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Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=KTDkxE_c2Yo

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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: KTDkxE_c2Yo):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Opening, Prior Minutes, and Commissioner Appointments
- 00:05:02: Discussion/Dispute Over Inactive Commissioner Voting Illegality
- 00:12:29: Special Meeting Minutes Discussion: Fuel Container and Spill Kit
- 00:15:06: Approval of Meeting Minutes and Stormwater Pollution Prevention
- 00:19:36: Gail's Project Update: Obstruction, Easements, Vegetation Management
- 00:39:28: RC Club Agreement: Backing Out, Airport Regulations Discussion
- 00:51:12: Guard Counts and Fuel Farm Finances Review


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Yes. Good. >> Once again, >> categorical exclusion. So on Gail's um on Gail's update, it's it should be um under project status. Yeah, we have it short for categorical exclusion.

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>> So that five letter acronym stands for in two words, categorical exclusion. >> That's correct. and it's one of the levels of review under the National Environmental Policy Act. >> Okay. Um we have to open the meeting now as I

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need a I don't know if I need approvals or anything like that to open the meeting. Um >> we've got a quorum. We do >> but we can have a meeting even without a quorum but we have a quorum. um the

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uh prior meeting and the special meeting minutes. Have you had time to digest them? Yep. And is everything okay? There's a couple of comments. I think you had a couple on that, I think. Not

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sure I got it but in the right spot but And I reviewed the special committee meeting committee and commission minute meeting minutes and agenda.

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>> Is there a main subject of tonight? >> Yeah, they're listed on the agenda. The uh but I'm trying to get through the approval for the minutes and then we'll go on to Jim. >> Yes.

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>> Uh, I want to bring up the attendees of last month. >> Yep. Uh, last month's. Yes. >> Yep. At the meetings. >> Mhm. Now, hate to beat a dead horse, but I've asked you for a paper for who the commissioners were. >> I sent you. >> Huh? >> I sent you a list.

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>> When? >> I'll have to look on my computer, but >> I sent you a list of the weekend after. >> I emailed it. >> Who are the appointed members? >> I sent you an email list. Okay. >> Six appointed members on it. >> Well, it rang it off, Jim, right now. It

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should be too hard. >> Yeah. No, I can't. I've done it several times. Um, >> well, I want I want to be the bearer of bad news to you, Jim. James Moresy and Phil Morrisy, their appointments ran out on 3, four of

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25, and they have not been reappointed. The only appointed commissioners that are here are the four of us that are here. It's an even number. It needs to be odd. So, whoever is going to put in another person in the commission,

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that needs to happen. So, I have the proof right here. I don't know. Just hear me out. I went to city hall. >> Yeah. >> And I went to city hall and got the paperwork. >> I don't know if you need to see this or not, but you can have one, too.

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That's when their that's all end dates. That's when their commission ended. So I was right on them not being commissioners. So that means in the past year you've allowed non-members, nonappointed commissioners to vote on

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stuff at the airport. And I think that might just smidgely be a little illegal. >> I don't know. >> I think so. So I don't know how we're going to fix that mess, but as chair, you should know who your commissioners are and when their appointments expire.

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I'm just saying. I know you look disgusted. I'm sorry to bring this to your attention, but this is a fact. And I always have my paper on me with a stamp. So if you want to run a commission

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that doesn't have the right members and vote on stuff, Rowdy could vote on it. You know, John Thomas walking his dog can come in here and vote on it. That's why we have a commission. So I don't know what to tell you. I wanted to settle this a long time ago

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and we haven't. So, I settle it tonight. I don't know what you're going to do about it, but we're going to have to fix this because in the past year, >> you can let these people vote on stuff at the airport and they were not entitled to vote on that stuff. >> They were attendees at the last meeting.

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>> And I'm just saying I have no hard feelings with Phil and Jim, but they can't be voting on stuff, Jim. That's why we have appointed commissioners. How about a response? >> What do I respond to? >> Yeah. What do you agree? You agree? Disagree? You want to make a clarification?

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>> I I'll have to What I've got to do is start doing my homework on it. Find out what was voted on and what was >> and find out if they I don't know. >> Why would they come to the meeting if Why would they come to the meeting? >> Just like or anybody else. It's a public

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meeting. Anybody can attend, but you've got to have the commissioners attend it. And you, shame on you for not knowing who your commissioners are. You're the chair. If you can't do your job, Jim, somebody else can do it for you. I put in to do the chair. Not saying you're doing a horrible job, but it ain't

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great. Some of these meetings are very stifying to say the least. And when you have Andy here backing up Phil last month saying, "Oh, we get our appointments at a different time." >> They do. They don't. I don't know. I all

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I'm saying all I'm saying is that's the way I was told when I first got appointed. >> I asked Phil if he had been appeared in front of the appointments committee and he said yes last year. That was a lie. He did not appear

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in front of the appointments committee. He did not. And he has not been reappointed and he is not an active commissioner. Well, I would the first place I'm going is I have to go talk to the mayor because it's his responsibility to

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appoint them. >> We're we're settling this tonight. >> We can't settle anything. >> We're not spending another month. >> It's almost the middle of the year and the vote was in February. >> Mhm.

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>> And those gentlemen are not active commissioners. You've got them on your your meeting minutes even. Yes. >> Well, they're not commissioners. They're not commissioners. >> But they're only only when they here are they on the minutes because I have to take a pen. >> You have it listed right here. Philip

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Moresy, commissioner. James Morsy, commissioner. They are not commissioners. They are not appointed anymore. There has been, used to be, not anymore. Past tense. I'm just telling you that

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you're running a commission that isn't run properly. You're not You don't know who you members are and it needs and the voting we did in the past year on all kinds of stuff cuz I wasn't here for a lot of that cuz I wasn't the commissioner, >> right?

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>> I put my paperwork in what a year a year I think it's a year ago in September that I put my my my uh appointment my paperwork in to be a commissioner. So, all I'm saying is you've been running a commission that shouldn't be run that way.

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And I'm just pointing that out to you. >> Mhm. >> Yep. Well, we can't we can't have >> Everybody else will do that. >> We cannot have a commission run like this. >> Okay. >> Well, you got your good old boys club agreeing with you that, oh, they got their appointment. Oh, no. They got

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appointments at a different time. And the other guy, Phil, saying he, oh, I got appointed last year. They lied directly to us. How can we have a commission when we last updating? >> That came from the mayor. >> When was the last update? >> And they still got John Lavoy on here.

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He's not in the commission either, >> right? >> I didn't mean so >> maybe. Listen to me. >> What? >> The John Lavoy expired the same time as that. I didn't highlight this cuz John doesn't come to the meeting. It his his

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appointment expired in 25. So, no. My question is this says the airport commissioners. Why are their names still here? >> Cuz it was on the expire last year's paperwork. >> It's the expired one. >> I mean, this year's paperwork, but they just had it on file. >> Yeah. >> I'm just pointing out the fact that

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you're you're having people voting on stuff that shouldn't be voting. And there's there's other issues here along with letting MIT call in call in no chance. The list just goes on. There's there's there's a there's a point where you have

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to step down and let somebody else do the do do the show because you're not doing a horrible job. You're not doing a great job either. Am I going to do a great job or a horrible job? Don't know. Ain't been there yet. But I'm going to be there. I'm going to tell you that right now. We can go directly to the mayor, me and you, and have a sit down

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with him and we'll have a nice discussion if you want to do that. But I want to finish this night's meeting without any more of this nonsense because there's only four of us. the only four commissioners that are appointed here. And we're going to do this cuz I'm all done with the good old

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boys club that used to be. We're done with that. Period. Period. >> What about the vote in February? What about that? >> That came down as a tie. I watched that video. That video came down as a tie

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according to Jim. We had four of us. So Jim is not only supposed to vote to break a tie. He voted to vote that night. >> No, I suggest I me and Jim go to the mayor, sit down with him, and have a little sit down. That's what I suggest

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we do to straighten this whole deal up. That's it. I'd like to get the rest of the meeting going. So continue as >> well on the agenda to talk about this, but that's fine. Well, hey, so it's got to come out sometime and it's on camera and that's the way it's going to be.

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>> Mhm. >> Cuz the camera is a double-edged sword. You won't get bit by it. >> I don't know all the all the information that I need. >> It's simple. Is that not an answer? >> We have four. Yes, it is.

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>> We have already been He has already been to the >> I've already been clerk's office. They have not been reappointed. They don't have the stamp stamp sheets. They have not appeared. >> All I'm saying is there's a lot of things that go into

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>> Jim. You make mountains out of mole hills. I'm done with that nonsense, too. >> Okay. >> Really, if you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be in a position to be chair. Period. All right. In a special meeting, I got a question about the fuel stored in the

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container. They need to purchase a separate fuel container that's marked fuel. I said that and showed those guys that day on marketplace where they could purchase one secondhand, which is as fine as a brand new one cuz new ones are about $2,000.

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>> 426.26. Yep. >> So, that's the only extra thing. You don't want to put the fuel inside of the container cuz nobody knows what's inside. at least with that or a placard on the side of a 1993 or 1203 will cover gas and oil.

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Let it be kerosene, jet A or uh diesel. >> Well, there were suggestions were presented how to solve the problem. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying >> and that's and and that's what you did. I don't see where that >> Well, it says well it says right here it

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says will the fuel be stored in the container? question and the question was suggestions were presented how to solve the problem depending on the regulations as well as the types of fuel to be stored

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and that's what you did and then we immediately jumped into the spill kit and the type extinguishers and all that stuff. Okay. >> So, Al, are you suggesting that these special command commission meeting

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minutes from 20 F 26 need to be modified? Is that what you're suggesting? >> Um, no. I don't think so. I think it's fine the way it is. It's just, you know, I I wanted to question that one thing. and I put a line under it to find out what the deal is. >> But you're a question that was to add a special container for

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>> and you answered it be acquired, right? >> Yeah, that's definitely what needs to be done. >> Okay. >> That's outside of the container. So, if it does catch on fire, it's just that little thing instead of the 20ft container with all the belongings. >> How big is this proposed container? How

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big? >> 20 foot. It's going to be like looking like >> nobody nobody knows that cuz they haven't purchased it or they haven't got the to do it. >> You said 20 >> 20 to 40 ft. 20 just like what you got out in the field the the two that are stacked out there. The two 20 footers stacked on each other.

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>> They discussed that they were looking at a 20footer from down the road. That's at the old Burkcon. You know >> this container will be storing >> their stuff like chairs, tables, silly stuff. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Nothing crazy. Yeah, they're very nice. >> All car maybe.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah, sure. >> Now, can we go back to approval of the minutes, please? >> Which minutes, please, gentlemen? >> We have the minutes for the last prior meeting, which was on the uh 1st, 41,

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and then the minutes for the special meeting on 4:26. Well, I'll move that the special minutes from 426 be approved. I second that. Andy,

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>> you approve or >> I just need two people. >> I just need a >> Okay. >> Approval and this is a group thing. That's why just saying >> is that for both or will be >> which one you're looking at David?

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>> Well that was that my comment was for the special commission meeting from 426. >> Yep. Want to get ready. So when four commissioners are in attendance and they vote for something that that validates the the vote. Is

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that correct? Is that hearing? >> Yes. Four commissioners >> cuz we need four to make a qual. >> And that does not include the chairman, right? Or does it? >> Yeah. Well, I'm going to not vote. >> Yeah,

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>> he can only vote to break a tie. >> Are we ready to go on with business or? >> Yeah, I approve the last month's minutes. >> Okay. Okay, I'll second. Okay, we've gone into whole business and we've got Neil Great >> that has going to go

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over just we gave us full copy. She's well, she can explain what she's going to do. >> So, you should all have a copy of Gail's update in front of you. One thing if if I may um and I hope that I'm not overstepping here with regards to the Boston RC Jet Club. Has someone had a

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conversation with them about the storm water pollution prevention plan? Have they just been made aware of it? I I'm just bringing it to your attention because it's probably they're going to be operating on the airport. They probably should know about the spill prevention, you know, procedures that are supposed to be in place at the

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airport. So, I just wanted to mention that. I you know again not trying to overstep but yeah >> no to to just there is uh in the agreement a they have to have a spill kit okay >> and they have to have the uh they can't do any fuel on any of the pavements or

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anything like refueling or anything like that and they have to clean up all of their mess or whatever that happens okay >> so that it doesn't uh for that reason I broke it down >> okay >> so you're saying they have been properly informed and >> I believe they Yeah, your question. When

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you start talking the storm water prevention plan, pollution plan, >> everybody kind of glazes over. But if you say you can't spill anything and not clean it up, you can't you you you know

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>> there there is um and and I can send it again to I I apologize doesn't have it but the um the best management practices fact sheet there are just like it's like a quick little well I mean I guess it's not little but it's like a four page like if you're dealing with um fueling

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these are the best practices. If you're dealing with um trash these are the best practices. It's just a quick little guide that can kind of be handed out to anyone that's operating on the airport. So, >> is that in that manual? >> It is. Yeah. Yeah. And I can provide it separately, too, if it would be helpful.

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>> I have it covered and hand it out next time. >> I just figured I'd mention it again just just to just to cover everybody. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. There you go. There it is. Okay. So, sorry about that. I'll I'll move on to my my regularly scheduled program here. Um so page one

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of the update the environmental assessment and obstruction analysis. Actually the update is on page two of three. If you recall from the last meeting um FAA had some comments on the documented categorical exclusion and I was waiting on a response from them

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effectively to find out if our coordination with the Massachusetts Historical Commission was sufficient. it was confirmed that yes that um coordination was sufficient and we were able to make just a couple small changes

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within the document just referring to that that um coordination was considered complete and then we were able to resubmit that on uh the 23rd of April. So that is now um

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that is now with FAA and their environmental uh program manager Cheryl Clay and hopefully you know she'll approve that shortly. I don't foresee a reason why she would not. And then um once that's you know finalized and approved we can update the airport

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layout plan just showing um you know just showing the easement areas and the fence line um that that is proposed. And then that goes onto the airport layout plan, making those projects eligible for federal funding. It's not obligating the airport to commit funding

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to anything, but it's basically your first step in saying, "Yes, this is a project that has been vetted. This is a project that has been um, you know, from an environmental standpoint cleared and it's now eligible for federal money." Any questions on that?

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Oops. I realize I have a mistake on this. I apologize. Actions requested of the commission. Um, Chair Wood has already executed the the categorical exclusion document. This should say no action. So, I apologize for that. >> Oh, they should say no.

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>> Yeah, that should say no. There's no action needed this month. So, um, any questions hearing? None. I'm going to move on. The navigation easement acquisition project. So, um, we've been going back and forth with the

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FAA and Mass DOT on, uh, the scope of work. I know, um, Jim and Isabelle, you've been included, both been included on that correspondence. We, um, there is one parcel, um, in Hubard that contains obstructions that is owned by the

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Massachusetts Forestry Division. And so there are um there's a special process for acquiring an easement over a property of that kind and there are additional elements um and coordination that needs to happen. Um some of which

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being you know you have to provide alternatives analysis, you have to provide um justification for the payment being made and things like that. Um, and so we're waiting for further instruction from the um, they call it DCR and DAM,

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which are the com uh, Department of Conservation and Recreation and the Massachusetts Division of Capital Asset Management and Bud Budget. So, we've reached out to those entities. Um, we're trying to move things along in terms of just getting those instructions from

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them to clarify what is going to be required. Uh you'll notice that I have two draft scopes of work attached to this um attached to this update. I'm not expecting to go over it with anyone tonight or expecting anyone to give me

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responses. It's forformational purposes so that everybody can kind of get a sense of what's um what's in the scope and what those tasks look like so that next month we can really review it and go over things and you know hopefully get your comments and approval. These

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harvester obstructions for runway 18 are to the south >> of the airport. >> Yes, that's correct. >> And the Massachusetts. >> How far south are they? Do we know? >> I actually have um I I brought a couple copies of the plans because I know um I

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know we've talked about in the past, but files. >> Yeah, this is these are these instructions are instructions that you would deal with if you diverting away from land.

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>> Okay, so this is this is just really identifying the ownership of the different parcels. So we're we're um and this is this was all submitted to the commission as part of the obstruction analysis that's been approved and you know everything else. So, um, any

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questions that you have >> 2700 ft or something? >> So, there Yeah, there just there's a little bit more coordination that's necessary over that parcel just because it is owned um, you know, by the recreation department. >> So, where is it?

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>> Y, the property lines are like these magenta lines here and then you have all the ownership names. So, it's this parcel here. Massachusetts. >> And how far out is that from?

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>> Oh gosh, that would measures. >> These are elevations. So the elevation of the approach surface above mean sea level. Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly how far exactly how far this is out, but um the the total approach

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surface is 5,000 um five 5,000 ft um in length. So >> yeah. Okay. So if you guys look right here, this is the sandbanks. All right, that's where the Pitcherville sandbanks are. They're right south of us. This is just to the If you're heading south, it's just to the left of it. This is 18

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right here. You'd be departing to the south. >> I think the these are these red areas are depicting trees. >> That's right. Yeah. So the red areas are depict depicting trees that are currently obstructing the approach surface, which we've talked about as

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part of the obstruction analysis before. And then the blue is depicting areas where the trees are within 10 ft of the approach surface. So they're close to becoming >> there already obstructions and according to FAA rules, >> this is slightly familiar to me. When I

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come into 18 or 36, I come over this thing and then I observe all these tall tall pine trees right in this location. >> Yeah. Okay. So, you you know >> I go past them. It's >> Well, so so the you know the purpose of

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the Eastwood project and you know we can um go over it again happy to do that but you know really is to um gain airspace rights. the city airport will have airspace rights to go out and clear those trees. Um and then you have perpetual rights to maintain those areas

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in the future. So um you know you can monitor the growth and go back out and cut things as as necessary hopefully after the tree clearing you know is done. You won't have to do that for for quite some time. Um but just wanted to give everybody a copy of the scope of

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work. So you notice here it says a red line scope of work which is in this package was provided to FAA mass DOT um and you know Jim and Isabelle were both included on that. Um FAA's provided complaints on the scope already. We're

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waiting for Mass DOT to provide their thoughts. And then you'll notice and I listed it out. It's task B1B. Um, and that is the that is the item that's specifically related to that division of forestry parcel in

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Hubardston. And once we get through that process and confirm um that section that you see in there may change, but I didn't want to bring all the these materials just at the next meeting and have to digest everything at once. So, I figured even

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though Mass hasn't technically accepted the scope yet, it would be better for everybody to just see it now and, you know, prepare any questions that you have for next time. >> You said three uh 13B, correct? >> That's uh B1 B1B.

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>> B1B. >> B Yeah, B1B. Sorry, it's actually B Roman numeral I >> Yeah. >> Um >> Okay, got it. Got it. >> Yep. So, um, no action required by the commission, uh, this month. I just

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requesting that, you know, over the next couple weeks maybe go over the scope of work and if you have any questions, I think people have my card, but I can give it again. Um, email me, call me, any questions that you have. If there's anything that comes up, I am available happy happy to happy to help and you

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know jump in. But trying to be a little bit more proactive in getting the materials to everybody with a little bit of advanced notice so that you know next time we can all have I think an easier time and not have to read through so much um in the meeting.

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>> Thank you. >> Yeah, absolutely. any any questions concerns um with the the easement project as of right now? Okay. So, moving on to the final uh project here,

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the vegetation management plan. So, as a reminder, um Mass DOT has offered to fund this project at 100%. What the vegetation management plan will do is it will identify um anywhere that there are obstructions um that you've seen you

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know for example under the 18 approach um it will review any sort of environmental concerns in those areas wetlands and things like that and it will identify the methods that are acceptable for cutting. So when a contractor comes in, they know what they

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have to do if it's in this type of wetland. They'll know what they need to do in uplands. They'll make um you know, they'll make recommendations for like things like annual mowing or brush hoging and things like that. And also probably of particular um importance to

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the commission. What I'll go over with you once we get into the project is, you know, realistically where are the areas on the airport that can be reasonably maintained with airport, you know, staff and helpers and equipment that's on hand

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and when are you going to need the FAA or the state or, you know, re really the state for maintenance purposes? When are you going to need some help from the state to come in and assist with that? because there is funding available for that sort of thing through the state, but you they need to plan for it on

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their capital improvement plan. So, this will give them a sense of, you know, what you have coming up. Fortunately, if you do a big tree clearing project through the FAA, um, and get that all, you know, maintained and now you're just managing it. Um, that that probably

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won't need a lot other than maybe close in stuff that grows up a little bit faster, um, for a while. But there is funding available for that. Just just so you know, we'll review the equipment that you have on hand, whether it's sufficient. We can talk about that. Um,

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and then, you know, determine really like what mass dot can do to help with that type of stuff. >> Nice. That's >> the conservation though, they said that the tree removal will have to be done in the winter. >> So, yeah. So typically typically um in

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wetlands you would do clearing either in under frozen ground conditions or dry stable conditions and again um GZA geoenvironmental and of course now I can't remember the two gentleman's names that um that that stand for the GZA but

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um >> they will yeah they'll they'll be um they'll be contracted to for um to do the environmental portion um and provide their expertise. It's um you know they they really have a good handle on you

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know what what wetlands are out there, what needs to happen and knowing >> where are they out of >> they have several different locations. I believe their I don't quote me on this but I believe their corporate office is out of Springfield, Massachusetts. And they have several other locations.

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There's I think one or more up in New Hampshire actually in Benford where my office is located. Um they I don't know if they moved, but they had an office there at one time. >> Um yeah, and they're great to work with. They're um they're I mean really just

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just super knowledgeable and um will help navigate the process. Um but this really clears a pathway from a permitting standpoint of, you know, um it's it's a lot easier to go before the conservation commission and say, "Hey,

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we have trees that we want to clear. we have a plan for how we're going to clear them, how we're going to avoid uh wetland impacts, how we're going to minimize, you know, impacts to these wetlands. And it's it's a a lot easier permitting process. So, and you know, this is typical across, you know, all

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the airports um across the state of Massachusetts. They have um these things. So, let's see. Um you also attached to this similar to the easement acquisition project you also have a draft scope of services for the

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vegetation management plan um FAA is not contributing funding to this project so they are not involved again it'll be 100% mass DOT this um scope of services as presented to you this evening um has been sent to

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U Mass DOT for their review. I I haven't received concurrence on it, but these revisions are based on comments that we've received throughout the scoping process and additional comments that they've provided along the way. Um, so you know, as soon as I hear back from

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them, I'll let everybody know um, you know, when when it's good to go. Hopefully, they'll give the thumbs up or final comments before we get into the June meeting and then we can actually go over what's considered final from the states and the FAA's perspective on both

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of these scopes. What other small airports are uh you currently working with that are doing the same thing with the >> um I believe um so every air should I say this on the camera but um every

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airport that we work with Gail Associates work with other than gardener has a vegetation management plan that has either been developed recently or has been in place for many years and so periodically so what you'll also get as part of the vegetation management plan

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is you'll get a five-year what's called a yearly operational plan. And so that will identify basically the the vegetation management activities that should be um conducted in each year. And again, that's part of um the capital

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improvement planning process and having the state aware of what funding might be necessary to help the airport to keep up with things um if needed. And then they will periodically every five years they will they will pay for an update and those are typically funded at 100% as

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well. We're we're actually doing um this year we're also doing a yearly operational plan update for the Mansfield airport just as an example. So going through and doing their fiveyear plan again um and so that that will come up periodically. But it's a really

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really useful tool. It helps like I said with permitting. helps with planning for capital improvements. And as far as I know right now, unless something changes, these plans are covered at 100% state funding. So, it's it's a win-win. >> Nice. >> Um,

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I'll leave you again with this scope of services just to peruse over the next, you know, the next few weeks. Again, questions, comments, concerns that you have. Call me any time. Um, but I just wanted to get everything in front of you

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all as soon as possible. any concerns or questions that I can answer now? >> And that goes in conjunction with the fencing plan, too. >> Uh the f So, the fence was the fence plan is not um we're not doing any

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permitting or anything. All we did was we vetted the fence line through the environmental process. And that's when we were talking about the historical things and what's I I know I know what's located where and where the fence line is going and avoiding certain things.

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So, we really won't get back into that type of a discussion until we are scoping a fence design project. So, we're we're at kind of at at the stopping point right now with the fence. Um, and I believe and of course I don't

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have your capital improvement plan with me tonight. I believe it is on the capital improvement plan, the fence project that is um a few years down the road. But really the focus, you know, FA wants to see FA is going to want to see the trees come down before they find

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anything else is basically the long. Yeah. >> How about a definition for this lovely word aigation, which I cannot find in the dictionary, please? I know what it means, but tell me. It's a common term and and it's a common term for an

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airspace navigation easement. So, it's it's effectively an airspace easement. Um, but they call it a navigation air navigation easement. >> Question, Jackie, on the uh fencing thing. >> Yeah. If and when that does

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whenever that comes up, are we going to kind of like take a little nature stroll, see where the go? >> Oh, yeah. Absolut absolutely. So, so, so it is it is going on to the airport layout plan um as we discussed as part

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of the environmental process and coordinating with Mass Historical Commission. But we'll certainly part part of that process will be especially in that area staking out that fence line and determining exactly where um that

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will go and then you know again completely understand you know the feelings on it but um coordinating with Mass Historical Commission to get their their official approval. This is where the fence is going and yes we're good with it. Um so yeah so that will all

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happen. So just because you see it laid out and maybe on the airport layout plan it's not precisely where you know the ideal spot would be there's an opportunity to discuss when we're doing design and permitting um you know

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shifting it here or there a little bit um you know where where that might be needed. >> Understood. >> Yeah. Any other >> I have none. >> Okay. Um, if it is acceptable uh to all of

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you, I uh with the rain, I would like to try to get home. I'm not so good at seeing in the uh in the rain at night. Um, does anyone need a copy of my business card? Um, do you have my contact information? >> I I know Isabelle.

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>> You gave me one I think two months ago. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Anything anything that comes out, call me. My cell phone number's on there. Um, call me, email me, and you know, I want to make sure that everyone's concerns are being addressed as they come. >> Okay. >> You got a rain coat?

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>> I have an umbrella and a warm coat. >> I know. Just out there, that's for sure. >> Okay, everybody set? >> Yes. >> Thank you all so much. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Have a good night, everybody. Bye. Okay.

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>> Have a good night. I'll talk to you soon. Yep. The um next thing was the RC club. Did you get a copy of the minute of the rendition special minutes all about this airport?

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Yeah, that's why. Let's see. Okay, it was mentioned made of what was two things. One was the uh look There were two things that they had

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questions on. One was that they wanted to be able to if this does not work out, back out for time spent only. >> You're talking about the club itself wants to back out. Whether you >> if they want to back out the wherewithal

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to back out if they choose to. Is that what you're saying? >> Well, if it's not working out, they don't want to be committed to the $2,000 if they >> if it's a month down the road or two months down the road. I believe it was well we haven't 3500 was the amount that

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was being asked for and uh they asked if there was a clause in there where they could bail if they needed to because it wasn't working out had no charge. In other words, >> time

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this agreement is set up for what period of time? one year. But the, you know, I don't know. And that that was one question they had >> that's not very business-like. I don't know why the hell they're going to put us through all this effort and decision

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making and meetings and then they want to be able to back out at a moment's notice. I would say a year happens pretty quick. And I'm I would probably say let's not go down that road. Let's just we can get out of here. the first year >> they wanted it written into the

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agreement. >> I understand. I'm saying >> because if they can't use the airport for one reason or another, they don't want to be roped into it. >> You mean there outside of the commission that would cause them to be told they can't do it?

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>> I don't know. Yes. Well, possibly yes, but I don't know. I mean, I haven't I haven't got anything. I've I've sent it to the mayor and asked him about the solicitor and I haven't heard back. And that was after the meeting.

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And the the other question that they had was the um one year and $3,500 is not very much of a commitment for God's sakes. No, we should probably keep the

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>> Well, I think that they uh >> it was quite a bit of effort like you said. >> For God's sakes, we're close through all this shine. >> We've been talking about it since December and every after every meeting about a week later I get, oh, we've got

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to add this in or we got to add that in or we got to do this. >> Let's keep our lives simple and just say, you know, we're done with that. Jim question. So what was who said what about being added? The only thing I emailed you was we didn't put in

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anything about life when life comes in on arrival in the cart that they can't fly. That's the only thing I sent you. >> Yeah. Well, there was also the question about the u bailing out. That was their question. >> Yeah. Okay. And uh

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>> isn't it true that uh if if some Cessna comes flying in here and there's all these RC's flying around the airport and the Cessna makes an approach and you know does the downwind and the crosswind. >> Aren't these guys going to get the hell out of the way and

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>> they have to put their equipment on the ground? >> They have to. Yep. >> How's that different from Lifelock? Well, when life likes helicopter sitting out here for an hour and a half or however long it is when they run the G Vegas hospital and then come back that thing we don't want the jets to fly

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around and potentially maybe smash into that helicopter >> while sitting there. >> Yeah, that's the only thing I was concerned about. I don't Anybody else got anything different to say? I mean, I'm just curious. >> Well, if I would say if uh Lifellight is active and there's something going on and the rotor is spinning, uh they ought

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to shut it down anyway. They will. I'm pretty sure of that. >> Putting in a helipad at the hospital. >> And they have a helipad at the hospital. I don't know if it's been approved yet. >> Not yet, but it's under construction. >> Wow. >> I think we've given these guys enough.

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They've had the paint now. And somebody has raised the question that did they get FAA approval and I don't know if that has happened or not. Um they have landed the helicopter to prove the concept there and um

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>> it only makes sense. >> Well, yeah, but some of it makes sense, some of it doesn't. Usually when they are um the the liability is on the RC club if

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they are flying around and they're here. Same as it is with any other airplane that's here. >> Sure. So, I mean, that's why I didn't see necessarily cuz they're not the only time they're if they're running, they

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shouldn't be flying, which is the same as it would be for anybody else that's here on the airport. If they're going to taxi out or anything like that and they're running, they're going to be on the ground. And that's why you have a spotter and we quote air

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boss type thing. >> I was just saying we didn't put anything. We didn't even talk about life with the with the >> Well, yeah, because they're just another they're just another aircraft is the way I look at it. >> Okay. >> Because uh I don't think they're going

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to be using much anymore. >> Probably not. They get a kilo pad at the garden getting ready to be approved. Yeah. Understood. That's a better place for it anyway cuz >> Well, we I don't know if the neighbors have chimed in. They tried to do that simply >> hospital now.

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>> Yeah. I think he talked about a heel pad being put at guard to hospital. So chance of them coming in here long. >> It was you got here again the alphabet soup of everybody that's around there because originally the the reason they wouldn't let them was because any kind

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of a landing zone was going to be in the waterhed and that the if they had a fuel spill or anything else they would have uh it would be a problem for the drinking water. And then the other thing is the neighbors. And I don't know if

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any neighbors have chimed in because when Simplist tried to do it in his buildings that he owns, they shut them down and uh with them even though they weren't flying over any houses or anything like that. They were coming up

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over the factories from Route Two and they were going to land on the property. >> Okay. But David solved that problem because he hasn't got a helicopter. So, we don't have to worry about him landing. >> I don't think we need to create special language that that determines what

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happens to uh this helicopter operation in the event that these guys are here flying their toys. >> I mean, it shuts them down. >> It shuts them down just as a regular airplane would. And enough is enough. >> It does. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's all I'm saying. It's kind of covered because unless somebody the

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insurance company comes back and says something I don't I don't or a lifelight >> and lifellight lands some pretty dangerous places. >> Yeah. >> Highways mostly but they uh >> So has the question been answered?

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>> I don't know. >> You tell me. You've heard all the you've heard the two questions and you does you think that the document that we produce? My opinion is that subject has been covered by the language as it exists already. >> That's why I did it the way I did. >> Okay.

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>> And that's why I'm checking with >> I don't know Isabel thing, but >> it's fine. Just send it. Well, I got two and then the uh there's some other Well, no, there isn't

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any other thing other than the uh the bailout thing and I didn't know what you thought about that. In other words, if if we keep if they feel for some reason there was something that but they the only contingency would be

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that the container would have to be removed too which is okay. >> It's on them. >> But that's on them. >> Well, if I was to leave this tie down ramp, if I had an airplane tied out there and I already paid it for the year and I leave in 3 months, I'm out of that

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money. I'm not going to go to the city and ask for it back. They probably won't give it to me. So, I would say that like Dave said, no. >> Well, do you want to get a quarter or something? If they pay it in quarter, >> that's why they asked it. They they want to be on the hook for the

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>> $2,000 if in 3 months. >> When I pay my my hanger fee or a tie down fee, I pay a lump sum right there at the city hall on on in July when I get the paperwork from the airport manager. I go down here with the check. I write the check out and it's fine. So,

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I mean, it's no different than what we do. It's just they get a club. >> So, they'll only have paid one quarter after 30 days and then if they want to leave, they leave and they keep the quarter. >> Well, if we put that into the document,

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would that be a problem? >> If you need to, it's >> they want to pay in quarters. I don't see paying the whole lump sum. Like I said, like I do with my hanger with the tie down PL out here. They want it to quarterly paid.

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>> Yeah, they want a quarterly pants. But I mean, everybody else pays up front and it a day. >> I can't afford it. >> Up front. >> I have to wait for my money to come in. >> Well, there's some cans to be picked up on this road, Jim. I don't know if you

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want to do that on the side. >> Moving right along. Are we done with that particular subject? >> I guess so. if you guys are what I was going to do was figure out with the solicitor maybe or I

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don't know to get some lang see what they thought on the language if there is anything that way cuz I don't know I'm not that up on that type of law of contract law but the

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okay uh Isabelle what's your how are you >> okay Um, I don't have all your guard counts and all that stuff. You have them minutes here. I'm just looking at it now. Okay.

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Did not see the minutes ahead ahead of time. Um, we have >> What does guard count please mean? >> It is software that counts uh airplanes on the traffic pattern based on radio calls and it's a calculation. So if we

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do downwind base final then it divides by three and it gets a count of how many airplanes coming each day. >> So a guard count mean why why are they using the word guard >> that's the name of the software company that has the software and it's on that

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ancient little laptop computer in there. >> So it's the count of it's the activity of the takeoffs and landings or the landings correct over a period of time. The problem and I keep mentioning this is that since we are on the common traffic frequency, it is not accurate.

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>> We get orange, we get south bridge. >> Yep. >> And >> what are you basing that on? >> I tested it. I tested it. I waited until we got a south bridge or an orange. I ran in there and it it was collecting

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the data. So, it's not accurate. Well, it was I think that's why why it was in the electrical room. >> It's only accurate if uh we don't have a common traffic frequency. So, I'm not even sure why they have it. But anyway,

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um let's move on. The fuel farm, we sold 432 gallons in April for a net of 266444, which we have sent to the city. Where's the uh information?

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facilitate the grant. Uh we paid Gail Associates uh $9,212 which was professional services for um obstruction analysis and so forth.

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Leave that along. >> A lot of people are coming in. >> What was the What was the dollars on the fuel and is that for April or >> April for the >> I think I have 2757 whole month of April >> is what the amount

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>> that's total >> I'm asking uh >> total and then we um >> remove the fees and then we give the net to back to the city so we don't retain the fuel proceeds we give that

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>> you said 432 gallons is >> and the dollars were >> 26 >> 2664 rounding Okay. >> Um, do you have the figures for March? Cuz we had the meeting was on.

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>> Did we not have March? >> We did not have March. >> Okay. We'll have to give you that next time. Okay. Tempers and like water $670. Uh, Romano overhead door was $740.

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That's $700 in labor and $40 in parts. We'll take that. Um, I paid for all the parts for the zeroturn maintenance and this next bill is

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$348.93 put on my cart. Uh, so the zeroturn lawn mower has had the oil changed, greased, new blades, new filters, new battery, which was important because the inside and a new front roller. You

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know, the two front rollers that are right in front of the deck had a chunk out of it. So, I bought one of those. So, that's had its uh spring overhaul. >> Yeah. Uh positive terminal. >> Oh, I forgot that. And the positive terminal.

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Battery terminal. >> So, that was your new diesel mechanic right here. Is >> that's what' you say? $348. >> 340. uh 343 and that's not quite all of it. I have to wait for my statement to come in and show that I

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>> battery was $25 which was $220 >> just for the battery was $25. Which door received all this attention? $740 bucks. >> Uh yes, the north storage on building

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number 10 all the way down where the zero turn and the tractor resides. >> Okay. Um, it wouldn't open. We had that discussion last time that it needed a brace on the motor. It needed to be straightened. Um, also

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the one ton snow plow was removed. There's an issue with the plow down action. Uh, Al's going to take a look at that. The concrete block has been removed. We talked about the bill and the fuel sales.

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uh MIT and RC club monies um to potentially be put into a stabilization fund to be used for repairs only. That was suggested to us. That has not been done yet, but uh that's with the mayor.

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Um Isabelle to take over MIT invoicing and not TAMS. Um, uh, being the city hall employee, I'm the only one that can do invoices and collect checks. And also the nots we

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talked about last time. And finally, there was a bear spotted walking past the field farm. Goodiz bear. Bobcat was spotted on the south end. A giant snapping turtle was on the

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runway. big one. Yeah. And he went across and over in front of uh number 10. But the bear that was uh that was interesting. Came up this way right here. So it probably followed the fence

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and went out. That was last week. >> Daylight hours >> 9:00 at night. >> So um What picked up on somebody >> camera at the fuel farm.

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>> Okay. It >> is all set. >> And um a spreadsheet would have to pass all those papers on. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Uh 432 >> 2664 totalus Kentucky. >> That's what we give. So we're quite a bit of fuel invoice amount that came in. >> That's the total invoice.

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Just being a wise spreadsheet. >> Yes. It gives you the net. >> The only matter if they do take the whole thing. in dollars. >> Did you see Gale Associates this >> saw that go by?

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>> So yeah, they like to they don't like that to build up too much. They don't pay it until they get the masked off. >> Yeah. $348.9. That's not all of the parts, too. There's there's more parts. Nice bolus

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of rain coming down. And that's it. >> Yes, >> that's that's the battery. >> So 219 to go with that. >> That's not included. >> No, it was 200. You can't I can't

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charge. >> Yeah. 206 tax. >> Yeah. Okay. So, uh, yeah, it's got a new battery. That battery was old. Those are just mis miscellaneous stuff.

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>> Okay. >> Anybody have any new business? >> I have none. Okay. Then I would Mr. Kane agree with me. I second that. Andy, you >> I'll

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