The meeting of the Franklin Township Environmental Commission is called pursuant to the provisions of the open public meetings law. Meeting of December 15th was included on the list of meetings notice advertising local newspapers posted on the B board in the
municipal building posted on the website posted as required notes under statute. In addition, a copy of this notice has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the municipal clerk. Okay, that's the opening. That's
the open. Um, we'll do the roll call. >> Walter >> here. >> Arnold >> here. >> Marie is not here. Robert's not here. Andrew.
>> Oh, no. Arnold Smith. I had said okay and Ted. Yeah. Um >> present. >> Stan >> present. >> I think that's everybody. I got everybody and me.
>> Okay. Robin's absent. And um I don't know if you all know, >> but Edaznik lost his mother this week. >> Yeah. Council >> Pataznik. >> Yeah. She uh I think the funeral was Friday.
>> So So I have a little bit of a chair report. It's mainly discussing what's going on with site plans that we have worked on. The court appeal process of the B9 application continues. On
Thursday, December 18th, Judge Min has scheduled a case management meeting to discuss the conditions and the positions of the township and the applicant. Um, another one. The application to dis construct a mosque on South Mbush Road
has run into difficulty. The application does not match the more expansive description on the website. The application says that only Friday services would be held, but the website describes the full schedule of school and weekday activities. This would
change the traffic study and the parking, etc. the application needs to be redone or the website needs to change. Um, and that's that's that's not good. >> I have a question for you on that. Yeah. >> Is the web when you say the website
>> their website >> they have they have a website. >> What about their what does their application say? >> Just that they have Friday services. >> Okay. >> And this one talks about weekday school and meetings and all the other stuff you would expect, but the application
doesn't do any of that. lose their application that matters. >> Well, but the the planning board said it's confusing. The application isn't accurate if the website is accurate. >> Let's put it this way. It's suspicious if you have advertisement like this.
Even though it's not part of the application, but it's part of due diligence. >> Yes. >> Planning board. Sure. They say, "Hey, you are advertising this and you are telling us that." >> That's exactly what happened. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, the other one that I was going to mention is the Ukrainian church
application that subdivide Davidson Eastern Avenue lot to construct a warehouse. The parishioners are opposed to it. And >> which one is this? >> The Ukrainian church. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The the congregants are not in favor of
it and they've been turning out in um in big numbers to oppose it. H the u um the leadership wants the money to redo this, make a new cultural center, that kind of thing. I don't know where that's going. Um also, I want to
wish the commission members and volunteer a merry Christmas and happy new year. I will be back in Franklin on January 20th. I also want to thank the commission for voting me onto the open space advisory committee. I'm looking forward to doing that.
>> Excellent. says Robins vacated and noted that two other commission chairman are on the open space also. So it makes sense that we that we have somebody there. So that's my opening remarks. Um next would be approval of the minutes
from December 1st. >> Motion to approve. Motion approved. >> Second. >> Any changes, modifications? I just um there was probably misunderstanding of my report uh about the
inspection of the stream cleanups. Uh when I said that there is a garbage within 20 ft of any road, I made a roads not just crossings. >> Okay? >> Because crossing would
Look like we have garbage only doing crossings, but it's everywhere. >> But it's crossings where we clean up. >> No. >> Well, I mean, in the sense that we're doing stream cleanups.
>> Yes. >> So, the the garbage from any road is we clean up when it's at a stream crossing. >> Yes. Yes. My my message was that when I inspect cleanliness, I noticed that
around all roads is garbage. And that that's what I wanted to say. Even though for the purposes of uh stream cleanup, uh it's kind of unrelated, but >> well, it's also because when you have a stream, then you have
some natural habitat on either side of it, and that's where people throw things, not under people's lawns. Mhm. >> You know, land that looks like nobody is watching over it is where garbage is thrown.
>> Well, this is nuance. This is nuance. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, we can change it to say >> I'd like to hear more. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, um, with that, um,
modification, um, look for a motion to accept the minutes. All in favor? >> I, >> um, public comment. We can, um, >> motion to open to the public. Second. >> All in favor? >> I I
>> You have anything you want to say? >> Motion to close to the public. Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. >> I don't have any correspondence. I didn't go into the mail room. I still for eight months I've been trying to get a key to our mailbox. Oh.
>> So I come to the um um the gate the clerks and they all know me by now and they say no we don't have the key and Marie says no we don't have the key. So they open the box for me and see what's there. I didn't do that with this weather today. >> Oh that's okay. >> So indeed you have any correspondence?
>> I don't have any correspondence either. >> Okay. >> Um site plan. You did give me one to review. Was that last time or this time? >> That was the last time. This time I didn't give you any to review because I knew you were sick. So Ted reviewed. Oh, okay. The one that you had did before. >> You had already reviewed it before.
>> You reviewed it before? Yeah. Due to Davidson, right? >> Oh, one I did one on Howard Avenue 653 something. >> Oh, you did 655. Okay, hang on. Um, give me one second here,
>> Davidson. Oh, did I give you one for review this time, Paul? You gave me Oh, I did give you one this time. Okay, Davidson, I gave you a little report. You're up. Okay, I got your report. You're up. I have the map up for Davidson to start. So, we have we have a few site plans. We haven't had site plans in a while, but this time we have
a few resubmissions. So, this is the Davidson properties that Paul was 30, I think, something like that. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Um, I looked at what we had said last time and I read over the uh environmental thing and lo and behold,
they put in no idlength signs and they put in a bike rack. So, that was something that wasn't there originally. Um, the the line is very narrow as I remember. >> I'll show it in one sec. I'm just going to get the previous memo up. >> Yeah. >> So, that we can know what we're looking
at here. Yeah, this one. Let me just get the memo up. The last hire was July. Okay. >> Yeah. >> No. >> Yeah. It's a very narrow lot. 230. >> That's a lot. >> Yeah. Our first comment was about buffering that there should be some
buffering. In reality, there was no room for a buffer, but they they've moved the boundary of the building about 2 feet inward. So now there's a little strip where you get trees in there. I doubt it, but you could get shrubs and those kinds of things. So that's what I I
changed the memo to uh to say that. But it's really there's not a lot of room. >> Okay. So buffering. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Oh, there it is. That's what I said. Okay. >> That's what you said. Yeah. >> And I said keep the solar recommendation
and the tree commendation stays intact. And it's it's really not practical in this in with with a twoft spread trees are going to not not really survive. >> Build a 20ft wall
>> for a buffer. >> Yeah. >> So your only major comment is really you would like to see more buffering in that area, >> right? I mean we we we keep saying it. Um but uh practically I think they do what they can do.
So more buffering. Okay. Besides what? Well, I remember going and looking at this property and saying when you consider what's next door, why bother with buffalo? >> Yes. >> It's a parking lot.
>> Well, the parking lot on one side and there's >> similar establishment on the other side. Yeah. >> Yeah. Big shed. And >> that's why that's why I made the comment that I did. It's really not, you know, >> but the anti- islanding signs and the bike racks has been added in.
>> That's been added in. Yeah. >> Uh you want to keep the recommendation in about the solar or green roof. What do we got? >> That that doesn't do anything. But yeah, it's fine. >> Okay. And then >> that's it. >> That's it. >> Yeah. There was only five recommendations
>> because they I couldn't remember. So they're under the impervious coverage allowance. So yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So that's Davidson resubmission. This is I think the third resubmission on this. >> All right. So, thank you. Um, thanks Paul. Ted, do you want to do the one
that you did? 60 655 Miz LLC. I'm going to get it up on the map now. So, if you want to talk about what you remember while I wait here >> again was the second round, I think. >> Yeah. And my main
and they did submit a long letter uh commenting on all of the comments that had been made mainly by the engineer and some by Mark Healey and some by us. They
said that they have um charging stations and no idling signs, but I could not see them on the plans. Huh. Okay. >> And no idling signs. I mean, there's no
you you can't miss. I mean, >> this was the previous memo that we had to them. Okay. Let me get this up on the map. 6 65 Howard Avenue. Okay. That's why it's coming up weird. >> Okay. 665 Howard.
>> Right. That says Washington. >> Yeah, cuz it's 665 Howard Avenue. Okay. There we go. It's a It's a slightly strange property. There's an existing building surrounded by pavement, >> right?
>> And then this odd tail off to the east, which they're not making any use of on one of the questions. And you can see here that some of it looks like a gravel area, but they they were rather vague
about whether it had impervious surface. And the engineer commented that it was not clear whether that that tail was included in the imperous surface assessment. Well, they're proposing to
put in a lot of what they want to do is have an addition on the front just to sort of increase the warehouse size. But where you see those trucks now, they're going to have
lawn and some trees planted there. This is a property that is actually going to get under 60% impervious >> and there will be car parking off at the lower left corner as we see
it here in the in the on the screen and trees there. So there was some not entirely clear how many trees they have. I guess in an earlier version they
had 40 and they were bugged about that and I think they now have 47 but I was not accountable. >> Okay. >> Oh yeah. Our comment in the last one the plans are unclear as to how many trees are proposed for removal and replacement. So you feel like they did
they detailed that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> They say that they have 47. I I did not count count them. I admit, but I sort of commented that they really ought to remove the impervious surface in the the
tail lot. And the plan does not propose removal of any trees because in the main lot there are no trees. There was nothing but pavement. So they're actually reducing the amount of pavement
a fair amount. the the addition would be where there is now uh pavement. So, >> are they going to just on that little bump out in the lower left hand corner? Are they just going to extend that bump out there?
>> Here, you mean? >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Where are they putting the extension here? Or is it on front here with >> No, it's it's it's well on what's the left side of the main building and further up >> like here. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Well, from from there up to the top >> of the top still existing building is about where the >> got it >> the addition. So, and then they'll have a very narrow bio retention basin
running along the front of all of that. >> So, are there going to be docking stations on the left side? On >> there'll be some docking stations on the left side. I guess the extension won't go quite as far up as the main the
building that you see and they will have some docking space up at that end of the the addition. >> So in the previous memo just to be sure everything so we had recommended the solar warehouse did they or not
recommended they were required to do the solar warehouse. Did you remember seeing that? >> Something I'm trying to It seems to me I had seen something about Mark saying that at most they could be asked for solar ready for
the addition. >> Oh, because I think >> also the addition even though they're adding it to the existing building. >> No. >> Okay. All right. Um, the EV charging stations, you're saying that Mark is saying that they're on the plan, but you
couldn't find them that Well, >> no, the and their engineers letter says >> Oh, says it's there. Got it. Okay. So, I'll double check that. >> Pretty vague about it. I suspect they're not there on double check. They're not there on the plan.
>> What about antiing signage? Did you see any? >> There were no antiing signs shown. >> Okay. It would be very easy to show where those would be where the >> bays loading bays are. So,
>> all right. and the trees they addressed. And >> and I have a concern about the detention basin and the trees uh whether all of the trees that they propose there like tupelos and just
ordinary red maples. If you have a detention basin, it assumes it fills up with water some of the time. And >> some trees can stand the roots going anorobic for 48 hours or more and some
can't. It's just so they should check whether their trees are all good for having wet feet and it was going to be absolutely crowded. I would
suggest that they plant more reduce the number of trees in the basin and plant some out in the tail of lot. >> Okay. >> Increase the the forestation of that and the aerial seems to show very few trees on it.
>> Okay. >> Did you say that they plan on planting trees in the basin? >> Yes. >> And and and what kind of trees? Uh, well, I remember they had red maple and they had tupalo. I I don't
>> I think willow would be more correct for something like that. >> No, exactly. >> We can make that comment in there though for sure. >> I think there are too many trees and they're not really adapted for planting in a basin.
>> Right. Okay. And one of the I expanded a little bit by saying, >> "Yeah, the the rules say that the basin has to be empty by the end of 72 hours, but with the way climate change is
going, we can't assume that this can always be." >> You're right. You're right. >> All right. Thank you, Ted. I think that >> those That's >> I got what I said. I think it's all on the account. Yeah,
>> I have actually a comment and and this is something along the lines of being added to our checklist because u uh we are facing the high electricity
prices. Uh one of the uh priorities for the new governor will be solar energy plus energy storage. M >> and I think what we should include in the recommendation every time checking whether they have a backup generator and
in le of backup generator we would rather recommend that they have energy storage the battery energy storage >> and coupled with the solar because when you have both then it works as a backup generator. >> Yeah. M
>> um and it's green generator and while backup generator is idle like doing nothing for most of the time the batteries can be used to arbitrage peak and off peak because now um the
distributed energy resources are legal and they could potentially use the extra energy capacity uh to get extra revenue on on the energy storage. >> Okay.
>> So, and so this would apply to any application from now on I would suggest. >> Um >> Okay. Um yes. So what we can do is we can write up a blurb for it. Um do you want to like
write up the blurb or you want me to write it up and and share it with you and see what you think? Um, what do you think? >> It's up to you. I mean, if you feel like you know off the top of your head exactly what you want written, then or I can, you know,
>> I can I can draft something. >> Okay. Just like a sentence or two and then we can put it in our list of blurbs and then that's what we use when we put together our our reports and we'll put on the checklist. Yep. Yep. >> Cool. That works.
>> Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I think that's a good point. I think that's a really good point. >> Um, we have one more. >> Oh, >> hold on one second. I'm just writing something here on my list. Okay, so easy. This one's yours. 339 Elizabeth Avenue.
>> Yeah, the gas station. >> Yes. Did you send me a uh Did you do the green Land Development? >> Did you just >> Okay. I can't You didn't just send me just the email, right? >> No, I >> Okay. >> Alrighty. Uh what's the name of it? Sing and
cower. Yep. >> Yeah. >> I must not have saved it yet. All right. Bear with me for one sec. Um All right. I just saw you come up there, too. >> And I saw Here it is. Is this it from EZ? Yes.
Okay. All right. So this is Yeah. 339 Elizabeth A. >> That's a research. You go to >> page again. Another one. >> Yeah. Can you go scroll down if you don't mind? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There it's Yeah. It's a conversion. So it's it's a
um gas station. They have an existing maintenance garage, but they now want to convert it into a convenience store. >> So they're trying to do a lot of cleanup and you know some of stuff around it. So some landscaping, some signages, EV charging station. uh they asking for C1C
variance and that was I think that's all taken care of but I think um uh based on S terra's memo there were three things we asked him to do we asked him to um plant native trees LED lighting and one
more thing I forget >> um let me go to the previous memo sing and cower >> is this the one on Elizabeth Avenue >> cedar cedar >> so we had yeah LED lighting should be used where feasible for all outdoor lighting. They should be se shielded
down. Uh we recommend native and or pollinator species for the proposed shrubs and that they provide a list of amendments to us. So it was just those two comments. So the LED lighting did you see? >> They have the LED. So if you go to page number two, >> okay, >> of my report.
>> Yep. They have they have put the LED lighting the thumb halopane and they're using it well. >> In terms of planting schedule they have demonstrated uh they're doing they're putting up the shrubs but only four of the seven are native to New Jersey. The
rest aren't. >> So in my recommendations I gave them link to a site where it talks about what are what species are native to New Jersey and hopefully they will try to you know accommodate that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think that's my recommendation. >> Awesome. Any other comments or no? Oh,
>> just as an aside, um they were in front of the planning board last Wednesday. >> Yep. >> And I was at the meeting the hearing and they got a real rough time in front of the planning board last week. It did not go well for them. Although they're
scheduling another meeting for I think February, I think. >> Emanuel, pardon me. Why? >> Gas station I've ever seen in my life. >> Danielson was there, right? >> Denn was there as well. >> Yeah, Joe was there and uh he stood up
and he gave a lot of comments. He lives in the neighborhood on one side and his >> business office is on Elizabeth Avenue pretty much across the street. >> Um but Mark Healey was asking questions of I think it was the planner. Pretty simple questions. Well, the the planner
asked, you know, made statements and Mark asked him questions about his statements and the guy couldn't back up the statements that he made about the site. >> The site's a mess. There's all sorts of abandoned cars and that kind of stuff. >> Yeah. Notice >> Well, I mean, that can be cleaned up,
but they just I mean, they just weren't answering questions, simple questions that were being asked of them. Although, >> I was looking at it. I was thinking there's new houses right behind it there. Nice new residential houses and a
comment was made about how the house right next door behind it wouldn't like having that convenience store there. And to me, if I live there, I would rather have a convenience store than a auto mechanic shop where you have power drills and everything going off and on.
And if you want to go at 10:00 at night to get a stack, you can go right next door. Um, but those are just minor reasons there, but there was just a lot of push back from the planning board and uh I think the applicant's going to have to do a lot better in the next hearing.
>> The zoning board. >> I think you mean the zoning board. >> You're right. It was the zoning board. I'm sorry. You're right. Yeah, it was. >> I didn't remember that. >> No, no, it was the zoning board cuz cuz um uh Bob was uh the uh chair. That's right. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's interesting, huh? >> Yeah. There was there was opposition from the from the the board itself. >> Yeah. I mean, the they had cars lined up on cedar on the on the sidewalk on the road and they now have uh entrances and exits on that side, but they're going to
have only entrances and exits on Elizabeth Avenue. >> Um it's a small plot. um really small and they're um trying to squeeze stuff in there that it's it's already I guess it's zoned for residential.
>> That's the difference, >> right? And they're, >> you know, >> Yeah. my my biggest concern, it's a small place >> and if people are going to mess it up more, it's going to be so disgustingly dirty. >> Well, I think that was one of the things
that was brought up was that it is a mess. The current owner has been there for I think 12 years and they haven't cleaned it up. So they were saying, "Well, what makes you think that they're going to clean it up if they what makes you think they're going to clean it up if they change the retail?" >> Right.
>> Yeah. But I have a question. >> Oh, go ahead. >> Since this is a gas station that they're refurbishing to a convenience store, >> not the gas station entirely, the m the >> gas station still going. Okay. Cuz I was wondering if they had to decommission,
you know, the fuel tank, the underground. They would have to if they were, but they're keeping the gas station. >> I just wanted Yeah, cuz you know, you don't abandon in place the tank. >> Absolutely. Y >> done. And they didn't have enough parking places also. They were way below
the amount of parking places that were required. >> That's it for site plan unless anyone has any. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> That wasn't too bad, right? I just want to observe that you know with the concern about flooding and
climate change maybe on our checklist we should have them >> say you ask the question is this part of a flood zone >> we do that is on our checklist it is we review the maps for floodprone areas and yes
>> and they address that yes or no >> if it's if they're in a flood zone they have to address it with engineering so engineering will do the storm more like the calculations of what needs to be done. But on our checklist, that's one of the items. Is it in the zone? Yep. And yeah, we do look at that.
>> Probably was not or >> no. The anject seems to think that environmental commission should be reviewing all of the storm water stuff. >> I know. Yeah. >> We don't get it. It just
>> we don't. It really just goes to our engineer and they make sure the calculations are correct. We we have looked at storm water reports in the past. Some of them are super lengthy, some are easy, and it's like, you know, we could absolutely make recommendations on them if we want, but our engineer is
one who does all the verifying of the calculations and that the rules are being followed. So, we kind of like defer to them for that. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So up to new business and I see the item which was mentioned last
meeting about a commissioner and murders. >> Yeah. So Robin brought up at the last meeting and we didn't get into it in a lot of detail because we didn't have a lot of people here. Um but what her her thought was and I think it's a good one
too is to make a committee like we have like the site plan committee and we have basically like one of our volunteer committees. So it wouldn't be appointed commissioners anymore, but commissioners that have served in the past and maybe they only meet a few times a year to kind of like go over, you know, for
advisory or even just to kind of like keep them as ambassadors of the EC. So we meet with them, give them maybe like present the annual report to them. Um, if we have a project that we like are looking for guidance or help or thoughts on, we can, you know, and it's not like they are going to meet at a, you know,
designated intervals. like when we need them or when we would like to present it to them like probably once a year maybe. So that was her idea. I thought it was a good one, you know, but >> and if we're going to get into some of these other things like green building council, we're going to need help.
>> Mhm. And I think that um uh these members can still attend regular meetings. They would just not be counted as a >> they can't vote but >> correct. Yes. >> In any capacity even as a backup quorum. So, >> no. I mean, they'd have to be part of
the public session. Like, they could they'd have to follow the same rules as like public >> members. No, you need that one. I don't >> Yeah. >> So, we need a motion to do that. >> Well, I figure we just put it on for discussion. I don't know if anyone feels
the same that they would like to proceed with that or not. >> So, would this include people from the past? like uh >> it's only people. Yeah, only people from the past. >> Okay. >> And we could ask who. It's not I don't think that she meant opening it up. I
mean, we could send it to every past environmental commissioner that we know and see who's interested or we could ask a few people that have been, you know, that we are interested in maybe serving on this committee. >> Yeah. >> You know, how we go about it is really up to you guys. Will that uh committee
have um answers to room here? >> Um oh yeah, they could meet here. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Yep. I mean my from my perspective, I don't think it really matters so much like say uh say some say Robin was a commissioner of Mereditis
and she came to a meeting as soon as next year starts. So she can absolutely come to any meeting. I don't think that they're all going to sit at the table with us with the current commissioners like just like I mean Jenny sits there same kind of thing but when we have like say when Jenny works on a project and she volunteers on something like you
know she can come use this meeting we can help her give re so same kind of thing I think that's how it would work >> be subcommittee of the commission >> correct yes y >> I was envisioning that that person would have a little bit higher level of say
than public Well, that we don't really have like a mechanism for that. Like in terms of like our ordinance, it's like we don't really have a way to have someone be like in but you know. >> So here's one thing. Let me back up. We could recommend changing our ordinance
to have someone be kind of like a um like a commissioner ameritus can be kind of like an advisor role, right? and that they're a non- voting member but they're like appointed and all that but we changed the ordinance to do that which is not a big deal but it takes time. Um
an ameritus can also just be a subcommittee of this committee which we are allowed to appoint or you know on our own without going through the council appointing them as a volunteer. >> That's the easier way public volunteer. >> That's the easier easier way to do it. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> No. >> But not that we can't do it the other way. I had maybe this is just my impression. I sort of she felt that she was thinking of the the retired
commissioners having their own little separate meetings to discuss recommendations. I mean, you know, more general recommendations. >> Right. >> Right. That's how I thought of it, too. But the way I took it was like the
they're not going to meet regularly. You didn't get that impression. Right. Exactly. Right. Right. Okay. So, we're really >> they felt right. >> Yeah. >> They can meet also virtually technically. >> Oh, yeah. They could meet virtually. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. >> There's no there's no ordinance saying
what they have to do. >> Well, one thing I will say, so say we wanted them to help out with this lead project, right? a commissioner and myself or myself or a commissioner but we can't just like they are going to need to understand why they're meeting.
So someone is going to have to be there >> to present to them to talk to them. So it might require like one of us or a few of us >> to be at the meeting to be like >> right >> little leazison. >> Correct. Yeah. That's not a bad idea and
we will need help if we're going to do this and this is a good way to do it and keep them involved. You know, that's not a bad idea. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if you guys want to think about it more, if you want to talk about maybe like trying to form the committee. If so, I just kind of need
direction on do you want me to try and like get the names of everyone that was on the commission up until like a certain time and reach out to everyone? Do we want to talk about specific people or do you want to send me your recommendations for specific people? I'm not sure, you know.
>> Well, I send the minutes to when I remember I'm a bit behind on it to uh I think now seven former commissioners. >> Oh, great. So, you have a good list going. Okay. Okay, that's good. >> Who's on your list? Well, Dave Triggs,
of course, and Diane Mary Louco. >> Okay. >> He was on the commission. >> Okay. >> Reswan Reswan. Yeah, I know. >> Uh Jenny
>> Krishna. >> Krishna. Yeah, I'm having trouble remembering the last name. Um, see that's five. Who else? Seal Macyver who obviously couldn't participate
but might send advice. >> Yeah, you could. So, you got those seven. You got Robin and Jessica. >> That That's the two I was thinking. >> Those are two. >> Oh, Jessica. Jessica. >> I think you've got you've got a committee. >> Yeah. I think we were we didn't know it,
but we actually have a committee. >> Yeah. >> Well, they functioning. Yeah. at the function. Well, >> well, it depends how interested they are. >> I haven't heard much back from >> Well, you know, when you send the
minutes out to them this time, you might put an inquiry in with the seven. Are they interested in doing? >> Oh, yeah. >> I think that's the way to handle it. >> And see what kind of response we get. >> Yeah, >> sounds good.
>> I guess just cuz we say, "Hey, it would be good." They may not, you know. >> Right. >> So, >> so I guess do so you want us to move forward. Ted and I can work on this together. Moving forward and see what happens. Everyone agrees. Yeah.
>> Yes. And I would need a motion just >> if if they agree to be on that emmeritus committee then >> then we'll do a motion and do it for them. >> And and we can have them listed as a committee on our website. >> Sure. Sure. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Acknowledgement that Yeah. We could do
that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So B is the meeting calendar which you gave to everybody. >> So here's the thing. I thought I'm glad Stan that you you recognize this. I thought that we approved this meeting calendar. We did not approve the meeting calendar.
>> So we have to go through it now. Now if you look at the meeting calendar, I'm going to put it on the screen. There are some you'll see that I'm like, we need to change this. We need to look at this. So I want to go through that so we can post it. Uh January 5th would be our only meeting in January because of
Martin Luther King Day. So in the past we've only been meeting once in January. That's what we've been doing. We can look into the following week of January after Martin Luther King Day if you want or we can just stick to the January 5th. >> Well, um another now's a good time to to
discuss another thing. I'm not going to be here January 5th. I'll be in Florida. >> Mhm. So we should have a um I'll I'm I'll be back January 20th. >> Meet you. I'm back on 20th too from India. I'm going to India. >> Oh go India. Very nice. >> Okay.
>> So So we will need a a co-chair a vice chair to run the meeting. And my recommendation after some consultation is to have Stan become the vice chair. And I don't know if we need a motion to do that. I think we do.
>> That we would need a motion for. Yes. Yes. We would need a motion. >> As chairman, I'll use my prerogative to introduce a motion uh to nominate and elect Stan as the vice chair. >> I'll second that. >> Look at this.
>> And all in favor? >> I don't. >> Okay. So, Stan, you're now designated as the vice chair. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> My privilege to serve as a vice chair. >> This is a good place to put it.
>> Yes. And now you'll run the next meeting which is on January 5th apparently. So yes, good job. >> You have my phone number. You got my email. Anything you want in between you know how to get a hold of me. >> Tara, can you send me the kind of the script?
>> Sure. Absolutely. >> Oh yeah. You you need that opening statement which I didn't have this time either. >> Yeah, I'll I'll get everything ready for you. >> Good. >> Uh so January 5th then we just want to keep the January 5th. >> Might as well. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> but you but but easy won't be here. You
won't be here. >> You're still a five. >> What's difficult about January and this is another difficulty is that sometimes our first meeting date would be before the council reorganization meeting and
we really can't >> meet before that because that's when people are appointed. >> Right. You're right. So our people if they're if they're not appointed, >> don't they just keep their slots until they're unappointed or
>> Well, you have to be sworn in each year, right? >> Well, if these terms expire and then you get Yeah. Person like Well, >> yeah, I guess it does say it expires at a certain date. >> The end of the year. >> Yeah.
>> January. When are they Oh, why can't I get in here? Do you know when the next meeting is, Ted, off the top of your head yet? >> Well, I don't know when >> I saw something. >> I was trying to find out. That's why I was juggling um my when I was coming back, >> but >> Oh, they don't have the dates on there
yet. >> You know, we could solve things by having the one meeting be later in >> We could do that, too. Let me just check one thing because I think Anthony might have sent >> the 26th would be pretty late, but you
would be back. >> Yeah. Or you could do it on >> Oh, wait. Hold on. 2025 township meeting schedule. Hold on. I have it right here. So, I'll tell you. >> January 3rd is the first meeting. So, technically, yeah, they >> Saturday. That's 2025. You
>> No, they meet on Saturday. January 3rd. >> Really? >> They've met on a Saturday before, too. Yeah. say Saturday 1:00 that's the >> reorg when they're it's after an election.
Even though in this case it's all the same people but uh they make more of a thing of it and an even numbered year after the election an oddnumbered year >> then we are good on fifth. >> So on the fifth and then the fifth only
>> on the fifth. >> Okay. >> So let's let's keep it as the fifth then and nothing else. That work for everybody? >> Yep. >> All right. So that's fine. February there's a change here for everyone to notice. So, we're going to meet on the 2nd and the 23rd. So, the 19th, I guess,
is when we would normally No, 16th. >> The 16th >> is when we would normally meet, but that's President's Day. >> Ah, so that's we've done this before. >> Yes. >> Then we're all good until July, but I just want to let everyone know I won't be here on July 6th. You can still meet without me, of course. >> Yes. We're going from in in February.
We're going the last Monday in February, and then a week later, we're meeting again in March. >> We don't. Yes. Now, if you only want to meet once in February, that's your prerogative. You don't have to meet twice in February, but I just moved it to the following one because that's what we've done. That's what we did in the past.
>> And we've done that before where you get the last one and then the next week. It's happened. >> So, July, then we're all normal through July. July 6th, I won't be here though, just so everyone's aware. Um, then in September is where we have
some issues. So September 7th is supposed to be our first meeting, but that's Labor Day. So I kept all these dates up here for a reason. September 21st is Yamapour. >> So I won't be there for that. >> Right. Yeah. >> September 28th is a potential meeting
date that we could use, but then we run into again what Arie said before, which is we meet the 28th and then we're going to end up meeting one week later on October 5th. >> So what are you guys thoughts? We can't meet on September 7th because it's Labor Day. What we have done before is uh
August 31st. >> Um >> what happened to the 14th? >> Yeah, I was wondering >> the 14th September >> is just the second the second uh I didn't list all the dates down. This we could do the 14s but that's the second
check whether some other committees in this room then. >> Yeah the advisory >> and Arie will be there right >> that's a JFK. >> Yeah. So the second mostly yeah >> the second Monday typically is bad. It usually doesn't work.
>> The 21st is our normal meeting but that's Yamapour. So but that's our normal meeting date. So um now the 28th that's the 4th Monday. We could do that if you want to meet twice in September or we can just meet once in September on the 21st.
>> You know I'm thinking that depending on what we have to do we can make that decision in September. We can but I have to advertise it Marie. So we can advertise the two dates and cancel and then cancel. Okay.
>> So we can advertise the 21st and 28th and then even at that meeting of the 21st if we decide there's no reason to meet on the 28th I can cancel it. >> So do you want to do that? So we'll just advertise. So let me take that off. Okay. >> Right. So August 31st is not good or
>> August 30 instead of what? Instead of >> instead of 7th we have done it before because it's fifth week and nobody will schedule anything there. >> So we can do that. I don't know how everyone's vacation schedule works and then we have three meetings in August.
So we would normally not meet three times. >> We have done that though. >> We have. >> Yeah, >> we have. >> And they would still be two weeks apart. >> They would still be two weeks apart. But do you want to meet three times in August is the question. Absolutely. >> I don't like I do not.
>> It's only in number because if we are not meeting on se September 7th, then it's >> it is but it's August fan. That's like fun time. >> No, >> that's time for fun. It's a real Well, it's only in the evening of a couple of hours. It's
>> Yeah. Well, we can schedule it and cancel it >> if you want. We could put it on the schedule and we can uh cancel it. >> We can be flexible if we need to be. >> Yeah. Do you want me to add it in as a potential meeting date? August 31st. >> I will definitely August 31st
>> 202 and then not meet again. >> You're making me happy. Okay. >> All right. thinking about it that you're making me unhappy. Keep that in your mind. >> But the new voice chair is wielding his tower. >> Oh my goodness. >> To his head already.
>> Seriously, he's like making us work in the last day of the summer. >> I think this might be a coup as a matter of >> All right. No, but Ted is right. It's a lot easier to cancel it than to if we wanted to schedule it, then we have to go through. So, we'll put it on and we'll decide in August. If for some
reason it's super slow and we don't want to meet, we won't. Okay. All right. >> So then we're normal through October, November, December, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So you just show me April again. >> Yes. April 6th and 20th. >> Yeah, that's straightforward.
>> I probably won't be around the 20th, but >> you know what? >> I know. When is the country? >> Easter is >> um >> April 5th.
>> Oh, also that's Monday after that's Easter Monday. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't matter. >> He's talking about April. >> I didn't even know it was a thing. Yeah. I haven't. >> So, can we vote and approve this schedule and then I can post it with um Ann Marie? It should finish all month.
>> We did. So, then moving forward if right after September it's our normal schedule. First and third Monday. >> No changes there. >> At least that Franklin day yet? >> Not that I know of. No. >> I have to bring in cookies or something.
>> It'll be Saturday anyway. >> Really? >> October 19th my birthday. >> Oh. Oh, >> 85. That'll be a big one. >> Good for you. >> That's great. >> That's great. We got to remember that, guys.
>> I didn't know about when I got on the commission that on your birthday, you have to bring cookies. >> You're supposed to bring cookies for everybody else. >> Yes, Easy brought cookies, guys, for everybody if you're interested. >> That's what is today's birthday. October. >> Did it just for fun? and a little bit
blur on why am I advocating for August 31st because we have events in September including uh that day and it's better for us to to discuss it beforehand. So because if if we don't have that one and
and have meeting on 21st and 28th it's kind of too late for for the Franklin because it's typically around that time. >> That's okay. >> All right. So I acknowledge that it's it's a summer. So >> I get it. We're good. We're good. Stan
that as well. >> Okay. Do we need a motion to >> motion to approve the 2026 meeting schedule? >> So in >> favor I >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. Okay.
>> Excellent. >> Um Okay. to shoot potential partnership opportunities with the Laura Brton Watershed Partnership. >> Um, so I met with Heather Fenick. Oh yeah. >> Last week. >> I just want to get this up here because
if I don't I will forget to be bad. All right. I met with Heather Fenick last week because we talked at the ANJ conference about she was interested in seeing if there was any way that she could kind of work with us, the Lower Raritin Watershed Partnership could work
with us um in advancing any of our projects doing community engagement. Was there anything that maybe we could work on? So, um I talked to her specifically about this lead cities cohort and that there would definitely be some work involved there in terms of potentially
um education and outreach. I also talked about the storm water utility cuz they actually helped New Brunswick create their storm water utility. >> So, they said that they can definitely put together some type of proposal about how they could help us with research, with marketing, with community
education. So, I told her, "Yes, please send us a proposal and we'll review it." So she said in the new year she'll send us a proposal. But I think in terms of how they can really really help us is the storm water utility because they've done it and they've done it effectively. New Brunswick is up and running.
>> Would they be in a position to do feasibility study for us? >> I think so potentially. So she's kind of looking to see what resources they have and she's going to send us a proposal. we can then review it and you know we do have a budget but if we don't have that money in our budget that doesn't mean
that we can't ask for money from planning or from other funds if it's a project for like a feasibility study or to pay you know if we're interested in that. So I did >> my question what does this cost us anything >> oh they're putting a a fee proposal
together for us. Yep. So, she's going to send it in and when we I have it, I'll share it with you and um we can see what their what they can offer in terms of their resources and what the fee is and if it's something we're interested in pursuing or not. >> Mhm. >> So, but I thought it was a really good
conversation. I think it's always good to like have those conversations and see how they can help us, especially the storm water utility if that's something we're really interested in kind of like even doing the feasibility study. They've done it with New Brunswick. So it's like they're a really good group to work with cuz they kind of can at least
lead us in the right direction. So >> whoa initiated the meeting. >> We talked at Anjack and then we connected and we had our meeting. Yeah. >> Good. >> Okay. >> Cuz I spoke with her. I don't remember when it was. It was u probably in summer
and um it was uh after h recall the name another organization was asking us uh for funding >> oh yeah the other watershed group headquarters yes headquarters and so I
approached her hey why don't you give us proposal for something so >> that's probably it >> worked it's I mean she's going to put together something she's hopefully in the new year and then you know we can look at it if it's like the whole thing is too big we can ask to whittle it down
or maybe it's perfect the way it is I don't know >> meeting right now >> so yes so I think we're all set there so as soon as I have it I'll fill you guys in >> what's going on >> okay please lead
leadership in our cities it's an interesting idea Um, I know a little bit about it, but this is beyond what I've done many years ago. Um, it's a lot of work. Um, is there an advantage
for us? I think that's the question we need to really wrestle with. Um, if we do this, what does Franklin Township gain? >> Well, what did you think? So, I couldn't attend that meeting, so I figured you guys could kind of brief me on what it
involves. What's is there a fee? like whatever you got there. >> There is a fee and it's structured as a registration and then the certification. >> Yeah. >> And the certification needs to be renewed every year. >> Every 5 years I think or something. Yeah,
>> it's quite possibly 5 years. >> It's $8,000. >> $8,000 what you paid up front or >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then there's another fee. >> And what does that fee like? What does it cover? >> It covers them re reviewing your stuff that you submit.
And there's a whole they have a whole list of items that you can go. It's just like sustainable Jersey. >> Yeah. But it's on a national scale. >> Doesn't change. >> That was my I raised that point remember at the at the meeting, you know. Um what
what's what's the difference? >> It's national. >> They don't have the funding probably from like sustainable Jersey has funding from >> PS&G Foundation and what's the other one? >> PSC also helps here. Oh, okay. >> Yeah. PSNG is part of this.
>> So, every five years it's a reertification. >> Yeah. Funding from Bank of America. >> Oh, Bank America. It wasn't It wasn't PSG, was it? Bank of America. >> Bank of America. >> Yeah. I knew there was funding from somewhere. >> Yeah. >> Um there's about a hundred cities and
towns have done this already and two in particular in Jersey, Woodbridge Township and Hoboken. >> That's right. >> So, um the people we can talk to. Okay, that's good. And what is interesting that Woodbridge is very well positioned
in sustainable Jersey. So they have they have both. >> Yes. >> Now I don't know about Hobokan. They probably have >> Hoboken has become an up and cominging city. I mean it was very Now it's high-rise. It's gentrified. It's it's a whole different um population center
than than it was many years ago. Well, and Woodbridge has an entire staff dedicated to their sustainability program. They have like four or five people working on it. So, that's Yeah, >> that's so it is more feasible. We're sort of in the middle in that regard,
you know. I mean, and my my uh my question also was, do you have more hours or could you get more hours? You know, because that's that's what what would be involved. >> Yeah. >> And and I can't answer that question. Only >> I can't either. I I can't either. I
mean, I it would have to be approved by the council. >> My guess is we need a good discussion with Ed Paznik. >> Yeah. >> I mean, he may be in fa if he's in favor of it, we can get it done. >> And we need to have that kind of
discussion with him, I think. And I mean I'm I'm in favor of it because I was there, you know, I know what it's about, >> but um but I know from the township we need to see if it's something we want to do. I'm not let's do it. Let's let's do
it right if we're going to do it. >> And I want to also recall Robin's idea uh sustainable friendly. >> Sustainable friendly. >> Yeah. >> Which is also uh
project that we we we would need more staff or or hours. >> Well, that's that's exactly what I said. Yeah. >> And whether it is wrapped with the leads or not, that's separate thing. But but at least having sustainable Franklin means that we have more concerted effort
to >> Well, it it means it also means changing the master plan. >> Yes. >> And that we need to the master plan's coming up for renewal soon anyway. >> Yes. Yes. So, it's an opportune time to look at that master plan hearing scheduled for the second Wednesday in
January. >> Really? Yeah. >> Mark Healey reached out to me because of this committee and the other committees I work on. So, he said that he is going to be sending out uh like a letter to all of the committees that basically says like here's what our master plan
update is going to entail, like a general what it's going to entail. What do you recommend for changes? what uh planning documents do you have that might need to be updated or ordinances? So, he's going to be sending that out. So, once we get that, we can respond. >> So, the timing is right. Really?
>> The timing is right. But the question is for this lead thing, are you guys thinking of trying to start this like any in the immediate future or No. >> Yeah. But that's the only way to do it if we're going to do it. >> I guess that's the question. Is it worth doing it? >> That's that's the question I raised.
Exactly. business. >> If I were Bob Born Locker, I would be saying, "What do you get for that $8,000?" >> Yeah. What do you get? >> Oh, what? >> Well, $8,000 plus if they I mean now, so like for example, so my contract gets
renewed every January with you guys. So I think that for this year, I can't imagine they're going to be like okay with changing it in the next few weeks cuz it's not budgeted for. It hasn't been thought about. >> So I work with you guys like 20 hours a month. Right. >> So, I think this would probably like
blow that out of the water. >> It would be another four or five hours a month for sure. >> Yeah. >> Either of that or we do a lot of the >> or Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Water shaking his head. No. No.
No. >> Or it could be the green team. The green team right now is more township employees. The green team is mostly township employees >> because that's where all the data comes from. >> Right. But the problem is and you know Ted from you and I working on it. We are
like the the herders of the green team and unless like we put together a spreadsheet and like dictate you do this, you do this. If you don't do that, they're not just going to >> willingly do it. Well, a lot of it is
there's there's data where Carl Hal is obviously the person to get the data from. >> Right. Right. >> For public work, >> right? >> Yeah. >> There there there was a a grid with where you needed different types of of
data. >> So, what was Maria's thought? Does anybody know? Because I know she was really invested in >> She was invested in it. Oh, >> she liked it. She thought it was good. I think she does. I have to admit I have not spent any time studying even the material that
Maria got hold of. >> I I think we should >> with the master plan coming up for in January. Um they could can this be brought as a topic at their meeting? >> Yeah. And let's do it that way as well.
>> Do we have to do it this year though is the question or no? >> No. No. But um >> I have nothing saying we can't start working on it, but in order to participate, you need to pay the $8,000. >> You need to get registered. >> The 8 Well, I think the 8,000 is when
you're ready to have all your work approved to get certification. >> Yeah, that's what it is. >> There is something like,300 to initially enroll >> to make the registration leaves, right? That seems like a lot, doesn't it? Well, it's it's like you
say, it's it's a national recognition. Um the the object is to have the township be attractive to people that want that kind of >> Yeah. >> structure in the town that they're working in. >> Right >> now, we're we're not built out yet, so
there's still room for more people to come in and do stuff. And um um me there was homoken for that point but but um that's that's part of its attractiveness because the lead buildings are
considered a space and they they get a premium rent. Well, I guess the other question is do you think from attending the webinar anyone who attended it, are we able to get certification like what we have now or is it going to be like sustain do we have to make a lot of changes in order?
>> I don't think we've got that much change. I think a lot of the stuff that's Jersey sustainable Jersey does are really in there already. Maybe a little little massaging here and there, but a lot of that stuff is there. I would need to really
see that grid more than a flick on the screen to >> conclude what what would be different, >> what would be the same, you know, what >> we we need a sideby-side comparison.
>> What do we do? >> Whether we get that from them to start with that might be a question to go to go back to them with. Well, that so the first thing is if this is something we really really want to do, >> we need to get council to approve Yeah.
>> this the fee. >> Well, that's where where I said before about getting get getting together with Ed would be our champion. >> That's putting together a memo and like Yeah. having Ed say I think this is great, you know. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. So,
>> so ours is what? Lead cities and communities. >> That's it. Lead cities again. forward you the packet that you receive after the presentation or >> now it >> okay if you've got it st you >> let me check because my boxes
>> yeah I I saw something in my email look at it >> you may have it also >> they had prepared a summary of the meeting and sent it to us yeah >> okay it was sent >> oh they have an on demand course you can take Phil. Okay,
that's good. >> Paul Wessle. >> Yeah, Paul. Yeah, Wessle. W E S E L. >> Okay, >> I'm seeing here. What is this? Send it to 15 people. >> Oh, maybe
>> it was wonderful taking the attaches a copy of the slides. Okay. Who was copied? You were copied. Oh, >> it's on there. I wonder if it went to my spam December 9th. >> Okay. H. >> Is this the What is this? What are they doing here?
>> It's Paul Wessle. >> No, I know. I'm looking uh to see >> title. I see the title screen. >> And there's attachments >> and links. >> There's links. Links. Yeah, that's it.
>> All right. Whistle >> lead for cities 1210. >> Yep. >> Then I have it labeled as nine. >> Oh, here's YouTube. >> No, it's another great one because he said follow up. >> Okay.
>> But um he sent follow up I guess on 10th. Yeah. >> But uh >> but the first one was on 9th. >> You were and I have YouTube. Yeah. Um I don't really want to do the YouTube
right now. >> But you Well, the YouTube link is included in on December 9th as well. Um >> I don't have anything on the 9th. I only have something from him on the 10th for some reason. >> Have a good holiday. >> Thank you.
>> Have a good one. And have a safe trip. Safe trip. >> He said on 10th he folded the one from 9th and added additional stuff. So the one from 10th you had well but the one from tense did not he didn't reattach.
>> All right. I I'll find it and I'll look for you would have to look into the one that was sent on December 9. >> No. >> Okay. All right. I'm going to have to dig through to find this. >> Wouldn't it be safer if I forward it to you?
>> Yeah, please do that cuz this is going to be Yeah. >> All right. So, what do you guys want to do? Do you want to How do you want to proceed? I guess >> million dollar question. >> I'll send an email um next week to at I
mean I'm not going to bother them until after >> either try to vote now or um >> they don't feel comfortable. Uh we would have to look into it each of us and then vote. >> Yeah. then later on. Yeah. Yeah. And I
think >> discuss with that baton. >> Oh, here it is. Here it is. Here's the thing. Okay. This is the checklist that was on their website. So, this is the kind of stuff we have to fulfill. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I just want to see if I can tell just by looking at it. Are my glasses
fogged or is it all a sudden I like can't see like clearly this is or is it my contacts? Okay. Oh, okay. >> Um, >> green building. Okay. EOS like so for example right here ecosystem assessment
that's one of the required like I don't know that we have that um transportation performance what is that >> buses going through is a transportation inside the city
>> our transportation public doesn't exist >> quality of life per okay so there is like quite a lot of things you can submit here which is great so to get certified you need 40 points. So at the bare minimum we need 40 points. >> Silver is 50. >> Okay.
>> They were luring us that based on what we have achieved with sustainable jersey we should get at least gold. >> We should get at least gold with what we just have already. >> Yes. But did they make thorough >> right? >> No. So
>> well not only that >> selling their products >> right. So if we do, but here's my question and I didn't attend so I don't want to be like the downer but I'm just trying to say so if we so I one other thing I attended and I attended it after the agenda went out so I didn't get a
chance to put it on there but I attended sustainable Jersey had a refresher Ted went as well um and you went so they're coming out with a gold level certification so no more gold stars so the next round we can get the next level they're coming up with certifications
>> will be a break so to Yes, 26 is a break. So, that's good. >> But, so my thing is this. We're going to be working to get sustainable Jersey Gold certification. Not that I don't want this certification. I think this great, but like is it worth paying the money and going through double time?
>> That's exactly to have this certification thing right now. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's my question cuz you know the township is going to want to have the gold sustainable jersey. That's without a doubt. >> Y. >> So, we're going to have to double time it next time we just to say no. You know
that's >> Yeah. And that's free which is wonderful. I mean it's not free but it takes >> it does take time. It takes hours. >> I think the next step what you said is right. Maybe we need to meet with council member Patasnik and be like what do you think about this? Is this something you think that's worth
pursuing? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So maybe we'll reach out to him in like later January or like mid January. >> Yeah. Well the funeral is Friday, >> right? So next week he'll be more >> like two weeks even. Yeah, maybe after the new year. >> Yeah, exactly.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So I I like this slide, but it's it's small letters. Sorry, >> but but I forwarded it to you. >> Yeah, you have the good stuff. You can look at it. >> You were showing what what kind of categories are there. And um
>> which slide is it? This one, Stan, on the screen or further down? >> Go down. It's a table. >> Oh, it's a table. Okay. >> That one. >> Oh, here. >> That's the thing. Yeah. >> So, these are the categories that came
from that sheet that we were just talking about. >> This one is just, you know, easy to to look at. We What you found was probably more detailed. >> What I found this is what you basically like submit when you're going for your certification. But this is the
beginning. So that that's what it is. 4.1. >> So these are categories which is great. >> Yeah, that shows categories but it doesn't tell us, you know, what one actually has to do to get credit. >> Well, that's the thing.
>> Yeah. >> And when you scroll, here's the price, >> right? So the registration and you have to be member if you want to get 1350, right? So which means additional membership, I guess. Jeez. So it might be seven. Well, yeah. Okay. >> But then regardless whether you are
member or not, the certification review is 8,000. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. So your payment due is that registration there's a and then the submit is when the rest of it's due. >> Okay. And I just want to see Okay. Let's see.
Uh I want to see like what Ted says. is they're like an example of like here's what you do to sub to get points for whatever >> well again >> okay December 5th applic so February 13th is when the application is dead so >> opens and deadline is February 13th so
we are not that pressed you know >> but is that the not registration or is that the application certification >> it's just an application >> to make a decision by February 13th including the applying okay So, I think yes, I think what what you guys were
saying, I think we need to meet with um >> with Ed >> with Ed. >> Yeah. >> I think we definitely need to meet with Ed and be like, "What do you think about this?" >> Yep. I think that I think that's too to take. >> All right. So, let's give him a little bit of space for right now and then we
will reach out to him in the new year. How's that sounds? >> Sounds good to me. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, um moving on to E annual report. So, I got the expenditures from 2025 from Mark. Um, so what you know,
Mark actually, his father just passed away, too, which is interesting. He just passed away a few weeks ago, >> but he sent me the expenditures. Um, so I'm going to start working on the annual report and putting all those numbers in and all that. So hopefully in January, I'll have something for you.
>> Something for us, >> my usual stream, you know, collection information if you have that. But let me go through it and then as I update it all. >> Yeah. Even I'll be in Florida. I got the computer. You can go back and forth. >> Perfect. >> Okay. Committee reports. Since Maria's
not here, um I don't know if we >> Oh, she emailed something. Give me one second here. >> She has a flu. She has a flu. >> Um >> my voice is still not right. My report on behalf of the education
committee is the same with the workshop about compost delivered by Ellen taking place at the senior center on January 8th at 6:30. >> Okay. >> That's our only report. Yep. Which we know about and that flyer has been posted on social media. It's on our
website. Um so we're all almost at there. >> Okay. Um we really discussed the hot topics as we've gone along. I think >> for communities do Anything else? >> Do we have the advertisement for the composting workshop out?
>> It's out. Yeah, it's out. >> Do we want to leverage Nexo? >> We can ask. Yeah, if you want. Absolutely. Yeah, I can ask. Why make a deal? >> Because these days people don't check Facebook and
>> social media becomes >> okay and other garbage composted. >> Yeah. Long ago, I was peripherilally involved with a big project of the egg experiment
station or composting. Well, they called it porcine residue is basically what even a pig wouldn't but in in sort of big wind rows and they
had a big machine to turn it. Cuz really the key thing in composting ideally is to turn it as often as you can because you want it to be aerobic. >> Yeah. >> Because anorobic it smells and the
neighbors complain >> and anorobic also generates methane. >> It can. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly it's just not very much happen. >> Okay.
So, we'll then move into old business. >> Okay. So, >> the astronomy club, dark skies. >> Oh, so I spoke to the astronomy club and they want to come to our February 23rd meeting to discuss um you know our you
know what their help could be with the dark skies. So, yes. Okay. Um the um youth member is still languishing I presume. >> I haven't heard anything about that. Nothing. >> I know. Skip the stuff. Robin and Maria
were active with >> Yeah. And that's on our website. The list of restaurants is on our website. >> I was supposed to visit some of the places. Um Paul, you also been to that shopping mall?
>> Yes, I've been to Jersey Mike and to Mo. Yeah, most yeah >> didn't get anywhere >> because you know these are chains and they have managers but they report to owners or or area managers and it's harder to do.
>> There are some other restaurants in that complex that I think are owner operated >> and that might be more of there's an Indian restaurant and there's a couple others that I hadn't hit but those might be more amendable. the the big chains. I
thought I was getting somewhere with Jersey mics and then they said, "No, well, we they do it anyway, you know. >> They just don't want to have to put it up there." >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, um but Robin and Maria made some progress
along Eastern Avenue and Hamilton. Yeah, >> that's great. >> Okay. Um annual stream cleanup. You've you you've been working on that, Stan? Yes. Um I reported the inspection
previously. We also decided that it will be April 11th c run. >> Um lower right share partnership. They already included it on their website on their sheet. By the way, maybe I should
include as a hot topic that I attended their annual potluck. >> Um I was the only one from here. Uh but um so they had a sheet with the uh uh programs for next year and our event was
included. So >> awesome. >> Um I met the state climatologist Dave Robinson. My >> he lives at Canal Walk >> and uh his wife Missy Hoser, she's on
the board for LD. Right. >> Uh I met also um um Matt um from Kokoras. You know the guy who is always sending emails. What did you mean?
>> David Robinson. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So So I met him. Um >> yeah, he sends me questions once in a while. >> Yeah. >> So So he was there. Um good food. Uh but back to the annual stream cleanup. So,
we are all set. >> Good. Okay. >> The usual stuff. I'm going to recycle the advertisement and just change the date. >> Okay. >> That works. >> So, what's the date for the >> April 11th? >> April 11th.
>> Saturday. >> April 11th. Okay, that's good to know. >> It was mentioned in one of the previous uh >> reports. So >> I want this to sound like news, you know. >> Mhm. >> Um
we don't have rain. Yeah. >> No, >> maybe we should. >> Up to you if you want. >> It's your option. >> Yeah. >> And if you could just give me those numbers from last year, Stan, too, just as a reminder. >> Yes. Yes. I made a note. So
>> yeah, that'll that'll be in the annual report. >> April 11th. Yes, that'll be definitely in the annual report. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, um if there's no no other old business, I'll open the floor for ask motion to open the floor to public comment.
>> So move. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Jenny, you got anything you want to say? >> Um yeah. I was thinking of this when you had the zoning plans up. Um, I'm wondering if you guys want to think about having an ordinance that prevents new plants from planting anything that's
considered invasive. There is like a law that's trying to get passed through for the state to have like a prohibited plants list. And I looked it up while I was sitting here. It's S1029, Invasive Species Management Act, which has been passed in the Senate. But it's going to take some time for that to have like any
actual effects. So, I don't know, maybe you want to think about having an ordinance. There's already a prohibited plant list that's like pretty trusted. That's out. >> Yeah. Well, it's really nurseries. It's really aimed at nurseries. >> Yeah.
>> Tell them not to sell certain plants. And you know, as long as they have enough warning, they are not >> Yeah. >> Not opposed. But there's concern that there hasn't even been a committee meeting on it in the assembly. So, it's
rather doubtful whether it'll get passed this year. They have to start all over again. >> Yeah. And I'm kind of thinking like maybe there should be some thing in town that prevents like new landscaping from planting anything that is invasive. I didn't see the plant species that was
here, but I've definitely been here where like they've had plans where the species they've list like there are species that are on the do not plant list for New Jersey um and have been invasive. >> Yeah, that that list could be um
incorporated into the checklist. >> I know the Shade Tree Commission has a list of recommended plants, but I have to go through and see if it's exactly what plants are on there. That's what I have to >> unrecommended plants like calorie repair pair.
>> Right. That's the thing. What do they have on there exactly is what I need to find out. >> So the process would be that we would pass resolution uh to recommend u to the shades commission that would be their area.
>> Could we pass an ordinance like potentially that council would do it >> like what is the process for that? Would you guys have to write it? cuz I'd be happy to work on that a little. >> What we would typically do, we would uh
start with a sample. You say that you do have a sample and we would correct me if I'm wrong. >> We would formulate it into resolution >> and >> we would formulate into a memo that goes to our township attorney with exactly what we want to see in the ordinance.
>> Okay. So, we we can actually make proposal for what you're saying. >> Correct. Okay. Fine. Um and um then hopefully council would pass it. >> Okay.
>> Through the leazison because uh we would assume that ad would uh >> bring it up. >> Okay. >> So could I work on something like that? >> Sure. >> Yeah. Sure. >> Just do it in like I said in the form of
a memo. You they don't want it written like because we have done that in the past. We've written like an actual or language and they don't want that. >> Do you have any examples that you could send? >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I can send you one of our previous memos. >> Even though you're going to Arman, are you still going to be able to come to
the meetings? >> Um, I'm not sure. I'm hoping that I'll be able to come to some of them. I was looking for a job closer to home because I wanted to still be a part of things at home. Um, yeah, but I'm also not moving there until the first weekend of of or the last weekend of January, I guess.
Oh, >> yeah. Sometime month and a half. >> Okay. So, uh, that completes our public motion to close the public. >> Are you done? >> Yeah, I'm good.
>> Okay, good. So, move to close to I motion to adjurnn. Yes. Ajourn.