Okay, let's 529. All right, like to open the meeting. 529 529. Grab one of each and I emailed everybody the minutes to
the meeting. They go through it. >> We have to second. We have to pro approve the uh minutes.
I'll make a motion to approve the minutes as read. >> I have a question on the minutes of last month. >> Yes. >> It says the jet club five members just here. We need >> just Well, go ahead. It says uh five
members initially 2,000 per year and pay 500 quarterly as well as placing a container on the site for storage. That was not in the meeting last month. What you discussed with Jim Morrisy on the telephone was new news from us. We
knew nothing about this, Jim. So that's not old business because we knew nothing about it last month. >> They were here the month before though. Sure. >> Okay. >> You didn't talk about price.
>> There was no prices that you have. This is what they offered. They offered and I have to look at the tape, but I I take it right off the tape. And I >> How does that number 2000 relate to five
members? I don't bid it, frankly. Does it mean each member is paying 400 bucks or does it mean something entirely different? >> It means that their club is paying us $2,000 a year in $500 increments. >> And who are the five members? >> I don't know.
>> And how does that relate to the money? I don't get it. But anyway, >> it's their club, not mine. They've made that. They made the offer for that and then they I mentioned that they want they wanted to do the paid in 500.
>> I recall the 2,000 bucks and the 500 from last call that >> and there was no discussion about it at that time but if you want to bring it up we can do that again. And the other thing I want to bring up
to your attention and I asked you for a paper of the active members names on who are the commissioners names and I we haven't gotten as far as I know Phil and Jim Morrisy are not commissioners on this commission. I see them here but
they're like Ry Huff here who's just a guest or a public person coming to see the meeting. There is nothing on the website that says their names that says when they expired. Just saying, Jim, I just I I don't know what's on here. >> I asked you for that back in January and
I'm just I want to be exactly sure what's on here because we don't have the names. You go on to the website >> of the uh appointments committee. >> Excuse me, Isabelle. Al has a floor.
In any case, we don't have any proof that they're members because they were not sworn in with you. I, and was sworn in. There was only four of us. >> I'm not sure what the >> I'm just saying. >> I was sworn in. >> When were you sworn in? >> Last year.
>> Oh, yeah. >> Not everybody get voted in at the same time. >> Okay. >> Number to know who the members are. I haven't got it from the chair. And that's what I asked for since January. cuz we don't know who the chair members are cuz he writes down who the chair
members are but we don't have the names and I was just curious. >> Well, they're on the minutes on who attends but >> Okay, I understand. >> Yes, but you want what? You just want the names. >> That's what I asked for. >> Okay. >> Past meetings. Who are the members of the airport commission?
>> That's all. >> So, you want to run them down now? >> Uh, sure. Absolutely. Go ahead. Proper pedal. Anyway, who is it, Jim? >> Oh, I'm chairman and I'm a commissioner. >> Yep.
>> And then Andy Girtton is a commissioner. >> Mhm. >> Dave Burkat. >> Uhhuh. >> Phil Marcy. >> Okay. >> Jim Marcy. And who? >> And who? >> You. And me.
>> Okay. Right. That adds up to how many people are in the six. Six. Who's not on this list here from uh 3426? >> Uh let's see. So >> the attendees on 3426 looks like there
were five commissioners. >> Five. And uh >> who who was missing? >> Jim. >> Who? Jim. >> He talked to him on the phone. >> We talked to him on the phone. >> Jim was your last name. Morsy. M O R I S E Y.
>> So we have two Moresies. Is that what I'm hearing? >> That's what you're hearing. >> Okay, gentlemen. Thank you. >> Okay. >> So, do you need the list still or do you want if we got it? >> Sure. >> Yeah, that's what I asked for. >> Okay.
Just want to make sure we have proper members on the commission and not just some rogue people that are on the on the commission. According to the website, the airport commission website, it doesn't state the names of who the
commission members are. >> I have no control over that. >> You're the chair, correct? >> But I didn't I don't just saying. >> Do you want a mail or do you want them electronically? >> Whatever is easiest to
>> Thank you. May's office usually handles all of that stuff, but I will give you a list other than uh any other variations on MS.
I don't see anybody else. We've had a motion is on the floor and we need a second. I'll second it. Okay.
Okay. And that's approved. All in favor? >> I >> I Okay. Gail is not coming tonight because there is nothing to vote on and she sent me the what she usually goes through.
Uh I can read it and we will take that answer any questions that I can off of those. Um, we had a lot of questions after the last meeting and the document KEX was submitted to
the CADEX rather was submitted to the FAA on the 13th. The FAA responded on the 326 with comments and Gail was awaiting clarification as to whether additional coordination with the Massachusetts
Historical Society is needed. And then once finalized deals will provide a final copy of the document of the cadex for my signature and to the come to the commission. Any questions?
the uh and then the uh second one is the acquisition aggregation easements and the scoping meeting was on the 19th right after the CADEX meeting and Gail
was updated to the scope of services based on the comments received during the meeting and expects to have to provide a draft to the group at the next meeting. She hasn't uh got everything completed yet. I guess
what does aggregation mean? How about a definition? >> Good question. I would say that the that is it aggregation would be vegetation that >> really >> above.
>> Okay. >> Yes. I believe that the aggregation I'm not going to go into Webster's dictionary, but when you're flying over the vegetation sticking up higher than it's supposed to. >> I'll bet it's not in the dictionary. >> Probably not. I don't know. I'm not. It's probably there but it's >> airs
right >> maybe >> but the aggregation easement is the ability to cuz the height that they have measured and they have to go 10 ft below that
for for roof until the next time we have to go through this. So they they have it plotted and they have the nine nine lots people that they have to talk to and then they will go from there.
They put in a dollar figure on what the easement might cost us so that they can and depending on which plan it falls under whether we get the 5% or 20% the city has to but he has
mayor has committed to doing that and not to confuse vegetation and aggregation But the vegetation management plan which kind of goes along kind of covers everything else. The call between Mass and the airport
deal was held on Thursday the 5th during which Mass raised concern about what the parcels to include in the VMP. They scheduled an ex internal call with Mass Natural Heritage to inquire about
the require contents required contents. Mascot followed up with a the airport deal in the GS GZA and I have no idea exactly how the where that came from. uh on 319 to confirm the parcels be
included in the V VMP. Gail and the GZA are currently updating their scopes of services based on the meeting. Now that's the I think the G is the what was it uh
right behind your hanger or right between your hanger and just out into the woods on the other side. That was the >> aggregation I guess it's called or >> it's >> that was the Indian talk about that. >> Yeah, whatever it is >> or the was out there.
>> Deciduous. Not deciduous. That's a trait. Uh I'm butchering it. >> Yeah, I know I am too. Welcome to the club. the uh arrogation uh the map we saw that only we could take a
look at it but it's not to be >> just in case they found some arrows or some bones of cook out or something from the >> whatever and so they're trying to see if we can even trim the trees out there even so I know there was a lot of questions I raised a question on getting
the cuz I'd like to try to cut a lot of those trees So that the new hanger gets a little more sun than it does because it doesn't get sun till about 10:00 in the morning on the pavement. Any other discussion?
>> You're talking about the fences the way they want to cut off everything like behind >> Well, they they can't put the fence posts >> sure in the ground. So they were trying to figure out how to get around. They can put gates in. I mean the the road technically
is cut off going right behind or side of uh blackness hanger. It comes out into the road. We'd have to put two gates. >> I understand that. >> Over the road, but there's also electrical wire going through there.
>> And I agree with you on that fence. They shouldn't be putting it across that stuff. They should go along side of it and down all the way around the back side of the new hanger. >> I'd like to be more costly for Gail and less money in their pocket is basically what it's going to come down to.
>> I don't know about that, but it's got to go out and they're they're trying to keep it out of the wetlands that 100 foot buffer for instance. >> We can do that, >> but I think it's all comes down to expenditures on the extra fence and less money in their pocket. Well, he he the
recommendation that we came up with, we were looking at it after at the meeting and instead of having the fence go where did it go? It went to the front edge of Phil, >> move it to the back.
>> Yeah, that's >> And then move the other backside. You were looking at it with >> Yeah. I don't understand why they just don't go from what the the existing fence there. Of course, they got to worry about the indigenous indigenous archaeology spot or whatever they call it.
>> Yeah, it's an archeological archaeological site. >> But in any case, I don't understand why cuz it's all been filled back there. We all know it's been filled back there. It's been filled there with junk and dirt and all kinds of stuff. I don't know what what they found, but >> Well, I don't know. That's the whole thing.
>> Yeah. And there's there's one there. There's another one. Where is it? Somewhere over on this side here. >> It's right over here. >> And then the mowers are And then there's No, there's one over on the woods on the other side. >> Yeah, there's one over by the where the
mowers are. And then there's down past uh Beckner's hanger. There was one down there and one up there and then one just north of of uh the runway bar that's across the street. Um, yeah, it's only
case a corner of it or something. I'd have to look at the map. The um, >> so I don't know. They're trying to fiddle their way through that whole thing. But if you get the vegetation management plan approved,
that cuts a lot of the red tape for going through EPA and wetlands and all the agencies that because we're doing it for a safety
reason at the airport and the vegetation management plan takes it into consider. consideration, but it prevents us from having to go to each one and each town's conservation commission and everything else. I believe they make notice with them, but I don't know how they I'm not
sure exactly how they go through. This was detailed about it. They mention it, she mentions it in the paragraph above. >> I'm sure it's way out of our hands anyway. >> Well, it's above our paper. >> Sure. But we got to we got to be
knowledgeable about it so that we can help get it completed. Any further discussion? Okay, Isabelle, you're on. >> Okay. Um, I just had a question about
the February meeting >> we had it. Yes. >> Yep. So you've mentioned to a few people that the chair yourself can only vote to break a tie. Is that correct?
I'm not sure if it's it yes or no. You have to have a full house. I believe like if we were to vote on something and there was six of us asking for us here then I can't vote.
That was the way it was explained to me >> if I have any whether but it has to be all the commissions. >> Okay, >> that's the way it was explained to me. I don't know. I'm still learning about all
of that. But on the vote for chair in February, you actually voted as a member. >> Yes. >> Because there was only four people chair breaking a tie, >> but there was only four people here.
>> Four commissioners. >> I don't think you should have voted. Do you do you >> I If I have a vote, I have a vote. If I don't have a vote, the mayor I went to the mayor for a decision on that and he
said because it was a tie vote. That's it. >> Yeah, but you shouldn't have voted. So, it was really two for Al and one for Jim. >> You will have to discuss that with the mayor. >> Voted one and then two for
>> But you'll have to discuss that with the mayor then because I asked him about that specifically. And he said, "When it's a tie vote like that, >> it wasn't a tie. >> It depends on your point of view because
if there were five commissioners here, six commissioners here, I wouldn't have voted." But there wasn't. >> You shouldn't have voted. Period. >> I You can't negate my vote because I'm still a commissioner.
I believe. >> Yeah. >> Did you all want to draw in the meetings? >> I think that was not a tie vote. I think it was a valid vote and >> you will have to get get clarification from the mayor of that vote. So I
>> therefore I I think that Al should be the chair based on that vote that >> I have no idea. I can't answer. >> I make a motion to move this on to next month. We can't move it. Well, that was a motion that was decided back in February.
>> Okay. All right. This is a dead point right now. It's still >> the only >> Let's continue. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Are you going to have a report for us? >> I think that was an error, but I just want to Yeah. make that known. >> Okay. So, the spring cleanup has begun.
Um, we still have some snow out there. The ground is very soft. Luckily, our snow plowing um the ground was very solid and we didn't uh dig up much of the dirt, which was great news. Uh it's a little better than last year. Last year, we had a little bit of uh work to
do around the edges. This year looks very good. So, um I've already started picking things up and um I found a few things uh now that the snow has melted. >> Are you talking about the periphery of the runway? Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah, all the grass. So when we push out
into the grass, if it's too soft, we we roll up the grass and in the spring I have to rake it all out again. That's all. Otherwise, the lawn worm tractor just, you know, it just makes a mess. So I have to flatten everything and then we
start with the the spring, you know, mowing mowing season. So that's going to be ongoing. Uh I have parts to order for the zero turn. We need new blades as usual and oil filters, hydraulic filter, maybe belts. I don't think we put belts
on last year. Um, so most of those parts need to be ordered. I'm going to be ordering those so we can get those in place. Um, >> are you going to get those from? >> Uh, actually, I was just checking on my phone. Um, you don't have to buy them at
John Deere for a premium price. You can get them at Tractor Supply for the um for the blades. They're only $20 per. And then Walmart actually had the filters, the oil filters, the oil and
the air filters for reasonably priced. So, I don't think I'm going to go to John to get them. The only thing I can tell you from my dealings with John Deers is that the belts that they sell
are by far the only thing that lasts. >> The belts, if you don't buy their belt, you'll go through your brake belts. >> If you if the um >> talk about the belts that drive the cutter blades, for example. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I might every time I bought a automotive belt or a belt someplace that had them the you know exact same size everything like that looks good. Great. I have to buy two a year. >> Okay. >> Normally the other the belt first belt I
had that was came original lasted 4 years. >> I don't think we've replaced that last year. So I'll get a job. Well, I didn't call for replacing any your brakes, but >> you know, you look at them and see what condition they're in. >> Yeah, it did a lot of moving last year.
So, I'm working on that. Uh I had Romano at Door Company here last week. They fixed the right rail that was bent. They didn't replace it. They didn't have to remove it and replace it. They have this tool that straightens it. Um the motor
was all messed up. uh he walked in there and he said, "Oh, who put that in place?" Um it didn't have enough brackets on it. So, every time it goes up and down, it actually twists. And every time it twists, it gets itself out
of place. So, he added another bracket to hold the um hold it in place. He said the spindles were off, the chain was off. He said it was all messed up. So, he fixed it. it was making a noise when
when he opened it. Uh so he said it was because the bracket didn't have enough brackets on it when it was installed and it twists all the time. So he fixed that and he fixed the rail and he fixed those two plastic pieces, those cosmetic plastic pieces on
the side. >> So that's done. Um, I asked I believe for an estimate on whether it was going to cost to fix that. >> Well, it was broken and it couldn't be opened because the spindles and the
chain were off. So, I don't know. It's It's reasonable. >> Also, um, Parker Fence, I called them on the phone. Uh, they had come a few weeks prior to adjust the horizontal ground on
the because it was open too far. And he showed me how to do it. And then um I think Dominic was trying to get out one night and he couldn't get out. >> No, that was me. >> Oh, you were trying to get out. Okay. Because >> it comes and it actually bumps into it
comes too far horizontally. Bumps into it and it comes back because it thinks it hit something. So I got the guy on the phone and we adjusted it. So now instead of >> Well, I backed it off, but I couldn't get it to work cuz I was holding an umbrella trying to >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And the top was busted. Did you fix the
top, too? >> I fix I blocked the top and >> Did you fix the hinge? >> Al's going to give me two pins to to fix the top of those. >> Top of the box. >> I think the um there's a popper with a
washer between the two hats. >> Yeah, I get some quick pins. I can put them on there with little snap rings that go on them. So, you just push them Get the box off if you need to. >> Bolt it. >> It should be secure. >> Okay. You want to bolt it? >> Well, I want, you know, that's why I was thinking copper rivets with a with a
long copper with a washer in the middle and washer on the other side that I don't know something like that would work. And I just didn't want it. I didn't want cuz if it gets somebody takes that top off and the top was cockeyed when I came and
looked at it and the brain >> it had rained and snowed in there. >> So it's locked on the front. >> It's supposed to be down all the way around and secure because it's part of the fence. >> Yep. Yeah. So we'll take care of that.
Uh I don't have the fuel receipts yet. It's too early in the month for those. the next few days we have those. And um Oh, here the u I have a diesel fuel for snow plowing
that we paid. I have uh I bought 80 gallons of heating oil before the day before the price went up and Parker Fence uh charged us 350 to come out. So was what? >> 350.
>> Yeah, plus he I talked to him on the phone charges for >> But you don't have a bill from uh over ahead. >> It's coming. I'll let you know when it is. What' Parker Fence do for you?
>> They adjusted the horizontal run >> out here. Got it. >> No gas counts or anything? >> How many gallons of fuel? You have any idea? I I don't have that yet. It's only the
first of the month. It get takes them five to six days to uh send it to us. So, we'll have it next month. And you had the So, the only one you've got a price on
is the park fence. And you said you bought what? 8 gallons of oil heating up. >> 80. >> 80 >> just to fill it before the price went up. >> You didn't have a price on that. No. >> Oh, yes. Yeah, it's right here. >> Okay. Can I have a copy of that?
>> $349, I guess. Before the price $5. >> Yeah, it is $5. It is. I haven't seen anything 26 minutes.
Isabelle, would it is it possible to get all of these bills on a spreadsheet every month so you don't have to pass all these book as well? >> It's really only two or three that many. The only advantage I would like is cuz I'm putting them in a spreadsheet so
that I have them so I can see what's what's flowing the number of gallons >> if you want. It's just some month is only, you know, a couple. It really doesn't seem worthwhile to have it in a spreadsheet. >> Well, it's you don't have to print paper
that way. Well, >> do we have an account that shows the balance of what we have every month in the account? I mean, how we have a budget? >> Yes, we have a budget. >> So,
it it's it's >> I mean, it's flat. >> The budget at this airport's disgusting. It's actually no. That's why you have volunteers down here. >> It's it's flat. There's nobody anything in it. >> I don't know where there's no money
here, has it been? Yeah. Hey, anybody wants to volunteer down here and knock yourself out? I was just asked to, you know, I want to tell you guys right now the in the airport commission. You probably don't want to hear this from a fairly new member, but
we are the commission. We y and nay capital projects. The airport manager runs the airport. it would probably be a good idea to ask the airport manager what she needs down here instead of just coming down here and hey well I'm going to do this or I'm
going to do that this winter I says do you need help down at the airport if you do I can get people to help out down which I did >> that's it >> so so what >> what are you proposing I'm proposing
that if anybody comes down here and wants to do stuff. It's just not like the good old boys club used to be. Cuz we don't there's no more good old boys club. >> What's the good old boys club? >> Well, the good old boys club was back when Kenny was here. You and everybody
else, John and you guys just came down and did what you had to do. I understand you you volunteered and stuff, but you need proper licensing down here on the equipment down here. >> I Okay. >> Don't think we need that. whether you have a proper license for
>> hydraulics license in or the equipment that you need the class B CDL for the truck because if anybody runs into anything down here let it be an airplane another person >> I've been saying that for years you got to have a license that's absolutely right
>> and what happens is the person that's nonlicensed in that vehicle gets sued then the airport manager gets sued and then the city gets sued Anybody who had anything to do with it? >> Sure. But when you don't have your
>> We're kind of off the topic a little bit now cuz Isel's got to finish her. >> Yeah, I'm finished. So, >> okay. >> Our snowplow people, we're all licensed now because of that. >> Yeah. If you're licensed, Phil, that's great. We could use help down here. I'm just saying. But to operate in even that
mower, that three gang mower, you have to have a 4G license to operate that. That's state of Massachusetts. You go to New Hampshire, you don't need a license to do anything. That's the state of Massachusetts. >> You need a 4G license to >> absolutely that's a special No, the three gang
mower that mower behind that's a that's a four Yeah, you need a 4G license for that. A 4G. >> What is a 4G? >> So a 4G is a specialty mower like the three gan you have on that machine. Even that bush hog in the back, depending on
the size, if you put a mower on an excavator or the arm of that side of that tractor, it's for it's that falls under the 4G licensing of a hydraulics license. So, you have to have for a loader, you have to have at least a a 2A. If you have a 2C, you're covered
with everything. But you have to have a minimum of 2 C. A 2A. I believe it's a 2A. >> Yeah. >> Or is it a 1A? Now it's a it's a it's a 2A because 1 C1A is going to do with four trucks in in uh uh what they call land all not
land all those off-road articulating for trucks. That's what that is. That's what you got to have. So if you hurt somebody or wreck somebody's stuff, you're not covered. >> Inspector will come and say it's show me your license. >> Yeah, I know. I've been through. >> Yeah, I know. every two years.
>> So that's why we're all licensed now. >> It's it's you know I've had a license for years you know CDL so on so get an excavator whatever since 86. Yeah, sure. I'm just saying you got to have that stuff down here and
especially driving on the road. Well, you know, driving on the road, you why not? That's that's why I suggested that >> private property. I You don't That's wrong. You're wrong. All day long. >> No hydraulic license. You have a piece
of equipment on >> talking about CDL. >> The thing takes off. >> It's not unregistered on your own property. Yeah. Do whatever you want. But if it's if it's registered, you have to listen. Hey, Massachusetts made these rules. Not me. >> Yeah.
The last Well, never mind. >> It's all about money. It's just another tax on us. It's all this. >> Okay. >> But it's going to come to you >> now. The uh I like using the Robert's rules of the We're all done talking about that,
right? >> No, I I think that's kind of ridiculous in a small thing, Jim. We're not unruly here. We're not heated. We're not We're not anything. And you want to make this into a circus and everybody has to do this and do that. I mean, you know, it's
not going to last. I'll tell you that. You watch. >> And there aren't 200 of us. >> No, I'm just saying. I think it's kind of foolish to do it, Jim. I mean, if you want to throw a vote out there and put it in, that's great. But I'm I guarantee you it's going to fail. It doesn't work
in Congress or Senate. I'm just saying. There's only five of us here. >> Yes, >> I know. And some of us are trying to stay on task. >> Okay. >> And get the get get done cuz you like spending your time time here. I know. But we've got the limit.
>> I like spend my time here. >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. >> I mean the it gives us I got I got about >> 50 50 minutes, right? Maybe. >> Well, it's kind of done. >> Yeah, we're done. >> You okay?
>> Next. Next. >> So, would you like to I somebody I'm throwing it out there. I want to use Robert's rules. >> I gave you >> It's a no for me. >> I gave you a copy of all the rules or
the simplified version of it. >> 700 700 page book. >> Congress. I >> This isn't Congress. >> Please. >> I vote no. Jim, >> are we going to discuss it or do you want to just free-for-all it?
I think it's a good idea because it it limits the amount we can I can limit the amount of time that you spend on everything and we're not talking about uh fuel prices and then CDLs all in the same >> I just
have to stay on topic. >> It's a one time discussion. Everybody knows now to operate any hydraulics equipment around here. We're not disc. It's never talked about again Jim. Okay. >> Okay. Okay, moving along >> and I am asking that's what I'm trying
to do and I need to if you guys think that this is a good idea and you want to make a motion, we can go to make a motion and vote on it and then whatever sheet is that >> no spreadsheet right we got to get
>> cuz one of the things that I want on the rule that they said that it should be on the agenda for the meeting so we can all prepare and ask questions or talk about it or do whatever you do to become educated about what what is going on rather than having
a complete free-for-all. And that's where the problem is. >> Huge problems here, Jim. >> It is. >> Yeah. Huge problems. All right. I I vote no. So that's what I'm telling you. >> Just ask for a vote right now. >> It's ridiculous. >> Just ask for a vote, Jim. It's all you
got to do. We already know what it is. One at a time right now. >> Okay. Do it. Roll call. Vote. >> No. Al Centino. >> Oh jeez. You don't even know what it is. Okay. >> Yeah. I've got a sixth grade education.
>> We're not in Congress. Come on. >> What do you guys say? >> I say no. >> I say no. >> I like to try it. >> Yes. >> No. No. Okay. Vote no cuz it's one, two,
three. And I would vote for the things around here. So I don't vote. Okay. Jet club. They sent me a letter and they wanted to
what they had proposed which was the one that I had last week. Oops. Get that light up. They talked about they wanted to pay they they he called
me and he said we $200 $2,000 they have uh I wanted to get trying to get a name out of them what they're going to call it. I don't know whether it's going to be the guy in the jet club or something. and it's going to be flow. And I had them come up the other day and
they had a couple of electric ones and I we went up the other end and showed them they flew them around a little bit and they might just use a taxi way. They have to use pavement because the uh jet engines don't like dirt
and the uh they wanted to make the make quarterly payments and if you think the $2,000 is adequate and $500 a month, they want to be able
to come up. Um, questions that I had were that they wanted to put a container up here to put some stuff in, maybe even a a a golf cart or something that they could store so they could go from wherever the container is going to be to
a location to their up next to the runway or the taxi way and operate from there and put their stuff back in. Just save them a lot of running around. use a golf cart for that.
So the my suggestion was to put it up next to the fence between MIT and the other side of it there towards Kevin's hanger on the flat there. And then the usual place that they had with the north end
of the rental half of the airport and they were using that. uh they didn't like the trees on the other side of the runway because it was they were flying over them on downwind and stuff like that. They said, "Well, if it goes down,
it goes down." But, uh they even looked at the taxi way and said, "Well, we could land on the taxi way, too. We'll take off." So, they, you know, what they do down there isn't much of a problem. They're going to have a radio on the airport frequency. One person is going
to be designated the spotter. >> How often are they gonna be here, Jim? >> Well, they want to have kind of a free reign if they could. Like, uh, he called me today. He wanted to do from he thought it was going to be like, let me see what he asked for.
>> I think that's sort of a key piece of information. >> And he should be calling me. >> I've also got a question. So, they wanted to do 9 to three, but they thought most likely probably just 10 to two and it may not even be that fast.
Now, um we discussed how they vis. >> So, my question is you met up with these guys when Saturday you say >> we came in yesterday Sunday. >> Sunday. Okay.
So, you came down by yourself. I didn't know anything about this being a commissioner. Shouldn't I be aware of what's going on here? And and I know you're going to roll >> I was trying I'm trying to put together a a document for you guys to look at. >> Okay.
>> That explains what the rules are going to be and all that. >> So, why couldn't another member be here to watch what's going on or the airport manager seeing she's managing the airport? I'm just saying Jim could have told >> cuz I don't I wanted to get see how
these guys picking on you Jim. >> I wanted to see how these guys operated and I was comparing it to what I had seen before and when the Jet Club was coming here >> and there was so many questions that I had
and they've answered all of them. So now I'm trying to put together a report that I can give you guys and I would like your input on what questions you might have. But when I I know when I get
discussing this with you guys and we end up going off on a >> my question uh about 3 4 minutes ago was how often are they going to be here operating and I didn't hear the answer.
They want to have be able to come. >> Free rain >> seven days a week. >> Yep. >> Good weather throughout the summer, you know, for a five, six month period, >> winter, year round. >> I think that's crazy for 2,000 bucks.
And uh there are other airports where from time to time it's hard to get in because all the jets are flying around the little airport over there in Newberry Court, as you're trying to make a landing. That's uh >> on 2500 ft. >> Yeah. >> I also
>> and so uh I would say that's a point that needs to be uh discussed. >> That's why I wanted to talk to them and see what their thoughts were on it. And my thoughts were that that's why they have to have a spotter and if anybody gets calls in on downwind
or they see another airplane in the pattern, they are to land and take their airplane off the runway and they u most FAA communications are talking about that usually you can
hear them, you know, people coming in from out of the area usually call in at least Frankly, I think I think this, you know, I've seen these guys flying here in the summer. Many times I've seen these, >> but it's always
just a few days out of the course of the summer, but it's it's not uh it's not standard airport activity. It should not be turned into a daily or weekly or monthly circus. Uh it's uh
it's really something completely different than that. I mean they should go find themselves an open grassy field such as >> they can't >> well there are such places you know >> not for jets >> what's that >> knock for jets
>> I I don't I don't have any of the details but I'm not sure uh you want to have turned the local gardener airport into a sort of a a fun time for all sorts of uh >> nonpilots. It ought to be there ought to
be some limits like uh we'll let you do it u one day a month uh one weekend day a month or something. Anyway, that's my opinion. It should not be just be an open book arrangement. >> Well, that's kind of activity,
>> right? And um how much insurance do they have? What if they hit one of our airplanes um that's worth 200,000? How much >> How about this? What if one of those jets comes down and nails one of the spectators and >> takes them out?
>> Yeah, >> for God's sakes. Those things move pretty fast. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's no question. the uh the one I got from the one that got dollar amounts on it. >> I think there ought to be I think this
there ought to be some strict we ought to get Donald Trump involved and give us the 15 different uh >> well he they did mention it when they were here. >> What Donald Trump >> they mentioned how much they what the
how their structure was. >> I don't care about the structure. I'm talking about the >> the frequency of the use that this airport will be turned into something that is unbelievable >> service perhaps >> I need to know every single time they come
>> there is a they have 2.5 million and I was looking I got I had it here somewhere >> $2.5 million >> they have a liability policy for 2.5 million And a
you got papers on the floor. >> Yeah. No, it's not in those. They had uh how do they word it? It's 2 and a half million per occurrence and a 5 million
uh what's the next level up for whatever they call it liabilities 2.5 million per current 5 million or excess. >> Yeah. >> So that's pretty good insurance better than what we have. Well, if they're saying they're going to be up here any
day they want during peace weather throughout >> they want to that's that's over that's over the top. >> And I had two occurrences two one thing that I told them you know we talked about this at the end of the meeting last time which was that if MFP is up
here they can't be >> Say that again please. If MIT is here, they can. >> Okay. >> Okay. But, uh, there was, uh, >> they're not going to be in the way. >> Why, can I make a suggestion? >> Sure.
>> Why don't you put the whole package together and let's have a special meeting and go over everything and then we can discuss it whe you want it or not. >> I think that's a great idea, Andy. And right now we're we're saying
>> what do you but I don't >> I know you don't have all the answers right now. >> I don't have all the answers. I don't have all the questions either. >> So let's put the questions together with and get the answers. Have a meeting just on them and then make a decision. And by
the way, 2,000 bucks is peanuts for uh 365 day a year accidents in this lovely little airport. That's crazy. >> Well, we don't have to let them have 365. We we can my my the way I wanted to do it was to call have them call because
there's right now MIT has a blanket notmal that goes from 9 to 4 5 days a week >> there's like three or four people here and they're pretty much not even near the runway and uh >> they're on the taxi they're on the taxi
way >> and uh >> they're on the run on the taxi away and they are inside the fence. >> They are inside the fence. That's >> they are inside the fence and uh I says you have to have a note
that lets people know we need some advance and I don't know what the requirement would be for that but there needs to be some advanced and a notem posted but all it states is that there are UAVs within a 2 mile radius of the airport.
Yes. Question. >> So I think Andy has a legitimate great idea about getting that packet of questions and I think with the meeting that he suggests have the airplane people here instead that you know as a
member Jim I kind of feel like you're doing your little side deal on a Sunday afternoon with these guys. Why wouldn't you invite us to have the same time? Well, I can't I can't >> you get the questions instead of having to ask you and that's all that's all I'm saying.
>> No. And I'm I'm trying to get it so that I can answer some of them. But I think that the if I have a meeting then it has to be hosted 48 hours in advance and if I have more than
well I can have one other commissioner with me. That's it. Otherwise, it has to be posted 24 48 hours in advance and have a specific time. Now, I can do that if you want >> cuz the airport manager should be in
attendance. She manages the airport. >> It just ain't the Jim and the airplane guys receiving those calls. >> Yeah, but you don't tell anybody else about them. >> You can't be receiving those calls. You're not the manager.
>> But I guess you got to stay in your lane. I mean, I'm not saying just you, all of us. I mean, we're the commission. We do capital projects. We yay nay and stuff. The manager manages the airport and has to talk to these people. >> I mean, I know that in the past without
a manager, it was a free-for-all. The good old boys club and we did whatever we wanted to do. Well, not me in particular, but how it went because there was nobody down here. But now, you have a legitimate airport manager. You have a legitimate commission and she's
got to be told what's going on around here. You just can't do it. It'd be like me making a crap deal with somebody around here and some other thing and then come into the meeting say, "Hey, I made this crap deal with these people and this is what they're going to want to pay. Everyone with that?" I mean, I'm not I think that these guys are going to
be great down here. Are they going to bring a lot of people in just in curiosity? I think it's a good thing, but we definitely can sit down with them as a group and discuss it in detail, have papers written on whatever we need to get and have the airport manager in
>> the airport commission does have more than just that. >> Okay. >> For we we're more than just capital projects and and it's we do manage the airport, too. Once we get an
agreement with them, in the past we've always made it through the city solicitor to cover up. >> That's what I'm trying to find out. In the document, I had Josh got me a sent me a sample contract, but that was for
a contract that they make with a general contract sample that they make with somebody who's going to come in and do construction or work for the city and has, you know, like the engineering company would do like the stuff we're
doing with the engineers. So, that's not going to work. and I did send him a the agreement for MIT and he approved it and it's probably going to be more on the line with what
MIT does, but uh they they offered to to the $2,000 and all that which is >> Yeah, it's it's something which is crowd shows up. How many people are we talking about? >> Five. >> Five people.
>> Maybe four or two. I have to have at least two. One to look and one to >> So, we're going to open up this airport so five people can play with their toys. Why don't we suggest to them they use the green field out there where everybody else is uh playing on the weekends cuz the jet engines will suck
at the bottom and ruin the engines. And those those engines are like 30 grand a piece. 15 all night. That's all I'm saying is and they are aviation. >> And these guys don't want to wreck
airplanes, Dave. They really don't. >> I'm sure they're very expensive. >> Yeah, they're really not a toy, but >> they're not a toy. >> They are toys. >> They have to have license for that. >> Nobody Nobody expensive. >> They all are toys here.
>> All planes are toys here. >> Well, I guess we can go reveling on everything with that. >> Huh? We can go that can be relevant relevant with that with everything. Cars, motorcycles, whatever. Yawn. >> You're right. >> What do you draw on the line?
>> Okay. Let me You want to meet with him Saturday? >> This Saturday? >> Yeah. >> A little soon. It is Easter weekend. >> Okay. Okay. So, what are the restrictions you're going to put on it that you just want to >> It's the holiday.
>> It's holiday weekend for some people, Jim. I'm just saying. >> I'm just asking. >> Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe 3 weeks in advance would be good or a month. >> 3 weeks. >> Yeah. You think I have good weather? >> Well, what if I had a a trip to Florida? Go hang out with Jim on the beach.
>> No, I mean, I'm just saying. >> Yeah, but you're flying an airplane and you're you don't want me to tell you you can't go. It's 6:30 >> here again. We get off subject. Okay, we got a couple of little problems
that are going to need to be discussed. The biggest problem is right now price of fuel. >> Well, it is a problem. >> Yeah. Should we go up on our rate?
>> You talking about price of the pumps? Is that what you're saying? Pricing at the pump. >> I didn't. We had control over that, huh? >> She and I decided on the figure one. >> Well, if it's costing you, I don't know, six bucks, you can't really justify
charging 550 for the same gallon, right? >> We bought 3,000 gallons at 475 and we pay $1. We charge $1 over that. The mayor doesn't want to >> 575 >> people since we're a municipality. Yeah,
>> we've already paid for that fuel. >> Well, then I wouldn't I wouldn't rush to raise the price until it's time to fill it up again. >> Well, the price of fuel today from is 5.85. >> Yeah, I'm sure it is. And it was four
bucks. Is that right? It was 485. Now it's 585. >> It's 585. >> But she just bought a punch at 58. >> No, we didn't buy fuel. We bought fuel in September. >> How many gallons was that again? You >> 3,000. brought 3,000 and we've paid for it. >> I don't think you need to rush to
increase the price of fuel until it's time to uh fill the tanks again. That be my opinion. >> Well, we won't have the money to pay for it. >> You won't have money to what? >> The fuel money that we make is set aside to buy more fuel down the road. >> Correct. >> I see.
>> So, now it's costing us. We have We finally hit We had >> Okay. Well, that makes sense. I understand what you said. So, >> we just under we just went when in September I wanted to order 2,000. She says get three. >> So, I I agree.
>> I had we ended up with 2,00 >> 900. Just get it. >> No, you don't. >> Yes, I do. >> 200 2,900 up. >> The current is not going to make provisions for the in the future. >> Excuse me. >> Right. >> 3,900
gallons of fuel. Last Friday was last time >> we had >> 3,000 gallons we sold 900 gallons from September to last Friday. Now I've got 3,000 gallons that are who
knows how long it's going to last because we're in the springtime. But every time a gallon goes out of that tank under 3,000 gallons, it's costing us $10. Because the price to replace that gas,
>> we're $10 short. >> Yeah, we got what's right now? >> Do you know? >> No. The state average according to AFuel is uh or what's the I get a weekly bulletin, daily bulletin.
>> So, what's the recommend? >> What's the recommendation for a price t? >> I would say at least 685. >> 685. question. >> Yep. >> So, I did some quick math here. Uh last
last month you spent according to uh Isabelle, what was it? 485 a gallon. You said >> 485, I think you said. >> Yep. And uh you said 5.85 is the going rate right now to buy it tomorrow if we needed it. >> Just where's the $10 figure come from, please? It's the
>> difference between what we're charging and what we're getting, >> what we pay for the next gallon, next fuel. You mean 485 subtracted from 585 is 10 bucks. Is that what you're saying? >> 585 585
subtract 575. >> That's 10 cents. >> $10 cents rather. Okay. >> Sorry. 10 cents. >> So the difference in price from last time we bought it was it come to $14,250
ballpark figure and to buy it at 5.85 85 is 17550 ballpack figure and it would be a difference of 3,300 bucks in the spending. >> So, >> but if the money is not in the account that works, Jim, I haul fuel for years.
So, >> that hauling is different than cuz that's where the biggest >> I understand, but I used to go to the pumps and fill it. I mean, you get I know a lot about the fuel stuff. >> Well, you know everything about >> I I do. I know everything, Jim. But I do know about fuel, the way fuel works and
how you get it at the the stuff and bring it. >> I understand what you're saying, but do you really want to go up that far? >> I don't. >> Okay. >> I think we should have. I should have. I didn't realize it was going to go up that much.
>> Nobody. >> So, when do we need fuel next? When we get down to under 1,000 gallons or down around 800 gallons, 2900 and what? >> Uh it says here
the volume is 20 2799 is what it's saying right here. >> Okay. So we had a good weekend. >> We did have quite a few. Yeah, we could raise a we could raise a little. I don't know about an old dollar. We're about 50 cents. 75 cents. Look at it right now.
Hold on. >> My problem is I don't know what the what's going to happen. >> You always up it. You don't have to just >> Yeah, but if we don't up it soon enough, we won't have enough to buy more.
>> We're going to end up buying. >> Oh, that's true. And fortunately it whatever goes into that account stays there. So there but there's not much of a cushion. >> In honor Jim I don't know everything.
I'm not aologist. I'll tell you if I don't know something. >> So uh >> just saying >> what so what do you think? Well, I I you know, I I don't want to go that high, but I don't see any reason why we can't
or we shouldn't. >> A dollar above what we're paying what we're paying. >> Well, if we do a dollar above, we're still behind. We're making less, but we are not as far behind when we get done.
>> That's 485 or 585. What you're suggesting? Well, I say either 585, 575 if you want to do it. >> And where did the extra buck come from? I mean, you thinking you at some point you were saying 6 >> 575 now. We're going to want to go to 685
or 675 was what you were saying. >> Yeah. 675. >> But I think that depending on what happens in the next month. Yeah. So, I'm looking right here. Orange
is stating uh that they're getting 650 a gallon. Sterling is at 660. Then they got fuel now. Uh and we don't want to go there. Where's Fitsburg? F P F P F P F P F P F P F P F
P F P F Pitsburg's at 685. Yeah. >> So, if we want to stay competitive, >> we want to be between orange. I I thought 650 would be more than enough on here. >> But if you stay between or the same as
orange, at least you're going to have I mean, you know how cheap piles are. They go half an hour out of the way to get it, you know, less. Look at the gas pumps on the street. No little line up over here to get 3 cents cheaper. >> Yeah. >> I mean, we're starting to get volume. People coming. >> I know. But I now
>> came from NSHA down here this weekend. >> Sterling 660. Orange is fly 650 right now. We can always up it Jim next month. I mean it's it's only 30 days. We're not going to run out of fuel. >> Yeah. If we run out of gas in 30 days, >> we can't pay anyway.
>> I think 650 is a good figure. >> I'll agree with that. >> You got to be competitive with orange and sterling. >> Okay. You have Jeffrey on here. Oh, Jeffrey show you a 590. Of course. >> That's with the plan or without the
plan. >> What's that? >> So, u 650. Now, there's two other things that cropped up that I saw. We got the storm drain out at the corner here that
collapsed >> and blocked. >> It's started about two weeks ago. >> That's when it started. >> I didn't see it until >> Yeah. >> I I was down here on Friday. I didn't get down here on Thursday after the
rainstorm last week. And when I saw it, I said, "The work's crack. Can't leave that." I was lucky enough that it was in the morning. So, I went and got a barrel from the city and put it out there. I don't know what they're going to do. >> Okay. >> The other thing is the
um >> Hang on folks. Here we're about to fly up and around the moon here. >> Oh, they launched. >> My god, look at that. >> So far so good. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Wonder what they pay for gas.
>> Good question. They don't pay for gas. Liquid oxygen is hydrogen. I didn't know. >> You don't think >> those solid rockets though? Although the solid rockets like >> You're saying there's no carbon compounds in that fuel. Is that what you're saying? >> Right. >> It's just hydrogen.
>> Hydrogen and oxygen. >> That's it. >> And the four main engines, but the two booster rockets on the side, >> the way it was described, it's like a piece of dynamite. >> They're solid fuel. Okay. >> And they when you set them off, it's like
to get them going. >> Holy [ __ ] >> There might be survivable at this point, these guys. >> Well, it depends on if anything happens. >> Right outside the window. >> No way. >> Look at that. A little too cloudy for that.
>> What a view, huh? >> Those are going to take them eight minutes to get to orbit. >> Look at that son of a [ __ ] I don't know if that's a retrievable object or not. >> For those of us on that tape, we're
watching the Atomus 2 launch out of >> Titusville. >> Titusville or Kennedy Space Center. And uh it's working so far. >> I don't know how you stay calm and
relaxed if you're sitting in that capsule. No, they they're just screaming and you can't hear them. >> And uh they're about to uh get rid of the first uh >> We don't get sidetracked too easily, do
we? >> No. Squirrel look the atmosphere. Things change. >> I'm going to I'm going to get out of here pretty soon. >> Yeah. Well, the uh the only other thing I got is we got that that we got to try
and stay on top of because that's part of our sewage storm water prevention pollution. >> And look, >> the solid propellants have done injector. >> Yeah. >> So Jimmy went and talked to the you got
a barrel >> public works. I got the barrel. She she saw them when they came down. I don't know anything about what it said. I talked to them and then they came down and looked at but they're very busy. >> They haven't said anything. >> They're very busy right now. I mean they'll get they'll do it but they're very busy.
>> Are they going to recover those solid? >> The other >> I don't know >> other question that I have the electrical markers concrete blocks we got to figure out where they go and put them back. >> Electrical markers.
>> Yeah. >> Which block? Two of them. They're this big. this thing. >> The orange pads. >> No, they're cement blocks. >> Oh, they're at the top there, >> right? >> That those things have been there well before the winter time. They've been here since they did that construction. For real. They're just sitting there. I
was going to move them. They don't go to anything. >> I thought they were. >> No, they're all marked with orange. Yeah, the electric ducting all marked in orange. Matter of fact, uh I would I would consider putting those fiberglass things on those orange markers because
you can't keep going over those. >> What What markers are you talking about? >> The orange markers for the ducting. Those concrete ones didn't go to anything. >> Oh, I thought they were black in the back in the junction boxes that were buried under the by the taxi ways. >> No, those are orange.
>> Orange color. >> I just ask. I saw them. >> Why are they sitting here? Why are they sitting there? >> Yeah, they need to be moved. Toss. >> They were buried before. >> Yeah, probably from the old construction up at the end of the >> I don't know why they didn't take them. >> I don't know. They were sitting there. I thought that was kind of strange, too. I
didn't bother looking. >> Okay. >> I didn't know anything about sitting there for quite some time. >> Okay. >> I will try and get some kind of a proposal put together for them for the check club and then we will go
from there. They wanted to come up this weekend. What? >> 46,000. >> Okay. >> So, give it like 3 weeks. >> Well, they want to get into I'm sure
they do. So does everybody else. But >> 436 is what it is. >> 400. Oh. Um, so Jim, one more question for you to call the minutes. So the fuel price is 650. That's what it's going to be set at. We agree on that or no?
>> 650. >> 650. >> I'm just writing in my notes. That's all. >> 650. >> Okay, go for it. >> I mean, to stay competitive with the with the local airports and if we have to bump it up and bump it up just like the gas stations do.
>> Okay. I'll make a motion to adj 640. >> Yeah. >> 400,000 ft. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That thing's moving. >> So FT >> 800
800,000 gallons or 800,000 lb probably >> thing is looking folk Every night.