Kingwood T township all the way. >> They just did that too. >> Oh, yeah. They did. >> Under the canal. >> They do it fre they do it from every few years at different they pick different sections of the canal. Yeah. Never
notice. And I' I've cut away for decades and >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, they do. >> The most recent one ended sort of just before East Milstone. >> Yes, it did. >> Because they don't want to dredge next to the Lori Rubber property.
Yes. Yes. >> There are things there that are best left undisturbed. >> Yes, we get it. >> The Lori Well, what's known as the Lori Rubber Company property? It's that it's >> former company.
>> Uh trying to remember what was the Elm corner of Elm Street or whatever the street is. It's parallel to the canal. >> It's the last lot. It's just
>> a field now. >> But there was Oh, wait. In the 19th century, there was Fleshman Gin Distillery there. >> And then there was the Lori Rubber Company, which I think
maybe f functioned up until the 1950s. And then they were bought out. The company that bought it wasn't interested in that facility. It was the patents they had. >> Yeah.
>> They had some interesting patents, preparation of different sorts of rubber. So the building was left and was eventually taken down. So, are you saying that there's a potential uh
contamination site there? >> It's I think known that there's contamination in the canal sediments just off that property. >> Is that the area of the Anka property?
>> No, it would be upstream from >> up. >> Yeah. >> South Ammo. No, because the property is at the sort of the northwest corner of East Milstone.
>> So there is Marcus Street and William Street. >> One of these >> section I have it up on the >> We should go >> um >> Yeah, right where you've got the Yeah.
Elm Street and Market Street. those probably those two lots of up at the top. >> Are you still here? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that makes >> 60 lots 19 and >> they don't give you property information anymore, but yeah, I think you're right.
Yeah, >> maybe even I can see those four lots there. They may be all of those. >> Yeah, interesting. >> They don't really give you >> I don't I don't remember who
time that came up was known that there was some contamination because there was a lot of sulfur used in their processing. >> Yeah. The vulcanization of rubber. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Well, maybe there will be blueberries. because they like sour soil have >> um soiet that uh
>> so I will bet that they will start this dredging slightly downream. >> I would think so. >> Well, what it says it's going through four counties. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's the whole length of the canal. >> It is right.
>> Yeah. starts at Kingwood Township, Delaware Township, Stocktonboro, Lambertville, West Amwell in Hunter County, Hopewell, Ewick Township, Trenton City, Lawrence Township, West. >> This is maintenance they do every few years. Yeah. This is their typical
maintenance plan. Yeah. Yep. >> So, I mean, >> they did along the canal, I don't know where the upstream end was, but the downstream was at East Milstone.
Um, not long ago. Trying to remember. >> It wasn't long. Yeah. It was I would say three or four years. >> That's what they Yeah. >> And what they did was they temporarily bought from the county a
field >> right >> up from Canal Road in the vicinity of Old Georgetown Road. And they did this dewatering where they >> Yes. great cloth bags
and the water goes through the cloth and the sediment doesn't. >> Right. Right. >> And then they truck the sediment to god knows where. >> Right. It's true. Yeah. >> And then when it was done and they sold
it back to >> Right. >> Yeah. It's a whole operation. Yeah. Where does the uh the debris, the the sediment, does that go to a hazardous waste landfill? >> That I don't know. I'm not sure about that. >> We have to test it first to see if it
was hazardous or not. >> No, if there's any >> mostly the settlement of the canal was not hazardous, but >> I mean there's fish. We were walking around the plan by a canal Sunday and you could see fish going back and forth.
>> I think it might go just to composting. Yeah, >> there were people fishing. >> I love to see that. But >> they don't specify where this dredging will be. >> It just gives out the whole length of the thing. It says >> I mean they said >> the project area extends through the
following, you know, all that stuff and >> the whole length as one. >> Yeah. Right. Oh, the dredge material is temporarily stockpiled at the authorities designated site in Delaware Township under the county and then they'll haul it someplace else. This
work is essential to maintain the canal's hydraulic capacity and to allow the continued passage of water. That's the >> the the the next one I have that also was in the mailbox is this bio
blueprints from Transco. This is the Nessie pipeline and there were mentioned in in this one paragraph that says transco is proposing construction of compressor station number 206 in Franklin Township Summer
County and the construction of the Madison loop in township and save burrow middle county for the near sea supply enhancement project budget. I have not gone through the blueprints. I mean, you know, we we know what it's about and the
town has been fighting this. Um Trenton fought this about four or five years ago along with New York State. Uh and they they got it stopped. But when um things have changed and the um the new
administration is in favor of this pipeline and the >> local administration >> in Washington. Yeah. >> Um what happened here is that um I read the opening paragraph last time I think
because it says the pipeline that starts in the Gulf of America and proceeds through Louisiana all up into the state and then through New Jersey. Last time, as I said, New York and New Jersey were able to block it. This year, it appears
like the governor of New York is willing to say yes because the Trump administration has said he can keep his windmills and the windmill leases. Jersey has, you know, and they're killing all the other wind wind power
leases along the shore. So, what Jerseyy's going to do, I have no idea. MG >> we're standing alone >> D the when it was stopped before the main thing was the New York state equivalent of the D
>> right >> had objections about what they would be doing in prioritan they and then New Jersey DP followed immediately with a similar objection again Maris and B the
Big question is will New Jersey D stand fast or will they get run over? >> That's >> well the deadline >> may return >> deadline to submit comments was June 24th
>> for people who filed as intervenor or township file. >> If I'm not mistaken some uh comments were submitted late and they were dismissed. >> They were dismissed. one which was submitted late
u and I think it was like 700 p.m. when it closed at 5 from Clifford Higgins third younger generation of Higgins Farm behind which is where the compressor would be
>> because I remember that that notice had several names. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. >> Okay. So that one application had several names. >> Okay. Now just >> so that's uh that's the communications.
>> I have one thing for correspondence as well. >> Okay. >> Um so Lis Lisa I got the name Capso Caps Capsacal. Does that sound right?
Capsacal. >> Capsalos. >> Caps. Okay. >> She came to our meeting a few weeks ago. Um, and she lives in the property right next to uh our county Route 518 property, >> which is a big old
>> not right next to it. It's the house in between. >> There's a house in between. >> That's what she objects to. What that that the owner of that house wants to do, >> right? So, her her new um she sent in an email. The newest information is that
that neighbor which is next to our property also so it's her this neighbor that she's complaining about in our property that neighbor uh apparently has now put up caution tape all over the property you know some not all over but
around the perimeter of the property and she had wanted us to kind of you know intervene and tell them that they have to take their caution tape down and whatnot. It's not on our property, it's on their property. Um, so I reached out to planning and zoning and engineering,
all of which had said the caution tape is clearly there because the landowners put it there for whatever project they're working on. If they do anything to remove any trees or anything that impacts our property or is not allowed on their property, of course, zoning will go out there. And, you know, if they do anything that they're not
allowed without a permit, anything like that. So since that point, she reached I did tell her to reach out maybe to DP because I don't know what else to to say. So she did reach out to D and they basically said yes, you know, um caution tape can harm wildlife of course if like
they eat it, wildlife eats it or whatever. Um but again, there was nothing they could do. Um so she started a petition on change.org and it's basically like please take down the the caution tape. Yeah. >> So, she wanted me to bring it up at this
meeting. >> So, the question is why did he put up a caution tape? >> That is a good question. >> The relationship between these >> neighbor problem, I think. Um,
>> is that a property that we walked >> years or so ago on? >> Um, >> he showed up. >> Who showed up? came and there we saw there was a deer stand and there was and >> No, that is not that. Was that that No.
What property was that? You're right. Uh oh, we walked through a neighbor's property to get onto the back of our property. Yes. So, it is that property, but it's not You wouldn't have We didn't go through like her property in order to get there. Up on the screen, you'll see
this is like kind of a caution tape. I don't know why they're putting it there. on their property, on the neighbor's property. So, not her property and not our property. Um, >> what is the complaint? >> The complaint is that she's concerned that wildlife is going to eat the
caution tape and then she wants someone from the township or the state to tell the neighbor to take their caution tape down, but the state has said we can't and the township cannot. And you know, unless they're doing something without a permit or they're violating zoning or
permitting, but they're not. >> There's no ordinance or regulation saying you can't do that. >> No. >> Whether there's no guidelines with how to use caution tape. >> No. And I did have I said you should call D. I said I encourage you to call D
because maybe there's something that I'm not aware of. But basically the only thing they said is like yes if wildlife was to eat this caution tape that would be a problem. The same could be said for you know a lot of things. The same could be said for leaving out who knows what
on your property you know so >> getting caught up in it tripping breaking a leg right >> legs of deer. >> Tripping is unlikely >> but you never know. >> And she hasn't mentioned this to the neighbor. I'm assuming she's not talking to >> I asked her. I said did you talk to your
neighbor? have you walked over to your neighbor and she does not want to do that. >> I think one thing is that the neighbor bought the house but does not yet live live this whole thing about >> it was working on the basement and it
kept flooding. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Thanks. >> So I bring it up and that's all I can feel. She stopped by speak with her. >> Yeah. So she likes you. Yeah, she did.
When she heard you were at Getty's last meeting, she's like, "Oh, great." You know, Ted's always so helpful. So maybe you can. I don't know. >> Yeah, because I I know I went there. See, her first complaint was >> the wood road going in right next to her
property and wonders going in there. >> Yes. Township is now blocked that off >> and we built a parking lot. Yes, we built a parking lot way down the road. So, we she should be good there. But honestly, in all honesty, it seems that
you know, this is caution tape. She was a concern about the wetlands and woodlands last time, understandably so. But, you know, I I don't know. I mean, I don't know what we can do to and and I asked zoning and zoning did respond to her, too. So,
>> I think that's correspondence. Do we Another thought came to mind and it does fit in with site plan applications. Just to let you know, there's a warehouse going up on Schoolhouse Road about three lots in from
the 45 foot panel being held up at the store. What they did with this land was raised a lot of questions from people going by because they brought in truckload after truckload of soil and raised a lot about about four or five
feet and then then they're building on top of that and everybody's saying why did they do this you know so finally this week I stopped by and I talked to the superintendent of construction and he said the reason they did that was because the state mandate on the what on
the um storm water management. They changed the 100red-year flood uh designations and they have to be they have to raise it up because of the groundwater and the new storm water rates. And that's and the other thing they did uh at the same time that the
town must have done is they were bringing truckloads from the quarry area up into schoolhouse road coming across probably from Mandville because they were coming from the south and then come up schoolhouse to get to the site. The city made them stop that but to consider
a long western canal road until they got to go up and then they just have to make a right turn and they're right by the by the site. So the two things affected this that were not part of the site plan. One was the definition of where the trucks were going to be and the
raising of the level. Anyway, I thought I people asked me what was going on and my first thought was it's either storm water or they put under under building basins what we see sometimes but it wasn't the basins it was the storm water ranks.
>> I generally remember the application and this requirement that they build up. I guess it probably was just that groundwater was very close to the surface and >> that's that's what he told >> he wants them to be further above the
groundwater. >> I mean he's worked he he knew more and you know he's been working with detachable interesting see that the regs are having some effect somewhere. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So site plan and out
we have the one that I did. Is that it? >> Yeah. So, let's start with EZ's because he has to leave early a little bit today potentially. He still has time, but we'll get yours in. So, >> go ahead. >> That's all right. I have his up on the map anyway. Is that okay? Okay. >> Um, >> all right. Easy. So, Easy did too,
right? Okay. So, let's start off with Bounce. What is this called? Bounce Air Adventure. Okay. I'm >> about adventure. So, um, >> where it's located. It should be a it should be a zoning thing not I don't planning not even zoning
>> okay >> if it came to us um hang I think hang is the uh applicant is asking for some sort of a variance I think a D1 variance over here um the property if you look at the aerial map can you go down to the aerial map and
>> where is this >> McDonald's on shopping stop on Eastern Avenue >> this is Ruters Plus >> Rers that's the chase that that location there It's a Chase Bank, you know, drive-in uh for the ATM. And I I'm assuming half of the property is vacant
at this point. And that half of the property they want to create a recreational center for kids, a like a play house with the provision for s seating down cafe sort of a cafeteria in and five you know private rooms to host
14 kids for, you know, private events over there. >> This is a part of the bank. >> Part of the bank. Part of the bank. Banks. >> The bank is on this side. The bank is on the right. >> McDonald's is sitting >> McDonald's across. You have the street. >> Yeah. McDonald's. You have the street, Chase Bank. And part of the Chase Bank,
that property is vacant over there. So that they're asking for a D1 variance is to use this property for you know a recreational center. And the justification they gave is um Chuck Strap has done the same thing. McDonald's done the same thing. All all these properties have asked for such
sort of a variance and they've got it. And that's how you know McDonald's is constructed. But that's what the pro what that's the design of the uh uh you know the the new recreation center would look like a lot of play stuff. Um again it's not an environmental thing. It's
they're not doing they're not demolishing anything. They're not doing anything. Just internal construction. But I did give some recommendations at the end if you can go through that. >> Sure. >> Yeah. I'm saying I I I said that they have to install bike racks because there's nothing over there for bikes you know for kids
>> and kids are going to be there you know I don't know what age group >> so you know bike racks or bike storage uh provisions should be made um there's some sort of a because I I drive there very regularly so there is a little space where you can actually plant some trees and shrub which is just just now
right now lawn area if they could use up that space to you know put some trees would be great new lighting they can make everything LED based anti- idling signs over there so that you know since children are going to be visiting that area and um and people just randomly park there right so you just want to be
sure that for the safety of the kids their roof could be sort of ready >> what about in terms of the EV parking >> so that so I don't know whether they are that's I was confused because it's not a new construction right >> it's not a new construction it is
commercial though so I think that 15 well here's the thing it's 15% % is it of all their propos let me read >> this always confuses me too so planning does the calculation >> if I'm going there with my child right
>> anywhere in that parking lot I don't have to go and park right there >> right correct >> why do I have 15% for me then right anywhere >> that 15% should be for the entire parking lot not just >> I think so yeah okay I'll ask Mark about it because that's an interesting one
because it's like part of an existing parking lot and they're not proposing any new parking. So that's >> but 15% is for full dwelling. >> 15% that's for the multif family use but for all projects not the multif family. These are the requirements. But the
question is is this is an existing parking lot with no new parking and they're only going to be utilizing part of the parking. So the question is how what percentage applies to them? >> Half of the parking is not dedicated to them. >> It's not it can be for anybody. Right.
That is an interesting question. Yeah. Okay. >> They're going to have a child recreation center. So, somebody might come and have their children play for two hours. It's perfect for >> EV charging. So, >> we can always recommend that they put
one AV charger in at least. You know, >> for information, McDonald's has two ports, charging ports, level two, and they have two pricing. they have uh for customers and for those who are not customers. >> Oh okay.
>> For not customers it's uh overly expensive. >> We can always recommend it and see what they think. I mean you know and then if they are required then Mark will I'll just double check with Mark on that. >> Yeah. I didn't know how to put that. >> Yeah I would I was interested in that
because I'm not sure either that's like a new that's new for us. So they're doing this not for people going to the bank or working at the bank or anything like that. It's just a separate >> separate recreation. Sorry, I hate to interrupt. I have a What application is this?
>> This is Bounce Air Adventure. So this is basically an indoor trampoline park. >> Okay. I'm looking at they're talking about the the old Office Max. >> It's at the old Office Max. >> It's not near Chase Bank. That's way parking lot. >> That's over by the gym. >> Here's Chase here. >> That's the address.
Yeah, it's it's it's over by where the Crunch Fitness is. Where >> Office Meshole where you're at where you're thinking where your cursor, >> right? >> It gets that location if you put it on Google Maps. >> Yeah, this is across, but I think I
think easy was just Didn't you say it was across from Chase Bank? >> I mean, way across >> way across. Yeah. >> Right. Well, this is an environmental commission meeting. He's just like saying like getting an idea of where it is. Yeah. But it's not it's there where my cursor is. Correct.
>> That's where Dollar Tree is. >> It's like here. Let me move it. This is where the old Office Max was over here, right? >> Restaurant. >> Well, Venus is over there. >> Yeah. >> Venus. >> That's Kmart. >> That's Kmart.
>> Uh Crunch only used part of the space. >> So, it's like in here somewhere. >> Exactly. That's what they're doing. They're using part of the crunch space. >> Well, it's not crunch space. It's empty space. It's the old Well, it's the old supermarket, but then it became >> Oh, the old
>> Halloween decor. >> Oh, like the spirit Halloween place. >> I'm not sure. I don't remember ever being a spirit Halloween place. >> And then it was an office mask. >> That's what they showed. The GPS shows that I was wondering what was >> this where it was too.
>> This is basically Yeah. So it's across it's all the way across the lot from there. But just to be this is like um it's like an indoor trampoline place. Yeah. >> Yes. >> So it's kind of I mean you know teenagers and stuff can go too but you
know >> I don't think Planet Fitness has any EV chargers there at all. No. >> I don't think so. >> Crunch. That's not Planet Fitness. >> Sorry. Crunch. They doesn't have >> these places are Yeah. diving and they have a ton of jumping areas like this slam dunk thing is like you run up to it
and you slam the basketball in it after you jump off a trampoline and there's a foam pit over here it looks like so that's the kind of of place it is so you would be there for like an hour or two I think you pay by the hour >> and if you're having a party for kids like a birthday party there
>> hours and they're going to have a climbing wall also >> climbing wall >> that super climbing >> yeah all All right. >> Chase Bank. >> It's not >> there. It's across the So, here's the Let me the >> It's actually between the supermarket
and >> so just for reference point, this is Chase Bank right here. The actual area. Actually, I'm sorry. It's going to be like in here, Ted. Like part of like somewhere over here >> next to Crunch. >> Yeah. >> It's called Bounce Air Adventure.
>> Bounce. >> Yeah. >> Air Adventure. >> Adventure. This is before the zoning board, right? Because if they're looking for a variance, >> stop and shop will like it. It brings more parents to the kids doing that. They'll go shopping and stop
>> and the kids will have back injuries, you know. >> All right. So, are we good on this one? >> You just put the EV charger requirements on that. >> I I wrote it down. Yeah. Yeah. And if they're like requirements beyond that, then I'll just make a note for Mark like if it's more than this, please just add
that in. Who is it that submitted this application? >> New York. >> Somebody from New York. >> Hangling. Hangland. >> Hang. Yeah. Was it? >> It's Bounce Air Adventure LLC. And I guess the person in they have they
listed like a manager or whatever >> because I mean the whole shopping center is owned by Lean, >> right? >> Who who owns the parking lot? >> Lean. >> Lean. >> It's all the whole parking lot is Le. So, how how how can we enforce charging?
>> We can't. That's the qu that's the thing. Unless I mean I can go through the legislation yet again, but I that's a good question because there really is no um there's like there's no specific formula or number that says if you're using part of a parking lot that's not
owned by you and you're not making any additional parking. >> And then he's already upset that you not let him put the residential, >> right? Well, we can make a deal, you know. We can allow him the sin exchange that he will
with charging station. A kind of Trumpy approach. Make a deal, right? >> All right. So, easy. The next one was >> personal. Go ahead. >> Put that in the minutes. >> No, that's for entertainment. >> Jeffrey Dunham.
>> The second one is from Jeffrey Dunham. It's a residential property. I think he's asking for a B2 variance. It's again in front of zoning. He's he's trying to build on his property an ingground swimming pool, a patio, pavlin, and a detached garage. And he's asking for a seed. So, this is the
current aerial view of the property. >> This is Van Creek. It's a two-story house with that, you know, the driveway and then a good parking lot area. in that parking lot area. He is trying to put a garage
um going over the lawn. So, he's asking for that variance of, you know, getting over the lawn. And if you look at the next page, if you go down to the next page, that's the garage he's trying to build. And a swimming pool just behind the house on the left, top left. >> Four parking spots.
>> That's what he said. He shows his picture. >> Yeah. So is the issue because it's close to the property line or because of >> No, that's on his property. >> Surface impervious >> going over a lot. >> So I have a question for for this
committee >> that's going over if you look at that table. My question for this committee is every time that we see somebody going over the impervious amount that's allowed, whether it's by 2 feet or 15 feet or 100
feet or whatever, always just blow it off and say, "Yeah, no problem. It's just a little bit." >> No, >> almost always. No, we put we always put in use non use pvious cement or some you know that kind of thing around around
areas where they can to try and bring that coverage down you know to to get under >> we suggest removing other imperous surface >> but we're suggesting and I think that >> well that's the only power we have
>> I think well I understand that but I think that anytime somebody's asking to go over we should strongly suggest that either they reduce the amount or use the impervious
type of of material. >> We do do that. We have a blurb for that that we put in and we um >> Yeah, >> let me get it. We do that and we always say we want you to get as close to the impervious coverage if not under that you can and we basically say let me get
my blurb. >> I don't think we should say as close I think we should say we should recommend that they stay under at or under >> particularly if the uh if they ask for little concession we would say if you
ask for that little why don't you get zero >> this is what we always put in the proposed imperous coverage is whatever which is an exceedence of the of the permitted say 20% in the R40 zone the EC recommends using pvious pavement pilling additional trees creating green space or other strategies to reduce the
impervious coverage to to the maximum extent possible. That's like our standard blur. Well, not that that all we can amend it and add extra language to it, but that's what we put in. Some sometimes the problem is that
the house was constructed quite a few years ago before our imperous coverage rules were as strict. And the way with what they have, they really
can't reduce it below the >> more we build the township, >> no place for the water to go. And every time we give an inch to allow somebody to go over, I just think we should we should make it
a we should stand on keep it at the >> impous surface where the the laws the regulation says or the ordinance says >> I think that it's thing is remember remember that
we only recommend >> I understand that board will totally understand. You're absolutely right then. But I'm saying we shouldn't be namby pammy in our recommendation. We should be we should stick to
what the ordinance says. So it's already so are you suggesting so here it says the EC recommends using so we give some recommendations and then reduce the impervious coverage instead of your recommendation is instead of saying to the maximum extent possible you're recommending and saying reduce the impervious coverage to the permissible
limit on the zoning. >> How about this? How about this? If you say to the maximum extent possible but not less than uh not not more than the permissible level. Well, why you why did you have the first part in there about
>> because if they can reduce it even uh further that's fine. >> We quite often get applications I think typically warehouses where they actually will be reducing the impervious surface compared to what was
there before. particularly if say they're replacing a a a an office building which was surrounded by acres of parking. So they're reducing the impervious surface but they're not getting all the way to uh the limit.
>> Well, I applaud them for that. And I'm just saying for others that want to go over what is allowed >> that we should say no that they should just keep it at what the ordinance says or less.
>> Are there are there any other surfaces that we could recommend that are not totally impervious that we could say instead of impervious surface like the dreaded asphalt, are there any other surfacing? Well, we recommend pvious pavement. We recommend
rain gardens, creating more green space. Um, >> a technical term and that's fine. >> I like recommending alternatives. >> Yes, we do. We do recommend alternatives. But this last part of the sentence, I think, is what Arie's talking about. So, it would be reduce the impervious coverage. I'm not saying
we're accepting this for good. I'm just thinking out loud >> extent possible, but not uh >> well, it should say reduce the impervious coverage. basically something to the effect of like to within the limits permitted by the blank zone.
>> Yes. Not you know by saying the maximum extent possible that's giving them an act. >> Yes. But maximum you can but the minimum that you have to meet is the >> right but no one's going to reduce it to
the maximum length not I mean they I understand what you're saying but most people are going to be like okay I'm allowed 20%. I'm going to do 20%. You know What if they're 20% and they want 21 now, >> right? And that's what they're asking for a variance.
>> That's no, right? >> We are the only stewards who are in the position to say no. Of course, that we still recommend, right? >> It's a recommendation, >> but no one else >> and that's where they get a variance from the uh from the board. And our
recommendation should be, you know, 1% for this one, 1% for this one, 1% for this one, and it all adds up to where's the water going when it rains. >> So, what about EC recommends blah blah blah blah to reduce the impervious coverage and to
satisfy the limits permitted within the whatever zone. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Or to con confine, what's the word? Uh conform with to conform with the limits. Yes. >> Or to conform to the limits. Yeah. To
conform >> conform to the limits permitted within the whatever zone. So then this part would go. >> Yes. >> I mean, yeah. They're going to end up applying for a variance that the board can do >> and they can and the zoning board or the
plan the zoning board can overrule what we're requesting, but at least we're making the the right recommendations. Okay. Um, that works, I think. What do you think, Easy? You're on the site. >> In this case, right, if you go back to
the uh the plan, go back to the um, can you go up? I >> mean, the the structure already has garage. >> No. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So, the structure So, can you go up to the Google map to the map, please? Yeah, it
already has. And if you can blow it up a little bit, enlarge it. It has a it has a parking space. So in this case they should just build the garage on top of the existing purpose. >> Yes. Yes. >> I would think they need to go over. >> Yeah. Why go over? We can do that. And
the second if you go to the second figure again they are trying to build a drive. I don't know what it is. It's a driveway to the swimming pool. I don't know what that thing is. >> My question was why? Like why do you need that? >> Right. >> Asphalt here. You mean
>> the middle arrow? The second arrow. screen number again. >> See the middle arrow? Yeah, >> but right here that I don't know. >> It's hard to say. I don't know. >> I can definitely use a different surface. >> Yeah. And that's I don't
>> It's so blurry you can't even see it. >> Yeah. Why would they have that? You're right. >> We could say totally no. Then >> let me look on the actual plans on the uh >> nothing there. Yeah, I check. You can't see it and you can't read it. >> Yeah, that is interesting.
>> Oh yeah, it's like access directly from >> My only assumption is if you have a pool party, they want everybody to come in from there. >> Yeah, >> that's my only assumption. >> So we're talking about >> a big red line on on the ground to tell. >> We have already garage in that structure. I can see it from
>> I just want to compare where that is. So the dwelling is there. I just want to see one quick thing. So >> where's this is Van Clee Road down here, right? >> Yeah. >> So the dwelling is here. This little This little driveway is over here cuz I
don't think it's oriented. Is it oriented the same way? It's not. It's oriented the other way. So this asphalt driveway I'm trying Oh, wait. Where are they having it go to? That's what I'm trying to figure out. >> The the swimming pool is behind the house in the top left. behind the house
on the top left >> right there. >> And they want to drive Oh, they want >> right to the road. >> Yeah, right to the road. Why do they want that there? >> I don't know why they want that there. >> Oh, they want another entrance. You're right. So people can just pull in like directly to the pool >> on the street and directly go down there
to the pool. >> As I remember, there's not a lot of parking on Vancouver. >> There's not, but they already have a driveway like turning it into a public pool. Maybe that's one thing we can recommend too, like remove that driveway because it doesn't make any sense.
>> It can be part of the way to >> make it so they stay at or below. >> We can just say no to that, >> right? That way is no good. >> Okay. >> Thank you.
>> They didn't talk about it in the application. >> Like it at all. >> It's a interesting one. Yeah, >> it's a big lie. It doesn't matter. >> How many How many acres you got? >> Remember how many acres this is? Uh 2.17 it looks like.
>> 2.17 acres. >> Yeah. So it's a big house. A good lot. A big lot for a house. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Interesting. >> Van Clee is a very nice area. It is. >> I cut across there once in a while. >> Yeah. Well, this is about the only one on that side of Van Clee.
>> Yeah. um south of where there's a development back in there. >> You mind if I do mine real quick, uh Paul, since I have it up here next? >> Um h this is interesting because it's like
almost the exact same application that EZ is talking about. I'm hoping I didn't like do the same thing he did by accident cuz this one here is for Fisol Igbar 228 Bennett Lane. Um, I'm going to pull it up in one second just to make
sure. The applicant is proposing to install a patio pool and two accessory sheds. That's the exact same thing you just said, right? >> But here the varianc is from 20. It's from 20%. What is allowed? 22.3%. That's not the same. >> No.
>> So, this is a different one. I'll double check. And this is one. Oh, yeah. I am right. This is 1.98 acres. It's on 228 Bennett's Lane. >> Can you pull the map up? So, >> I will. Yeah. Just give me one sec here. Doesn't look like any trees are proposed for remov removal. There is some trees.
I'll show you. Again, the comment is that they're exceeding impervious coverage by 2.3%. So, we don't want that. Um, let me get the map up. Oops. 228
plane. Oh, yeah. It's this piece, right? Okay. This is interesting. That's like the exact same uh proposal. So, let's see. So, this is the property right here. Here's Bennett's Lane. They
have this long like flag here to get in. >> It's a flag lot. >> Yeah. Same thing. They're basically proposing the pool. I can get the plans up in a sec, but they're basically proposing a pool in this area and a patio around it. They're only planning on exceeding the impervious coverage though by 2.3%.
Still different than EZ's, but only by 2.3% in this instance. >> Isn't that great? >> Is still over. >> It's still over. I agree. I was concerned that I accidentally liked it the same one as easy, but with a different name, but >> we're near Agile.
>> Yes. >> Oh, it's close to Agile. >> Mhm. >> Oh, they should have a nice time smelling agile while they're sitting pool. >> I think Agelix has implemented the >> I know they have. I I don't know how well it's like. Well, it will be at least noisy, you know.
>> Sorry, guys. Having to switch between all these screens is just with me. Uh, okay. I'll show you where the >> Okay. >> Yeah. Ball. Yep. Fisal. Yep. Okay.
Proposed plan. >> What happens to the main application? They don't submit the main application anymore, >> like the paper version. No, they they can't I actually I shouldn't say that. I believe they have to submit like two paper copies. That's it. And it goes to planning and zoning. >> It doesn't come up on our site. We don't
see it. >> The paper or No, >> versions don't come up anymore. Uh no this this usually they are in but like with the variance plans a lot of the times if they're not looking for a certain amount or a different type of or of um variance they don't have to do a
full-on like you know storm water management plan and all that. Um this does look a lot like your plan though, doesn't it? Cuz like here's the dwelling and here's the pool they're proposing. Um little storage shed for pool equipment. And so the impervious
coverage that is permitted, like I said, is 20% and they're looking at doing uh 22.3%. So that's it. Um I'll show you the map again one more time here. So they do have some trees like buffering the area here. They're not proposing any tree
removal. This pool area is basically up here. So we can use this. I had my recommendations. Let me go to my >> pool is considered non-pervious, right? >> No, a pool is considered pvious. H >> a pool is considered pvious because the
water doesn't go through to the groundwater level. It's basically I it would be like a basin collecting water, but it's not considered like a storm water management. >> Is that correct? That's correct. >> And it should make it impervious. So that's >> it's considered impervious. Yes, it's
considered impervious. Impervious. Yes. Yes. Is that what you asked, Mayor? I did. Okay. I'm sorry. Yes. Imperous. Yes, it's considered impervious. >> So, yeah, my recommendation again was, you know, bring it down and verify there's no tree removal only because I don't see that there is, but I don't
have anything like on a plan saying there's absolutely no tree removal. That was it. >> Okay. Is that long looks like driveway? >> Yeah. Is is that a paved the driveway?
>> Um >> I don't know. I would assume it is. >> I think it is. >> Yeah, it looks like it is. Yep. You can see it running through there. >> Either way, driveway is still considered impervious even even if it's dirt road. >> Yes. Gravel. It's a dirt road. A packed
dirt road. Yeah. >> Didn't know that. >> Yeah. Alan Richie told me once that's because you could pave it overnight, >> right? It's true. >> Oh, >> so I they they have to figure out how to
comply, I guess. >> Yep. So, we'll use the same blurb we used for the last one. >> Okay. So, that's that one. >> You want to um bring to the attention of this is the zoning board or the planning board here? >> Zoning. Do you want to bring to the
attention of the zoning board that from now on we we made this change in this um part of our comments because we >> we can we don't have to cuz they don't get our blurbs. So like our blurbs we're constantly like evolving and changing
them and like trying to stay within. So we don't like we just take the blurb put it in and then we amend it for the the project. So we don't have to tell them. I'm sure you'll start to notice after some time, >> but we can if we want to send a memo saying like, "Hey, just so you know, this is like a stance that we're taking moving forward." We can do that, too.
What do you think, Ted? Do you think that's necessary? >> We didn't make motion on the change. >> No, no, we could. >> We didn't, but they're blurbs that the that a site plan committee basically uses. And so, >> you know, they're kind of like a living working document. But if you wanted to
like send a memo basically saying here's a stand that the EC is taking from now on, we can do that for sure. Absolutely. >> I think that's a good idea. Um, and you can say in there every 1% for this property and 1% for this property. It all adds up and where does the water go?
I'm sure I'm sure you'll be able to word it very nicely. >> Okay. That I need a motion for though. >> Yes, >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Second. Okay. All in favor? >> Yes. >> Okay. memo to it'll be to planning and zoning so that they say because
sometimes it won't just go to zoning about um impervious coverage. Sorry, I got to write this down otherwise it will be gone coverage uh blurb. I'll just write that for now. Okay, >> cool. Okay. >> All right. And then I think the only one
we have left is yours. Um Paul >> Temple. >> Okay. Let me get the map up here. Uh, we did this one. So Paul did the Temple Bethl of Somerset, which is at
1489 Hamilton Street. You got to start talking. >> Why neighbor? >> Well, what this is is really a subdivision. Uh, they're they're they're dividing into three three lots. One of which has the temple on it that stays unchanged. One has a dwelling on it that
stays unchanged. The third one, the lot is vacant and they're proposing to make it a separate lot and put a a do dwelling on that lot. >> Oh my goodness. Okay, which one? >> Residential. >> Yeah, it's a residential. >> Hold on one second. Let me just get his
uh let me just get this. >> Should I go that >> Paul? Are they selling that off or is it going to be like >> not at this point? >> Like a parsonage type of thing? >> No, I don't think so. They the temples haven't done parsonages now for a good many years. >> Oh, this is a minor subdivision.
>> It's a minor subdivision. Yeah. And there's really not a lot of details about the house at this point. I don't know if they've divided it, you know, or designed it yet. They're just getting the subdivision done so that they can maybe offer it to a a buyer.
>> Oh, so they're just looking for the subdivision now and then eventually they'll come back with >> That's exactly right. else on it. That's when we would look at the previous surface. >> Well, how they want to >> what they're doing here though, it turns out that because they're near a house of
worship, there has to be a buffer of trees. >> Oh, okay. >> And they're taking out um I think if I remember right, nine trees, which would equilo to plant 22 trees, but they're really planting 46. So they're doubling the amount of trees that would be
required, but it's actually required not just from the zoning, but because of the nearness to the house of worship. There's a buffer requirement that's described in the, you know, in the thing. >> How they want to divide it. >> It looks like their one proposed lot is >> right there
>> 518 acres, >> right? >> The other proposed lot with a proposed dwelling on it is going to be 477 acres. >> Yes. Oh. Oh. Oh, I see. So they they do this and that, >> right?
>> Yeah. >> And they leave this alone. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. It's fine. >> Yeah. Because this portion of Yeah. >> Are you direct is Are you live directly next door to this? >> I think you have to recuse yourself from this discussion.
>> Oh, you're here. >> You should get a 200 foot uh notice. >> Yeah. You you are you within 200 feet? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I'm a stand I'm talking about. >> No, he is. His house is right here. Yeah, it says it.
>> I'm sorry to call you out, but here you are. >> Here you are. >> Um, so yeah. So, this is a minor subdivision. >> Yeah. >> And they're saying the services from that would be on Heather. >> Yeah. >> They they bring in water and sewage from
Heather Street. >> Okay. Since we have this map here, can you unzoom a little bit? I apologize that I'm hijink opposite. >> Unzoom. Unzoom. I want to see as much as possible.
If uh if uh so so there are individually owned properties and this is wooded section. >> They absolutely no use of it. If they decide to cut this have subdivision and they persuade these guys to do that,
>> is it possible that this would be then developed? >> I don't know. I guess >> it has an access problem. >> I was going to say is it it would be landlocked >> if they did that. >> It could be accessed through >> through the temple.
>> Uh that that wouldn't happen. It's like >> are you talking about here then this part? >> Yes. Yes. Because this is wood wooded section and and these sections I can imagine that these guys they would like to get maybe some money but by selling
you know >> section of it and then you would have nice >> yeah but I said be landlock and you got properties in between. Stan, do you see where the closest road is that there might be a possible access to that?
>> Uh, here is a dead >> that end if you if you get here. >> Cold. >> Is that a culdeac? Yeah. >> Yeah, but you have to go through. >> Yes, it's really a landlock property. >> And and and you cannot use this road. >> No,
>> no, >> that's probably a fly that's probably a flyer access road. >> I certainly see your concern though, Stan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. mainly because the temple has their parking lot. You can't, you know, I mean, it's still an active congregation. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> When you bought that house, you really like the idea of having all that those trees behind you there. >> Yeah. >> It was after thought. I didn't think about it at the point of purchase. >> Yeah. In fact, Stan, they're going to add trees is what they're talking about in in their application because of the
buffer requirements, >> you know, but not behind Stan's house. >> Well, there's not a lot of room. And you want us to put something in there saying they have to build put plant more trees behind your house. >> Actually, uh, they are shading my solar system in winter. >> Okay.
>> Um, the shorter trees I'm all for. >> Okay. How about just some bushes, some underbrush to eat? >> So, what were your recommendations on there? You want me to? >> I just put them for the dwelling itself
that they should consider um solar on the roof and an EV charger in the garage. >> They're ready. I mean, they're not um there's no details as to what the house is going to be, >> right? >> So, you know, from an impervious coverage standpoint,
>> the trouble is that the big beautiful bill is cutting off uh the tax advantages for solar installation. >> Oh. Oh yeah. >> So it's going to be >> we still have state incentives >> more expensive to >> but there's still it stands for this
Murphy is not going to do away the state on wins. The state will have still stuff. >> Hopefully somebody after Murphy will be also sold. >> Depends on who wins the governorship. >> Yeah I know. >> Let's see done that right. >> Yes.
>> Um yeah I don't know what else really you can say at this point. Plus, this is >> I'm going to make some comments all along the way, but it was Yeah. >> All right. So, any other comments, uh, Paul to highlight or? >> We can scroll through. Let's see what they said. Oh, there's sizes. That's
okay. >> New single family. Oh, yeah. Uh, yes. Oh, there 44 trees. The removal required 22. And they're going to put Oh, and here's the trees. >> Okay. >> Working in I I is that top nine. It was
P R U N U S and there was another word after that which I didn't write down. >> Who knows? >> Yeah. >> Look and see if I can find it in here. >> Yeah, there was a list. There was a table that I had I had to look with magnified list.
>> Oh gosh. Well, then I'll be in big trouble. Yeah, >> we just want to make sure that they're using trees to walk in the bottom right here. You see that chart? That's it. The bottom of the the bottom of that was a chart. >> Okay, bear with me here. What's this
one? Is this the tree room miner? Oh, that's it was after this, right? >> Look. Oh, here. 173. They're going to right here. Right to the left. >> Okay, hang on. One sec. >> Slide it over a little bit. >> All right.
>> Here it is. That's That's what I copied down. Oh, that's an ornamental tree, that one that you're talking about. >> It's an evergreen. Oh, the prunis is an Yeah, but the other three are ever evergreen. >> Oh, common name. Here you go. Norway
spruce. So, the that's an autumn >> high cherry. >> It's a cherry tree. >> Then you got holly and arborite. >> Yeah. And spruce. The Norway spruce. And the and the the shrub is a shrub.
>> Mhm. Anybody have any other questions or let's see where they're putting them? >> Yeah, see they're putting a lot. See, all the trees have to go in in putting them all around the edges here. >> Yeah, that's that's part of the the buffer requirements evidently
for this particular area. >> Okay. Anybody have any questions or comments on this? >> No. >> Something that looks like a walkway. >> Yes, there is a walkway. >> There's a walkway between Heather and uh
>> Oh, yeah. I see. It goes all the way through to Heather. >> Yeah, it's existing concrete walk. Sometimes when they have too many visitors, they park on Heather Drive and they walk >> and they walk through. >> So that's that's not a roadway, it's a walkway. It's a walk.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can see how narrow that looks. >> Yeah, that's what I was saying. >> All righty. I'll get these off then to Christine. >> Okay. >> That's it for site plan. >> Okay. So, we've done the site plan.
>> Thanks, Ezy. >> Thanks, everybody. >> It is easy. >> Thank you. Um, new business. the um we're going to start thinking about the environmental stewardship award. Uh do you have some candidates already or somebody else?
>> Well, I do but um you know since um Robin is the name and she really made a big difference. I think she's a good candidate. So I would like to move that uh >> Robin >> that Robin be nominated for environmental stewardship award.
>> I thought we were just brainstorming now. It's a good good idea. >> This is part of it proposing. >> I mean, I was thinking that Jessica was here for a long time and she did a lot. >> Um, and you know, >> she left before Robin did.
>> So, I mean, I would just consider her >> as somebody. >> The the reason that Robin >> It's not bad, but I think Jessica would come. >> Yeah. and Robin will be still on the
the commission at the time that the awards are awarded. So, it' be better to do Jessica now and then you do Robin last year. >> Good timing. >> She's really getting to do uh environmental work on a higher plane. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> She's working with the feds and with major companies try to get them to change what they're doing. >> The whole insurance >> insurance industry. Sure. Yeah, she has very good credentials for it. >> It's not something that we can do as a commission, you know. >> Yeah,
>> but she can as an individual. >> They all know who she is. But Jessica is not a bad one. >> I mean, we've done that in the past with retired um environmental commissioners. >> You did. Yeah, you can see a whole string of
>> What was the the the lady uh I forgot her name. Uh, she's of Iranian origin. Oh. >> Um, I just saw her the other day. Um, >> the wings of carbon.
>> It's re zwan. >> Reswan. >> Yeah, resan. Yeah. >> She's she's working. She just made a presentation to the canal walk environmental thing. >> Her her father did not get out of IA Iran. He died in Iran. Mhm.
>> And but her mother made a presentation also and she did one on AI this uh we have a group called great decisions. We never come to decisions. It really should be great discussions >> but it's from the um the
>> people Washington >> and they send out these book all there's thousands of people doing this. >> So Razwan was a member of this group fairly short time. So >> right well she really did. Yeah, but she she drug she she made the application,
but then she didn't show up. She really didn't didn't do anything for for the commission itself. >> I think No. Yeah, she was for a little while, maybe a couple months and then dropped off. >> The one I'm thinking of didn't more than couple.
>> You think it was longer than that? >> We don't have to give it to all the retiring. >> That's right. Right. Members. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Jessica is a better choice. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She has a red one or
had a a website that did environmental, you know, ad advocacy and such. I still send our minutes after approval to retired members. Dave Triggs,
>> um Reswan, Mary Lalco, who's on the trails committee, I guess. >> Open space. Yeah, she's on Open Space. Yeah. Yeah. >> Shade Tree. >> Sh. Shade Tree. Yeah. >> I don't I don't know her. I might have met her.
>> Well, this Jessica >> Jessica's a good one. Yeah. >> And Macyver, what was her first name? >> Jenny Jenny Peski. Jenny Pedeski. >> Yeah. >> No, no, no. >> Kerser Kerser. >> Kersner. Yeah. >> Diane Peski. >> Wasn't this someone that old?
>> Diane Peski. Yeah. >> One more. >> We didn't give one to Diane. >> No, she did. She did get >> She did get one. >> T, what was his name? >> Dave. Dave T.
>> I think he was the last one that we Dave. >> No, I think it was Diane after Dave. >> Triggs was way >> 19 was Dave Triggs, >> right? >> And that was the last one according to
this list that we gave one out. >> Yeah, I think so. >> So Diane was before that. >> Actually, I don't see words out last. I don't see Diane's name on here. >> I don't think we ever gave it to Diane. >> Hold on. I'll look. Last year we defin I
thought we gave an award for sure. >> Yeah, because I don't think we went five years without >> giving one. So, I don't know. >> Diane did get one. >> Yeah, I think you're right. I think she did. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know where. Uh >> and then um Heather Fenick, although it
was the >> Oh, yeah. Heather Fenick got it in 2023. Um, >> she wasn't the member of the commission, was she? >> No, >> no, no. I mean, she's >> Sarah Malone. Sarah Malone got it in 2023.
>> Right. Yeah. >> We gave them one to the center. >> Heather was as organization. >> Yes. For a lower rarity. Yeah. >> The same thing like we did one for the center school because they were putting in solar cells, but nobody asked them to do, >> right? Because I remember
>> that Sarah Malone got it as a person, >> right? Mhm. >> But at the same year it was Heather I mean water update just for the website. >> Yeah. >> And last year we didn't get any right 24.
>> No I don't think that we did. >> I don't think we did either. >> No we didn't come this year we should. >> And maybe 22 we skipped as well. >> I don't have anything from 2022. >> So maybe D was 21. >> Could be. I have to go back and look. I
I only have what I have done, which is 2023. >> Yeah. Because before that, we didn't have you here. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if you guys look at the minutes of that.
>> Um, so, you know, we can order the plaques and everything. We have money set aside in our budget. Not that we do that now. I'm just saying once I know the sooner I know the easier it is because it does take time to get a PO through takes time to make the plaque. So the sooner you know I don't know if you guys want to wait until more people
are here to decide up to you guys. >> We have a a new I know the place that we used to use on World's Fair Drive. >> I remember going to Crown. >> We have a new place that we've been going. >> Crown Trophy in Greenbrook. >> Crown Trophy in Greenbrook. Yeah, >> Greenbrook. Okay. I remember going to I
went to a place on World Fair Drive. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think Jessica sounds like a dream. >> How about any projects? So, I don't know if anyone remember I'm going to put up our list of projects that we've
reviewed. If anyone remembers anything like then they're like, "Oh, this one did this. You can It's on the screen. I don't know if this helps." Um, well, I immediately think of that small warehouse on Western Canal
Road. I'm trying to have a green roof, but they never did it, >> but they haven't constructed it. >> No. In fact, there's a for sale sign on the propert. Yeah. >> So, they Oh, the reason the for sale sign, the town wanted him to run a water
line from there all the way out to Random. Yeah. >> And that was a lot of money. Yeah. >> And probably said, "Hey, we can't do this." >> Yeah. >> So that So now the properties up for sale. >> So that never got done.
>> Well, a lot of things don't get done. >> Yeah. >> We have the Boy Scout. I don't know if it was a Boy Scout project. It was a project in the park where he had an eagle >> area. >> Yeah, it was an eagle project. >> Oh, yes. You're right. That was an Eagle
project, but that was really Well, he was really kind of focused on benches and and things like that. >> Yeah. >> That's more an individual rather than a >> Yeah. >> It wasn't an enterprise. >> This is an enterprise.
>> Yeah. Uh, anyone can think I mean you don't have to tell me right this second but you think of any businesses in the area that you know of that are doing some kind of environmental practices that like kind of struck you or
>> maybe during the next open uh public session of this meeting maybe the person who knows more about this town. That's what I was just thinking too. >> Ideas as to >> businesses that >> businesses that um
>> have done some things. >> I thought SHI is >> make yourself useful there Bowman. >> Is SHI building solar canopy on their parking lot? >> Who's that? >> Shi on Pier and uh
>> Pearson Davidson. >> Davidson. All right, Jim. No, >> I don't think the seller on on that lot. >> Can we give it to a business who owns a property that did not build a warehouse? >> I know, right? >> Like someone who declared that they
first won and then they did not >> or say Pier Street and >> Davidson. It's huge. The huge number of cars in your line. >> No, >> I don't see anything on the satellite. >> It started in Frank.
>> The roof is covered >> and as it got bigger, it moved to Piscatoaway and then when it got still bigger, it came back to Franklin and then they they bought the Metropolitan Insurance Company building that was just down
>> Davidson from them. Now I got the building across from the palace. >> Yeah. >> Is that place uh pretty full? Are they >> the >> the that big brick building across from the palace? >> Wasn't the palace
>> on Davidson? >> Oh, those are those office buildings are full. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. A lot of a lot of cars there. >> I was in that once. And uh >> I used a mailbox once
>> the um the properties on 400 Franklin Square 200 Franklin Square Drive and I think 100 that that that one's empty but the 100's right on on canal on Davidson and there's a first sale sign in front of that one.
But uh I don't know if they'll go the way of executive drive or not. But I think the one if it's still as it was 200 Franklin Square Drive is owned by the Saudis. >> Yes. Yeah.
>> I was working to put solar on the roof and they did a sale and lease back and that killed the project. >> It was a long time ago. I can't think of anything off the top of my head beside like we're just
brainstorming. We have time. Um Jessica who owned the farm and she was a >> I guess you left about a year ago. >> Yeah. >> Wasn't she doing something uh sort of innovative? Uh I can't remember exactly farming. >> Yeah, she does the regenerative
agriculture. So it's kind of >> Yeah, >> that hasn't really appeared. >> Right. That's the thing. Yeah, but you're right about that. >> They talked a lot about that when they first bought the property, but uh they have chickens and they sell the eggs.
>> That's about it. >> Okay. What about this is just I was like I don't >> you know I can stop by and ask them because they was land that you know you could grow things on and they were leaving it live
and then they were going to do organic agriculture. Well I think it's li laneow quite long enough now but they don't show any sign doing anything. Yeah. >> I don't know. It depends how act you know how busy her husband is because she
has the good job, >> right? Yeah. She does a really good job. Yeah. >> Didn't you work for the uh hockey team? >> Any any >> So, well, I think >> um this is a a question. I don't know if this is even allowable. I'm just
thinking brainstorming. Um what about even you know I'm just thinking of like the trails committee as like a committee or the shade tree commission as a commission like are can we is that like somebody we would recommend only because I have noticed only from
>> me working like on the various I feel like other commissions and committees like the shade tree commission the trails committee they are incorporating more environmental practices into their like the trails committee for example they um have not done a ton but like
they coordinated ated for the firefly walk and they're using pieces of benches that have been done for the bird blind like we're so I don't know I'm just thinking out loud maybe that's not a problem >> I think I think those are I don't see a problem with recognizing a
group like that >> it's a little little selferving though >> it kind Well that's I don't know does it come off that way or I'm not sure is it self- serving that we're recognizing people that were on our committees that's But but they're
but they're not here anymore. The ones are still doing what it's part of the charter. >> Ted's still here >> and he's and his name is >> I was technically not on the commission at that time. I was council leaders on to the commission. >> You came out of retirement. Is that what
you're saying? >> Like yes. >> Um >> how about Linda Powell? >> That's an idea. >> Do we recognize two people or one person? normally or it doesn't matter. There's no >> just
>> Why don't we Why don't we wait to see what happens with the Nessie thing again because >> Paul's list at least. Yeah. For discussion. >> I know two Linda Powels. Another one lives just up the street from me on all Jewish town. >> Oh, nice.
>> Actually, it could be that whole Nessie group that could get, you know, in instead of as an individual that Nessie group could be recognized. Yeah, >> that's right. Because that's not just her. It's >> Let me just check one place.
>> I I think it should be >> not until after the current application is resolved. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because then we would have to pull it back after we gave it to them if it goes through. >> Well, but we are putting them into spot
because now it's very difficult to >> it's going to be hard >> to to win. So, list of people. >> The sustainable business registry, they keep a registry of people that have actually like achieved the requirements
of the sustainable business registry. >> Oh, like like lead buildings. >> Why does this website look weird, right? Okay, let's back it up just in case there. Okay. Um Oh, cuz that was their X page. So, New
Jersey D, they actually have a sustainable business registry. I was going to look and see if there was any Franklin businesses in there. >> Okay. >> But I don't see does I don't see a list. >> Speaking of businesses, can I bring something up that's a little off topic?
>> So, say a month ago, I went to the Somerset Diner and automatically brought us straws. >> Okay. And that's still not proper. Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is the most violated.
>> Okay. So, automatically gave us straws. We didn't use them. When I went to pay the bill, I went up to the person with the cashier and I said, "Here's your straws. They were given to us without us asking, and that is inappropriate. It's against
regulations." And they asked me, "Well, was it the server? Was it the bus boy? Was it?" And I said, "Doesn't matter. One of your staff did it. They need >> clearly the business is >> right." Right. I I wasn't gonna It's them.
>> I was back there a week ago. Same exact thing, >> of course. >> And I brought the straws back and I said the same thing. >> So, I was thinking about calling into the Somerset Health Department and just letting them know that this has been a concern. I know other people that go
there, they have the same thing happen to them. If I were to do that, should I do it as just a myself? >> Yeah. >> As a or as a member of the township environmental commission? >> You either way works for me. You just tell me.
>> I reported uh farmers market the the Amish farmers market in the Princeton section. Uh I reported as myself. >> So you reported in the health department? >> Yeah. >> Okay. They were distributing um plastic bags.
>> They're too big for that. Too many square feet for plastic bags there. I guess >> nobody can do plastic bags. Well, there are exceptions forarmacies and stuff, but they have to do they have to do paper
>> if uh if if they are small enough. But um They cannot do plastic. >> The Chinese restaurants are using paper bags to put the packages in a lot of places.
I I hate to drop names, but I will anyway. I was in Vienna about a month ago and in the Vienna airport, they had really nice cardboard straws. They gave out, but you know, they don't
come under our ordinance, but they had really nice straws that were recyclable. >> I don't think they come under >> recyclable. >> They had to be. Yeah. >> Well, they were paper straws. >> It's contaminated. Is that recyclable?
>> Then they're covered by the regulations. >> You can't recycle pizza boxes. You should not be recycling because usually a smear of pizza. >> No, no. Yeah. The tomato sauce, the cheese. Yeah. >> Part of the reason for the straws also is to limit the amount of microlastics that go everywhere.
>> No, I know it. Yeah. >> That's the real point. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, paper is fine at that point. And for for health reasons, you should probably put it in the garbage so you're not spreading germs or whatever. And if the pizza box
goes into the landfill, the pigeon and the seagulls and the rats all have to eat also. >> There you go. And you know, >> they don't want the the oils and everything else that might be in the pizza box >> to go into the paper recycling. >> That's correct. >> Yeah.
>> What about any of the schools? Does anyone know any of the schools, the clubs, anything like that? Any of the >> Oh, uh, well, they have an environmental club in high school. in the I tell you they need to do a little bit better job. >> Okay. >> Or maybe the the high school they have
now annual green fair. >> Yeah. >> But um >> well is that uh at the Elizabeth Avenue school that I think Maria represented. >> I was there that was a STEM STEM
robots and stuff. We did give a an award back a few years ago to the Edison Charter School on Worlds Fair Drive on Pierce. >> It looks like when did they do this? It looks like they got they got sustainable Jersey school certified. >> Uhhuh.
>> See, that's a sustainable Jersey. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I wonder. >> And we gave we gave them an award, >> but it's not on our list. What year was >> I? >> No, we never gave them award. I don't think so. No, I'm talking about the the charter school.
>> I'm saying the Frank. >> Yes, we did give them an award. >> All right, let me check this now. Sustainable Jersey for schools, it's called, right? Because it's like a different program for schools
cuz we can look up and see if they're Stan. >> He was there. >> Oh my goodness. >> Why did you tell us that you were there? It was not time yet. >> I like look it up. I mean, you would think I would have planned that and I did not.
>> That's a nice picture. >> Good job, Stan. Congratulations. >> Very good. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. I did not plan that, everybody. I'm serious. That was not That looks like it was Okay. Um, >> that was announced today.
>> Oh, congratulations. Really good. >> That's awesome. Okay, Franklin. >> Yeah, >> you can see self-s serving award. We can't stand an award. >> These are certified. Franklin Middle
School is >> Franklin Middle Samson Smith is >> right. >> Okay, let's >> if if they're certified, then how about possibility of of giving the board of education >> to the wrong spot?
Well, for example, if we click, they're silver certified. >> Yeah, that's silver like we are. >> Okay, >> that's pretty good. >> Uh, this is for the high school. So, let's see what they did. So, they did professional development for sustainability school district foundation. That's their
education foundation on-site renewable generation system for solar. Uh, district commitment to digital learning, equitable access to digital learning. Um, >> is this one school or several schools? >> This is the high school, but several of
them are actually certified under the sustainable Jersey for schools. >> So, the point is, how about the board of education, >> right? That's what I'm thinking cuz that's a lot. It's a lot to do this. It really is. >> They go by individual schools. >> Data security, >> all the police like like we would get
>> breakfast after the bell. So, if a student is late, breakfast is available. They can take it with them so they don't lose instruction. So, basically, they're making sure Okay. School garden. They have a school garden there. >> Yeah. >> Green cleaning supplies.
That's pretty good. What's this innovation project? Okay. This is about anti-racism equity. >> Um >> art. And we're going to have a big turnover in the board of education this year. Three people are leaving. >> Yeah.
>> They have a green team. They have an environmental club. >> Um >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> That's great. My daughter is in that environmental cup. >> They did a green challenge which is green fair. >> Green fair. >> Do they mention the EV show as part of
the green fair? >> Go back. >> Uh >> it would be No, this is green challenge. Green fair here. >> Uh let's see. Uh uh uhuh. Yep. Eevee association.
>> Where did you >> There it is. Yeah. provided specializ. Yeah. >> Now, this is just the high school. So, if you go back the whole district,
>> if you go back and look at the map, right? It looks like quite a few of the schools. >> They made the most of all the schools. >> Yeah. >> In the district. >> Now, where am I now? I think I went too far.
>> You need to touch with two fingers. >> Okay, Matuchin. Wait, where which way is Matuchin from here? I got to go up or down. >> Okay. Oh, there we go. All right.
>> Is that Franklin Somerset, >> right? So, so this is mislabeled because this is >> There's a silver ones in there. >> This is the high school silver. This is >> Franklin Middle School. It's also silver. >> So, they're certified. And I think >> this would be
>> Hillrest. >> Hill press. That's bronze. >> Yeah. >> And McAfee. >> I know it's annoying, right? >> McAfei is here. >> Oh, yeah. They're bronze. >> And that's
>> Samson G. Smith. >> Huh. >> A lot of the schools. >> Yeah. Although when I saw it earlier, the Claremont Avenue School. >> Oh, that one. Yeah, for sure. >> What is this?
>> The Elizabeth Avenue School. >> Bronze. And this just happened in 2024. Most of these. Oh, look. They almost got silver. They had 320. >> And now there's a silver down there. Is that still There's a bunch of silvers in there. >> That looks like it's in New Brun. Is
that a New Brunswick or East? >> Yeah, that's New Brunswick. Well, this might be the board of education might be a good one to consider if all these schools are certified. It's a hard program. It's just brainstorming. I can put it down as a >> I would go by individuals. I would pick
one if we >> Yeah. But how are we going to pick one if they're all like they've all gone through the same process, right? >> Yes. >> If we pick one, are we going to pick one another one another year? Another one another year? Uh >> what is unique about high school that
they have green fair? >> Yeah, >> no other school uh have green fair. >> Uh by the way, how many points? So 350. >> So Paul, with with this award, do we only give it to one person or one entity?
>> We have we have different categories. >> We had two. We do one for a person and one for an organization. >> Okay. Maybe you ought to have organization and then also school or something. I don't know. >> No, that the school could be the board or or you know. >> Okay.
>> What is this? >> Yeah, of course. >> Oh my gosh. 10. >> Wow. How did they collect it? >> Click on it. If you click on it again and then you click on see where it says view report. Yeah. Then you can like kind of scroll. >> Pine Grove got silver. Is that the only
silver spool? >> No. Pine Grove got silver, but they submitted 410. >> Were they the only silver school? >> No, high school was >> I think Avenue was because >> Isn't she now the principal high school?
>> I'm not sure. Maybe. >> Oh, so they have a district sustainability policy. So it's like Yeah, it's other >> they use lead. Yeah, they did all that stuff. >> Well, if this this stick sustainable policy, each of the schools collect points, right? Right. It's based on
school, right? >> The steam night. >> They have a steam night. Yeah. >> Well, we can think about it. We don't have to. I mean, but maybe think about do we do the board of ed because even if the other schools are not as highly certified in points as the other, they
still went through the process of getting certified, >> you know, which is a lot. I would make a motion that we spent an awful lot of time on this for something that we were just going to brainstorm on. >> I'm ready to move on. >> I'm ready to move on.
>> Wow. Green fair. >> Yeah. >> Pine Grove. >> Yeah. >> But they didn't have Eevee show. >> That wasn't about it. >> This was not on the agenda at all. >> No, it was >> where >> up here
>> of the stewardship or what? Okay. >> Um, but by the next meeting, we probably should maybe know cuz like I said, it takes time to get the PO approved and then I got to get the >> Let's let's consider this an opening thing for the next meeting so we can move on. >> Okay.
>> Well, starting to use up a little bit of time. >> One last thing. >> I drive by St. Matias every day and they look like they have about a couple acres of solar panels on those buildings >> and I understand they have a a involved program. I don't know what the details
are. Maybe somebody can find out. Um >> Yeah, we could look at that for the next meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. Cool. >> The next item is skip the stuff voluntary pro program. Any updates on that or
>> Yes. Uh okay. So I got the quote back on the decals and the information sign that we would put up basically. So, um, through the vendor that we use, they actually do have the cling decals or whatever that you could the business if they choose to do it can put in the
window. Um, and then also 8 and 1/2 by 11 basically like flyers they're called, but they would be laminated and then the business could put them on the counter so it can explain like why this is happening, what it is. Um, and so that for both things, a hundred of the
decals, a hundred of the flyers, it would be $445. >> So >> that's from the school, the township approved vendor. >> Yes. >> For how many flyers? And how many? >> 100 laminated flyers and they're not
really laminated. I shouldn't say that. They're on that paper that we use basically for the hunting signs so that they can like wipe off and they stay forever. Um, 100 of those, 100 of the clings. So, it's like a like a you peel this paper off and it sticks to your window but with no adhesive.
>> So, can our the township's printing department do those other things the the um larger things >> uh on the paper? You mean >> we could uh Well, no, we can't. Um I could probably ask the county print shop if they can do it, but I I mean they
would just laminate it, so which is no big deal or whatever. I guess >> I would I would rather spend more money on the decals. Yeah, >> that can go into stores. >> Um, >> you know, there could be a finite number or need of those, >> right?
>> Um, where with the the larger piece of paper, um, where you're handing them out all the time. If we can get that done basically for nothing if the county or the township >> Well, this isn't ones that we would hand out all the time. This is like we would give if a restaurant was participating, they would also get this. It's like a
laminated piece of paper that basically has So, they would only get it the restaurant. It's not like to give out to the public. It's just to give out to the restaurants with the >> poster, >> right? Yes. It's kind of like that. We could >> either way it would be cost us less if
we >> most likely. I'd have to get a quote from the print shop to see what because it has to be laminated because it's going to be like on a restaurant counter basically. Um, but I could definitely get a different quote for that. The clings for 100 of the clings, they're
$2.15 each. So, it's $215 for the clings. but they're cut to shape or whatever. They're seven by seven in. >> Oh, that's good size. >> Um, and then the digital printing, they're $2.30 each. That's $230.
>> This is the approved vendor, right? >> Yes. Now, we also can use the county as an approved vendor, but they don't do the clings. So, I could get we could get the clings from here if everyone's interested. I don't know if the county has laminating. I know like they do our trails maps and stuff. We don't get
those laminated. So, I'm not sure if we can get the if the county has laminating equipment or whatever. They might. Yeah. >> Just look into it and see what >> the clings. I asked for 100. We can ask for more and I can just say, "Hey, we're just going to go with the clings. Can
you start working on those and we want 100 or we want more? We want less." >> Yeah. That's a good start because >> it's not every business in the township and >> take out food >> and each business gets just one, right?
>> The ones that agree to participate. Yeah. >> Say, I have two doors. I have several windows and I want to have it in every window. >> Well, I guess if they have two doors, well, here's the thing. They would want it at the drive-through window for sure, >> right? Um, so I guess they probably do
need two clings each. One at the front door and probably at least one on the drive-through window. >> That's 50 food establishments. That's still a fair number. >> You get um is there a point where you get a better price if you get get a 100 or 200 or 400 >> for regular like paper items? There is
the cling. No. Yeah. No, the cling is kind of just like a specialty item, I guess. You know, so >> this this may be a strange question, but I'm thinking what are the clings made out of? I mean, what what what how do we how do we how long do we expect them to
be up and then when they've outlived their usefulness? >> Does it go in the garbage or is it recyclable? And the same thing with the >> I don't know if they are. All I know is that they're they're clinging on the front mounted from the inside. So they're they're made of like plastic, like a thin plastic. I think
>> it's the wrong battle to fight. >> Well, no. I'm I'm thinking more in terms of end of life of products cuz we make all these artificial things end of life. >> I think they'll stay but it's through the window. I think they'll stay for a while. Like I don't think I mean they're
going to be mounted on the inside. So they're not going to be like dealing with weather or anything but >> um >> each business would need two. So >> you know some would only need one. >> Some would only need one. Yeah, maximum two. I can always print.
>> Yeah. >> If they don't have volume discount, then okay, we'll just go with 100. >> Yeah. >> You want to start with 100 and see how it goes? >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. >> And I guess we got to figure out what the thing is. Are we going to just like send out to a hundred of these
businesses and then see what the response is if they put them up? Or >> I think that Robin's idea was that we should personally go by and talk to them. >> Right. >> Right. But I thought also she talked about talking to the chamber of commerce, >> right?
>> Because that's where not not all the stores are members, but most are. It's just important that you know. >> So you think 100 is good to start with or should we start get more? >> You can always get more afterwards. >> There's no difference in the price. You might as well just 100. >> Okay. So everyone's okay with the
clings. But and now what about the papers? Do you want me to check and see if um you can get them for cheaper at the county print shop? I would check the county pin shop. If you can't, then go ahead with this one. >> Does that work for Well, this I I do
need the like a vote on because I have to be okay to spend the money. >> Um, check with county. Let me write this down. Check with county >> and get quote or whatever. They're usually you want to give it as a package so if it's going to hold up stuff, you
know, you'll see what happens. But what let's see where where we are with that. >> All right. So, let's do it separately then for right now. So, the clings are $215. >> Okay. You need a motion. >> I'll make a motion to uh purchase the 100 clings. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor?
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. And I'll >> motion for Tara to look into the possibility of getting the the larger ones for better price at county or township wherever it can be done. Well,
she's already at the township uh vendor. That's where these are from. >> I'm talking about we have a doesn't attach them to the county or other. >> We have a signage a sign printing shop. Yeah. And they they do print certain signs, but usually on like metal and
things like that. So, I can check and but the county I know for sure can print can print things for us. I would I would think that somebody in a township, some department has some kind of laminating machine. >> I think GI it does, but they it's not
like they can print, you know, stuff out for other reasons. I think it's specifically for like their maps and things like that. So, >> I could ask for sure. >> Okay. >> Um I don't know how that goes like if we have to tra like I have to figure that out, but I can ask.
>> Okay. >> All right. So I can at least start ordering the clings. When these things come in, we'll have to come up with like a plan of how we're going to, you know, >> we need to develop a standard language and procedure, >> right? Correct. >> We do the outreach. Yes. >> Yes. >> We that we need
>> and Robin put together a lot of information so far, but it's early, so we need to like kind of work through it, but we have some things. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. All right. >> Awesome. Since E's not here, we've done the the night plans uh and education was really
uh do you have any committee report stuff? >> Uh yes, I um was it committee or I um actually exchanged email today with uh with Maria. Um the activity that was uh
pinned for August 28th uh at the testing is not available. So she's uh pretty much decided that it will have to be rescheduled for September. >> I don't remember what it was but it was probably in the previous minutes. >> It was the residential energy outreach
and it was for like conserve your dollars through energy efficiency. Correct. >> I did get her in touch with the woman from PSCNG. So, she has that woman as a contact and she's willing to come speak, >> but she was the only one that could be confirmed as a speaker. So, Maria said move it to September or whatever. Right.
Yeah. >> Well, go ahead. But I have uh also uh so last time I was talking about uh the personal inerson meetup of New Jersey Electric Vehicle Association
which uh is coming up this Sunday, August 10th in Colonial Park in the Pine Grove Pavilion. I uh send email to you. Uh you can pre show it on the screen and I copied everyone else. Um
>> right. >> Uh we we will have pizza that will be made in on premises using uh equipment that is powered through electric truck. >> Oh wow. >> Because we want to demonstrate that uh
electric vehicles can serve as a um energy source. Uh and uh the demonstration is vehicle to load. Um there are terminologies like vehicle to grid, vehicle to home and in this case
some sort of general vehicle to load. Uh we will have some other demonstrations like uh uh another vehicle will be charging u another vehicle uh which we coincidentally uh do as needed when we have uh events.
Last week we had first responder EV awareness event in uh Warren County in Alamucci. Uh one uh person arrived with smart electric vehicle which had a range that he couldn't make it round trip home but
we put him next to Ford F-150 Lightning and during those two hours we plugged the vehicle in and it sit enough charge that the person could return back home without stopping for charge. >> So this is one of those uh demos that
that we also do. Um that email includes registration link. We prefer that people register. If you register, you get free pizza. >> Excuse me. Until supply last. >> Mhm. >> Nice. >> At the last time uh when I discussed
with the person who is organizing it, we had 35 38 registrations and we think we have pizza for 50 people. >> So I invited county officials. I invited
uh Ed Patasnik and mayor mayor excused himself that he's on vacation at uh he first said he may come for some time and then he pretty much declined so I don't know and I didn't get response from any of the county commissioners
>> yet so um but yeah it is in in our town and it is essentially for the whole state >> when is is >> it is on uh Sunday, August 10th. >> Sunday 12 to 4. The pizza is from 1 to
3. >> August 10th. >> Yes, it's at the Pine Grove Pavilion in Colonial Park. >> Right. >> Um so yeah, goes from 12:00 to 4:00. The pizza is 1 to 3 and the link is there. And yes, Stan sent it to everybody. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let me see what we're doing on
Sunday. We'll check >> and you can come for half an hour, you know. >> Yeah. Uh we will not have any official test drives but um EVA is part of um or
accepted campaign from generation 180 10,000 rides. Uh the campaign is uh to get people to sit into electric vehicles. So what the campaign is encouraging anyone who owns electric
vehicle to offer a test drive or ride let's put it that way right this is safer that you can sit next to the driver uh we'll take one photo we'll complete online form and uh you get a
sticker if you have a ride so having said that now I have um how many stickers here four it's probably dark now But that may be another day, you know. Um, whoever doesn't drive electric kid 1, two, three, four. So stick
>> we're going to write. >> I'm not asking you to buy like >> No, no. This purpose I'm just asking you to write. >> No, no, no. Don't like >> a comment. It was kind of light-hearted. >> We wrote an electric vehicle Saturday
from um, can I walk? >> Did you complete the form? No, >> no, we should do a complete song. >> Okay. >> I took a photo and >> Okay. We we went from here to Collingswood and back. >> And that was >> Yeah. >> And then he went Sunday morning to
replace whatever he used so he could ride, you know, start home. >> Yeah. >> That was on the equinox. >> Okay. So, uh that one then uh the sustainability hero we already uh >> Yeah. Congratulations.
>> Okay. So now we have two people on commission who earned that award because uh that got it what 10 years ago. >> I was one too. I was one like five years ago. >> You were too.
>> Yeah. So now we're good. >> Okay. >> Cool. Well, congratulations, Dan. That's exciting. >> Yeah. My my youngest daughter is driving an an electric Mustang. Oh, a mustang. I love my Mustang.
Four on the floor. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, that's the committee reports. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Hot topics. We have anything there? We did some of in between. We We've sort of missed topics.
>> I don't think so. I think we're good. Yeah. >> Okay. So, let's move on to old business. >> Well, I would regard as a hot topic. Not that we can do anything about it, that
the commissioner of the EPA is proposing to withdraw the the basic finding that carbon dioxide accumulation in >> endangerment in 2009. endangerment finding in 2009
>> which will remove the scientific backing from all regulations of such >> should be put in a hot box of temperature increased increased and increased
>> I don't think we put that in the minutes >> without access to water >> or too much water just Um, >> I don't think any other hot topics. The first one under old business, that's what Stan reported on that Maria is
working on hosting that event, >> right? >> The lights out event. I haven't had a chance to talk to Bob Warlocker about that yet. He's now on vacation until the end of the the end of next week and I'm on vacation all next week. I just want to let everyone know that. >> Okay.
>> Um, if you need me, you know, you can always email me, but I probably won't answer this time. Don't get back. Um, the appointment of the youth member of the EC, I have not gotten a response back from Councilman Patnik yet, so I have to follow up with him on that again.
>> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um, I don't think there's any other old business. Uh, there may be if somebody has something else. >> Oh, I one thing I wanted to ask about also to confirm Franklin Day. Is that September 13th?
>> Yes. Yes. >> I'm going to be in Europe. >> You'll be gone? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, but I was going to bring up something on the same topic. You know, we as as a minimum should have something to distribute. >> Well, we have I have about 50
nightlights. >> Yeah. Well, >> I'm I'm thinking of brochures, maybe a couple hundred. I don't know where we can get them from. I want to look for Anjac or >> I still have some we use, but they're really getting dated. >> I have Did I give them to you, Arie? No,
wait. I'm I'm getting my committees confused. Hold on a second here. I got stuff from Dark Sky International for the um Firefly event. So, we have Frozen. >> I have some. >> Who did I give bookmarks to? Was it you or No. Am I thinking of somebody else?
>> I gave bookmarks to Oh, wait. No, no, no. I gave them to someone on the trails committee and I think it was about ticks. So, that won't work here. Okay. Um, yeah, we can definitely there's, you know, if you go if you go even on D, a lot of times you
can get free brochures and things like that. So, I can look up ANJ and see if we can get some brochures on certain things. >> Well, and Jack at the state, whoever. Absolutely. >> I have I have whatever dark sky stuff we had on the firefight night. I have all those. >> Okay. >> It's not a lot. It's just in a bag, you
know, that kind of thing. But, but I have >> Okay, that's a good point. So, we can start working on that now, Walter. I'll start looking it up >> and I'll I'll bring in that >> include the federal EPA as well. I mean they are being undermined but that material somewhere you know. >> Yeah. No, I've been able to get free
things like a lot if you look around even D sometimes they are like looking to get rid of some things. So >> might as well get them while they last while they're >> there. The other thing to kind of add just to Walters um for Franklin Times the articles are due August 15th. I know
like our trails committee has put in one. Um if anyone is in wants to put an article in or wants to write up an article about an environmental topic to put in the upcoming edition of the environmental of the Franklin Times. >> It's due August 15th. So I don't know if
anyone has anything they want to write about or um if we want to just put an article together that kind of says like what we've been working on. Um I wish I knew about the sustainable jersey certification by August 15th. I wonder if I will
because if that happens then I can put that in there. >> Just think about it. We there's no requirement to put an article in there. But maybe I should put another Firefly walk in there. >> Yeah, >> cuz I have pictures. >> You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to We've just got to the printer next
week. I've I write Well, now it's a committee. We do u government affairs in the monthly newsletter and uh the stuff about a little bit about the firefly event. >> Oh, if you have that and I can have pictures that'd be awesome. Okay, great. >> I can take a picture of I've got
brochures brochures from the sky. >> Excellent. Okay, sounds good. >> Maybe Robin might have a picture. >> She she emailed me some pictures. So, I have >> Oh, you have those? Good. >> Okay, so we can put that in there. I'll send you the uh the final draft which we
got today >> because we go to the printer tomorrow. >> Excellent. >> The fifth everything has to >> That'll be helpful. It's always good to get something in there if we can, you know. So, >> it's something a little different. >> Yeah. >> And we we added the address of the grasslands.
>> Oh, good. >> Which really is Griggstown? >> Yeah. It's the zip code is Griggstown, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. >> But it's Franklin Township, I guess. Is Griggstown one of the villages? >> It is. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's what I thought. >> But they like the Princeton zip code
also. >> Yeah, they're actual address Princon. Yeah. >> Okay. So, in that case, I think um if the does the public have any notices? No. Okay. We we could make a formal motion to ask for public comment.
>> Absolutely. I move to >> we'll follow the format. >> Yeah. Second seconds and all in favor. >> No comment. You made yours in the middle. >> Was the first time that he would jump
like >> Yeah, I know. I apologize. But sometime I was confused. >> No, that's okay. >> No, the right time. >> You weren't confused. His body was confused. >> Yes, you were. You knew. Yes. >> Okay. Okay. motion.
>> What was the article that you're you have that you're suggesting we submit to Franklin Times? >> Well, a little article on the Firefly event. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. >> The joint with with with Dark Sky and
who else? There was another >> trails committee. The trails committ. >> So, if you send me that then I can review it and get it in there. >> Move to move to the public. >> I make a motion to close the comments. >> It was not a second. Second. All in favor? >> I then the next thing is to make a
motion to adjurnn. >> I interrupted you. So >> talking about all in favor of enjoyment. >> All right. >> I >> Yes.