##VIDEO ID:nfaIM7sKbFQ## the meeting of the Frank Township environmental commission is called pursu open meting on February 32 includ list adver Lo continuously posted as required notice under the statute tradition has meetings to water okay roll call like here Walter here Chase is not not here yet easy easy easy St oral here Robin he's not here Ria here y I'm here uh Tara is here is not and did I leave anybody out he's here he's just in the hallway Ed I saw him oh it's good okay Paul you kind of blew my mind my name came first I'm normally vast you entitled once in a while upside down there you go um okay I have a few things I'm going to say first of all I'm glad to be back I was although it was nice in Florida I was there for a month right w so I'll go back in March for 8 days after the we have a meeting March 3rd mhm on the fourth I'm find of Florida I know points you missed all the freeze you missed all the cold no well it was for Florida was not hot it was in the 60s and 70s that's comfortable no didn't really sit in the pool it was rainy but we had a good time I'm so sorry for you that's not part of my pres remarks um I want to bring us up today um the effort to begin food composting trial is now in the hands of the Canal Walk HOA board licensing turned out to be a non-issue because organic waste collection is exempt from licensing however uh you do need insurance and the the drivers of all these have car insurance but um the CFO that was here Anthony told me that they're now amending their license insurance to include liability which is what what they need to commit to Canal Walk So maybe uh by the next meeting or so they're going to start collecting food compost uh we already have over 15 people in the city want to do we haven't made a push yet so that's that's coming along um I want to can come and watch what can we come and watch well I don't know when they're going to come but I'll I'll put a notice that I want to mention also I found a little note hidden in a real estate magazine that that said Wind Trust bank origination of a $10.3 million in construction financing for bridge Logistics um properties for 76,2 30 ft industrial development at 485 Elizabeth Avenue I don't know what I I presume it's a warehouse but one they haven't done yet but they got the money to build it got another one oh there'll be more I'm sure um I went to the oh I want to thank Stan and Robin for organizing the viewing of Common Ground I did post it in the canal website which has about 900 something subscribers and he also sent it to suet run um Sterling Point and Renaissance I don't know what we'll get but I I did thank you thank you um oh also um you know we've had an effort to try and get public service to change the street lights to LEDs yeah sent a letter on behalf of the township to uh the BPU and I ended up getting a call from uh contractors from rers of who were reporting to the BPU so this afternoon I got an email from um Karen Lowry telling me the um the report that they P that they have compiled about changing the light is now sent to the BPU uh they sent that in December so we'll see see what happens with that uh they are moving along evidently so they we keep track but that was a over an hour on them with Ruckers somebody some consultant from morgon that was working for the Jersey so well those are things that I tried to cat catch up on um so that's my my report um approval of the minutes from January 6th which I've read but so move any changes or Corrections or modifications I think we just need a second a sec oh somebody's second can I second um I think soter did it first so yeah this is scribbled but I think you can Contin got this thank you so all favor of approval of the minutes all comment oh we can thr passes and alen have okay because I will not okay we're not do with that okay um public comment let's a motion to open the floor to public [Music] comment favor okay anybody from the floor make comment you you here first yeah uh sure um I just just from what you were saying about the LED switching to LED lights this past week I fell down a rabbit hole with dark sky International I don't know if you guys have heard of them um they're an or they're like a nonprofit organization that works to just sort of spread information about how we can be lighting better for like um to reduce light pollution and harm to any wildlife and um one thing that they recommend is using lights on like the warmer end of the spectrum so like all the way on the end of the spectrum would be like amber colored lights but there are kind of things in between that and the regular like white blue light sort of things so if we're looking into changing the lights maybe we can look into um changing the color too good idea I'll make one comment though the police like R white light because they can identify colors much better than they can with the blue light or amber light okay that's a serious consideration yeah I um I can't think of like something they have off hand but they might have sort of like an area of the spectrum where it kind of optimizes both so it's something I can look into for you guys the um the the the effort we're looking at we we want to change the lights if you LEDs and cut the wattage more than half and that's a big saving for the township yeah the public service has to get approval for a tariff that includes this and that's what now they okay and just to followup does that include like changing the actual light structure just like the bulb in the lights just just change the bulb in the light okay so I just wanted you kind of uh ate uh the topic that I wanted to bring later on because yes uh there was a actually a presentation on last Sun Friday Friday by uh nx/ SI Club um I watched the recording because I attended another the same theme uh event U because in uh State Theater they had U Orchestra with the music the theme of planets and there was a projection of everything and and they had Sierra Club they had a table with information about light pollution so um in addition to what Jenny said there is also important about uh the the shape of the lamp uh how the beam is adjusted right so if the light is going all around this is the worst uh then second uh wor is when you have something on top and the angle is like um still uh some upwards and and downwards if you have it flat you still have glare which is impacting labors because it's um uh it's interfering with uh with sleep because you have too much light uh and the wrong Spectrum the best is that when the angle is downwards so it's not just about changing the light bu but it's also changing the fixture so that uh the source of light is more recessed so that the light beam is downward so it's focused down when they change the focused but um it has to be downward when they go to LEDs they will change the fixtures it's the EAS it's the easiest way to do it I don't know how complicated it is but straightforward we do have like in town I was just driving around recently to see like kind of where we're at and in town the ones with LED they're they're lit correctly like the shape of it but they say sort of like that downwards 80° um and at the very least like when you're sort of looking Above Down it should be going up so like not into the sky um and I will say too just like to note that I've kind of noticed the biggest problems with that in like shopping centers like the one shopping center with like Planet Fitness that one their lights are really really bright um Stop and Shop that parking lot is actually pretty smartly lit so yeah to look around at night right and another thing is um the thing is perceived as a security feature uh but sometimes it's actually um not properly designed engineered so to speak because um uh sometimes the flood light will actually irradiate and not um not the perpetrator if you will um so uh this is important to make the engineering design right and also the light should be programed I know it's it's maybe high high ask but that during the high traffic hours so like let's say it in winter between 4:00 p.m. and uh 7 800 p.m. the intensity could be high but then during the actual night it could be dimmed because LED lights are dimable and they could be dimed between 10 and 100% so and 10% is a big deal you so variable yes yes so it can be programmed of course you in addition to dimming them you save money right because you save energy right yeah and and then the the temperature is important I was looking to the scale it should be less than 3,500 Kevin 3,500 is neutral I mean there so maybe 00 were the old incandescent mostly you're getting now into the threes but a lot of people I've been working with they're using 5,000 which is afternoon light right right so that that's not good yeah but if you go before that with too much blue then it dist starts everything yes exactly so the mo most warehouses most offices are 4,100 which is bright bright white and that's wrong I mean you realiz have been doing this for 50 years in lighting so you know better so what what number do you suggest depends on the application well for off 4100 fine that's cool but there's a shift to 5,000 but for outdoor outdoor lighting outdoor lighting for street lights yeah generally they've been doing stuff at at 4100 that'll work 5,000 is is is a bright light also but the fixtures are getting designed as you said with but L more leeway in the design with with LEDs so the the the engineers can you know do the the focusing and all that stuff and they also come a lot of an noway the the fixture is adjustable on site for the color you want well yes yes yes but um the other impact was the the health impact because the blue component of the light uh is interfering with production of melamine which is a sleep enzyme or a non enzy It's a sleep signal uh so uh it is better at night to have um the more towards the Red Spectrum as Jenny implied so maybe 3,000 Kelvin or less to me 2700 is kind of I want I want a little more than that as you get older you also want more color temperature you you want it brighter and that that I see that a lot you know so okay thank you you got you got a C information I think you have here on Old business composting but I haven't been here like a couple of meetings and I know what you just talked about right but where can I find out about this composting program well it hasn't started yet for what the I know just the the group that's doing this is called Taurus and there a bunch of high school and college kids that are going around and picking up 5 gallon cans of food waste and bringing them to a place in Trenton called Trenton biogas and Ellen and I and Dave devet from Canal Walk we did an audit we went down to to Trenton B Gas walk through the whole place had to see what they were doing and they decomposed the food waste Genera gas which Powers a general electric generator which feeds public service so uh and they bringing food waste from Maryland Philly and New York and you know but Maryland H Maryland yes no well they're down in Trenton that's cost effective I I don't know they charge it a tipping fee you you you're not getting paid to bring it there you got to pay to bring it there if you want to get an idea of um another way of looking at it is go back and look our minutes for the last I don't know 6 months or whenever the you know when whenever he started maybe in June he came here I don't remember Anthony W yeah they sent a he's a CFO right back in June I'm not sure exactly um but if you go back and look in the minutes you know he the the CF CFO is that CFO he came here and gave a presentation and then it's been discussed you know in you know at different meetings and see the notes from that we're looking at Canal Walk to be a pilot if that works then we'll look at the others you know I told Dave that I was signing up but I just saw yeah Dave Dave went with me to the to B Dave runs the group in Canal Walk called nature and the environment oh nice and they've been doing yes okay yeah and um they did they just did an electrification seminar and um about 50 60 people came besides the minutes Dave R sh he yeah has yeah it's a five gallon black hand with a rubberized seal top and Tom said we can put them in the on the patio behind the houses I'll talk to him then I just so Paul was there any instructions is there anything any kind of food in the waist stream that people cannot add cuz I meats and fat I don't like any meat yeah that's the two things I do compost from my school and I have to pick it up from very cultural science and take no from culinary arts on Wednesdays then take it to agricultur size and dump it because the kids can do it but um they told us not to no no protein no beef no cheese nothing really needs higher temperature longer cure times yeah I thought that only bones was problem well they said they they don't want a lot of meat but you know if you're doing chicken Bowlings and stuff that they don't want that and there's meat attached you know now if you're doing a steak that you throw away that's not good either so um good yeah very good the students you got anything you want to add okay um motion to close the Public Public all favor I um public oh correspondence I got one letter that I found in the mailbox um actually when I when I got back and it's from um a property at 161 Cedar Grove Lane they're asking the DP to get a letter of interpretation for Wetlands so somebody's planning to do something at 161 Cedar Grove Lane I don't know what it is but the um it just says fresh water certified mail it doesn't really say V CLE engineering and there's a little map that shows where it is Van CLE and what Van van CLE for the engineers oh oh oh I thought you come out the Street Van van vanle Engineering Associates it give you a map how big is the property what 507 we can't it's this one here what number did he say it was 507 I'm sorry maybe it should maybe 507 3813 okay um um I can tell you how big it is one second I'm just looking for the right uh where's oh here's 13 over here what you know I can't read that whates that say just a little one like you know I can't read that 5 what does it say 501 or five yeah under 13 well how much does it say acres oh no that's the degrees or that's the footage it's 7,000 ft right under here 13 see yeah oh sorry that's 14 what is that in a circle and people looking I know I can't see it I by Medford my magnify this is my new thing that I do I take a picture and then blow it up and then I blow it [Music] up let's see uh oh no nope well that's acreage visual acreages yes so what does it say under 133 for the acres oh for3 5.07 or 5.01 can't be that big that looks small well the one next to it is two point is yeah these are individual Lots there's a map over here it's over here you want me to look it up look up yeah have this for you recognize that oh yeah I know she was a student of M many many years ago we had people come to this nature environment show on electrification and one of the women that was there from the outside was one of Ted Chase's students oh my goodness remembers 161 151 on this side 161 161 oh here block 5073 38 L 13 got it okay here we go uh so it is oh five you were right I shouldn't have doubted you 5.0 Acres yep five acres you were right can you show us where on Cedar Grove Lane uh yeah so here opposite W yeah so let okay so this is Cedar Grove right here post L let let's scroll out okay this is New Brunswick Road over here just aware yep will oav is back here for other reference magically next door to Bob Thomas is Bob Thomas is that a wooden lot at this point looks like the zoning board is all yeah completely wooded it's all trees yeah what do they want um let me look at this I didn't get this one but let me just look they are it's from Awakening Dawn I feel like we've had them before as a Awakening Dawn is it so they're doing some type of let me look and see what it is exactly but they're doing some type of construction that they're looking for the wetlands letter of interpretation yeah they haven't done anything yet they have to do right looking to understand where the wetlands boundary is they hav an application Frank me they have some idea that I just looked at for the um site plan review that was proposing no okay no that's something else up by The Awakening Dawn they did put an application in back in 2022 years 21 here that's I missed that part okay hold on I got to look here and get it now uh site plan review and Awakening Dawn right that's what it says yeah you got to read every little word on these things okay you go uh let's look at the review itself and see okay so they are seeking approval for a minor subdivision creating total of three lots the existing single family dwelling will remain with no changes to the access or utilities the applicant proposes to build a single family dwelling one on each of the new two lots with a shared driveway utilities to serve the two new single family homes will be connected to existing lines along Cedar Grove Lane let's see how many trees they said they were going to do tree replacement plan proposed 45 of required 88 trees will be replanted on site with the remainder being satisfied via contribution to the shade tree fund so they're required to plant 88 new trees 146 trees proposed for removal they already they already did no they I don't think they no they have not done it yet um the the AR trees when you so to build when you're building a new home if there's Wetlands on the site you have to get a letter of interpretation from D or you have to have your engineer do it to basically show that where you're buildings not impacting any freshwater Wetland so that's what they're basically asking D for is this interpretation letter and whenever that happens the township that it's in gets copied on it so that's why we have it okay but yeah that's we don't have it yet no okay so that's that's the only correspondence I have I don't know if anybody else I don't have any correspondence no okay so then we go with site plans and I know you wanted to let easy go first yeah I figured easy you want to go first can we start with I'm going to tell you which one I have up on the map because and then we'll move from there so this is the Hamilton Street management I think this one um where's your review Hamilton Street management yes is that okay if we do that one yeah I'm doing two right there are two of them today uh yes the first one you're going to do is Hamilton Street management this is a resubmittal and I just have it up on the screen so you know so this is Hamilton Street right here and this is Bayer a I'll zoom out a little more it's these nine Lots right here we're talking about should I give you another point of reference very crowded area the lot is very small I I went there these both properties I tropical supermarket just for another point of reference that's the the Hamilton Street Crossroad right there yeah so this is the property these nine Lots all right e go ahead can you go back let's look at the plan let's look at my notes yes scroll down please in the red yeah the first yeah so that in the points above just just a little a bit above yeah so they're trying to build a three-story mixed building just is reminding everybody um the lower level is supposed to be commercial and then top two floors are supposed to be residential units six one-bedroom apartments 12 two-bedroom apartments uh 38 parking spaces with six of them to be with EV uh EV based uh they want to do some Landscaping some lightning some water management right most of the area is impervious um the they have met with the tech review in 2023 it was not attached to the application so I could not review that so they're asking for a C1 C2 variance I believe uh can you scroll down mhm yeah they asking for a C1 C2 they're asking for additional eight spaces in the setback area uh I did visit the setback area it's very compact I have no clue how they're going to make eight spaces irrespectively that's what they're asking for they're asking for no Landscaping no buffer requirements certain areas and again literally there's no place to do all of that uh can we go down to my my notes in the last page absolutely yeah and this is a resubmittal just so everyone knows this is a resubmittal easy reviewed at last time and I'll show you my recommendations I've check mark what they what are the differences versus the previous so there is not much of a difference and you see there is not much much so what they what they've only done is they've done some work on the three replacement but apart from that they haven't answered most of the questions so they're still asking for the eight spots they're not reconsidering not putting they give a justification in one of their comments I recollect that the new tenants or the new people going to move in are likely not going to come with the car so my question my my response was since they not going to come with the car why do you need the eight spots but they Justified that right so they still are asking for the eight uh spots in the setback area um nine trees were not accounted for and they have Justified that they have now proposed few more Tres they've unfulfilled three of the nine so they've done putting six more which is better than notp putting anything um the anti uh the an anti-idling signs which were not there is now on the new application so that's considered and nothing to they not talked about the solar roof for green roof Freddy which I recommended so two of the four theyve sort of addressed um I don't know whether we need to we should still give them you know as a response that we need them to consider solar ready panel uh Roofing and uh I would still put the parking again Tara but really you need eight I I have a I have a gen concern how they're going to put eight in that spot I really don't know how they're going to put eight parking spots it's same comments as it relates to the park very narrow spots I have no CL so same comment as comment same comment as it relates to the solar ready roof and then did they they didn't give you a list of the changes they made right don't give that so just dig in to the pl and they've been ired to that's part of there something want to talk about whether should we should we draft a template requirement this is how you I do I put it now since so that one meeting I put it as the last blurb in all of our letters but very few people actually do it yeah so that would be very helpful I'll put it in again Mark Healey asks for he does he is the same blur that we use like we came up with it together so but it's interesting not many people actually submit it so the the list of you know what changes did you make yeah mhm yeah yeah can you go back to the diagram of the the footprint of the site I think page two or three yeah y okay so that's the whole property there and the pink is where the building's going to be yeah is parking the buildings are going to be here on the side where's the building's going to be so these parts you can can you blow it up a little bit it's moving the picture I'm like oh the picture's moving uh okay that's you know that's where the this is the retail space here this is retail space as well top of each behind that the pink area is the parking spaceace impervious surface is that impervious parking the whole lot is 90% impervious well I know that's what I'm asking because you said earlier that it was 85% imper I'm looking at that saying unless that parking lot is impervious then how do they get 85% imp it's right at the periphery cuz I remember my memory servs right you go around the property it's a little spot which is green behind little spot there's a tree or two there there few trees over there that's very little that's how they account I believe I have no clue how they've calculated 85 but there's a little spot where it is green and I think that's you're trying to cut down the treats there too you mean 85 is imp imp 15 is want I ask for more impervious where they going to get it on the parking spots maybe what's the um required forious uh for impervious this is in let's see um do you remember what zone this is in [Music] Easy Street hbd okay let me look and see what the impervious is I got to get to my uh okay bear with me zoning all right all right hbd impervious coverage is maximum88 85 they're a lot 85% so they're right on the dot yep you're right they brought it right there this it's a urban area really yeah there just no there is no green space of any account so we can ask that the parking spaces if they're if possible use the perious pavement you know see but if they going to have trucks coming in the back to make the deliveries they'll rip up the perious only in the passenger parking areas we can ask for the pervious yeah show the map yeah go go back to the map I think it's shared with the deliveries are most likely going to come into the back is the building going to come conrete slab or they going to have anything like a well if you want to have it perious then you cannot have this is another application oh this is the other one I'm sorry this is your other one okay buildings probably must be concrete but slap yeah so there's going to be no storage or you got to walkway but nothing at the bottom that must be the the prvious that that boundary between the building and the parking lot that's the previous point so where is the garbage for the truck well this point here looks like there is a um a scale that def finds it I don't think they would have the trucks come in off of be would they there's no TR come over there they'd have to come in off of Hamilton yeah well North over that's the entrance to the parking lot yeah right there and where the two entrances to the they have two entrances one here this is entry and exit but this this area along here and that area along the top that might be the the dumpsters look at the right hand Edge there yeah bicycle this is a bicycle enclosure looks like proposed bicycle parking and those are the E stations the see um I was trash and there a laundry area let's see if they're over here look that corner there at the right which is actually a an unbuilt wooded lot mhm and they should and they're not proposing to build on it they should keep all the trees that are there it's the one bit like that on all Hamilton Street got it that's a good good one uh I don't know if they show where their dumpsters are here I'm not they show where storm drains are uh on another page of the plan I'm sure move down a little beun off and it's going to be contaminated come down further further right keep going now one say trash trash is ref this says trash room that's a that's a trash room yeah there a room and packages packages yeah and and like a Lobby the lobby is pretty big you cannot have garbage dumpsters in the front no no that's not where the dumpsters are going to be that's like where their trash collection is for their building and then I guess they'll go out to the trash there's a there's something here like a pad here I mean we could go look at the other plant say youtility thank you this is a shed up here but that's not part of the property yeah this might be it that looks cuz there's one here and there's also there was another one of those I oh one here see one those are it's kind of they have to walk it's by the road almost H where is the road those I think are trees those aren't that's not it yeah my heart trees do you um do you want me to go and look at another page of the plan or do you have a specific question about the Dum one more was about the placement of charging stations before you go away because as we discussed we want to always recommend that they space them out mhm absolutely I don't see where they are here there are too many there are supposed to be six of them if I look into the squares that's that's not it because many more squares uh so I think they will be clustered I would think so I think I have this one already open I don't want to open it again if I do like uh oh here we go is this it yeah because this is a big one and it takes like up okay let's see what is this one sorry this is a large plan so it's kind of taking up a lot ruce it come on it takes a while to open this is a big one and it has a bunch these little um comments that were put in by like the engineer it's like how they drew it is still on there which is crazy yeah you don't even know which page you want yeah it takes a long time to open it really does okay let's try it again well if you want to open the same file okay oh now we're looking for the EV stations right okay hang on I want to see if I can find the correct page uh should be the general site plan then I saw the laundry wait yeah it takes a while to open sorry it's like taking on quite a while the print out would be better right in this case yeah the large one too many comments that's the reason why it's taking a long look sometimes um we get submitted plans if the comments are still in them for it takes that's the problem it's like the on each page is there a specific so just is there like a very specific question you have related to it only because we have like six more site plans to do so we can wait for it to open or we can come back to it if if for the for the charging stations uh I would just make the comment because I I don't think they were they are spaced out so we don't need to see them is there requirement for on a residential for Ev stations no it is added the the what is required is parking yeah what is required is six so they have the check right but our our comment is space them out do not cluster them together makes it easier if they want to add more right it's easier to move the port versus move the car because today the etiquette is that when you are charged you're not supposed to move the vehicle which many people find inconvenient so if you have charging port and you you it's surrounded by three or four parking spots and the court can reach all of them then all that you need is just unplug and replug and you don't need to move the car well I thought it was also because if you have space EV space EV space and a regular and all you know 5 years from now they need more EV spaces it's easier to hook this one up in the middle you still need to increase capacity but but it's actually better to share the because it it has also implication stabilization because if if you have eventually let's say in the distant future when everybody drives a l chair today is hard to imagine right but you know imagine that it would be the case and you have each spot filled with charging station and everybody will plug it at the same time you will get a huge Spike and then of course those stations that are network so they will be all derated so everybody will be charging slowly so that in aggregate it's not too fast but then why do you need so many nozzles if you derating it's it's better just full power here unpl full power there unpl and full power there right they're all clustered just so you know them right here all six of them are right here we thought that before so you want them spaced out around the lot yep so they're all clustered one two I mean ideally um two blank one charg ing two blank One charging but if this is too hard to comprehend they can just alternate you know maybe we should put that in our standard statement I we did it aling we did put it yeah alternate it um stages okay that works we can do that all right uh is that all your comments on that one easy okay let's get rid of that cuz all right and the other one you did two right okay done right you did and done okay the other one easy did was OD and done this is a resubmittal this is on Cedar Grove Lane it's this huge property 16 16 and2 square acres they're going to demolish like nine you know nine of it to put like 14 houses I think 14 single units yes so we did this so there there's again a C1 C2 variance and again I want to go back uh if you can go scroll at the bottom please I hope I have the my comments at the bottom yeah and I'll come back to this page a little later okay let me know when you yeah right at the bottom at the recommendations yeah so my recommendations were tree replacement should be revised see they can plant more trees yes they have done it uh and again they they've accomplished one and two uh construction they talk they give give they give a traffic report which sort of says is not going to be a infected and all of that but it doesn't answer my question directly and green roof they have not again answered that question and led street lights yes they have made a provision they've changed everything to LED so can we go back to page four just want to show which is nice they they've worked on improving the number of trees they didn't they didn't cut back on how many houses there going no it still remains everything El you want the numbers or you want this so can I can you scroll up a little bit let me see if this is the old or the new numbers yeah so this is the old numbers they in the my text my red text text okay yeah so this is what right there the 26 to 2,623 they were trying to cut down 2400 of them blah blah blah so can you go down scroll down the next page this is the new proposal okay 26223 now they're cutting down less less right and they're supposed to replace 274 but now they're replacing 1109 which is a great number and they're going to contribute 9 165 to the I think to the commission can you scroll down a little bit I think I have another little note yeah so they're going to now Tre is not going to be removed at 252 they're going to replace 775 which is a better number than previously uh apart from that they have sort of they have responded to most of it um I know you said you wanted to reduce the plot but I don't think we recommended that in the last you wanted to we wanted to decrease one of the plots right I don't well we were talking about um we were talking about recommending making the cold the sack shorter and reducing it by two houses at the end so you didn't have to cut down as many trees at the end there so there's a buffer between that and the property behind it as well you want to have less trees taken down plus the buffer okay but they're good I think they're good okay all right so we uh let's look so you said tree replacement okay you did that all right yeah all right check check so the only thing left is ensure that construction happens during office hour report they give a traffic report which says it's not going to be affected see the gr Lane we know it's heavy traffic area so so the real big thing is the green roof yeah okay so on that there was there was 965 trees that they have they're going to be paying into the into the fund almost $3,000 this nice yeah okay all right everybody good with this one that's that's the um it's close to the resta uh gas station right there the street from there right yeah what's the address there uh this is 295 Cedar Grove there's a big development going on on Ceder Grove also yeah huge mhm I mean across the street no down Cedar Grove from the intersection on the right hand side you're going toward Eastern yeah yeah past just past resters yeah but you make the turn and get down on seat of Grove it's 32 houses 34 I think this is the old axle Rod property they raised rabbits for I think for pharmaceutical use all right so all go with that one yes sure okay Ted you want to move to yours no all right so Ted also had a resubmittal I can leave your notes up here if you want I know but I don't know if you yeah would get to the you put the plan up or you want me to put the map up what's yeah I didn't read do the GLC is this a planning board one or is this zoning board I can't remember uh this is planning board planning why is it not up here yeah this is the corner of Davidson and New Brunswick Road the west side of Davidson I want to put up um two buildings a smaller purely retail building it's a thousand or so square fet and a somewhat larger building I think it's 2600 Square ft something like that that would be partly retail and partly offices is even on the ground level and offices above that would be twostory the smaller retail building would be one story and one thing that hit me and this is not our field really but there was in the larger building there's only for the office part there's only one door at the North or Northeast end and for fire safety they ought to have another door at the other end of the building by the stairs that's that's in my comments they have uh two pairs of charging ports one is right in at the front of the small retail building I don't think it would be should be there because that's where you would have the in andout traffic I think the the other pair are way to the rear at the North corner of the lot as appropriate if uh people working at the site charge during the day I would suggest that the other one be at a more medium uh use area got it the the variance requested is for shortage of parking spaces and they just couldn't get any more parking spaces on this and I will bet that they will never be all be used right yeah I don't know that we can do anything about that okay let's see that uh I'm trying they still do not propose they ought to be planting a row of Evergreens along the north easterly Bounder because that's next to I think there's a house on the lot next to it so there really ought to be a buffer there okay and I think they were told that before I think they were um see I think those were my oh yeah the other thing was this isn't it Muslim Foundation no oh this is Muslim Foundation oh I was still talking about the oh I'm sorry you were talking about mph yeah oh my bad okay I'm sorry I thought we're talking about Muslim Foundation all right hang on NPH is coming up we had a lot this time a lot the West part of of the property slopes down to a stream and it's all wooded it's a stream buffer so they're not doing anything with it but they plant some trees trees on that side the right next to what's wooded anyway got it I they should put the effort into the buffer along the more Northerly side of of the lot uh and all right hang on I'm sorry I'm just trying to get this exactly right up on the map here MP is 390 Davidson a okay all right we're back um right on the corner this is still Muslim Foundation okay here we go all right sorry let's get there okay all right now here we go I'm sorry Ted okay so try to see if they put scroll down again oh yeah I see you're up in the pictures yeah I figured I would just show you there you got it the yellow one there we go this is what we're talking about yeah okay and you can see that to the northwest is is all wooded that because that so this is New Brunswick Road just everyone knows this is Davidson Davidson out right here so Davidson just to the left and onx and let me get the plan up here okay now we're now we're okay you can see the smaller building the larger building you can see that the back side of the larger building with and I don't think there's even parking on that side it's right up against the stream buffer so why oh yeah that's well it's was nice to plant trees but the effort should be in a bucker along this is the stream Corridor line here line of Evergreens along the upper Edge there oh they're right against the limit of the drcc yeah huh okay you can see all right I think that that about cover is it best I can remember okay well you can look in my comments absolutely anything else but I have to remember to bring these things up in the the planning board meeting do you want me to start copying you I can copy when I send the draft me when I send the memos to Christine I could copy you on I usually get into more detail okay so okay all right but you you probably want to stress the buffer and possibly mention the location of the um charging stations that I got I got that note all right so that's NPH oh and they don't show any um anti-idling signs and they should be putting in anti-idling signs I don't think they need to do them every third parking space but at least in the vehicle entrances to the property and all of the entrances to the buildings I think is where they they should have and idling Got It Well by the time they person gets to the entrance to the building if they've left the car idling they probably won't go back and it all right all right NPH okay now we're going to Muslim Foundation Foundation this is really minor and almost technical this was a resubmit as well right yeah okay I no I don't think it is uh now what they're doing here is purchased the they're purchasing the rear rear 34s of the property just to the north up at the top so this this only shows the existing U part and there's a provision somewhere in the zoning ordinance houses of worship being um conditional uses so any variance has to go to the zoning board it's not just for the planning board there's something about buffering uh particularly school buildings and what they're worrying about is at the top of the you can see that this is being subdivided that's the other thing as a subdivision application at the top of the big thing there there there is some trees and so forth they're planting Norway spruce in some gaps but they're not doing as full of buffer as the ordinance requires and after all it's a long ways from the school building right and interesting ly the plans don't show any buffering being put in at the left hand side of either plot although there is shown a narrow strip of Woodland on the just off their property which is probably at the rear of houses in World Worlds Fair Drive so one would think that they should have buffering there okay all right and that's really that's the that was really it nothing that's it okay and was that the only those were the two that you had right those were your two or did you have one more okay that anybody have any comments or questions Paul has has some too yeah I've got three all right let me turn thank you Ted we get rid of this so we are at the right spot okay Paul why don't you pull up the uh the the the big one um which one did um Executive Drive uh IDI Logistics ID logist okay got it okay U I went through this this application and I can't tell what's been changed but what I did this time that I didn't find last time is I didn't find the tree replacement and there these are just to set the the scene these are three Office Buildings uh four stories that are entirely vacant when you go down Eastern Avenue and you want to make the turn to Davidson on the corner is the Ukrainian church and as you go up the hill a little bit before you get to the bridge that goes over 2 87 there's a a line that says Executive Drive you make the right turn and there are three empty four-story Office Buildings completely empty there's nothing else around it um back I drove through um back of of two of them you look over in the distance and there's a cemetery that's part of Ukrainian complex um so there um there we we did this I think December there is a little Brook there is a little Brook in Brook in the back yeah I have it up on the screen so here's 287 yeah this is Davidson over here yeah Executive Drive and this is the Brooke over here so Brooke executive 287 is down here and then this is uh Davidson this is the the the proposed plan this not that's not the existing huge the overall site plan just for reference this is huge CU there were three three buildings they want to level and build warehousing um and what it looked like to me is uh change that they're putting in a lot of trees much much more trees than they're taking out that's good I did the I did the calculations and I think they taken out like 58 trees it stated and they're putting in 88 uh Hol 60 red cedar 83 Spruce 80 white pine 24 Red Bud uh 25 sugar Maples 10 Black Gum 25 white white something White Oak so and only taking out 50 something trees so there's um that that's a good thing I did not see any reference to solar and I think this would be a prime place to put requirement yeah soly the the statute says it should be sold already yes but I think we can suggest that they do it and save money we always suggest that's why I put it mandatory um I think as I remember there was some there was some no idling signs yes you said that they were there yeah they were there and uh there was EV too I think yes should have 4% yeah yeah that's the calculation we made before so again like some of the others I I it took a couple hours to go to I couldn't figure out exactly what they had added other than I did find you know I did find the tree replacement poras this time the first time I don't think we found it yes I think that's what was missing last time subm so so it's in here yeah okay good and I would say I couldn't tell what the changes had been in the yeah they they need to submit that or or we get if we get the TRC report it goes line by line and says what they're doing and what they what responses were yeah we we certainly um had also comments for these developments uh to have uh enough fast charging ready in case that uh not in case when the that yeah when the electric trucks will come so so that's above and beyond what is same thing with saying put solar on the roof it's 212,000 Square ft certainly requires Sol solar ready uh you could if if Amazon is any judge you could put $60,000 feet square feet of solar because Amazon has 85% of the roof covered with solar you got to leave room for walkways and servicing and all that stuff okay so you don't get the full 100% all right this is the exit from this site will be exiting onto Davidson yeah yeah I don't know if this is really something of ours but can we it's been that's the driveway it says Executive Drive you move in there and can we have something in there that says right hand turn only out of the um no because if they're going to go they don't want to go left if they they want to get on 287 Oh I thought it was on the other side no it's on side oh okay so left hand I thought it was on the other side okay you got make a left and then you e if you're going north or south yeah but I think speaking of location I I think it's probably a good location for that's what exact if I if you're going to do it that's a place to put it you bound it by 287 in the cemetery you know they're not going to complain hotel maybe on the other side never know never know to resp you have any old building it looked as the picture architectural drawings of the the 1800s at least the mixed use building it looked as if it was all glass walls and I'm concerned about about keeping it warm in Winter and particularly cool in summer and they should at the very least have a white painted roof okay got it all right again that's in the comments I okay okay all right now let's do this one is easy this one is the one I have up here is Manu  which one was that the first that's the the shed or the or the bedroom I think that's the bedroom that's a residential let me check I don't know uh these two are the next two are residential this one is yes we're adding an in-law suite to our first floor which will include a bedroom on Suite bathroom and a sitting room yeah they um they want to make a a room for their parents to come live with them it's a proposed addition of 650 Square ft right uh the impervious coverage is where they're going to exceed so they would have 33.34% imp perious coverage and the zoning limit is 30% right so this is the architectural plans this sounds familiar it does doesn't it but it's not but but it does sound familiar this is the architectural PL here it it sounds like one in the Norville section of griggstown but there they were building a whole house whoever right so this is the existing the existing the existing and this would be the new part up here so the new bathroom new bedroom salarium salarium so they're going to be exceeding the impervious coverage limit by 3.34% did you have any comments on it Paul I just said it looked like it you know it's not a big change um if you went straight across that would move the doorway to to facing the bed and they wanted offset a little bit that's where maybe a percent or two is right there with the the out out push of the the back wall right you know are we recommending um solar in case uh you know if it's not a blocked area where the sun is good for we could do that yeah it is a p a pitch roof yeah they're asking to go over the impervious so yeah so as a concession yeah and so it'll save a money y okay that's that one okay and you had one last one right that one's sort of not funny but what they want to do on this other one is it Schneider is the one uh or Fernandez it's no I don't think it's either one hold on let me look and see which one it's called Uh Paul I yeah Schneider Schneider okay what they want to do is they want to put a slab in their backyard and and put a garage on top of it because they've got an antique car and the insurance company says it's got to be in a garage so they have to build a garage to keep the antique car it's it must be worth the money and so they they will increase their this what they want to put huh this is what they want to put yeah yeah okay I don't know how they're going to get the car in I don't think that the door is going to be on the end not on the S go bring it down there that's it something it's one of those this one a frame yeah 12 by 24 12 by 24 that was the number what I think I want to ride you want to ride there you go I don't know it didn't mention the you know what's the reason though is it the reason is the insurance company says in order to ensure to be in compliance with the insurance policy it has to be housed in a garage it can't be the reason what do they need a variance I didn't hear what you said um so they don't have garage they're very application that this all it says let's see uh that but what's the I want to see what the prop are they too close to a uh to a property line I don't know I'm not sure let me it didn't it didn't list anything it just said go yeah oh Emerson Emerson Road so that's storage struct Kush going it's going to frame storage sh [Music] no yeah it's got to be a side yard why don't they say what the heck it is that easier it's a very sparse application residential it's got to be related to the side yard yeah because why else would it be um nothing's checked plastic requires kept in order okay fine that's not the reason you're applying to us placing 8T okay yeah it's a sidey yard so they're only going to be 8T from the property line now where what zone are these guys in do you remember off the top of your head Paul no do they do they disclose what is in their existing garage now because all those residents on Emerson they do have garages no yeah but they probably are using I bet they probably want to use their garage for like their storage they talking about puttings that they really use the cars they use yeah yeah the car uses in one R R2 does R2 R20 they're supposed to have a set back of I have two 20 years 15 garbage so they're supposed to be 15 ft from the side yard and they're going to be eight actually garden shed accessory building so no it's not really a garden shed accessory building so yeah 15 ft they're supposed to be from the side yard they're going to be eight so they going to ask for for that seven 7 feet less than required well it's really you know the the neighbors are again you know he made the he did make the Assumption in here they statement that the neighbors all agreed so he what's got to get that in writing from them of course that he's got to show that to the planning board did they take them out to dinner what what is the address 48 okay it was a very simple application there's no information on it I now yeah I hear you 48 Emerson okay um does anyone have any so well you didn't have any comments on that I'm assuming no no comment uh let's see here interesting very countryfied it is yeah they have a big front yard there is a single car garage and a vehicle on driveway on the satellite on the street of you that's must be American living understand this is it here yeah it's a pickup trick I think it as the rear goes down into the only thing missing is the American flag stream Corridor that you know drops like a stone oh really oh it is actually the what what what is that seen the one that goes from um uh the M the and then it goes all back out to deont on each end here's deont and yeah it comes so this is a it's each end each end exits and entrances on yeah it comes back out to deont yeah there is a stream C of there although it's above the area that I require I know when I about my first year on the zoning board there was a proposal to put [Music] in a number of pro probably town houses way up there and visit and I visited the site and spoke with people living approximately where this house is oh wow okay ago any more comments no that's it finally that is it for that completes the site reviews will'll be the new business and um recertification is due this year yes so I've been working on our spreadsheet so um it's not I'm not going to share it just yet so basically what I did was I went through sustainable Jersey came up with a a new spreadsheet for tracking this time I went through and used it I think the spreadsheet we're using previously is going to be a little easier for the people that actually have to work on it so I'm putting everything into the spreadsheet but just to kind of show you this is our spreadsheet that shows what we worked on last time um and then I'm basically taking that and putting it into this spreadsheet which shows what are we planning on submitting for next year what are the prerequisites what do we have to submit who's the person that's going to be responsible for it so basically as I finish this spreadsheet and well as I finish the spreadsheet and I have it done I'm then going to schedule the green team meeting and kind of say like everyone look at this if there's something I missed please let me know if not you're going to be assigned to this you're going to be assigned to that um the first submitt that you don't you know you can get for feedback is May 16th so we have a little bit of time but it goes fast so um it goes really fast yeah so we're putting together this spreadsheet now and um yeah I'm trying to get it so that it's as userfriendly as possible it's the same spreadsheet I used last time and I think it went pretty well we were able to get it done relatively efficiently the other good thing is that you can keep notes in it um so uh I'm making it into a Google sheet so this way everyone can add and you I can basically see if someone has a problem and says oh my gosh I couldn't find this or I finished it then we can do that every uh Green Team Member have access to yes y did you make a note for Mike Burke I did yes I responded to him re but but uh an Marie should receive update for his contact information yeah he wrote to her and copied me that that was you know what his correct email address was so yeah you I just today I did my oath of office for them and I noticed there was then one there for Mike Burke yeah I I put mine in already I got sworn in I got sworn in the other day I put the chairman the commission member and the green team do three different sheets the easiest way to go ahead and do it is to do this inventory see what we have and then this way if we're low on points or cuz we have to submit 350 points to get our silver certification again uh the spreadsheet really helps us see how close we are we do not want to submit just 350 points because they always turn down at least a few always always always so I think last time we submitted like 400 points and we got like 360 they're very careful about what they take and what they don't take do do some of these like we're going to do Wednesday does that count toward the the yes well so that count that's going to probably count for the next round because everything that we're submitting for this time it end end December 3st yeah but we we still have enough film showing some of those year yeah so that is that so we're moving on it's just you know okay organizing at this point did you just say that we get the points for the films we do yeah okay how many does it make you have to have at least three films to get 10 points yeah so we're there we have oh yeah yeah we're definitely you doing in the library you all counted yes but the good thing is once I can submit this finalized spreadsheet to the whole Green Team a lot of times people will be like oh we did something like this would discount and then it's then we realize like oh we can submit for that we can so it really helps um so some of the actions that we have taken we we cannot get the points again right some of them expire uh some of them are only around so for example one is our energy Audits and we got a lot of points for that we got 30 points for that in the previous years it that expired so we can't re we they don't count anymore we have to do new energy audits for example um there's a few that just you know you have to for example if we submitted for a plan if it's not updated that doesn't count however there's things we added in that we didn't submit for last time like the local he um Health assessment that counts for a ton of points that counts for over 30 points so that um we're submitting the community energy plan we're submitting for so we've kind of replaced y m will the food contesting thing help for next time it would once it's like up and running because it's not up and running it's you know but we're moving on it getting there we do we have any opportunities for Ev ready anyone no e friendly e friendly yes that we can submit for and I think we can get more last time we submitted just for Ev having EV but that we can submit as an actual certification program so that we can submit for as well y you mean what was not submitted yet so last time we submitted we were able to submit for our EV charge in stations that we had at the parks and like certain ones like that this time because we got the eval certification there's another action under sustainable Jersey that if you were recognized for Ev by another organization you can submit for that so that's good yeah so we can submit for that so there's a lot of things that come in that we can replace you know uh do we have the first responder training so the first responder training I don't think we met the criteria last time to submit for it I don't know if we met at this time either cuz I know you sent out I remember having that they didn't want to attend because they would have to pay firefighters extra um right salary because it was after hours but we we cannot make this event after I mean during business hours because we are volunteers we are working during those hours but I tell you that easy ride the TMA where I'm working on we are just launching this as a program for the counties that are part of easy easy ride which you know is not sumerset but um we will have uh this as opportunity for the fire fire engines to have presentation and the workshop for them um so John house is on our committee and that's who we're were trying to work with last time so we can definitely bring it up to him again but if we do it now it's going to be for the next time I don't think we'll make it in time for this submitt all what is the deadline again um technically I think all the actions are supposed to be completed by the end of 2024 oh yeah so they only no they because they recognize everybody at the luncheon at the league of municipalities the the actions mostly need to be completed by September of 2025 yeah I we might there is a category that you can submit even later you don't get recognized at the luncheon but we know that there is deadline we should be actively developing action not now and it's already pass due what if we don't have enough what if you don't have enough points we do have enough points you know it of course I know know it what do you think I do for a living um I'm not responsible though for working with the fire responders and stuff like that that's definitely not me so if someone wants to do I think you were working with them last time then you should do that in advance but I mean you're welcome to work with John house on it for sure I think last time he wasn't not that he wasn't open to it but he was it was not like fitting in their schedule or whatever so as I mentioned you know they want to have it during the paid hours right yeah and I just don't know how I do it I don't know they would have to pay us seriously and I hate to do that I know I hear you because then now so the the next item is the film screening on Wednesday and as I told Mar I've got the tablecloth I've got stretches out I've got some of the literature whatever I had at the the one that you did I'll bring the box in the car and whatever we can use not take it back save this also here this box you can take with you too so this is um it's like these led like Night Lights we got them as part of that Grant we received from sustainable Jersey so we can use it for giving away at you know anything any of our events so you can take it and give them away that was part of our grant that we got so I left the box here I can help you put it in there there's one plugged in there it's nice actually yeah so y so you can take that too no just just empty box oh there's there's one well someone else must have taken one go look in there there's definitely more yeah they sent us a bunch so so the film screening starts at 7 we were contemplating to have popcorn or something but it just never I talked to step doll the recreation director about it right after our last meeting they didn't have a popcorn machine yeah they didn't have a popcorn popcorn machine they usually rent one I guess but our budget's not in place these are the kind of things that Walter and I were giv out at Franklin day when we hads we were handing them out to people and cases of them so you can give those away this is if we have any left uh it's great that you ask uh did you ask by phone or by email email because I was separately asking Janet and I copied you I saw yeah when I was sitting at the meeting and like when we that's when I emailed Stephen right while we were sitting here but you copied me I wouldn't know that yeah yeah I thought I I'm pretty sure I thought I said it at our last meeting but I'm not maybe I didn't I but there's no popcorn machine so yeah no popcorn p y o p o p we can I mean there's other things we can do we could buy popcorn I guess if you wanted but well somebody would have to cover it right right I mean we you can get reimbursed but that you know take half a l there also the issue of um having to clean up what ends up on the floor that's the thing they would complain about the on the carpet yeah I would collect those few no I'm talking about popcorn that ends up on the floor and stuff like that that could be comp it's not waterproof you're not supposed to use it that that would not be my barrier thanks easy have a good one BR all right pretty sure did Robin Robin will yes she will come okay yes Robin's coming uh you have everything you need to bring you can bring these Robin will be moderate we will have three speakers and all of them they practice regenerative agriculture which I think is just awesome in New Jersey in New Jersey so guar so I I'm going to try to get there at 6:30 does that work for you guys is that enough time yes yes and then Senor Center in the back yes in the back in the big room yeah yeah and I have downloaded the film to my hard drive so we don't need internet but I want to make one more visit there making sure that I know where to plug it and how to get up because I don't like those surprises okay is there any committee reports from are we done with we know actually I have some I was about to say like 2,000 bad news or whatever is the number of executive orders yeah um but um uh new bronek environmental commission formally is joining our April 12th team cleanup okay okay um the chair answer love also said she will come for the film screening what's her name swl and swl interesting I'm guessing that I'm pronouncing correctly but when I when I was in the fourth grade one of my friends was SW the grandfather something maybe yeah I'm actually starting with neutral or rather positive news because I'm reading it as I was typing it um Robin she mentioned um and and Paul uh made comment that we should um consider drafting ordinance to mandate solar photovoltaic on on every new commercial box building M um um it was circulated through um small group of people emails and uh yes uh we need to then um whatever we draft give it to the um attorney and uh so that they can kind of Polish it but apparently we are not precluded from making a stricter I'm talking about the solar uh mandate on on box buildings uh commercial so so it would be nice if we can come up with something and you know like we just went through a site proposal for uh for the warehouse and you know today we just tell them that it's it's we recommend them that's all but if you can say hey now in this Township if you want to do it it's mandated you know it's much stronger claim and so but I do not have any specific uh we have to work on that we get some draft language um and then uh so the bad news is that BPU will not be will not proceed with the award in New Jersey's forth offshore wind solicitation um because there were three initial biders in the fourth solic citation however two biders withdrew and only only Atlantic shes submitted a best and final offer whatever means best right um and then the commissioner G sovi right she continued a number of reasons led to this decision notably shell backing out as an equity partner in the Atlantic Shores project they backed out in November actually so it's like you know you get the elections even before he becomes the president with the first executive order people are already adjusting yes right because Shell Oil company started being a little bit more environmentally focused and they would sponsor environmental energy projects but once they seen the results of election they said okay no and they will go back to oil so um so is Atlantic Shores continuing or are they backing up backing [Music] up feel afraid to add something I'm only reading what I read from the BPU announcement which I forwarded to which you received anyway um um yeah I mean that's where Crystal puit works just so folks know I remember she went there yeah so ultimately you know I I'm disappointed by the decision for the Board of Public ities to not do a higher bid price because you know these offshore wind projects there's a lot of supply chain as we all know inflation and they're becoming harder to sort of make the uh the books balance so they they're for-profit corporations they need to make a little money like all the energy that we're using companies make money from it um and I think essentially by not granting them this higher price the project dies and with it the jobs that would have been in New Jersey which are good union jobs the cleaner air that we would have gotten the energy Independence and you know better health for us and of course combating climate change are gone and sort of out the window with Trump it's unlikely that any wind will be moving forward now for the next four years this is the only approved project so um yeah yeah so you know it's it's a it's a challenge I think it's going to be a challenge um I've expressed my dis appointment to the governor personally and you know put out a statement related to that on my day job so that's what I'm referring to right now not on my Council position but it has a HomeTown feel that Crystal works there and clean energy projects are great because they displace fossil fuel which is polluting our air and nearly every County in New Jersey has failing Health Brands American Lung Association and adding into that I got a text two days ago that you remember energy Justice from unjustice 40 yeah from the Department of energy all the equity team is on admin administrative leave this include the staff from the lowincome bonus program for solar and other renewable energies the four PhD fellows were immediately terminated and there's more but it's so sad that I'm not going to read it and then um websites have been taken down and whole programs were put on pause not on Frozen if they're related to environmental justice so we're we're really pushing forward on the 100% clean electricity by 2035 legislation which will you know provide for more options right now the clean energy law in New Jersey only allows for solar and wind under the 100% clean electricity standard by 2035 it'll also include any technology that's zero carbon um so like nuclear would be able to be expanded or count towards that 100% so that we're going to be working hard to get the governor to move that forward with the legislature um that's really important for our for our future I don't know if anybody realiz this but Pennsylvania is the largest burner of coal in the country and the winds blow from there to here yeah they have a city there I don't know it's called like cville or something that's still burning been burning for 100 years yeah but I'm I'm doing a speech at ruter next Wednesday on environmental engineering versus civil engineering and I'm showing stuff I've done and and some of that's great yeah so it's a bad day I just say you know I think the governor's made it a Hallmark um for his you know Legacy offshore wind and it appears that's not going to come to fru so I think we lose out as a state mostly it's happening all around the country yeah so unfortunately start with Earth right yeah that was if if that would happen we would already have something in play right blades in the water I mean they had they had turbines on ground on land ready to go in I'll take I mean one might say that the fossil fuel companies building offshore wind is kind of a conflict of interest um because both projects that were we're talking about orad and Atlantic Shores had major fossil fuel companies investing in that maybe this is not the right venue but I mean can the state say let's build the wind to help in offshore drilling right and let's start building the turbines first and by the time it's completed there would be a study released that would say oh it's still it's not worth because we don't have much oil here and then probably doesn't work because Biden did ban offshore drilling off the Atlantic coast yes so did Murphy so but me to the W but but but this would be a way how to get Buy in from the FED yeah but it would be reversed anyway I mean I shouldn't say that I I don't think that's going to fly yeah lot lot of Li a lot of misinformation on offshore wind all funded by fossil fuel interests and there's a big map of web of you have to look at the source of the news nobody ever looks at it they read the headlines scroll down down down see who's putting that that news out there even today one of the Articles like a local mayor said it would be these would be the closest turbines ever this is not true literally you can swim from Block Island to the turbine it's so close yeah but they just say things people print it it was on Black Island I was on Black Island you can see them but the cable got pulled yeah they did that was last summer I think they fixed it since okay but there was you know when when you're on the shore you can see them all out yeah wonder what that that would look like I remember traveling in Holland in sure how long ago it was maybe 2,000 uh seeing wind turbin like 100 yards from Shore and they look good perception yeah the other point too is is is so so what right so even if they were if it was true even though it's a lie they were the closest and right right all right put wind turbin offshore from Trump's golf course at the end of one of the holes yeah okay um so any other committee reports and that's it I think that's it okay um hot topics anybody have something they want to bring up you have something yeah well I attended the second meeting of the lower Millstone Watershed working group okay and it was all given over to uh a proposal basically Mike pisaro of the Watershed had recruited um see if I can find J James cos Grove of a firm called one water he he's the head of it and has a lot of experience in the area uh to present a proposal to generate a watershed wide report for ms4 purposes and so it would be one report and then Parts would go into the individual Municipal ms4 reports and Scott Thomas mentioned to me that they have just about finished the their s survey of the waterers shed things now that are now existing the portal called the project called for a cost of $254,000 to be paid for by the municipalities involved on a basis of their percentage of the impervious surface in the Watershed which is a good way of doing it Franklin share would be $49,000 in change um so we need to get this into our budget I sent this to you did you get it I was on vacation last week but let me see it sounds really I sent it to EDP 3 oh rather than Franklin would be responsible for 49,000 he said right okay yeah inventory is for ms4 is due this year assessment next year action what to do in 2027 [Music] work all this I have the whole their whole proposal here maybe I should pass that to Tara and Scott Thomas said we're almost done with our ms4 mapping yeah okay yeah okay I think I'm not sure whether other where other towns stand on this but of information montgomer is the only municipality that is and Rocky Hill of course and Millstone burrow that are entirely within the lower Millstone Watershed 69% of Franklin is okay okay I will forward to seems to be moving ahead is it all in or none like if only a few towns do it does it not happen if only a few towns do it does the research not happen then well yeah they admitted that that could be a problem but I think that the major Towns at least are likely to do it so you know if some community that is whose assessment would be just a few thousand doesn't matter right right did you have something Maria you said well I attended the driving through change uh opportunities for local climate action from Ang I think I asked Paul and Robin if I could attend when when is that uh it was in January 14 oh yeah I was in Florida and then on January 28th I didn't attend because I forgot um and it was basically um um giving information to Commissioners about um how to um make mitigation plans and store Water Management plans for towns are affected by flooding and I just did the first one and it was a two it was a two- day but I only went to the first one on January 14th mhm okay okay thank you and so we'll move into Old business Community heat monitoring opportunity through the national integrated is this still going to be available I don't know I submitt it I submitted it so it's been completely submitted I did send it to uh the shade tree commission via Steve guli before I submitted it he gave me some good feedback um which I Incorporated and then I submitted the grant so right after I submitted it I thought the same thing I don't know if this office will even be in existence yeah but I did submit it and we'll see I got a response back but they did receive actually a good amount of applications so I don't know though what's going to happen we'll have to keep keep following it uh Jersey climate Superfund act this resolution I have ready on my computer and I I I don't know what I'm missing here there was language I know Arie you told me you got you had request ested language but I can't remember the name of the person they requested it from and I cannot find it in the in my email didn't you request or someone did you request background on why there was a paragraph in there or something CU I just need to fix that and then I can send it on yeah who was it from or who responded to you I should say uh it was either Bob scared pain or burnard that more I believe that that's who it was what's her last name more m a h r or m a h e r r yeah m a h e r okay let me see if I can find that cuz once I made that change I can just forward it on let me just make sure that uh see what her email address is cuz if you come across it can you just send it to me or if not can you reach back out to her and find out like what it was that she said and then I can just really quick make that change and move forward okay thank you okay b e r n d a n if you put that in I'm sure d e r n d a d a n e r i n at AOL.com all right I'll see if I can find it that and then her two daughters first names oh there you go all right up to a kerbside composting program was that you who where was that from that was about what you already talked about oh the stuff that I'm trying to yes so you already talked about that the curbside composting annual report I you know moving along just continuing to work on it okay not done yet uh this sustainable Jersey partners and energy efficiency grant I know the people from sustainable Jersey want to meet in person about this um I think they want us to apply for the next portion of the grant which is doing more work on this the problem is is that in terms of what we have right now I think on our pleate I think we're at capacity like if another Grant came in I don't even know what we would do I don't I can't find something to do with it you know what I mean so I know they want to meet in person about it but I you know I reached back out and basically said that and so we'll see what the response say okay and um there any other old business if not I just had um one question about um T you were looking into the non- voting members status I was yes Ed do you remember a while back I had emailed you about can we appoint someone to the committee as a non- voting member um like a youth member that they would be non- voting for example yes for the EC and I think you said you were just see if you knew any other commissions or if you had any ideas about I think we looked it up and anj anj I think said that we can says you can I guess what are your thoughts on it counil wanted to do we have that um I think the human relations commiss the human relations commissions has or had one at least for sure so in order to do that do we need to like change the ordinance I guess says it's okay then no why wouldn't it be okay non voting member which basically is public yeah but they can deliberate like me like ex officio and they would get the materials and everything too and that's what I'm wondering I guess we have to change our ordinance to allow for the option of a non- voting member cuz who would put that non- voting member on like who would appoint them we would recommend them like a regular voting member yeah through the council I think it would still I mean the same thing we were talking about a youth member yeah who would be non voting you want to check with Bob or you want me to check with Bob clearly I didn't do it from the last meeting that's okay yeah um if you want to check that would be great only because if you think it's a good idea I think that would help probably you know that would move it along I hear a couple of people say that you know about youth members which is great if we can have youth members for that a top my list youth member to EC but it doesn't necessarily have to be youth members no that's right we had a high school kid came and did some nice talking and we thought hey that would be a to do it well with a non voting I'm sorry a non voting member we would have to say in the ordinance right like n the EC consists of one non voting member well I think we have that already with our alternates so I wouldn't suggest that we have like a non- youth person well an an alternate means that if somebody drops out then they can vote that person vote otherwise they're a non- voting member if everyone's there they can still participate in the discussion they still get all the materials so it's kind of that's already covered I so I would think you would want to just do a youth position to try to get younger people engaged through the whole govern um governmental process it's more specific than just a non- voting member and it has a you want a nicer over to it also but I think we were talking about more than just one person weren't we I think what you're talking about is like having volunteers help like at our committee level so they wouldn't be official members they were just like volunteers to help with expert um a non-voting member would be like they would be like on our distribution list for example and like sit at the table and be able to you know like we had the interns Consultants yeah but the interns are not yeah the interns were like staff more yeah but yeah they could speak all the time rather than just in the public correct correct so they take part in the discussions yeah like Jenny for example she's been helping us a lot with stuff so she's like kind of like a volunteer that's been helping us a lot which is great um like the specific Committees of our of our commission okay so you'll find out then Ed if we need to like change the because if we need to change the ordinance we will but it'll just you know we have to do that and how how you going to set up how the commission is going to then um propose The Volunteers in well there would be a non-voting member so that we would have to determine what's their term like are are they going to be a one-ear person I think on the human R yeah one year who recommends them how do they get appointed Etc okay the volunteers though I think we can work with them anytime yeah yeah y well you know with the volunteers then we want to we wanted to I guess advertise the you know to let people know that we're looking for volunteers yes yes Robin said I believe the next Franklin times is when she wants to get that in for so yeah yep absolutely for a youth do you find do you define what youth is up until a certain age yeah yeah I guess we have to like kind of figure those parameters out yeah whoever feels young current high school student or something I high schools we were College it be 16 to college or College just they could probably be a regular member yeah they could yeah you know college students are Schoolboard members or council members we might be shooting for um a high school member however we might not get any High School members so we go to our secondary group of college what they do at I was thinking if it's a high school transportation through hours the parents will say I have to drop pick you I can't imagine bringing my daughter here because she would would be candidate Technically she's in a high school but I mean she has some other stuff probably and a wife and she's by the way she's a uh president of of the high school club you know I'm very proud but you know to ask for a motion to open the floor to the public again so move second all favor I REM um just I if there's going to be an article put out asking for volunteers I could write that and be like my time volunteering for the environmental commission and then do a little highlight of oh that would be great thank you Jenny that would be awesome okay that would help a lot yes very good so um all right then U close the meeting to public wait so Bill does he just nods I tried second second all in favor I motion to adjourn so move Wednesday 6:30 I'll be there 6:30 good