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Part 1 (Video ID: McOOI8jWzQo):
- 00:00:00: Airport Fence Construction, Archaeological Sensitivity, and Permitting
- 00:01:52: State Grant Offer and Grant Assurance Signatures
- 00:07:50: Motion to Authorize Chair to Execute Grant Assurances
- 00:09:44: Acquisition of Navigation Easements, Property Rights and Costs
- 00:15:44: Vegetation Management Plan Funded by Aeronautics
- 00:21:19: MIT Gravel Request Around Trailer and Approval
- 00:23:19: Snow Plowing Team Repairs and Winter Preparations
- 00:27:11: Gail Associates Payment, Fuel Cost Discussion
- 00:31:45: New Business: Implementation of Roberts Rules Discussion
- 00:41:56: Tabled Vote on Implementing Roberts Rules Next Meeting
- 00:45:21: Robert's Rules tabled; Jet Club Membership Proposal Discussion
- 00:55:15: Restriction of Absentee Members by Remote Participation


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a fence can be constructed in that location, but test kits need to be dubbed for each of the fence post locations. Um, and then any if there's any sort of archaeological sensitive material that would then be cataloged. Um, and that's done by a professional

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archaeologist and it would be completed as part of the permitting. So, um, MHC has has agreed um, you know, to this plan and so now we can move forward with finalizing that. It's really just a digging the fence posts. >> Yeah. Yeah. And there's, you know, other

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other um, you know, sensitivity that you'd have an archaeologist basically. You'd have the engineer, us go out and, uh, stake out the fence location and then you'd have the archaeologist as part of the permitting process go through and explore, investigate that

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area. Um, and then submit basically a permit application to Mass Historical Commission. um for you know documenting what their findings were and what >> go out by hand and dig around. >> Uh the the exact methods for that I

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think they're shovel test pits but don't quote me on that. That would have to be um according to the a scope of work that was done by an archaeologist. Um, so, uh, once we finish up that that CATX,

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uh, physical document, I'll forward it along to, um, Jim so that he can sign it and we can get it submitted to the FAA and we can, uh, start to put, uh, this portion of the project behind us. And again, this clears the airport for those

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projects, the easement acquisitions, tree clearing, and proposed fence um from that NEPA, National Environmental Policy Act, uh review, which requires any sort of federal action to be reviewed under this policy. So, any

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project that receives federal funding has to go through this whole review process. Um then so I know um it's a little bit a little bit later than they would usually send it but I the state has had um is converting their financial

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system over to a new system. So they issued their grant offer um the end of January and part of the acceptance um includes the chair and the mayor executing uh the state's grant assurances. And I just wanted to check

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in. I wasn't sure if those had already been executed. I know I believe the mayor had signed them and I brought a couple blank a couple blank copies um if people need to look at them. But but basically what what needs to happen uh

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with the in order to receive the state's portion of funding for the environmental assessment project um you have to just sign all their documentation. One of which are are these grant assurances. Um and the commission has to

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uh take a vote authorizing the chair to execute the document and that has to be noted. So I have a couple copies of like I said the grant assurances here. I wasn't sure if they had been received or distributed or anything. So I just

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wanted to check in and make sure that everybody had what they what they needed. >> Uh I don't have it with me. I think >> I I have I have I have a few copies here. So, um the blank copies and I don't know where the signatures stand is as far as the mayor's office is

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concerned. Um >> thought I saw something. >> Yeah, these are the standard grant assurances that typically get signed. I I have three copies if folks want to [clears throat] share. I apologize. I should have brought more.

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And these are again the standard grant assurances. They're they're very similar and in line with the FAA grant asurances that get signed as part of the federal grants. Um And signing the grant assurances will then allow the state to process the

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grant so that the um city can be reimbursed for the 2 and a.5% um state share which is a little over $5,000. total. >> You want this electronic signature or you want me to just sign them in? Um I

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think >> I think that was the one that >> yeah I typically these are handled through the city but I just I wasn't sure where I was from here. >> I figured I would just bring it up. It

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would have been sent by uh Michael Miller. Um he's the pl the chief of planning at Mass DOT. You got an email from didn't you Isabelle >> for from Michael Miller?

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>> Yeah. On the 10th >> this would have been um this would have been on the 28th of January I believe that it was uh sent to the city. >> Okay. I you say I have it now. Uh that's the one I must have at home.

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>> Okay. >> So I think it's probably this. >> I can check. Yeah, >> I've got it at home. >> Check. >> Okay. I just want I got I got from the email that uh you you answered his question which was where is it?

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>> You gave him an update. That was on the 10th of November of the February, excuse me. 10th of Feb. And what what project are you? I'm not sure which >> construction and grant one letter. [clears throat] >> Yeah. I

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>> this was perg. >> Okay. Oh. Oh, okay. >> I know. I saw something on it and I didn't know, but I haven't heard or seen anything from the dad's office, but I have to look at the one I had at home.

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>> Okay. Okay. Um I just wanted to make sure because it's, you know, you miss a target of opportunity to vote and then it's another month before that happens. So I didn't, you know, I don't want the um it can take sometimes take a while to process the applications. Um and

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especially with the state converting over to that new system, it's just been a little bit of a delay on their end. I know that they've expressed um you know frustrations over um just things taking a little bit longer than they would than they would like with the new system. So

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they're they're working as hard as they can to get things uh to get things out and processed. >> I think B is the certification by the commission portion of that bill. You want to take a look at it Andy or

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Okay. Um, are we ready to vote? >> I guess the motion that we need is um someone to make a motion to authorize the chair to execute past DOT's grand. >> Yeah. >> Repeat that so I can hear. So, so the

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the motion would be authorize the chair to execute Mass Dot's grant assurances. >> You ready for the motion? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So, and then baited breath. I'll make a motion.

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>> Okay. And we definitely need a second on that, too. Second. >> Okay. Um, and how do we take notes and write at the same time? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yes.

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>> Yes. approved. >> I believe it's a simple majority. >> Thank you all for that. Um so, uh if there are no other questions about the environmental project, I'll move on.

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None. Uh acquisition of navigation easements. So, we talked about that a little bit at the last meeting. Um and that will be to acquire property rights to clear uh trees under the airport approaches. Property owners still uh retain the use of the properties on the

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ground just trees cannot be allowed to grow or no structures can be erected um above that approach surface that will all be defined. Um so review the project with Mayor Nicholson on 3rd of February and we received uh confirmation from

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FAA. you wanted to just be sure that the um FAA basically the FAA would confirm that it's eligible under the airport improvement program which they did confirm and then we received a response from there on 27th of February um

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confirming his approval basically to you that the local sheriff funding would be available so then >> I think that's probably >> I don't think anything was signed >> no no nothing hasn't we haven't scoped the project yet. So, nothing could have been assigned. Um, so we're we're

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working to prepare that draft scope of services um that you know for for Gail Services related to those easement acquisitions and we've sent an email out to the Mass Department of Transportation and the FAA requesting um a scoping

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meeting. Um so, as soon as we hear back with their availability, we can get that scheduled and there's really no action uh needed by the commission at this time. just >> and the costs the cost for this project acquisition of navigation easements

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number two are detailed in that table there. >> That's correct. And these are these are estimates um you know typically we try to um see a lot of money to take down a few trees. >> Yeah. But do you have to do it?

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>> Well, it's effectively the FAA requires if they're going to contribute funding uh to tree removal. They require that the airport or the city has perpetual rights to not only go onto the property, remove the trees, but then continually

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monitor and maintain. And they want that um a tree clearing agreement doesn't satisfy uh those perpetual rights because once the propertyy's sold that you know tree clearing agreement dissolves that property owner and um you know you want to be able to kind of

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>> so part of this money is directed towards acquisition or control of these things into the future. >> My goodness. >> That's correct. and and and what happens is um you know we're we're not um we're not going out and just taking these

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things. [clears throat] We have to do a fair market value assessment um to make sure that the property owner is paid a fair amount of money um based on current market rates for the purchase of that airspace. So it's not something that's being taken the cost of the project

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effectively are the payment to the property owner for the easement itself or the airspace easement itself. Um you also have to have a property boundary survey completed for each property. You have to have an appraisal and this is all in accordance with federal

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regulations. um an appraisal completed and then you have to have that appraisal reviewed by an independent third party just to make sure that you know everything js and they agree. It's really about protecting the property owner and making sure that they get a fair value for that.

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>> And so the estimate is that uh $630,000 will take care of this over a 2-year period. Is that what they're estimating? >> So So yeah. Yeah. It's um it's again a ballpark estimate. We really don't without scoping the project. Um we don't have fees from you know sub consultants

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because we hire appraisers, we hire review appraisers, surveyors um and we don't have those costs yet. So we try to overestimate um the cost a little bit because we don't want any surprises. It would be horrible to go to the city and request a local share. You can see their

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total, you know, a little bit over $25,000 and then come to find out later on it actually ends up being more expensive. So we we do try to you know overestimate it a little bit so there are no surprises but we'll certainly as we develop the scope of work and as we

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develop the fee that all has to be reviewed um and approved by the commission there's an independent um fee estimate that happens as part of that scope development to make sure that the price is in line with uh the market as well. So the contract price from Gail

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Associates is also within those market uh rates. So all of that will be >> it also is recorded at the registry of deeds, right? Because it's a permanent attachment to the deed on that property. >> That is correct. >> So are we voting on this today or just

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just informative and to make sure that we're answering any questions you have as as the process goes along so everyone has all the information. Um so the next step will be you know again internally Gail Associates is preparing our scope of work which will then be reviewed uh

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with FAA mass and um Jim and Isabelle will work in that meeting as well. Um so everybody will have a chance to review the scope of work um contribute feedback to that scope of work and then um from there once the scope is agreed to then

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we can move on to estimating the fee and getting costs for that contract. Any other questions, concerns, anything that I'm not answering, anything that's being left out? >> Good. >> Well, yeah, I'm fine with it. I've been

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reading a lot of stuff on it. >> Okay. All right. And if anything comes up after the meeting, you know where to find me. I think everybody has my uh business card and email address and phone number and everything else. Um, so moving on to page three of three, the

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vegetation management plan. So eventually when um you get to a point where you have the property rights to clear the trees, uh there's a whole bunch of permitting that has to happen before that can happen, you know, when you're taking state and federal money. Um, one of the items that has to be

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completed is a vegetation management plan, which basically analyzes um, all of the airport airspace, identifies wetland resources, any sort of um, habitat area concerns and things like that and basically defines what type of

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cutting should be performed in those areas. And then when you go for your local permitting, it makes it um it makes it a lot easier um you know, you don't have to apply for like a variance or anything that's more expensive. It's just a local conservation commission um

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permit. So the state um Mass Terronautics has actually offered to fund uh 100% a vegetation management plan for the airport. So it's no cost to the airport. Is it just the wet wings or is it all of it?

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>> It's all of it. So, they'll identify the cutting. >> All of the approaches. >> No, the whole airspace. The whole airspace gets analyzed. Yep. So, um and not to get off into the weeds, but there are several different protected surfaces surrounding the airport in addition to the approaches. You have um your primary

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surface that's surrounding the runway immediately. Um up and out to the sides of the runway is your transitional surface. And then out at far distance you have uh your horizontal and conical surfaces and that goes out I think about four mile radius maybe a little give or

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take um and so that airspace will get um analyzed we'll do that as part of that and they'll basically identify um any sort of what cutting needs to happen um what type of methods can be used based on wetlands based on resources based on

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habitats and wildlife and all these sorts of things. So, um that is you know the intent of of that project and it will also give the airport a plan and I'll work with you on um basically identifying what areas of the airport um

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you can clear using your own equipment and then what areas will need to be contracted out by someone else and that will help you inform the um capital improvement plan in the future so you'll know what's coming if you are missing equipment or things like that, you can

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let the state and the FAA know. Um, and maybe they can start to consider helping out with some of those purchases or some of that tree removal and things like that. So, it'll it'll be a really good tool, I think, for the airport to use moving forward. And then what's also

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included in that um is a five-year operational plan. So, we'll look the next 5-year period and give you um a breakdown of what is planned, what needs to happen, um and what areas should be cleared or maintained and things like

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that. And then that 5-year plan um gets updated each, you know, every 5 years with a new plan. So, it's an ongoing, you know, living breathing document that gets updated and can be used as that type of a tool. >> Four miles. Yeah. Four miles. I can show

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I I wish I had a >> I'm just >> How's the city going to pay for that? >> The The city there it's the state's paying for it. >> Yeah, the state's paying for the study. Yeah, >> we're getting the study in place. Then we got to figure that'll tell us what we

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got to cut and where we got to cut, right? We can do it if we want. doesn't. >> So, the cutting the cutting itself will, you know, there will be a cost to that in the future, but the the actual plan and putting that all together um will be covered. And really, a lot of the

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obstructions that are in that large radius, you're going to see like things like hills or, you know, um other things like that that really there's no action that the airport can take to, you know, to remove that. you're really looking at immediately off of airport pro on

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airport property and off of your approaches what needs to be um done and what type of you know mowing and what type of equipment and everything else. So okay um so status update on that. So Monday we um had a scoping meeting with

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Mass for that project. We're working on some action items um right now with with Mass DOT. Um they actually requested a follow-up call um which is going to take place tomorrow so that we can just um

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respond to some of those action items and just get everything buttoned up the scope [clears throat] of work. And then so that will come again come before the commission for approval once that scope has been once that scope has been reviewed um and assembled.

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And again, no action at this time. just letting everybody know what's going on um and answering any questions or trying to address any concerns as they come up. >> Okay. Any questions or concerns on any of these? >> I don't have any questions about this.

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>> Okay. Thank you all very much. If anything comes up, let me know and I'll stick around. I'll >> stick around if anything else comes up tonight. >> Okay. Um Isabelle. >> Okay. Um

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I spoke to MIT today. They would like to put down some gravel around their um building. Um is it okay to do that? And is it okay if they put hard packed gravel, you know, sort of

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semi-permanent, you know, [clears throat] just dump it out and and compress it and pack it down. They'll probably level it and compact it a little bit. >> Is it okay for them to do that? >> Did they have any indication as to what size area?

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>> No, just around their trailer. >> They just don't want the mud in the spring. >> Do you uh >> since they're staying for the They would like to do that. >> Yeah. They didn't specify whether they're going to do inside and outside the fence. Both or one or both?

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>> No, just inside the fence. Oh, well, it is kind of money outside of the fence, too. >> That's what I'm asking. That's So, we got to I'll uh >> I'll talk to them. I'll call He said call me. So, I will call you tomorrow. >> Um the tall guy. The tall guy.

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>> Oh, um what's his [clears throat] name? >> U second here. Terrible with names. [clears throat] Yeah, just to, you know, keep their feet from getting muddy.

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>> Well, it kind of makes it keep their drones from getting all muddy. [clears throat] I told them it was probably okay, but I would ask the commission. >> Right. Will Bartlett will >> Okay. >> He's the chief pilot. >> Okay. Uh, I don't know if Kent Hood

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needs to he'll he'll talk to Kent anymore. >> Okay. >> Yep. So, that's that. >> I think we I think we need to tenatively we'll prove it, but I think we need to find out how much they're going to do the way they're going to do it. >> All right.

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How much >> rough estimate anyhow >> also? All right. Uh, I ordered some oil two days ago. I think I got in before the price hike today. which is over $4 a gallon. Uh snow plowing team Isabelle

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Rowdy and Al going well. One ton had a couple of repairs which Al has repaired and um one was just adding more fluid hydraulic fluid we needed today. >> What What was that on?

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Yeah. The the one con, the uh A-frame to pick up the plow with the chain, the uh the hook actually pulled right out of the A-frame. >> Right. >> And uh >> that was the first repair. >> The hook was wearing right through that same part. So, I took the A-frame off,

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brought it to the garage, ground it, welded it all up, put it all back together, and it's as good as or better than Fisher made it back in the day. Mhm. >> And uh we had a loose hose which was leaking fluid and that was >> plowing.

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>> Yep. Yep. Plow. So we've uh tightened that and put some fluid in it and it's off the plow. >> Yeah. That was this morning. We added the fluid and um that's it. It's supposed to snow again tomorrow night. Uh MIT is coming

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tomorrow morning. They said they're leaving in before the afternoon because it's going to be very windy. Uh, so apparently the storm is coming in. It's supposed to be 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. >> I hope it passes us. We don't get

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anything. Um, >> looks like a wet storm. >> I I looked at one I usually look at multiple sites. It [clears throat] said five to six inches and I >> Oh, no >> I turned it away. [laughter] I don't want to hear it. Yeah. Um, and

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then it's going to warm right up again like it did today. And the weekend is going to be quite nice, but we still have to plow and get it up. Uh we also need to refuel all the equipment again this week because we've been using it.

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Um the overhead door down in number 10. Uh the rail, one of the rails is bent and I'd like to get that fixed and the eyes are not looking at each other anymore. So, I'd like to call the overhead door company, have them come

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and check on that and also check on the motor, which and the it was very cold. The motor was making a loud noise. Now, I don't know if it was >> which which hanger is this? >> Number 10. >> Oh, the which side the uh on where I tracked the stuff in? >> Yes. Yeah.

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>> Oh, okay. >> And we have an estimate. >> You going to get an estimate? >> Yeah. So, the motor was making a loud noise. I don't know if that's just because it was very cold that day or there's actually some problem with it.

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So, I'd like to go I'd like to get that fixed. And um the automatic gate wasn't closing. It was having a gap, but I noticed today the gap was actually smaller. So, it kind of fixed itself. It

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used to, you know, almost be flush. So, but um you know, maybe the snow was built up on the side between the fence and the gate is leaving a gap that you know very ski or a small kid could could walk through.

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So I think it might be okay >> that's adjustable fairly easily. >> Okay. All right. And um what else? [cough] We pay [clears throat] Gail Associates $4,987

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69. That's part of the professional services for NEA and construction analysis. There's the goal. We had half heating oil last month which was $568.28

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28 and that was at $359. It's gone up to 04 as of yesterday.

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Appleton light power is 152122. That is probably the highest we will see. >> Can I see those? >> Yeah, circulating around. >> Okay. Okay. And uh those are the bills for this

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month. I do not have the fuel numbers, but I can get those and send those out. And uh that's really it. That's over to Jim so he can put those numbers.

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>> How do we get the oil? Does that go out for bid or is that the half mill so far. Yes. >> So it goes out the bid. >> I don't know. I don't think so. They just have their daily oil price. Um they

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do the two tanks there. Dominic's tank. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Can we get the oil cheaper? Say city. You have >> I could try. >> We could try. Are they Are they normally cheaper? If you pay within 10 days, you get think 20%.

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>> Okay. If we have an account with them, I'll go over. >> Well, what I would do is ask. Are we going to get We would have to have an agreement cuz Ch city to get on that plan, you have to have an agreement, please. Well, I don't know for homes. I've had CH city for years. and you get

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an agreement for uh they set the price based on your history and then they uh they vary the price all year long, but you make a steady sol made a a

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steady payment for the amount that they uh based on the gallons you use for a monthly payment and then they adjust the next year. It's every year it gets renewed and they adjust it according to what you use the previous

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year and if the price goes up and down you pay accordingly and they increase or decrease the monthly charge so it gets paid off in a year cuz in the Sony you always pay >> yeah I don't want to be paying any oil

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>> well they they that's how they flatten it out so you was part of that when I was trucking that to all these vendors. I ran it to Peoples. I ran it to Hulas. I ran it to everybody. Or it's just a they give you this big shmeal and oh yeah, you're

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going to save on this and if it's a if it's a light winter, they win. If it's a hard winter that, you know, you win. So, it's a crash. >> I'd rather just pay it. >> I bet I mean they they vary the price, but it's based on my neighbor. My neighbor does have a cheer s all the

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time. My wife would cheer Sydney. I just pay. >> It is what it is. >> Yeah. I I'll look and see if they're pennies and I just want the oil when I want >> and I'll check the price and if they're low and then I'll go with them. >> It's like going to a gas station, keep the car fil, you know.

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>> Okay. Yeah. >> I know. >> They must be a vendor. >> And and then you you you want to couple the cleaning of the furnace. >> Who cleans your furnace? >> That's that's a package deal usually.

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Yeah, >> we have to and find out if they want to do one-year agreements or multi-year agreements or whatever because I think they might not agree what if we want to switch you know

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here again >> conscious how much >> heating season's coming to an end. >> Yeah, >> that'll be something to look into for next year. Well, I think now is the time to start working. Okay.

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>> Um, chairs if you want to. >> Yes, I have a little my oil and they clean my furnace and they it does me fine for years. I've had different ones around McDonald.

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>> Okay. Is that everything? Is it all? >> Yeah. Did you get the uh >> Yeah, I haven't caught you on yet. >> Okay. Yeah, >> I will. Um Okay. Under new business and I've kind of tried to follow it.

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Now, one of the things is Robert's rules. Does everybody know what they are? I sent the copy simplified version was title one in the email and went to you guys. Um, only because I think we need

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to have a structure and we got to follow it and I think that's good for me, good for you and I use your procedure to do almost everything. Uh questions.

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Did you get the rules simplified? I just grabbed this. Uh they said if you really want to watch something that's run by Roberts, watch the golf commission. >> The who commission? >> Golf Commission. They say uh >> the city of Gy.

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>> They uh he's an attorney here in town. uh yeah attorney here in town and he runs the meetings that he they he says is legendary but he is very good at uh

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running the meetings they stay concise. The only thing is is you have to plan ahead. You have to have everything listed on the agenda that's going to be talked about and you know in uh in terms that you can break down to and have discussion, but

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everybody has a voice and we can if things come to a vote. There's a chart here on the on the quick reference chart for what debate is, how limit debate and stuff like that and it just gives it a lot of structure and I'm having a

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tendency to look at it but it's something that has to be adopted by the commission. >> Pardon? >> It has to be. >> No. >> Okay. >> But that's why I say it has to be adopted by the commission. Okay. if we want.

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>> That's what I why I sent the simplified rules out because uh I watched the what did he say? The the the Robert's rules official version is 700 pages long. >> But so how a question Jim, how much more

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complicated is this meeting going to get by following this Robin? I think it'll simplify it >> really >> because it gives a structure. >> Okay. >> And if you did you get these >> what >> simplified Robert's rules simplified

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edition. I emailed them today. It's right here. >> Right. And if you would that's why I sent them to you early so you could read them and see what you think about it. And the uh what I'm trying to do is make it so the structure of the meeting keeps

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moving. Okay, I have to read it. Did you read these? >> I did not see the email. I was kind of looking for it just now. >> It was sent out on >> Phil. Did you read these? >> Yeah, I read them earlier. Read them. >> Andy, I'm assuming you read them.

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Let's see here. >> And this is a lawyer that told you about these gentlemen was not respons. Yeah, but they they No, the I I've had the city all the commissions I believe and even the city council follows these rules

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>> and you can go more or less and >> you know it gives a structure to everything >> and it usually makes everything move along a lot faster >> because >> everybody gets a voice quicker. But you

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have to do your homework. Have to do your homework. Okay. Now, let's see here. Um, some place here. I saw something. I find that I think I sent them out of my other

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computer. They're not in this one, but uh What' you send him out Jim? [clears throat] Would you like [snorts] to mine? [clears throat] You don't have to.

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>> It's one page. It's >> like one page, huh? >> Yeah, >> it's two pages. That sounds digestible. >> It's two [clears throat] pages. >> I'll pull that back up for you. >> I tried to keep it as simple as possible because >> I think that's important. >> I [clears throat] think it's an important thing. I think it makes

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>> makes it work. >> 129. >> Okay. 129 Okay. Yeah. [snorts] What email, David? I I try to send you to I'll have to check you. You've got my

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email address, >> I suppose. I'm sure I do. Yeah, I've seen your emails. Y >> because uh >> you don't have mine apparently. >> I Well, I've got one. Hey, have you gone through the rules? to sub what I gave you.

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>> How about you, David? >> No, I haven't seen the rules yet. [clears throat] >> I was going to make some additional copies and I didn't get >> I don't think they're long. It would be hard to read them. [clears throat] Wait a second. Maybe some printed copies

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>> next time copies. >> Yeah, probably should make a motion to have printed copies for next time. Okay. >> Oh, wait a second. Okay. What's this?

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>> Okay, I got them here. Everyone has the right to participate in the discussion. Okay, I've got them there. >> Yep. There's two pages. I think they went out. >> Only got one page. >> There should be another page in there

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that right next to it in the original >> because it [clears throat] gives a qu for defense at the bottom. I uh I'm not sure why reasonable use of the English language and formation of sentences that people can

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understand might be sufficient to make one of these little meetings go along without getting so formal that you have I don't understand the need for it, frankly. I could I would understand it if it was a a large body of dozens and dozens and dozens of people, some of whom are,

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you know, difficult, but uh [clears throat] I'm not sure I understand the need for formalizing the meeting of the small organization like this. That's just comment I'll make. Well, I think that it it gives the

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u gives it structure because when that gets to be a debate, it it fixes that basically. I mean the stuff we're receiving from the state >> that's and mass DOT is already hard

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enough to read and digest and understand all the legal needs and uh >> well I think I think with this right here in this sentence right here it [clears throat] says everyone has the right everyone has the right to know what's going on all times only urgent matters may interrupt the speaker. So

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I'm thinking this is probably control issue. That's what I think it's >> well I think it's structure. >> Okay. Do you call it structure? I call you know whatever. >> I I don't think it's >> discussed what that what want to see an example.

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>> No not right now. I just uh >> David can No. What it is David can speak. Nobody else can. >> Mhm. >> In your turn. This works in Congress too. I've seen it in the Senate. just say,

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>> "Well, uh, we're not making a decision right at this time about the rules." >> That's why I sent it to you. >> I see. Well, I didn't see it, so I'm trying to look at it now on my little tiny phone here. [clears throat] Well, the question is, do you want to

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table it till next time or do you want to vote on it now or do you want to do you realize that I have two hours from work to come to this meeting? I'm just telling you right now. We could be here for ages.

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I had two hours. I I asked him. >> Just saying. >> That's why I'm pushing for this. >> I don't think it's a great idea, but No problem. >> Do you say yes or no? >> No, I absolutely don't. >> David, what do you want? Do you want to

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vote on it now or do you want to wait? >> You've already heard my uneducated first reaction. uh having heard about it. I I don't know why it would be necessary, but I will >> cuz I can call Jim Mory is available if

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I want to cuz we can he can vote also. >> Yeah, >> I can call them. >> I'd like to table it until next time. So I can actually sit down and read this thing and maybe unlike some of the stuff we receive here which is also unreadable uh I'll find that this is readable and

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have an opinion next time we sit down get together. [clears throat and cough] So my apologies but I don't have time to uh grab emails from Jim Woods during the day and spend the next hour trying to prepare for the meeting. It's a damn

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much I need to pay attention to. Unfortunately, I uh may not be the best member of this commission that for that reason. [clears throat] >> So, I'm I'm suggesting that we table it

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till next time, Jim, is what And you brought that up. That's your suggestion. I'm agreeing with that. >> Okay. [clears throat] But I have to have a second on it. >> Oh, I second it. >> Okay. And then we can simple majority. >> Yeah.

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>> Do you think I should call Jim Marcy and ask him? Do it, Jim. [clears throat] I doubled Dave. like he's going to have an opinion. You would think about this subject. >> Well, he he uh

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[clears throat and cough] Hi, Jim. >> Yeah, >> good. Uh, we're at a we're kind of at a we've got uh two votes for stabling until it till next time. >> Question.

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>> Just a moment. And you want to proceed, right? or no? Why not? >> Well, we should probably table it till next time. >> We want to table it till next time. They want to table a vote on the uh Robert's rules until next meeting.

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[snorts] Is that okay with you? >> Uh I hung up on pushed the wrong button. [snorts] Sorry, that's me. Yeah, I was gonna ask to put that on speaker Jim. >> Yeah, I gota put on how you >> Good deal.

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>> See on the side. >> Yes, sorry about that. That's me. >> So, please leave your name and a number and I will get back to you as soon as possible. >> Thank you. >> Hello.

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Hey, Jim. Two people have already indicated they want to postpone this thing and and so why are we asking this third individual regardless of whether >> because he's a member of this commission >> I guess both >> but yes and you can do it by phone I just got to get so I push the right

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button anyhow uh we can table it till the next time simple majority we'll do that okay >> table um the only thing is I'm working on my airport commissioners.

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>> Hey Jim, hold on a second here. I'm trying to put you on speaker. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes, I can. >> Okay, we can hear you. We want to table it till the next time. And there's I guess three or four with talking about that because I didn't get the rules in

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time to read them all. Study them. >> Okay. >> Does that sound okay? >> Yeah, I'm good with that. >> Okay, we will do that. Um, yeah, it was done by majority vote. [clears throat] Okay.

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Um, I don't know. I can keep you on the line. You got a minute? You can listen to what's going on. The uh Sure. >> The only other thing I did talk to the guys at the Jet Club >> and we're starting to put together some

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uh I haven't typed that up yet. Uh they were talking, one of the things they were talking about was possibly having a club with five members initially along with

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uh paying [snorts] $2,000 a year and paying it on a quarterly basis. and then reviewing it at the end of the year.

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And if they want to uh and put together a um additional um put a uh container on the property. Should we charge for the container too

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or should we just uh that's usually a square footage thing depending on the size container. I'm trying to get everything put together into a report and I haven't verified it.

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>> They are. >> Well, I mean, if if they're willing to pay $2,000 a year, >> I I think the container I mean, they're going to initially pay for the container, right? >> Oh, yeah. It's their container. They just want to store tables and

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chairs and stuff in there. Yeah. >> They instead of transporting it all the time >> for the heat. Personally, I don't see a problem with if they're going to pay us $2,000 a year. I think it, you know, as long as it's not a a

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huge 43 foot sea container, I don't see a problem with letting them just use it. >> Yeah. I don't know. I think there's a there's a couple other questions that go with it that I got to research on. uh because uh I don't know if Templeton

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charges for containers uh on site taxes and things like that, but uh I have to ask that question. >> The uh does anybody else have any other questions about that? >> Wow. >> I do, Jim. Uh who came up with the

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monies? I mean, this first I hear this. I know. >> This is what they've offered. >> Okay. Well, it doesn't say that. Here it says uh I need $2500 per year. It doesn't say that the club initiated a $2,000. We'll pay $2,000 to have our

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stuff here. It doesn't say that. And the new business. >> No. No. It just I didn't I I >> This had to This had to be I just put them on the on the agenda because I didn't know if they were going to be coming cuz I have to file this.

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Everything has to be in 48 hours before the meeting. and I didn't talk to them yet. >> Okay. >> And so I it's kind of an informed >> be new business for next month. Right. >> Right. >> Okay. >> That's what I'm trying to do >> about it now cuz I'm thrown off by that.

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But uh when it comes to the container, it's it's a move. They don't you can put one in your yard. They're not going to charge you cuz it's removable. >> Well, I know that, but I don't I don't know. >> Temp's not going to charge you for that year. >> So, uh they raised that question. Well, it's like somebody else sprays the

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>> there having that trailer. It's you can move it. I've had trailers. I got a container on my property. They don't charge it before. I live in Templeton. So, I'm just >> I don't I didn't know I don't know the >> Okay, understood. They're also as a corporation. They are very well insured. They have a uh

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I think it's I'll have to look on my notes. I was going to put it all into a into a statement basically a sheet that >> shows the next Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. >> But I wanted to just run some of those things by you. Do you have any other questions that I should put down?

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>> Okay. I think they should uh they are going to have to have a notm for when the runway when they're going to be using the runway and they're going to have to uh have they have two people or an air boss that watches and is safety

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on everything so that planes come in to land they can go out. I think I have other ideas that we have to put together for when they have an actual meat or something like that. I think there's a way we can do it without causing a whole

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lot of problem. But I think that's makes sense if what I'm trying to do is get a lot of the minutiae out of the way so that you can have something to talk about and not have to come up with it cold.

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>> Okay. You >> talking to Jim or talking to me? >> I'm talking to you. >> Oh, okay. >> Cuz you're the last one that had hit the floor. >> Well, I just had the question about where the money came from and I was telling you that they don't charge for for the containers or a trailer to be on

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property as your Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, I was just curious where you came up with $2,000 and then you said that the club said we'll pay two grand to have a club here, >> right? It doesn't say that here. That's why. >> No, no, I didn't. I didn't know that when you're asking Jim on the phone. >> No, I wasn't asking Jim any of the

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questions. I was talking to talking to you. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, are we all set? >> Yep. >> Anybody else have anything else they want to talk about? and you can the only

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thing is >> I don't think my opinion is to have someone who's not even here attempt to participate in these confusing little meetings by phone uh when we can't see him or hear him and it's uh you're acting as the uh it's ridiculous

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>> to the only thing I call >> it's ridiculous to I don't need to be interrupted the meetings are confusing enough as it is and uh the language we're receiving is almost unreadable as it is and to add that little element to

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these meetings which are confusing. I think it's it's no [snorts] way to proceed and we should have a rule as along with these possibly these other new rules where if you're not present you're not participating in the meeting. >> That's my comment.

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>> Okay. And the only thing is they can vote by that. It was allowed last year because they had some problems with >> So that means you have to be commuting communicating with them in absentia somehow. Right. >> And that's why I'm trying to clean the minutes up so that when I write the

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minutes and I put the agenda together, the agenda has all the items we're going to talk about in Okay. I think that makes the meeting even more unchable and hard to hard to deal with.

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[clears throat] So at any rate, are we set and I need to have authorization to adjourn the meeting? I'll second that. Well, I need somebody that

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Okay, >> this gentleman, we were just talking to you. He's not here. >> We'll we'll talk to you later, right? >> And I'll I'll fill you in. Okay. >> All right, Jim. I'll talk to you later. >> Okay. Yeah. Bye.

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>> Byebye. It is 6:38. We got it. >> Does uh Robert's rules uh the truncated versions of Robert rules allow participation? >> Yes, >> it does >> for the voting. >> That's why it's important to

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>> Thank you so much. Thank