This meeting of the Franklin Township Commission is called to the provisions of the open public meeting. This meeting of June 1st, 2026 was included a list of meetings notice advertised papers posted
on board the municipal building posted on the municipal website and has remained posted as required notice on this statute. The additional copy of this notice is available to the public in the office of cl.
>> Okay, about that. So, we'll do the roll call. Uh, Ted is not here yet. Ellen, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Wild >> here. >> Maria,
>> me. Yes. Walter. Yes. And Stan is here. >> Yes. >> Good timing. >> I'm still late. >> Um, I just have a very short uh two uh two paragraphs. First, I want to mention
that sand's work on the culverts. You did that stuff. It's I think it's this strikes me as very important. It really does. Uh creating block culverts really helps stream flow and prevents flooding. Hopefully the grant money can cover the cost of the work. >> That's what we talked about on the
email. >> Okay. >> Now, uh three three of us, Kiki, myself, um and who else was there? Um, oh, and uh, Ted, we were at a meeting that councilman uh, councilwoman Uden held here held actually in the in the council
room and she convened to review the proposed B1 zoning ordinance. Some tweaks were discussed, but based on what is legal, this should keep further warehouse development at a more moderate pace. limits on location within one mile
of 287 exits and entrances, size 150,000 square feet or major steps. Um, it also bans data uh centers and the ordinance does not address the condition of several failing intersections nor the emissions from tractor trailers, but
they can be the subject for the future. I think that's really legally that's how it has to be. But it was a good meeting. There was a lot of back and forth >> and um it it was good and now it's second reading I think is coming up soon. >> Okay.
>> I know. So there was a notice that um and of course um but Oscini was there. >> That's our new kind of >> Gary Rosenthal. So um so they had the planning board people to start with
that was good. >> So uh that's my report. Uh, and Ted's not here to see about the minutes. So, we need >> you get that. >> Is he coming or he should be? Yeah, >> you we didn't get an email or anything. >> So,
>> yeah, it's all right. My goodness. >> Oh, because Middle Bush Road is closed. >> There is a motor vehicle accident between >> Skilman and Jake. >> Okay. >> Regardless of which way he would go, it
would probably affect him. Sure. >> You'd have to go out if if you can't get catch, you got to >> it impacts the traffic all the other roads. So you you would not fly. >> You'd have to go out up to 287 and then uh unless not 2875,
78, whatever it is, something like that. >> No, he could come and go over towards um I'm sorry. Where does it come out there on Amwell? There's a road that connects to middle beyond where he sit. >> Yes. Come on.
>> Probably traffic though regardless. >> For a while. >> All right. >> Yes. But the accident making it worse. >> Have you read the minutes? Did you have any changes? You got >> I move for acceptance of the minutes of
the meeting. There was only one point where he is asking >> he's sorry I'm we just need a second first. Give me one sec. We need a second before we can >> Oh, I'm so sorry. >> No, you're okay. You're okay. Go ahead now, Kiki.
>> Okay. So, one, two, three, paragraph 4, uh, correspondence. Uh he says a letter was received from so and so expressing desire to appear before us and then in parentheses as there was another letter to subject and
center. I didn't get you insert that. >> Okay. So >> I don't know what I did send somebody I I had the letter and >> it was freshwater wetlands, right? >> Yeah. And that was uh 200 Franklin Square Drive. And the letter was from
Echolabs, the the engineering firm. >> What was the address again? What letter? >> 200 Franklin Square Drive. >> 200. Okay, got it. >> I spent 15 20 years in that building. >> From 87 to 2003
>> and there's a a retention pond in the back corner. And there's a stream back there. >> So that's why there's wetlands. >> Thank you, Kiki. >> You're welcome. the uh the somebody bought the building um because Philips is there
the health company. So maybe they're planning to do some expansion or something. I don't know what I mean. Well, I don't know what they're planning asking for the letter of interpretation. They're doing something. I'm I'm sorry. >> No, no, no.
>> Okay. They had South Middlebush Road blocked off and I had to go around a long way to Blackwell's Mills Road. I turned on Van Clee Road and I hit a curb and I flatted a tire.
>> Car has no flat no spare tire. >> They don't even make them. >> No. >> Oh, Ted. Oh my gosh. So, where's your car now? You drove >> I got it up to here. >> Oh my god. Oh goodness. truck to come and show you.
>> I'm sorry, Ted. >> I have tire repair kit. I can't look in. >> I have tire repair kit. >> Okay. I have a thing for blowing up a tire. >> Oh, he has a patch. It sounds like something.
>> Yes, but it it it's only when uh something penetrates on the thread directly. >> If you have damage on this side, I can >> This would be on the side. So, I I don't know how I hit a >> They take forever, but I think I was shying from somebody coming the other
direction. >> There was an accident on I was just speculating. Why are you late >> between SK Lane and Chase? >> Yeah. >> Which causes the traffic in the area. >> Oh my gosh. Do you want to call anyone
now? Cuz Maria was saying they take forever to get here. >> Forever to get here and and you they can leave you. We could leave and they have probably won't be here. So if you call them now during the meeting, it can get fixed. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> What you think? >> Yes. >> Important that you
>> Yeah, I have triple AAA. I don't know whether I can get towed now. >> It'll tell you to wherever you want to go. >> What? >> They'll take the car to wherever you want it to go. >> You can figure this out. >> Was lucky was in the driveway. >> Wait until the end of the meeting. You
>> have no donut or anything like that. I can borrow you a wheel. I have also shed. >> No. >> So if I give you a wheel, you still should be able to drive and you can drop your wrong tire to some service.
How about that? >> Yeah. Can we change the wheel out here in the dark? >> Yes, I can do it. I just have to go to pick up the wheel which is a mile from here. And uh >> Yeah. All right. Do
>> you really think I could be at home that way? >> Yes. >> You can focus on >> you're taken care of. >> That is scary. Yep. >> Gracious. >> This is so it it should work.
>> In the worst case scenario, it will look weird. >> In the worst case scenario, it will look weird. Yes. >> In the worst case scenario, what? >> You're right. Tomorrow look weird. Your car will be lopsided a little bit. >> Well, well, you have you have five. Uh,
no. >> I have >> I don't call I'm not part of AAA. Gosh, >> my car doesn't have a spare. It wasn't built. It has It has a tire mobilization kit. They sit in the back. >> It's out of life. doing cuz I know a
couple people and they read out or something like that. >> Stressed out. >> I don't blame you. You want some water? You want trouble? Let me get you some water. I don't mind. You just started.
>> We just started and there were some corrections. >> Here's my opening block. I'm down there. Right. >> Yeah, I know. There was one thing or rather was a letter that >> Yeah, I had sent you that there. That's
what >> Got it. Yeah, I inserted that. I inserted it right here in the document. So, we're good. >> There was something. >> All right, guys. We're back to Okay, so we got Kiki. I addressed her comment. Ted's and Ted had added in there as well. So, that's good.
>> Any other comments on the minutes? >> Laurel, do you have anything? No. Okay. So, we'll have a motion to accept the the minutes as amended. >> Second. All in favor?
>> I very good to accept it. >> Motion to open the floor to public comment. >> We'll move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Yes. >> Anybody on the floor want to make Hi, Jenny. If you want hello or anything.
>> Um, yeah. Good to be back. I don't really have anything. >> That's right. Yes. >> Yeah. I'm not I'm not like back for real. I have a long weekend and then I have three more weeks and then I'm back for real. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Do you have anything you want to add or something? >> Yeah. How about an update?
>> Okay. Good. >> Have you been planting trees somewhere in >> um I've been studying bees? Um yeah, specifically up in the canopy of uh maple sugar operations kind of in the Hudson Valley and in the Fingerlakes um just seeing how like different forest
management techniques like influence native bee communities. So >> cool. >> Yeah, that's what I've been up to. I've been doing the graduate. I have three more. >> Is a paper going to be forthcoming from this? >> Yes, but probably not from me. I'm a lowly tech but yeah there they'll
be it's like a part of a project through Ruckers and forom and Zory >> I think the important thing is you didn't get stung >> I have not gotten stung now the parks >> very good okay then meeting motion to close the
>> so move yes >> any correspondence I didn't get any letter I haven't been in the mailbox since >> no no correspondence no new correspond as of late. >> Okay. Site plan. We have the one site
plan. >> Yes, we have one site plan for review. Paul did it. It is um Rarin Habitat for Humanity on Main Street this time. Different than last time. >> Okay. >> Uh this is the map right here. >> Got my little
>> So it's on Main Street as you can see on the screen. Here's Main Street. This is Kass Street. This is where it was last time. The last Habitat for Humanity was at this one. >> It is the same site. >> It's a different site. Now you're on Main Street. So you're one block over where yours is. Is right here.
>> Just the noodle. >> Just that. Yep. >> It's a very narrow street. A very narrow plot. >> The lots are narrow. >> The house. >> It's just house. Go ahead. Um Paul. >> Okay. Well, let me get my glasses on so
I can read what I wrote. We've got a combination of lots 9 and 10 and the zoning is R seven. Um it's a 5,000 square ft. It's not a it's a non-conforming lot, so it's even small for R7,
>> right? >> So we can't do much with it, but they're proposing to cover 27.7% of the gross lot, which they need a variance to do that. And um there was a it's a very simple
application. Um they have um the site plan was just a a drawing of the house period. And um and there's a couple variance requests because the pvious surface is 37% in the level would be 30.
Um, but you know, there's no what I'm recommending is that maybe they consider using some sort of pvious stuff for in for the driveway and those areas, you know, >> it's a it's meant to be a low income house. >> It's low. Yeah. Is loan affordable housing.
>> Yeah. So, um, street >> Oh, here it is. >> Main It's a 56 to 58 Main Street. >> This is This is the first one. Um, there's no EV requirements, of course, and no requirement for solar, but if
right now in Jersey, you get a subsidy to put the solar on the roof, that might be something that Habitat might con consider. I think I want to put that in the recommendation because I I know they they're working very close to cost, but if they get a solar
on the roof, it will help the the cost of the residents. >> What does it say? A rebate or grant there's a grants and such >> and as a nonprofit they might be able to do something that >> the lot is empty right now. It looks like >> the lot is empty. Yeah.
>> Um are they chopping trees? >> I there's no mention of trees in the thing at all. >> Okay. We we can still mention that it would be nice if they can sol that's >> that's what he just said. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Um they are requesting they need
variances because it's a non-conforming lot and in order to get anything reasonable you got to be um I think on on the front or the not the frontage but the side the side things I think are >> they plan driveway or garage >> uh I didn't see any garage I think
they're going to use the driveway park on the driveway it's a simple yeah there was no one trees >> that you showing all >> this is it yeah >> that I mean, the whole thing was three pages. >> Yeah. The very It's the same that they did for the last one that Ted reviewed.
It's very brief. >> Yeah. I I have the whole thing here. And it's just >> There is one big tree right here. So, with that, it looks like they're retaining it. >> I think it's one of those same as last time where the canopy, the branches and stuff are going to
>> And here's a stone driveway. So, they are existing sidewalk to be reconstructed, paved drive. So that's where you're saying for the um pavement >> maybe you got a stone driveway. It's got a porch and it's a proposed ranch house
that is 25.5x 48. >> Yeah, there's no garage. >> Here's a shed. It says 8 by >> maybe that's existing. >> It's in the back. Yeah.
>> How it looks on the satellite. >> Yeah. And I think so flowers >> that's this. Yeah, that's the big tree. >> Yeah. >> Uh shed or >> the shed is here. Yeah. So the shed's existing. Yeah.
>> Cuz it looks this is the other property, >> right? >> I mean the soil the stock pile is really when they're doing to to put the foundation they got to dig so they show where the where the soil's going to be. But the whole the whole whole application is very blank except for the
numbers. >> Let me see if there's anything at all about I didn't see anything. I didn't there's nothing about >> anything about the trees. >> They scared away. They have a hard time. >> All I see is that one big tree and it looks like they're retaining it.
>> They're painting the tree. >> Retaining it. >> Oh, retaining it. So there's no no tree take down. They do say here they're putting a snow fence around the tree during construction. Uh >> so just on the very back page, >> but there's only one tree that and it's
a big tree. >> Yeah, >> one tree. >> So it doesn't look like they're taking any trees down. >> No, I mean I did the form, but there's lot of blanks. >> Yeah. No, that's all right. >> Yeah. >> Do they have the dimensions of the tree? Like the
>> It looks like the uh the canopy of it. Like the canopy. >> Yeah. 30 in. >> 30 in. >> No, that I'm sorry. >> That's got to be the trunk. The trunk trunk. >> Yeah.
>> 30 in is the trunk. >> Circumference. I don't see any measurements for >> Yeah, I don't see any >> because in the diagram it looks >> It does look big, >> humongous.
>> Here's what they wrote. The property is currently vacant. The applicant is seeking to construct one single family dwelling which will be 100% affordable at the property. The construction of the single family dwelling does not require site plan approval. As part of the
application, the applicant also seeks to consolidate the two lots into one new lot. So that's >> that's why it's so little to prevent the minimum lot area in the amount of 5,000 square ft where the minimum is supposed
to be 7500. So that's the variance they need. It's an undersized lot. uh causes combined with combining the two undersized lots. And they need a variance for lot coverage at 27.7%
where permitted is 20% and the impervious coverage will be 38.8% where the maximum is 30. That's where recommended they did the probably that would probably eliminate the the variance. >> And what's the square footage of the
house as proposed there? It's a 5,000 ft lot, but the drawing didn't was just I didn't see any numbers on the drawing. >> If it's 27.7% lot coverage, that's what the area of the house is. >> Yeah, that's the area.
>> Whereas the 38 38.8 includes the driveway. >> Yeah. >> And the architectural construction, is it on a concrete slab or are they go excavating down to have a basement? a sign that they're >> I don't see a basement on here.
>> This is a lowc cost operation all the way around. >> So that would be efficient. >> And you know it's the town has a fairly significant affordable housing goal for you know and this is one way to get some of it done. >> Yep. Oh yeah. It's for a good cause. No question.
>> Somebody right in right in the neighborhood. I think >> I don't know that this even feeds into our >> Well, affordable housing. >> I think it must. I mean, that's what >> Mark's got to know about will know about it. >> Yeah. I mean,
>> there's usually a little section of >> the fact that it's quoted in their application, I think, means, you know, they they wouldn't have done it otherwise. >> All right. So, we got the pvious pavement and the solar >> recommendations. I mean, they're
recommendations at this point. Yeah. Um I'm just trying to see. They didn't write much here. You're right. >> No, it didn't. It's hardly anything. I mean, you you know I I went through it said, "Wait a Have you done already?" >> Yeah.
>> Huh. Interesting. Okay. >> Usually they're built with volunteers as well. It's all >> Yes. >> Any other comments? Anybody here? >> Habitat for Humanity. >> Let's see. The property is currently
vacant. >> The applicant is seeking to construct one single family house which will be 100% affordable. >> Yeah. >> Uh the construction of the single family dwelling does not require site plan approval. As part of the application, they also want to consolidate the two
lots. >> Now, it said the township owns the land. >> It's part of a development agreement. It looks like that is this set aside. Hey Robin, how are you? >> My goodness. Yay. How are you? >> Good.
>> Good. Nice one. >> Nice to see you. >> We have special party now. >> Leave us. You come back at the Y. >> There's a chair right here for you. >> All right. Any other comments on this?
No, I think it's I asking anybody anybody comments. >> You got what you need on that one? >> Oh, yeah. Do we have any recommendations? Well, we did just >> pavement and solar on the roof. >> Yeah, solar on the roof.
>> Don't touch the tree. >> Pervious concrete or pvious paving in the driveway. This is a house being built by Habitat forological service >> on an affordable house. >> They're basically required to do the
absolute bare minimum. So noiz lot service. >> Oh yeah. No, nothing about that at all. >> Well, shall we suggest that they have a little bit larger electric service in case that they want to have charging station in the future? >> You could recommend that. I think it's
Bitcoin. It's it's a thing. >> Will be lucky if they have a car at all. >> Driveway. >> A driveway. >> I think it's about affordability. >> Yes. That's that's the thing. You know >> that that's why I said going to the
state to get a a subsidy or not a rebate but a grant to put the solar on the roof. >> Yeah. Because if you if you put the higher uh service at the point of installation, it's cheaper than ripping off the old wire. >> Oh yeah.
>> So that's why I'm saying that >> there's no garage. >> Yeah. The driveway or you want to stand but then you want to stand. You need a stand thing. >> Put against the wall >> or put on the wall. The plug on the wall outside wall. >> All right.
>> All righty. Okay. Okay, that's all we have for site plans. >> That's site plans. So, um, who's doing a presentation on the update of the master plan? >> Uh, it's not a presentation. It's just again, I know we talked about it a
little bit last time, but, um, a presentation is being held about the update of the master plan for Delaware American Canal Commission. Um, and I think Stan or no, uh, Ted maybe brought it up last time. Uh, it's going to be at
Fellowship Hall behind the Griggstown Reform Church on June 28th at 2 PM. Um, I looked on the website to see if they had anything that I could review and like tell you what they're planning to update. They don't have anything up yet, so I think what they're doing is like a
planning of how they're going to update the plan. Um, so I think it'd be interesting, you know, uh, to go. So, just again reminding you, they got a a um grant from the New Jersey Historic Trust for 550,000 to do a comprehensive
master plan update. Um and the last time the plan was updated was in 1989. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, I'll just keep that on there for now. I had originally put it on the agenda cuz I thought that they might have on their website, DRCC's website
like a like a something to show what they're updating, but it's not there yet. So, if it comes up, I'll review it. If not, you know, we'll learn about it at the meeting if anyone can go or wants to go. >> The uh historic committee and the Delaware River Canal Commission approved
the improvement I'm trying to get on the manhole causeway. Oh yes, you told us. They're >> still moving ahead bit by bit. >> Five years. >> Probably more to come. I know, right? >> Well, they they had to do a wetlands determination for some reason. So, I I
don't know exactly what they're doing, but it's it's moving along. >> Got it. Yeah. >> Maybe by the fall it'll be ready to be. >> Maybe. I said maybe it was I wasn't going down that road too far. Okay. um
committee reports. >> Oh, before we go to committee reports, do we want to add what Stan wanted to add about the um >> the clean communities grant? >> Oh, yeah. Should I talk about that? >> So, um and I kind of want to wrap it to last time I was reporting on sustainable
Jersey summit and I said I met Joanne Demandon. She gave me this paperworks. um annual New Jersey income for leaders summit award ceremony October 9th. um can have it
here and she gave me this uh report about u this and that. And then um uh what was brought to my attention I think he panic is that uh just like last year um we received funding from clean
communities uh which originates from the EP um and this money uh can be used for projects related to um litter removal and education and uh things like that. Now Tara said that uh the money is
managed here by DPW, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. And so I had an idea that since we have um site uh in in our township that uh was impacted by pollution as a matter of
fact there was a super superite super fun site. Yeah. And uh everyone in that area had to have their uh wells decommissioned. But now apparently uh the area is already considered clean and
uh but but to put the well back in is very expensive. So that we we could hopefully recommend to use those funds for for those wells because the the southern section of our township has low water pressure.
So um some residents uh would uh certainly welcome if we uh have uh wells open. >> So this would be to unclog the decommission wells >> or if they are permanently sealed
>> that were permanently sealed. And where is this located then? Just remind me. >> Uh >> this would be on Route 518. >> Correct. >> The Higgins farm. naughty. >> Well, I don't know whether the Higgins themselves, but there's several houses
that are sort of in front of the the pumping station, but >> yeah, >> I've never heard that the water pressure is low. >> Well, some residents told me that there is. So >> they put in the the line and the pumping
station was relatively fairly recently upgraded. The pumping station at 518 and 27 and it kept it took a long time to get it done because they kept sending the wrong
thing. But to my knowledge, it's now complete. And these wells are on private property. >> Yeah, that's that's one question I would have. Can they use it on >> private property?
>> Well, so before the meeting, Stan had asked if I could find out anything from DPW about what they use the money for. So I reached out to Carl and he did write me back and he said, so I basically said, "How do we use the clean communities money? Can you give me some
info? Are you looking for any ideas?" and he just says, "We use it on equipment purchase, equipment maintenance, weekend cleanups, which is for township staff, like the cost of township staff, cleanup supplies, sweepings, and disposal cost." So, my
understanding is that all of that money is used, that's what it's used for, basically. >> He says equipment. >> I know. >> Oh my god. I know that some of it is is pulling from the >> Franklin Times.
>> Yes, some of it's used towards Franklin Times. Um, so my understanding is that the money is allocated basically like there's cost associated with it. However, >> right, we that doesn't mean that we can't submit a recommendation, you know,
>> well, it doesn't mean we can't submit it. It does. >> My idea was based on the pictures you took of the culverts that some of the money the DPW could use to clean up and open up some of those coverts. >> And then Tara said that's that's a
cleanup that would fit in DPW without any real argument. >> So that's another possibility. I I was thinking we could do a resolution recommending to DPW that they consider this and because Stan showed a couple of
coverts are really blocked with all sorts of debris. >> At least we could we could make it known that we are aware of those publications. Watch how they >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> If you want to send a memo, we can put that together. Um but then you'll help
me with the details or whatever. >> We can include some of the pictures. Yeah, we could do that. >> Do we need to make a motion? >> That's what I was think if if we need a motion. >> Make a motion that we recommend DPW to use uh communities funding to clean our
cover. >> Yeah. >> Make a comment stand. >> Yes. >> I would just recommend that the DPW um clean out those Culver stations because the money is already accounted for. So let them find whether it's that
money or other money to use to clean out the culvers but not necessarily clean communities. Just recommending that we want them to clean out the culver. >> Yeah. >> Yes. But at the same time you want to tell them hey we know that you are already receiving being money for
something. So >> they they budget >> we don't know how much budget they would have done. There are usually some give and take. You know, it's not the budgets aren't carved in stone. So, it's possible, you know, spend the weekend
with the guys doing work. >> I just think I think we're limiting ourselves by saying just using clean communities. >> Oh, that Yeah. Okay. >> And it can be used the money can be gotten from elsewhere is is what my point is. It can be clean communities plus from somewhere
>> wherever. Do you have specific culverts in mind? >> Yeah. Well, Stan Stan's got a couple that were totally blocked and some partially blocked. >> Well, it's just we were inspecting some of the steel is run. >> Yeah.
>> One of them on Lane Road which is um first culvert from the tributary coming from Inman Park. That one is in the series run area. >> Yeah. Yeah.
I thought that was that was good work and I thought how do we do this and then when I heard about the grant I said aha >> well there is actually another money that um had appointed to our person
name of the lady is >> she she's copied on um she was doing inspection in 2019 and all the pictures that she submitted were from 2019 That's why we wanted to have new pictures. >> It's been a while.
>> Yeah. And um kind of surprised that it has been caught for six years, seven. And >> uh we didn't still didn't get a flood over at least not to the point that somebody would notice.
>> It'd be a good thing to do. >> So we'll we'll do a a memo or something. Taran, I all in favor? What was the motion? >> The motion? >> Following your >> the motion? >> You amended the motion. >> I didn't know if they were you were
accepting the amendment to the motion. >> Wait. Yeah, why not? >> That's not unreasonable. >> Understand to amend the motion. It was his motion. >> I just have memo to DPW to use funds from clean energy, I'm sorry, clean
communities grant to clean out culverts. Um, >> I didn't add in Arie's part yet. You're good with amending that. Well, Arie Arie didn't want to make reference to that specific funding because he wanted >> any other funding >> or other funding or any other
>> or other funding as well. >> Any other funding or other funding? Okay, cool. >> Okay, good. >> Or other Yeah, >> got it. >> They don't exclude the clean community. >> Now, will you know that they have not
budgeted for that already? Do you know that have not budgeted for this particular? >> Well, so every year we get this grant. Every year we get it and it's like used for basically the same things every year which was the equipment, the sweeping, the cleaning, disposal cost, staff time,
right? >> Um but I we've never sent in a recommendation as to how they should use it and we are absolutely allowed to so we can do that >> before probably. But I mean >> into their budget >> correct will be no changing >> before we know there is money the
township already got the money and they made the decision. So it's like we are coming and saying oh we know that you are receiving this money and >> why don't you consider >> watching you watching me. >> So is there I'm wondering is there a
report that comes out from the township every year in terms of how the money from this grant >> Yeah. has been allocated because clearly >> the email wasn't
specific enough like equipment such as >> and if every year you're buying equipment what kind and where is >> every every year the communities coordinator which is Carl the director of DPW has to submit a report to DP that
report is posted every county has to do it and I guess they take the money and they take the information from each town. That's posted on D. DPW. What Ted said is what happens is they get a grant, they absorb it into their budget
and they use it to buy and use time and things like that. So I don't think they account for it line by line. >> It gets absorbed into their budget. >> Whatever report they send to the EP when he can send us the copy of the most
recent Exactly. because I I'll look it up for you. >> Yes. >> The granting agency want to know want to have a report on how the money is used. >> The granting agency. Yeah. I mean that's D I believe. Yes. >> The grants I've been on in the past. They always want reports.
>> Yes. >> Right. But so this grant is >> general categories. >> Yes. Yeah. But they also want to know deliverables. What are you delivering for the money? But basically, every town gets this
grant. That's the thing. It's like given out every year as a way to, you know, like promote uh recycling, cleanups, community education. So, it's kind of given to the town and saying you have to use it for these types of things. >> Sounds a little loosey goosey.
>> Well, it's it's being as a reward for recycling effort, right? >> Correct. You have to you have to recycle. I mean, it's a law anyway. Yeah. But you have to recycle a certain amount to be able to get it. Yes. I'll see if I can find the report and I will
uh I will send it out. It goes into a >> slush is I would be like wow he knows how to send something to >> require it. >> I know >> you got to do it. Well, otherwise they hand you
>> he may ask someone to do it for him, you know. >> Not me. He's never asked me to do it, but >> because tonight >> All right, I'll keep looking it up. I I got to find it. I'm sure it's here. Um
>> we're up to committee reports then. >> Yes. >> Well, Maria, do you have anything? Well, I emailed um Miss Holzer again um asking for a specific day or time in the fall
for us to have this event. I haven't heard from them yet. Seems like they are closing the school year. They're working on kids concerts, >> graduation, and um you have two emails already. I haven't heard. Oh yeah, I was
suggesting this venue because it's more centrally located >> but the audience is more in high school. Do you think that if we ask someone in high school, we would be more likely to get buy in >> as the environmental um advisor of the
environmental club. >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you know uh Miss Sepiel? >> I really remember Jessica Res. Yeah, I think she's maternity. >> She might be back from maternity at this point, but I don't think she's uh leaving me club. I think it's Miss
Sepio. >> Yeah. >> Um I can I to find >> But um they are very interested in doing this. It's just a timing for them. It's not a good thing.
>> Yes. But if they don't respond, I mean, just we have so many schools in the district. >> Do you have her contact? >> Yeah, I don't. >> I'll search it up and I'll let you know. >> So, Ellen, just so you know, so it looks
like every year the clean communities coordinator is required to submit a statistical report. that summarizes program expenditures and activities. So, and it's just done online. Um, so I'll look and see if I can see the report. Yeah. Well, I'll see if I can find it, but yes. So, we have to submit it, but
it's not it's not it doesn't look like it's a detailed, you know, >> uh, list. >> Oh, yes. Good. Um, at the Shade Tree meeting last week, I made a motion to send a request to management to amend the township ordinance 222 to increase
the prices of trees developers must pay into the trust fund when they aren't planting the required amount of trees on a development site. The motion included the prices of trees of several area towns as well as the price range of
trees from price quotes from three companies that submitted bids to plant trees at Casten Park. There was discussion and the motion passed and it's been 3 years since they updated the price and it's supposed to be updated
every year. >> Did you recommend a price number? We provided them well we're going to be providing them with all these prices. >> Have you gotten any your data back yet from the I mean have you done the research yet?
>> We don't we research we this is all what we we're sending to them. All that research is is what we're sending to them. Yeah. >> All the information about the prices that are being used in other towns plus C Park right here in town. Recently there were three bids on it and they
were supposed to be planting about 100 trees and three different uh developers or companies provided price quotes for their trees >> and the price quotes for the trees were substantially higher than what we're is in our ordinance now.
>> That's going to use that you know as part of you know what we're sending >> real >> justification. Mhm. We've been pushing this for the last three years, but so >> yeah, >> good. Good. >> Okay.
>> You have a time frame, but do you yield back from them? >> It's their time. >> No, another 3 years. >> No. >> Last thing to I'm not to interrupt again, but Ellen, this is the report that has to be filled out. It's on the screen. It's blank. This is just an
example. See, it's very like how much did you get? How much did you spend? How much was in kind? And then clean up. how much you know of the salary, education, enforcement. So, it's very basic. It's not like line by line. What equipment did you buy? What? >> Oh, yes. I like it.
>> But they give you the categories. >> They give you categories. So, if you would, if you all want to see this report, you can ask me to ask for it and I will then say that I was asked to ask for it. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I will do that. >> That's a measure of our
>> Yeah. >> Okay. There should be accountability. We should know. Okay. >> For three years, three years worth of reports. >> Okay. I will do that. >> They've been doing what they wanted for years. >> I have just two updates if it's okay for
the committee and for other committees. >> So, the trails advisory committee is going to be holding their uh annual firefly walk. We participated in it last year. We had a table. So, if we want to participate again, we can do the same thing. I got the printouts from the county print shop of just like brochures
that Anjac had made to give out. So, I have them here. Um, we would need someone to man the table the entire time if we're going to do it. >> What's the date? >> It's Saturday, July 11th. Right now, they're deciding the time because they're trying to keep an eye out for,
you know, when the sun's going to go down and everything like that. But they're in the process this at this meeting this month. They will determine the time and all that, but um it's good to have a table there. The astronomy club will be there. You can be one of the people. >> Oh, perfect. Okay, great.
>> Is it the grasslands where they did the >> at the John Ply Memorial Native Grasslands Preserve? So 1091 Canal Road Saturday. Yep. Saturday. Last year they started it around 7:30, which I think >> Yeah, it was good. >> It was good. It might have been a little bit early. So yeah, I think we need to
move it down a little. That's what we're going to do. We finished the walk. They had the telescope set up, but it was cloudy. You really It didn't work for >> Yes. Oh gosh. Yeah. The astronomy club participates. >> So, are we in So, Kiki says she can be there. Um, and then other people from
the trails committee will be there too, Kiki. So, um I think it's good to participate in. >> It's a nice walk around. >> Yes. >> There were a lot of fireflies. >> I love fireflies. >> Oh, yeah. It's nice. We used to see more of them when we were kids.
>> Yes. >> Butterflies have been diminishing like all insects. >> Butterflies. >> Yes. >> We The other thing, too, is that the I So, the light bulbs are in um DPW right now. So, I have to go pick them up. So, we should have those. We're going to
give out um we had got grant money. So, we bought a bunch of amber light bulbs for outdoor use. And we got stickers that you can put on the outside and it takes you to our energy efficiency website. Um, so we just have to like assemble those which I can assemble those before for you. So you'll have something to give out. You'll have
brochures which I have here. Um, and it's just a matter of being there and if anyone's interested in the EC or they want to know more about what our role is in it, but the astronomy club can be there talking about the importance of uh not not having a lot of light pollution. We can as well from another perspective.
And the trails committee is there. daily lead a walk and they talk about the grasslands and how important um fireflies are to the habitat. So >> there were there were families that brought little kids with them and they read they read a story about the fireflies for the kids. >> You do a good job. It's really well
attended. It's a really nice event. >> Maybe 30 or 40 people. >> Oh yeah. >> What are the hours? >> We're It's probably going to be around 7:30 8:00 but I can let you know for sure in about a week. >> That's funny. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 11. >> Yeah. For how long? What's the duration?
>> Usually like an hour and a half, two hours. >> Yeah, it takes a while to walk around the thing. You know, we're not out running. >> I have to check my planner. >> Yeah. And the astronomy club will set up their telescopes and they give observations. So, >> chase fireflies as a kid. >> Yeah, I know, right?
>> Fireflies do. >> So, that's that's one update. The other update is the open space advisory committee. We're still working on this right now, but we're working on um an inclusivity grant from Somerset County. So, Somerset County's open space
committee is giving out um grants to municipalities for trail improvements, specifically Somerset County. Um and so the open space advisory committee here and the trails committee is working on putting together um a grant request that
will extend the um handicapped accessible loop uh at Negri Napot Native Grasslands Preserve to go around the bird blind which is currently being rehabilitated. So, the grant hopefully will cover um the surface material. Um
you know, uh what else? The actual extension around it, the ramp to go into the bird blind railings that they're lower, a bench inside the bird blind that's handicapped accessible. But the other thing that we're working on, which I thought was just of interest, is we're
going to also try to have um tactile maps for people that have, you know, uh visual impairments. Um promoting apps. So, we're really trying to work on that. So, it's slowgoing because we have to get a lot of quotes in order to do these
things, but that's what they're working on. So, I thought that was a good Yeah, I thought that was good. And I'm sure at some point down the road, we might be able to do something there as the EC like either an event or who knows what. So,
>> we see next uh committee celebrates National >> Oh, National Trails Day. Yes. Saturday, June 6th. Saturday at 10:00 a.m. >> That's this Saturday. >> At Nagina Pot. Yep. That's the And everyone's invited if you want to go.
They'll lead a hike, you know. So, >> unless some people are working on brewing. So, >> right. That's the only updates I had. Yep. >> We worked on rails to trails with the county, but we didn't get any. Remember
that meeting? >> So, not yet. Yes sir. >> Shall we have like a statute that we open for uh the emmeritus commission present or >> um
>> well if we don't >> we normally open for public but >> no we're going >> so you're saying should we open >> Oh yeah absolutely sure open do you so instead of public comment he's saying we
can open up for Robin as a commissioner of >> specifically for for >> I don't know if we can do that. I'm not really sure. I've never been asked that. >> No, I mean it's right the first line in old business is commissioner the committee. So we can do it that way. >> It doesn't have to be public. It's just
partly >> when we've had speakers then we've allowed the public to speak. >> Of course. Yeah. >> So we can be flexible. >> Sure. >> Robert, you want to speak? Well, I >> I thought this table for the Firefly
Walk was a perfect example if we could reach out to Commissioner Zmeritus and say, "Want to help us out? >> Come come enjoy the evening at the Firefly Walk." But they have to be in the loop. They have to know what's going on. So,
>> Ted has been generously routinely sharing the minutes with past commissioners. I thought it would be nice to create a little more structure around it and maybe have that group pick somebody to be a representative to stay
in touch with what's going on here and help supplement the efforts. >> So whether it's tableabling for an event or getting people to come to the library for a speaker or being in a stream cleanup, it just helps spread some of the workload. And maybe it's a way too
so that if people do retire from the EC, they don't want to lose touch completely. It's a way to be involved, free up a new seat on the EC, but still have have be part of the gang. >> Yeah. >> Continuity. That's >> the flexibility.
Some of the meetings could be virtual. Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. For the ameritus and doesn't have to be a standing every two weeks meeting. That group can decide what makes sense for them. But if periodically somebody said, "Hey, I'll go cover the meeting and a town hall on this date." Oh, I'll go cover it on this
date. And you know, we keep a little pipeline going in and out. That was my thinking. >> So, and it's not something meant to go to the council and get approval to change the ordinance. It's just >> volunteers
coming forth in that shape. >> I agree with you. Yeah. I I leave that to all of you to decide. I do have some other things from the public I would like to bring up that I can wait. >> So before you move on, Robin, um so in
addition to Ted's emails, what do you propose that we do to create more of a structure? I don't think you have to really do anything except give it your blessing
>> and let the ameritus commissioners get together and come up with a structure that makes sense for them. >> And I think if if they we are willing to take turns being present here >> even if it's not every meeting if somebody gets here once a month
>> and then can report back to everybody else and you know I think they could use our help. They seem a little weak. They said they needed help. Just get the word out. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I think if we don't make it too confining a structure, we'll get more
participation. >> So that's my suggestion. >> Yeah. Good. I like it. >> Yeah. >> So you you want to wait till the end to do the other comments or you want >> if if I could for it'll be brief. >> Sure. Good. At the Y capital campaign meeting tonight, I understood their
plans to build a mosque at Bennett Lane and 27. Have those plans come to you yet? >> We haven't gotten them yet. They haven't come here yet. >> It sounds fairly definitive. So, keep your eyes and ears out. It's if it's, if I understand correctly, it's across the
street across Bennett's Lane from um >> 94. No, across Bennett's Lane from the bank, >> which I thought that lot was big wetlands. >> It's the very heavy trade lot before Jify Loop just north of >> at the corner of 27.
>> Yeah. And Bennett Lane. >> Just north of the new car wash between the car wash and Bennett Lane. It's very, very heavily treated. It's low. >> There was an application for something a couple years ago or something. >> This sounds new. >> It was a warehouse that was
four years ago. Jack Morris project. >> No, no, no, no. This was since that Jack Morris was a long time ago. Um, but you're right. There was a um a warehouse proposed for there and it was shot down for I don't recall what reasons, but >> Well, this is a mosque and names of
who's funding it were very much around the table tonight. So, I just >> Was that the one that was going to be a Hindu temple and then they >> No, that's South Middleush. This is Route 27. >> What is 27? >> Yes. Um >> it's one of the few places where there's
nice woods along 27. >> Yes. Um have do we have any update on the land use master plan update for 26 and sustainability elements? >> So uh let me think here for a minute.
No, I do not have an update on that. I'm trying to think of the next thing that there was an update on. I did um let me back up. update. I do have an I well this update is old. So Mark Healey had sent he's sending around he's basically putting together um what each committee
would be he would want like feedback and comments on and he's going to send it out to all the committees he said like everybody uh environmental historic trails open space to review parts and get back on the feedback. I did mention to him the requirement of a climate
change related hazard vulnerability assessment which is like the stepping stone of this. So uh his thought was that that is only required when the actual land use element is updated. So what's what we're required to do is a re-examination of the master plan. The
land use element itself is not getting updated. So technically it's not required. So, I did look that up and that >> is the land use element up for updating >> because that's where I think we get in. >> Yeah, because it's it should be done every 10 years.
>> That's where I think we want to get in green room. >> I think next by next year it'll be due >> and maybe that's a place where some commissioners and mayors could go. >> 2006. Oh, no wait. That's the community
facilities used. Okay, hang on. asked the community and No, that's it. 2006 is when it was last done. Land use element. And doesn't it have to be done every time? >> Well, it was re-examined in 2016. >> Yes. So, it's been re-examined. >> Well, this year it should be examined
again. >> Yeah. And can we have some input into that? >> Yes, we should. Absolutely. So, I that I think that's the plan for sure. I can follow up with Mark and find out. just make sure they give us enough time so we can do it well. This is our we have to
wait 10 years for another shot at this apple. >> Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. >> And um maybe we can get some ameritus to help with that too kind of things that we should be incorporating. >> Um I I'd hate to get shuffled aside say oh not enough time sorry these things
are too big. We can't do it. Come back in 36. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It would that's worth an article in the paper if we're not given enough time. >> Okay. I will see what the plan is. >> We have been talking about it for
>> Yes. Mark sat in this room and told Paul and me and maybe you were there. >> I wasn't there for that. No. >> When he said yes, we'll form a committee that'll include zoning board, planning board, environmental commission. Oh, now I was going to ask about this.
Well, I was this the sort of advisory committee to the open space plan revision. >> Yes. So the well the open space plan is happening. Yes. The steering committee is being put together and there is a
representative from environmental commission trails open space shade tree. So yeah that but that's for the open space plan but that is yeah that's going to happen. Yeah >> this is be the land use >> this is a different yeah this is the land use plan. >> There's so many good things out there
now that other municipalities are doing we don't even have to reinvent the wheel. Princeton has I've had I've seen that one. >> Princeton, Maplewood, Montlair, many of them are doing and maybe Princeton is the best comparable for us because they
have some space. >> Um, but I I've been bringing this up every 3 months cuz it concerns me and we'll miss the moment and then it'll be too late. >> Is it possible to act to to be a little bit proactive? In other words, look at
the townships that have done >> and uh compile the data >> from Princeton and all so so that we can have them become familiar with them. >> It's called a sustainability element.
You're welcome to go out and look at look at what other towns are doing and read their ma their land use portion of their master plan and what do they have for sustainability elements or green building um principles they have it'll be a broad
choice of names but I think if there is one thing this commission needs to do it's pay attention to that in the next four months >> now which township ship that you mentioned besides Princeton, >> Princon, Maplewood,
>> Montlair, there's some of the best >> and there West is one of the ones. >> If you if you call Anjack or write to Anjack and say who's got the best of these, Anjek will tell you. >> Yeah. So, they've done our our work for us because you know, you take the best
practices and >> and have to reinvent the wheel difference. So, it would mean some work to make it fit for Franklin, but >> Sure. tweak it. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> Thank you for caring. I think >> No, that was good. >> If I could just get back to the uh
corner of Bennis Lane and 27. Um coming back to me that yeah, it was a warehouse and part of the reason it was shot down was North Brunswick was up in arms about it. They were really pressuring everybody for not to let so that it
wouldn't happen because of the traffic issues over there. And if you >> I know I know you have friends in North Brunswick, so make sure that >> they're familiar with what's going on there. >> If you guys see the plans come through, please let me know cuz this was not this
was not a council meeting I was at, but it was the people around the table know that community very well and specifically mentioned whose money it was, which of course didn't sink in with me, but it sounds like it's very much a
thing in progress. M I hope they'll run into some difficulties >> because they'll land it. Just go drive by it and you notice you look down. It's got to be wet in there. >> Yeah.
>> I'm sorry, Ted. Did you have a question? >> Funny or she? >> Is that it? >> You don't know? >> No, I don't know. Oh, well I mean we probably Sunny because we have a wellestablished Shiite
mosque in the town on Cedar Grove Lane. >> Mhm. >> So it would be sunny. Yeah. >> We have a council. >> The one on that was been proposed for South Middle Bush. There was they didn't tell us the the website said one thing.
The application said something else. Yes. >> And that's what slowed things down. Yes, >> because it meant you needed more parking and the traffic was going to be heavier than they they really ma made it out to see. >> Thank you, Arie. That's a good tip. I'll
keep that in mind. Thank you all for what you're doing. Kiki, it's great to see you here. I'm glad to know you're part of this wonderful >> what you all you've done. Oh, I do I do want to tell you that in my other hats, um I did get the state theater to incorporate a
hefty sustainability element in their strategic plan. >> Oh wow. They had a wimpy little thing and I said this will not do and so I wrote a strong one and they came back about halfway in between. So >> that's good. And they are doing a carbon
footprint calculation right now going back to 2018. So my education here has helped me be better >> out there in the world. So >> So I I found the PDF document of the green building and environmental
sustainability element of Princeton. >> Great. >> New Jersey master plan. >> Um I'll send it to Tara and then she can circulate it if you like to the rest of the committee. Mhm. >> But I think green building is one
portion just overall sustainability >> for the township and the one required thing that Tara mentioned that's primarily focused on flooding I remember. Right. >> It's on hazard. Yeah. Hazards, climate change related hazards. So flooding, extreme heat and cold.
>> Yeah. The heat's got to be in there too. >> Yes. Um we're just we >> the nice thing about that the climate change related hazard vulnerability assessment that's required under municipal land use law now when the land use element is updated but uh sustainable Jersey put together this
awesome guidance book about how to actually write it and what should be in it and it requires a buildout analysis so it's a really good tool >> um so yeah so >> but I think if somebody writes to Deanie or Jennifer or somebody at Anjack and
says what what's the outline of a good sustainability element >> right >> in a massive environment >> she could give you those things >> yeah absolutely yeah >> I've been trying to do a lot with anjek to help them on this NJPacted reel that
just got set back by a year the governor >> um but I did testify in Trenton a couple weeks ago on that >> and submitted written testimony so I'm trying to do my little thing absolutely play. It's a lot. >> It's not a lot. >> Thank you all. It's great for Robin.
Nice seeing you. >> Firefly walk. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> I love that event. And you know, if folks want to help, they don't have to stay for the whole walk. Just be there at the table. >> I hope you join us. >> I assume you're getting anything from series that I might get about.
>> Yep. I did the first one and there's another one coming up. Thank you. It's really >> Thanks, Robin. Nice seeing you. All right. Have a good one. >> Come back in two weeks. >> I'll come when I can. >> Good. Yeah. Okay.
>> So, um I guess we're ready for old business. >> Uh actually, I don't know whether it's a I'll say it. So, so um me and Robin uh we will be attending Radar's I have to read it next Tuesday
or Wednesday. New Jersey Climate Change Research Symposium, Livingstone Student Center. >> Okay. >> So, um will be exciting. Um if I learn something, I'll certainly report uh next next time. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, that was just advertised. >> Anybody wants to join? >> The New Jersey Climate Change Symposium. >> The New Jersey Climate Change Research Symposium. >> It's not free. >> You're on record, right? University. >> Yeah. Yeah,
>> it's Livingston campus. Yep. >> New business. I was just going to bring this up the scheduling. Um, one next meeting is on the 15th of January of June and it is the same time as the um
League of Conservation Voters Gala and I don't know if anybody was planning to attend that. You >> certainly will be. >> You will be. That's what I thought. Yeah. And I don't know if anybody else was and Maria is going to go too. Um, we
might consider moving the meeting uh or whatever. I mean, we just had a brief conversation in the beginning, but um that's so sort of a hot topic or new business or something, but so I wanted to bring that up just to see what the
consensus is of of the group about either moving the meeting one week or canceling it or what car what's your your feelings? >> So, whatever you guys decide is fine with May the next week. Oh, I don't know if it's the next week actually
>> 15th. So it would be the 20 whatever >> 22nd. Is that when I'm gone? No. >> Yes. Is it? No. No, I'm not gone yet. Okay. >> Oh, it's a possibility. >> We have a >> It's a possibility. Yeah.
>> So, who all is going as of now? >> And Maria, >> that's two. >> Yeah. >> So, we still have a quorum. >> We We have a quum. I was >> I wouldn't be able to make it on the 22nd. There is a conflict. I think >> I'm okay with both.
>> If it's only two people, we could just keep it as it is and then as long as we have a quorum, we'll meet. >> Wait, but they're deciding. Is there something else? There's something on the >> Yeah, there is something on the 22nd. >> We'll be able to make that. >> Okay. So, we'll leave it the
>> We'll leave it the 15th. If for some reason we don't have a quorum, then we'll we'll deal with it at that point. But >> if something comes up that one of the the remaining group can't make it, we So, who will be missing you and Kim? >> No. Um, Ted and Maria. >> Ted and Maria as of right now. Yeah.
>> I could go, but I haven't I've been >> haven't really decided. I've gone to the last three, but Ed was the draw. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we'll just keep it as it is for right now. I think >> he's busy doing higher things now.
>> Okay. So, then we'll move into old business. And we've already had the ameritus committee discussion >> uh leaf blower ordinance. >> I don't have an update yet on the leaf blower ordinance. >> I've been waiting to for the our liaison to show up and the one meeting that he
showed up meeting was the meeting that I was away. >> So if I can make a recommendation um if he doesn't show up at the next meeting where we can ask him about it. Um, we send a follow-up letter to the to the council and ask them if they have
any update any updated status on their review of it, >> where it is in the review process. >> Were we supposed to already receive update by now? >> Who is this expectation? >> Because we can send the request the uh
that they have to send a update at a certain time. >> But you suggest that >> we have to ask. That's okay. >> Ask now, not then. >> Well, I'm fine with that. You know, Stan wants to send a letter and ask him now. I'm fine with that. >> I can resend the memo to him. Just say,
"Hey, what's have you like where's this at? >> When was the last time?" >> Uh, I feel like it's been a while, right? >> About five, six weeks. >> Oh gosh. Yeah. >> It wasn't the last meeting that the meeting before that. So, >> I think it was even before that. It was
earlier >> the one before that >> April 1st. >> Yeah, I was going to say it was early April. >> This this propos is such a >> mid June. So it's too much >> nothing weak, you know, >> April 1st. Yeah,
>> it's just letting the businesses know that something might be coming more, you know. >> All right, we can resend it to them and ask if for an update. >> Okay, good. Do we need to go a motion? >> No, I think it
>> Okay. >> Okay. Update. Franklin Township Open Space and Recreation. >> I don't have any update since the last meeting. Um I told you last time that we are our recreation is putting together a survey about programming and facilities.
So, we're going to jump on to that. Um but he's still working on it. So, no update yet. Um, if there's is there any other old business anybody wants to bring up? >> I just want to get back to who do you send the um that request to
>> the memo? >> Yeah. >> Um, I'll send it to Councilman Sing again. >> Okay. >> Last time I sent I can send it to Copy Bob Warlock as well. Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I can do that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So since you know we missed the
you know save the mall and we're having you know leave the leaves in fall we should start thinking about how to start promoting that it's going to be like in 4 months it's going to be fall. >> Oh the leave the leaves you mean? Yes. Yeah. >> What's your story? >> 4 months you don't know it's going to come back.
>> That's a good point though. We should at least put it on the agenda so that Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean we if we want to send it to Franklin Times it's like you know we have to send it a half year ahead or something.
>> Maybe we should send them now for >> we should send them now for fall. >> Maybe still late. >> It's late. >> Do you think >> we sent them saved them all? Was it February? >> Yeah. >> And it still didn't come out.
>> It did not come out yet. It takes time. >> That's why it goes called Franklin Times. >> All right. So then, um, we're going to open the motion to open the floor to public comment. >> Second. All >> in favor?
>> Yes. >> Any comments from the public? >> Yeah. uh for the firefly walk. Um I think we should have like the save the mo leave leaves trifolds that we made. We had printed out like a bunch maybe like two years ago or something.
>> Um I definitely saw PDF for that. But just to have as handouts I think would be good. Um I can also write like leave the leaves for the Franklin Times if you'd like just to send it in. And >> I think we we should have something uh more for the what is coming. So for the
leaf leave the leaves. >> Yeah. Leave the leaves. rather than uh save them all because >> that's what I meant to say. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a little bit attached. Yeah. >> But I can write something up, have it hopefully by the end of the month and then we can like send it to them and if it's not too late then it'll get in and if it is whatever.
>> Good. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. >> Yeah, I can do that. >> Thank you. >> Do we need to have any Okay. Well, I was just about funding to print it, but uh let's forget it. So it who's going to
pay for the print? >> We have some money. >> We can print it. >> We have money. >> We can print it. >> Yeah, we have money. >> Well, you say it's a trifold, right? Is it in black and white? >> Um, it was in color. I don't know if it's black and how it would look black and white. >> Um,
>> it could look kind of ancient. I would rather do color. >> Yeah, I I think it looks nice in color. It was designed for in color, so I just don't know how to translate. Um, >> it's a letter size, right? Yeah, it was like normal. >> And then we flip it to to trifold. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. >> If you have the PDF and you want to send
it to me, we can work on getting it printed. Yeah, that we can do. Yeah, absolutely. If you send me that. >> Shall we have Spanish version? >> Oh, yeah. >> What is it? She's >> She said, "No, no, I'm sorry. It's, you
know, we're a country of immigrants. We have done this with all the other immigrant groups." >> I think it's a good idea. >> I know. I'm sure. I had to mold my front lawn by already and use it again. >> German Italian grandparents did.
>> I'm not asking it to be in Czech language. >> What? >> That's true. >> I'm not asking to be in Czech language. I'm from Czech, >> but I suggest Spanish. >> And I'm I'm not answering it to be in >> Yish or Hebrew. You know,
>> I'm from New York and I wanted a New York language. >> Okay. Come on, guys. I think it's Spanish a good the bilingual thing is >> I think it would be a great idea. >> I don't know. I don't know if it's possible in a trifold if you have one
side English and one side. >> I would probably I think it would have to be two. >> It's the same paper. >> Yeah. Which maybe we can work together on that. I can try to do a draft >> and then and then probably we cut it >> we learn English.
>> Okay. Well, in order to spend any money, um, that needs the emotion in for me to be able to. >> Okay. I I moved that we spend the $5 for printing. >> No, it's not $5. >> HOW MUCH COULD it be? >> Well, I I because I can't and I
shouldn't be able to just like order things. So, you guys have to direct me. >> How much What's a reasonable number? >> Well, I mean, if you want me to bring you back the quote, I can. The I just put that in the mail. >> How many were How many were we planning on printing out? And this copy is just
idea of uh how much it would cost. >> All right, hang on. I can give you an idea. Just give me one second here. Uh what is this under? Let me think. >> When would this be given out? I mean
a flyer in July is not much use. >> No, no, not mowing. It would be the leave the leaves. >> Oh, leave the leaves. >> Or leave the leaves. Yeah. So, the brochures we ordered, they were made by Anjack and we printed out. Oh, here we go. Cool from Somerset County.
>> A different size. >> We But we print Well, I'm just telling you, this is who we would use. So, we printed out 450 copies. It was in color. It was $238.50. >> Was that something that we made or was Anj? >> Anj made it. We printed it.
>> Okay. >> Three. We printed three brochures 150 each. So if you only wanted to print 150, so 238.5 divided by 3, that's how much it divided by Yes. Three. >> Does that ink go through the straits of Hormuz where the price is?
>> Um, well, it was all color, so that's what costfold. >> Yeah, you could allocate. Are >> both sides color? >> Plus, it's less. >> I'm sorry. Are both sides color? Cuz everything's color. Is it would it be more appropriate or more efficient if
one side was color and the other side was black and white? >> I don't know if you can do that. I'm not sure. I mean, I know I could do it on my It would be It would be roughly $80. It would be roughly $80. >> It would be roughly $80 that we're talking about here. 80 bucks. >> Are you talking It would be $80 for
English, $80 for >> No, I'm saying to print 150 copies in color trifold, it would be $80. We can split that up into half and half. We can do but we can do all I mean it's up to you guys. I'm just giving you like a general ballpark of how much it would cost.
>> Why don't you allocate 150 bucks if it's see I see how it comes out. That should allow you to do both things. >> Money is not a problem. >> What is our budget? >> Our total budget >> or remaining budget.
>> Oh that I don't have that I have to get from Mark. So I can get that for the next meeting. But I can tell you how much it is in general. >> Yeah, general. >> You don't have car. >> Well, why are you getting mad at me? I don't have access to the financial system. >> Okay. >> Do you think there we have 80 bucks?
Because I know we have. >> So, yeah, definitely. I mean, >> total budget is what 700 now or >> budget request, 1500. >> Maybe
>> education. Oh, signage and promotional items. $1,000. >> $2,400 total. >> $2,400 for printing, the plaques, the educational >> the year and by June or >> No, this is the full year
>> calendar >> calendar. Could Could you estimate perhaps how much has been spent already from the 2500? >> That's separate. I would say >> we spent $238 um on this. Where's my request?
>> We spent $238.50 and the light bulbs all came from a grant. >> That was last year. That 23850. No, >> no, that was from that was to print those brochures that I just picked up that are in that box. >> Um we haven't ordered the plaque. Oh, we
paid the dues. So, they're done. 450 out. 238. >> This card. >> We haven't paid. Yeah. So, we still have probably $700 roughly for printing and promotional. >> And the budget year ends in September. >> No, it's end of the year. This is a
calendar year. Yeah, >> it's a calendar year. >> We're fine with it. It doesn't get passed usually until May, >> right? Okay. Okay. >> We're okay in terms of signage promotional. I mean, honestly, it's probably going to cost, like I said, $75 to $80 depending on how many you want to
print. If you want to print 150 copies, it's probably going to be $80. Yeah. So >> if you print less or more than >> Well, the thing is if we don't use them now, we can use them next year because the fo the leave will fall every year. So >> right. >> OH,
I got you on that one. >> Stan is like having comedy hour. Yeah. So he's doing dad jokes. >> Yes. Um so yeah, we could do that. Absolutely. The question though I need to I mean I if you want to order some in Spanish or whatever though then I need
to put that on the on the quote. I think that in Spanish everything is involved heavily in collecting these. So I would do one to one >> actually >> order. Okay. But I need a motion that needs to pass before we go. Tell me how many copies you want order. That's what
I need to know. >> 80 75 75 >> 75 75. >> Okay. So I move that we order 75 copies of English trifold and 75 Spanish trifold. >> Second that
>> and then we want to have it yesterday. >> I should think we should have more English. >> That's what I was thinking too. I was thinking like 100. You probably are going to give out more English than Spanish. >> Maybe 50 Spanish and otherwise we might
get a lot of leftovers and then all we have is The events in English, right? >> So in 100 in English and 15 Spanish. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. And then >> use the flyers in a Franklin festival in the fall and Sure. Sure. >> Oh yeah. Franklin day.
>> You really want to reach more people. >> Yeah. We will not finish that. >> Let's think about it. We will not >> you know that we can walk >> when we order next time. We can we can we have left
>> be the second language. Yes. >> The other thing I can do, if you don't want to vote on it now, what I can do is I can get a quote from the print shop and bring it to the next meeting, but then again, it's going to be 2 weeks until I get you the quote. So, >> go ahead. >> I would rather go ahead. >> Go ahead.
>> It's not a big deal because think about it. Ratio is one thing, but is 75 English enough for now? >> I don't even know. I don't know. >> But it is enough for now. >> Just doing 100 English and 50. All right.
>> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's >> I mean I don't fuss. I mean if we agree on 250 it's okay. >> So there's a motion there's a second. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And of course you
from a printer's point of view these will be two separate flyers if one is correct. It may >> you probably will cost more than 150 of one. Well, yeah. >> Not a great deal.
>> Did we finish whether it there will be two flyers versus one side versus the other side? >> Yeah. >> One one >> because I think we were not >> No, Jenny said they're not really designed that way to do one side Spanish, one side English. That's what the trifold. It's like everything is
covered. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, there will be two types, right? Okay. >> Stan, are you amending your motion to be 150? >> I don't have to amend it. Can I ask you a question before we decide on the number? >> Uh how many events are there between now
and >> let's say the past fall? Because this is a fall >> issue, right? >> Yeah. So, so this one in July and Franklin Festival for sure, right? >> Yeah.
>> It's September. >> September. >> September. Um, >> so I would say 150 in English and 50 in Spanish. >> I think that makes together 200. >> Yes. But I think she's right. I think you need more than I don't think the 150.
>> Okay, fine. So, how about 150 >> and then if we have leftovers, we keep them for next year. >> They're not going to go to waste. >> Yeah, the money the money works out. But so, can we then make a compromise that 100 English and 50 Spanish? No, we're
going to go more than that. 150 >> 150 >> 50 Spanish. That's what I have. >> 50 Spanish. >> Oh, okay. So, I managed 150 English, 50 Spanish, and >> it's not going to make a big dent. >> I
got first and second, but we need a vote. >> Okay, we need a vote first. >> So, all in favor? >> I Okay, >> you have to ask, I think, cuz Ellen might not want to vote. Yes. On. You have to ask. All opposed? >> Anybody opposed?
>> I Anybody >> I think we're we're pandering to a certain immigrant group. >> My grandparents weren't pandered to in German and Italian. >> A lot more substantial than any other
predominantly not Englishspeaking group. >> No, no, I understand. They didn't have to cross an ocean. I'm sorry. >> Okay. So, we have one abstain, one opposed, no abstains. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Okay.
>> All right. We're secretive. >> That's okay. All right. >> Okay. Motion to open the floor to public comment. >> I thought we did open. >> We'll close it. Now, we're closing. This will be then I'm going to do the
adjournment. >> So, to close it. Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Anybody? No more comments. Jenny, we're all set. Good. Okay. Okay. Um motion to close. >> We close the meeting. >> Yeah. >> Amendment to close the meeting. Okay. All in favor?
>> Thank you.