yeah want to get going we open the meeting at 5:31 um I just want to go quickly over the what Kale sent me so that I can put it in the minutes uh the closeout report for 18B
survey portion of this project is currently being prepared storm water prevention plan notice of intent was submitted on 3625 to the S SW BPP will be is
currently under review uh by EPA then under the master plan the electronic copies of the APU and ALP were provided to all parties uh FA MASD myself and Isabelle on 313 paper
copies will be provided in next meeting project closeout report was submitted to the FA on 313 and there was no the wildlife hazard now the site visit will it's going to be
the end of May right now the period of 2 days on 529 530 and then the environmental assessment obstruction analysis uh during the March meeting we
approved requested that Gil requested the commission accept vote to accept the Gil fee of $221,400 forwarded and forward the grant application to Mayor Nicholson for final funding approval after providing a
detailed review of the scope of items the commission voted unanimously to accept Gail's fee and forward the grant application to the mayor the final grant applications were submitted to the FAA and Mass DOT and include the following
costs 221,000 for Yale environmental assessment study and obstruction study fee $4,000 for teleport independent fee estimate $1,500 for up to three newspaper ads
uh grant total of $226,900 uh FAA share is 215,555 mass DOT share is $5672.50 50 and the city share is $5,6772.50 that is the continu
conclusion of Gail's report and uh any questions the project is everything's kind of falling into line finally to get through all of this stuff that we have to do uh in order to in order to get this totally
approved and get the money to pay for a lot of this stuff any questions what happens if uh all this grant money is is frozen or removed i don't think it's going to happen that
way because of the grant that's already been approved and stuff like that the initial if they don't I don't know for sure i think that the um it's just question of the personnel
reviewing the documents because they were all everything was done i don't or I've never been in this situation to tell you what's come for sure but I would say that because it's as far along as it is it's going to keep going
um I don't know it's not like uh I don't know what what's to compare it to but I mean the agency entered in good faith we did too so we've got contractual allowances right there i know they were pushing to get
everything done and submitted okay no question okay um airport managers report uh anything on the VAR system um
I can email that to you so we got it okay february and March yep and April oh well february and March I'll take yeah uh so the FAA flyover for the 18B survey was done and the electrician from Cullen
Associates was here to uh coordinate in case um the FBA couldn't see something or if it had to be moved or didn't work or whatever so he was here and while he was here we fixed all the lights that uh were tilted or or
broken from the winter and um as you recall we had the uh that bad ice storm at the end with very high snow banks and we did lose a couple of lights there luckily though um since all those pieces some of them are the same parts as the
old system even though the new ones are LED the top part is just the LED piece but the new lights are very expensive they're $1,000 a piece for that small unit with the circuit board in it under the light however we fixed five lights
and we only used one new light and it showed me how to do it and um the bottom part of it that knuckle part is um the same and the post is the same as the old ones and um when you hit them the
knuckle breaks away and you have to take that piece off and get a new one which is then threaded down into the light fixture at the bottom and you put that anti-seize stuff around the threads and uh that works really well so we got
those all fixed and then uh Al had an idea how to keep us from hitting lights in the future when we had the the high snow banks did you want to just mention well unfortunately they should have left the taxi airport alone but they narrowed
everything down jim you can concur with me on how close the low wing planes come to the edge of the runway get narrow but the runway Yeah taxi ways are narrow narrow same width we're definitely going to have to get
especially with big snow banks we're definitely going to have to get that snowblower up and season it has to yeah and I did okay i did once this year so the uh snowb blower attaches to the the
lower the lower yeah so the uh where the lights are I was thinking perhaps going 10 ft with those fiberglass posts like you put in driveways just so if the lights are below the snow or the banking's getting a little high you can at least tell that within 10 ft of that
fiberglass pole inbound is where the light is i mean just a thought yeah i don't know they all have they all have the uh short one that's by the base
and I don't know if there's any I don't know if there's any requirement or restriction on that check the brakes i can talk check with uh so five lights were damaged five lights were damaged one of them was just tilted over it was
still working but it was just tilted so we we fixed you know replaced the parts used whatever used parts we had well we got new only used one light from the new new uh supply supply that we have so they gave us a dozen new lights and also
other parts new parts that we can use but yeah obviously we'll try to be you know more careful in the winter when we're snowplowing since they're so expensive thousand bucks a piece huh well only only the top unit the top unit it's the
LED light and the light transformers and the circuit board essentially the same light we'll try to be careful we just had very high snow banks and it was all ice and they went up we've seen we've seen
higher past the thing so if you're snowb blowing instead of plowing you're going to throw the snow beyond the ice probably and Yeah keep them visible yes by doing so yeah yeah it's a good idea yeah oh I've done it um anyway uh clean
up um I haven't started the clean up but I will be doing that soon we didn't do as much damage to the the dirt and the soil as we did last year so that's good so it must have frozen solid before we could you know because we do push it off
the asphalt and through the you know through the dirt and sometimes we chunk it all up and then before the before we start you know mowing we have to break it all out so I'll be doing that but it's it's pretty good this year uh city
hall told me to do the new leases and get those out and um I've been doing that uh peacemail um as the people can come and sign sign them we've had some people in Florida
and away so they couldn't come and sign so as they're coming back I'm having them sign um and then Jim is signing although it can be any commissioner can sign these and then uh I'm handing them off to the purchasing director and then
it goes to the city attorney and then it goes to the mayor and then it's filed in city hall so they told me to get going on those and get those written out so I'm doing that uh right now we have one from I'm not going to have name I'm not going to say names on the on the uh it's
all public market anyhow uh right so uh John has one to be signed and I would like to rent the city's uh hanger which is next to the truck hanger which has been rented by Dominic
so when I first came I cleaned that out he had a bunch of junk in there piled high up to the rafters i cleaned that all out took it all to the dump and cleaned it all out however there's uh still some city stuff in there a bunch
of heavy chains some tires and a very large pallet with um loader teeth that we never put on the loader so they're big and they're heavy they're about this and the pallet is about um I don't know
4x4 by 4 and we don't really have anything to move that but and then there's a bunch of old uh uh wooden you know benches that were were in there so I'm proposing the other two
tenants in that building pay $154 per month they're on the sunny side of that building i'm proposing to pay $125 per month you can't really use that hanger in the winter
because that's all ice there nothing melts it's all in the shade those hanger doors freeze solid you You really can't use it in the winter and it's filled a third with the city stuff sill still so that's why I
dropped it to 125 from 154 so if you guys Sounds okay to me would approve that I would like to have a lease for that what are you going to put in there my assessor
got room for that it there is room for that the floor is all chunked up it's like somebody was uh pounding you know it's not really a retail hanger it's not pretty uh and it's on the north side it's really awful in the winter and the
the concrete's all chunked up like somebody was chopping ice there or or something so that's that and the door keeps falling off it's track anyway
um is that okay with you guys only question I have is whether somebody looks at it from a legal standpoint i don't know how um I don't know if it'll pass i just pass what it will pass what
well you are obviously given a a break on the rent and I don't know if that's you know whether the other two of us are paying the full price and for you know for the trade union
you want to solve that one J you You You're paying a fraction of what the rest of us pay no no i'm not talking about me i'm You put your plate in that hanger she wants to get for a buck and what a buck and a quarter
125 for 154 $25 no but well where I run into the problem and this has to be discussed at this meeting because the uh you get into the ethics pilot and
then you get into the open meeting law and this all has to be discussed out in the open because we are a public entity and that's all I'm asking to be done i'm not just general grant is better than no rent i I'd make that comment yeah and
and we haven't discussed anybody else's hanger no because we've been paying them for right along we got to get all the contracts first and then we can go from there yeah dominic was renting this flyer too i mean cleaning it out and he
didn't have an airplane in there it was just junk was he paying a buck 50 i don't know what he was that is unknown because when Ken did the rent for him it was all combined into one so I have no
idea think his rent was cuz we've done Dominic's there's two guys down in the other hanger hanger 10 myself and Isabelle's one and whatever one she's got there now that we finally got
um to be signed at what at 150 450 my other wood on the other side yeah and then That's the old That's one of the oldest buildings on the airport no it's the only other building we own
other than this one because we don't own any of the other buildings other than 10 and this one well this one you get afternoon sun in the winter don't you pardon you get afternoon sun in the winter it's all
nothing it's a solid block of ice it's terrible until about uh May yeah may comes through i mean you know like I I still have to shovel mine April 4
and you got nice sunshine on yours though oh yeah but I mean I still have to shovel it because if it doesn't uh if I don't get the ice out of there and snow so who makes the call here i Well I don't know it's up to you guys if you want to i think it's okay some rent is
better than no rent and u it's a compromised space because it's full of gear that uh Is that the airport's gear those teeth belong on the loader and we can't move them and those very old uh wooden benches
who knows i don't know if you put teeth on that load bucket anyway no you don't not for the not for Speaking of that loader that that loader is being used at a fraction let's
first finish this and let's move on to something else uh yes no uh also Joan needs to be signed he came back from somewhere um but um the city is anxious to get these
so uh oh and these are the the the rental ones and then I still have to do the land lease ones which are next those are paid once a year as you know and I will
be doing those um I also want to mention um the person in building five who has a no airplane in there and has a business going that land lease specifically states that you may not have a business
on the airport and you may not use 499 airport road as your business address um they didn't say why that is but that has been in the old lease when we are using the same lease so just be aware when I give that to him he got
model airplanes in there doesn't he it's all personal it's all personal stuff a lot of it I think in Dakota right I know what you're talking about yeah but I wasn't going to say his name yet it's all public record yeah i just you know for people's privacy I don't want to put people's
full names anyway um when I give him his lease that's what it says and he's uh you know he's paying rent he he pays you know 500 a year for the land lease but he has a business in there an ongoing
business and no airplane but is he not renting the hanger as well as the land lease no no because he owns it he owns it oh like you right yep okay so just be aware uh that's a conflict um also
uh budget uh the auditor has told we didn't do we have a vote on she asked all three of us yep four time yeah is it approved or or what do you want to do the only
question I had was with the ethics because everybody else what they pay even down in Hangington is a lot more and the we're giving a discount to person that's being paid by the airport too
it's only $25 less per month right heard right and I'm you know a little over 25 but the um I don't know i mean you hear all the crap that's going on in the state as it is and I don't know i
haven't post that that that hang was available for a certain number of days and to see if there's no tapers other than her then she can have it well that's what I you know I mean I It's not a hanger for retail it's in very poor
shape and it's filled with stuff i understand that and the concrete is all chunked up it's not a retail hanger well both all the hangers over there are that way right
i think your suggestion is fine how long would you want to post it as being available i don't know and where in a local newspaper or where 30 60 days 30 days
i think 30 days would be fine and then if nothing shows up uh go for it we have We have a list at the at the uh city hall right for hangers no we have no list need no list no we don't
have a list of people that are looking for hangers no we used to I haven't found one that was Ken i haven't found one let's put it that way was Ken yeah i' I've been going through some of the babies but I I've just I
haven't gone through many tell you the truth but I've never seen a list anyway so far okay i don't know there used to be a weight list yeah yeah i heard about it but I never Okay
um I don't know how that worked with the guy side of me because when they when the what was the group that was in there um four aces 4 ac right they
uh he got it after that he's quite barely fixing it because of his wings span it's a lot longer let me uh just check posting it's going to I don't know if we have to I don't
even know how you do that an ad or anything like that what happened to all the records we had at the city hall when we had a uh a secretary
uh good question i don't know they I think there there are some there since my was my was the last guy that was cleaning my house and Ken went up and grabbed all the stuff and brought it home in his gym bags and I've got I've
got 10 or 15 gym bags full of papers and boxes and I started going through them but never had any time to finish it you want some boxes to go through no I didn't realize it that happened yeah he grabbed them they were throwing them
away what's the name one of those websites where you get to sell your car your kayak you just go online and list something place i don't know what it's I don't know for aviation i don't know
so if somebody wants to get on a waiting list for hanging out where do they go to us or they go to city i would say they'd call her but I don't know i get people occasionally ask me and I don't know of anything either other
than if that one would be but I don't know if anybody Okay can we move on yeah we're talking about 25 bucks here yeah really yeah but it's ridiculous that's ridiculous i will ask a question
okay and with the you know my only concern is if if this comes back blows back at us we talk to the city solicitor before we make okay okay budget review the auditor has said to me do not spend any more money
that means our budget is mostly depleted and whatever comes up now would be uh emergencies and uh the mayor's letter a couple months ago
said due to the um low funds that the city has in their general fund till the end of June which is the end of the fiscal year we uh can only spend money on very
essential expenses and um that means us now our gate has just broken and that's pretty essential so we're going to have to um the uh we're
going to have to have that fixed we have some emergency money in our gift account that we're probably going to have to use for that i don't know how much that's going to cost it's not the um it's the an electronic problem it is
not a uh it's not the motor so hopefully it's not too much i'll be I'll get some um quotes and see how much that's going to cost and try to get fixed right away so where's this admonition coming from for don't spend any money mayor the mayor the mayor they put a health out
freeze throughout the city the general throughout the city the general fund is depleted they have a general fund for when you go over for instance DPW you know they use excess in you know in bad winters and has to be taken out
of the fund and so forth so this year their general fund is depleted so everybody everybody was told you know the school DPW everybody was told they got all this tax revenue flowing in and
uh they don't have any money something about contractors and spending and whatever happened last year i don't know i don't know the details but it came from the mayor and it said only very essential expenses and our budget being pretty
flat and um begin with uh we we don't have any money to begin with so very essential we're going to have to get the gate fixed but that's really that's really it that's all we have until the end of June so just to let everybody know that's
what the author has told me we're spending uh and uh the gate is manual open and close so if you're coming in you open it and you must make sure you close it when you leave i'll try to get it fixed as soon as possible the fuel tank has 1563
gallons left so um you know next month or May hopefully we can get more for the for the flying season uh also life flight is here hopefully instead of um whenever they need to come in and
meet the uh ambulance are they going to need housing no a hanger no just they coming over they do the pickup like they used to do at the mouth yeah they do the pickup and they head to uh that
center wherever yep and uh they've come up here and to do some drive rounds they've been here uh several times um Jim and Dominic fixed the man gate because that wasn't working quite right so they can come and go cleaned it up
really good cleaned it up yeah i think it must got water in there or whatever hasn't been hadn't been maintained in a while um that's it any questions ain't new business the
um I'm not sure how this works on the budget you guys might be a little more familiar with it than I am if we don't spend what's allotted to us do we lose it i have to encumber it into encumbered
account numbers and then it gets rolled over if I don't move it into encumbered accounts we will lose it so what John and I do is we figure out what what if anything is left we encumber it and then
it rolls over for the next year there isn't much left anyway but you know whatever we have left well it five or six accounts that we have more that we have to cuz it's all
electric and all the all the expense accounts and all the electric you should have you should have an you should have a what are the list of the accounts chart of accounts that we have the energy and utilities which is temple
light and water um we don't have water but temple light so to encumber something is to burden or restrict something in such a way that action or movement is difficult who gets to uh determine whether action can be uh it's directed
towards these funds once they're encumbered it's basically just uh say we have $250 left before June 30th i write out a transfer that says I want to encumber this money i want to use it next year we move it into an account
that John has assigned as a holding place a restricted account until further notice or something yep and then next year we can use it if we don't do that it it goes away we did it last year
yeah they cut our budget anyhow so yeah uh Templeton the energy account I asked for more money this year and they are carrying that for us until the end of
June yeah what I want to do is find out you know I was trying to get a feel for how much we're spending on the new lamps compared to the old in electric and the current flow yeah what do we spend every month on electric given that they're
LEDs I would suspect that it's a lower number right that's a good question that's what I'm asking you bet your ass that's what it would be well you can have lower number but we got more lights wow the other thing is we have a heat pump that runs
out there that keeps it warm and cool that's got nothing to do with lights yes it does it's heating the lights yes it's heating the vault building which they have to maintain a month temperature it also has a air conditioning unit so that those new
transformers don't get overheated well that's no reflection on the lights these LED much less current flow well yeah but the it's still there still 220 and they uh have to cut it down at
the That's why there's the way it was explained to me that comes into it cuz you need the 220 to get the overcome the resistance to the distance getting into all the lights and then they regulate it by going through
one block cutting it down the voltage down so that they can run it on LEDs and then goes into the LED transformer from there that's what the two circuit boards are one does sort of cut down the other one does I believe I don't know I'm just
summarizing one the way I was very and theoretically it's supposed to be less but you need a massive amount of voltage to get the distance out of it I believe that's why you have high lines at the top of the pole and transformers
throughout the city that cut it down till house drops and uh same thing And no I'm just trying to get a feel for what the budget is i have no idea how much we spend on everything and that's what my goal was before was to figure
out how much do we spend on this and like the John Deere tractor needs oil change filter all that sort of stuff the gearbox for the gang law the uh blades
now for the bush hog um she was going to talking about making flying blades but another set of blades for the zeroturn and uh I don't know we got you know various
small equipment that we use the weed whacker and all that sort of stuff for doing the clearing a brush and cleaning stuff up um well I don't know how it's handled now but in the past we always had uh on
our monthly meeting we had vouchers for all the expenses that we had and we reviewed it and then we signed okay to pay right now we don't see any of those bills this year is different only very essential expenses some of that stuff is
not essential so there's nothing I can do about it until the end of June only emergencies we have no money left what I'm getting at we as the commission will not receive these bills so we don't know
where the money's going we've only got a couple of bills and during the month anyway temple in white water that's all we have yeah right for the whole year we haven't seen any boats we don't know where the money's going you're telling us a lot of money but we
don't know where the money was spent our meeting in July you told me I asked you how much money we have and you said we you said we have no money in January we gave you the detail of all the budget which you asked for and questions you
didn't have one question about it we had a large bill from an electrician from the pri prior year that you did not pay i did not see it that came on to our our bill for this year so that's I have never seen any
bills never i've been here three years i've never seen a bill from anybody question so when you say you haven't seen any bill you haven't seen anything from what once was Hulu which
is now half right you haven't seen one fuel bill from that nope you haven't seen any the only one I get and I have to go to the auditor to get it is the fuel and they drop off fuel for the 100
lid when that comes in and we sit down and figure out what we want to charge cuz we can't get a price on it before we buy it until after and that's the only one I see i have never seen any other bills so when you
go to Hafner's to get fuel you've done that correct yes you don't sign a paper or get a receipt i sign it off cuz it goes onto a card okay what happens to the receipt that you get you don't get a receipt it goes to city hall and city
hall pays it so city hall has It's like a credit card yeah so I guess all the receipts have gone to city hall i've never seen a receipt that what I'm what I'm hearing said is that at some point in the past the commission
had the responsibility of uh agreeing to and blessing the expenditures that occurred at this airport and that is no longer the situation that is no longer the situation christine took care of that and who's
Christine she was in the human resources department and they tasked her with paying the bills for the golf golf course they city hall the mayor the mayor tasked so they with paying golf course the it is it fair to say that
they have to some degree stripped this commission airport commission from any authority uh yes but before you get too excited about it our budget is like this I'm not excited I'm just making a comment there's nothing in it you know
if we give a about you know being on top of what's taking place here and at some point in the past and if it's written in the bylaws that the commission should be calling the shots as to whether this or that gets purchased that appears as though based
on what I'm hearing that that's been taken away from the commission right maybe that should be an issue that bring gets brought up sure yeah bring it up bring it up I've asked for I'll print out the list of the
detail of every account number and I'll give it to you the next time you can take a look i gave it to Jim the last time i have not I've never seen it only thing I've seen was the account record that you gave me in January that had no detail in it i never saw anything after
i gave you the detail i have never seen I sent it to you so are you saying that you're the intermediate intermediary between Christine and and the commissioner well Christine went out on a medical the flow of information no her her job got she got reallocitated and
that's when you said you were going to take over the I didn't want it well I know you could do it so nobody else at city hall could So are you now are you now approving these expenditures i don't approve it the mayor approves it goes to
the mayor well you know I'm I'm just asking questions that are flowing from this i have never seen I'm just processing it and I don't any of the because my take on it is that the bills are supposed to come through us have uh have
there been any expenditures that the commission is at odds with and would otherwise have maybe refused to bless i can't say because I' never seen anything literally the regular operating expenses
have never been I've never seen you said that a couple times i've heard it and I have asked so how do we fix the problem it's not a problem city Hall pays the
bills uh take it up take it up with the mayor the way I the way I had the way I uh I learned what you learned from Kenny and then while Kenny was still alive we ended up what was the secretary
before Christine oh we had several of them but she Sue Sue Sumat Sum was she'd come to the meetings right and do the minutes and do everything for Kenny right and I her and Kenny would I don't
know what was going on there and And as soon as I got on the commission and Kenny stopped he didn't say anything to me about her well Sue well Sue uh and Sue had done shortly thereafter that and
that's when Christine came in yeah she was asking but I did not know you know I've never seen anything that was out of J you've said that three or four times already in this brief section
of our conversation i I don't know and my my assumption was that the commissioner is the one who runs the airport and approves the bills and no not anymore apparently city hall by state law in federal
law I believe well I just pull up all those laws and all that good stuff and look through i'm just going by what I was told i'm not a member so I I'm just sitting here as a public person but I'm you should have a
reason where if they're not giving it to anybody after you like when you've gone to like she knows it okay so when you've gone to the auto part store or gone up to Hafers or something to get fuel uh you get a receipt from them they give you one and have that hand and I turn it
into her so that she can take it to city hall so I know when they let you know pass all those then that's the only one I know the only ones that I do and I was told by you that that's not the way we do things what the airport manager
that's you right yes uh approving these expenditures no the mayor is the mayor i wouldn't think you'd have a a grasp as to and the auditor the auditor yeah have any expenditures been made that this
commission would probably take odds with have it basic utilities exactly so need to make a trip to the city hall yeah there you go good time for that right Andy
okay i can go and get the audit would have everything you think well the question could be raised that's for sure i think I've heard enough about that subject no let's talk about it some more
okay what else J no that's all I have is somebody has something new they want to talk about right now we u we've got an I I I gave you guys a copy of the list of stuff that maintenance items
that we have i didn't bring it with me tonight i forgot it at home i gave it to you back in November December i think it was something like that somewhere around there everything I could think of you know like this doors down in the new hanger got to
have pan a couple panels replaced the um what was the other i can't think of all the things i had like a dozen items on it and there were things that uh oil grease who paid for this
expenditure here this nice upgrade to this little space here co paid what does that mean federal CO relief fund and all the meaning upgrade we've got you know the maintenance items they want
to get paint the building and the trim has to be repaired and things like that that have to be done that's not essential and that's probably going to run into next fiscal year as well all this stuff is going to be I wouldn't be talking about maintenance
items when we're we can only have very essential emergency expenditures right now well everything's going to be broken in the end anyhow so we have to be careful but uh the um we have to take care of the
equipment we have to Yeah we should because otherwise it's going to be Okay so let's move on you want to move almost nerd okay yeah we can i have nothing more unless somebody else has a
question or comment i got one question sure you chair members right why don't you all get up together and figure out or at least a few of you that have time on your hands figure out
that if something happens to Jim tomorrow god forbid who's going to know what he does it seems like there's nobody that's We are in the forum sure if you want to talk about it can can I finish because you can't do no more than
right now I can meet with one of the perks one other commissioner without violating the open meeting law okay it's not nothing on what we're it's already what we discussed but when you work behind this the the the uh behind when the camera's off and you're doing your
thing it's like Kenny when no Kenny gave up and gave it to you you told him he he he had bags of papers and stuff but he didn't no he the the everything has to be presented at an open meeting sure I
understand that period but find receipts and stuff why can't you like hey if something happens to me tomorrow Andy me and Jim u you know this is what's going to have to do this is what we're going to have to do does anybody know who they're going to call or or other things
that we've done maybe the airport manager does but it sounds like everybody's kind of like "Yeah we're just gonna have to discuss this anytime there's more than uh if I meet with two other people we have to post it two days ahead of time
we have to take minutes we have to record." Okay i mean it sounds like somebody's going to you know feel and that's what we're doing right now okay and that's what why I brought it up okay because it has to be posted in open
meeting and everybody is watching it now and everybody is um who's everybody Jimbody members that watches YouTube that watches this maybe it's up to 152 I don't know about that I don't know
but I'm just saying that's the law yeah no I I I get I'm just saying maybe maybe I didn't say oh we're doing it now fine you're doing it now but It sounds like it hasn't done the past maybe has i don't know i haven't knew all the stuff
I did two weeks ago we had training on the open meeting okay and that is posted and review go through and watch that it was an hour and a half yeah sure it was painful and it was rapid and I want to
look at it again but they said that the uh it is illegal and violates the open meeting law if we have more than if we have a quorum and we don't a post it 48 hours in advance and record
it and have take minutes and everything in it i would love to be able to do that but trying to get everybody together I'm barely making a quorum now and that you know but the discussion
has to I've been asking for information and I see I see bits and pieces here and there but if that if I do it that's the only thing I do if I do something I see it because obviously there's a lot more going
moment and I try and give everybody a copy of everything I get when I get and Gail and all that sort of stuff and it's not until recently that I have been able to figure out how to move around and get
the logical sequence of things for the 20-year plan the airport layout and all that sort of stuff and get how this all this stuff is connected with the environmental assessment the obstruction survey and all that sort of stuff that
has to be done the what is it a flight check and all that with the uh that they did two weeks ago uh it's a damn good thing this is an international airport huh the the laws the laws are in place for a
reason and they have to be applied and most of the money that we are spending has been the fuel tax money that we pay that's what fuel prices are signed at you know and that's where our money comes from were all eligible for that
money at public use public supported imp and the they require engineering and they require oversight
and confirmation of stuff like the uh uh e what do they call it the EV the fund that uh if I don't look at it I can't remember you know they say the city city hall is paying all the bills right and
we're not seeing it why city hall pay this bill why are we why do we have to vote on it because we have to vote I have to get a vote on it so that I can send it to what makes this bill any different than any other bill
you see it This one we see the other ones we don't yeah it's the uh that televa they got $4,000 for the if independent fee survey
they have to they have to check their survey and we went around loops on that too that was a very well a lot more involved than I've ever been until because they came in the they would kind of apples and
oranges because I guess there's two ways they can uh the way the project comes and what it involves with the when they're doing the assessment on the uh lights and all that
sort of stuff the uh for the obstruction stuff and there was it's a brand new because we had size of the runway was changed and that may trigger all kinds of extra work from Gail so the they took
and I had to call this televolta down there cuz they were the second company first company we sent it out they never got back to us well was getting up approaching the deadline so he called this this telev and they have worked with Gail
before and I sent the worksheet that Gail blank worksheet down to them and the I forget what there's one other
document going with it that was describing what was being done once that was filed They sent back a quote well their quote was substantially less we had to be
within 10% their quote originally was a lot lower than what Gail was charging but then they we had to I talked with Gail and this VA and myself on a Zoom call and we found out that they were
doing a bridge version of the because they assumed it was just a repavement of the runway they didn't trigger all these other steps that Gail had to go through to get to where they were you know they
were triggering on the the environmental assessment it triggers the environmental assessment and the new obstruction survey so they went back and they figured they came in actually higher than the revised what Gail came in but
it was within the 10% so we everybody agreed and that's by how we can move it forward and we had about a week uh not even a week to make that decision and that's where the problem comes in so my question to you is it
sounds to me that Kenny when he was in your position was overwhelmed with the stuff they had to do that's why he had the help from that secretary or whoever she was yeah but he got seen the bills though true i'm not talking about bills
i'm talking about the position period cuz you just told me that you can't have somebody else unless you have a public forum well Kenny had that lady well we didn't have the open meeting Laura until I don't know when that came i have a clue about that i don't
got if you're being overwhelmed in your position because you told him I don't have time to find this maybe you should have a an assistant chair to help a manager we never had an airport we haven't had an airport manager in years i know kenny
was the airport manager he was certified he was certified but the I thought that was a conflict of interest being the chair plus the airport acting airport manager but what was Kevin McCall he was acting airport manager what's that kevin
was the airport yeah he was the Echo Evansville he just said Kenny was so I mean I don't know well and then Kenny ran the show yeah basically so so wasn't Rudy rudy's been dead since 95 i know
you go back to that wo and then theeludy anyway that's all I'm saying rudy all right i'd like to suggest that we wrap this meeting up i think we're just I think so almost bullshitting here and
no four times i like to hear things once not three times so you want to have another meeting this month or you want to have multiple in a month we can have as many meetings as we want oh really you know
that i'm just a bystanders no but we can have as many meetings as we need and if we want to discuss specific issues we can do that but they have to be done in an open meeting that would be entertain yeah you said that already we heard it
is there any more uh business for today and tonight's meeting Jim no so I'd like to move that maybe we adjourn what do you think of that idea yep second and uh if I were sitting in your position
and I was concerned about this decision making regarding the expenditures I'd have a conversation with the people uptown houses