in accordance with the open public meeting act of Steven New Jersey adequate notice of this Wednesday April 9th 2025 meeting of the Franklin Township Trails Advisory Committee posted on the township's website and electronically transmitted the
officially designated newspapers indicating that this meeting would take place at the municipal building uh at 700 p.m on Wednesday April 9th 2025 all righty all right you want me to do the
roll call uh please okay uh Vanessa Jones present andleski present um Chris Gond is not going to be here tonight he let me know that already uh Jim Kolowski here dasha Patel present um Robert Kovac
present gashal here and I think that is it right oh Councilman Karazzi also is not going to make it tonight okay [Music] okay um and uh so now we do not have the
minutes so we'll have the postings for our next meeting yeah yeah and I think the meeting the prior minutes we don't have as well right that's three months two months three months i think it's January February Jan February and March i don't have January no we don't no so
wait hold on let me think i didn't do any minutes right i'm just trying to think goodbye today there was one that I think um I don't remember i think I might have done some minutes now that I think about it you were doing last time no you was not there last time remember
this year last time you were there you were very few of us were there uh at the last building oh I did do the February minutes i remember as soon as I said it I'm like wait but I didn't print them out and I don't have access to the printer
i could leave them on the screen if you don't want to and you can read them real quick or we can just table them it's up to you guys i'm sorry i should have printed those out but I forgot I wrote them you're pretty busy review it yeah it's probably better to review screen and
just get get it approved because Jim Well Jim's our eco eye min is it okay to do it this way for you yeah it's fine i can see I think well you're you know you're the short thing the spelling or the it is wrong or
what you know scroll up uh scroll up or down well scroll so we can see the rest of Oh god okay i wasn't sure if you were ready yet okay how's that is that okay with you guys [Music]
go down or two of the benches trails i still need to read probably the weather uh Okay scroll down [Music] so at least we'll have one minute left [Music]
[Music] complete as far as I remember I don't see any mistakes the adjournment time oh the adjournment time is missing oh and this has to be this too okay
um I'm guessing it was probably 8:48 okay it had to It wouldn't have been 9:48 you guys finished that one that's when I missed right you finished early you told me yeah we were done oh it was 7:48 yes it was 7:48
all good good all right so we just need the motion to approve you know approve and post them and whatnot [Music] second all in favor hearing no abstensions or nazs motion
carries so February is Yeah so Amry you did the first right i'm sorry i got to take the minutes robert was first second got a haircut since I last saw you i got a haircut this morning
this afternoon okay okay so we need January and March um and so the meet the minutes for today how do we want to handle that i'll
take them cuz I'm I'm I have my notes so I can do it okay thank you um there's nobody from uh the public so we'll skip that for now yep and uh site plan review no site plan
review we actually just the EC did some site plan review on Monday night and but it was it was nothing uh that would pertain now we're moving on to new business uh National Trails Day planning
and it's June 7th so National Trails Day is June 7th um and so I figured we probably want to start at least maybe thinking about where and and what to do just to kind of get it you know get it going so last year it was at Bunker Hill
right and we worked with the watershed ambassador she did those games we the waterershed ambassador I think she's I think that she is done now and another one is coming in i haven't really had any contact with them but um the I know the environmental commission is always
looking to work work with people so I don't know if you want to try and partner with them or if you want to just think about where for now and then what later up to you all i think where's where's good sorry
so we add it at Bunker Hill actually let me get the file out we added it at Bunker Hill last year the year before was I don't know if anyone remembers off the top of their head i think it was at Bunker Hill Center bunker Oh right bunker Hill Environmental Center environmental Center yeah oh yeah frisky
Golf national Trails so that would be 2024 20 2022 was where to remember it might have been at Nagina yep nagina so the last 3 years it's been Nagarina Pot Bunker Hill Environmental
Center you just looked at 2022 what was 23 23 was Bunker Hill Environmental Center and then 24 was Bunker Hill Natural Area let's just see what 2021 was was it at Bunker Hill too let's see
middle bush uh uh it was at Bunker Hill yeah okay okay started at the Franklin Park i don't know maybe we did yeah i think we started Franklin Park the last and I have 2020 that's the furthest back i Oh
it looks like that was the year we tried to do it at six mile run maybe or DNR because I have a permit request in for that yeah i think we did one by the canal yeah chuckler that so we haven't in the last few years we
have not done it at Let me just double check um Oh yeah the 2023 was when we did it at Bunker Hill Environmental Center and John Cly that was the year we did yeah so we haven't done it at Inman we haven't done it at Franklin Park
recently uh we haven't done it at um Butler Road which is kind of a hard one though to do middle Bush Park we haven't done anything there haven't done anything so yeah could go to Edmond we haven't done In Edmond we could go to Nan Williams
Park i mean that trail is not It's kind of hard for trails like it's not like a typical but actually we just did the walk there too or we're going to do the walk there so what about the one on a um Jane from South Minore jane if they have
a nice large parking that's a six mile right one yeah we can do it there really big enough you know more cars we can do it there but what was the limit now i can't remember for the permit do you remember well I know for the tow path he said it was like 20 20 so if we go above
20 people technically we need a permit and they don't wave the fee which is so annoying if they just wave the fee we could easily put the permit request in who's getting a PO for the permit fee we'll take How much is the permit what's
the permit like $25 i don't need that probably good if you want seriously I mean if that's 25 bucks six mile run that is $20 in my pock your mom's in the capsule six mile run
um the Jacques State Park yes it's Mro State Park jacques Lane entrance jcq unit or Jake i just want to see oh yeah that's what the entrance is over here dodge on Leah oh we have it on Why do we have it on
our website i just want to see what it says here isn't that a big biking place too it is yeah so okay i don't want to get It's a busy trail sometime when I pass by early morning 6:00 I always see calm like
people are already here it's 6:00 in the morning i mean are we going to get more than 20 people do you think and if we did is someone going to actually know um well and I think that it's like they probably have that just to make sure
you're not going crazy we know we're not going to if we had more than 20 to 25 you know it's not going to be right we're done so we'll be happy if we get 20 but it's very unlikely that we will and if we did go over that it's not going to be anything egregious
how big is that parking lot i haven't checked that out they've expanded it did they they've expanded it we have to be careful we don't schedule it for a time there's a biking event there because run over right right seriously run over well we're going to
be in such a big group that it's not they're not going to run us over they're going to be annoyed by us we're going to run them over right when you're a lone hiker it's kind of Don't go there they only have It looks like they
haven't updated their website what is this april stack i would also love the top path like I would also love you know um the toe path as well one by the rar there's actually nothing on this website about having any uh
permit between the canal and the raragon they don't list anything here about permits so maybe we can just do it so what do you guys So just thinking about like locations i know we've we've done a nice job in the southern part of the town
with John Clyde with Bunker Hill with Bunker Hill um we know that Butler Road's not a great event site um I don't think Middle Bush is a great event site um but like thinking I know we're
going to be doing um you've done Nagri as well a couple times um what was so just thinking about in the in the the New Brunswick bordering side of town
um we have Inman over there we've done a couple hikes at Inman as well hike there yeah that was a good one it was a good one i think I think I did one more um after that as well um
yeah walk with a cop really that was a lot of fun it was like personal safety we did like personal safety stuff um I mean I I like the idea of both Six Mile Run and the toe path it maybe like
at the Damont Lane Deont lane entrance i haven't done that in a while I haven't been down there anyone been down there recently lane has a the Damont Lane entrance though has such a small parking lot right and it's difficult to get in and
it's kind of like a long path down to it so if the parking lot is full over by the house you can park where the garage is that's true that's true that's true has anyone seen the garden that we weeded and we put all the I um
or at least it looked clean that was a year ago october I think yeah that was a good one so it's been about a year and a half they've been they have some one person there that kind of like maintains that so yeah but that was that was a good project and they it seems like it
it worked but yeah now that's by the house right yes i wonder if we maybe could if we visit there we might be able to partner with Meadows to do a tour there that would be a great idea um she she would probably I mean she would probably do a tour there
I think the inside of the house potentially house somebody lives there yeah they only live on the upstairs the second floor and the tour is only on the first floor but Suanne would probably offer to give the tour like at one time she might do two
times you know so I could ask her it's an idea that would be a nice combo i like that idea a hike hike and a tour best of both worlds yeah that one that could work and there's also I know when I worked for parks recreation um in the
90s it was um like they would have like you could park they let you if there was parking need you could park on the grass too um my friend had his wedding there like you could park on the if they had um some different I don't think we would need that i think we would have enough
space but we could do the tour by Suanne i'm sure she would be willing to do it and the garden we could go show them the garden and be like "This is what we did we got grant funding and we could." So it's like walk back there as well if it looks good and you know what and if it
needs work that might be a good look volunteer signup sheet yeah yeah uh I I not this year but previous year I did the follow the yellow brick road where you got to see the Meadows houses all the There's like three very close
together on South Little Bush Road follow yeah follow south middle road or whatever it was it was like play on words follow the yellow road and um and I know when I was at the the house was it white garrison where they were like dressed in period
clothing it was great um it's really informative so that would be that would be if they had something like that that they could do i'm sure the Van W house yeah they do a good job with the tour of the Van Winkle House because they basically show you like everything that's in there and then they show you
like the types of wood that was used to build it and there's like this little like ghost story that they add in there so it's it is nice remind everyone in October they have that Somerset historical thing all throughout the county weekend
journey yeah learn how to weave uh you know with the spinning wheel yeah i mean if we did it there and she did it for her i mean I they could put out you know like a donation basket which they need they really do need They need members as well members yeah so we could like kind
of lure her in with that mhm so either one is I think a good idea i think it's always great we can take them for a hike and on the way back tour the house cuz we have more birds earlier in the morning so that would be good so you want me to ask but I would still I would
still like to do one at six miles but not maybe not on national trails day though maybe we could like pick another state for that that would be great i haven't done that since I got almost run over so that's my favorite trail the white trail from Jacques the Red Loop
that's my future can you slide the Can you slide that oh yeah and you've done it recently where you haven't been run over yeah i go all the time i should have said that i haven't been there that much only like once or twice sorry hang on you had it up
already i I just closed it right hang on one second here uh what am I under mapping mapping mapping cuz I was trying i was like "Oh let me save that map in case we need it." Uh here we go [Music]
yeah this part right here so that's the parking lot and you can do that loop and it's really and it's less than 3 miles it's less than it's less than 3 miles and if you want it to be 3 miles you can essentially go to the bridge and then
you're you know that's closer to three and back that might be a good idea for another one yeah I really because when um when they added the uh that white trail that has it has a little more hills to it you're going through
different um types of forests um but yeah what's the other parking on the far right this that's 27 oh that's 27 parking you have 27 Jersey nights soccer fields oh is that where
that is yeah and Jacques used to be the small as it's like it's doubled in size it's still It's not as big it's still not as big as the 27 lot that's That's huge that's huge but that's a nice place
to just do that loop would be great a great idea so that parking lot on the left is by the Blackwell Mill Road the junction of Cananan Road and the Blackwell Mill Road right that's where it comes from yes but there's a house in between that parking lot and Blackwell
Mills yes yeah okay all right sounds good so we got our plans so what time are you guys thinking well we can we just kind of pull the did last year maybe 10:00 if you want yeah i guess if we do if Suanne's okay with the
tour when cuz when I speak to her I just want to kind of tell her you know this is when it's starting and then she can let me know about You just pull up our flyer from last time and we kind of like maybe edit that and just kind of It's a June month right a pretty hot
month so maybe if we start 10 would be okay for people to come not too early not too late not too late before it start heating up around 12 we can finish 10:00 10:00 yep and it's a new time yeah it's good yeah we started at 10 you want to still
start at 10:00 or Yeah and then we can set up at 9:00 you know what I mean and it's not like you have to be there crazy 7:00 a.m setting home okay so we will do 10:00 a.m now you want Is it preferable to have the tour
before the walk or after the walk i would prefer to do the walk first i agree so tour afterwards okay okay and we can kind of collect people as we go along and then say "Oh there's a house tour." Yeah
always been curious now you can come inside and do we want to did we do Yeah we did registration with rec deck wreck desk last time we want that as well yes we want to limit that that's what they're going to ask me to cars or people at all or no
so are you worried i guess I I I think that um I'm not worried sometimes like limits personally no at John Clyde we always limit when we do the rec desk but we limit it by car only because of the parking issue that's the only reason yeah this year i don't really know that
they have so many cancellations yeah yeah i don't really know if it's you need to limit anything okay i will limit it across that bridge when you get to it cuz you can park around the house you can park on the lane there's that little
parking yeah I think it'll be okay okay awesome so if we do those two things I think that's enough for a day right perfect and then um and then I guess you know for the six mile run when we get to that point we
could think about like when we could do that yeah for sure whenever you guys if you want to do another one in the summer I'll wait till the fall and do a fall one cuz we don't we don't have anything in May do we uh no not that I know of
[Music] [Music] when is the When's the next one you're leaving Janasha 19th this month april 19th yeah [Music]
um oh I think we kind of run into that whole Memorial Day weekend issue i I think we did that we didn't get a big turnout when we did that what if we did one at six mile run made it for the fall and all and made it almost like a fall Halloweeny kind of cuz that seems like
like a Halloweeny place to me maybe I'm wrong you could do a story book one like of like the pumpkins like the spooky pumpkins or whatever mhm i don't know that could be fun
we also have um there's a a blackberry no a malberry tree there's a mulberry tree near the parking lot a malberry tree and a cherry tree but you got to hit it right and when you hit it right it's like
yay right summer yeah i remember picking up cherries last year it was loaded with cherries oh my goodness that's sweet a so it was June sometime June July
so maybe the trail shaded june that loop trail is that shaded the white part yeah the white trail it's Yeah it's mostly shaded actually there's like there's a meadow part you go out into and then you go back in the woods yeah and then the trail coming back there's actually like
a there's two paths you can go one within the trees and then one which is more along the farm there's still trees but not as as well protected as the other newer trail just trying to think in terms of comfort oh for shade
yeah you maybe then So this is going to be June 7th is National Trails [Music] Day july we have fire thinking of um September
but I it doesn't have to be September i was just thinking of you know times oh we have a firefly because we have firefly in July okay august but August is a tough month for people you don't really get too many takers yeah
okay so then maybe maybe X yeah um how about me toward the end of the May that's what I was looking at and then you kind of run into memorial i'm available in the May it's a vacation for me so I can do Okay
days during that time may is good for me if you are taking when I like to do May weekend would be better right so people can join always Saturday you have Mother's Day weekend and then you have Memorial Day weekend
memorial Day oh the weekend of the 24th today is 11th which is a memorial day which one so maybe like the maybe the 17th maybe May 17th okay so that week 11th is a mother's day 17th is a memorial day no
no we can skip that week memorial Day is the um 26th 26th okay so that weekend I can do either 24th that is Saturday 24th or 31st what about the 17th
17th is also fine well the 24th is Memorial Day weekend so you don't want to do that right so now you're up to the 17th yeah so 17 yeah okay then skip 24 17th May yeah yeah may 17th I can do May 17th
okay what type of do you need so I guess what do we need to do right i will let you know okay let me know like the logistics then we can put together a flyer and all that so we're talking about a six mile run right six mile run yeah yeah yeah
um you have a focus Dignash or you just thinking just brainstorming today no I will just think about it theme for my hike okay so you'll let me know the logistics together and all i I like this one to be
open to the public yeah yeah open to public not for school okay yeah this is open for public [Music] [Music] yes okay so you'll give me the details and then we'll figure it out so I'm happy to do it with you too sure
of course i would be interested cuz I haven't been there in a long long time on my calendar but I put it on my school's internal calendar by mistake oh god like I got to move it all right that sounds good great plants [Music]
mom okay and then we can maybe our next meeting we can start thinking about the fall stuff too um okay so National uh Trails Day planning um I think we're good i'll reach out to
Suan yeah Path Mobile House and Terra if there's any way we could like push DPW to put that trail sign we've been talking about the brown trail sign to have it outside there cuz it
does say toe path access on you put the new wood sign up which looks nicer but it's still not um clear to everybody that means hiking got it okay so you want the trail sign this is I'm at the intersection of Deont Avenue
intersection yeah eastn Avenue is this maybe why we can't get that done is avenue a county road and would DPW be the one to put the sign up or would the county be the one to put the sign up very nice of you to think that but that's the obstacle very nice of you to think that that's
there's somewhere they can put it i'm sure um maybe the county it could be i mean even if we put it like asking for this for as long as I've been I mean I haven't been on this board for very long but I've been on this board for a year
and a quarter so um that's kind of a long time to to put up a sign we're getting We're in the process of building the benches that we've been asking for t-shirts it's a process no no I get it i get I'm just wondering process
um Yeah got to figure out how to But I think when it's an event you know what I mean like I think it kind of some puts a little more steam into the process so yeah yeah if it's an event No and some Who has the sign that says TR Pike today
or any Doesn't someone have Oh I I have the I have the events today sign event today event today okay i have the event today sign and I have the um the hike today little little ones that I made from the signs you had gotten for the um story boards but they were too small so
I turned them into hike today signs okay [Music] um so we can use those as well and I know in the past um we have um put
up the National Trails Day uh sign at all of the trail heads if that's if if Tara can like share with us the final copy is that something that we could each like make sure it goes on our our trail head post
even if that means like taping it to the outside or the QR code you're talking about no I'm talking about the flyer the flyer for National Trails Day oh yes yes okay I'll share with you sure visibility just as a backup plan in case one person
isn't able to do them all great idea okay um the next item on our agenda is walk all trails program got it okay so I don't know if everyone had a chance to review the Google form that I sent out it's not live were you able to open
it even though it wasn't live or No I can't remember yeah this Google form you had mentioned to me it wasn't published were you able to open it or no you weren't able to open it and you weren't no one was okay who's doing message need this need form need to be published yeah I think it's two or three
times if you ask us as collaborators then I can do it i can see it but if you don't ask us collaborators we can all right so I'll I'll send it to you but we can go through it basically I put together the Google form so I sent I talked to Safy and told her about the trails we came up with the lengths and
everything so she's good with that she was like the next step is to try and put together this Google form i sent it to her i haven't heard back from her yet either but basically I'll send it to you all and if I publish it I mean even if I have to publish it no one knows it's published unless I just send it to you
guys so if I can't make you collaborators for some reason I can get recent change in a Google form before there was no tab for the publish but now they ask you to publish and then you can share the link so then we can access that link once you publish we all will be able to access it okay so I'll do
that after this then okay and you can do it as you can do it restricted you can do it publish and then put in got it but no one's going to be searching for somebody would have found it and hack it like I don't know right right so
basically this form it basically gives a little background on it it just says you know we encourage our residents to learn more about our 70 trails this program has 14 miles of trails uh basically says that what the program is which is we want to celebrate trail growers you have
14 trails 14.2 2 miles ranging in length length level of difficulty geography and amenities there's no order or time frame use all the trails in the current program the way you prefer and are able and then complete this form so one form for each trail because we basically collect it so basically the idea is you
finish the trail you fill out this form right and the QR code will be there um then I put these reminders in which it's basically like please do this at your own pace like I do not want you telling me you had felt like you had to run it at full speed and then who knows what
happens um the trails selected we're saying they range in difficulty so you're encouraged to visit the township's website to get information before you go you're required to complete a form for each trail if you want to get recognition please wear your appropriate clothing and footwear uh
sunscreen insect repellent um we ask you to bring food and water if you feel it's needed uh please dispose of your trash and also many sites do not have access to restrooms so I then put the links to our trails and the links to our committee and then basically here you go so I put it so one question is which of
the programs trails did you complete so all I have to do is click on which one you did right and these are the ones we approved um how did you enjoy these trails so did you walk it or bike it did you bird did you bird it i don't know if that's like a thing but I figured if
someone wants to go out there while they're birding and they walk the whole whole trail then why not you know um jog run did you do it as part of a planned event like one of our tac events um or just exploring it i put that in there because it's like I don't know maybe someone's like "Well I don't know did I
hike it did I walk it i'm not sure." So this is like you know what I just went and that's all um when did you visit these trails so you can either put in here if you want to put the exact date you're welcome to or if you want to say when summer of 2025 that's fine with me
too i'm basically trying to get like a general climate of the day that you went that's all what would you prescribe your level of activity so Safy wants this question in there so she can report it to the mayor's wellness campaign and this helps us convert to like approximately how many calories have
been burned without asking someone their weight basically that's all it is so it's rigorous average or leisurely um this is just for us we all these questions don't have to be in there by the way this is just for us but please describe your favorite part of
the trail this could be something you learned encountered the view a specific amenity etc so we're just Yeah and it it kind of like when we get the information back it'll kind of it gives us info that we can also post they like hey people
really like Nagot for their sunset view or uh then we have please let us know about your experience on the trail with the walk all trails program our mapping basically this is a part where you can put any comments to make our program better would you visit this trail again
or recommend it to a friend do you review did you review the website for level of difficulty in mapping so this is a question I want to ask in terms of mapping we don't have to ask it here but I'm trying to find out if our mapping is really working for people and then the next question is did you find the
information and trail map consistent with the trail and overall helpful um this is another safy question how long did it take you to complete the trail so again minutes we can turn into exercise which can turn into calories and what age range are you in how often
do you exercise 18 or older um to fill out this form apparently I guess it has to be 18 or older we could have a an adult fill it out I guess um I guess we could add in like under 18 and just parent yeah parent or you know with a
guardian I guess i don't know i could do that though for sure yeah yeah i think the kids might want to do it yeah we can add that in uh and then how often do you exercise in a week again this is another way of basically asking someone like you know
what's your not what's your weight but we need to kind of understand what's up here and then that's it thank you for participating please provide your contact information so we can recognize you at a meeting so when we get all of the information in we can basically actually I wonder if I should have a
question on there that says like is this your final submission cuz I'm just trying to think like how am I going to know that they actually this is their last so I should add in so for the walk all trail let me just write this down we're going to add in age category for
18 and under age 18 and or I'm sorry 17 right and under and then question um basically like does this submission complete you know the program for you make some of these I have a required
question I'm sorry I don't think you should make all of these questions be required I see the little red dot next to all the questions right minimize the number of questions that are actually required to be answered to like name where you because there are a lot of
questions here and people are just Yeah they might especially they have to do this for every trail they do yeah that was the question I had to ask like I know there were tick boxes for the different trails yes so now but the questions are they going to come up
every time there's a tick box that means for each trail that they have walked they're going to answer these questions yes for each trail they've walked they'll answer how would you differentiate it in in a form like you will only take one and Yeah you're supposed to do one form per trail i
thought about trying to make it combined but it's just like Yeah in terms of collecting our data for what we need it would be a lot easier to separate them so this way we can put all of the bunker hills together all of the Butler roads
together and it also allows Safy to get the information through the mayor's wellness are the tick boxes unique in the terms like if you tick one you will not be able to tick the others i'm not sure actually it could be probably do that because that will create confusion
they might say "Hey I went to three of them and tick all three and assume one." It has to be one only yes i hear what you say so yeah this should say either use it like a Dropbox where you can choose one trail or just make it exclusive normally you can you can set
it up right so it doesn't you don't have to say it it just lets you pick more than one because otherwise you're actually right all the data will be merged all over the place yeah although why wouldn't you let people because they're only supposed to do one at a time then how would you recognize the person at the end where you are
saying the last question so at the end I want I think I should have a question there that basically says is this like the last trail that you're completing because when they've done all the trails then they're supposed to be able to come and get recognized at a township meeting but my question is unless I'm looking
for it how would I know that they did all the trail i guess you will receive the multiple uh Google form submissions from the person let's say I walk five times and I fill up this form five every time I walk I will submit the form so
you will have a five entries from me but that person if using the different email ID then it will be figure out the same person oh you're right or maybe or we can I don't have their name yeah oh yeah this form we can
ask people to like if you have walked minimum five trails or let's say walk minimum this many trails fill up this form well the only thing though is we want to get data about each trail yeah so Oh yeah that gives us the
thing effort like I don't say Excel but a grid or something like you'll have the name and then you have the trails and then when you get their form check check check and then yeah so instead of at the bottom where we ask them to write in their name I should have a required question that's
their name because you're right say they use a different email address doesn't matter if I have their name though I can track it oh you can track it yeah okay so so and this way it doesn't matter what they fill it in so once I have 14 Jignasha Patels I know it's over right
okay and then I don't have to ask them that that makes sense yeah with the name you can recognize the person that makes sense okay yeah because I'll get an alert that it comes in and so once I see that oh this person has now 14 entries we know they're done okay
that makes sense that makes sense we don't have to keep all these questions in here we can absolutely remove some the health ones are kind of we're kind of stuck with but like the trails what did you complete we need that how did you enjoy them that would be good to know biking bird something else I'm
thinking like looking at that one Terra is it's not just walk all trails then right just want to like explore i know should be like walk/explore or it could just be explore I guess but I feel like I like the way walk all trail sounds i don't know although it's
not really walk that's a title it could be explore explore all trails or maybe if we call it like we leave it called walk all trails but maybe like in
here yeah um it could be explore i'm fine with it we don't have any like branding yet or anything i just Yeah you know originally I was just like walking and then I was like what if you don't you know what if you don't walk or what you know i mean you could probably put
down there which activities did you like then you have those options that might The other thing though is like say with the biking so say you bike the trail like biking we can then use that as a different like if we know what you did
we can probably get closer to you know the level of exercise and and all that i don't know do you guys like all explore all trails better or I mean I think walk is fine
i'm not pushing against walk i was just wondering if we should add like since we're have offering something else but we'll figure it out when they go through there i guess more complicated um enjoy all trails okay when did you visit i mean that's a question we could probably
get rid of we don't really need it yeah cuz you're going to get a Yeah okay so we'll remove the That's one so remove the when question i mean I don't I don't know the why we need to calculate
calories or anything like that but I would I I would honestly get rid of all the questions around the what would you describe your level of activity like you're vigorous i mean that's just Well we want to that's not for us that's for it's for us a little bit only
because it also it coincides with our local health assessment so it's one of the trails projects that we can do i'm sure there must be some it's logical to somebody it's not to me so our lo our local health assessment it really calls for you know promoting the use of our
trails in terms of health using health as like but I don't think this measure well whatever I mean yeah what the the percentage of people that actually use our trails and the and the the overlap of people that fill out this form is going to be managingly small on
I don't think the data that we're going to collect from this is meaningful enough to to actually collect it to we might be surprised barrier to collect maybe we'll be surprised maybe i'm just that was my if we push it at National Trails Day my humble opinion um I'm just wondering at the sequence of them if you
want they put those together in a row the ones that are just kind of like the data ones it does take why is the government asking me how often I It's not the government asking it's just we're just trying to I just
was putting this in the context of of like really what we're trying to do is we wrote this local health assessment and action plan part of it is to incorporate health into all of our adding to the project and trying to Yeah um
I mean we I guess we could probably get rid of one of these questions rigorous versus I didn't want to answer all these questions this trail again we want that experience um I'm trying to see hold on let me see if there's something I can get i mean we
can get rid of the mapping questions we don't really need those yes I would get rid of every question that is unnecessary i mean that was really more just for me to see if our mapping is working but I can get that other ways so that will get
rid of So so far we'll get rid of one two the mapping is working by the nature of the fact that they just hiked the trail do you have that in the introduction you know the the top of you know the beginning of the page the beginning of the forum do you have something like
that visit yeah do you have something about the um where to find the info yeah yeah oh yeah we have the links for the map and then for committee and about the trail okay so if I get rid of the mapping and we get rid of the when Well
the when you will approximately get because anytime when you get an email have that so you don't need to yeah it will have a date and time both so she would know like okay when it is submitted you can remove that question yes that I have to remove do we want to
keep I I think this is nice for us please describe your favorite that's a good qu I like that i I would just ask what did you like what did you like about it tell us about your experience here's your And you could probably add i wouldn't I wouldn't ask anything else um
not approximately how long did it take to complete the trail [Music] right i mean it's nice for us to have it and we can report on it which is always nice you know um can you interpolate
data with average vigorous or leisurely probably could yeah we probably could maybe reduce the number of options so that mean you just have to instead of having so many I mean rid of it and keep rigorous whatever else it was and leisurely
this question anyway get answered by that other question those questions are kind of linked okay so I'll remove the amount of minutes but you don't think that you don't think Sam needs that if she has rigorous medium and whatever the
other one was she can kind of deduce it but you're not going to know how for how long we won't know for exactly how long no well you know the Okay so you'll know the distance unless we get rid of the other question distance they'll know the distance because the trail correct yeah actually maybe we should get rid of the
other question the rigorous versus whatever because if we knew the minutes and we know the length of the trail then actually that's more helpful this that's probably a better remove the rigorous like an odd question to me the speed at which you went at which I would have
abandoned the speed you're judging me and you would have gotten nothing and keep keep your hat right seriously keep and keep minutes okay that makes sense cuz then we can figure out and here too if you say less than 45 minutes
45 to 60 and 60 to 90 i think you know three options people will answer it more rather than if you have so many I just think we might need to have a bit of a range because there's such a range of trails and distances yeah but then you think anything is going to be 15 minutes or 20
minutes well so the one trail that's in there at Middle Bush Park it's kind of though an extension of one is that that kids trail so that would take less than 15 minutes most likely but we can make it 30 minutes or less i think that's 30 minutes or less okay what
about a Well no the age range is going to have to stay in the exercise per week i can ask her if we can get rid of this yeah I would that is such a There is zero chance I would continue the survey after that gosh paranoid that I mean like but I'm just thinking
for the health survey purpose right like this because the interesting data would be it's not a health survey it's a it's a we're going to give you a sticker if you walk all the trails and you're asking but the data does go like a hating the health data also yeah the health
data collecting you know what I'm saying i mean it's just like I get it but it's not just true i guess that the data it could give us so I'm thinking back to like when when Chris Kelly shared with us have a useful sample the data like the when Chris Kelly was here from the Somerset County Open Space and
he had you saw those the pamphlets he had and they had like all their accomplishments color and they had a brochure and I'm just thinking for us like some of this data might be good for us if we're saying I get it i just don't think you're going to collect this data
i don't think it's going to be successful if we ask all just half done well if we if people are willing to do it then it's we'll be good but if not I mean yeah no one does certificate will be the sample just don't make it mandatory shooting yourself in the
answer the question answer the questions the ones we'll make a few mandatory like their name some Yeah we'll make optional and the other ones definitely make the vast majority of the questions optional name and email right so Yep yeah name
email and what what you what you hiked is the mandatory all right uh let's see that's it then for that so if we go through this make those changes and then I'll send it out to all
of you to give one last look and then hopefully the idea Safy wants to do is kind of like put it on our web page we can advertise it and then as people start filling it out and stuff we can recognize them so if only one person say
only one person does it you know we can recognize them but say we get a group of three or four then we can recognize them together mhm that's the idea so when do we start this and when do we end it and we were going to say it was going to just be like rolling you know whoever
does it gets acknowledged as we roll perfect okay got it yep and then once the form is up like we don't have to make changes or anything it's just you fill this out once you do your thing you get recognized and you'll get we hope you'll get some you'll definitely get
something but you'll also get you know called up and the mayor will give you a little certificate and you know recognize you and stuff so that's nice for you can do it absolutely you can do it you can be the first winner the one and only
yeah why not you guys are citizens and we need people to do this we need to up your asp we won't say your last name on this little we'll just say and that's it so they won't realize you're on the committee
we'll be like here you go since we're on trails we picked the the uh the gifts and then the gift is good enough I'll do it too right yes I like it okay we couldn't enter the photo contest right yeah I
don't think even the photo contest Well you guys were judging it this is just like you know okay um the tour to Franklin is that still that's still happening right yeah it's 27th this month 27th cuz I know we had talked about Yeah in do
something in partnership to have like a trails option cuz I was just thinking would this be ready but now I got thinking oh wait a minute that's that's soon i think it's too late that's soon yeah they have all their stuff planned all right we'll have to get that for
next year next year oh we talked to Mark about that i think he's pretty involved with that yeah okay all righty okay um the improvements to the bird blind so Chris Williams and Jim
and Bob Puscus right who else went anybody else that we know i was just there with Chris and it was only for one day so you know no that was still really helpful so so Jim went and helped Chris with some of the work i know Bob Puscus went and helped him pick up some materials that he needed um so he has
started uh the work and he's going to keep you know doing it as he can but so far this is what it what he's done so far so he was able to let me see if he wrote he wrote me a uh just the one picture that you had already linked yeah
he sent me just the one i have some i have some we've both been there to check it out ah is that the It looks different is it different well it's the it's the outside the siding the cuts The cuts are the
same i think so yes cuts are the same no I think they're different i think Why did he change it they're smaller they are smaller i thought we were keeping it the same i'm confused he started So and we appreciate you Chris if you're listening um he started
the working on it like basically as soon as he left our OSAC meeting he started immediately work like taking it down so that was basically he emailed me and was like oh hey I took down you know the parts of the bird blind i was like oh well it was approved that is true open
space approved it but it hasn't like gone to the council like for funding like the funding is approved but it's like we didn't buy anything like he Yes so but he is working hard on it and Jim thank you for helping him um I think his
feeling was is you know it's smaller less intrusive so I think that's what his uh thinking behind it was okay you know having smaller Okay but we did not approve changing the
design so that's my confusion like we we we approved the repairing it the repairing the restoring it it was like restore repair so okay where the slots i'm I appreciate the work too
is the um Is the bench still there yes but yeah the flooring's got to be redone got to be done the fencing's got to be redone he still has a lot of work to do and he's working on it but he really really wanted to start it in March like he absolutely wants to start it in March
and uh and then I got a picture like hey he took half the bird flying down i was like I get those pictures too so I went like oh but yeah so he continues to work on it and like I said Jim has been a great volunteer i feel like someone from the environmental commission also
volunteered but I can't remember who it was i thought there was a general I didn't know it was actually happening did something go out that was actually happen how did you know it was actually happening well because I let Tara know it's like if if he needs help just have he let me know if he Jim said if he needs any help but I got a text
literally of a picture of half of a bird blind that's how I found out and I just walked there and saw it and I was like "Oh it was much bare." He had been working on it but it was ripped open but he still continues to work on it it's
going to take some time so I know Bob took him bob Puscus the chair of the open space committee took him to get he needed more siding i guess okay so he went and got that and uh yeah so continue continues on that's the only update I have as of
right now that's the picture I had that's there oh yeah that's the picture I got that's a similar like similar That's like similar to what I received wow that's the the studs okay those are new studs old those the old studs right
old yeah the frame was good so now so is the like so like Oh that's all we have huh that's it like is it still going to look like that in the front i don't Well I don't think so cuz it looks like the siding is
done on the front no that's the back that's facing the pond that's facing the pond yeah yeah that's what you're talking about the front lighting pond wall that wall is facing the pond mhm all right look out the purple
listen you were there you saw me at that open space meeting getting hot and bothered right and this is what I say yes nobody else would have me hot and bothered yes i was getting angry yes i was getting annoyed because they didn't
want to spend the money well Space did not want to spend any money so that's the thing we have a volunteer and which is great and he's doing it he's an amazing person love him thank you Chris but it's like what we had talked about right and we really wanted
So the breakfast is the the back oh yeah i know which is those right the size of it anyway storing it the size of it seems to by the by the framing by the frames yeah yep yeah so those spots are good based on the
framing yeah those cuts but there But there was um previously there was more than just those two slits like I believe there was like a like if we were sitting and you can easily see them well cut if if that
isn't apparent in the framing but I mean that could it is if you could still get cut out i mean that's you cut you cut the holes after you put the siding up right oops so the wrong thing i'm sorry that you don't see holes now doesn't mean that there won't be holes in the future i'm going to hold you to that i'm
going to hold you to that i'm just telling you how you saw right i didn't get cuz I it would need a router you me we're going to go be out there cutting the holes i need a very long cord oh I see yeah yeah yeah that's the way it looked like yeah you do that with a
router though it's not super impossible okay what do you have right here yeah see this is what and this is all I'm saying is is we have the money in the open space trust fund to do stewardship we should have paid the money to do the we should have paid the
money but Open Space did not like they never do they never want to spend any extra money so when you have a volunteer doing it and we're on his schedule and he's out there making decisions about all the approvals too they were worried about the applications
and the approvals and and the study and you know Yeah say that again that's the original yeah yeah i get the the holes get cut after the and if they aren't we can ask to cut them i mean you know maybe maybe we like it that way maybe we
like it that way maybe the bottom width like you say for for sitting that'd be just lighting up and then you cut your your window holes so all right moving on um local health assessment action plan and micromobility project so we've been
talking about for a little while uh looking at the local health assessment and the microobility plan and kind of picking out a project that trails could work on and the thought was maybe we could make it so that we pick one that's in
both um just to kind of you know so it saves you know work basically for us right so let me get up the there's a lot in both those reports that assessment was huge that was a great effort by the way everyone who was on
that you did a great job cuz there thank you that was yeah that was a lot was front and center picture that was a lot yes that a lot of work but it was good and we use it all the time the shade tree commission is
using it um our environmental commission using it we have a couple so if we go to the end the action plan part so any of these things here these are like the main recommended actions and this comes from all our review of the formula of the formula of the data so the first one
there's probably maybe not much in here for us franklinites are proud champions of diversity i mean we definitely already kind of hold some some events for different uh ages and abilities i don't know if that one's really for us local transportation is lacking um this
kind of corresponds with the microobility study a little bit uh this is transportation items so this is transportation alternatives well before just pause for one second i know you're talking about the diversity you're talking about with the abilities i know that is something you've been talking about as far as making them accessible
like having some more wheelchair accessibility so yes that's part of that could be a project that we take on is like making one trail more I guess it depends on how big of a project we want to pick out you know um microobility is a problem in the township we are looking
at um making connections to bike lanes trails and pathways so this is one example in here and I can look at the microobility study and show you one thing that the township is not working on a lot right now is our mental health services i don't know if there's like some interesting way that we can so this
these recommendations are providing training for first responders for assessment of people with mental disabilities promoting services with Richard Hall i don't know if maybe we could do a trail walk that is related to suicide prevention during like suicide
prevention month or um there is uh at at Richard Hall they have this Trevor Project hotline but also at Somerset Medical I guess it's now Robert Wood Johnson University Barnabas they have I think it's the only or the large it's
the first I know that it's an emergency services treatment room specifically for LGBTQIA population maybe we could do some type of outdoor you know walk or event with that group um the first
thought that came to my mind was you know there's like a whole suicide prevention month i don't know if we can like partner and do a type of walk with that that would be one way of addressing mental health and mental distress although I don't know if that's really our wheelhouse maybe it's not so I'm just going to go through all item 2C
right above the mental the training yeah oh no i'm saying it's the the the one the slide above mhm 2c right there you were there a second ago by the way I'm I skipped back because I was looking at it separately item 2 C is to is to do the
micromobility study so there's overlap right by definition everything in the micromobility study is called out here because this action item 2C is to do the microbility study it is and we've done the Yes which has a bunch of recommendations in it about impro
improving you know access uh last mile access right this talks about correct you know and kind of improving uh you know uh micromobility safety which I think in the you know making trails
accessible to to like you're right like scooters or or you know uh microobility devices to for last mile transportation in the more densely populated parts of the of the town to separate them a little bit from cars might might very impel overlap there so the microobility
study this is a map without going through the whole micromobility study this map here shows the two priority routes that have been let me zoom into this area cuz this is a good uh which area do I want to zoom into give me one second to get my bearings
here okay let's do this one um this shows what the two priorities that came out of the microobility study were and one is they're calling the middle bush Williams route this is something I've been looking at a lot lately so this would correspond with what Robert just
pointed out one thing here is this purple here is a proposed shared use path and this would basically be the a connection between Franklin Middle School and Hillrest Elementary School that would basically then allow this
path to kind of cut through both schools so that's one example of I don't know if there's something we can do in there um you know they talk about putting in bike bike corral they're called bike repair stations that's something maybe
we can advocate for along the trail putting in bike paths bike corral bike repair stations that's a great little you know advocate to have a have a trail created there because making that connection makes biking safer and and predominantly for a population that is
Let me zoom in you know middle schoolers tend not to have driver's licenses right right this is A1 let me zoom into A3 okay so this is what we're talking about here so basically this is showing a way to get from non Williams to Middlebush
that's why they call it name or they call Williams Middlebush the cool thing is is it basically brings you right past the youth center and in between these two schools if we can make this connection so that's something we could focus on that could be a project for us
so how I'm sorry how would you get from Nathan Williams to Hillrest school so you basically like you have your existing path here in non Williams uh and then you can follow it how does it go i think you want to follow it
if you go on the streets you don't not streets but you go on the street and then they have black black dash if you go the black dash I think just denotes the project that's the corridor yeah that's
to to make to turn Parkside street into into a little bit more of a bicycle boulevard right so improvements to the road that'll make it safer for bicyclists but to designate as a as a safe uh you know or or a place where you try to make improvements to make the safe corridor but to make the continuous
corridor and the thing that we could probably have most impact on especially given that it's we're about to head into a period where you know there's not a ton of money in and budgets yeah is to is to concentrate on that little bit of nonroad trail that's the black I think
that's the black line right so they they say here so they list it out in text so for the to make A3 happen we would be specifically looking at this the Dutton Street path it's a narrow neighborhood street that quickly transitions to an informal maintenanceoriented path between the athletic fields so what they
recommend is we pave the existing path between the athletic fields and extend the shared extend a shared use path to Franklin Boulevard leading to Norma Avenue and then once you get to the crossing at Norma Avenue so they recommend installing advanced signs and
curb extensions consider providing this is those beacons those flashing beacons um then they have Bicycle Boulevard components complete the sidewalk so we literally could take this table and say we're going to focus on this because this is the missing piece
so basically what they recommend is paving this it's existing apparently because it's like a desire path even with I mean even the the redstone that we use elsewhere would be a step up right from from what we could focus on this and potentially uh putting in what else could we put in
there an amenity that would be like a nice amenity like would that be a good spot for a bike repair station i mean anything that you can get right aim for for paving and a you know a repair station bike rack right parking now who this was through the grant that did the
study right so we got a grant to complete a community energy plan from New Jersey Board of Public Utilities when we did that we ended up using that grant money with their permission to create this micromobility study instead um and so yes so this was done now we
only had $10,000 so we couldn't do a townshipwide one we only did this area no I guess I'm just wondering you know the people from Franklin Middle School and Hillrest school like what do they think that I'm not 100% we that would be part of our project we would go to the school we would work with them we would
present to council and ask for the money from so that would be all of us if I read this correctly that line represents one of those places where the ground is worn right because people are already using it as a desire path basically yeah yeah i don't Yeah I don't know that like
that's that's what that's what the report says it is yeah it's like worn down it's worn down there it's a desire path basically yeah so a field there's kind of woods on one side right and then there's like the athletic field yeah the
athletic field is Yeah yeah there's a big hill like there's a big hill going from the middle school fields down to Franklin Boulevard so that's all that's why I didn't um Okay it's kind of like So if we were to take number nine is
that little baseball field and then there's the slope there right so us taking on a project like this this would be a great project for us but it would be so we're obviously not going to go out there and build a path but what it would be is we would propose it to the
council if they said yes we would then be like "Okay we're going to speak to the school district and see if they're okay with this." if we need permission or this or that then it would be putting together a cost estimate and getting the approval to actually put it in and at the same time we should think about the
amenities that should be there there probably should be a bike repair station and maybe there should even be I don't know what else we'd have to think wait I'm sorry where's Hamilton Street on here uh Hamilton this is Hillrest right uh Hamilton this is 27
so here right there here yeah yeah Francis Street goes to M will Hamilton yeah I think that would be a good connection between the middle school and of course the elementary too to the uh youth center i think so too that should
be the uh Yeah now in order to make this whole thing work there's these options that have to be done but if we start off with this path now we're we're making the missing connection and then after that we really could go cuz a lot of it is like extending the curb putting these
flashing lights in it's not um you know there's not a ton of That's really the biggest thing is this paving and getting any approvals and etc i'm sorry could you go back to the map i asked about Hamilton i really meant Franklin Boulevard
oh that's right in front of Hillrest so that zippered line that zippered line yeah the train tracks that's Ricker Boulevard yeah yeah right that's what I thought so I'm I'm imagining this i'm like "Huh?"
I'm trying to see it on my the Google maps right you can see the It's right in the middle of the cross country course all that stuff we're talking about i know those hills well yeah it's like the baseball field right as as you were saying there's a baseball field there and I mean it is there is a
hill right but you can but you can definitely see how improving right transport there you need to do a lot of Yeah cuz from the street is like a downhill in terms of gravel
also and this students to use their bike for home and school between home and school and when we say bike it include ebike also right and these are the students you know they will like to try to do some stunt also because they get
the special path for bike or ebike right so they will do stunt and other things and those things crossing the Franklin border world And normal goes downhill break downhill into Franklin Boulevard so you Yes right if you're going the other direction
and ebike might you know the battery issues also it happened in New York many incidents with the battery i think what the consultant is saying which probably is true is that you know upon their inspection there are people using it there are definitely so we can
you know the idea is like make it you know put the signals in pave it make it because they have to make it as safe as possible especially keeping the students in mind the school students because there are two schools yeah i I think
like you know like um figuring out is that I guess I guess they're recommending that we leave it there and we don't try to move it to a different spot because my only other thought is like you were when you were pointing out the curve like I know my parents live on New Brunswick Road like
where it curves and it's very dangerous it is so dangerous cuz people just zoom around that corner and then even if they see you by the time they see you it's too late um so we're talking about right around in here somewhere so this is
Norma A yep okay this is Norma this is Franklin Boulevard this is Hillrest and this is Franklin Middle School right and they were saying right in front of the football field like this is what they were saying to extend it but I don't know no no no it's not quite
there it's here it's Norma is where the cross is norma see you see the Yeah yeah you see this so they want to make it direct here right this is the pattern connects to there talking now here it's you're right
it's a it's a steep incline right so it would have to be you know something like like you know that like if you look at the shape there's like a a weird shape in in the drawing yeah people are doing this anyway they're crossing here right so yeah see what it's saying to come
around like that so if you jump back to the to the to the other picture right so if you saw that this is Norm Avenue you're going around that hill yeah you're doing something like this you but if you can the point is that the the what the report is saying is if you go there you'll see the right desire path
as you called it where it's worn where people are walking anyway so why don't we make the improvements that are required to kind of see it almost where it comes out of the woods there you can kind of barely see it yeah this this right so but the but can you go back to the recommend advocate for improvements
now this is the straight path if you cross here you'll get you kill and I I mean I agree with you you got to figure out how to slow down the traffic but make the improvements here so that where does it So it hits at normally you're saying yeah approximately yeah so it's
on I'm trying to understand on the side what side of the the shrubs it's on the left side so it's going beyond the shrubs so you see it's going here by the driveway no it's making a J oh you can see it a little bit you can
see the wearing right there and then around you can't see it in the woods but you can see the wearing where it comes out and it's connecting that's what people are doing okay so but you're saying Yeah i mean it's not been surveyed or anything so it's not 100% accurate but you can see people are coming through here they're coming out
of there and they're shooting right over now with that connection done you can literally then make it all the way over to um the middle bush area by using streets and in and once striping is upgraded and
be I mean it's not just like hey now go it's ready but the more if we can put in the flashing lights and the correct signals and the striping over time but that's the thing as of right now basically unless you're willing to do this you know what people are already
doing you get to Norma and basically you're you come to a stop well I mean you take your life into your own hands right right right kids are probably told Go ahead which may be the reason why not a lot of kids are doing it so if we are
going to do we need to make sure that the traffic is taken care of because we are actually introducing a whole range of we're not introducing anything there's a there's a crosswalk like you know and the kids know that okay there is not a proper road so if
I'm going to do it I'm taking a risk so they kind of hesitate there's a crosswalk there well there's a crosswalk yeah there's a crosswalk there we're not introducing anything except yes it's dangerous well I shouldn't say it's danger there's a crosswalk but it is dangerous and there's a large
apartment complex right down the road so that's where all the kids are pretty populated area so it's the other thing the consultant did which is helpful as part of the project they gave us a cost estimate it is very basic it's like basically like we're engineers and we know roughly how much this is going to
cost um but if you look here so what we're looking to do is this 10t wide shared use path is that correct yes so they're basically saying you know it could be upwards of you know
$133,000 by the time you do all the savings right i think that's everything in this in this uh in the entire proposal we're only talking about one little that is Yeah that's for the that's for the whole path yeah we're talking about that one little path not the whole proposal that little section
by Norman Avenue to the football field yes across the street from Norman Avenue yes across the street but the lighting and stuff even these though look at high visibility crosswalks high visibility crosswalk you can get two crosswalks it
looks like they're 80 $840 each but here north side of sidewalk allowance and 60 grand if you include the sidewalk so here's the situation though so if we were to take this on as our project yes this is money right but if we are going
to advocate for it we have to explain spending this money is going to connect people from name Williams Park through these two schools past our new youth center so no it we made sure that the path proposed goes right past the youth center so it goes the other way too
people coming from school now they've passed the youth center maybe they go in more maybe they feel more comfortable maybe they know the area better there's nothing wrong with spending money but that would be part of our job is to advocate why and we have the we have the evidence we have the mapping we have the C so that would be our project like hey
in terms of um like local health assessment and micromobility this is going to improve health this way it's going to improve micro moability this way and this is why we recommend it you know I think it's a good project and it makes sense to us i mean it's not a
whole path but it really you know I mean the path part is the tiny little piece of it i don't think these numbers are for everything that's in this giant micromobility proposal this is a tiny little piece of it um those numbers were for that little piece we were looking at this is I think it was this here this is
the This is number nine the 10- foot wide shared use path yeah but that's over i mean we don't necessarily need all that that's That is That includes the paving the permitting massive overkill for what what I think ultimately you know matters there i think what really matters is improving
the safety of the Norma you know that's the estimate that they're giving us you have to anticipate that so I don't want to like dismiss that number i'm not dismissing the number i'm saying we anticipate as for a 10 foot wide shared use path yeah we reduce it or maybe they
want to go with it but everything's expens and that's fine the other thing is is that the NJ the New Jersey Transportation Planning Authority and the New Jersey Department of Transportation they have this thing called a lending library it's like an equipment lending library we could
actually borrow um you could borrow these beacons you can borrow like certain types of signage for an amount of it's almost like like a library but for transportation items and we can see how it works before we commit to something so that's another thing we could say like hey we'll try to get some
of these things from the lending library so like I mean how's everybody feeling about it i mean there was a bunch of different ideas we kind of stopped at this one yeah i honestly when I saw this one too I was like that is probably a good one because it really it it meets our mission it it meets what we're
trying to do which is a health project and a and a trails project and it's different than what we normally do i mean we could go the other way and do more events and things like that but this would be us basically getting behind something that the town has already committed money to and already
like wanted to study there's a big hill there and they know there's a big hill there yes from the fields down to Boulevard and in terms of the concept of micromobility right the point is is to improve non-automobile
right of the ability to move in you know in the town right and that is a that is a break point right exactly as you say for the reasons of the terrain for the reasons of the road and the way Franklin Boulevard is a is a higher speed road than it than it you know than it kind of
needs to be um I think if we bring you know uh awareness right I think that would be our role is to think of the awareness is that this is the point this is the linking point right that would end up connecting these two neighborhoods and
uh and would do would have would would improve the the most utility for the most number of people right you got kids that have to go to school and they all live on the other side right of Franklin Boulevard so how do you make that connection point uh between those two things and then it ends up opening up a
a a corridor a non-automobile corridor all the way through town right all the way to the library frankly in Middle Bush Park i agree and I hear some other voices i think can I just say one quick thing i think it builds too on other work we've done like we've done the green infrastructure work at Neon Williams Park you know so it really kind
of builds upon those kinds of things which is great i like it anybody else have any ideas or it's something to get behind we don't we don't have to decide that we really have to think about it because I I drove from
Nathan Williams through there um it's a hard go on a bike um and it's just streets and cars parked on the streets cars parked on the streets people coming and going really fast it's downhill from Norma into Franklin
Boulevard i know what you're saying about putting a path in between those but is encouraging that a good thing without Can they just have sidewalks on both sides do they go all
the way up the hill i'm trying to remember if they go What's that i'm sorry sidewalks go from Hillrest all the way up Franklin Boulevard yes they do i think on the Hillrest side there's there's nothing on the on the Norma yeah and could we make this street safer for
bikes if we're encouraging people to bike through that would be the road question about that because it's uh we can't do fast and there's park cars and I just I know what you're saying just scares me kids on bikes there we could I mean so we
definitely could look at a different project we don't have to decide tonight um because it's like our own project that we're trying to decide on there's no time limit um we could recommend that the other things get done first but basically having all those signals and striping
changes done without the ability to actually cross so it's almost like you need that complete and then make it the whole So I understand what you're saying i I totally get where you're coming from i don't know which is better first yeah i don't know i have to think it through
a little bit cuz I wasn't thinking about that particular path chilasha I agree what she said yeah it's a wonderful uh idea great idea very beneficial but my only concern is the safety we could even go out and look at it we
can think of another project but for tonight's purposes I think we went through this project and maybe we keep it on for next meeting and keep looking through other projects and see maybe in the meantime if you guys do have a chance to go look at it look at the area maybe do that does that make
sense see that area spend some time standing there watching people i'd even like to walk i like to know who's walking there too i don't know so I just have a couple thoughts like I want to make sure everyone has you know it's the same what we're talking about and I thought we were kind of like going through everything and then going to
kind of go back and and I think we kind of drilled down with this which is a really great one to drill down on but there's a couple things I'm wondering like what what do the people who live there think and what do the people who work there at those schools think because like I don't know the ins and the outs right like where do people
cross naturally who are being safe like I want to know that i want to know that would be part of the project like if we decided to take that on before we like presented anything that would be our like that would be part of our work of the project and the other thing is like I was really excited before when you were talking about mental health and
like I just know how much nature is such a mental health reset yes so I wouldn't want to dismiss our opportunity to really pull people like you were talking about at risk teens at risk youth like pulling them in and having being doing
that with some intention like we've never talked about that before i would love to talk about that a bit more um doesn't have to be our main goal but just something to consider there's a lot of things we can use i mean wellness nature the whole total of a human being
and I know that we had kind of moved away we we we used to like sponsor the whole um walk and roll you know and we moved away from that as a committee saying that that wasn't our priority focus that the trails were our priority
focus not streets right so like these are all things that are just running through my head i like all of these things like I think it's a good thing um but I just want us to just factor in those different pieces and Tara not for anything but this is a heavy lift for you more than any of us yes so it's so
easy for us like Yes we're not doing anything we're just going to give you our opinion and we're going to go check it out but like so it's really your heavy lift um and if you're passionate about I we're going to factor that in no I didn't finish the
whole thing we just We didn't get the whole thing but we're it's going to take time to get through it because we're trying to basically look at two big reports and figure out what is best for us right now the mental health walks and stuff we might be like "Hey let's add that on to our list of walks." And that's a project too but it's an easier
project for us to kind of get our our bear you know the partnering with the right people you know partnering with people who are focused on mental health have them instead of walk with the cop you know walk with a therapist yeah that's true walk with an ally walk an advocate there must be some organizations that you can pair up with
that would sponsor things like this so they're already doing it like in the Franklin Soccer Club they have this program Top Soccer where it's special needs kids and then you know they have you know high school volunteer kids as their buddies to help them with the soccer or you could do something with the parents or parents with their
special needs kids but I'm sure there's organizations that would know cuz I mean this top soccer it wasn't just created by Franklin Soccer it was something that an organization that's already in existence and they probably give you guidance and you know how they do it so you're not reinventing the wheel so it
seems it's going on for a number of years so it's almost like makes me think about therapeutic wreck like you know it's kind of like that need meeting our our our resource where we can just kind of like if there's somebody already who's wanting to do this has the organization has the connections and
we're like okay we'll lead the hike right right absolutely i'm getting overwhelmed there's a lot of great options let's keep it on the agenda again for next month i would say Ann Marie Jignasha and Vanessa anybody if you do have a chance
to go there and just peek i would say before the next meeting it probably be helpful if you want if I could park in Hillrest school and go back down to the sidewalk and go back up would I find that path that we're talking about right would I absolutely i can show you we we ride our bikes at the you know the track
that goes around the football field oh do you yeah from our house you know what is it uh Leed goes all the way goes straight to those fields yeah oh well let's look at it and when we do get a project you know we'll take our time
with it we'll go through all the steps it's exciting this is really exciting thank you it is you know I'm you know you know right that I'm way more interested in in in trails as as transportation interest rather than you know weekend therapeutic right
stuff that you're drawing is true so I'm I am excited about something like this being the gold but I get it there's there's a lot of different you know different types of interests so this is but this is this is looking at it as transportation infrastructure right in the town i think I think by the way the
very reason that you have concerns that it is a relatively speaking unsafe connection is the exact point right for why you should invest in making it a safer thing will we be able to get everything that's listed you know in the in the plan maybe not but I think uh
what's really important is it is clearly a connection i think we should go take a look at it and see if it's a use connection and then think about what can we do to improve this connection point as part of the transportation infrastructure of the town right and that would be uh and that's where I see our our mandate you know kicking in
because it's a non-automobile uh transportation infrastructure and if it's unsafe then maybe that's that's something worth trying to make safer that's the perspective that I see it from i just want to verify that that proposal is the best proposal oh yeah that's like you're saying like if we
don't want to encourage people to use a route that maybe isn't the best then we might want to modify that no I'm think I'm hoping that that's it's close to that curve i think it's connection to I think it's the connection to norm right that that is is what because if you look at the norm ends up connecting we're
going to come back to this we're going to come back to this there's these are good things and like I said this is a really heavy lift for T you're right it's a lot to look at for us and so we might want to pick two things something that's going to be a heavier lift for us the table this is and for this is more I mean you know we can't really do
anything about this right this is more like what are we going to advocate we just we advocate yes advocate it would be a lot of advocating it would be a lot of meeting writing letters writing up a scope of work it would be work but it wouldn't be Yes like us picking the contractors and things like that but you can't spend them we don't have
any trying to convince somebody else all right we have We have 20 minutes we can run through old business move on to old business sure so pathways and trails plan is we keep getting bumped from the planning board agenda to
get the adoption because the amount of the amount of um warehouses where like at the environmental commission we just reviewed three warehouses so and that was in one night that was Monday so you know approved um so they're applying for Dvariances which are use variances
because warehouses are not permitted anymore as of right um but the environmental commission doesn't approve them so we send in our comments and then the planning board will hear them but then they place them on an agenda and then it's like "Oh Terra we have three warehouses." Cuz when these warehouses happen you know the whole neighborhood
comes out so it's done it's on you know it's listed it's basically done the planning board has reviewed it we've reviewed it open Space has reviewed it everyone has it it's just a matter of getting it actually physically adopted but it's in the it's in the it's there that's all I can say so as soon as they
let me go I will be there you know I was supposed to go April 2nd and I got bumped i was supposed to go April 16th bumped and now it looks like I've been bumped yet again for May 2nd but keep keep trying my best reclaim our time i know well we're on
there it's on our website and everything i mean people I've referenced it in grants already it's like you know so profile of the trail i don't know where we are with that i owe you one i committed it's in progress excellent i want to make another you know another another pass and another
walk uh to before I'm ready i um but now you know deadlines help they they uh they they they concentrate the mind i start a new job in two weeks so two more weeks of being free and so I promise next meeting I will have my
trail um it's the the Bunker Hill Environmental Center area right so that's where I've perfect and Amarie you were working on I had like a rough draft but I don't know if anyone can read it but me so maybe it's a little bit too rough but I was kind of like I I don't
know if I'm heading in the right direction um kind of on a draft one and I shared that with you several months ago then I kind of got inspired i don't know i like the idea of there being a lot of pros and tell you what why you like the the
thing and what you like about it all right a burning hot spot no hell can I take a picture of it we're doing 20 minutes 17 minutes now do you want to type it up
Amber and then how about you type it and send it to Vanessa and she can like proofread it or whatever because you offered to do that before proof read okay so why don't we do that do you want me to take a picture of it with my phone in case you lose it or the dog eats it like script or cursive or what do they
teach i just kind of go with the flow you and I connecting in between is helpful for me we didn't do it this month i know we didn't yeah yeah just let's do the next one okay perfect yeah sounds good that reminds me to remind
the viewpoint of someone who's arriving on the scene like what would you see what would you I like that i think that's smart well I don't send it to Vanessa and she'll proofread it i don't think there's any way right you feel like you're an opinion it's like an op-ed that's what it's like
yeah it's a little nutty okay uh the vacancies on trails me and Vanessa spoke about this the one woman that's expressed interest in joining us yeah she went on vacation for a while i sent her the citizen volunteer form i haven't heard back i know Anna said that she was
going on like a like a pretty lengthy vacation so I'm going to follow up with her again at the end of the week and if she's not interested then we're okay how we are it's just that we can have more people so I would say if you know someone or you think someone would be a great fit feel free feel free to reach
out to them it can be your husband or wife or partner child all get more people now that we're doing and we had a couple of people at last year's National Trails Day one of the people who who like had met you I guess another hike
and then one was the man who had they were both interested we didn't have any vacancies then yes so now you know we could also try to like look back through the contact i have the gentleman's name and number phone number i will reach out to him okay yeah sent him to me and then it's like whoever
gets here first cuz I you know it's like I like Pesh when you came on and Robert you guys both came on kind of almost at the same time it worked out good two people that were interested I think Robert came first and you came shortly afterwards so maybe we'll have a spot like that who knows you know that would
be great how many vacance there's two or two two y so we have someone who sounds really strong who was on vacation but she's not responding to anything so it's like I don't know maybe large she's Yes yes i'll be like I need you to respond to me
so we'll keep following up on that the projects for 2025 I made printed copies for everyone i updated it based on our last meeting there's nothing to be done if you want to just keep it handy if you're ever like you know I really feel like doing a lot of extra work for the trails advisory committee you can refer
to that and you know but it's kind of it's just and then we it's a living document so we have two two two quick questions as we were looking at the February minutes there was right didn't wasn't there a young man doing a presentation about how he was going to do some repairs did he ever do that is
there a follow he's working on it so he wants to start doing it next weekend he emailed us to start working on it next weekend we Oh yeah this coming weekend right he wants to start working on this coming weekend we did encounter a little snafu which is basically that that so
you know how there is like you can't bring your car into negotiators he wanted us to open up the gate for him um and we can't do that we cannot do that because there's two reasons the first is if we open that gate for him and other cars come in our insurance actually
doesn't cover the vehicular access second is is that it's nesting bird season and the last time that we let a car even too close to the field we got annihilated right right so it's very unfortunate though because he's doing benches so he's going to it's going to
be hard for him to get a cart but yeah that's all he can do i just like moving forward i want to be more aware cuz he had in his proposal that he would need vehicular access i didn't think it was that you know what I mean i didn't even think though he went coming all the way in like I didn't never even thought he
meant I want to drive all the way in i was cuz no one's really ever done that so I was like he surely doesn't but he talks about building the benches off site transporting them putting them there and putting gravel in underneath them so like doing that through a wheelbarrow is going to be difficult but
that's what all of our other Boy Scouts have done so that's why I didn't even think of it right now dpw will deliver the gravel at the spots and he can just move and they'll deliver a wheelbarrow but he can't drive a car there w being on the land any different than Well because they're you know staff they're
covered they're our vehicles covered they're covered yes they're the ones with the keys to the gate the insurance so maybe you can pass on the material to them and they can take it in they said that they will deliver the gravel and whatever if he needs supplies but they cannot let Here's the problem i guess
what they could do is maybe they could meet him when the benches are finished cuz they're not going to be finished the benches yet right so maybe he can they can meet him when they're finished and they we could do that but he that's not for this weekend there's no way that's happening this weekend yeah but he
wouldn't be done anyway but I don't think so yeah we can definitely do that but yeah we can do that with him and so when would um so I know it's nesting bird season when would have been a good time well it would have never been a good
time for him but it's definitely the worst time ever is a national is uh nesting bird season so when's that nesting bird season april 15th to uh um August 31st right or September 15th so
is what is is what I guess what I'm wondering about is is what DPW is doing a danger to the nesting birds they're not allowed to mow there between April 15th they have to drive their car in there sometimes we have no choice because we own the property but they do they are told to take precautions there
and at John Clyde during nesting bird season um yes one time we mowed there on September 1st and it was like complete disaster complete and utter disaster were upset very upset very very upset
yes just 30 seconds i have one follow-up question not not about this but we did the the walk on 518 property oh right any of the data we provided useful or Yeah so I have your information i haven't honestly I haven't done anything
with it yet but I will absolutely so no I appreci I think that's great so yeah that is I we got to put that on up we'll put that on agenda short on time i just No we fun i'm all ready to do it again if we'll add that to the next agenda to talk about the next steps with that
that's a good reminder there's still so many projects that sometimes it's like too much well hunting just ended too that trail a wellness trail I had on this um do it again i'm glad I do it and for
for the next two weeks I can do it whenever you can do it at this place that's go with them yeah spring break next week you guys should go all together before he goes hang out full of school time yes walked it um okay um next we are oh yeah
the hype the problem is crossing the streams t-shirts t-shirts no t-shirts t the budget is still not there so no t-shirts until no t-shirts they're long sleeves um I have the same problem with the
environmental commission and they want to go to the sustainability summit and they can't go because the budget's not approved it's like it's really it's very irritating the spring community hike Jignasha I know you're doing April 19th the flyer has been posted i saw it
perfect good okay so the flyer's been posted and we're all set there and that's at John Clay mhm so that's April 19th at 9:30 um which group is this what group is she's just hold the spring community is it open to community all
ages all ages open to community yes and what's your focus is all about the plant ecology ecology and ecosystems what kind of help do you need i don't think I need help you'll be fine she's like I'll be fine don't bother me i need
people that's it on trail that's all bring people did people sign up yet i don't know i didn't ask i'm like maybe as if they come close I will ask her how many so I don't like by myself because I feel like you always need a caboose depending on how many people are in your
group because I don't like to have to be paranoid about the end like so when you're leading like you're responsible then for the last person not getting lost so that's why I always think it's always good unless it's a really small group that you can all have right together it's always good to have at
least a good That's right but I think it's u uh Easter day weekend right easter weekend 19th April it's Easter weekend yeah no no no oh you all must be busy during that time i'm sorry 19th
yeah come well I think that's going to be a really good hike and um right before so I'm leaving for vacation on Wednesday the 17th so I will email Wreck on on the 17th and I'll get those like registrance for you and I'll email it to you so we
at least have it right if there are few people who registered then I don't need to worry about it but if it is like a big crowd which I don't think it would be then I will reach out to I think I'm available i have it on my calendar yeah just check i have on my calendar so um
yeah I'll get those registration numbers to you but yeah the flyer's been posted it's on all of our social media and I think we're in good shape so okay all right um the walk with
therapeutic wreck that um flyer was also that was done by Maria uh it's been posted and she is going to keep an eye on the registrance and let us know that's Sunday April 27th at 10:00 a.m and Non Williams uh I did speak to the
rec director so mo many I will say many of the fitness stations are accessible handicapped accessible or able to be modified for specific um exercise um we know for a fact because I was involved with the community garden design those
we I specifically made sure that those aisle widths were wheelchair accessible and the height of the garden beds are accessible for people of all ages and abilities so we're going to show them that or I should say really Maria is going to be leading it but she'll show them that she'll show them the fitness stations we'll be there to help and the
path is an easy walk hopefully have a nice day so that is all set to go to so that includes people of all abilities you're saying just like show them the fitness stations anyone is welcome but Maria really will have a lot of participants from the therapeutic wreck
program so hopefully Oh and also the pool also has a um a chairlift so she's going to really focus on that hopefully bring more of them to Naman Williams Park you know so I'm just wondering because it it's listed as a nature walk
and I was like "Oh not much nature there." Did we want to do I mean I'm going to go and try and use those fitness things so I know what I'm doing when I get there but um do we want to is it nature is in the title are we focusing on nature at all do I need to
bring the binoculars do we You can if you want i mean there's not a ton of neighborhood but you know where the back playground is that's where another Boy Scout just did a project there and he did a green infrastructure project but he put in a bunch of plants um he took a
shrub out and regraded the land and so you can focus on that there is that wooded area which we don't want people to go in i guess you could focus on the community garden not at all we can't go to the edge of it you Oh you can go on the edge of it yeah but I don't know if you if it would be accessible to go in like the way like Ted Chase went in for
example for the participants of this walk if if they feel like they want to and they feel safe then they're welcome they're absolutely welcome i just don't know if it would be I guess Maria would know best you know but but yeah so you can focus on that for sure i They made
the flyer and she likes to call it nature walk because she's trying to say like we're going out in nature so So I think she just didn't know how natury nature was yes I hear you nature or because it's not it's a very small area that we could actually I would bring the
binoculars if you don't mind no it's they can use them you know it's nature adjacent i think as much nature as we can pull in there are trees and fl there's going to be all kinds of stuff like that it's not going to be in the woods but I think we can we're near the woods oh absolutely near it yeah i want
to go take a look and just see if even if there's like a spot that would make sense that we could just have them to go in great yeah that works i'm going to scope it out too uh the native plants proves with the um EC I got an email from Jenny
Kafas do you want to just update everyone quickly on this yeah Jenny I guess uh we had found a speaker that was available to give the talk but I believe Jenny was not able to uh put in her time i think she did take up some part-time
job or Yes she did yes so the the volunteer Jenny from the environmental commission she's been working with Pesh but she has a time constraint now cuz she got a different job so so you guys agreed to have it for next year for next year instead because they're going to
miss the season but next year they can have this partnership and the EC agreed with that and was like cuz Jenny none of them have the bandwidth to work like any more than they are they told me so really if Jenny can't do it it's like a no go just under but you're okay with it
being next i'm totally okay yeah yeah i mean we can still do other walks that involve native plants at another place if you want can be whatever you want yes yeah i'm trying to see you know what I can and I think this spring and summer I'm going to go in one of these uh walks
as well and I think there are other walks uh which I want to go to there's a cyan park in uh near uh so so that park can park is apparently in a waterlogged area and it has a lot of swamp trees and they've
built like a huge uh elevated trail that people can walk on yeah right oh that'd be cool okay i wanted to go there and see what you know how it is done and like you know what's involved there and what kind of trees and plants are there
so we can see Cyan Park is quite near um it's just off of Princeton so if you look at like the name Cyan Park and then you search Princeton I think it should give the town name it's not actually in Princeton but it's just Yeah okay thank
you Pash i think they have sounds similar to like Cheesequake Park yes quite similar too um so um yeah so we'll do that and then I want to introduce that into our township trails as well so just along that you know you do some activities we can do some tree
identifications or plant identification walk that would be really cool i like that okay and I was thinking of Nan Williams even if all we could get in was like a T like point in and it go to the left and the right like you know just like something where they can Yeah
um firefly firefly hike so the EC is still interested in the partnership we we won't talk about it in this meeting because we still have some time but um but yeah they're super excited and they're actually trying to amend our township's lighting ordinance to instead
of following the icky rules like the International Engineering Lighting and illumination uh standards to follow the recommendations through the dark skies organization and they're really Yeah that's one of their main projects for this year that's their project through
the local health assessment is to basically improve uh light pollution and the way they want to approach it is by amending the lighting ordinance so they're working on that so the firefly walk they're very geared up for so they said just tell them what to do and they will be there so yeah yep very cool all
right firefly walk that's And then we kind of talked about ideas for the spring already we have a couple on we have the May we have the April May two in April and one in May trail walk trail um and any any trail updates anything
last two weekends I haven't been able to get out there raining and stuff and oh I know even my fifth April hike didn't happen because it was a wet weekend completely wact that's un this weather has not been friendly it's been cold it's cold too yeah it's a
problem I did get out to Negri I walked all the way through well I went down to the BB line it was empty as I showed you in that picture it's much more advanced now and I went straight up the hill and there's that little wooded area that's a zip you know a circle and I could I I got in there
and not that you can't get lost in there but the trail is gone i'm like where's the trail okay I can't find the trail so at maybe in the fall or winter when there's less invasive plants all around and you can actually traverse it easier
i would like us to get in there and trim and just reconfigure where that loop was cuz I had mapped it out originally when we did our GPS thing for the town yes but I just couldn't figure it out when I was in there and um there is that sunset bench on the opposite side where behind
there is an entrance to the red trail and there used to be a plank of wood so you could get over that little stream that plank of wood is no longer there someone put down a fallen log a fallen log is about this big so I did not feel safe to traverse the grade so I went
upstream which you can only do like couple weeks ago before the the shrub started to green up cuz I had to like push away the sticker bushes and then do a leap over so we might think about that and then that needs to be retrailed as well because that was
uh Okay all right everything and the benches were horrendous so I'm hoping that the three benches they've chosen are the ones that are on the other side okay thank you i was at Nobush and uh they they did a good job they're they're
cutting these stalks back by the tennis court so they went about 10 ft in and then it starts to slope down so they're just kind of like clearing that out oh where the tennis courts are yes yeah yeah yeah tennis courts yeah up kind of like the middle level okay behind the
tennis courts there it's all these stocks and things like that so they cut that down and also over by the lower softball field someone had uh smashed there we're having a big mirror so I I just went there yesterday i don't know if that would be parks and wreck to uh
to pick it up the softball field to the right right where you go by the reads and the uh I'm about to tell you is going to sound dumb it's the truth really is the truth you're going to have to call and make a police report about that or I will call
and do it but they can't pick it up unless there's a police report oh okay i don't know why it is but that's what I've been told yes that's you i'll do it where is it by the tennis court you said no no no that's down by the lower softball field and it's towards the right you know it's kind of like if you
walked around the uh out outfield and then you got to the part where the reads kind of break apart and then you kind of go through that area okay all right all right okay i will take care of somebody just smashed i just want to add something
about Negri this is the first time they've gone in there and they chopped down fields they hadn't been in a long time so there were fields that had shrubs that were this high which are now level yes it was shocking when I walked I saw that too i was shocked when I walked by it i just want to say that
we're in the trails committee i never know what to expect when I go out there yes when I saw that I was surprised too more communication or something because you go out there and those shrubs have been there a long time i didn't know just obliterated so it just would be nice to know what's
coming and you and you think they should not have been i don't know we We really have I mean who makes the decision to actually cut those plants or not cut them who makes the choice have you been advocating for them to mow there for a
long time yeah so they mow we asked them to vote and they took that as they took that as what happened there's no one there who actually takes a look at the plants and resides so I'm just asking we can if we are averse to
you know we don't want this mode we don't want we can absolutely put together a map for DPW and say we want you to not mow here be careful chuck did that with the demonstration plots he made a map it didn't work it didn't they went over them anyway yes so so you didn't know if there decisions somewhere
else to mow everything else that's what I mean i didn't know it was just that it needs to be mowed because we couldn't get the burn done this year so um it was that it needs to be mowed and I guess when the order to mow went out it was like
level it it was that was a good word for it shocking when I went out there he was like "What the heck happened here?" Especially all I'm not sure what you're talking about bushes and shrubs were and all the woody pieces from it are just like strewn about like it looks like
Yeah it's like a murder a wood chipper yes the murder happened yeah a murder so okay so maybe we could talk next time we could talk about what we can do to manage you know the shrubs have like some general understanding about what
should not be mowed yes yes like I understand the confusion with the ornamental gardens but it sounds like major shrubs things that need a wood chipper shouldn't be yeah that was shocking and I didn't know if that was an appliance no or but I know Chris Williams also said that some trees had grown up where they should have never
grown that came from that it was like Mo and then he's like they need to go back in and take down some of the trees and I think instead of going tree by tree it was just like the Morax yes yes yes we got to do signs like you know was it between highways
next [Music] um okay um with no further updates my bills are okay um some parking lot stuff that I've shared um and can I have a motion to
adjurnn I move we adjourn I'll second all in favor hearing no objections or nay motion