with lyrics in it. It was beautiful. >> For the pledge of allegian who who were opera singers to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible with liberty and all. Sam. Sam, you have the Bible. >> Yeah, that's the original. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> So, so we're starting now. In accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act,
chapter 231, BL1975, this meeting has been given proper public notice. So, we're going to start with the review actions. Um, Yeah. Wendy's. >> Yeah. Wendy's. You want to
>> do what you have to do. Come up and >> you have like pictures or anything or >> Well, so beyond the the the items that were already shared, we have uh elevations of everything in terms of what's changing. Uh, it's an existing
Wendy's that is just getting a facelift to the modern Wendy's branding. Uh, it happens to be in the historic district, but it's just trying to to keep it in line with the aesthetics. >> Let me let me wait a minute. Do we have anything to give out to the members? >> Uh, we had a drop.
>> Yeah. I didn't know if they had our copies, but >> we had nothing. >> Yeah. So, here are actually Yeah. Next time I'll provide hard on
right, >> right? >> Yeah. You have competition right across the street, right? >> Yeah. So, we got three I could share with actually addition.
>> You have this one. >> Very good. better than what they had agree. >> We put together drawings that that are in that role there. We have four sets of them, but it's really just showing where everything is in terms of price, how
anything is changing. Um, I to change a lot of the colors to meet the the modern brand aesthetics on the outside. Um, so we we've put together this elevation for you guys to review. Um, I do have a few there for them including samples of the
materials that we use. The architect here as well as several members of the the team have questions about what we're doing. >> No price. >> Um, we don't have any we don't need.
So would you explain um are you changing the elevation of anything? You know you're concerned about you see from the canal. So most of your stuff is going to happen on the eastern avenue side. Correct. >> Yeah. Everything that we're doing is
facing Eastern Avenue facing that shopping center is all it is. The only elevation change that we are doing is if you look on here, we are adding a branding element that is literally facing
east on our drive on our drive-thru side of the building. >> Not east towards the canal. >> That is correct. >> Lit or not lit? >> Not lit. The only thing that'll be lit will be our actual Wendy signage that that's already lit now on that same side
of the building. Are the signs same sign >> signs? Yes, it will we'll keep the same signs that are allowed through the zoning >> on whatever those are is what we will
actually install. >> Are you changing the sign to match the one in front of it? >> Yes. Yeah. the the the signage that is there now is probably
seven or eight generations ago kind of thing and it's out of compliance with the brand and we have to update the signage to our new signage sizewise it'll all be the same as what is there not increasing the height of the sign
right you're just replacing it >> it'll it'll actually be on Appalade facing the >> building. I'm saying you're not putting anything a sign on Eastern Avenue lit. >> You're changing it.
>> The the sign signage that's on Eastern Avenue is lit at night, >> right? >> And it'll stay lit at night. >> You're not changing the height? >> Probably not. I don't know exactly where it's going to fall on the building versus where it is right now. It's not
above the building. >> On the building then? >> No, it won't. It'll be it will be on the building facing facing. It'll be blocked from >> the building will block it from the canal to see from the canal.
>> So otherwise it's going to be the same size but a new sign. >> Correct. >> And uh what's this building here? That's all that's all color building. That this here is this dark gray. Is this going to
face Carol? No. No. This faces eastern like this. >> What's this building? >> This here is the very front of it. So, this shows the other other side elevations and the the colors that
you'll see that this here faces eastern. >> This faces eastern. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I was just >> on the picture. He said it does. >> That's the existing. >> Yeah. That's the existing building and
it's still going to be the existing building. We're just repainting the brick and it's and it's going to be f this side faces eastern. This side faces the canal. >> The canal. >> This faces the I do not know what's on the rear of the building, but this is
the rear. Personally, this looks better than this color. Why do you Why do you have a charcoal gray factory looking? >> Because the company >> Yeah. It's more modern looking.
>> Yeah, >> Anthony. It's probably because the company has changed. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's their company colors. >> Yeah. I'll go back to my corner. >> Yeah. In terms of marketing, you're right. The look
>> Yeah. >> Well, what we are doing is we have a very newer building that we're building and it's got all the same colors that and what what the brand wants us to do
is remodel an existing restaurant. So, I same same look. Yes. To an existing building. So this was all compromised in even our newer building. One side is the base the drive side.
>> This is the front or the side. >> This is the rear elevation. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah. Here. Here. This elevation here. I know the building and This side is
this right here. >> And there's our drive side which is here will be this. >> Right. Right. Okay. Painted it just right now. More cheerful color. >> No, unfortunately we can't.
>> It actually will look really nice when it's done. >> Yeah, it's more >> that's it. I like the way this is my >> house and >> the McDonald's has the same
>> the McDonald's has the same that's facing the canal. >> Yeah. McDonald's McDonald's has this facing the canal. >> Correct. >> With the same kind of wood grain I think on top. >> Yeah, it does.
>> Anybody else have any other questions? I'll make a motion to approve. >> You second. >> Those in favor. >> Anybody opposed public here? No. >> All right. >> Thank you guys. >> I guess.
>> All right. We will move ahead with this. So much paper. I can't never hurts to have extra. >> No, it's always good to have extra stuff. Yeah. >> Um the stuff that I submitted to your office, we'll give that back to you. You
want do you want us to take the the paper back with us? >> I think I have enough. Yeah, I have enough. >> Okay. Okay, get all that. Um, and just to get next steps in terms of when we're allowed to go back into building, we did that in the wrong order before. >> Okay. No, that'll be with something now.
>> Okay, perfect. >> Okay, sounds good. >> Thank you guys. Thank you. Right. >> I see over here. >> Oh, no. >> You sit. I'll stand.
>> I have a chair. I'll go sit. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. >> There's a chair. Oh, okay. >> Yep. We got a chair. Thank you. >> All right. So, this is for demolition of the two buildings from last time we were here. And I think Daryl has some
pictures or just one set of pictures. >> Yes. >> Provided to us recently sent over. You had additional >> I sent over that's 2993. I sent over 10 Bennington uh black and white to uh Vincent's email. He responded back to me
that it was all good. I'm assuming I corresponded what you were forwarded at all. after Vincent. >> I just want to make sure one thing. >> House on the corner. You're not doing any You're not touch that hours. >> Yours? >> Uh, no, I don't. Um,
>> he has additional color too. It's easier to see of the medical office. The 10 Bennington was sent to Ben to >> 10 Bennington is not happening right now. That's going to probably be a couple months down the road. >> We would like to get on 2993, but we've been trying to since November. So
>> 10 Bennington is not being demoed or something. >> It's going to, but we're not going to we're not going to do them both at once. >> We would prefer to because this they're this one's modding like it's >> Yeah. Only a de Yeah. The demo permit we
have is for Tim Bington. >> We don't have the one for the other. >> We dropped off both. >> Only had the one. So >> yeah, I'll resubmit that to you guys. >> Had he had given on the last meeting it was together and then he he said he
would split care of that and he would >> one they're not going to do. Yeah. >> I don't have it. >> I have it from your last meeting. Is is it in last meeting I had it online? >> Yeah, I didn't have any other
documentation. >> How old is that house? >> Oh, that house was dated on our historic report through the engineer. I think they said 58. So, it's not >> it's not historic. And our demolition, I
know that the land's historic. Our demolition, we're it's very clean. We're not machines. We're not to tear up the land. We're going to be isolated off that spot. The machine that we're using is the the parking lot on the on the pavement. We're not even going to sit on the grass. And I'm assuming everything around that house in 58 was excavated.
So anything that was found is not going to be found again. >> So we're not going to disrupt anything historic whatsoever. It's be a very clean process and very quick process. 3 days max. >> Archeological application for Bob. Do they need to do anything
archaeological for 58? >> No. They're just they're just doing >> Yeah, I know. But should they should No, not >> um because it's not contributing. I asked that last time if they needed to do the dig. >> Yeah. >> All right. Right.
>> This is That's the >> application. You have the application. >> I do. last meeting wasn't >> Oh, last week I think last time.
>> Okay. So, the pictures of the house are circulating. >> Circulating. We have colors down here. Black and whites are going around. >> Anybody else want to see the application here? You want to see colors down there around this plan?
We don't have building. >> There's no building plans. We're going to we're going to demo um obviously. >> No, I meant the actual um you know >> the graph. >> Yeah. >> So, we have I I emailed them both to Vincent. I have them readily available on my phone if you want to print them.
But Vincent gave me the thumbs up. He got them yesterday. I have you have hard copies. >> I have like what? The tax map or the >> He has hard copies with us, too. So Yeah, there's one survey. >> That's 10 pennies.
>> They're so old. One is like >> these are originals. Yeah. >> Yeah. But you do have this. It's in the back. >> Oh, you have it. >> This is two of them. Both of those are in the back. You got them. >> Yeah. Two of them. >> Both properties. The back of this.
>> This is the lot plan, too. If you want to see that without the house on it is very original copy. >> This is Bennington. And this is 2993. >> That's 2993. any other empty lots next to it. I'm assuming assuming they were they were divided here because later on
this shows one lot, this shows one lot. This one shows three. >> So I don't know how old that is cuz I have one from 1980. This one's from 1980. So I think this is a better one. This is the actual
>> show in the driveway. >> This is 83. >> This is Yeah, but this is 10 Bennington. And then this is this is the medical office. >> This is the one with the colored pictures that are going around that building.
>> I wasn't here last week, but can you briefly let me on this? >> Yeah. My >> real quick. >> My dad passed away and he was a medical condition and gave a service. And then it's the build. This is like a
house. It's zoned for commercial >> and residential and retail. And >> what is it zone for now? >> Medical. It's a medical. It's still doctor's office is in that village. >> Yeah. And medical. My wish his dying wish was to put another something
medical for >> that's kind of where I'm going. But I can't really move forward. >> Down the road. She's leaning to do like radiology >> inside like the whole building. >> People wait weeks to get in the hospitals. >> How long has it been setting?
>> Um 18 years. >> No, I mean setting sitting. My dad just passed away in 20 of March about a year ago and my mom passed prior to that in 21. >> So it's been vacant since then. >> Yeah. We had it sort of closed down the practice, but then he was seeing like
patients who really needed his help kind of like we took care of very simple simple patients and then everyone who had really complicated cardiac patients and I found them all new physicians. So we had about 2,000 patients
and um so he still kept working until like um >> yeah I don't know >> that's the old one
>> this one is 1980 and this one is 1976 >> and this is building this is 10 ben so behind this. Yeah. Like you see this >> one that's >> the medical office is there and then
this is the second building that we want to demo as well but we obviously can't do it at the same time. So, we would like to start with this building, but we're requesting a permit for both so that we can have it and then at least when the time comes >> we have to
land first and I didn't even know about the historic issue and so this separate >> and we don't have the one now for the one >> in this we would like what seems to perhaps have happened something related
to coordinating with Vince has a historic appearance. That's the main thing. >> We would love to communicate that to us. >> If I may, Vince did say on the last meeting he was going to take care of the separating and doing all that, but I know he's in between limbo on hearing done. So that we might have gotten the
bad end of the string on that one. >> And for those who don't know me, I'm Mark Healey. I'm the um head of the planning and zoning department. I mean, I would suggest that they they've made an application for what you're looking at is a zoning permit. I wouldn't necessarily look at that. I mean, they
made an application for a a certificate of >> appropriate. Yes. >> And you know, I don't know what if that application was for one or both sites, but even if they made it for one, I don't see any reason why you can't amend that application if you feel you have enough information on each of those
sites. But the important thing at the end of the day is not necessarily what's on that application. It's not like this had to be noticed for the paper like a planning board application. This is before you to look at the the site on 27 and and and the site on Bennington. They
have the surveys. They've given you photos of both sites. Do you have enough information for each of those sites to make a recommendation or or or to make an approval? Respectfully, I would think that's what that's what you need to >> we can add there's also we we hire an
outside engineer Grub in Cranberry cost a pretty penny $8,000 to get this report on both properties and so we spent extra time with getting you the right stuff with the right people. So all information is there >> that demolition report. Um >> I have that
>> it's in the it's in the Dropbox. >> It's in there for both sites. >> Yeah, we have a hard copy here if you want it. Yeah, >> I've seen the report. It is very >> very detailed. Yeah, >> it's well done. Well, they always do. I'll show you. >> It was so >> He's like the only I couldn't find
anybody in the state besides him to to do it. >> There's not many. >> There's not many. >> I have extra copy of anybody. >> All right. So, we can, >> if everybody is okay with it, approve the one providing we get
proper. Yeah, I what I'm hearing is they've done the demo report on both sites. They've now run the surveys for both sites budget and they've given you photos for both sites. So, respectfully, I think
the decision for the commission is do you have enough information notwithstanding what might have been on the application form, but with the submitts, do you have enough information to make a determination on both sides? And if you do, I think you can make that determination. Um, the only thing is, and I'm sorry I
might be speaking out of turn, and and I'm I'm I you guys did everything we asked for, except it's not real cleancut right now. Um, in terms of the application for the for the 27 property
is not in front of us. And um the one thing that we've tried been trying to do for years on this commission is to treat every applicant the same in terms of um especially in
demolition that um nobody sort of slides by with >> every eye dotted tea cross. >> Yeah. and and that way we uh we just felt that we were being fair to the applicants if everybody was treated the
same. And that's why last week, last month, we said this is not the way that we, you know, it wasn't a complete application in terms of the other applications that we've dealt with in the past. Um, so I'm I I I feel good in
terms of we've seen the all the material that we need to see. It's just not in an organized fashion. >> We could be organized. Yeah. I mean, we have we have do we have a ready, >> right? So that's >> we can just put it together in >> we don't have that for whatever reason.
>> We can make a copy, can't we? >> Well, it's it's Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I mean, in terms can we get a little bit of a bone because maybe Vincent was supposed to do it and he >> No, I'm I'll vote I'll vote for it. When the when the motion comes up, you're
going to get my vote. It's just it's not quite exactly as clean >> as where we would like every application to be, but there's nobody here from the public that's going to see >> this is like this is this is a very difficult process. I mean, you are I've
done historic once, but this is very lengthy. I mean, you guys are very detailed in what you want and you know, we've had to kind of >> Well, it's in our ordinance. >> Yeah. Yeah. Which is fine. I get it. >> That's what we, you know, >> a little bit more. I think two things
that um Daryl's going to um start doing. So, this is being recorded, which I think is frankly a good thing because it's documenting the fact that you you've now received the materials that you requested for both sites. So I mean that's I think that's important that is
that is documented. Um and we're we're also going to start doing the minutes. So that's going to be reflected you know your determination your deliberation and your determination is going to be reflected in the minutes. And then when you know they have to apply for apply for if they haven't already the zoning
permits for the demolition. Daryl won't approve that. I mean, Daryl's approval of that demolition on the zoning side will be predicated on the fact of, you know, whether they've received your approval or not. So, the DAR checks to make sure that everything was done properly. >> I would like to propose either maybe
Daryl or Patrick whenever these applications come in, if someone can review them for completeness before they're brought for us. That way they don't have to do you know come all the way to be to us just to tell them well
>> you know I don't want to waste your time >> course we don't want to waste our time so >> there are some application applications that come in that are >> everything is there >> and then there are some that's missing three quarters
>> so that's kind of what we really want to see is that >> everything is where it should be Okay, fair enough. >> Okay, so do we have enough information to go ahead with demolition? >> Yeah, but I'd like to bring uh something
to their attention. Now, what kind of new buildings are >> That's not No, >> we can't that that's not part of what they're asking for. There is irregularity. >> I just want them to know that if they're going to go ahead and spend money and come back with a contemporary building,
which we're going to knock down, I'm only just trying to give them just a little bit of advice. That's all. If they want to take it, that's >> up to something. I mean, we're going to come for it's going to come up eventually. >> You're going to have to come before us. We're going to have to find out what our
>> sign it together. >> Yeah. limitations are for construction in a historic district >> and there's going to be design is what's your guys are going to have to you know pitch in on how it looks too I'm assuming because it's historic. So >> of course I've dealt with towns like that so I know I I I'm I'm used to that
and that's fine and we're going to have to stick to the rules on this one and how big it can be or three stories, two stories, whatever is allowed on that street. I don't know what's allowed, but I would love to. I mean, if we design it together, I mean, I'm very open to I'm not even at that point yet,
>> but if and when it comes, I mean, I have no problem >> however we want it. >> We always ask for an informal meeting. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Where you do something official. >> Yeah.
I want it I want it to look the way it should in the community. >> Of course, you know, the historic goal is to have the buildings put up that uh are not going to stand out like a sore thumb and uh we would like to have the
appearance of the building look, >> you know, in a historic manner. >> Listen, I'm >> that's why I'm telling you this ahead of time. only class I didn't in school was history. I'm a big coin collector pre33. I'll dig that property up myself to find treasure. I'm a I I I
love that stuff. So I love and I I love the whole story behind I tell her old time and George Washington in the Civil War. I don't like buildings that are sterile and unwelcoming like the whole like my dad was seeing patients in the
house and so for him to do that in the 80s it was so patient would come in >> there's no way some type of tension come in if you're like you're already relaxed and so I I like I would love to honor
that and I do think historic way of doing building would be the perfect thing for wellness. That's where my mind's at. >> Right. So, everybody Okay. I I need a motion to approve the demolish.
>> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody opposed? >> Okay. So, you'll take care of that? >> Yes, it will. >> Okay. Thank you. >> One more question. >> Um, as I don't know if this is the right place to ask it. Um, as part of the
water shut off, the town has asked us to, I guess, have the street and cut the water off in the street, which I think is a huge waste of resources and I have to hire cops and everything. Um, and I've been told, Vincent actually told me countless times, I wanted to know if I
could just put a water source in the yard, I guess, to maintain the property as it's we're not really jumping into a building and be able to water and stuff like that rather than spend a ton of money cutting the street up or even capping it behind the valve on the property. I just feel like it was a big
reach to ask that we have >> a zoning officer. >> Yeah, that's that's beyond our construction department. That's exactly right. Yeah. >> They need a meter. You need to >> Yeah. construction. Yeah. I won't even >> How do I maintain the the the land so that at least >> Where's the meter now?
>> I think it's in the front or on the side of the building now, but they I mean I never usually I just cap it behind the valve on the property and call it a day when I do demos. That's >> So when you demo it, the meter is gone. >> Meter's gone. >> So with the new code, the meter the meter has to be by the curve side in the middle pit. So, I don't think uh
>> I would I wouldn't be able to just use if I if I can use that same line and create water source on the property just for maintenance that won't avoid me cutting the street up. >> Temporary >> temporary maybe 6 8 months. >> That's that's let me tell you that's going to be even more expensive to get
temporary water. >> I'm just I I'll just I'll just spit it's almost like a like a spetage just >> Yeah. I think what I'm trying to say is there's no way to measure the usage. Oh, >> cuz there's no meter.
>> I would go to construction and neither. >> I mean, if I have to cut Yeah. I mean, but then we have to cut or if they let me tap the valve on the property, which I'll talk to somebody >> to do it in the middle of the intersection. >> Who's the
>> art? >> And then when we build, we have >> Okay. I'll I'll get in contact with him this week and wrap it up. and we'll see if we can figure something out that's less. >> So that means we have to do it twice. We have to >> we kind of can't tell you what to do.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> I didn't know if you have that's like a big question mark because that's a big job to do. So and that's coming up if everything >> go to construction and ask. >> All right. So >> head in the right direction. Let's
>> go to the construction over there. Okay. Grab him in the morning or something. Talk to him. All right. Anything? You're all set. No questions for us. Nothing. Okay. Thank you guys. Appreciate your time.
>> Am I allowed to have any photos? >> You guys don't need anything from us that we brought today, do you? >> Okay. >> All right. Next. Appointment of historic preservation advisory commission to the steering committee on planning board.
That's me. Am I right, Ron? I mean, >> we did that before. >> Yeah, that weekend. No, we did. We have did that last week. >> Yeah, last month. This was just
>> right for the record. >> Any correspondence? >> No. >> Any reports? unfinished business. >> New business. >> I have I have new business. Um, real
quick, I I just want to run it by you guys. I've been asked to be on the board of trustees of the Meadows. I'm already on the board of trustees of the Franklin in. And I just didn't before I I just wanted to know if there was anything
like a conflict of interest that being on this commission I shouldn't also be on the meadows. >> I mean if something comes up about the meadows you may have to recuse yourself but >> yeah we usually don't do have anything to do with the meadows because she
didn't have their own identity. They don't come in to do to get a certificate or appropriateness for her >> because they're >> if she was on open space and was asking for money then there'd be a problem. >> Of course. >> Big problem.
>> Yeah. The Meadows is pretty much township as well. What's the classification? >> The township owns the building, >> right? And we exact partnership between Meadows and the township. I'm not sure. And so the township can do anything they
want. We can't advise the township. The township is got their own >> lane that they're in. >> That's why that building is out there. >> So April 19th 19. >> Thank you. >> You going to talk about that?
>> No, you do it. You're the You're the guy. >> As part of 250 is going to be a cocktail evening with George and Martha Martin. Right. >> On the 19th and I think it's $7 to9.
It's $45 to75. There'll be like a cocktail truck or something. Well, you'll be and or derves and things like that to be inside the barn. Barn's only going to hold maybe 75.
I don't want to say go over the fire. Whatever. They have a limit of how many people can go. So I I'm assuming that it'll probably be, you know, the sooner you want to go and make a >> Where's it being held? >> He's
beautiful in the on the inside. They really did a nice job. >> So that's uh on the um they broke 19th >> 19th you said. Yeah. >> Probably a Saturday. No,
>> it is a Saturday. Yeah. >> Or Sunday. No. the 19th of Sunday. >> Whatever that Saturday is, >> then it's the 18th. >> 18th. Okay. >> It's easy to change into >> my birthday. >> That's my birthday.
>> Oh, well, you can celebrate with >> Well, George and Martha would like to see you there. >> Yeah, I met him. >> There you go. You and Bobler, right? Um so our next meeting is April 7th
and um if everyone if there's nothing else then motion to >> I just have one thing can we um since we are CLG can we go about removing advisory from you know wherever it's at like on the
website and things >> so we're not mis >> um we now that we're CLG we have more clout than being an advisor. So we don't aren't necessarily advised once we got CLG certification
>> certified local that wasn't >> done. We have a little bit more clout so we're not advisory. >> So we'll take advisory off >> because in Somerville I was told right >> thatville is advisory but they're not
CLG. >> So we'll change that. What is New Brunswick comes off of >> do anything really. >> They have no power. >> They have no power >> in the historic advisory.
>> It was it's advisory. >> Okay. I see what you're saying. We'll do hard >> everything. Good. >> When did we get that CG off? >> I mean CG uh we got it years ago. We got the certification. I don't understand
why we didn't know that when it when it happened. >> Okay. >> So, we may have to notify uh clerk about that. >> Yeah. >> Whoever runs the website. Uh >> I don't know if you could just wave a magic wand and change your name and your
advisory to some degree too. I mean you approve things but if it goes before one of the boards you're advisory and to the degree that there are you advise the planning board on certain things you know you are >> you are you do have advisory roles
>> right >> uh so again I'm not sure if you can just change your name I mean that his ordinance refers to you as >> as that I mean I think I mean formally I think council would probably have to adopt an ordinance to change your name um I'm Not sure if it really does
anything. Your CLG status is your CLG status. I can look into it, but again, I think to formally change it, it's going to have to be done by ordinance of the council. >> She has to look into that.
>> I can I can ask that. >> Anybody have anything else? >> And do we do a roll call on the agenda? >> I told them who's not here. Glenn and Pat. Okay. Yeah, we we had talked about
or with you or Yeah, we we talked about it that at the end of the business meeting and then and then when there's no >> we're adjourned. >> We're adjourned that we