Commissioners meeting to order. All please rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag, The United States Of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Welcome, everyone. We'll move on with approval of the meeting agenda with the following changes under a report of county administration, the
removal of accepting the contract for county administrator. Someone like to make that motion? Motion. Motion made by Commissioner Severson. Somebody second? I'll second it. Second by Commissioner Casa. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, same sign. The agenda has been passed. Consider a resolution approving the consent agenda with the following items. Approval of minutes
from the 01/21/2025 board meeting. Approval of regular full time status employees and approval of drainage ditch repairs. Would someone like to enter that resolution? I'll enter the resolution. Entered by commissioner Ekstrom. Is there a second? Second. Second by commissioner Severson. Any discussion? Hearing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Yes. Commissioner Casa? Yes. Commissioner Ekstrom? Yes. Commissioner Schacht? Yes. Commissioner Edwin? Yes. It has passed. Reports of the
board committees. Commissioner Severson? Yes, I attended the rural Minnesota Energy Board. We had a legislative update. It sounds like they are pushing to remove the nuclear moratorium in Minnesota. It's in committees right now up there. So they discussed it and they're going to be putting a discussion on the agenda for next board meeting. I also attended the AMC newly elected conference and learned a lot of great stuff, particularly about demographics and how that is affecting our
state. Thank you. Commissioner Casa. I have had, I met with one constituent and I had the fair board meeting, the opioid meeting. We're doing very well and progressing right along with that one. On the fair, would like to say that the Fair Board does have some very good things coming up. I don't think anything's nailed down yet, but sounds really cool this year. So and then I had one, two, three, four, five, five negotiations. That's all.
Thank you. Commissioner Schoff. So I tried to attend Jabberba. Technical difficulties so I wasn't able to attend, but I attended a couple of the NACO online meetings. Thank you. Commissioner Ekstrom. I had the Blue Earth River Earth River one watershed one plan meeting and we will be, we need to decide within the next
couple of months whether or not Freeborn County if we want to be a joint powers collaboration compared to a joint powers entity. So, they had somebody from MCIT there presenting on the pros and cons of each, but we'll be, talking of course with our environmental services and with David Walker and, finding out the pros and the cons of each for our participation and how and I think it will be run counter to maybe what some of the other counties who have a much bigger area in that watershed district. So to be
continued on that. And then I was able to get the recorded version of the AMC legislative update and so I was able to listen in on that. And then I found out that I was appointed to the AMC Solid Waste Working Group. So I'll keep you posted on that when we start meetings and learn more about that. And then, last night I was able to attend, it's not an official committee, but, the Freeborn County Trail Association. I go to those meetings. Of course it
ties in closely with then how we're working on the UP Trail. That's what I had. Thank you. I also attended multiple negotiations with law enforcement and human services. Had a meeting with the Albertly Housing Authority. Their focus right now is on wages being the first part of the year. And also attended the LeSour River Watershed through a Zoom. I forgot to bring my notes on that and because I'm
the alternate I'm not going to speak as to what they were saying because I'm not always in the loop there what's going on. And then also met with admin and our how we're progressing down in our assessor's office. That's what I've been doing. So with that said, we'll move on. Miscellaneous business. Does anyone have any miscellaneous business? I have one thing. I was called by Scott Scott Kalberg who
is been in charge of the Freedom Rock. They are done with that at this point in time other than some plaques to be put up. The benches are in place now. And he wanted to know what needed to be done to turn that over as far as it now being Freeborn County's possession. Don't know if something official has to be done or if we just say okay now it's ours or any thoughts? Yes. If I may,
I think we probably do need to have a resolution. Okay. To that effect saying we're taking over whatever cost maintenance, whatever. Okay. We will get that on the agenda for the next board meeting. And I'll give Scott a callback to let him know that's how we'll proceed. Alright. Any other miscellaneous business? Then we'll move on. Any persons of the general public
that wish to address the board concerning matters pertaining to this agenda as well as any other matters? Seeing none, we'll move on to reports of various departments. Report of Human Services. Morning Mister chair good morning commissioners I have one item for your consideration this morning. We have a contract for 2025 with REM Woodvale to provide semi independent living services. So these are mandated services through Minnesota statute to support
individuals living with disabilities so they can live independently within the community. Our sales allocation for this year is $212,435 These are all dollars received from state and federal funds. Kind of as a pass through, there are no county levy dollars used for this contract, and that amount is split among all of our providers that do this service. So requesting a resolution to approve that contract. Someone wish to enter
that resolution? I'll enter that resolution Mr. Chair. Enter by Commissioner Casa. Is there a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Severson. Any discussion? Hearing none, will the clerk please call the roll. Commissioner Severson? Yes. Commissioner Casa? Yes. Commissioner Extra? Yes. Commissioner Schrock? Yes. Commissioner Edwin? Yes. Excuse me. That is passed. Thank you. Thank you. Report of County Administrator. Good morning. First resolution
I have for you is to consider a resolution terminating employee number 1122 effective 01/26/2025. Someone wish to enter that resolution? I'll enter the resolution. Enter by Commissioner Ekstrom. Is there a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Severson. Any discussion? Quick question. Yes. Okay. So, why are we doing this right now? I mean, what's the process? I mean, what's the process in our personnel policy? What's the process in any labor
negotiations? You know, it gets to a point three years from now, there's some lawsuit with eleven twenty two. This person was put on paid leave. Yeah. He's a veteran and they had thirty days to respond to us and they did not respond to us. Okay. The i's are dotted, the t's are crossed. Well, once again, I mean if it's coming before
the board, why don't we have that information is what I'm saying. And it's not you. Mean this process has been deteriorating for a long time. Okay? I did discuss it with the personnel committee but. Well, mean, to that effect, if we talk about the personnel committee then we may as well at the next meeting pass the solar because we've been talking
about it in the building committee for ten months. Know, so I mean there's that argument. But, you know, once again, what what's our process? And and it's not the here today thing. It's where we're at going forward. Now in the past, we've had a closed door meeting. You wanna be fired or not? You know, we had that long, long, long time
ago. Why are we not there today? You know, I mean, understand things change but Does that make sense for anyone I mean so what I'm hearing is with your experience in the past there was certain steps that were done before we reached this point and those have been not followed? Well, going on the
process, okay, so if you have the entire board make a decision on to fire this employee, then why doesn't the entire board have all the information? Okay? I mean, if it's just personnel committee, so be it. Personnel committee met, they say this, that, the other thing,
then we can vote on it. But once again, you know, I may. Three years from now, you know, we get sued. I'm the one in court going 11/22. I don't don't know. Who is that? Brian? Yes. If I may, we have processes through our union contracts if this is union employee or through our personnel policy how discipline is done. I believe
we have followed all those processes. One of the stipulations within your county administrator statute is the ability to hire and fire people pending a board approval. All hires come before the board and all terminations come before the board. There's a process we do follow. We don't take this lightly. I believe we have followed this process and this is the end point of this process to come before the board to acknowledge that this has happened. So that's
what your administrator is for, it's in the statute. So to dial it back a little bit, I mean the administration administrator has the role to hire fire. Correct. So the question being is why is it coming before the board? If the administrator has that right, I mean. It's been the process here that we bring before the board all hires which we
do, any terminations we also bring before the board for their acknowledgement so there's official action on it. So I believe this is the proper, I think, I believe this was a proper process and I believe this is the proper way to do this. I'm not debating that, I'm debating past practice versus future practice, do you know what I mean? I mean I I'm a little confused because it sounds like you want the board involved in the
disciplinary process then and in this whole decision process, is that that what I heard or did I mishear? No, what I'm saying is that it's come before the board in past practices about you know termination, what have you, but it's usually been long ago it was closed meeting, you know, the person has the right to have a closed door meeting or an open. We've seen both, you know. So,
you know, where we're at, you know, does the administrator just make the call? Mr. Chair? Yes. Can I so what I understand the process to be in, Mr? Pettis correct me if I'm wrong, but we received, because you have to be very careful, this is personnel. Is confidential stuff, private. We don't But we received the agenda on Thursday evening, so if
I had questions, I should have contacted one of you on either Friday or Monday to have my questions answered, shouldn't I have? Because this isn't the place for that when it's concerning a person, is it? Preferably yes but this is a open forum for discussion. Okay. If you want to do a different process than what we're following please tell us what process you want us to do then. I acknowledge the concerns that the majority of the
board is not in the know when it comes to a situation like this with a termination. And probably we should be looking at how we're going to move forward with that process so that everybody is on board because obviously at this point in time some are very uncomfortable with where we're at. So it needs to be looked at. I'm not Talked about in the future. I'm not uncomfortable with it. I trust they've done their job and if I had questions I feel I should have went ahead. No I'm not I'm not debating that. What I'm debating is some how
we got to this point and not the entire board being in the know and now they have to vote on this. And yes, maybe there could have been some questions asked previously. Yeah, that's my response. Yes, sir. Mr. Reid? From my understanding there was he's on employee eleven twenty two was on paid leave, was given a time frame to respond, has not responded it's documented. We're good to move forward. The letter that was sent to him. Okay, thank you. Any other discussion on this
yes. Mister chair just just to back up a little bit. You know, I'm not I'm not bringing this up to debate this. What's ahead of us right now? I'm just bringing it up that we did this before. Where do you wanna be going forward? You know? I just bring it up because, you know, no one talks about it. I'm not on one side or the other. You know? And as far as I get the information on
Thursday, and I could ask questions. My job. I can also not ask questions. Mhmm. You know? So it goes both ways. It's not you got the information on Thursday, why didn't you ask questions by now? Yeah. No? Not gonna say anything. Anything else on this? So anyway, I I think we probably just need
to look at this personnel policy. Things need to be cleaned up when we get a new things administrator that type of thing but. Yeah, I there's quite a few items in our policies and procedures that need to be visited but maybe this is something so we kind of get a jump on it. Maybe this is something Chelsea we can put on the agenda for a workshop on how we want to move forward with something that would come up such as this. Anything else on
that? Alright. We have a resolution on the floor. No other discussion. Will the clerk please call the roll? Mister Severson? Yes. Mister Casa? Yes. Mister Extra? Yes. Mister Shaw? Yes. Commissioner Edward? Yes. That is passed. Alright and the next one is to consider resolution filling the vacant detention deputy position. Someone wish to enter that resolution? Motion. Enter by Commissioner Severson. Is there a second? I'll second it. Second by Commissioner Casa. Any discussion? Hearing none, will the
clerk call the roll? Commissioner Severson? Yes. Commissioner Casa? Yes. Commissioner Extra? Yes. Commissioner Schroff? Yes. Commissioner Commissioner Schroff? Yes. Commissioner Ehren? Yes. That is passed. And the next one is to consider a resolution to fill the vacant child protection, child welfare, social worker case manager position. This is due to an internal move. Someone wish to enter that resolution. I'll enter that resolution, mister chair. Enter by commissioner Casa. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by commissioner Ekstrom. Any discussion? Hearing none, will the clerk
please call the roll? Mr. Stevenson? Yes. Mr. Caso? Yes. Commissioner Ekstrom? Yes. Commissioner Schrock? Yes. Commissioner Edmonds? Yes, that is passed. Next one is consider resolution to accept the resignation retirement of Lisa Rippentrop, public safety telecommunicator, effective 03/28/2025. She has put in thirty one years as a public safety telecommunicator. Someone wish to enter that resolution? No. I will enter that resolution.
Enter by Commissioner Casa. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Commissioner Ekstrom. Any discussion? I just want to say that I have known Lisa personally for a number of years and I hate, I knew this day was coming but nobody really wanted to see it. She's been an excellent. She has. Person to be working for Freeborn County. Any other discussion? Will the clerk call the roll? Mister Simpson? Yes. Mister Casa? Yes. Mister Extra? Yes. Mister
Schrock? Yes. Mister Edwin? Yes. That is passed. And the final one for me is to consider resolution to fill the vacant public safety telecommunicator position. Someone like to enter that resolution? I'll enter that. Enter by commissioner Schoff. Is there a second? I'll second it. Second by commissioner Casa. Any discussion? Hearing none, will the clerk please call the roll. Commissioner Seiffer? Yes. Commissioner Casa? Yes. Commissioner Extra? Yes. Commissioner Schoff? Yes. Commissioner Edwin? Yes. That is passed. Thank
you. Thank you. Next one is mine Commissioner. Last week I received correspondence from the county auditor treasurer that she wished to be replaced as the interim supervisor for the county assessor's office. With that request I have directed my staff to move forward and prepare the resolution that you see before you appointing the the interim county administrator as the supervision of the
county assessor's office and the day to day operations of that office will be directed by our interim county assessor from Luke from Houston County so with that unless there's any questions I would recommend to the board that you would put me in charge or the supervision of the assessor's office with the day to day operations done by the interim assessor until we can have this position filled. Someone wish
to enter that resolution? Motion. By Commissioner Severson, is there a second? I'll second it. Second by Commissioner Schoff. Any discussion? Hearing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Yes. Commissioner Casa? Yes. Commissioner Ekstrom? Yes. Commissioner Schoff? Yes. Commissioner Edwin? Yes. That is passed. Are there other items necessary but unknown at this time? Alright, we'll move on. County Commissioner Items. Commissioner
Severson. Nothing today. Thank you. Commissioner Casa. Just one thing, Chelsea sent out the newsletter and it was wonderful. Thank you, Chelsea. But I forgot to ask her to include in there any events upcoming is a benefit this Saturday. I believe it's from noon to four for Don Hauge. Don has been an ambulance driver in our county and he has served now as the District six AMC or EMS manager
for us. He does a wonderful job. He's a very community oriented person. He had last October a health issue that he's still dealing with and so there is a benefit for him at the Moose Lodge this Saturday. Thank you. Commissioner Ekstrom. Just a couple of things just because of open meeting law I want to make sure that we're talking about here and not through emails and stuff. Just want to make sure Lucas got questions answered about your committee assignments, dates, times, places. Yes, for
the most part I have almost all of that figured out. Thank you everyone. Okay, super. And then just a couple of other things here. I know at the previous or at the last meeting I had asked about having the Shell Rock River Watershed District be able to come to the workshop to talk to us. I do know, I believe our workshops conflict with their meeting but if I may Chelsea has worked with them I believe they're going to be here at 11:00 or 10:30 so if we put them towards the noon
ish time they're able to do both as their meeting and then they'll come after that so I believe we are scheduled for next Tuesday to have them here. Okay super thank you and then I did learn just overhearing a little bit about I was expecting that Apex Solar thing to be on the agenda for today but As part of that process we needed to publish that we were going to be doing that a notice in the newspaper that had not been done and Chelsea has gotten that notice worked with Brad got
that notice out are we on the seventeenth or is it the one in March I forget now which meeting it's on. Eighteenth second or the third Tuesday in February that item will be on there because we will have met the proper publishing and noticing for that process to happen. It has to do with the amount of dollars to be expended without a bid so that's why it's been delayed. Alright thank you and then one of, let's
see here, some of these things I can ask afterwards. One of the things I wouldn't mind discussing at the workshop is we, so we review applications, those scholarship applications, and for the Diamond Joe, and I was just, I wouldn't mind having a real quick conversation at our workshop about maybe changing those two questions or maybe updating those two questions and considering we're a government unit that is doing that.
So anyway, so I just wanted to say that that's something I'd like to have on the workshop. Again, can just simply be a five minute discussion, and if any of us have ideas or if we could get like what the questions are before the workshop or in the workshop packet. Then, let's see here. The other thing, after listening to the AMC legislative update and then of course SOHC, seems like we're going to be possibly having some,
possibly having a couple serious blows to the county tax payer based either on federal budget changes as well as state budget changes. And so I appreciate, I had emailed Mr. Pettis about just maybe getting an update from the different departments on how that is going to affect each department and so Susie thank you for your information, I'll take a peek at that But again I think by getting that
information if we can even have that information discussed at the workshop because then we'll be going you know up for the AMC legislative conference. Would the other commissioners like to see the information that Susie provided? I can certainly send that out to you. It's a two or three page brief document based on the governor's budget proposal. Please realize it's the proposal for a budget it's not the budget and hopefully they can get into session so they can actually start talking about budgets. So I
will get that to you but I hate to say it's probably not worth the paper it's written on but it's probably not worth the paper it's written on because lord knows what's going to happen in the legislative session but we can at least start there. Right. And thank you Susie for doing that for me, greatly appreciate that. Yeah, yeah I definitely appreciate the time. I know it takes time but I would rather be prepared ahead of time than just simply be reacting and if we can have, the potential repercussions of what this would mean for us, that helps us
better communicate up at AMC as well as with our state legislators. Also we have pulled back on the federal discussion because day to day completely varied and there's too many variables going out with the federal stuff so we're going leave the federal stuff alone for right now because there may be a freeze again tomorrow and we hear about it again. We're just going to focus on the state right now. Yep, thank you. I totally understand that. Okay, so is that something then that talk
about at the workshop as Okay super. And that is it. Thank you. All right. So to kind of follow-up a little bit with that, I do believe the the at the federal level this is going to get tempered down quite a bit. The biggest concern at this point in time would be at the state level because they have managed to spend a lot of money in the last couple years and now they're trying to figure it all out. And it is, I realize, the governor's preliminary budget proposal and it has to
work its way through the legislature, but I think we need to be focused on those possibilities more so because they're at this point in time he has kind of put the burden on the back of the counties. He's shifted that that burden so and the other thing that I had was just kind of a general question as far as administration and administrator. We should probably decide how we want
to move forward if we want to go into a closed session for further discussion on the finalists that we did have and or moving forward if we want to how we want to approach this can be done like I said at a closed session on those applicants or we can discuss how we want to move forward at next week at a workshop. Or we can throw it out on the table right now I guess. Any thoughts? Yes. Mr. Chair, okay so when I received
that email, so for the county administrator I would like, I mean I'd rather not just have it be on the shoulders of the personnel committee. So I think for a county administrator we need to be talking as a board trying to decide, I mean again I don't know what the details were discussed and so when all of a sudden it's pulled from the agenda, I mean that you know we don't know what's going on there. And so again for a county administrator position, I
think the board needs to be in the know. I don't know, again because I don't know what the conversation was with the applicant. Is this something that we do need to discuss right now so we can talk about it so that we know how to move forward instead of putting it off yet another week and so you kind of have some opinion or direction from the entire board here. Well if we're discussing the applicants I believe we could go into closed session if it's
posted properly if we're going to talk about generalities as far as how we want to move forward to to hire, find and hire an administrator that would have to be done at an open meeting which could be done at a workshop. As far as the contract that was put forward that was very similar to contracts that have been put forward to
other administrators, so there wasn't nothing out of the norm there as far as what we decided we wanted in that contract. I think probably what wasn't norm is some of the asks, the requests from the other side. Okay with that being said though, it would be nice if the entire board could be informed what those were because again as we struggle to find an administrator and if we get qualified candidates maybe we need to be sweetening
the deal or being more open to making things work instead of going by just simply what we've done with past administrators. That something could be discussed in a closed session, do you know? You can have a closed session discuss your offer to an applicant to discuss what you want to put into an offer to a person who's not an applicant, I don't think it could be done in closed session that has to be in open session. If you're dealing with a specific person then yes but if you're just dealing with the
generalities what you're looking at offering in the future no that should be done in open session because you're not dealing with a specific person. So in this situation though we are dealing with a specific person and so you're saying today we can't dismiss and go into closed session to hear what those terms are? We haven't posted, we haven't put up that we're having a closed session that would need to be done that needs to be in your agenda and things that's not on the agenda right now. So if we were to
today notice a special meeting what is that in three days? Three days generally. Three days we could have a meeting to this to meet and discuss this this applicant and would that would that be a direction the board would want to go? I don't know if the applicant is willing to reconsider or not we haven't had that discussion with the applicant what we have right now is she has declined the offer from the county. We have not made a counter offer and haven't discussed
with her if she's willing to hear a counter offer or not I have no idea. She has declined as of right now. Mr. Chair? Yes. Mr. Pettis would that be a phone call you could make to her and have a conversation? Certainly. Or But Or not. What are we authorizing him to I didn't say just a conversation with her asking her Oh, if she considered we change the reasons why she declined. That already been done? As
far as why she didn't take the offer? HR was in contact. I there were some specifics. Were there not? Erin? You. And? Okay, so I'm having a bit of an issue with this. So again I guess this kind of circles back to process, when that happens
how does the rest of the board get this information? I mean so that we know, so that the rest of the board can be like okay the person's requests aren't all that unreasonable given today's day and time or so that the board can talk about that. Mean these are big decisions and we're spending a lot of time and money and trying to get an applicant and then when we get somebody who is qualified and we are willing to make an offer to an applicant,
and then all of a sudden it's dead in the water and the rest of the board doesn't even know why or what the next next step is so. And that's why we would, I mean we just, this was just found out on Monday, yesterday. Okay. So that's why if we want to gather as a board in an entire board we have to post that we're going into closed session so we can discuss the things that you're asking to discuss because. Okay. So then communication
with the applicant then what what is the communication with the applicant is it just like okay see you or is it okay I'll discuss this with the interim county administrator and the board? The question I would ask the applicant is is she willing to consider a counteroffer or not or she made a mind. She's not willing to consider a counteroffer there's no reason to meet in a closed session. Correct. Okay. That was that would be the only question I would be asking her. Okay. And then it would be up to the board to generate that counter offer. Okay. She
has made some requests from us or to us we do have that information so but those ultimately were not included in her contract or her offer we made to her. Okay so then what's the next step then you reach out to her for We reach out to her and see if she's open to it or not and the answer to that question will kind of determine where we're going then. Okay then do you let the board know I can let the personnel committee know I have been working with the personnel committee it was what we were directed to do and resolution to work with the personnel committee
so I can let the whole board know but please do not respond all on email. Correct. Please respond back to me or Erin or Chelsea. Any other discussion on that? Alright. You had something more to add to that? Well, just, I mean, it's coming to me now anyway. Yeah. Talked about processes and we're
lacking on a lot of that. And it's slowly ticked downhill on that. But, you know counter offer I mean. Fisher cut bait, I mean that's what it comes down to. Mean there's already an ad. There's already new story a day into it, Blooming Prairie has an emergency meeting to pay their city administrator more
money because she was offered free board copy. So knock yourself out on counter offer, but you know, watch me hold my breath. So with that being said, I told somebody yesterday in the office that the county board thinks that the county board and my wife think I talk in riddles. So when you look
at me like that. So this day in history, Rosa Parks was born and anybody know or remember the teacher Steve Cunningham? Lucas, come on. I've heard the name. I didn't have him. He was all of what, six six, two 70 or whatever. So I lived half my life apologizing to people for my oldest
brother and my next oldest brother. And so Steve Cunningham came, he played at University of Minnesota and then he played for New York Football Giants and he came here to teach and he was like, are you related to Greg Schoff? And I'm like, yeah. And Steve was a quarterback at Waseca High School and
he went and played defensive end at University of Minnesota. And like I said, I have to apologize for my oldest brothers all the time, still do. Steve got put defensive line against my brother who is like two years older and he didn't even have to complete the story. I just said, I'm sorry, you know, because Steve got lit up. Like, he's
still trying to find last week. But so, with that being said, Steve Cunningham was drafted by the New York Football Giants and then after two or three years he was cut because as he would say it, he said that the New York Giants thought that it'd be better to cut Steve Cunningham from Waseca County or Waseca Minnesota versus their number one draft pick Lawrence Taylor. So it is Lawrence
Taylor's birthday today. So, yeah. Not a lot of football fans in here. But, so, as far as closed session at the next meeting, You talk about processes, could we have a closed session today? It hasn't been posted, it has not been put on our agenda, I would not recommend doing that. No. I'm just
saying that you know a tornado hits Albert Lee. Could we have a closed session? Yeah, maybe maybe not I mean. It's something to be talked about I guess. So I would suggest that we have closed session. Sooner rather than later, you know. If it's at the next meeting, have you but I think we could have a special meeting close session, but
we need to find out. One detail first. Yeah, so yes that's that's where I'm heading that that's it. Alright. Moving on. Approval of claims. Would someone like to enter that resolution? I'll enter that resolution mister chair. Enter by commissioner Casa. Is there a second? Second. Second by commissioner Severson. Any discussion on claims? Yep, Mr. Chair, this is a question that I
already had answered. So just so the rest of the board knows, you know, I had had a question about the bed overage for juvenile detention. So I got that question answered. And so I just wanted to let you know that I had asked that question. And then just a question about advertising in the shopper and the cost for that. I'd be curious to know from the department heads when they do get applicants in, is it because
they've seen it on the county webpage, is it because they've seen it in the county shopper, just so we know, just as I look at the price of that going up and up and up and because we do advertise a lot for positions, I'd be curious to know if that is a worthwhile expense or if people are seeing, you know, if people are seeing it on Linkedin or other sources instead. So is there a way that We do track it, but I think it just says local papers, the one that we
have in there, or else we have Indeed website. So maybe I can go in there and specify if it was the Tribune shopper. I'll look into that. Okay, thank you. Yeah, if you can break that down so we get an idea. Sure. Alright. That's all I have. Thank you. Any other discussion on claims? Will the clerk please call the roll? Yes. Commissioner Casa? Yes. Commissioner Extra? Yes. Commissioner Schrock? Yes. Commissioner Edwin? Yes. That is passed. We have nothing else, so we are adjourned. Thank
you.