We are recording. >> How is made up of his consumption of energy? He doesn't because he's, you know, he's been here for 20 years and we never talked about that. I would like him to pay for his
electric, but they're not split apart. So, how there is a panel in there and there's a panel here. Everybody got a copy of the minute? >> Both sides that I got. >> Yeah, that's not satisfied enough for
everybody. something involved the state just bring an electrician in it was yeah >> they didn't put it in front of the state or some worship
>> yeah I wasn't wasn't there so >> there are other Christians. >> Yeah. Okay. See the snow here. I don't see the snowflow stuff we talked about.
>> I didn't have a recording. >> Right. >> What does BI stand for? um acronym or something >> bipartisan infrastructure law. >> So it's the additional funding um
through the FAAI bipartisan infrastructure infrastructure law. >> Yes. What am I saying? All right. Jim, are we having a lot of drone flights this airport? >> Doing what?
>> Drone flights. Are we having those? >> Yes. >> And who's who's >> That's uh >> MIT. >> MIT and Lincoln Labs. Okay. Science guys, huh? >> All the science guys. >> Yeah.
>> Uh there are some people who are flying their toys. >> Toys here too. There's a group. Uh >> do we know what MIT is trying to do with these drones? >> Uh you name it pretty much. There's a lot of things going on. They got a lot of irons in the fire. Why would the
military play >> different projects? Multiple different projects. They uh need to know need to know >> need to know. Yeah. >> They also fly and with the partial government shutdown
they actually they're actually uh they were scheduled to come tomorrow and they went they uh asked about it and then he opened up so they went there. That's Lincoln. And uh if you're flying VFR in a private
airplane, there's no requirement to use a radio and let the surroundings know what the hell you're doing, right? You don't have to require >> So, uh there's no way we could as an airport start saying to VFR pilots, you must use a radio. Is that something that could be done? >> No.
>> No, I don't think so. But you uh normal procedures have it so that you announce when you're entering a pattern. >> Oh yeah. >> And if you have a radio, you have to use it. Let's put it that way. I guess >> if they if you dictates that, of course.
>> Yeah. Because you have to have it transformed and you have to be uh identified. >> I think this guy back here behind this hanger in the wooden hanger flies those tail wheel ces. He's never talked about radio,
>> right? Well, he's I mean uh he uh >> he doesn't have an electrical system, >> right? >> His plan. >> And he doesn't fly at night. >> The drones he should be looking out for the airplane. >> But the drones are ceiling of 400 ft
>> above the ground. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I bet they adhere to that. They're pretty good about it because they can't see them much beyond there. They have lost a few. >> Uh most of them are that way in the
swamp somewhere. >> They haven't been able to find them at all. But uh that's why I try and keep them over that side of the field because the pattern altitude is 1,000 ft. Um,
any questions on the minutes or the way it's being spent or we're working on? Uh well, my opinion with regard to the inquiries coming in from this RC shooting match is that uh a lot of u uh
guard rails and fences need to be built around uh the arrangements that are presented to these people so that we know uh that whether or not they can fly 24/7 365 days a year or after dark or
>> they're all far as I know they're all VFR. What I'm saying is uh you know they're asking for a lot here and this this organization should really sit down and go over item by item and say yes yes no. >> We should probably have a whole meeting
just for them because they don't have MIT has a computer with the camera in the in the drone. I don't think their turbo RC's have cameras. So, how do they know what they're heading towards? They
don't. I don't think they do. >> Most of them would have to be maintained in line of sight. I don't think they'd allow this done at the DC airport in Washington probably. >> No, they have helicopters. >> How can they stay in line of sight? >> They just recently.
>> So, anyway, my I just make a comment. What she said just now is this group, somebody should go over this detail by detail and answer every one of these questions and maybe add to it with more.
>> What are the questions you're asking? That's >> I'm not asking any. He's asking is there electrical power available? Are there any restrictions? >> What are we looking at here? I'm I'm looking at this question RSC group, right? Control the radio control people.
>> That's right. >> Okay. I haven't even looked at you just personal >> I guess long term that's basically just an accident waiting to happen. >> We have insurance but our insurance cover them. Uh how liable are we are if
we let them fly? Yeah, >> we should probably have a whole meeting just on that. >> Well, they >> I don't know. This is the first time I've seen it. >> Yeah. And they're they're coming at us because this airport is relatively uh
lazy fair and not much has happened before. >> Yeah. Right. >> And everybody else said no. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> I don't know about that. >> I'm sorry. I think these just random questions
you're asking. I don't think it's all the demands. >> No, they're not demands. They're questions. >> I I put it on the agenda if I'd known about it that way there cuz then we can talk about it after the for new business, too. >> Sure. >> Um >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, minutes to the meeting, you
okay? >> The snow plow stuff isn't in there, isn't there? >> Huh? >> The snow plow stuff is not in there. >> Well, like I said, I didn't have a uh I approve. I didn't have a recording for it. So, what do you want? >> Except the minute that is written. How
about that? >> Well, you want to add something for the snowplow pl. >> We did talk about it. >> Huh? >> We did talk about it. >> Yeah, but I don't know what we said. I wrote down notes, but my notes aren't as
great as what yours were. So, what do we say? >> New slope. New snowplow team at the airport. >> Wow. Okay. >> Okay. So, you want to put that in the minutes?
>> Who Who pleases the team? >> Say that again. >> Is that what you just said? There's a new snowplow team. >> New team is what we mentioned the three of us in the airport. And it's a pretty big deal cuz especially since there's so
much snow. >> This gentleman here is one of the team. >> Yes. >> Yes. Gravity Huff volunteered his time to operate the dump truck, the class B dump truck. >> Okay. >> And uh he's done a fabulous job here. And uh we we've had some volunteers down
here. Jim himself came down and did some shoveling uh around the the taxi lights and the real lights which was appreciated because uh just one other thing that uh you want to say it was overlooked. I just didn't have time. You know, everybody's uh kind of doing their
own thing. Andy's been uh down here doing the uh fuel fire, you know, help out with that. He being >> No, all I did was shovel. >> Oh, you didn't do the uh I thought you did. >> Your name is Barry. No. >> Huh?
>> Robbie. >> R O W something. Got it. >> Are you a pilot? I am. Nice. >> What else was that? The one after the mask.
>> That's it. So the minutes uh approve with the amended amended statement I put on uh new snow. Fair enough. Yeah. doing troubling
or clearing the You keep your airplane someh uh uh because of this recent storm 12 in whatever it was somebody plowed both my anger and the adjacent hanger and which is nice I guess but um I'm just curious
how that happened cuz until recently my my hanger was always left to me to uh plow >> well there was so much snow there >> originally it was >> so you got you guys did that is what you're saying okay >> and the reason no one's touched my
hanger for quite some time when it comes to plows is that some number of years ago the guy running the plow hit my which upset me. And so when we decided to do this plowing
together, yeah, Isabel Satisy and I down discussed, you know, what would be the best plow plan for this place, you know, and we decided looking at the lay of the airport that everything should be more or less pushed downhill. But we do have
some issues with a particular flower that goes to the right side. Especially the big truck is kind of a a pain in some things, but on top of that, we we put all the snow toward where when it melts, it goes right away. It's not
melting across the the aprons, not melting across the runways. When it comes to everybody's hanger here, um trying to do the best we can. I want to scoop the snowmans out of there before you get really crazy with the loader. Those fences make things diffid
but when it comes down to the hanger like like Jim was about clearing up hanger tent because the snow falls up yet. We're not going to go down could have should have with gutters on that building but anyway it doesn't matter. I don't think in any of the leases, at least I looked at mine, there is nothing
that states that the snow crew or the airport manager is responsible for getting and cleaning out front of the hanger doors. And you're only going to get so close. I dug out uh a trailer up here at at Micole's hanger cuz that was
asked. So, I went up there and did that. And I'm only going to get within 2 ft of that thing cuz I don't need to be crushing a, you know, 10 or $15,000 trailer because I was trying to be a good guy and get up close. There's no need of that. >> The main thing I want is I don't want my stuff getting absolutely
>> hell of snow. I'll worry about the smell myself one way or the other. >> That's what we're trying to do is not damage anything, but at least trying to get things cleaned up. >> That's it on on snow. nothing wor. We're doing a good job down there. Uh we
each got our own little sectors we do and then we help each other. So I mean pushing back is key here. As you can see with the amount of mountains of snow we got you have to push back. So that that's all I got to say about moving right along.
Okay. Um, the only reason we do it down the other hanger is cuz we own the other hanger. >> I um and >> No, I get it. These people want to come down and clear out the the last part of
that. I mean, she's down here shuffling. She throws her back out. There's, you know, she's out of commission. It's it it's not in the leases and I I know we own that but it's really the responsibility of the people that are renting the hanger to clear out in front
of their hangers. And if you disagree that's okay. >> No no I just have a vote with the uh cuz we've gotten complaints about flooding the hanger. >> I understand that Richard is the one that complained about it and I get it. >> They all do. >> Sure. >> But they need to come down here after
school and clean them further. I mean what's his name? Uh Cam does it. Yeah, everybody does their own hanger. That's the whole thing. >> Using a snow blow is really very easy and you just make a pass by it and it prevents the problem
>> because the overhang is not far enough out from the building. >> It put it on the ramp, >> puts it on the cement pad. >> I understand what it does. >> The engineering of it is wrong for this plant. But um they uh they've all had
water at some point because of the way the ice built up on the cement. >> Mhm. >> And they need to get down here and clean up their hangers. It's all safe. >> It's not It's not Look at the the leases. It doesn't say we're going to shovel out in front of everybody's hang.
>> We We do it with the with the snow blower. If it's not good enough and stuff drops off during a week and it freezes overnight, what are we going to do about it? But if there's nothing you can do >> and we're only charging 275. That's a really low rent. >> I mean, if you want to go come down here
every day and take the snowblower, shovel, but we're not going to This is like pointless to talk about. >> It's it's doing you get snow. >> Jim, >> yes. Thank you.
Come on. The um Okay. The minutes of the meeting. I need We approve the minutes of the meeting. I approve Andy you'll second from the last meeting.
Yep. All right. Okay. Um That's what we're going to do now. >> Okay, Jackie, you're a show. >> Thank you. Um, I'll try to keep it short and sweet. Um, thanks for your time, everybody. You'll have a copy of Gail's update in front of you. Um,
the environmental assessment obstruction analysis project. Um, you'll notice that the updated text is in blue. So, I'm going to begin on page two of um at the last meeting, we reviewed um any comments that the commission had on
the environmental categorical exclusion document. Um and it was brought to our attention that there were some concerns with the way that the fence line uh was positioned on that plan. Um and so
you'll see there's a copy um attached at the back of this document uh with the revisions that were requested of the commission. Um you'll notice that we've left an area open um towards the the 36 end. Um I
know that you wanted to leave that open for you know glider um setup and things like that. And then um also the area um behind the hangers that we had talked about leaving um you know making sure
that we left space for that access road as well as facilities um that were out there. So we made that change as well. Um what I'm hoping to do is get an approval from the commission tonight that this plan for the purposes of the
environmental assessment um is final because we have to actually because of the archaeological concerns it has to be passed before the Massachusetts Historical Commission. Um and so you know um to just to to avoid having to go
back to them um again with changes if we could just you know make sure that this is the final plan for the purposes of this evaluation. I understand that in the future um you know there there may be there were some concerns over changes if there's development um and that can
certainly you know fence lines can be moved as part of future development and um you know of course in the future we're talking about the archaeological area um that was identified in previous studies that will again probably have to be reviewed by an archaeologist as part
of the permitting um portion of the project. So um also should note that when uh we actually do move forward to the fencing project, there will be a survey uh that is part of that um project that will come out and actually survey the fence
line to make sure that it's you know far enough away from various facilities that that are out there. So there there may be you know minor minor modifications but if I could get a vote um from the commission that for the purposes of this environmental assessment uh the plan
that's presented is final and acceptable to go to the mass historical commission. Uh that would be appreciated and of course any questions you have I'm happy to answer. So, I see that you've changed the
fencing from east side. >> Yes. >> You know where that is? >> Yes. Correct. >> So, it's going to join to Phil Morris's hanger by the looks of this. >> You see the hanger? >> I see Phil's hanger. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, the fence is going to go right to his hanger or right next to his hanger. >> Sure. That's the proposal. If that's a concern, I can push it back slightly. I I don't I understand this archaeological
research what do you call indigenous uh archaeology areas. >> Um these are the ones that are highlighted by rectangles with the matrix of dots in the middle. >> Yep, that's correct.
>> And there's what three or maybe five or six different areas that are >> there. Right. There are yeah there are the two major um areas are the area behind the tea hanger and then the area that is you know kind of adjacent to the
existing uh fence line that goes that goes into the woods there. >> Yeah. >> So and and again if it's a concern the fence line you know being um you know basically utilizing that hanger and you know being in line with that hanger that's no problem. That's easy to that's
easy to push back. I can make that change um without an issue and happy to you know if we take the vote tonight saying that you know with the recommended change the um the plan is considered >> and I see you changed it on the west side down by where Poke's uh area is
down southwestern side. >> That's right. >> You changed that. I I don't know what the footage deep is or long or I'm speculating that it's a couple hundred. >> Yeah. And and what I what I did there was, you know, essentially we're trying to avoid, you can see there are wetlands
in the area, wetland buffers, um you know, tree lines and kind of just trying to avoid any sort of additional environmental impacts that um you know that that may result. So staying outside of any safety areas and um you know,
also avoiding those environmental resources as well. So, how difficult is it going to be to change the fence line if we need to change something up at a later date if we go with this tonight because >> So, presumably, I mean, this is this is really approving it through the FAA's
purposes um to let them know that it's been vetted according to all of their environmental standards. Um if the fence is constructed in this location and in the future there's some sort of private developer that wants to come in and invest in the airport then um typically
what would happen at that time is the developer would construct the fence line where where they would need it to go. um you know and and this is in terms of what FAA will accept and pay for um for for part of the future project really
they're they're going to want to see it um minimizing any sort of you know environmental impacts and staying out of the safety areas and whatnot. Okay. Any uh other comments or anything? >> I don't know.
>> Do you want to uh do that we those that are approved submitting this plan? I I suppose I mean it's like pulling teeth to get it changed up, you know, like
foot. It just doesn't matter. I mean, I just I just see that this fence is >> Well, they're they're trying to >> I understand what they're trying to do. >> Well, they're trying to keep it out of the the protected wetlands. >> Well, I wasn't looking at the wetlands. I was looking at over by Phil's hanger
where they're going right down where the you know extra you know that back road is. So the fence is going to basically go straight down. I know there's electrical out there. >> You could put it in back. >> Yeah, I could absolutely that's not a problem. I can make that change. >> We've already talked about that, right?
>> Yeah, I would. That's what I would do. I'd put it at the >> Yeah, absolutely. That's no problem. I'll make the change and the votes will reflect that that that change is being made. That's not a problem. And just to be clear,
the hanger in question >> Yeah. >> is this here. Just >> Yeah. So we can we can just kind of go down as long as we're staying out of that archaeological area. >> So just kind of a
>> No, you can have a seat. We'll finish this fence thing up and I'll ask you a couple of questions. >> Okay. Okay. Sure. Thank you. >> But they wanted it's like what do we figure? It was like 160 ft
from the edge of the runway for the fence. >> A little bit more than that. Yeah. 170 >> 760 170 ft. Well, you take 10 feet off of it for the light because there we wanted to make enough space make sure
there was enough space for the gliders to land on the grass. >> Yeah, I believe I believe the figure I provided was between 160 and and 170, but I'd have to look back in my notes. >> Those lights are 10 ft off. Pushing on that fence. Now, you taking all those trees down on that grass side or you
going to leave them there? >> The typically the the trees um >> you're just going to trim them where the fence is going. You're not going to get crazy, but clear it out. Nothing else. >> Um 10 10 ft on 10 ft on either side. And I can confirm with FAA whether it's
acceptable to clear to do additional clearing. >> Um it may may be uh for maintenance purposes. Um it might be, you know, more more convenient for that. Um but I can certainly ask that question. I think that was all pretty much cuz
they they have to do it from what is it? November or December sometime in I think November 1st through March is the time they have to put them in >> because of the clearing and disturbing
ground and all that sort of stuff. >> Oh yeah. the animals that we're trying to keep off the runway. >> Well, partic particularly, yeah, you're you're facing, you know, some some wildlife issues where you avoid um taking trees down during nesting season.
Uh northern long comes to mind, things like that that you have to if you're using federal money, you know, you have to make sure that you're avoiding the tax. So, at the last um at the last meeting, it was brought to my attention that that
cleared area is being used for um some sort of wider setup for things like that. It was a concern that that was uh fenced outside of the airfield that that area would no longer be usable. So we just changed the fence line there to
make sure that that area remained usable on the air. >> That's that path that's clear. >> And of course, you know, keep in mind that access points we will create gates and things like that where um where those things are needed. So you're not,
you know, you're not eliminating access through the fence there. You just may need a gate and you can >> there. Yeah. And certainly that would be fleshed out all during the design. Um >> so for that portion we need you asking for a vote here.
>> Yes. >> And again this is for for environmental review >> for their environmental review of this so that they >> we're not approving anything. >> We can move it to the next step. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And the final we can still, you know, make minor changes probably is the
best way to put it like a or >> of course like that location, but we're trying to get as much space on the other side that we can use for uh >> we don't want to limit ourselves with
this fence like Right. >> Yeah. can the uh because it's being done and it has to be done in the winter time. So they don't disturb >> what's the name of the project that we're about to vote on here please? >> So it's it's for the it's for the
environmental assessment. So effectively what I'm asking for analysis >> is yeah so voting to accept the fence plan as presented um with the with the amendment we discussed. Is that what I was referring to as it is as the fence
plan? Is that Well, it's >> part of the that's part of the project, >> right? And and the the fence plan attached to the update that this >> I think it's okay to reference it as plan.
>> Yeah. >> Well, I move we approve it, please. Okay. Second. >> Second. My question to you, Jack. >> Yes. >> If any or in the past any commissioners
called you or Gail and Associates on a on a just whatever day and asked you questions about things, does Gail Associates charge for those calls? say they're 15, 20, half an hour. I was just kind of curious.
>> No, no, we don't. >> You're thinking be like, "Oh, you know, you guys are my wife bothering us." So, >> no, no, no, not not not at all. Not at all. That's um we we prefer to take your phone calls as they come up. And if it's
related to a specific project task, we have we typically charge, you know, lump sum per project. So, we may apply that phone call to funding that's already been allocated to a project if it's applicable. Curious how you did that. >> Yeah, but we don't we don't know if you
if you called me in the middle of the day and just had some general questions. >> I mean, I don't know why anybody would call you during the week or anything anyway other than coming to a meeting because you come to a meeting every month. Correct. >> Uh yes, someone from Yale Associates. >> Unnecessary to call you during the week
to get questions during >> You're welcome to though. I'm I'm happy to answer any any questions whether it's project related, FAA related, funding related. That's that's really what we're here for. And um and I I enjoy, you know, I enjoy helping whenever I can.
>> Okay. >> Whatever you need, just you call me. I was just curious. >> Yeah. Yeah, of course. >> Okay. So, that was approved. >> Okay. So, the the plan's approved. So I will move forward with submitting that um to Massachusetts Historical
Commission and to the FAA. So we have to wait for a response from MHC, Mass Historical Commission before we can finalize that environmental cadex document because that all that correspondence has to be incorporated um into the overall plan. So we just keep
plugging away at it and hopefully get it done within the next couple months. Um so I'll move on to other information. the um acquisition of navigation easements. Um as a reminder from last time, navigation easement airspace
easement uh for the purposes of clearing trees from the airport's runway approaches. Uh we did speak with Mayor Nicholson on uh yesterday, the 3rd of February, to confirm that he's in favor of the project and that he will um he's
willing to allocate uh local share funding. Um we reached out to FAA just to confirm that the project would be um eligible for reimbursement under the airport improvement program and they did confirm yes. Um so we can now move
forward with scheduling a scope meeting that will include representation uh likely Isabelle um someone from the commission and then FAA mass DOT to um talk about those project parameters and of course answer questions and ultimately that will give the
airport >> yeah the approval for the >> so so that yes so those having those easements in hand will allow the airport to have property rights to conduct tree clearing on private property. property and make, you know, make you eligible to receive FAA dollars for for those um for
the tree grant projects. >> And the $25,000 per partial is going to go to the tree clearers or is it going to the owner of the parcels? >> It it's so it's a ballpark estimate. We go through an appraisal process. Um I would we would hope that you know would
may maybe the total project cost would not come out that high, but we want to be conservative with it. So estimating >> doesn't involve changes in ownership. It just involves tree clipping. Is that correct? >> That's so so it involves It it involves basically um the airport or the city
paying a fair market value price to that property owner for airspace rights to clear trees. So the property owner still has complete use of their property on the ground. It just gives the airport the rights to go in and clear trees and only trees that are above a certain
height. >> That's where the word navigation comes in for navigation, right? >> That's correct. Yes. >> Yeah. They'll top trees. So they give us our what was it? 3%. >> What if that word is in the dictionary somewhere?
>> Oh yeah. FA dictionary. That's for sure. But there uh yeah there's nine parcels that they want to do. >> Yeah. >> Both approaches. >> It was 13 parcels if we wanted. It's this is just the
>> the v it's for the visual approaches and that's and that's what FAA has has agreed that they would >> told the mayor there were nine >> there's nine parcels I'd have to look at it >> nine parcels nine um private parcels that have trees
>> most of them are on this end I believe and then that end has got the ones well there's a patch in the middle of a swamp out there and then there's another one on the other end that has to be brought Yeah, I apologize. I I didn't um I didn't bring the um the tree clearing um
the tree plans for me this evening, but happy to provide those again um to anyone that needs them. >> Yeah, I've got I've got them here. >> Yeah. Obstructions. >> Okay. Um so if there any other questions on the easements
hearing none, I will I will move along. Um this last um vegetation management plan on page three of three just really um an FYI for everybody um as part of a tree clearing process and permitting and
all those things. Uh Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act requires effectively that the airport have a vegetation management plan in place and the Mass Department of Transportation has actually offered to cover development of a vegetation management
plan for the airport at 100% uh state funding. So, just wanted to give everybody that that good news and um you know, we'll be looking to you know, get a scoping meeting um and things like that um scheduled. >> And who's going to pro who's going to provide or write up this vegetation
management plan? >> So, it will be uh Gail Associates in combination with um an environmental subconsent. >> Yes. likely likely a consultant that has experience um on the air force. So um
we've we've coordinated in the past with GZA Geo Environmental, but again without having scoped the project um you know you would determine >> that's the stuff basically red. >> Yes,
>> that's right. You can work that if you want to the um 100% sure >> that's just to put the plan in place, right? Just the planning of it.
>> So, so the Yeah, the vegetation management plan. >> It's not planning for the kind of >> No, no, no. It's it's a it's um it's a document basically that reviews all of the airspace around the airfield. Um identifies any wetlands that are around
the airfield and outlines the method for cutting in wetlands. So so effectively um you put this document in place vegetation management in wetlands to satisfy the wetland protection act and avoid the
need for a very costly variance process. So there's a special uh project status where if the airport has a vegetation management plan in place, you don't need to go for a variant. So it's um you know much more cost effective. Um and then that plan can be updated year after year
um as additional vegetation management needs to happen or as maintenance activities need to happen. Um so that you don't have to keep going for these costly permits every time you want to clear trees. you can just do a small um update called the yearly operational plan to the vegetation management plan
and then that will um you know keep keep you in compliance with all those permen. >> Okay. >> And they also cut the trees usually it's 10 ft below the actual level. >> So yeah. So so >> there's room for growth so you don't have to do it
>> every year. >> So so typically Yeah. So typically we'll identify when we do an obstruction evaluation, we identify trees that are um encroaching the approach surface and then anything that's 10 ft below. That way you know if there's a period of time
uh between when you actually survey uh the area for the trees and the trees t pop up or anything like that or grow more um you have that little bit of buffer. Um, and then of course when you go for the tree cutting, um, you cut anything that's below, uh, 10 ft below
the approach surface as well. So you just kind of give yourself a little bit of a buffer. >> So there's no vote or anything needed. We have >> No, this is just just forformational purposes just to just to let everybody know. I know when we talked about the capital improvement plan um, the
vegetation management plan was on there um, at a cost assumed cost to the airport. This is actually going to come at no cost. So, some good news from from the state. >> That's the plan trees. >> The vegetation management plan. Yes,
that's correct. >> Any other questions? Okay. Um, do we want to talk to these gentlemen now or I didn't realize. So, yeah, we might not get through all these
questions tonight just cuz we're behind already, but um and and we thought we should probably have a whole meeting to go over your your stuff together as a group and talk about, you know, logistics and
um all these other things and working with other people on the airport, you know, uh other drones. Um there's different groups that we have here doing some testing. So we might not be able to get to all this tonight, but we can
start talking about it anyway. But um you want me to just quickly go over the bills, Jim? I mean, >> yeah, we can do that then if you want. >> Yeah. All right. So, um we netted $44.90 for a gas. That's only $72
this month, but mostly that is because of wind. How much how much does that >> 72 gallons 40490 um usually it's higher but with the bad weather there really hasn't been too much going on. Uh Templeton light and
power uh the total is $1,430.78. This is the highest that it usually is. Usually uh January, February is the highest and then March starts going down with May. So this is really the highest.
I believe it was similar last year 1430 and.78. Um this hanger and this pilot lounge is,856. >> What's that figure for? >> 1,0856
is for the pilot lounge in Dominic. What's that? Electrical cost. You said >> electrical cost. And then the vault is 22388. That's the highest that I've ever seen it. >> Is that electrical cost in association with the heat being generated? >> Yes. Okay. >> Yeah. There's two, you know, two
furnaces. Um, >> so we're not measuring uh oil consumption or propane consumption. We're measuring electrical consumption. Is that right? of the the voltage of >> electric. That's why heat pumps
over there only. Here we have the furnace right there. >> So, but Dominic's paying for the oil for his furnace. Correct. >> He's paying for the oil for his furnace, but we're paying for the electricity for all. >> Well, that's sort of a balanced
arrangement. Maybe if he's paying for the oil, we're paying for electricity. >> We have our own oil. We have two oil tanks. As a matter of fact, um $56,828. I just filled up this our oil tank here.
That's the first time this year. And we also have Did you get that? And $549.90 for diesel fuel for our equipment, which is basically snow plowing. We've done a lot of snow plowing. >> What was that amount again?
$549.90. >> Okay. >> And that's basically diesel fuel off-road onroad. Uh and that's because we've been using the equipment for snow plowing. >> Great. >> So those are those are the bills for this month. And that's really all I
have. So we can get to uh >> how does that compare with what's anything in the budget still? Um yes, for energy and utilities we have about $12,000 uh which in which includes heating oil
and diesel fuel. So we do >> so they put the diesel in the >> I do. Yeah. So we do have enough in that budget. Yes. Um and that's that's about it. So it's tomorrow almost 25 passed
and we still have to >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And there's only one other thing we have to vote for the committee on for the offices. >> Yeah.
>> Why don't we talk? >> So welcome. Hello. >> Hi there. Hi. >> Nice to see you. Good to >> see you. Thanks for having us again. >> Can you move around so much? that works. Um, >> yeah, we're looking at the questions, but there's so many and we really
haven't gotten together. We really need to talk about >> we might have another talk amongst ourselves and then get back to you because you know there's a lot there's a lot
problem as much as you're able to see something the you know the 247 since we have other people flying drones around we want to make sure we can accommodate everyone and opinions >> they wouldn't necessarily be here at the same time this thing
>> right >> so MIT schedules their their days and they let us know ahead of time so you might not be able to comment on the same day that MIT is here Okay. >> Mostly weekends, but that's one of the
topics. I want to give it the time it needs. I think we go through some order. >> Sure. and we don't really have very method or plan for how you get us that information we can >> we would have to talk about it as but
like I said all our events are very reasonably priced and um so we can Okay. So, >> we should probably talk about that. >> All right. So, the question of annual dues is open. We need to figure it out. It's open. >> Okay. Something
>> and then there' be a question of I just want to go through order just to keep it straightforward. So, how do we pay and when will the TV do regardless of what it costs? Um, >> we have an online portal for hanger rent or you can uh mail a check or hand me a
check. I'm the person who deposits the checks and pays the bills. So, either way. >> Okay. And would you be looking for something on an annual basis or monthly? >> Um, everybody's different. Some people pay annually, some people pay quarterly,
some people pay monthly. >> So, I'm okay with that. I have a spreadsheet that has everybody on it. And every time somebody pays, I >> I put it in. In this case, who's everybody? When it comes to these questions and these costs, they're all
basically between the airport and these general friends. So, you get to decide whether they're monthly, quarterly, or annual payments, right? >> Well, vary depending on how much >> I mean, I mean, essentially looking for
a yearround. >> Do you fly in the winter? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you guys have applied, it's decently. Yes, we're doing a great job >> okay. So maybe that uh it leads up to the next question. So I understand there's some opens on the cost but at
least we understand conceptually how to pay. So that's fine. So we'll give you those details from you once you figure out right >> but what you know how much >> do you pay other people about others? Well, we have so >> yes, we have dues at different clubs.
So, Plum Island, for instance, I'm a member there and there's dues for each member and then a portion of that is paid to the airport and then the other portion they use for maintenance for uh the facilities that we maintain. So,
it's, you know, on the order of um, you know, $2,500 a year that they pay the Palm Island Airport and then they run events and they give a portion of the proceeds from events to a percentage. I don't know if it's a percentage or not,
but >> I don't know. But they they take back something as a as a way to continue to help the airport thrive because um the airport has come to depend upon the revenue from the Plum Island RC flyers. And so they like having us there and so
it's been a good symbiotic relationship to do that. I don't exactly percentage, but >> we're not trying to, you know, oh gee, you only need $1,000 a week, >> right? anything like that. But I mean, we want to be reasonable, but we want to
want to come back. We're right of course and you know the we talked about the events last night. Yeah. You know, to the extent we do any of those. Yeah. The idea would be to, you know, kick back something to the airport for sure if we're going to be here. That's lower on my list of
concerns to get through is a higher on the list of getting approval to be here and work that through you and getting access so we can start flying and we'll see how it goes. Um, okay. So, the next question on that list was what portion of the runway and surrounding airspace may we occupy? So, given the entire
runway that you have, where would you want to put us? Where would we know that we could go? Um, and with that, um, there'd be some notion of we need to set up our stuff. We need to be able to access it with our vehicles so we can load and unload and get, um, you know,
literally remove the aircraft from our from our vans, our cars, and actually set up without having to carry it, you know, hundreds of feet. In the past, the gate by the MIT trailer, the trailer that's along the road, there's a gate right there and then there's a gate up
at the other end. U in the past, they have parked on the infield with people who are doing the the flying their equipment and all that sort of stuff. Any guests that were coming in came in through that gate
over there mostly. And if they were charging an engine speed or something like that doing that, you'd have they back over in the field on the other side of the road. >> Okay. So, um, we've had that whole infield area, not not on the tarmac as
much because they will a lot of people, uh, we had people flying, parking their airplanes and getting out with their models, putting them together and going to show and then, uh, they
would pack up and fly out again. But um the and then at the curve coming up right near there, they usually had somebody sitting if they
were going to charge for parking or anything like that. Whether we do it or somebody had to do it. They were charging parking for guests that would come and watch what's going on or they um there would be a table where somebody
would set up there and be certain space that I don't know how you >> Yeah, the primary at the moment is for normal club members where we could go and set up and make sure we had access >> and that would be that type of a thing and the usually they were everybody was
using the north end of the That's okay. Okay. Uh mostly because the uh wind's coming over the hill. Very squirly. So it's a little less on that end because they're coming out a
little more west. >> Okay. And that north end >> that's a prevailing >> that gives us access to the runway from >> you have both uh yeah you got taxi way you got when you come up the hill after you come right out that building you say there that has two gates
>> okay one he keeps closed but we can work on that and then there's a gate here and then we have this gate here >> and we were using all look on the jet people for last night and where the jet people were And we
was quite crowded. We always had a good crowd, but we kept them basically on the east side of the taxi way. The guys that were flying and the
air boss and everybody was on the uh on the east side of the taxi way and then they would fly on the runway. So we had that buffer zone of the difference between the the space in the air for safety. >> Okay. We can certainly draw it out. You
can see a picture of the the runway and the taxi way so we could make sure before we start flying. But but that's that. Yeah. But they would um they would basically uh keep everybody they they had tables
set up side of the taxi way, but they were back away. So if you had a plane taxi, they could get there. And don't remember whether they had any in between the taxi way and the runway. There were people
going back and forth. They had plywood. They were using the the connector that's right by the hanger up there just that connects the taxi way in. So they were they were using that to taxi their
planes out to the runway to take off and we kept the crowd back >> into the basically even with the uh tie down area going up towards the fence on the other side of his hanger.
We had all the vendors were set up there and all the guys working on their planes. They would assemble them right there. We had a row of uh all um easy ups and stuff like that. And then the guys that had motor homes and trailers
and all that sort of stuff, they weigh out the fact on the grass area on the inside. So where those easy ups are or were we could essentially put our cars as >> well they were they were using the easy ups
>> as a barrier to keep the people wanted to watch them work on their >> right >> airplanes but they also wanted to kind of control the crowd so that nobody went beyond the vent went into the taxi way. Just thinking of the logistics of just
normal club activity. Put the cars there. >> The guys would carry well the guys who were flying >> would assemble this stuff and do all that in the easy ups >> and then they would carry them over and set them on the taxi way and taxi them over. >> Pretty much what we wanted to do.
>> Yeah, that's correct. And uh we were just trying to keep it so there wasn't any people that aren't familiar with aviation. >> And we had basically the the air boss
was taking care of everybody on the ground and he had a radio and would talk to the uh anybody who wanted to fly in cuz a lot of guys were flying that stuff in. They come out from upstate New York. We got a number of a couple of guys in twins and they come in full of RC
planes. >> The primary concern for us is not the events, it's more the day-to-day usage. Um, you know, you might we'd look at say one event at some point once things are settled, but the normal case would be the only the club members flying and so
forth. So there wouldn't be crowds of people coming. >> Predominantly on the weekend that you fly because people are off work. Um that is most often when one of the questions is can we have access though you know seven days a week because you know days off
>> unless unless MIT is here and using the taxi way or the runway and um they're usually here during the week so you know we just coordinate. >> Is there a reason why we can't fly at the same time as they might be drone
folks? >> Yeah you don't want that. Yeah, they because they're doing measured they're they're doing research and they're they're they're pretty protective about all that sort of stuff and some of it is
>> they have equipment that measures what they're doing and >> do they use the same all the airspace for the airport? Is there no side of the airport and >> over on that side? Yeah, but they they
do like uh we you see where the trailer is out there, they mess it up there and they'll fly over east of the tie down area, but most of the time they're
they're on the other side, especially in the summer. Is there um a primary contact for MIT that maybe we could talk to them and see how they feel cuz we would be predominantly >> over talk talk to me. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> The work that they're doing is for the department of defense. >> Oh, okay. >> There's a lot of parameters around it. >> No problem. >> Lincoln Labs. >> Um but like Jim said, they're over there on the east side. So, all right. >> But the uh I I don't see a big concern
with conflicting times necessarily. >> Okay. Um, >> I think there's a uh just maybe a little bit of planning um
would work like MIT uh scheduled a couple of days in this month so far and they but they uh they cancelled one they were going to come tomorrow but they canceled it. They went back to debits.
>> Okay. So, normally they don't fly on the weekends. It sounds like, >> right, it's all research. It's all only a potential issue if we were trying to fly Monday through Friday. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Try to coordinate it. See how
>> if there was a way I mean whether or not >> I don't look at it as a as a big thing. >> Yeah. I mean we get uh we we charge them they have the trailer they pay rent for that here and that's
how much and then they pay per day that they use per group cuz sometimes you'll have multiple groups they have different research projects going and so they pay per day that way. >> Okay. So, it's it's it's a little
complicated, but so long as we can all keep track of it. >> Yeah. I don't think we'd be looking for permium rates for anything we do cuz that's probably too much for us to manage. So, we'd be looking for a a monthly or yearly rate. Yeah. So, >> yes, it would be the kind of thing like
uh the guys that fly the model airplanes, the remotes, they come out on I've seen them here Wednesday or Thursday during the week. Sometimes >> they're across the road. >> They're all across the road over an area. Yeah. That they can land and take
off on the grass and they they keep that side of it and flying over there, you know. And I I said, "Geez, maybe I should see if the city would be willing to take a short trip." >> Um, we're going to have to cut you off
because it's almost quarter up. But >> we need to look at each one of these and we'll get answers for every one of these questions and then we'll forward them to you and then you can ask, >> you know, review. We just haven't had time to um to do this, but we're running
we're out of time unfortunately, but we will uh >> When do you think we'll hear from you then? >> Uh we'll we'll do it pretty pretty soon, right? >> So, we'll just form a caucus and have a meeting about each one of these questions and form an answer, right? Send it to them. >> Yeah, we'll get it back to you and we'll
send it to you and then we can go from there. >> Okay. So, we can maybe have a phone call or something. >> We may have some questions. >> A Zoom call or something? Yes. Yeah. I'm sorry we we ran out of time over. We had one more item to take care of tonight.
>> All right. Thank you very much for coming and we really um >> we would love to have you here. >> Yeah, we'd love to be here. >> Thank you very as soon as we can. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> My last name.
>> Yeah. Um, >> yeah. R O S E N Z W E I G. Okay. That's right. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Jim, are
>> we done? >> No, we have to vote. Okay. We have to you want me to be chairman or do you want that? >> We probably should have a change of
>> so what are we voting on Jim? >> Who's going to be chairman? >> Is that that's what in front of us right now? >> Going to be chairman. >> I like chairman but I'm doing my thing but probably have a change up. >> Anybody else want nothing to do with a
bad job. should be changed up. You know, I'm all about congressional term limits and this is kind of like one of them. >> It's only for a year. >> Problem I'm having. Huh. >> It's for a year. That's all it is. That's what the mayor wants. And >> asking for a change.
>> That's what it says. >> No. Well, I don't know. I >> That's where you hear that >> or see it or that's >> that's what you put on my my email. No, I'm saying that we have to vote. We have to vote.
>> Yeah, that vote yearly on a commission chair. I mean, I think that's ridiculous. I think by be better, but whatever. I mean, you guys >> I uh >> I don't think it's a bad idea. >> Well, the only thing I can say is this
consistency helps, but um >> Sure, I get it. the uh I'm I don't mind doing it. >> I understand. >> But I tried to get >> I'm putting my hat as you want to be
chairman. >> Absolutely not. I'm not pushing for any reason to be the chairman. >> But how do we settle this? >> Uh we could uh have >> I've been trying to get a vote for two vote for you.
Well, I'd be happy to see a change in the chairman and let him try it for a year. >> No, we got to try. >> So, that's the This is it. This is it right here. >> That's the problem. >> Yeah. And I tried that's why I put
emphasis on it when I sent the email. I think come to the meeting. >> Who else is in the commission that's not here? I'll break the Morrisy boys. >> Are you a member of the commission? >> No. You're a member of the commission and so we have I guess
>> we have a quorum. We're not that's not the problem. >> Well, I mean if if it's two to two resolve it tonight, right? >> Actually, >> was supposed to be resolved last month. >> But you're the chair, so maybe you can't
vote. So he voted, you voted, you voted, right? >> Is that true, J? I'm a member of the I'm a member of the >> Yes, sir. >> I'm a voting member of the commission. >> I would think so. >> And if there were all six of us were
here, I would not vote. >> I don't think you should. >> Well, it doesn't sound as though it's going to be resolved tonight. >> It was supposed to be resolved in January, >> right? But we didn't have a quorum. So we can't we can't do anything because
we don't have a form. We got a point tonight. We got four. >> Why do we don't have a written um paper on who exactly is the chair members of this of this board? There is a seat.
>> Jim's been functioning in this role for >> I got I got first my first day here. I ended up getting Jim. Kenny was >> I understand was sick and he wanted to get out. I get up, right? It's not a problem. I'm asking >> it's only for one year. Why don't you
let somebody else >> have a chance? >> That's why I'm asking for a vote. >> Because it's not my decision. >> You just got one. >> It's tied. >> It's tied. So >> because I haven't got I haven't missing
uh two moments. Let's see what else because uh so I think we got too much going on right now. We have a lot going on. Let's switch.
>> It's not like uh this is an international airport day one. This airport's getting all the attention it's getting from all these disperate outfits that are coming in because of the lack of activity here. Boy, that's what everybody that's what's
attracting everybody. >> And uh well, that's fine, but there's there's a lot of things that are coming down the pipeline that are going to affect >> Yeah. >> uh how this place is run.
>> And and what exactly is that? See, you know, I don't know. you know, >> well, you got you got a lot of air taxis starting to come online. They're out there. Uh, I tell you this, you're talking about air taxis. >> That's a pipe dream.
>> Yeah. I mean, one step at a time here. Air taxis, Jim. >> Just saying. I'm not saying that's not the future, but let's say right now, it's not Gar's problem right. >> Yeah, it will be. >> Okay. Sure. When pigs fly, it's probably
going to be a problem, too. >> Okay. >> I'm just saying. >> So, >> taxis is uh Well, we've already got life flame. >> Okay, that's great. I'm glad you're actually a great thing,
>> but I'm just there's there's a lot of stuff that's uh and we've lost um Barry and probably Sterling. Yeah, Barry was privately owned. I mean, you could have bought that if you wanted to. It's just nobody's got the money for
that. >> That was kind of >> Sterling shutting down, huh? >> Well, we don't know yet. >> Not that that's still the air. I'm just saying that there's there's a lot of changes and there's a lot of things
going on and that uh a discussion has to be had. But um the mayor had asked for a vote on the offices for the should there be you know we had for a while there we had a
co-chair and >> he stepped away right >> well he didn't get reappointed. >> Yeah. And who was that? >> He stepped away. >> And who who was that? >> Huh? Who was the one that stepped away? >> Get rid of the motorcycle. >> Yeah. Um Oh, Rob. Yeah. Okay. He didn't
get your point. >> No, that's not it. He stepped away. >> But um the did he step away or did he did he did he step away or did he get not appointed? >> He stepped away.
>> He stepped away. Jim, you say he got not reappointed. That's what you're saying. That's fact. >> No, he did. Or he did. >> I think you should let someone else have a chance. We've had it for three and a
half years. >> Well, we'll figure it We'll figure it out next month. >> I don't have time to this. >> I need You have to vote. >> Okay, Jim. We just did. You said it's a tie, so we can't do anything with a tie. >> Just document that. document it and
we'll come back next month and deal with this. Mory boys haven't show up. I didn't know they were still on the airport commission cuz we I've never seen a paper that says who the commission members are ever. I have not.
Yes, I haven't. No, I haven't. If I told you I didn't see it, I didn't see it. I'm not going to sit here and lie to you >> cuz at the minute I on the minutes of every meeting I put the attendees and I might >> okay I have all the copies since I've been a member here and I've yet to see a
list of all the members of the airport commission period. I'm not talking about the minutes or who is here on the minutes because I have those papers since I've been on the commission. It's a list of active commission members. So
just curious who they are. I know us four here and it didn't know. Matter of fact, I never seen Jim Morris from here ever once in a great while. I've seen it in the past when I was not a member of this of this this commission.
Just saying. >> All right, Jim. Are we done with the meeting? >> I think so. >> I second that. Second it. Is there anything else that needs to be addressed right now? >> I guess we're out of time. I guess
>> very good. Our temperatures are dropping, too. >> Well, just cold get any better. >> Okay. Happy to you. >> All right.