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We are on the air and recording at 10:09. >> Yeah, this is a special meeting of the Fwood Commission. We We're meeting to discuss the Boston RC Jet Club. There you go.

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>> Which is finally what I was looking for. The name that works. Okay. Um, we had a a couple of questions. The whole harm list was number five. That was the only thing I was trying to I didn't know how to word it and add it. So, I may take some of the language that

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you gave me on that piece of paper. >> Okay. and put that in right around where the um old agreement is statement is >> I mean advance I mean uh

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the uh where is it >> not sure I understand the question >> no we we wanted brought it to my attention and I sent it out but I didn't have any idea how to word with the additionally insured.

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>> I was going to put it in with the statement initially insured and then uh I'm going to copy some of the whole analous statement to put it on. >> Jim question. >> Yeah. >> So you're discussing you said number five and you

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>> number No, it was number five on his piece of paper. I said answered my question. >> So this is about the Boston ASI Jet Club shall maintain insurance da da da. That's what you're discussing. Well, but we're down actually on the second page. The uh

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Boston IC club shall maintain insurance to have. That's >> that that that and we're going to add in a the home handler statement. I got to do that when I see the paperback and I'll uh add that into that right in that location there. Okay. Get your approval.

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Well, that's all right. She can finish. Let her read it. Then the the other thing uh the question I had was on the notice. Um how soon should the noted be posted

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before um they come? First of all I think the notm has to be remember I told you on the runway back then we were plowing that airport manager has to do the note. not you just the airport manager is the only one

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authorized to post notems uh based on a discussion I had with mass dot on Monday so just call me and I'll post it >> before if you can do it 24 hours in advance that would be >> the question I was looking for was if

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it's 24 hours in advance or some time frame that would make sense to people are going to start looking at should read their notes before they take off. And there aren't many guys that would

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be coming in from a long ways away without >> I've had no notes come into while I was flying to the airports. I But I understand what you're saying, Joe. But I think if she's told 24 hours in advance and it says at 10:00 on Saturday the 12th we're going to fly, then she

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can do it whenever she thinks she needs to put it in. I guess I mean she's the one calling her in. I'm just saying. >> Wow. Yeah. What does the airport manager think there should be in the in terms of a a time buffer prior to the event? >> 24 hours. >> 24 hours.

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>> Yeah, just text. >> Yeah, was pretty specific. They do not want other people because that way the person overseeing doesn't see everything from a large picture. So I am the only

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one that can posts at this time based on mascots. >> You do federal. >> Yeah. >> You call federal. >> Yes. >> He uh >> Yes. >> That's changing by the way.

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>> Yeah. You will not be able to post note for MIT any anymore. >> That's changing. >> Just to let you know. >> Why are they what's changing now? They both mascot has told me that neither am I to that's a different discussion.

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>> I know that's why I say point of clarification is about when we ask for the note can we do it in terms of like can we say like hey can we have it from Friday to Sunday or do you want like every single day like individual >> so we need to blanket it >> you can blanket it you can put them

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ahead of time. >> Yeah. Cool. Awesome. >> You can cancel them. >> Cool. >> Yeah. uh you know for rain or whatever. Yeah. >> Cancel. >> If we were to tell you on a weekend like let's say we said on Saturday we want to fly on Sunday that would be giving you a

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message on a weekend. Is that a problem for you? >> Okay. So otherwise we could just tell you earlier but I want to just be conscious about needing your time when you're not you know. >> Yeah. I'm just thinking of other pilots.

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Um, you know, we don't necessarily need to have 24 hours in advance, but other pilots would probably like that information. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> And several days in advance, it also be okay. If we looked at the weather and we said, "Okay, it's a nice weekend. We

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know we're going to come." >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. And then you can plan your event. So, >> okay. Awesome. >> And we have to uh and I'm in there with my grandma. >> They have kind of they they usually are pretty good. They're uh at least about a

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week ahead. Usually we we find out like uh Friday they were talking about the end of this week type of thing. Okay. And that here again is okay. On the dumpster >> dumpster not dumpster container. Yeah.

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Sorry. >> Where we want to put >> trash. No >> question. >> Yes. What size container is this? 20, 40, >> whatever you guys allow us to have basically. U I mean 20 sounds good to us. We don't need anything too crazy,

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but um you know, obvious it was just a >> I'm not opposed on the container. I was just curious what size >> we hadn't figured one out. We just wanted something for onsite storage for some equipment. >> 40 over 20 push sh.

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more for like um like the tables that we would use to set the airplanes up on, chairs, uh >> cones and stuff that we can sort of section like the little parking area off so people don't pass the flight line when we don't want to and things like that. >> Okay. Will you be storing any fuel in there?

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>> Um if you allow us to. If not, it's not a big deal. >> Not sure. We'll have to >> check on that. >> That's not critical. I mean, >> it's probably it's probably okay, but >> one of those jets burned for fuel. The

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jets run kerosene or diesel or jet A. >> J. >> So, depends what engine somebody has, >> even though they're microscopic in size. Huh. >> 100%. Yeah. Mine personally run JA or kerosene. So, but there are some folks

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their engines are they run diesel and not all allow them to run diesel, but some do. We'll have, you know, approved canisters that from AMA that we keep our fuel in. >> Yeah, >> I think there's a size on when you have

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to have a permit. I don't think they go after 5 gallon cans, but I think it's I don't know. >> Yeah, I think it's probably okay. >> Cool. >> Do you guys deal with Granger or anything like that? Or you can even find them on marketplace? They make these yellow combustible

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metal containers. It's like a It's like a locker. Oh, right. Right. The safe containers. >> We've got one at the prison that we use. We put uh I think you can put up to I think they put up to like 15 or 20 gallons that you can fit in. I forget exactly how many five gallon cans they put in there.

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>> Sure. Sure. >> Cuz we got to refill anyway. >> Yeah. >> You can go get one of those anyway. I'm sure you probably found one marketplace. It's made specifically for it's marked yellow and it says flammable and all this other good stuff on it. And if you really want to get crazy, put a 1993

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triangle I mean a square on it >> like an ocean thing to call it >> fuel storage that's less critical for us historically people travel to their field and leave the field with their fuel whatever it was that they have

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whether or not it's kerosene jet A or it's pump gas for their gas powered airplanes they almost never left on site but certainly with the storage container if that was allowed we could but it's not required >> not critical okay spill kit spill kit >> as part of your um

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>> we would totally get one. Yeah, >> we have the spill kit in the barrel with the pump >> and if you get um >> so they're in jugs with dispensing pumps on them. They're hand operated. Usually

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some are electric powered. The spills are it's actually very hard to spill because of the fittings that are used and so forth. That's it would be very rare. >> Okay. We had a guy a couple weeks ago. He was filling a five gallon jug and I said, "Be careful. It comes out very

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fast on on our on our hose." >> And he was talking and it it went all over his face, his glasses, his hair, all down the front. >> And we just came in here and he soaked up, you know, with the water the sink in there.

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>> So if you get any in your eyes, uh, if you can come in. >> I have a fuel jug with me for pump gas for the planes. It's in my car. I could actually show you that kind of chug it is just so you understand. Um it's yeah we we wouldn't normally be carrying a

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large container of fuel and then needing to pour it into another container where you get such a spill. It's already we've already done that at home for instance. >> Oh okay. >> Then it's in a trans it's in a container safe for transport which we then use to fill the model. Anyway, if you're

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interested in seeing what that I can certainly show you. >> That was the whole idea behind allowing a container. That's your problem, not mine. >> Just letting you know it's the likelihood of >> if something happens and it burns out or it's on fire

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>> then the obviously we would need the fire department. >> So that's the next question. So yeah, the besides the individual fire extinguishers that we all have to have, the contain the the idea behind the container would be to have a club fire extinguisher as well as a big one. Uh a

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medical emergency kit and a spill kit. So this stuff that we can keep on safe >> just in case. You probably won't use it, but just in case. >> There's a big one here. There's a big one here. There's a big one at the fuel tank. And way down at the end of number 10, if you happen to be way down at that

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end, there's a small one on the end of the building. >> Oh, very good. >> Yeah. >> Question on fire extinguishers. >> Sure. >> The ABCs are fine. >> We use CO2. Just going to say because it's so corrosive it's going to ruin the chest. >> So, yeah, we specifically

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>> I purchased two of those from the guy in town. They're a bit pricey. >> What's ABC? >> ABC does electrical. It does version. >> It's your typical typical drying

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50 bucks a CO2 >> so you don't ruin your non machine. >> Shall we go back to maybe selecting location? >> Yes, >> sure, Jim. Um, I would like it in a place in the back where it's not seen.

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So, coming in from the road, this is our, you know, this is our view. >> They would like it handy. I didn't check with Kevin. I haven't seen him lately, but uh, they wanted to know if they could put it near Kevin's hanger or I

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thought of just in front of where my MIT was. Oh, >> but you know, I mean, everybody's They can look at it or they're I don't know. It's I'm just It's up to you guys. That's why I'm asking the question.

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>> Just suggesting where Phil is here. >> No, they're going to be up here on the north because of the water, >> huh? Um it's hopefully at some point. Yeah.

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>> My preference would be over by >> if not in at the front entrance. >> Um do you have a preference on where you want us to fly the US on the end? I would assume you guys want to keep us in some >> This thing here location speaks like you

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guys operating at the north end. >> Right. Right. So that's where I was I was assuming we were going to be that way. I figured the container closer to the pit would be a little more convenient for everybody, but again, we're flexible. So >> yeah, I just don't want it to be right

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on the main road, seeing from the main road. >> Sure. >> Because once we get one container, other people will be asking us for containers. And my thought was to keep it neat and have a couple in the same place. If if that happens to happen, you know,

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>> they have to be as specific on their own to question you, Isabelle. Devil's advocate, I guess. Uh I mean, MIT's got two stacked out in the out in the field. What's his name? He's got that big old tanker up there. It's about the length

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of a container. MIT's got I mean, if you put it I mean, I know what these guys are talking about >> inside the fence next to Kevin. What I was going to do was just in front of >> somewhere in front of or even closer to

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Kevin's I don't know what his what he's paying for for rent where and what the property pl uh footing uh footprint of his rent >> wins. I was going to buy that building back in 1996.

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He's got property outside of the outside of the airport. >> Yeah, but I'm just talking about just the >> footprint of that that building is what he's paying off. >> Yeah. Well, what I was >> I understand what you're saying, >> but what my thought was that by being inside the hanger if anything happens

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there. >> Isabelle, you want to look at this? >> The uh cuz the MIT trailer is is probably right about here. Yeah, we'll call MIT's about there. Sure. MIT I was saying right in here somewhere

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>> because they're setting up basically on this old road right here is where we want to have the cuz there's pavement there that they could set them up and maybe even test run them a little bit >> but it's on the opposite side of the swale this is what I was going for and

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>> you wanted to put the container out here somewhere >> no I wanted to put it right right in here this area here and I didn't have the map with me when I >> Oh why why don't we do one better than that Jim Cuz >> Kevin doesn't own this pavement. >> Well, yeah, but I the the other place I

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don't know exactly where they where did you guys thinking about it when you were looking at Kevin's building. Oh, >> did you want it? >> Somewhere inside the fence. >> Anywhere inside the fence in anywhere in this region would be perfectly fine for us. Yeah, because uh

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>> I know you know we can set it on the pavement here probably on the >> if you set it up like this way doors here on the pavement and they you know >> I would put a couple

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>> put two lengthwise where the doors are here and the back two lengthwise two lengthwise and then one here and So it's one of those rusted up bottom of that in the dirt. >> What do you think?

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>> You can get them anywhere. >> Yeah. >> I didn't share with your There's a >> This is >> Yeah. Well, the loading dock is here. And that's below. And the fence inside the fence. >> And the fence is

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>> fence is like this. >> Yeah. You can see the fence right there. Put it there. >> Well, it's we want it inside the fence. But what I was thinking is if something ever happened there, there would be access from the outside of the fence. Like fire department came down, they could hit it quickly.

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>> Whereas or if there was an emergency, I don't know. I just look at things um being handy. But it's it's a I don't we got to think about snow plowing too. >> That's the other thing. >> So, but you don't plow over the fence. >> But I don't plow over the fence.

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>> But all right. Well, I don't know. Whatever. Whatever we decide here, I guess. >> That's why snow plowing. >> Yeah. >> Off the fence. What? >> That's why we That's the Oh, that's the other thing, too, cuz you guys flying away, too.

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Yeah, I mean we we have no problem shoveling to the container ourselves. We can take care of that >> around the container. Yeah, >> to plow to it, which is fine. >> Well, anyway, that's >> I I thought suggestion here was you'd be on the pavement. You can open the doors. We plow right back.

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>> Certainly ideal. It's up to whatever you decide. >> There's kind of a swell off the edge of the pavement on this side on the end of the pavement. It is mostly smooth though. Um,

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>> where do you suggest Isabelle? >> What's the location talking about here, Jim? >> Kevin's hanger. >> This is here. >> Y just inside the fence. >> I was thinking he wants to put it

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up on the probably they're all one color. They look decent. They don't look like this. This is the There's a swale here that takes the water from the ramp and puts

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it into a strong and that goes down to >> here. So, we're making a decision about that. Well, we're just trying to make a decision. >> But she doesn't want to look at it. >> She doesn't want to look at it. Look at

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what the container. >> It'll be a nice container. I'm sure you guys won't >> put a giant pile. >> She's discussing the tail right now. >> It's in front of that tanker. It's just like giant pile of snow because we push

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it all back there. But yeah, along that edge, closer to Evans than MIT, so that would be fine. Perfect. >> So, we can go out there and macro the tone if and when the time comes down so they know exactly where to put it. >> That's great. >> It's not like it can't be moved.

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>> Well, if we have to. >> They weigh 8,000 lbs. Empty. >> Yeah, >> they're heavy. >> Why do you guys have a loader that could >> No. No. Okay. >> I don't know how they move. I know >> there's a special trailer. I know Kevin I mean uh Ken has moved those two out

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there a couple of times. >> Yeah. >> And uh he he he actually put them over here by for a while and MIT needed him back because they were using them for target practice.

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>> All right. So are we in agreement on container size where it's going to be? >> Is that what we just did right I know. >> Yeah. >> And plus, it's nice, too, cuz it's in defense, so it's a little more secure. >> The whole idea of purchasing a a first run,

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>> it'll look beautiful. >> Okay. >> So, Isabelle, that's a yes to you. Dave, >> I just want somebody to point this spot out here. >> Yeah. >> Which spot are we talking about, Jim? >> Right at the corner. Is that what we're

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talking to >> on the tarmac? off the tarmac. >> This is >> that corner. >> Is it by the corner or midsection or somewhere? Anywhere around in that area? >> More or less. It would be in this area

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here on the pavement or the brand new so it looks good. Don't look like hell. on the pavement or off. >> Put it off the pavement. >> Depend on how it's beautiful.

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>> So, we'll have to go up there and just look at it after. >> I'm not sure if >> this is not scale, but >> this is >> we don't have the size of so you don't know >> how much of a footprint it's actually. I

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think what you just after go out there and look at that spot and say and >> I mean I could care less if it's on the pavement to be honest with you plow straight past it >> that's not a problem. Yeah, but where where if it's down in a swale

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uh if that's not a green just walk up there look at it. >> It's not a big deal because we have anything else >> 2.5 million

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What's next? >> I don't know what the uh detention pond. That's the one right on the other side. >> Um, anybody got any other questions? >> Just remember to

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So, what we just agreed on here is the club can put a container on the field. >> Yeah, >> they can put on a flammable separate container to put their jugs in if they need it to be. It's away from the container. >> Well, it can be pirate. I mean, I don't think it is separate.

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>> It's all there. >> Sure. >> Well, the flammable container inside the >> outside. >> You want it outside? >> You have to have it outside. >> Oh, >> yes. If you have that's where I said the quantities come in. >> Yeah. Well, that's a like I I work in prison in the trap. They have the same

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thing. >> I have a similar one at my house that I put it outside. So, it's all that stuff's up to us. >> So, they're separate containers. >> Yes. And it's not big. It's it's it's probably as big as this this shelf right here. It might go as high as the toaster or whatever that thing is. >> And those are like waterproof and what?

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>> Oh, yeah. They're sealed. So, I mean, if there any fire and then it, you know, it it won't, you know, have a bad day. >> Sure. You just ground it. Uh >> spill kit you're going to purchase. Also, uh >> CO2 fire extinguishers you're going to

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purchase. Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. Anything else, Jim? >> No, I have nothing. >> Yeah. What about the on the days that MIT is here? That's not in this agreement. >> I thought I had something in there. didn't the uh

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>> just on day there will be no activity on days where MIT is resident at the airport because this week they were here they were over here they were over there they were in the tie down ramp >> and they can't run their drones and do their thing uh with a bunch of party

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animals going on flying toys >> they were down the taxi way >> I agree with that idea >> so that is that something we can arrange >> what do you guys problem with you. You just tell us if we're a go or not. That's how I

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>> That's a good idea. >> That's what I was going to say. That's kind of why I left it open that way because >> that way it leaves us out of the equation having the community or anything else. >> Yeah. >> Somebody has to coordinate. You understand what they just said? >> I do. >> Okay. >> No. So, since I'm doing the notam, I

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should know when MIT is coming off the office. Their notm by the way will >> they're no chance >> will cover MIT's not covers them if not there no if it's during the day during the week cuz theirs are are a lot of

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they're being aware when MIT shows up here. >> Yes. >> Um >> or >> no they're telling Jim but they need to start telling me because I have to do the not >> but they're their autom posted for like four months at a time. Five months. >> Okay. So that's not going to work. Well,

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they have to call me and tell me when they're coming. >> Phone call sounds like the right way. >> Phone call and then I can let you know. >> Sure. >> Because you're probably planning, you know, next week we're going to do this, you know. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, weekend guys mostly.

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>> Weekend. Okay. >> I mean, seldom vacation that we get from work. >> I mean, the option is good so that we could take the time off. I'll tell you before advance if like hey we have this week off is it possible fine if not maybe you can just narrow it down

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whatever day >> yeah we can try it and see if it works for you know >> on the evenings they're usually like I say they're 9 to 4 the normal is what they post you look at the normal line >> that's right they're usually gone by 4

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>> usually gone by 4 so you would have to that's why specifically um I put in about the note to call because it needs to be up enough so that the pilots coming into the area, if they were using this for fuel stop, >> y

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>> they they need to know that we're we've got traffic, UAV traffic, and the word wording on it is almost identical to the wording that MIT uses cuz they're UAVs. >> Now, will you check for FOD on your way

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out? So, after a day of flying, we you know, check. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, so in terms of like controlling everything too, I was thinking about >> how what's the best way so that you guys know when we're here and who's here

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>> like so that we can avoid anyone coming here claiming they're us and then they're not and causing a problem. So, you know, I was, you know, we were going to make some ID badges just for our club members in case you're here and you say, "Hey, who are you? We're Boston Jet Club." Okay.

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>> Okay. and then give you an updated list of the actual current members and their their AMA numbers and maybe we could do >> the question is are you going to clean up after the one of these events? That's the question. >> Of course. >> Yes. >> And and you're always going to be inside the fence like these guys today are

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outside the fence inside. Okay. So your guys are going all inside all inside the fence. You're not going to be outside the fence. >> Also rare for us to actually have debris, but if absolutely if that occurs, we'll clean that up. It's not an Irish or >> you can't you can't control uh the

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actions of the people that come by to watch you guys play play with these uh and if there if somebody throws his milkshaker on the ground and the straw is hanging out of it uh that becomes your responsibility right

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>> so if any of us are here that would be our responsibility >> doing that while they're watching the show >> well >> well we're not here to put a show on for Whoever comes to the outside we're not Yeah. We're just here to

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establish a connection with you guys, you know. >> Okay. >> Question. How many members do you have in your club? >> Uh five. >> Five. >> Our plan is to cap it uh initially so like for at least the first year to at

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the maximum of 10. >> Okay. We probably wouldn't even get that close, but um only because a we want to control it and learn it and be responsible so that we build a rapport with you guys to make sure you guys like it, you know. Oh, >> absolutely. >> So, you know, we don't want to overwhelm anyone. We don't want to be overwhelmed.

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We just want to have a good responsible fun time. So, >> yeah. >> People that we trust that we know. So, >> sounds good. And I'll run this by the insurance just to make sure there's nothing else that they need. Is that okay?

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>> Totally. I mean, that's what AMA gives us, but I can probably get more if we needed to. >> I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure that's probably >> That's a lot. So, all right. I'm just going to run it by Sure. and >> and then Okay. Hey. Uh, I have a

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question. Jim, you ready? >> Yep. >> In times past, not very often, but over the last 3, four, five years, there have been events on this field where they're flying jets up and down over the runway and hundreds of people show up. Right.

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>> That's been more than eight years since that's happened. But yes, >> I don't think it's been more than eight years, but regardless, it happened. And uh what would prevent a bunch of people from the local vicinity decide to show

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up to watch these guys do their thing? I mean anything in particular or >> how does that differ from what has happened in the past eight years ago according >> because that was an organized event the fence was open so that people could come on the inside the fence is closing

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>> people would be on the outside. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We'll keep them on the outside. Yeah. >> Well, they Yeah. When they're when they're here doing their thing, they'll be on the outside. >> That particular thing you're talking about had been advertised for years and

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all the magazines, the online forums. So, people from all around New England would show up just for that. >> And is it 8 years since it last happened? >> Honestly, don't remember the last time. >> Uh, it was prior to co >> Yeah, I would say 18 was the last year. Yeah,

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>> that's not what we're talking about doing. I get it. I get it. >> But the uh No, those events and when they like when they have an air show here, >> they have had air show sometimes. You know, the fences are all opened up and

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everybody we have to have securityurities and everything like that. There's a whole host of things that go with it. So, very good. So, >> we have one of those once a year. >> Um, I mean, initially, no. Um, only

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none. We're just >> So, right now it's for you guys. >> Yep. We're just learning to learning the system, learning to again, we're just trying to be good neighbors, you know. What about >> uh we didn't talk about fees. >> I'm okay with that right now.

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>> Uh, you got five members, correct? >> Yes, sir. I'm thinking that a thousand a piece is not too much to ask for. I mean, look at with tie downs and all this other I mean they're here using they got a space for 20 foot

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container and I I think a grand a piece is not too much to ask for. I mean we had six members six, you know, $1,000 a member. I don't think that's too much to ask for. They come in here, they're our guests, and they come here and do that.

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I mean, are you guys opposed to $1,000 a piece to come down here and fly your jets that cost you $15,000? I mean, what do they what do you cost for those jets? How much? >> It's a few bucks. >> Yeah, a few bucks. >> Yeah. I don't think $1,000 a piece is too much to ask for.

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>> That's my opinion. You guys can We can debate about this and figure out what we're going to check, but I don't think $2,000 is is more is enough for what we're setting up down here for these guys. I think the well my opinion was to >> this this could be this work and this could be

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>> every time this lease comes up too lease but I think $1,000 a piece >> for the for the club members to be here is not much to ask for. I I may stupid, but until this moment, I wasn't really aware of the fact that this was just

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five or six or 10 guys playing with their airplanes, but and the reason they're not outside the fence the way those other people are right now flying their model airplanes. These guys are here because they're their toys are so fast and so big that they actually

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require a runway. what they >> So, I sort of assumed right from the get-go that this was not unlike those past events where hundreds of people came through the gates and these these high-speed units were flying up and down uh the runway pattern. So, I'm surprised

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now to learn that this is just a bunch of guys uh uh playing with their sophisticated toys and making use of this public airport. >> Well, everybody gets to that. So, I'm just uh I'm I'm a little bit uh I'm just

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slightly taken aback by that. I I sort of assumed right from the get-go that this was not unlike those events where we had a bunch of people here watching uh these high performance uh vehicles up and down the runway. So, I'm a little bit surprised that we're going ahead

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with this, frankly. And for 2,000 bucks. >> Yeah. But it's, you know, >> why are we doing it? >> Because we're a public entity >> and this has >> this is part of aviation.

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>> This is not part of aviation. >> Yes, it is. aviation vehicles that uh >> this is part of aviation >> part of our mission um you know through the academy of all aeronautics is to

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spread the love of aviation to all the community. We have you know STEM outreach programs. We work with um students all over the country to introduce them to aviation and ultimately you know that creates engineers, scientists and people who

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enter the field of aviation. Um and without having a theater ground for that you know aviation would certainly starve the scientific community starves uh engineering community starves. So I mean it has launched careers in engineering for countless people like for me for

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example I work as an engineer. I've been involved in model aviation since I was, you know, uh, nine years old. >> Point I'm making is model aviation is going on right now over there across the fence in that grassy area. That's model aviation and it's happening right as we

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speak. >> Mhm. Yes, for sure. >> And uh, >> no problem. >> Right. And so what Adam and I are working on is a different aspect of it. It's related certainly different kinds of models. There's certainly overlap with what the folks across the street are using. Um, we specifically wanted a

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paved runway to use for the high performance jets that we fly and which is what makes that interesting. So, we could fly off the grass field. We can even fly the jets off of grass, some of them, but they're they're better for paved runways. So, that's that's why we're looking for a facility that offers

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uh that meets that need that we have. So, it's a different level. does bring the public when you do have events and we're all about, you know, public outreach. >> I >> So, >> I know people that like coming to this

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even when you're just down here flying. I I am not opposed to you guys being here. I understand Dave's concern. >> Sure. >> Uh but I I definitely don't agree with this $2,000 mark. >> Well, the $2,000 thing was just a number we threw out as a conversation. So you

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have to understand this this was a discussion with you and Jim. We weren't >> No, it wasn't even a discussion with me. They sent me this propos on the proposal >> to you. We didn't know anything about this. >> And the only thing I sent to you guys, >> Jim,

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we didn't know anything about this until a meeting. It came up when you were talking to Jim down in Florida on the phone. I'm not even going to get into that. So, all I'm saying is I think $2,000 is a bit anemic and I think each one of you members, there's five of you should be paying a grand. That's all I'm

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saying. >> So, you're saying um that the the fee for the air should be five grand? >> Well, per member to come here additional person,000 too. >> You understand? >> I I understand what you're saying. We

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were looking more for a um >> sort of a yearly fee that you guys would charge us. >> Sure. And then you know that's that. So if >> so if we settle on this today and there's five members. >> Yeah. >> And you're all paying 5,000, right? And

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say July comes or September and you get John wants to fly his plane here. So John comes here till the first of the year. We now we renegotiate another $1,000. You know what I mean? >> Sure. Sure. >> That's that's all I'm looking at because you're going to have all these people down here. I mean not all. I mean it's

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not many. I'm just saying for your club to be here to allowing the airport to have you here, I don't think $1,000 per member is un what's the word I'm broken? Sufficient. Unsufficient. Thank you.

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>> I I think it's very fair price. I mean, you tie an airplane out down here, you have to have all this insurance. You paid that. You You got a hanger here. You got to pay this. >> That's all I'm saying. I was part of an airplane club down in Fitsburg. you have to pay out, you know, a certain amount for each member.

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>> Sure. >> So, that's all that's all I'm saying about I think it's a bit of an event. I think $1,000 per member is not too much to ask for. >> Okay. >> That's all. >> I mean, we'd certainly have to discuss it. >> Sure. >> You know, traditionally, like at the Plum Island Air Force, they charge the

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club a yearly fee and then that's that and then the club handles the internal sort of portion of the money. Mhm. >> So a club member joins the fee doesn't go up. They just absorb the you know the fee into the club and then they you know figure out their operating budget

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accordingly. So that's kind of how we were hoping to operate on. >> Okay. >> Um because and and this I I get it. If if if the fee is anemic enough, sure we can definitely sharpen the pencil a bit. >> Okay. But I also don't want to make it the barrier to entry for other people

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too high because that's just not American in terms, you know what I mean? Like I want to make it accessible to to people that, you know, they're on a shoestring budget. Um, yeah, you're right. These things do cost a lot of money and people who have them have money, sure, but at the same time, you

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know, >> buy a Ferrari, you know, and put brakes in it from AutoZone. >> The the problem with Massachusetts is obviously the topography, right? You go to other states and they have these super flat areas and so there's jet clubs everywhere and so it's not a problem for a lot of people.

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>> Massachusetts especially like very very few spots. Actually there's only one mile. Central Mass has nothing. And so our thought was >> where is that spot for the people of Central Mass at some point could go and do this because we're bottlenecked,

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right? you have no place to really do it unless we drive hours away. So, I get what you're saying. The the pencil, we got to talk about it, but I mean, and also I think >> we need to keep it realistic, too. I mean, you know, >> you're going to start a club somewhere.

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And once you're established, then it's easy peasy. Establishing is pain. You've got the the container cost, the other container cost, the fire extinguishers. You're looking at 10 grand here just in materials. >> Exactly. >> You know, I'm not I I'm realistic. I know this stuff. Not because I'm a

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noologist. >> I have this stuff. >> Yeah, >> I have containers. I have CO2. I have two in my hanger. >> But I understand how expensive it is to get established. Once you're established, everything moves right along really good. >> Yeah.

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>> So, I don't think this is too much to ask for. And if you Jim and Ann Andy and Dave and Isabelle, if you want to do just a $5,000 a year club thing and we'll look at it the following year when it happens, you know, when the lease

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comes up. I mean, I don't think five grand is too much to ask for. >> All right. You made that clear. I don't disagree with you. Um, what I want to know now is, uh, during the 180 days out of the year where we have pretty decent weather and sun and some warmth,

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uh, how many times are these guys going to be here tying up this runway and basically creating a dangerous situation for anybody who's flying a full-size airplane? How often is this taking place? >> Well, there's zero dangerous situation.

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>> No, no, no. Those are my words. You don't get to tell me that my word is inappropriate. What I'm saying is I want to know how frequently this is going to be the situation. >> We're looking to fly on uh weekends primarily in >> there's like 26 of those during that period of time I just described.

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>> So there's the potential for if the weather was good and our time was there could be 26 weeks. It really depends on on the weather. >> All right. I I again what I said earlier, I was sort of envisioning uh this event that I that

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took place eight years ago where we had this big crowd here and everybody was flying these super sexy model airplanes. Uh to do this every weekend of the decent weather uh uh and and create this semi slightly dangerous situation and to

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hardly get reimbursed for it. I think the whole idea is uh I think we should say to them and refer them to that grassy strip on the other side of the plane uh the the highway there that has been used for many many years for model

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airplanes. I think this is crazy to >> I look into doing this every goddamn weekend of the of the decent weather during the course of the year. I think it's it's to to argue that it's not inherently dangerous for the air the people that are flying full-size

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aircraft. >> I don't know how you I I don't understand exactly how you can say it's >> that is not a toy runway out there. >> Huh. >> That is not a toy runway out there. That is >> Yes, it is. >> That is a magn >> Your toy is a lot bigger than theirs.

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>> I mean, I don't I don't >> All right. If you're following the rules, I don't know how they can how they wouldn't be able to. They have to have somebody that's looking for airplanes and they can get out. >> Airplanes right now have been segregated to the, you know, the eastern portion of

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this property for the sake of safety. >> And to to suddenly allow them because their their toys have become so sophisticated and fast that they need a full-size runway to play these uh these games is is inherently dangerous. Given the fact that fulls size airplanes come

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and go. >> Yeah. And they are I don't know. I don't see the danger. I'm with them because I've been in airports where they've been doing it and and they actually >> we're going to do this. We're going to endanger the people that make use of

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this airport for 2,000 bucks a year for God's sakes. >> It was just a 20,000 was just a suggestion. And the only reason they're here talking to us is this airplane, this airport is so isolated and u and

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marginal in terms of its utilization that they they they figured out that they could show up here and probably talk themselves into >> I think these toys. >> Well, first of all, >> 26 weekends out of the year for God's sake. >> Hang on. Hang on. First of all, we came

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up here because you had a rapport with the Jet Club before. We figured why not? Let's give it a shot. We go to any airport we want. Okay, it's fine. But I'm just saying you were It's been here before. We figured this was our best year. >> One weekend out of the year. >> Okay. But it's still You understand what

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they've done before. It's not like it's something new. >> One weekend out of the year is quite different than having this show up every >> We've been talking about a club since December when we met with you. from the very first sentence that we wanted to start a club to be here and it was not

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about running events primarily. I'm not sure why >> I don't need to go on. You've heard my uh my thoughts on this. Those are my thoughts. >> I have flown into here Plum Island with the Jets. That was with Mike. I forget his last name.

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>> Knew him. I haven't talked to him in quite some time. Anyway, all I'm saying is those guys always put those jets on the ground pro when they heard us coming into the pattern. They landed their jets and everything was fine for the airplane. I took off out of here during an event cuz I was going to New

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Hampshire and they stopped everything to let me get out of here. So, that's what I'm saying. >> And I don't find you guys acting irresponsible flying your planes. I I' I've seen and been in the traffic pattern, talked to people and they've

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always been well. And I don't even go to Plum very well. I just I went in there and they data in the sky. >> So, >> well, I said agree with you. >> I'm looking forward to seeing you guys establish something here. I think they're >> I think we're going to all work together

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and every year is a new contract or a lease. It's not like change. That's why I put in Absolutely. So, we can't do it. But uh okay, we uh you guys are going to discuss with

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your club members about the money. >> Yeah, we have to talk to >> So all right, we discussed this. I guess the next meeting we have coming up in May. We can yay and nay on this contract thingy here or whatever it is >> and you guys will get back relatively

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soon to tell us yay and on the price. I mean, I don't think >> is a dollar or no, >> right? >> How how you want to do it. >> Can we negotiate the amount or is it just going to be flat out yes or no with the $1,000 per person?

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>> Like he described to me about the membership, then we can adjust it yearly with the new lease. I I think five grand is not much to ask for for these guys to set up down here. I really don't. They're they're they're putting money into this place to set up

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for their stuff. They're showing us that they're putting some skin in the game. I'm okay with it. I think that's fair. You know, you guys are going to show us you're putting some time into this airport and you want to do your thing. I don't think five grand is much to ask for for that. I think that's good. And

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we can look at it when the contract comes around or the lease comes up again every year. >> Fair enough. >> Sounds good to me. Yeah. >> Okay. Sure. >> So, we'll >> at least we know where you're where you're at. That's fine. Yeah.

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>> Okay. Well, then that discussion is uh over at this time. We'll compile a minutes to the meeting and we will uh I'll forward you a copy, make sure I got everything right. >> Okay. >> And uh it'll probably be sometime next

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week. >> Is there any point in figuring out if there's an agreement with folks now? If the if we agree with the $1,000 per person, does the board agree and say yes, the agreement is good or is there still potential for disagreement and all

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here? >> So, I'm wondering if you could vote. Does it make sense to at least share a preliminary vote to say what you would vote if we say yes to disagreement or is there still dissension to find out? You know, I'd like to know if there's dension $5,000.

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Jim and Andy and Dave. Uh, are you guys okay with the 5,000 a year uh to set up shop down here for these guys for >> I just don't want to put them out of business before they even get into business. >> That's our concern, too.

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>> My concern, but it's their problem. >> Yes. >> And um I'm >> If you can afford a $15,000 jet to play around with, Jim, and I'm not I'm not dis I understand. If I can afford an airplane, I can

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afford $1,000 to join some club or something like that or get out of the business. I mean, I understand five grand's a whole different story a piece, but a brand a piece, Chris, you go fill your house up with oil, it's $1,000, $800. It's all I'm saying.

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>> This I I look at this as an entrylevel aviation. >> That is over there. Like Dave says, this is level. You need licenses, insurance. I don't think these guys have licenses insurance, but maybe >> they probably do have a UAV license.

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>> I don't know. But the I just see this as an entry level to get things going and that we can figure out how much they use it and then make a reasonable requirement whether it's based on usage

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uh or and or >> go if we even if it's even if it's a year from today >> why don't we do this >> but >> because we We do the contracts every July, correct? >> No, I don't have I don't know of any

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No, I think a lot I think >> I'm talking leases here. We pay all the leases in July. >> January, December. >> December. >> Last I knew. I'm >> pretty sure Isabel, when do they pay the the hang the tie down fees and the

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hanger fees and what? >> August. Is that so after fiscal year in July, right? >> Mhm. Okay. So, why don't we do this? >> I've never signed a lease unless it was the first of the year. All of them. I've signed first of the year.

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>> Have my contract here with the airplane tied out there when I had it there in the hanger. I'd write a check in July. >> I don't know. >> I'm pretty sure. >> I have no idea. >> Well, I I think I do. Yes, I do it in July. >> We don't know. >> Okay. >> That's never given us.

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>> So, why don't we why don't we do this for them this year? Why don't we do 3500 and then the following lease will go up to five grand? How's that? It's like cutting your deal. Is that >> It sounds pretty good to me. I mean, but we got to we'll

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>> discuss it and you know here again. This is why an agenda to the meeting had them on the agenda >> and none of this stuff came up prior >> because you never discussed the money with us yet. You only did

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You did it with them. You talked about it with us >> and I never mind. I was You look back at the minutes and they were discuss I have all the minutes. Are are you guys okay with us doing the quarterly payment like so that in case no we don't want you here anymore we can walk away or do you

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want it all up front or how do you guys want to >> quarterly is fine. >> That's okay with you. >> Yeah. >> All right. Cool. >> I don't have a problem with that. >> And we just pay you directly. You want a check or a card or >> check? checks my >> Why can't we have a probationary period

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where they set up review the operations 3 months down the road or 6 months down the road or whatever and we say yeah okay let's go >> have another meeting yeah 3 months yeah >> but I think that the >> like I said >> that's why I haven't invited them out cuz I had question

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where I was thinking what I was thinking trying to save a lot of this minutia that means nothing as far as the contract All right. Goes. >> What maneuver is that, Jim? I just a little uncertain what that is.

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>> Well, what kind of danger is there? >> I don't have any. I just said nothing about that being dangerous. >> David has. >> Okay. >> Very much so. >> The only other thing is before we sign any contract, I suggest we run it by the city solicitor just to make sure the

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wording is proper. I sent that to purchasing and purchasing handles most of it, but he uh he was okay with part of it. He had they made a comment and uh it was the

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I can't think off my head. I made a change to it. I added it into here and that's the copy the mayor got. Hey, haven't you may haven't seen this one, but there wasn't any substantive changes to any of it. Yeah, that was >> and the

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but I haven't heard back from the man and he was going to I don't know what he was going to do. That was a question I was going to ask too is we having a lawyer write this up to make it legal cuz cost a lot of money but yeah I mean I just thought we

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>> we've always had the city solicitor review our contracts. >> Yeah. And well, somebody outside of us to go over >> the purchasing agent. All right. Understood. >> Purchasing a agent handles a lot of that too. >> We've always done that in the past.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. So, just to bring it back though, so the the proposal then is $3,500 for the year. That's what you're asking us to agree to if we want to do that. And then

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my second question is is there then agreement from the board to say yes if we come back and say yeah we want to do that do we is it just peruncter then to meet again and get an agreement or is the discussion still open and they get voted down if we come back and say yes

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is the board still going to say could it say no >> right we did not agree on >> so I'd like it would be great to get some clarity on do you agree with 3500 Jim >> I agree I agree with any amount that was agreed to here. That's all I'm saying

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because I am trying to >> sure >> put this thing over the finish line. >> I think what Andy >> spent 4 months already. >> I think what Andy said about the probationary thing is is is a good idea also. So if we agreed on the 3500 and you know you guys set up shop and I

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think everything's going to work just fine once everything's established. I really do. I don't think there's going to be much of a problem. I'm very optimistic about this fellas. So, we agreed on 3500. >> I don't. >> Okay. I second.

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>> What was that, Andy? >> Okay. >> What was your question or your >> No, I just said I don't have any problem with 30. >> Okay. But here again, it's up to you guys. >> And Jim, you agree with that? >> Yeah. >> Yes. That's four yeses.

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>> Okay. So basically if Adam and I say if we agree and come back and say yes we'll do the 3500 then as far as we're concerned then the formal answer will be yes we can go ahead and start. >> Do you want to sign this agreement now?

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>> We still want to review it but I'm really just asking for there's commitment from the board to do that or if there's no question two members that I'm here give them a chance to show. Yeah. >> Get the okay from the city solicitor.

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The wording is proper. You'll sign the contract. >> Okay. >> You got the >> I'll change the amounts on the contract. Add in the language and I need the copy of their insurance thing that had the whole timeless because I need to uh copy that. I need to copy it.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. We will call a meeting at uh 10:06. Thank you.