In accordance with the open public meeting act of the state of New Jersey, adequate notice of this meeting of the Franklin Township Environmental Commission was made by posting on the Bolton board at the municipal building posted on the township's website and electronically transmitted to the
official designated newspapers indicating that this meeting would take place on um October 6, 2025. Okay. Oh, we'll do the roll call. Uh, let's
see what I have over here. Have it right here. Good. Okay. Walter Andrew here. Easy. That one is here. Maria
Bed Chase is not here. And tower's here and that's here. Okay. Um, chair report. I'm doing what I have done in the past, catch up a little bit on some of the warehouse proposals that
we've been worked on. Uh, the B9 warehouse proposal is now in the appeal process. Court schedule and responses have been pushed further delay deliberations into January. But this week there was a hearing and the both
the applicant and uh protesters filed or the HOA and the town um had oral arguments in front of Judge Bennett. So now he'll deliberate that part of it. So it's moving along but it's still going to be a while before we see a big
warehouse on the corner of Meters and Squass Road. Who is it that's appealing now? uh the citizen group called Sewag which is canal walk against warehouse and uh the township. Okay.
Now, the the Onyx warehouse proposal is now stalled as the owners of of the Somerset Home Nursing Home have objected and are engaged in and have engaged an attorney because it turns out that you got to the intersection of um New
Brunswick Road and the road coming out from Shop Rider where they would the trucks would come in. It's real not defined as to who owns that corner. It may belong to Somerset Home. So that's why they got an attorney and they're protesting and that's the only that's
the only entrance that trucks can get to if they're going to build that warehouse. So we don't know what's going to happen there. Some of them run is protesting that as well. Isn't that stretch of New Brunswick Road restricted against I thought it was there's a sign says no
trucks over such and such but because the road that goes to Shopright that's private property. Yeah. And he needs an easement and evidently he's not getting that. Yeah. So the other road is the only way other way to get I mean I do it I'm coming down New Brunswick I make the
right turn and go to shop right or to Wells Fargo or whatever else is in that little area but um evidently some the the nursing home didn't realize what was going on until late so that they've now filed of objections. Oh the other
proposal that involves Somerset Run is to build two buildings on Davidson Avenue and New Brunswick. um right on the Davidson and that has been sent back to the applicant with some recommendation that the architect redesign the building the buildings we
want them to be have the parking inside and not outside this area that would be like an L-shape so that's still on hold um oh Stan I did put in a notice to talk to the manager of the Elizabeth Avenue Shopright about putting in an EV charger
so he's supposed to call me back he has my phone number my We'll see what happens. Got that. We should hear back. Supposedly the the assistant manager said he would call me back. But uh Shopright does not have any application in place. No. No.
They just momentarily they won't I don't know. That's you know I want to introduce the subject to him. He may know about it already. But another uh shop ride in New Jersey somewhere in Hunter County, they installed DC fast charging station.
Good. That gives me more more, you know, information. It was initiated through Shopright by itself. So I probably have more interest to do that. But um it was uh uh
installed as a network of uh Electrify America. Ah okay. And uh Electri America I don't know exactly what's the location but Electrify America would not install unless it's uh near highly frequent.
Well the shop is busy that's for sure. No it's not on the highway but um we I mean we have them now at Canal Walk and that did that didn't cost us anything to get installed. So So we'll see what happens but at least it just starts. Yeah. And um I and I did want to mention
in case everybody didn't know that Ted is going to get an award on Friday and the environmental commission is going to get an award. Thank all the work. That's what this is. We're in recognition of of all the work that has been doing over the years and
us too. We got things the micro mobility study was mentioned and Ed was part of that as well. So we're we're doing okay. Okay. So, uh I'll mention in connection with what you said about the proposed
stores at Davidson and uh New Brunswick Road, we did get a revised plan is not a major redesign. The buildings are not position
position of the buildings has not changed more. Oh. From what they did first time. Yeah. There's more buffering along New Brunswick Road. Yeah. [Music] See what happens. Everybody wants to
Did they give a reason why they want two buildings and not just one building? One is two story. It has stores on the bottom. On top building. Now, the office on top
basically is for the owner of the of the property. I mean, I think he owns a lot of other things, too, but he wants to have his office there. The comment I keep making is that there
ought to be an he's got a staircase at the front of the building, and the back of the building, but there's no emergency exit at the back back. There ought to be
in my opinion any [Music] keep going. Um, next item is approval of the minutes from the September 29th 24 move. Have there any changes or modifications? I have to abstain. I wasn't here. Uh I
have last minute change uh because uh the the sentence that was u uh referring to me uh talking about the Agria's farm in uh uh near RERS Lane which is part of
RERS. Uh so what I was saying is that it was part of the Sunday campaign but not Sunday like a because it's Sunday but su n like a sun day Sunday not not not day of the week. Where is this in the minutes then? Just
direct me. So sun space day space day. Yes. Where is this in the minutes? First page, second page. Uh it is um uh uh I don't remember. It's the second house.
It should it should be in the low on the first page, I think. Okay, you can keep going. I'll find it. I can just correct you if you want. And I and I sent email to this respect at around 2 p.m. and I copied you so you will have inside.
Okay. But but I thought just to make it clear what was the context because it was part of the report from uh the energy and infrastructure committee. Okay. And the context was that during
that campaign there were more events and the other one that I was uh talking was a community solar event uh which was happening in Bridgewater and at that time I could not recall the name of the presenter not
that it matters but uh the the sun day campaign apparent they will have u future events as well. Okay. So this is something that we want to keep an eye on uh for the future so that we can share with our audiences because
at that time when we discovered it it was too late to at that time. So, so the context was uh just talk about what's happening in the field of Okay, I'm kind of elaborating already a
little bit more, but uh that's one sentence. I got it. Thank you. All right. Well, we'll make the change. You make those changes. Okay. All in favor of accepting the minutes with the changes just proposed. I
motion to open the floor for public comment. So move second. All in favor? I Bill left us so we don't have any public comment. Uh correspondence. This might be a little interesting. I've
got two letters. First one is a notice to the D about asking for a letter of interpretation um from the New Jersey Chinese Community Center on Adam Street. Um it's letter of
interpretation brands absence of regulated wetlands and transition buffers on site. It says 111 and 117 Adams Street. I got the block numbers. I think it's off Elizabeth Avenue
down near Joe Daniels's office. I think I remember because the map's back here. Here's the black room. Okay. Oh, this is a wetlands letter of interpretation. Okay. The D.
Okay. New Jersey Chinese Community Center. Okay. All right. Do I do anything with it or just like hold on to it? Any questions? Uh the um the second one was one I
thought would be um of interest, but Robin's not here. Another application for freshwater wetlands letter of interpretation. Address is 100 Sudam Road. So that's um Robin. He doesn't live on Sudam Road anyway.
What? Doesn't live on Sudan Road. 27. No, Skilman Road. On Skilman, right? It just says Okay. So, it's here. Here's the map. It's a big lot. 322,000 square ft.
So, is this on Skilman or Sudan? Right. It just says Skil Sudam Road. 60oot right ofway for tax map. So, this must be Sudam Road. Otherwise, it's listed. That's the only street
listed [Music] out further. Yeah. Again, it's um land protection plans, freshwater wetlands letter of
interpretation. You know who that one is? It's way out. Yeah, there's there's a jog in the road against the canal road. Is the request what's what is it about?
They want a wetlands a application for a f a freshwater wetlands letter of interpretation submitted to the D tren land resource protection development shown on the closed plans. I don't have the plans. I just have this map,
but that may be something that that we're going to see down the road. Does it say who owns it? Um, application for just it just has the address. And on the lot doesn't have a name either. It just says blot lot number
7.32 acres. That's all it says. And um there's no other identification stuff anywhere. Now, this was dated end of August, but um
when time we got it, you know. Okay. Now, we were scheduled for I don't see him yet. Uh we're going to have a presentation by a president of um Live Oak Landscapers, but he's not here
at this point. We can keep going with our keep going. And when he shows, he shows. Yep. I talked to him by email. I keep hearing noises, but then um
so next is are there any site planes? Okay, sorry. I had for some reason something weird happened with my computer, so I had to re But I'm I'm just Give me one second. I'm just reconnecting to this thing right up here. Give me one second. I told him to turn left when he came
through the main door. So, okay. If you I'll start off with mine, Ted, if you don't mind. Um, so I have it up. Go ahead. That's okay. Sure. Uh, so, okay. So, I have two. So, one is from the last time. Uh, it's
called the Tawi Dawa Center. Um, sorry. I had it loaded up on the map and everything, but now it's going to take a minute, but I can talk about it at least in the meantime. Uh, sorry. Okay, so here's the plan. So, we can get this going. This is located at
6:30 South Middlebush Road. Um, I'm going to zoom in so you can kind of see. This is the overall site plan. In 2022, it received approval as a uh house of worship and since then it's
changed. Uh the actual building footprint has been reduced slightly. The number of parking spaces are the same. The location of the parking lot is the same. Same number of trees proposed to take down. The difference is it's going to be a mosque now. So the architectural style has changed. Um I'm going to show
you the plan here. So I've gone through it. Yes, restore that. I need that. Okay, bear with me for one second. Okay, I think it's these plants that are making Sorry. Go ahead. Is this the one on the side where the the tree farm was?
This is at This would be the one next to Snider's farm. Oh, next to Snider's farm. Is this it right here? No, that one's not right. No. 6:30 South Middle Bush Road. Okay. Oh, it's
right here. It says Snider. Okay. So, it's this property right here. Let me just go check. Is it not what's it's highlighting the correct one. Here we go. Yes. This.
So, this is the property right here. Uh let me go back to my sheet now so I can actually tell you about it. Okay. So, it's located at 630 South Milbush Road. It's in the agricultural zone. Uh the total site is 15.96 acres.
Um the proposed building is 25968 square ft. So it's going to take that and the parking is going to take up a lot of the site. Um like I mentioned uh originally in 2022 it received approval under a previous owner for a religious
structure. Um the proposal is consistent with the original approval with minor modifications. So the building is in the same location. However, the footprint has been reduced from 21,083 ft to 19,350 ft. The rear yard setback has been
increased by 4.9 ft and the sideyard setback has been increased by 0.5 ft. So that that setback in the back, it's been reduced, but it's still pretty close to the It's been increased, but it's still close. Yes, it's 75.5 ft. And what is
the requirement? 75. So it meets the requirement. It's 0.5 over.5 over. Yep. Um the uh what else here? The architectural style has been changed because it's now a mosque. The building height is below
the maximum allowance of 35 ft. Parking lot and number of spaces is the same. Um they are proposing to do a conservation easement to Franklin Township in the area where the wetlands are and the transition area which is in the southwest corner of the property. Um let
me scroll down here. Okay so this is kind of an overall site plan. Um the parking lot you can see there's parking lot proposed here. 158 spaces altogether. So you got a larger parking lot over here smaller lot. This
over here is a bio retention basin um to deal with storm water management. This is the proposed structure and this is the area of the proposed conservation easement to Franklin Township for the wetlands. So this area here shows you
the wetlands with the transition area. Uh what else can I show you that's good here? So let me scroll down. Impervious uh surface are they okay? improve previous coverage. They are okay. They are under the amount. I can
get you the but I can get you the exact number but they're within the allowable limits. Um was there an issue previously with their septic system? They are proposing to build a septic but there was no issue. So they meet the soil standards for permeability for
septic. Um and yes they are building their own septic. So no no issues there. They are planting, let me see how many trees it was. I just want to get you the right number. Um, they're not requesting a use variance. They only need C variances and
it's for the setbacks that I told you about. Uh, there's 158 parking spaces proposed. There's no EV parking spaces shown on the plan, so they require seven. Yeah. So, we'll do that. 238 replacement trees are proposed. So I think that in the comment regarding
the charging stations I just calculated 6.32 we round it to seven. Yeah. I would propose if they reduce the parking capacity to 150 they can just install six charging stations. Right
now the benefit is that it would reduce uh imperous surface further. Right. Okay. It's it's some sort of concession that they can build to themselves. I don't think they will accept it. But uh is it okay to make such a suggestion?
No, it's okay. But there's there probably requirements as to how many parking space. Is that so? Yeah. But number of number of seats, you know, the capacity of the bus will determine how many parking. Okay, then take it out. Sorry, I it may be that they've gone and they need it.
No, I think Yeah, I think you can suggest it and if it's possible, it's possible. I think it's a good suggestion. Yeah, if we reduce it to 150, then they're in that six threshold instead of the 4%. Right. Okay. There's no antiidling signs shown,
so I put that down as a recommendation. It's not It's not a warehouse or business. Yeah. The only island is going to be if parents are waiting to pick up their kids. Um, I did say we should probably look at
pvious pavement for the parking area. Um, okay. And uh Oh, the one thing is so I see they're planting 238 replacement trees. I've just got I just had to do this today. So just I had to end up doing
this while I was sitting here. So, I didn't get a chance to really look at um look at the I could not I could do the math. I didn't get a chance to do the math. I cannot find where they write how many trees they're taking out. Now, by doing the math because they've come up with 238 replacement, I can figure it
out, but I so I had to take this over for EZ because he's not here today. So, I didn't get a chance to really like dive into that part, but I can look at it. Um but they are planting 238 replacement trees. This is South Middlebush Road. So, they're planting a
few large trees along here. One interesting interesting thing that they're doing, I thought, is they're planting this farm pollination buffer mix um in this area here, which is like a pollinator grass shrub kind of thing.
Um I thought that was interesting that they were doing that. They're uh they're putting trees along the residential properties for buffering. And uh in the parking areas taking down a lot of woods, correct?
Right. So I mean we can look I mean yeah the wooded it's a lot of wooded area obviously. You know where you might find it under demolition if there's a demolition but they're not taking anything down any buildings. Let me look and see. But there might be another landscaping plan also.
I was looking at the landscaping plan. I don't see it there. But I can look at the demolition plan. This looks like actually it's this is a tree inventory. It looks like tree removal note. Tree clearing shall be limited to the time of year as permitted by NJ.
Yeah, those that's standard. Oh, here we go. Here's Okay, they're taking down 410 trees. 430 then are required. I'm sorry. Wait, that's wrong. Existing
trees to be removed. They're taking down. Okay, let me Nope. So 238 are required. I'm sorry. 238 are being planted. 430 are required. So the difference is going
to the shade tree fund. So the difference of 238 and 430. So roughly, you know, 200 amount times $300 per tree is going to go to the shade tree fund to make up the difference. So let me add this together cuz they
Yeah. And so they're taking down I don't know why they didn't just total it up here, but that's okay. 33 31 171. They're taking down 88 trees. Here's three information. The um
the latest is I think $315 a tree. Okay. But it's still up for debate because the shade tree is going back and forth saying that that it it hasn't been or not after not doing it for 10 years
and us getting on on their backs about not doing it every year, increasing the amount every year as they're supposed to. They haven't done it in 3 years. Wow. Okay. So, and they're saying, well, we'll increase it by 5%.
and inflation is more than 5% over the last 3 years. So, uh it's still being discussed, but it's a minimum of 315 now. Well, they don't have to follow inflation. They can No, they No, they don't have to. I mean,
uh you could prices could go down even. Yeah. That doesn't mean that uh they would decrease their fee. If somebody used cost of living as a as the escalator, nobody can argue that. Yeah, really. That's that would be typical.
I think that's what the the engineering department who is it's their job to do this. Um I think they just throw that out there as 5%. And the other way is to go out get bids and take the average and use that, you know, real a real number. If you go to one of the tree farms and look at a
tree, a guy, you know, a BNB, it's going to cost more than $300 for a 7 7T tree. Okay. So, be 192 192 times. Is it right now on the books 300
or 35? The ordinance has not changed yet that I'm aware of. um they threw that number out there at 3:15 and I don't know if it's going to stay there or it's going to change
that would require a town council vote. Yeah. I mean anytime there's an ordinance change um engineering has to council and they have to just approve the other. May we also make the recommendation that they replace more
trees on site because they're they're looking to put a lot of they're not they're they're coming under by 200 something trees and the EV spaces we want to say um mention if they reduce to 150
yeah 150 they can they only have to do six spaces and reduces imperous coverage. That's all I got for that one unless anyone has any other questions.
Okay, that's that one. Wait, wait, one more thing. Uh I think uh I just want to double check. Uh uh in our checklist uh at some point we wanted to make a recommendation that the charging stations for all installations
will be spaced out by one. We have that in our blur. We've updated our blurb to say that every other do we include that here. Yes, it's in our standard blur. Yeah. Okay. So, that's the Tawied
um Dawal Center. Then I have one more and I know Ted has one. How many trees would they be required was 44 230 and they're planting 238. The other one I have that I'll go over and then Ted can go over his is
Houndtown um 543. So they they've submitted a new submitt which is essentially a letter. Um so Houndtown in the past is this is located at 1695 Amwell Road. This is right across the
street here. Um and this was Sorry, let me get this up. So, this is for a class 5 cannabis retail dispensary and they needed a use variance. It was denied. Um, they have
submitted a request back to the uh zoning board basically asking for reconsideration to see if they can be reapproved or not reapproved but reheard because their use variance was denied. So, um that's why it's on us here. Uh,
let me look and see what our last comments were. And there's no new updated site plans or anything like that. Um, the last thing we said was the EC does not have any recommendations to submit regarding environmental impacts. However, does
wish to provide an opinion on the proposed location of this business. The proposed commercial use is not compatible with provisions or intent of the R20 zone and in this instance specifically conflicts with the existing surrounding area. the additional business to be situated in the existing
structure could also impact traffic and parking in this already busy intersection. So our last comment which was on May 20th was that we didn't have any environmental comments because they were looking to go into the existing building. They weren't looking to build anything new and increase anything but
we basically said that we felt that the use which is what they were going for a use variance didn't really fit. So we can submit the same memo if everyone feels the same way or if anyone has any comments they want to make different comments.
I'm just copy the zoning madam simply deny the reh hearing. I think that's what yeah it probably will come down to okay that's what I have. Okay. Ted has um Ted has one NPH realy
resubmission. I'll put up you want me put up your notes from before. Sorry guys. Usually my usually the meeting runs much smoother than this. I'm having like a technical difficulty which is very annoying. So just bear with me here cuz it's I have Ted's
email. I usually Oh, here we go. Ted's email is up and ready to go. Okay, while we're doing this guys, I think I introduced Javon to everyone, right? Um I don't know if everyone got you. Ellen, I don't know if you met Javon. He Okay,
good. So he's interested in volunteering for our um our energy and infrastructure committee. But we asked you the reason we asked you to come like I mentioned is there there might be a different there might be different things you want to work with after like kind of working
with the comm the commission or there might be something different that is more helpful. So we figured if you sit and listen maybe then you know you might be like oh I see what they're doing and I want to do this or that. All right. So far great. Good. I'm glad. Thank you for coming. Pleasure.
Good. Good. So, okay. Excellent. All right. So, every every meeting question. I'm curious. What's your background? What brings you? I know. I work in financial services. So, like I've worked in banking over the last 10 years, but um
I don't know. It's it's so many environmental issues um from a larger perspective, but it's really interesting to see how many how many sequential events end up creating the implications in the township. So such as like
warehouses, dispensaries, using variances, uh how many trees you need to replant if you're going to tear down 400 and something like this is all great exposure for me to know exactly how to improve um the environment in a municipality or in a state. um across
the board. Like even within the last 40 minutes of being here, like I've I've I've seen so many different people have opinions, knowledge, information, so forth. Um so it just really my uh you don't have to have I mean if you
have that's it, you know, you don't have to. Yeah, we appreciate you being here. That's great. So every meeting we have to the environmental commission is required to go through site plan approval. that a site plan review that's before the planning board or zoning board. So that's what we're doing right now. We do this every meeting first and then we go
through other projects. So just so you know, when you do the the site plan review, do you I guess you make recommendations to what the planning and the zoning board or is it just Okay. So the last one we reviewed um the Houndtown one that was a zoning board. So our comments go to zoning board. If
it's under the planning board, it'll go to the planning board and they review that along with all their other reviews from like the fire safety commission and health department, everything there. So, generally they give our comments to the applicant and the applicant usually
answers those leaves at the meetings. So, sometimes they say yes, we'll we'll do it. Yes, we won't. Or or we can do this, that kind of thing. But the the applicant and ends up with our comments. I was going to say if they if they really wanted it, I guess they take your comments and then
Yeah. Yeah. perform the They do. Sometimes they do. Yep. Sometimes they do, which is great. So, some uh site applications are impacting uh neighboring residents and we had a
situation in the past that it impacted lots of people and they all came here and they disrupted our meeting. We don't have public sessions. Yeah. All right. So, this one, so we'll move forward. We'll go to the next. So, if you have any questions though, feel free
to pop in. Um, so Ted, um, Ted is doing NP realy, which is a resubmission. Um, the last one was, I guess, do you want to go through it, Ted? Do you want me to just pull up your notes? What's the easiest thing to do? So it looks like you're saying here they
put plantings along the Brunswick road frontage. Yeah. And they also in this they had previous versions they had two small as they call it amenities
basically outside tables and chairs. uh and one was sort of between the two buildings and one was close to the New Brunswick Road frontage. the latest
plan. They have one larger area for such, but right smack up against Davidson Avenue. And I would suggest I think the the earlier proposal would be better if they
put enough bushes around the one that's close to to New Brunswick Road. So the original proposal with screening like vegetative screening is better. Yeah. Can you just tell that real quick?
I feel that the original proposal the one of the two small amenity areas is up between the two buildings. So it's not close to the
street. The other one is closed to the New Brunswick Road frontage, but I think it would be acceptable if you had enough bushes between it and New Brunswick Road. Okay. The biggest change in this proposal from
previous is a lot of planning along New Brunswick Road. And I think the the board had asked them for plantings to shield the rear of the twostory buildings. And I think they've overdone it because
they're putting them all the way down practic down to the sewage authority easement. Okay. Whereas I think going down to the first bed of existing woodlands would be
enough. Okay. You can see this when you look at the land. All right. Got it. So that's basically it. And they have now followed an earlier suggestion that I had u that they ought to have
buffering along the northeasterly line because there's a house next door on the Davidson and there ought to be buffering there. Okay. Well, that's good. So they did take one of the suggestions from last time. So this is the twostory mixeduse
building and then a singlestory retail building that they're proposing on this site. Yeah. So you can see there the larger amenity but that cross-hatch bit with I think are four tables in it.
Oh okay. And you're saying it used to be in here. Yeah, they okay the submission actually they did include the prior plants which was helpful. Yeah, but they didn't include the the sheet. Well, I can I can
they the pri previous version they had about here a small maybe two tables just place you could sit around outside and then one about here
and this is the plan. Well, th this doesn't show the the new plantings that would be on the landscape, okay? But they're all along here. And you see this woods here. My suggestion is they
only need go as far as wood. They don't need to go all the way down here. Okay. Although, who are we to turn down more trees, right? Did didn't the uh the write up talked about the planning board wanting
it to be an L-shaped the planning board requested or some members requested um essentially one extended building sort of Lshaped would be
story section running like that right which they certainly have not done in provide plan. Okay, let me just check your notes and make sure you didn't say anything else that uh
okay you did and amenity area they have not attempted what the planning board wanted which is the story okay that's it for that one then anybody have any other questions comments
do they have any of the parking areas impervious or pvious I should say pvious uh did you notice just had any pvious Oh, I don't look at that. Well, you can see they've uh they've got a couple of
underground detention basins. Yeah, that I remember from the last one, which is good. Uh I didn't, you know, I remember looking at this briefly. I don't think they said anything. Pavement for that.
Wait, that's all right. We can add it. What about anti-idling sign? Did you see any any? I didn't see any either. And anti-idling. We'll add that. I think that works. Let me look at the last submittal. Anti
idling signs. We recommended um we asked that they moved one of the dual charging stations cuz it was directly in front of the retail section of the development. Let me check on that. The anti retail. Um, and then we said while it's typically out of our review,
we noted that the mixeduse building only has one set of exit doors for the offices. An additional exit on the southwestern section was recommended in case of emergency. I mentioned that. You mentioned that again. Okay. Uh, let me check. That's not really an environmental.
No, we said that it was typically out of our review. Where's that building? Hold on. I'm in the wrong thing. I'm on the wrong plan now. Yeah, now I'm in the wrong plan. Okay, give me We're here. Okay, in the retail building, we said that
there was an EV charging station directly outside of the exit and we wanted that moved or the door. I'm sorry. It was right outside the door. Fire department should have stay in that also. That's really the fire department.
Yeah. Yeah. Look up there is a charging station. Yeah. So they moved it. No, up against the building. Oh, that's the handic. And here's a candy. Yeah, they did have a candy.
But how many? I think it's a Oh, they put a bicycle rack in. Look. I'm not sure where it's wound up. What about on the right side next to the other handicap? What's that site? side. The right side this.
No, right where your finger is. What's next to the handicap? What's the percentage for EV? If they have over 150 parking spaces, it's 4% and then any then there's a range like 100 to 150 spaces.
Yes. Yes. Oh yeah. They always want to have a dual like as if the door is Oh, here's an EV space. Here's EV one. That's what you're looking at now. Yeah. One, two. Okay.
Should have So, they do have Oh, here's a no idling sign here. Zone sign. Here it is. Really should anywhere they have parking, they should have no idling. Oh, here's one, too. No idling zone here. No idling zone here. They do have signs
around. Okay. Anything in the back? I don't see anything about pvious pavement. So you suggested them to have no idling actually. No, it was other members I think particularly Bob Thomas
other members of planning were suggesting this which is of course a radical redesign. Yeah. Yeah, there's no pvious pavement. I just double checked. So, we're we got to recommend that. Okay. Anybody else? Are there comments,
questions? If you go to the landscaping plan, you'll see what they propose there. Underground, the water storage is square. Here's a landscaping plan.
Yeah. Here's see a lot of planning along there. QPH that's some sort of a you know the terrain is sloping this way.
It's it slopes generally that way. It doesn't most of the slope is back here. So the water is that underground water storm water storage there somewhere. Yeah. the tur.
Which way do you want to go? Back to the the one that shows underground. You see both this? Yeah. This then this is behind the twotory building and there's not pavement over it. And
there's one up there that would have over the park. Anybody have any more questions, comments on this one? No. Okay. All right, then. That's all we got, I think. Or you didn't have any, right? No. No.
Okay. So, I think we're good there. Thank you, Ted. Well, then we'll move on to new business. potential partnership with the Franklin Township Astronomy Club, dark sky and international work. Yes,
that's really I mean we did the firefly walk on the grasslands with them and we did so um the astronomy club has a new president that they're working with and he's really interested in light pollution and
working on the dark skies initiative. So, he had reached out to our uh email and basically said he is the co-leader of the astronomy club. He's also an advocate member of the dark sky international New Jersey chapter. Um
he's been working uh trying to work with municipalities on a model municipal building ordinance and he was interested to see if we would be interested in working on that with him and kind of going through the dark sky model. So, I sent him the spreadsheet because we already did this with Dark Sky
International to work on our model ordinance. I sent that to him to look at and it has recommendations about things we can do, we can't do, things we should strive to do. The landing ordinance. Yeah. And so, I sent it to him and he said, "Okay, this is great." and he
wants to kind of meet with us and see if he can kind of just kind of like pick our brains about lighting and talk about why it's important for astronomy and um you know insects and so I said I would meet with them um October oh no I'm
sorry I said I would meet with them before our October 20th meeting and then kind of figure out like maybe there is some kind of partnership that we can we can do with them. So, if anyone here is interested and wants to attend that meeting or anything like that, you're welcome.
Well, having bought it would be the one that I sent it to her specifically. Yeah. So, she's going to let me know if she can do it, but if anyone else wants to It makes sense. I've been in lighting since 19 something. Yeah. If you want to participate, you
absolutely can. It's during Let me see what I have it um when I'm meeting with them. It's during the day. I think it's this depending on it depends on when I end up scooting down. Wednesday, October 15th at 11:30 here. Wednesday, October 15th, 11:30 here.
Tara, um, this is the Franklin Township Astronomy Club. Yes. Not a Franklin Township official, um, like with the municipality. No, no, it's a private club. So, um, do you know if these people have been in touch with the gentleman who came in
front of open space who wanted was talking about observatory up? He's still a member of the astronomy club. He's just no longer the president. So, this is their new So, he's involved. Yes. Is there anything new about that up in
Griggstown that you're aware of? No. No. I mean, that's like a major undertaking, that project. Yeah. So, no, nothing new yet. Um, and they have a new set of uh uh presidents and co-presidents here. They've also reached out to me cuz they want to partner with
the trails advisory committee to like really start doing more observations, more consistent observations at John Clyde Memorial Native Grasslands Preserve. So, they seem like that's kind of what they're focused on. But, but yeah, Zach, he's still very involved. October, what time?
11:30 a.m. in the building. Yep. Right here in this room. 11:30. Yep. And we'll go through and see what they say. But Robin has had an interest in updating our municipal lighting ordinance. I know you have. We had Dark Sky International kind of through the crosswalk. Yeah, they did that. Yes, I said that to them.
They did some recommendations. Yeah. So maybe they have ideas as to how we can make those recommendations actually happen. So So we will be meeting with them. We'll keep you posted. Maybe they can identify the comment as to what it is. Yeah, that would be great.
Okay. Um, how about the EC self assessment tool? So, the Did I send this to everybody in the email? EC assess self assessment tool. I can't remember if I sent it or not. Okay, cool. I wasn't sure how much time we would have on our meeting. I know we had a lot of site plan review. I know like Maria
has to leave soon. Um so maybe we can do this at the next meeting but I'll pass it around unless we have time later we can but basically Anjek has put together um an example of it's kind of like a self it's a self assessment tool and it's divided into criteria like the EC
membership our financial resources our outreach and visibility and you go through each person on the commission on your own not talking to other people you go through it and you check off where you think we're at and it kind of gives you an idea of according to Anjek are
you considered a novice environmental commission this is their language so I'm just going to read it to you a novice a proficient which is like the middle or superstar which is the third and so they recommend that every environmental commission really take it and it kind of
allows us to see where do we stand in terms of where what do they consider to be like an elite environmental commission and where can we improve and where are we doing great so I thought it would be great if we could do it Um, I can pass it around and then if everyone wants to, it's literally just six
questions that you check mark off. It's very simple and we can talk about it at the next meeting. We look at the resumes of our members. We are superstars. We are. That's true. That's true. But this is here. So, take that and for the next meeting or if you're sitting here and you can multit Okay. Yeah. If you
want to multitask and check off and you can hand it to me afterwards. Okay. I'll do that. Yeah. Check it off if you can while you're reading. And there you go. I think it would be nice to see where I think it'll give us, especially if the end of the year is coming. We like to do our goals, our vision and goals and our
annual. I mean, if you can listen and multitask at the same time. If not, you can give it to me next time. Um, I think it'll be good. It's a good way to help us like kind of set up our goals for next year. So, the next item on new business is the
Sarah Club webinar on PGM. That's the Pennsylvania, Jersey. Yes. Maryland grid attended it, which is much larger than it was before. So you you both went Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a virtual
online like a but they had um somebody from Sierra Clubs in each of the states reporting on what the situation is there. And uh I think particularly
interesting was the report on Pennsylvania which it is a an energy exporter. I don't know whether that's because of having a lot of natural gas but but apparently they
you know they do fracking too. Yeah. fracking to generate natural gas whereas New Jersey is a net importer of but
there's interest in I mean certainly at the Sierra Club level but even at the level of the governors and a number of the states of uh getting PGM to shape up and fly right because they
they tend to have a a cue a lot of proposed projects that they they well they had a a five-year backlog and they're now reducing the backlog but
they tend to favor acting on fossil fuel uh projects not on solar or wind projects. uh and the solar now is I think both solar and onshore wind are
cheap cheaper than fuel fueled uh projects. So they but by focusing on uh not only approving
new gas powered generating plants but not closing coal powered generating plants so that they're not doing at all what they could be doing
for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere but also know if if if they would approve the uh solar and I guess onshore wind um the those are actually cheaper than
new gas plants. So that uh the price has gone up because they have focused on u fossil fuel mainly natural gas but even existing coal generating plants and
put off the solar ones which would be cheaper. Um, so we but the the governors to some extent and particularly uh Pennsylvania
which is apparently said well we might leave PJM despite the fact that is P. It was originally Pennsylvania and Jersey Marilyn. That's what it was. You know what PJM stands for. Yeah it does. um
not doing well for at least Jersey. So they've gone into Ohio. It's everywhere. Every state, Republican states have section northern Illinois. Chicago is in the PJM area.
Section of Michigan, I think a very small section of Michigan. And that was I think one state that they didn't say. West Virginia is totally in. Right. No, West Virginia is totally in. Yeah. Uh pieces of Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. My bad. Go
ahead. Indiana, but most importantly, Virginia, all of Virginia. And I say Virginia is where they're really building these data centers which consume huge amounts of electricity
largely for cooling the the data centers as well as to actually I don't know whether it was mentioned but uh the the problem is the peak and the data centers they follow the usage. So if people are
using uh internet and sourcing asking for data then then you have a peak. So when people are working which is during the day that's where you get a peak but at night I assume they may consume less energy
and that's where electric vehicles charge. So, you know, somebody's complaining about electric vehicles, they don't contribute to the problem that we have in the grid because they're charging at night when load is low.
Yeah. The thing is that somebody wants to build a new facility of any type, they have to get approved
by PJM for tying up to the grid. And they really they can't really can't go ahead building until they get a PJM approval because they'd be committing money to the building. And if PGM then
didn't approve them, they would be out a great deal of money without being able to recover it by running the facility. Yeah. So it's it's you can't really move ahead with a project until PJM approves you
for and the backlog is about 5 years more. Well, it's long asked for clean energy projects, which are the cheapest. And two auctions ago, if 30% of the clean energy projects that were waiting in a queue got hooked up, our electricity
rates currently would be 63% cheaper than they were a year ago. It's because Ted's like underelling that they prefer oil, gas, and coal. They prefer oil, gas, and coal because the people in the room voting are the oil, gas, and coal executives. Yeah.
And they vote in private. Although New Jersey just passed a law and the governor signed it to make their votes public and they pick the projects of their friends across the table who are also oil and gas, not that you guys are oil and gas executives and profit from those technologies that are more
expensive and that's also what's driving up our costs. So u it's bad news bears corporate greed could be summarized as some run a muckuk well and there's no control the states
don't have control because they've this you know regional authority has control and the voting membership are the energy generators which are oil gas and coal 99% of the energy we get so they're trying to convince us the raising rising prices are a reason to move into more
oil gas and coal but that's where we get our energy now. So solar is the cheapest, entra wind is the second cheapest. That's where the future is because it's not only lower cost, it's also not going to cause cancer, asthma, heart disease, climate change. The jobs are local, etc.
So we also need energy storage. Geothermal is great too, but not necessarily for us driving energy power, lowering demand, helping to, you know, we need the energy storage also a lot and batteries. Yeah, because that's where the peak uh is problem because the
the worst coal power plants are peak power plants, right? And so in order to re recoup the investment that they have when they sell electricity during peak, it's it's very expensive. They run auctions, but you should know that this council
passed last week and another week they'll finally pass. um data centers in Franklin can't fake or purposefully create their own power generation um from dirty sources. So polluting
sources, fossil fuels. Um a lot of places these data centers are coming in and bringing their own power with really dirty diesel generators and they're spewing um all kinds of toxins into the air. Yeah. Um I think that that actually has lots of
state traction because the first town to pass it first everyone's going to follow. That's where the plan is. Yeah. Is it second reading or is it second? So second reading will be next week Tuesday. So, if you want to come and say
something nicer, just watch. That's important. They now with the Fed cutting back on wind turbines as well, it's stupid. That's it goes everything's in the wrong direction. When you're paid off by the oil, gas,
and coal industry, you kill the other technologies. So, the people who paid you off get money. Oh, but Trump has a particular peak against offshore wind because he looked out from his golf course in Scotland and
he could see offshore windmills and he didn't like them. He also didn't like electric vehicles until Elon Musk gave him a big hug and then he was a used car dealer for I don't know if he really believes in anything. I shouldn't get too political.
The wave the wave collection turbines wave generation you drive a turbine. Yeah. Uh it's very new um and sort of unproven uh to be there was some in Europe. I think there
you mean unproven to work unproven to be economical but worth exploring. Title too, you know, like when the tide comes in, raises a buoy up and then it goes down. The buoy goes down and spins an engine and it rises up. It's the same as wave. But then you are using the area at the
shore where people want to recreate. No, I mean the jetties are using the area at the shore where people want to you know it's it's choice. It's all about choices. Either you know today I read an article that China developed the first airborne u wind
turbine. So it's like big inflatable. They have helium in you know inside and it it has a shape of turbine and there are 12 independent generators wind generators um and it's uh up in the air
but it created lots of u fake uh follow-up news because people use uh uh artificial intelligence to generate images how it is somewhere up in the sky. The the biggest problem is that you still have to have it wired. Okay. So,
and the tall the higher it is the more wire you have to actually raise up more tension and and then uh the gas can collapse on its own length and the the gas inside it's very uh volatile it will diffuse eventually
through the uh through the casing. So, it it's it it's so screamingly unsustainable. Um, but some some people like it that it's not going to, you know, uh or or that it uh it lowers the cost uh because
you don't have to build a a tower, right? Uh you have to keep refilling the gas. And if you switch to hydrogen, which would be a okay because you know unlike zeppelin, which you know, when you carry people and hydrogen blows up,
you don't like it. But this doesn't carry people. But no matter you use hydrogen or helium both of them uh will escape through the wall and hydrogen is indirect uh greenhouse gas because it's interfering with the degradation of
methane in the atmosphere. Right? So methane is substantially higher index than carbon dioxide by itself. But the UV light UV light is killing it eventually. And when you have hydrogen in the air, the hydrogen takes
precedence. So that methane remains intact. So plus of course you have to put in energy to generate hydrogen. A lot of energy. Yeah. A lot. Yeah. And and helium is a limited resource. So that's
we need we need helium for super magnets for magnetic resonance for for analysis and chemistry and all that. So that industry is already suffering while the biggest use of helium is in entertainment balloons. Sorry that I
digress but uh huh entertainment balloons meaning balloons that people use. Yeah. For party balloons, you know. Oh my goodness. So but uh anyway, so um yeah, you should have said that whole thing while breathing in the helium from a
balloon and done it at a higher pitch. I would hit more. Next time you bring the balloons. Yeah, next time I'm bring a balloon. No, I will not do that. No, it's passing. By the way, uh those entertainment balloons, they have a mixture of nitrogen and helium because they figured
out that they don't need to use straight lithium because people don't appreciate it, you know. So you they dilute it to the point that it it's barely having lift, but you have only small percentage of helium. And when you use it for the breathing, you would not probably get
the effect. Not like the good old The last time I breathed it, but maybe recent. You did. You tried it. Okay. For my birthday this year. I'm not going there. 53. I can
change the subject. Committee reports are next on the agenda. Is there anything Marie? Anything? You don't release. As of now, we asked um Ellen, remember to uh we were
to prepare. Oh Okay. Don't put that in the record. On the record. Oh, compost. Something like that. It was a topic on composting.
I mean, I started do pulling up my uh my files. So you you you gave me a packet on a while ago. You still have that? So I don't know if that you think it's going to happen, but you need any help from us. What you need from us?
Well, one, I always need a deadline that I I that I'm shooting for. And two, it's like if I don't find my files, I know where I sent a copy of my files. And yeah, I'm I'm I'm really really passionate about food waste composting before Thanksgiving.
What? before Thanksgiving. That would be probably the best deadline what people are going to do with their waste of food, you know, food waste. I mean, I do a little food waste compost thing. Don't tell the president of my board, you know, but I'm lucky I have woods nearby and I, you know, figure
that's what we have next. And also a second, I think we talk about having a sec another uh event for about energy, but that's still okay. Sure. Yeah. Are there any other hot topics or
environmental less that we want to that we haven't talked about today? The only thing I want to bring up is right before this meeting, council member Patasnik and I met with Schneider Electric. Um they are working through BPU to uh kind of advance this energy
savings improvement program. And basically what it is is that uh municipalities can work with an a vendor that's through NJBPU, the Board of Public Utilities. Actually, this would probably this is probably right up your alley, Jioon, if you're interested in
this kind of thing. Um, and what they do is they do an assessment of all of our buildings to see where we can conserve energy and what projects we could do that would be energy efficiency measures that we can implement. They do this for us for free. Um and then through the BPU
you basically can um get projects spread out over a period of 15 years financed and spread out over a period of 15 to 20 years for projects that you can show the savings are greater than the amount of the project to actually con implement
and construct. Um so we had a great you know preliminary initial meeting with them. The assessment and everything is completely free. So, we're going to basically uh they met with Bob Born Locker back in April. He's provided them with the bills, the electric bills that they need. So, we're going to try and
work on getting them the building plans for our municipal buildings here. And then they can go through and start doing the assessment. And what they'll give us is basically a list of recommendations of energy savings projects that we can do. And it'll have a cost assessment, a cost um estimate with it, and a
potential energy um savings with it. Yep. Yep. Oh. Who is that finance? Is that done through like MUN bonds or something? Yes, it's done through bonds. Yep. It's done through bonds and it's over 15 to 20 year period. So it allows it basically to be a cost neutral cost
neutral project. So no cost if not better. Technically could make money on it. Yeah. So I'm trying to I'm trying to understand like the financials of it. So the mun the municipality gets the I guess the payments from
people behind the bonds, right? Y so the municipality they pay I guess the bond interest every once in a while but the bond interest is going to be lower than what the estimated savings are I'm assuming. So eventually I guess after 15 years it's a it's a dead black I guess.
Yes it is. Then we actually just start making money and like said some of the projects it might be that we already you know our payment might be say say your payment was $100. It's obviously more than that. If our energy savings are $200, then we we save $100. So really,
we stand to save a lot of money. It takes a lot of assessment upfront. It takes a lot of recommendations. It takes a lot of working with energy consultants, but this is a program that's run by the New Jersey Board of Public Utility Utilities. Like we said, it's costneutral. And we're in the preliminary phases of of kind of looking
into see if it's um something worth working into. But we did talk about can we have the EC involved? um cuz you guys have great ideas and you know a lot about energy savings and they said absolutely of course they welcome that. So um so yeah so right now we're
literally in the the data fa you know gathering data we had a lot of assessment of our energy efficiency back in the last decade. Yes we do with the audits. Now those audits are considered now like expired.
So part of it is you get new audits part of the EIP program which is great. Well, it sounds as if this this could suggest bigger changes than project bigger projects.
Yes. Not just changing light lighting or anything. Bigger projects. Yep. Go ahead. The role of Schneider you said Schneider Electric. So Schneider is a um the BPU basically has hired has um approved consultants that they say yes you know
you can work with these guys because we know they do the work that the way we want it done and they understand the program when the council selected them they're approved vendor from they're approved vendor so I think there's like 10 or 15 they said approved vendor so they have list of vendors
they do yep yep to the school e program which um you know can generate substantial savings, you know. So, everything like these lights are fluorescent, but many of the bulbs don't work, but they actually take a ton of electricity. They're lower
electricity than, you know, incandescent, but they still take a bunch. So, switching these to LED would be massive savings. But it's beyond lighting. It's also HVAC. Um, you know, it can be weatherization, insulation, so you're using less energy
because you're insulated. A lot of these buildings, the roofs, they're flat. they're not well insulated and um could even be leaky roofs as part of that. That's why that's just a cost that's not recovered in savings, but as you're doing the insulation, you would do the roof, but all the energy savings helps drives the savings. So, there's no cost
to the taxpayer for a roof they would have replaced anyway. So, it's definitely going to take time to kind of even get to the point. But what they what Schneider potentially maybe can do if we can get them all the information they need, they may be able by the end of the year to get us like this list of we think here's the big
projects you should focus on and here's how it can be financed and then we can look at it and make recommendations to the council about which one should be prioritized, you know, and we'll have information. This is the assessment is all done. It's covered so we don't have to pay anything for it. So, so Javon if this that
actually so this is something that now we didn't have this project at the last meeting. Now this project is something it involves a lot of you know walking through the building looking at recommendations. This might be something that you're interested in that be of super help or there's not to pressure you but just letting you know. So,
so yeah. So, we're working. We're moving and and working. Is that Schneider with an S Y or is it S N E? Yeah. S C H Schneider. S C H N E I D E R
install charging stations. No, Schneider. They do. Yes. They also are electric supplier. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly. I think their plan is a really good plan and I think it's going to give us a lot of information that we need because obviously we're not going to be able to
implement 30 to 50 projects, but we will be able to see what the cost estimate is, how long it needs to be financed for, how much money extra we might be standing to make, as well as how much energy we're going to save. And one really cool thing, they read our community energy plan. I thought that
was great. Anytime someone reads anything, any planning document, it makes me happy. Yeah. It gets you right there. It does. I'm like, "Thank you." Cuz it's like a lot of times I know it's like as a planner it's like you write all these planning documents. I'm like, "Does anyone read them?" So, yeah.
So, so we'll keep you posted. Julia. Okay. Very good. Yeah. That was all I had for Okay. Well, that completes new business. We're It's old business. Mhm. Um program. Stan, do you have anything on Leave the Leaves? Yes. So
I got the the video that the Cathas family produced. I sent it uh today in the afternoon. Uh it was produced along with my daughter. Daughter was uh asking questions and uh can you it's 5 minutes.
I think we can watch it right. Watch the big deal. Are you watched it? Yeah. Very good. Let's see. I found I have some notes. Maria I got pulled. You have sound. Yes. Give me one second here.
Echo. Having echo. Hang on. I like it. Um, interesting. Why is it not just playing there? High school. Okay, I need to lower my volume on my computer. Let's see.
We got water. [Music] [Music] Very nice. It's awesome. Really good. That was great. Stan, can you get me that video? I do. I
have that video now cuz I want to skip it to the environmental. Okay, can I walk? So, we want to post this on our environmental commission Facebook and website. Yeah. Right. Okay. I like it. I think it's super important.
It can also be sent in the email in the email blast. Oh, right. The email blast on website. I like it. Thank you. That's really cool. It came out great.
All right. I'll make a note to post on our website and social media and the email blast. Cool. All right. Uh, okay. You want to do the next item on the agenda? All right. That's um I'll skip the stuff.
I'll skip There's really nothing for skip the stuff. Last time I gave Stan some of the clings and the signs. Um, skip the stuff, Javon. this real quick is um we are we basically had these window clings made and signs that basically can go to takeout restaurants
that say we're not automat this restaurant is not giving you you know your straws and your napkins and condiments and all that if you want them you have to ask for them but they're not going to automatically just throw a bunch of stuff in the bag. Um, and so we're right now at the point of trying
to get businesses to do this to basically and we're going to give you a cling that says skip the stuff and anformational sign that says if you want this you have to ask for it or like Jersey Mike's for example, they just put everything on a table. So they won't give you a straw or ketchup or anything
but if you want it you can go get it. Um because basically there's this movement that shows there are hundreds of thousands of pounds of this stuff which is like condiment packets and uh plastic utensils and n that are just automatically thrown away with the bag.
Complete waste. So we're trying to get some of our businesses. So I gave some to Robin. She went to the Chamber of Commerce. I gave some to Stan. If anyone in frequents any places or knows anyone and thinks that they might want to participate, I'm happy to give you some of the clings and the signs, if the
restaurant chooses to do it, we ask that they take a picture of where they hung it up and then we're going to make a directory on our website that basically directs people like you, you know, here's restaurants that participate in this. So, it's kind of like another level of advertisement for them. Well, that's I had stopped in at the Jersey
Mike's on Cedar Grove. Oh, they should have it cuz they already have it in place. You can even take the pictures if you know it's there. It's there. It's there now. Good. Yeah. No, I'm saying I can give you the clean. I'll give it to you before we leave. Okay. If any Does anyone I'll go to my office before we leave and get them. If anyone wants them, just hang back.
Yeah. I I talked to the manager on that site on Cedar Grove. Yeah, that would be great. They were pleased about it. It also gives them something to report back to corporate how they're a good corporate citizen. And that helps the franchise to look good, but it also gives them some free
PR. That saves some money. They are a major sponsor for Ruters Athletics. Yes. Or or you're looking for them to accept it there as well.
Well, so technically that's in New Brunswick. Although I'm not opposed if they want one of our clings. I don't It doesn't matter to me. They can put it up there because you're right. If they do that in the stadium, you know, I I think that would be good. Yeah, for sure.
Okay, good idea. Okay, update on the um youth member. Anything happening, Ed, at the council level? Currently, there are not supposed to be any youth members on anything because
there's no rule for that. So, they're working on updating for a townshipwide policy, but I don't think it's like high on the list. So, I have to follow up with Bob. I think we've gotten that impression. Well, it'll be nice because the school year started already and we hope to have that already for this school year.
I mean, oh, that's the other thing I want to bring to that um we're going to be in in November we're going to award Cedar Grove school um you know, not not State of Grove, Pine Grove School and High School environmental achievement
awards. Oh, great. So, we just have to get the date. Tara was going to get the should be done at the end of the week. We'll do that at that council meeting again. Yes. Yeah. And um I got some nice emails. I called the board of ed and I got the superintendent of schools and somebody
else and they said, "Oh, we're interested, but could you add the high school?" Cuz Pine Grove had the highest number of points on sustainable Jersey. Nice. But the high school is in a different category and they've done stuff and they wanted so I said, "Sure." I mean, we
always have usually we have two plaques a year anyway, right? I don't think we did that though. No, only we decided on one plaque and then two runners up. The board was the one. But the board of ed came back and asked us if we would do one for the high
school and one for Pinerove. And I said, "Oh, I only had one plaque made for Pine Grove." And only one for Pine. Can you get one for the high school? Uh paid for it then. I can, but it's cuz we're doing the other plaque is for um the person, the individual person. Oh yes.
So I did I mean we can vote and if you want to get another plaque made only because I don't have it in the budget. That's Yeah, we could I'd like to do that. Also because Elizabeth Avenue school scored higher than the high school, right?
Yeah. Those were Pine Grove did also honor. That's why we had the one and then the two runner-ups and tell the high school plaque next year to get high school in gear category. Get their butts in gear. So Ryan, if you
want it next year, get your butt in gear. Yeah, I I you know, I'd like to do it. It's if you want to put it out. I mean, yeah. Listen, I don't have I just do what I'm told. Make sure we don't corrupt the program, you know.
We have setting the president by doing that. Yeah. Well, I'd like to get a vote. Okay. Ask for a vote on this. Uh Sure. Doing the the plaque for the high school. Can we have a certificate for the other
two schools? The coroner robs. I thought that's what was the plan was the certificate. Are we recognizing more than one school? No. No. Well, I think if you look at the the minutes I think in the minutes from the last meeting you mentioned that honorary there was request that came back from the
superintendent but I wouldn't okay well well I mean anybody can request no but this was different lending idea but not on a formal basis like I said let them get their butts in gear and maybe next year they'll get
Well, we get we give it a Do I have an honorable mention? No, we can make it an informal. It doesn't have to be a plaque. It can be a certificate as runners up. Oh, you mean that we would do this? I'm talking about But the high school is a separate category. They're not in the same category as the elementary schools.
But we only have two categories for the environmental commission. We have individual and organization. So from that viewpoint, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's what we talked about originally was should we give it to the school district as just like a home or we gave we ended up
No, we we we did zero in on the number of points because after all those who are really doing the job, it's not the board. These are the individual people in those schools. These are the teachers and they supported by they were one of the silver ones. The
bronzes were lower and there were silvers and this Pinerove had more points than any of the others. We should go with that's what we voted on last time for Pine Grove. Let me look at the minutes. Yeah, the minutes I believe say that the Pine Grove and then the two others as
the runners up that we might recognize them with certificates or something like that. We can do a certificate maybe for the high school. I don't even know if it says certificates if we're just recognizing them as as we certificate. We will give
the institutional award to only one school, Pine Grove Mayor, but we'll give honorable mention to the high school. And yeah, that's verbal. What did it say about the high school? Honorable mention. Honorable mention. Honorable mention. So when when Pine Grove is given the
plaque at the podium at the council meeting, whoever's giving it can also say, "And honorable mention goes to the high school and so and so because XY Z that way." All right. Sounds good. Yeah. So, a certificate or no, we're talking about it was a certificate for
the high school. Are you saying certain certificate or no? I wasn't saying certificate. I mean, do you want to give up uh prepare of some sort of
certificate for the runners up mention? We only have the one plaque. I'll have to go back to them and let them know. Well,
what do you what So, what are they thinking? That they're going to get black. They think they're going to get an award. Yeah. So, then give them a certificate. We can give them a certificate. Yeah, we give them a certificate. It'll just be something that like we print up. Is that okay? Okay. Yeah. All
right. Cool. I mean, because the the plaques I already had ordered, like I said though, it's like I can't just like I can't like just order a new plaque without getting like the the you know, the go-ahad basically. Yeah. Just
tell them that that it's now logistically Yeah. Okay. That's a good way. possible to prepare a second plaque. Okay. All right. Well, I asked Anmarie to get us on the agenda and I the plaques will be in at the end of the
week. So, we're we're in good shape. I haven't reached out. Well, I know you reached out to the school. I haven't reached out to Jessica, so it's up to Do you want to do that? Jessica? Who's Jessica? Johnson. I didn't talk to her. I got I got the I have to look at my my email.
Okay. If you want to reach out or I can make a submit a letter, it's up to you guys. If I if I can bring it up here for board event, do you want to just reach out to her and let her know this way? Yeah, you have to get better to get her
to want to have her to the meeting. Somebody at the meeting from the high school. Yeah. Okay. No, no. Jessica is getting the individual award. Oh, she's Oh. Oh, that's the one from Yes. Okay. or I can reach out to her.
Either one. Yeah. Okay. All right. That's it then for that. Okay. And the November meeting that uh presentation is when it's what the date normally do the second meeting. Second meeting. Let me look cuz I know the date. I Let
me check the date. I'll see you next time. Bye Maria. Have a good night. See you later. It's mine. Oh, thank you so much. Thanks. Uh we are on then for November 25th.
[Music] [Applause] Repent. True. Okay. Yep. So, okay. Sounds good. There we go. All right. You want to go to the next item, Paul? Actually, the
next item is just the other old business. Yeah. Okay. Any other old business? No. Okay. No, no other old business. Uh there's no public left to comment on,
so we'll skip that and we'll make a motion to adjurnn. So wait wait wait wait. So did we want to have any um presentation about um u composting?
I thought Ellen said she's going to work on it. She's going to work on putting it together resources work better with no deadline and what exactly you want. As we are looking through resources, can we set up a date? Maria and Ellen talked about this before
at the meeting. Ellen is going to get her like they're going to talk before Thanksgiving. Yeah. Try to do something before Thanksgiving. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Cuz deadline, right? It was like deadline. I need a deadline. No, it makes sense. Okay. Okay. So, we can adjourn now, I think,
then Paul. Okay. Meeting adjourned. Awesome.