In accordance with the open public meeting act of the state of New Jersey, adequate notice of this meeting of the Franklin Township was made by posting on the Bolton board in the municipal building posting on the township's website and electronically transmitted
to the officially designated newspapers indicating this meeting will take place in person at 7:00 on November 17th. 2025. >> Okay. >> Recycle. >> So that's the opening statement.
A couple things on the chair report I want to mention. Um >> agendas. Oh, >> attendance. Roll call. >> Yes. Roll call comes through. >> Okay. Walter >> here. >> Ron >> here. >> Stans >> present. >> Ellen >> present.
>> Easy here. >> Ted >> here. Maria >> here. Arnold here, me here, Tara here, Ed's not here. Okay. >> Okay. So, got rid of both >> and then the chair report. Um, I
received a recent email from the US Green Building Council and um I think it's an interesting opportunity for Franklin and the ECU. Uh, they now have a program to certify cities. uh lead for city certification cohort is a local
government moving toward certification. This is version five of the lead system. the this book um or this book here that I have this is the foundation of the business started I
was on this committee for eight years to write this book and all the the subsequent versions all came from this and anybody can see the details on materials and I worked on the material section but there's all sorts of stuff
in here um So um I've sent an email to Mark Keley about this opportunity asking for a meeting and or conversation also would come under Ed Pataznik because he's in this would require data acquisition and
analysis change to the master plan and also require a budget because there are fees involved. um there are regular meetings and perhaps bringing in a certified USGBL EGBC um lead practitioner. I never got
certified because I was writing the thing and I never felt I needed to certify what I was writing. >> So it was I never got certified. I've sent an email to or I did send an email this morning to USGBC getting asking for some contact and
additional information because these two sheets give you some idea but it's not all the details. >> Um the Claremont school was built to lead standards so there is some expertise in the community. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And lead gold said they couldn't afford
lead platinum. >> No, it it's I said it's fees. There's a lot of fees involved. um if we proceed it would be a significant project but will enhance the township reputation and desiraability and it's a good thing. >> So so I I brought this just to give
people some idea of this is some of the things that in the years that I was with them you know green builders and all this kind of thing. >> Let's hope Mark Healey responds encouraging. >> Yeah. If not I'll give him another phone call because I've got another issue. canal walk wants me to help him them get
some rocks on the gullies along western road between Metlers and Elizabeth because it's very narrow. We don't want to change the designation that's got to stay scenic by way. But when there's a truck coming this way and you're going that way, you tend to move this way and
the road is so narrow people fall off the edge. Mhm. >> So this the solution maybe is to just fill the the gullies with some rocks or something so you have to cover. So um also they caught a ocean which this I didn't tell you. I want to thank Arnold
and Ed and for for the comments that you made against the pipeline. I I read those and that was very good. Um and also I went to Jersey Mike's and Mo to look at save the stuff. Also, I left one a um they took a picture and there was
he was going to talk to the owner >> and Moh took one of the sheets. So, now I don't have any enough sheets. We got lots of >> I have to get you there. So, I I did and there's more there. There's an Indian restaurant and there's a Chinese restaurant as well that do take out. >> Yeah. Great.
>> So, anyway, I know you were doing all that stuff and I figured I'd chip in a little bit. >> Great. >> So, so that's my um opening remarks. But it could set us on an interesting path. It will be a lot of work. It's not >> even that simple. There are quarterly
meetings of mayor cohorts and you know he's got whatever >> and if you go to them there's an expense. So the budget won't be enough to cover it as it is >> and that's why we need market and it >> I have a question. If if the town goes
moves into that direction. >> Yes. >> And um they choose they prepare a cohort that attends the 12 meetings. >> You right. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It started with Maria. >> Oh >> yeah. I followed up.
>> And then um I read about a $8,000 fee. >> Is it that much? I didn't ruin that. >> I I read the packet uh the does that means that at the end >> um for >> Terara we have the township has to pay that. Okay,
>> that's what it looks like. Yeah, it would be very interesting to see if perhaps our clean communities money might be able to help with that. Of course, but uh >> potentially >> so there's some grant money also to do this. >> I want to give some context to this. Yes,
>> I started with u working no not dealing with them. Remember when I mentioned that I was doing those uh training for teachers in Puerto Rico? >> Yes. >> Two summers ago. So they were involved in that with climate generation. >> So I was volunteering doing that. So
they offered to the to the facilitators first the green classroom professional certificate that I took and I passed. And then they kept me in the in the same email and that's what I'm receiving these things. >> That's where you got it. >> That's the reason.
>> So, one thing led to the other one. This is bigger than I thought I could, you know. It's >> very big. >> So, McKenzie um Mckin Mindo, she emailed me back saying I told her, "We don't know what the town is going to decide." And she
said, "Thank you for letting me know. I would also like to introduce you." I mean and the town, you know, the people that get into cohort to the our vice president of sustainable cities as well as Paul Wesorf who is based in in Connecticut. And then I told her, well,
I can it will be determined today. And um and she said in another email, well, if they accept to go into this, I can meet with the team or oneonone or have a one-on-one conversation with >> know what's involved.
>> Yes. So if this is I don't know what the decision is going to be, let me know so I can then uh forward an an intro email with McKenzie and and Tara and you know the are going >> there are two cities in New Jersey that
have done this Hoboken and Woodbridge being Woodbridge Newark. >> Yeah, the list they only have Newark. >> I didn't see Newark. I went I went on the website and there was >> smart cities >> and there was a whole list of of towns
and >> packet because in >> Yeah, I have the packet up but I didn't go I didn't see the other city either. I didn't see Hoboken either. >> Yeah, Hoboken was listed. >> So that's how I got into that and then I said okay my god it's too big. I don't know how to handle this. It's too much.
>> Yeah, it's a big thing. >> It is. >> It is. So I hope that you know >> so it's something to see see what happens. Well maybe set up a meeting. You know, we've talked about the master plan. We talked about meeting that it >> could help make that happen. >> Oh, for sure.
>> Yeah. Because this this involves changing the parts of the master plan >> which have to be updated next year anyway. >> That's a good good timing. >> I mean, it's not something that happen overnight. >> The master plan has to be updated by the end of next year, >> right? And this is a way to do it.
>> One of the elements. >> One of the elements. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, um, so I I wanted to put that on the table as a start just so everybody sees where we might be able to go. >> So, uh, then, um, approval of the minutes for November 5th. >> So, move.
>> So, move. >> Any changes or modifications or such? Arnold, do you anything or No, >> I wasn't here for that meeting. you. There's one one thing I want to grab the minute that the
communications the Franklin High School aviation teacher has been lined up for a session, but I don't know exactly what the session is. >> Sustainable aviation fuel. That's what I
guessed. But alternative >> sustainable aviation fuel. Okay. >> Okay. >> Got it. Okay. So, with that change that Ted made
>> Okay. Then that's the only change. >> Okay. We're going to accept the minutes with the with that change. Okay. So moved. >> So moved. Everybody in favor? >> I >> I Okay. Correspondence. I've got two letters from the state of New Jersey.
>> U which is a change. The first one is that they're going to replace the Griggstown Causeway Bridge, which is I think that's the one that's a one lane bridge. >> Yes. >> Let us in the two the onelane bridge is the one over the river,
>> right? >> This is the bridge over the canal. That's this one. This one says the replacement of the Chapel Hill Drive bridge. Chapel Drive over the Delaware Ron Canal Township of Franklin. Letter provided legal
notification application for a flood hazard area individual permit and freshwater general permit will be submitted to the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, Division of Land Resource Protection for the project included on the map. The project
proposed consists of replacement of the chap Chapel Drive bridge with a new two-lane bridge. Additional project component include comping with ADA, bicycle, and pedestrian, raising the roadway profile to maintain existing freeboard over the canal water surface.
So that's this one. >> It's from >> and there's a map showing where it is. >> It's from DOT, right? >> No, this is from the state of New Jersey. Yeah, it is from the DOT. >> Yeah. And this one says replacement of Griggstown Causeway CR 632 over the
Delaware American Canal structure >> township of Franklin. Same same wording. Um proposed project consists of replacement of the Griggstown Causeway Bridge with a new two-lane bridge. Additional project components will
include bridge widening to comply with pedestrian and accessibility requirements and raising the roadway profile. And so that's that was >> where's Chapel Drive. What's the first one? >> Oh, that's at Zarafest. That's not a
Greek st. So one's at zer that's Oh, that's one on that one. Yeah. >> Greek. And this is the other one. Yeah. See, this is Franklin Park here. Couple drives up here. >> Yeah,
>> this is like that right there. >> They're both in Franklin Township. >> Yeah, that's a big deal. That bridge. >> It is. >> It doesn't give any start dates. >> They have to get approvals first. >> And how long will it take? >> It depends. You know, I'm I'm waiting
four years to get an approval. I'm waiting four years for approval for um LED powered solar light crossings on the causeway and the Del work river all that area. Now everything's done except D.
All the other approvals are done. If they get that they'll start going out for bid. Maybe by the spring they'll actually start working. Four years I found my first letter from 2021. So, so that's public comment and
correspondence. Oh, we didn't do public comment. Uh, anybody motion to um move >> second? >> All in favor? >> Anybody have any comments? >> I don't. >> Welcome to the meeting. >> Thank you,
>> Bill. I'm glad you're going back here. you staying >> good. >> Um, for >> you're allowed to make any comments if you wanted. >> I'll probably >> Okay. Uh, there's no site plans. >> We have no site plans again.
>> Let me um, yes, >> bring anybody up to date on B9. Um there was a hearing um and it's going to be the judge uh is set December 18th I think it is or 15th for a hearing
on the people that are objecting to various for the um the judge over the uh the planning board voted 9 to0 against the B9 warehouse. The judge overturned that and now he's getting comments from the plaintiffs saying, "Hey, you know,
we we object to these four. We object to these two. There were 30 conditions and um two of them, both the intervenor and B9 objected to and two um just the uh B9
objected to. My guess is the judge is certainly not going to accept 11 and 22 because it's sort of move time of application, those kinds of things. The other two I'm not sure about. But um that's due in December. So then he'll
have a decision sometime in January and then the board will have to meet again to vote on all these things and do all the stuff. >> You said there's going to be a hearing on the 19th. >> Um he's gonna supposed to come out with a decision. >> Oh, okay. >> No, you're right. It's a a a a
conference of of the uh the opponents and and the judge, I guess. >> Is that a public conference? >> I don't think so. I'm not sure. I just said think so. Let me see if I can find it. Hold on one second.
Yeah. Well, they've been talking about this replacing those bridges for years, but they they move glacially slowly. >> The replacement of the Grizztown Causeway is in the Somerset County um
emergency management plan >> uh because it floods bad there and it like causes a lot of Yes, it's a choke point. It leaves people in vulnerable situations. So, it's still going to probably take quite a while, but Judge
Judge Menon rendered a decision dated April 24th, vacated the planning board, um made the B the B9 application. Court set the following governing for remand and imposition. The the planning board adoption of the resolution was due uh
containing the reasonable conditions was due October 31st and they sent they sent that in. Objections, if any, by the parties to reasonable conditions were due November 17th. Just Yeah. Case management conference will be December
18th, 2025 at 2:30 uh p p.m. I think that's just a conference between the intervenor, the plaintiff, and the township and the judge. I don't I don't know that those are open to public, but it may be. Um C se Cwag is the
interveners. They objected to conditions 11, 15, 22, and 29. B9 objected to conditions 11 and 22. On December 18th, it is anticipated the court will address the objection and enter a final judgment or order incorporating the reasonable
conditions. Um he goes into more stuff. Um then the above then the minor after December 18th the matter will then be right for appeal with new notices of appeal likely to be filed by the planning board and CW.
So this could stretch into spring. So anyway that's that brings up the date on that. Ah okay. So we have new business. Um, and I think um, Yvon's not here. He
>> just walked in. >> Good, good, good. >> Timely. >> Um, new business recommendation for the chair to the council. And I guess I make the recommendation that we accept Ivonne as a member of the >> This is for the chair. For the chair
position. >> Oh, the chair. Oh, no, that's me. Oh, you want to serve? Sure. >> Okay. We have to make a recommendation to council every year about the chair because the chair for these is appointed. >> We recommend Paul. >> Okay. >> I appreciate that.
>> Well, the next one is for you, Von. >> Uh, yes. So, we have we have Robins first, Walter second for Paul to be chair again for 2026. >> I'll call the vote. All those in favor? >> All opposed? Okay.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. So I will write that up and send it to our council so that they have that >> right. Okay. >> Okay. >> Now we do recommendation for EC commission to fill a vacancy beginning in 2026.
>> So we have the vacancy that Robin we know is unfortunately stepping down at the end of the year which we're going to miss her. It's be hard to fill that spot that's for sure. Mhm. >> Um, we do have interest from Javon. He's been attending our meetings. He's been
really proactive. He sent an email which I forwarded to all of you that he is interested in potentially filling the seat. So again, the the process is is that if we receive interest from someone, we if we agree to that, we send it into the township council for them to
make the appointment. We cannot appoint it. So we can send a recommendation. It doesn't guarantee that that spot will be appointed, but that's the recommendation. So, >> and we have his resume to go along with that, >> right? He has sent his resume in. He sent his letter of interest in. Yes.
>> And remember that the normal process is the new appointment is the second alternative and everybody moves up. >> And I did say that to Ann Marie when I wrote to about Robin leaving. So, the way it works just so everyone here knows our our alternate. So, that Maria is an
alternate, right? and so is Ellen. So Maria would move up to full member. Ellen would would move up to alternate one and then the new person would be alternate two. Alternates have the same real, you know, responsibilities. The one thing is that in the event that we
have a quorum really your vote is not it's the quorum's vote counts, but we still listen to your your vote of course. So you know it's not like it's discounted. So >> we we we accept the alternates here here in front of us. >> We do. Absolutely. Yes. You have all the
the same responsibilities as a full member basically. Yeah. >> So all in favor? Do we take a vote on it or >> Well, so I guess does anyone have questions or comments? So again, Javon, we had if he's here to answer questions if anyone has any. And again, >> I would just make a recommendation to
Jioon. Go on the ANJ website, Association of New Jersey Environmental Commissioners, and read the Commissioner Handbook, including the enabling legislation. It's good to know what creates the this
commission and what the commission is responsible for based on the legislation. And then you can read a great deal more about what ANject recommends effective commissions work. That's all in the handbook. >> Okay. >> It's really okay.
>> It's a very helpful resource. >> Thank you. >> Be the first time we've had somebody with a finance background, I think, on the on the commission and that that can be helpful. >> So good. >> Well, we have to make the
recommendation. We have to make the the memo. Yeah. the recommendation. Yep. As a motion. >> Yes. So, all in favor? >> I I >> All right. So, I will send that memo to our clerk, Javon. If that does go
through, it's appointed by council. Like I said, you'll receive something from our township clerk in the new year. >> Okay. >> So, it'll still be a few month well, not really that long. So, about a month and a half before, but yes. >> January.
>> Yeah. So, just so you know, so that's the process. So, now that this this has been done, we can send that memo and they'll make their appointment and then you'll be notified. So, >> all right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Why don't we give one of these queen? Why not?
>> I'm wondering whether I have to make it clear somehow in the minutes that this is not Walker that was on the commission. >> Oh, yeah. You probably >> number of years. I looked I looked
>> probably >> let's be generous. Yes, >> they did a lot about >> groundwater pollution in Franklin Park. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> And I'll make it clear in the memo so again we don't have the problem we did and I'll reach out to Ed about how you
know it's the alternate you know we're moving everybody up and etc. So Okay. >> Okay. Good. >> Cool. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Now the um the third item is the budget recommendation. You have a budget listed. I saw that in your >> Yes. So the way the budget works is our
budget is listed under the planning board. Um and so the last three years we've been making recommendations to the planning board for the budget. Um and Mark incorporates it into the planning board budget. So all we do is basically send what our recommendations are to
Mark and he really never gives us any kind of problem. Now that we're talking about this lead thing, that is a recommendation we can put in for the budget. So if we need money, now is a perfect time. Now I can again not guarantee that's going to be approved, >> but if it could be and so I think we
should go through the budget. Well, we have to go through the budget and make recommendations. So last year, for example, the first thing on there is our annual ANject due was $400. So that's that's the because that's what it is. >> And you said that that actually increase to $450. Did it did increase to 450?
Yes, Ted, you're right. Thank you. >> I did. You're correct. You're correct. Okay, so the budget for an dues has to go up to 450 because that's what it is. >> Thank you. The plaques, the plaques actually went to 175 for the two plaques
that we got this year. So, I don't we have to bump it up to at least 175 unless you want to bump it up to 200 to be on the safe side for next year. >> The way things are going, it's a good idea. because everything is increasing. >> So 200. Okay. Educational opportunities
for environmental commissioners. I tried to get the actual expenditures from Mark before he left, but he didn't get them to me. I went through and kind of peacemealed like what we paid for the ANJ Congress and some other things we went to. So it looks like we spent about 600 of that 750. So I would recommend
keeping it at 750 because maybe other members want to go to Congress next year, other things. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So education for us is and like a new member might we might want to send to training and things like that. So unless anyone here wants to bump it up
>> 750. >> Um and then we have signage promotional items for events we had at 700. So from what I can go back and look at it looks like we spent only about 450. However, we can print more. Skip the stuff. We can print more. So we might and more.
>> We never found our toll. >> No. >> No. And I went through my office. >> We bought that. So somewhere is the artwork already. >> Yes. >> You might want to make sure you put your hands on that. Make sure that's >> Was that in that 700?
>> Do we want to keep it at 700 or bump it up for promotional materials? >> I would go. Yeah. Go. I'd bump it up somewhere. >> If we bump it up a little, we can print other or we can like have giveaways at the at um Franklin Day or
events that we have. Whatever. >> Well, we're pretty active for $2,000 a day. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> Maria, do we have any more of those nightlights left or did we get them all out? >> We don't have anything of that. >> Okay. >> We asked them last time.
>> Yeah. You said you got a new box. >> I did. I have a new box in my office. >> Oh, good. Because you said giveway. >> I'm going to keep the stuff keep the stuff away. Perfect. So everyone get their >> Well, the other thing is for events too. I know we talked about like if we have the films having like popcorn and stuff
that can come out of that line as long as it's approved. >> We've gone to the STEM events in the schools. Yeah. >> And you know we're a thousand maybe. >> Up to you guys. We don't have to use it all. It's a budget. It's up to you guys. >> So you want me to I'm going to write it
down as a thousand. We have to vote on it at the end so we can go through it piece by piece. I'll read it. >> Yeah. The last thing is is the if we want to put a new item in for the project of this lead project and I can explain that to Mark because it'll be me working on it with him.
>> More hours >> either well if we put a line item in then I can bill that line item or Mark can bill that line item the professional whoever that might be if there's another professional but we probably want to put another line item in for that. So you
read you read it and you said you said what was the thing that you saw >> details and and I was like okay uh it seems like the cohort maybe the whole environmental commission or whoever wants to join right >> and um >> well we we join as a community we join
as a town. Well, apparently there's a cohort. So, there's a team. There's a team. >> There's a team that needs to be uh um and that's why they have a webinar on tomorrow, right? At one >> Yeah. December, >> but it says it said even though there is
a December 1st deadline, you can join anytime. >> It said that. Yeah. >> Well, I would like to I register for for the webinar because I >> Okay. >> It's just >> Why don't we do this for that lead item since you're going to the webinar? Can you tomorrow afterwards or the next day
email me and tell me what the fee is? >> Okay. >> And if everyone here agrees then we can put that amount in because I don't want to just pick a number >> first time you know discount or something >> because they mentioned Bank of America giving some funding
>> and maybe we go in. >> That's an old one >> for half price. We let Mark know we lobbyed hard. We're taking what we can. >> Absolutely. And then in this budget, is there anything else that anyone can think of? Any other projects or anything else that you want to make a request
for? >> I think you've got you you built up a couple things. That gives us some leeway as well. >> Yeah. So, we increased an by $50. We increased the plaques by $50. >> We increased the signage by $300. So,
that's $400 increase from last year. >> Well, what kind of refreshments are we considering? I don't remember us getting refreshments to any events yet. >> We didn't. But now we know this year if we bump that line item up and because we know last year we had some leftover, you
can get refreshments for um events. So if you want to get like you said popcorn for your Yeah. >> If you're having an event that you want to serve that, you can. It's almost worth budget money. Keep in mind, the only thing I want to let you know is that in order to order that kind of
stuff, it's not like we can just like that day be like, "Hey, I'd like to order whatever." Like, we have to pay by purchase order. So, it takes time. So, we got to have that stuff planned out. Yeah. >> Time to I knew I had >> weeks probably. >> Maybe a week and a half.
>> This is the certificate I got. >> Wonderful. Yeah. >> Um, how about it's not maybe big financial item, but we go outreach to restaurants, skip the stuff, and you know, it could be nice. We have a >> Yes. I
also think if I'm stepping down, but for things like this, skip the stuff, if we had a just a plain business card that said Franklin Township Environmental Council, even if it doesn't have our name. >> Okay. >> People ask me for that. Exactly. that has the municipality's address and it has the EC's email address.
>> Well, that can come out of the signage and promotional items and I don't think that that will be that much money. >> Um, one thing the trails advisory committee did last year this year, they all got um t-shirts made because they all lead walks. So, they got the orange t-shirts.
>> That's something if you wanted a t-shirt or whatever >> nice for Franklin Day and for these education sessions for people to wear the t-shirt. >> Yeah. I mean that can come out of promotional items so we can use that budget accordingly but I'm just putting stuff out there. So >> I think it's a good idea. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Probably we tried the business cards and four locker said no one time. >> Yes. So that was before that was before we had a budget. So you guys never had a budget until two years ago. There was no line items were inv there is. There's line items. >> Most stores said they have a card. So
I'm writing out looks so unprofessional. It really does. >> Why would they take us seriously? So now that we have budget, we have we can charge things and we have been doing it. So which is good. So yeah, >> we ought to do that early. >> We have money left over in that part of the budget. Uh this year
>> I think so I didn't get the exact expenditures before Mark left but from just a brief calculation I think we have about $200ish dollars on >> because those cards, you know, those business cards are very inexpensive. You could probably do that out of this year. probably could do it out of >> you have to spend the money by
>> it's calendar year so it's calendar year so we absolutely had it here >> just plain that says Franklin Township Environmental Commission with our email address >> use the logo >> the logo and I'll put the QR code to the website >> developed actually the generic uh
business card when we were ordering the the big camera >> Oh you did yes you did I still have that >> on it does yeah Okay, >> that's great. >> Do you want to put the township uh website on there also? >> Yeah, we want to make sure that I will check, but we want to make sure that it
has >> Well, we put the EC's website, that's also the township and the EC's email. >> Yeah, we can do that. >> Phone number, but that's okay. >> You can always write the phone number on the back of the card
>> and write your own name. >> Oh, yeah, of course. Okay. So, let's let's I'll look we'll get me and Stan will look at the details cuz he did actually create that already. So, we can just go through and modify it. But right now, let me read to you
back the budget and then um we'll leave the space. So, Maria, can you just make sure you find out what that amount is on the webinar tomorrow? >> Yeah, I'm I'm trying to find you go to the webinar. It'll be >> put in my calendar. So, >> perfect. The reason I developed the
design is probably because it was planned >> to be to be made anyway. >> Yeah. >> I think that was the hope. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So the money, >> you know, we can do it >> within this year's budget. We can do that. >> Yeah. So the lead is a one-time payment
for a year. Is it annual? >> No, there's annual payments >> and then um there have five annual payment but also uh certification. It's like every five years. >> Yeah, there's an initial and then it's you know but then what'll happen also
they do annual meetings around the country and um they have all the vendors and that kind of stuff are there. >> It is from 1 to two I I sign up. So >> Okay. So the budget would be the following. It would be ANJACK would be $450 for the
dues. The plaques would be $200. That's for our environmental stewardship awards. Um education for commissioners and opportunities would be $750. Promotional and event material supplies is $1,000. >> That's where that's where you get the
quad money from, >> right? And then we'll have a spot. We're going to add a fifth line in there which will be for this lead project. And Maria is going to find out what the actual number is and we'll enter that there. >> And the program is called smart cities, right? >> Lead smart.
>> Smart cities. >> Yeah. >> But is smart cities use that because a lot of people don't know what lead is, but smart cities sounds very flattering. >> Yeah. >> So when we're talking to people, use persuasive language.
>> Okay. It might be that not all of the fees would come due in the the next year. >> Correct. And and it might be for a new municipality that's never done this. There might be some >> Yeah. >> What this says a good line. It says
resident want to meet with the team. That means that they're really trying to help. >> Yeah. This says lead for cities accelerators are short short-term learning cohorts that help places get oriented to the rating system and how to use
sustainability framework in day-to-day operations. New offering assists leaders new to lead for cities with collecting data benchmarking sustainability performance and navigating the certification process. And I think
samples of master plan >> Yeah. >> documentation would be really valuable. >> This is the map of where cities have already done this at various levels. >> And it shows it shows three in Jersey, but maybe that's New York State. I'm not
sure cuz I was sort of on the list. >> All right. Can I just real quick? So we're on the budget right now. I just want to make sure. >> Yes. I need a motion everything to get this memo in. We approve the budget as Tara just read it. >> Second. >> Second.
>> Favor. >> Okay. So, Maria, once I have your info, I'll add it and then I can send that memo to Mark Healey so he can put it in his budget proposal. >> The first question I asked him. >> Awesome. Yes. Right. Like, hello. How much? >> Yes. >> That's why I sent him I left him.
>> I sent him an email. >> Yeah. So yeah, definitely you can absolutely yeah work through me cuz it'll be him and I working on it most we get together. >> Absolutely. Explain what we're trying to do. >> That works perfect. >> You your note about um that Mayor Kramer
is already a a mayor city something >> we were a client mayor where he did not reertify last year. >> We did not. And so is that on our agenda or no? I don't think so. It's not it's not on >> but basically I'll just give you the update on that is that we did not
reertify last year because we didn't get out we didn't get a lot out of it. It basically became like a paperwork thing where every year we had to reertify but what was being offered back we can get these webinars on or you know educational items through anjack through sustainable jersey. So it just wasn't
worth the time that it took to put because every putting the application together every year took a few hours. So, >> it wasn't really worth the sustainable jersey that we're doing will be a big help in this. >> Oh, it is. Yes. But it's like another certification program, but we're not
getting like much out of it. Yes, we're not. So, we didn't we didn't redo it. So, >> is it paid uh service? >> Not a paid service. No. >> Nope. >> Okay. So, um we're up to skip this stuff.
>> Mhm. So, I added the new participants I got from Maria and Robin. >> Read the names aloud. >> Yeah, let me find them. Hang on. >> If we're going to spend money at one of these places, spend it where they're participating with us. >> All right. Hang on. So, I asked that
they be added to the website. I checked right before. They're not on there yet. So, um, who sent this to me? Maria. Okay, let me go on my email. Give me one second here. Alrighty. Bear with me. Bear with me.
Bear with me. Um, I want to see what I sent to it. That's probably easier because I have it in a good format. Uh, help. Help. Okay.
Uh, here we go. All right. So, it is at Lixo Pizza Palace and that is located at 920 Hamilton Street. Um, Al, how do you say this, Maria? Can you >> Altoqueke Peruvian restaurant, 724
Franklin Boulevard? All of these restaurants were entered on November 7th. Uh, Puntaana Grill, 695 Hamilton Street. Veggie H Veggie Heaven, which is 920 Hamilton Street. And Yummy Yummy Chinese Food, same plaza, 920 Hamilton
Street. Um, so we ask that these be entered onto our website. So, it's their name, their address, their website, and the date they entered on November 7th. >> Plus, >> Robin gave me IHOP. >> IHOP in Franklin Park on >> I did. McDonald's
Plaza off of Eastston. Did you agree? >> Yes. >> Oh, good. Did they put the cling up or they're going to put the >> I put the cling up? >> They did. >> I have a picture of you. >> Yeah. Okay. So, McDonald's, what was uh Let me write this down. So, it's um AD
IHOP and you said McDonald's on Easter. >> McDonald's Rutgers Plaza East. >> I'm going to follow up with the two I went to. >> Okay. I think I can. >> And what what day was that that you did it? Do you remember the date by any chance? >> Check the picture. >> Yeah, check the picture. You know when
you >> Mine was a week ago today, so it's at the 10th. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Is is verbal acknowledgement that they are in enough for us? I mean, if you know that they put the cling up like that, then I think that's good enough. >> Yeah, I put the clay up.
>> And I I was really pleased that the IHOP, the woman said, "We're already doing this." She said, "When you go on our website to order, you have to check a box saying that you want >> the plastic cutlery included." And she said, "This is a very worthy program. I'm very glad you're doing this."
>> Manager. So, that was nice to hear. >> Yeah. With mine, I only I saw the the store managers. They got to go back to the owners. Both Jersey Mike's and um Mo are franchises >> and the ownersh >> I did it December November 7th.
>> Oh, November 7th. Okay, perfect. That's good enough. Okay. >> Sure. It's good idea to bring it up now, but um would it be better to develop some sort of onepage pledge and uh when they say yes, we ask them to state the
name and signature and date it? They don't know. I'm worried that's going to make them be like, "Oh, forget this." You know? >> Yeah. You put too many hurdles in front of them. What I I suggested when the three of us put our heads together last Sunday, a day that, mind you, there's no
manager owner anywhere in a restaurant on a Sunday. >> Um, I think it would be a good idea if once a month the EC sent out an email blast to those participants saying, "Thank you. >> You're making a difference. We're very pleased. Let us know how the
environmental commission can help you just keep us in front of them which will help keep them thinking about their contact information. >> She started off the business cards these on too. They did it as well. Oh, cool. Okay. So, also we got Kennedy Fried
Chicken Halal 629 Hamilton Street and >> what's the name of this place? recesses and both of them >> recess long conversation and they they they actually asked them uh if they need the stuff because they they tired of
seeing them on the way in the wood >> they are great and I also got a commitment from the owner of Korean Barbecue Grill on Hamilton Street. I'm going to go see his brother who runs the restaurant and he said he'll be very happy to participate. So that's John
Park who's really active in the chamber. >> Are you still doing the video um for skip the stuff? >> No, I have not gotten to that. >> I know that um PJ really recommended
that. It hasn't been a priority. It would be a good idea, but I'm a little overwhelmed. Are they on our website? These uh businesses, >> they've been requested to be put on our website. So I checked before. They're not up yet, but I put the request in on 11:10. So, >> very nice email to send off your your
website. >> Here you are. And a link to their listing. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> So, I requested the first five um to our website on 11:10. So, I just checked before. It's not up yet. So, I'll follow up when I ask to add these
and this one. >> Yeah. And maybe if once they're all up if the our email address could send out an email to them. >> Yeah. >> Saying congratulations and you know something. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. You're making a commitment
and a difference in Franklin Township blah blah blah. >> Maybe we can write an article celebrating them, writing the list of them and saying, "Okay, uh if you didn't uh adopt the program yet, contact us." Can I do that?
>> Yeah, Jenny is working on an article for us from the consumer point of view and the business point of view. She could incorporate that right into the article, whatever the latest list is or see this, go to this address to see the latest restaurants. >> Yeah.
>> And for the if we're going to do something on composting on on January 8th, we could also do a commercial for those on the list. >> Oh. >> Well, we've got the public in the room. >> Yeah. businesses that are paying attention to the environment and we want to
acknowledge them and thank them and let people know. >> And then you can ask those people go to their favorite takeout place and ask them to participate. >> You want to put a list together that you can hand out to people also the names of the restaurants. >> We just do a screenshot from the website
even by the Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That works. >> Yeah. Cool. I like it. All right. So, that's going well. >> And there's and there's new materials here. >> I'm going to take a few more. >> These are updated. Stan did a beautiful
job on >> um and I had them printed on card stock for my gift. >> Look at all those. >> My my gift to the at the McDonald's they had three drive up windows with three. Give them one each for the drive up.
>> Yeah. These are the ones I have been using. >> Sorry. Those are laminated. So, >> these are laminated, too. So, please help yourself. >> These are not laminated out. I like laminated was too expensive. I spent $88 on these. I was
>> wow. Laminated was 200. >> You can Yeah. Well, technically it's supposed to be approved. that is for the restaurants easy in your hand. Yeah, I have a couple other Jenny feel free to help yourself. If you
go any place where you do take out we have a a window cooking sticker in here like this. >> What is this? >> Oh, it looks great. And this is artwork done by um a young person in Montgomery. So, it's a summer county young artist.
>> Basically, if you go to the takeout place and they agree to participate that you give them a claim for their front door and their drive up window and then just tell me the name of the restaurant and the address. Thank you everybody for your enthusiasm.
We'll get all this thing done and then the state will finally pass the law and it'll be law. >> But right now we're looking for voluntary. It's not yet the law. But if that's what it takes to >> restaurants
out. Yeah. I want I want to hit that little that cute little and then there's a Indian place right next to it. >> That's the cling bar. It looks like this. >> Looks like this. They put it on their window. >> Oh,
>> and this is what you can tell them. These are the benefits of participating. That's for you. >> Thank you. >> Oh my goodness. I don't do that. >> Excellent. Jersey mics. That's right.
>> All right. They said Jersey Mike >> updates from the injar storm water. >> Oh my god. >> This week >> I went to the ANJ webinar. I attended it on the storm water utility. It was called how to rolling out storm water utility and how to do that. They talked
about what the enabling legislation is so that we can refer back to that. Maplewood has done one and they kind of like provided a case study of how they went through and did it. Um they actually started this by applying for a grant in 2019 and the first bills went
out last year. So they were like just know it takes some time um to get it going, but they think it's been worth it. Um, so the way that you set the formula is you have you figure out the entire cost of what the storm water management program is and then you
divide it by the impervious area which we have because they said well we have to do a an imperous coverage assessment and a green infrastructure plan from Ruckers which we've already done. So we actually have that um that comes up with the storm water rate and then you spread it evenly. You spread it across the
residences based on how much impervious coverage they have. So it's >> Did they do commercial or only residential? >> They did commercial and residential. >> I understand in commercial we already have something >> we have. So our storm water management program I guess does assess certain businesses of the businesses a certain
way. Um what else? Underfunded expenses that can be paid by the revenue from a storm water utility include pipe repairs, storm water renewal projects, and capital improvement projects. So it's you you can use that funds the funds that you get for a lot of
different things. The fees and the credits are required for properties that meet the requirements of the act. So once you put the storm water utility into place you have to apply the formula to all the properties obviously which makes sense. You can't just you know
>> randomly. Yeah I I I know people are going to say not another fee but they know storm water is a real problem. >> Absolutely. The township of Maplewood of course bills itself. So we do the same thing like at the open space trust fund at the open space advisory committee. We
go through every month the expenditures we bill oursel for water, electricity and all that um for sewer. Uh so the same thing the township bill of Maplewood bills itself. So the municipal facilities, roads, the county roads, the state roads, they get assessed a fee as
well for imperous coverage. Um, the fees collected are put in separate accounts and used only for the eligible stormwater improvements, which makes sense. Maplewood's total revenue last year on this, it was $880,000
that they made. There is a 5% fee that has to go to NJ for the administration of the program. So, it's 5% of your gross revenue and then the rest you keep for they do in its administration. I guess basically they kind of like give you the help you with the funding
technical assistance. It's like an overall administrative fee. Um I think if I remember right, Ted, you were at that meeting with us when we met with Carl Hal and D. I think the commercial storm water money
they collect is not um dedicated to this. >> No, because I believe they collect it. Yeah. And it's it's not because it's not a storm water utility. >> If I remember right, Warren Locker didn't want to touch it because he likes having that extra little money if you
need it. >> I don't know what I don't know what that situation is, but I do know that it's not technically a storm water utility unless it meets the requirements or the enabling legislation. >> So, that's the next thing I have to really review and kind of get into. >> Maybe with Ed's help, we can move our
locker off of that. One thing that was interesting is is that the township engineer from Maplewood was on the call. He's the one that really administers the program and he said the two main things to be aware of is that there is a ton of education that has to be done. A ton. Um
residents have to understand this is what it's going to look like on your bill. This is what it's going to cover. This is why we're doing it. And it has to be everywhere. Website, webinars, in person, you know, mailers. He said do as much education as possible. And the other thing is is that there has to be a
process in the enabling legislation that allows customers to appeal or to basically request a credit. So they might say, "Well, listen, you calculated this incorrectly. I actually have a little more impervious I actually have pvious pavement that you didn't
calculate or I'm going to rip this up and put in a rain garden of this size." And you have to have someone that is going to help them with that. So he basically just kind of said those are the things to really pay attention to. I thought it was a really good webinar.
Great case studies. Um, Ang did a good job as always. So, I pulled up the enabling legislation. It's a lot. I haven't gotten to it yet. So, that's on my list of things to do is sit there and read the enabling legislation and then there's a separate web page under D about the actual how the program works.
So, I'm going to go through that and hopefully for the next meeting I'll have >> and I wonder if does it make sense in the master plan since we have to update land use to make some reference to a storm water utility so nobody can come back later and say you can't start this
because it's not in the master plan. It's something we can absolutely do. I mean, it's not required to be in the master plan for us to enable it. But honestly, and we know this from doing our own planning studies, having a foundational planning document or study is always a good way to come in handy later.
>> Yeah. >> So, I will for the next meeting look up and review this legislation in detail. >> Um, and we'll see what we can do from there. >> Yeah, it was really good. Yeah. >> Okay. Do we have any more committee
reports? We're done. Okay. Good. Good. Don't you want to do one on >> uh we are do you want to report at the education committee we are having a workshop a workshop >> seminar workshop >> seminar workshop about compost
>> yeah food waste composting >> I had to dig up some of my old notes from when I I did that with an environmental group I'm kind of passionate about it but I need to update because we mentioned some cities like Princeton I want to update contact them to see
Did this fail? Did it grow? You know what? What kind of status? So, I just want to do some updating. >> And this is going to be on January 8th. >> January 8th at the senior center at 6:30 p.m. >> Yeah, I' I've pushed that to there's an environmental group now in Canal and
I've sent them that announcement. So, you may see some people from there coming. >> Oh, that'd be great. So, but you need Tara to send out an email blast. It needs to get on the website, >> the social media because this is right after the holidays. I don't want the
message to get lost. >> We have like six weeks. >> Yeah, absolutely. So, just get me what you want posted. I'll look at the social media. We do a blast website. >> I I made a flyer. Um uh you were copied. >> I saw it. Yeah.
>> Are you sure you want to keep the photo? >> Keep the photo. Do you want to use it or not? >> Well, I I put it in, but but it's a it's a little bit uh what's the word? >> Did it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. That was I was looking through all
my stuff and I knew I had something more recent and I couldn't find it. So, that's >> if you want I can take a photo of you today and uh >> that will be it. >> Put it in. >> I look better back then. It >> was the head shot you were looking for.
That's a good idea. >> The wall is >> will give me the It's still a little early maybe to post it or no cuz it's a bit a little less than two months away. Yeah, we might wait after Thanksgiving. No, >> right after >> right after Thanksgiving. Yeah. Yeah. If we I'm worried if we do it before
Thanksgiving it might be like then lost. But >> the Monday after Thanksgiving, let's let's get it posted. So finalize it, get it to me, and then I'll get it posted and up and and running. It's at the rec center. You said senior rec center. So we might be able to to
>> if you put in for the business cards now. Maybe we'll have business cards by >> and we can have some of this material there. >> Yeah. >> And a list of restaurants that are participating. >> Yeah. >> Have a lot. Yeah. >> A lot of refreshments. Maybe we should
order refreshments from those. >> Yeah. For our events. Yes. That's what we should do and see. >> Yeah. Okay. If we put if if in the email you mentioned there will be some live refreshments. >> I think we'll get more people. >> I agree with you. It always happens,
>> right? It always happens that way. You do get more people. It's confusing. >> We should We should try and get the guys right here. >> Corner. >> Yeah. At the corner. >> Ellen said that she was going to go. >> Yeah. >> See if you can get them and then we can use them
>> to do the food >> because they're just down the road. promote them >> cuz they're right around the corner from where the event's happening. >> Nobody on that corner has applied for a dispensary permit. They have they appealed.
>> Yeah, they they appealed. >> They were turned down. But >> tired of all these dis >> They had very good arguments. >> It's not as much fun as when I was in college and it was illegal. >> Right. Yes. The fund's been removed. >> The fund's been removed.
>> All right. >> Any other >> any other committee reports? And we we already did number nine G. We did. Yeah. We we beat that one. Um and any other hot topics? >> If you guys probably saw the emails from
Anjack asking for our help to call our assemblymen and senators and the governor about the climate super fund act, the skip the stuff act and there was a third one that Anjac asked us to
reach out. Please do that and make a phone call. I called all of them and And it makes a difference. They say one phone call is worth 100 emails and one letter is worth X phone calls. I mean a letter letter, not
an email. >> Not an email. >> So doing a phone and it's fast. >> Could you send out what what you want us to talk talk about? >> They tell you. They tell you. If you look at your email from T and Jack, it's right in there. It mentions the bill name, the bill number, and you you dial
that phone number, and they remind you of what you're going to ask for. >> So, right, while you're on the phone, they're telling you this is what you're going to ask for, and then they connect you. >> I was just at Assemblyman and uh Assemblyman Danielson's office just the other day about improper labeling of
baked goods. Yeah, I'm on the food and water watch and they call me, they tell what to tell, they connect me. >> Yeah, super easy. >> And and when I call them, oh, you are calling about this? Yes. Okay, fine.
>> Everybody, >> you know, but please do it because that's our best hope is to get these things landed. They need to really hear from us. >> Okay. >> The only person I can never get is Egan. Egan senior and Egan Jr.
So, I didn't vote for them. >> There you go. >> Then you got a hold of the other then you >> No, I I know Senator Smith and I know uh Selen Daniel. >> Yeah. >> Even you can never get a hold of them.
>> You won't for a public. >> Okay. Um but at least he's shown up in Franklin Township. >> Yeah. which his father did once in all his years in the in the legislature. >> So that's an improvement. Okay, good.
>> I think Joe Daniels and got him to come. >> Yeah, >> Joe's a big >> Jeff. >> Okay, so I guess then we're up to um unless somebody else wants to bring up something. We'll move on to uh potential partnership with the astronomy club. So,
the astronomy club is still interested in coming to one of our meetings and making a presentation about dark skies because of um the timing. I just wasn't sure we should do it. So, I know the beginning of the year we kind of go through our priorities. The end of the
year, I mean, is coming up kind of fast approaching. I don't know if we want to try and get them on a December agenda or do we want to try and get them like at last? >> If we don't have too many >> No, you're okay. Go ahead. If there's not plans to review in an agenda that you
know maybe you want to >> Yeah, that's the only thing I don't know now. You're right. So then we haven't had site plans to review at the last two meetings. So there's a good chance might get really like >> well >> a lot. Yeah. So I I never know but the uh they're interested in coming. So I
was thinking maybe of trying to do I think in January we only meet one time. Isn't that right? >> That's what I was going to ask you about. When when is the meeting in January? Um, >> I may or may not be able to make it. >> We worked it. So, yeah, leave me one
second here. Um, January 5th is our only meeting >> and we usually do our priorities and everything there. So, I'm thinking maybe telling them February 2nd or 23rd. >> Okay. I can't make January 5th meeting. >> I'll be in Florida.
>> Okay. Does anybody have any, you know, preference about a short presentation? They'll make nothing major. Um, maybe I'll offer them both and they can let me know. >> Isn't the fifth going to be when they're going to do the installation? Just the first Monday.
>> That's what I was worried about. >> No, I don't think so. >> Are they going to do it on >> They usually do it on >> Oh, they do it the first Monday of the year. >> Uh, no. Usually I thought it was the first Tuesday. >> Oh, well that's still
Oh, then that's all right. It won't conflict with us. I'm pretty sure we looked it up. >> The council will have its first meeting on New Year's Day. I was say reelected to have to be resworn in
>> uh and that's a Thursday. >> Yeah, January. Okay, let's do January. Yep, that sounds good. >> Walter, you could run the meeting on the 5th of January. >> Yeah. Okay. >> They don't have Oh, so the council must
not have approved their meeting dates yet for next year. >> That's what I thought. I was trying to get them in >> January 1st. They usually do have a meeting to do the reappoint. So, no, we should be fine. I think we should be fine at least. So, uh I'm going to offer them then either of the February dates
and then they can come and do their presentation. Um you know, hopefully we don't have a ton of site plans that day, but there's really no way to tell. So, >> okay, that's the only update I have from them. >> Leave the leaves program. Um, I heard
good reports about the Mike Saddowski did the thing on the grass. >> Yes. Everyone enjoyed his presentation. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He's he does our entire canal walk >> two meetings ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We talked about this. >> Right. >> Okay. And we've already done uh oh the youth member thing is still waiting. >> I still have absolutely so yeah nothing on that. Apparently the ordinance like for everything needs to be updated to allow youth members not just the EC. So
I don't know what >> what how long. >> How about um the tree ordinance? >> I haven't heard anything since but I will say I didn't ask in the last few times. So I will I will ask again. I know that we were waiting on we were waiting on the tree manual or whatever
to be fixed. What happened with that maintenance? So, did you guys get a draft of it from CME or No, >> we've had two drafts and I believe we sent the second one back to CME. >> You did with comments or you did. Okay. So, apparently the tree ordinance is
waiting on that to be finalized. So, now we know it's still under comment. The lighting ordinance I'm trying to work this angle with the astronomy club as a way to kind of be like, hey, we're getting president. Yeah. So, working on it.
Okay. Well, um I think we're up to uh any other old business. >> Just Tara, I sent you an email asking if the township could help with a perhaps some excavation for rain garden
at site number 16. Okay. >> Yes. So, I haven't heard back from Bob yet. He's been out. He was out then this week happened with League of Municipality. So, I haven't really been able to connect with him, but he's got it. >> Yes. Y >> Thank you. Yep. >> Okay. So, >> uh, at the last meeting we've talked a
little about flood maps >> and I believe Tara, you were saying that you could produce something and put it on social media. >> Yeah. So, it would that would be like it it's going to take some time, but we can use the GIS layers that are available
through DPS. It's called GEO web. Um, and also um the New Jersey flood mapper. So, those are like two sources where you can get the layers. So I can give those to our IT department and they can produce the maps or I can try to produce the maps. >> Do we need to produce the maps or can we
just put the link on the website and let people go? >> We can put the link but it'll link to everything and then the user will have to go through flood mapper and identify what specifically do they want to look at which is okay. >> Presenting the the map directly would be much more effective
>> but as the maps get updated we have to be constantly correcting correct. So, it's a it's a we can start with the links as like a hey, are you interested if you're in the flood zone? Are you interested if you're in a repetitive loss area? We can start that way, but I agree. I think that if we can just like
whittle it down to Franklin Township and have like the easiest way for >> you get a link that specific to Franklin Township. >> Well, you can, but it takes some manipulation of the website. And so it can be done, but it's like, you know, I think it people might find it to be a
little >> cuz, you know, I think of um remember the interactive environmental resource inventory I talked about um Reading Township. >> I mean, they have so much of that kind of information for their residents. They
go on and they can see it and it's all live and correct. they have probably taken the approach where they've taken these layers and like clipped it to their township so that when you're doing the search the more you can take out for the user the better. >> So Princeton Hydraology who did that work for them maybe did all that
>> probably most likely. Yes. And it's not a it's not a ton of leg work because the data is there. You're not creating new data, but you're just like putting the necessity noise out of it. >> Yes. Which helps, you know? >> Yeah. And and so that might be a future consideration for a budget item
>> if we could get expertise like a princon hydrarology. So we could make those resources available to the municipality. >> Well, you know, now our grants are closed out with sustainable Jersey and our certification is done. So, we can now apply for another $10,000 or $20,000
grant in 2026 from Sustainable Jersey. So, doing a project like that might be good. Doing an um uh >> digital >> digital and then the flood mapping is part of it. So, maybe it's time to think about applying for another grant cuz now we're all closed out. >> I just did the final report for our
residential energy efficiency campaign and our plans are all adopted. So, we actually can now apply as soon as this calendar year is over. You go on and you're looking at a a scan of a PDF that looks pretty flocky. >> Yeah.
Okay. I like it. I'll look into it. Yep. >> Very good. Okay. So, now we'll reopen the floor. Motion to reopen the floor. >> Second. All >> in favor? >> I. >> Any comment from anybody in the public
here? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Um, one thing with the budget, could we add in any money to get more signs for people and saf? >> Oh, that's a good question. >> Uh, yes. So, we can that can come out of the signage budget, but if we need more.
So, how much were the signs? Remember, >> we were discussing it last time. >> We should have double size in each direction. >> Yeah. So, it's easier to read. So we upped our we upped the budget for that
as part of this. So I think we can cover it. But yes, that is something that can be paid out of that budget. So when it if you can like get or you and stand together can get like an actual like um image or what exactly what you're looking for and may I can look and see if we have an item for it in our
printing bid. We've >> already done them. We just did save them on one side and correct. Leave the leaves on the other. Right. We just make them >> signs that have the same image on both sides. >> The same image on both sides. Well, they made them.
>> Yeah. If it's the same like sign itself, just with the two sides being like the same thing, it's probably going to be like the same price. And I'm sure that >> I would think so. >> Ordered them. She has. >> Yeah. So, our price is going to be different than what you guys ordered. So, if you can tell me exactly like we're looking for this size sign, do I
need the lawn stakes? It's going to have the same image in color, not in color. Then I can go for our printing bid and be like, "Here's a sign. Here's how much it costs." And then we can order it that way. >> Okay. It'll be probably cheaper than my Did you want to have one sign double
printed for each campaign or two signs double printed the same campaign? You know what I mean? Like um >> like uh two le like leave the leaves and then a separate sign that says save them all. >> Today we have one sign for both campaigns. So we're kind of saving on
plastic. Um um but it's easier if it's the same message on both sides. >> Yeah, definitely. I feel like depending on the >> Well, I have one of each and I I had a nice angle so you're only reading the one with this north wind. Guess what?
They read the other side >> and I went out there every day and I put it in the ground and >> Yeah. You know what? If you can get me like say your mom had like whatever order she put into anywhere. If you send that to me then that will give me the dimensions I need to look and then I can figure out
and how many you want and how many you think we should have and then that'll help me figure out the cost and where to order from because we have printers on on our printing bid basically. So we already have like a kind of like a contract with them. So that's who we have to use for certain things. So like
for example like I have to order hunting signage and buttons every year. our bid like requires me to order the buttons from someone and the the uh signs from somebody else. So that's how it is, you know. So yeah, >> I just found my US Green Building Council membership.
>> Oh, nice. >> There you go. >> So um thank you for your comments. >> Thank you, Jenny. >> Just have a quick question. You mentioned the lighting ordinance you're trying to get past. What is the ordinance? is to to update our existing
lighting ordinances to meet the dark sky recommended ordinance. >> Okay, awesome. >> Yeah, if you go on to dark sky.org. >> Yeah, I know all about them. >> Yeah. >> Right now, our ordinance just says how much foot candles you could have at the property boundaries.
>> Okay. >> Well, and it requires the shielding the shielded fixtures, but it's it's only for new projects. So this we're trying to get it up to date with what dark skies requires in terms of color and temperature and you know everything. So
yeah >> and and we talked about getting um some um what is it called? Community safety, life safety, what are they called? The police department. >> Oh yeah, the community engagement or community relations bureau. >> And we do that with the dark sky people, the astronomy club. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, we get the safety people in so they can address people's concerns that if you follow this new recommendations, maybe it won't be as safe. >> Yeah. >> We want to answer those before they raise them. >> They don't understand that for safety, you don't need really bright.
It's not like your desk light, you know. >> So, is the astronomy club sort of like the authority on all this local? >> No. The astronomy club. So I work with them on our open space properties a lot because they request the use of the John Clyde Memorial Native Grasslands Preserve for a lot of their observations, but they are very
interested in dark skies because obviously they want to keep the skies dark for their observations and their president is a dark skies ambassador. So he is educated in it and he goes and does presentations and so he wants we figured him giving a presentation to us
and the open space advisory committee would be really >> kind of like getting the message out. I do wonder if he maybe wants to set up a table at the composting event. >> Oh, they probably would. >> They probably would. Yeah, absolutely. Um, let me Can you just email me, Jenny,
and ask me for their info in case? Just send me an email and say, "Oh, can I have the information from the astronomy club?" And then I'll send it to you and you can, you know, we can Oh, wait. I'm sorry. No, you're not doing the food compass thing. Ellen, you are Ellen. I'll send you >> the contact info. His name is Ron Urris.
And so he's great. He's really good. So yeah, >> he probably love an opportunity to promote what they're doing. >> Yeah. And actually their meetings are now held at the um senior rec center. So yeah, they're held there now. They're at the same time as our open space advisory committee meetings. So um but our trails
advisory committee actually in the last few months they are now the sponsor of the Franklin Township Astronomy Club. So that gives them the ability to hold events here at the township and you know they have use of the grasslands for their observations. So >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. And uh I think thank you everybody. >> Motion to adjourn. >> Motion to motion to close the Yes. >> So move second. >> Second. >> You hear something? >> I do. >> Uh I I realize new business. So uh I I
was uh getting ready for the stream cleanup 2026 and I inspected three of them run as usual. Uh I found that the encampment has moved further backwards and at the time of inspection I brought
my daughter to make her a little bit of where the inspection looks like. Um we did not have the guts to approach them close but it was active. We were not able to come. How many people were
there? But uh um the amount of garbage is not as bad as it was in some prior years. Needless to say, there is some uh the second stream series run. Um it
needs clean up. Um, and also I was curious about cuz last time you were talking about the I think it was six mile run in in the section uh of Middle Bush uh road and
when it goes all the way to canal >> road underneath underneath the the canal and all the way to M um >> to the river >> river. Yeah, Milstone Milstone. Uh so I was there to see whether there is any
appreciable amount of garbage. No. Uh there was no human you know related. It's kind of wherever you see people you see garbage and because that area is not really uh heavily populated. So any
flooding that is in that middle bush road area it's the natural. >> But that's not the six mile run. The flooding is is is north of the six mile run. >> What is the run? Three mile or >> No, there is no run right there.
>> But but there is >> where the flooding happens. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It it it it may be a stream. It may just be the accumulation in the >> Yeah, it it is the stream that is going through uh Middlebush Farm. Um and then it continues. >> Yeah. That's not the six mile run.
>> Okay. I I don't know the name. >> Middle Bush Brook. Okay. Middle Bush Brook. Yeah. But but yeah, Middle Bush Farm. Middle Bush Brook. >> It runs along the brook that runs alongside South Middle Bush Road >> finally goes under it
>> and then further down it goes under Blackwell's Mills Road. >> Yes. Yes. >> And then probably runs into the six mile run. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. So, uh Yeah. Uh there is no um nothing to to
collect but um >> you mentioned series is one to >> Yeah. So uh last year we did or this year I should say 25 we did mile run. I think we should go to series run. >> I think that makes sense too. >> And u looking into the calendar.
Uh we always do Saturdays. Um so the Saturday around that time is April 10th. Uh I forgot when is the um Easter but uh it there is no conflict. Easter is isn't it actually before
>> it changes every year. So March, right? >> Let me see. No, I think it's in April this year, but I think it's earlier. Hold on. >> That's where we're getting. >> It's April 5th. >> So that's why I thought this is Monday. >> April 5th. Sunday.
>> Sunday. Yeah. Okay. So, so April 10th, I would suggest >> it would be a Friday. >> 11th. >> April 10th's a Friday. Yeah. So, April 11th. >> Yeah. >> 11th. >> Yeah. >> That's why I was it was >> April 11th. Cely's Run. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> We can start working on that. >> Same time. Yeah. >> Okay. Great. >> Where where what's the exact address by Cel's Run? >> We've done it before. We could look it up. >> Okay. >> Yes. It's um assembly will be at the upper section of the parking lot where
it's IHOP. I forgot the name of the plaza. Um it's not RGS. RGA Plaza is just next to it. But um isn't it actually Somerset Plaza or Franklin Plaza or something like that. >> I think that's Somerset Somerset Plaza. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
>> Okay. >> Um >> All right. Well, we have the the beginning of that, so that's good news. I have some photos uh which I'll upload to that folder. Uh so that we have >> and we have already uh good night. We have already uh interest from the
Franklin High School environmental club the the school by itself. >> Nice. >> So uh they will definitely join us. Uh this will be again partnership with lower rariton >> watershed partnership.
Um, and physical the usual stuff. >> Great. >> Yeah, they're right next door. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, so, okay. So, we are set up for April 11th. Good. So, I can keep advertising it now. >> Okay.
>> All right. So, then a motion to adjourn is in order. >> Yeah. So, all in favor I meeting a