yep there we go good welcome thank you February uh 5th 5:30 uh there Bo yep right um I gave you a copy of the minutes from both December and January if you have scanned them a little bit or have any idea anything and you want
to take a minute to do that we can do that look at you see something that needs to be changed is here good
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[Applause] Isabelle you move down down here completely have you from the
sit recording huh yes oh okay you want me to start well uh yeah I was Da coming in I didn't want to get you interrupted but he's not coming in right away in
copy of the minute stve here and uh agenda I who this guy you joined no everybody's welcome at this
[Music] meeting all right I got thick skin sorry to be late late I'm going to go first we are recording on ph the only thing I need to do right away would be to the minutes if we have somebody make a motion to approve both December and January's
minute I'll make a motion okay um second second and okay um then we will go on with we'll let uh Isabelle go first so she can get her on the way home so okay good go ahe so um I've moved out
of City Hall and I'm down here full time which is Absol actually a good thing because I can be here more and uh my desk is in the back and we now have a printer that we can actually print things out and uh a PC where we can look things up and a scanner so I think it's a good thing I wanted to be here more and now I can be so um it's a good thing they moved the historic commission into
the airport office oh they did yeah and um they're going to do the same thing that I did you know back and forth between buildings um the old HR person required us to be in City Hall for a certain length of time and the new one does not so that's fine and um you know I've never here anyway so that's good e more um you know I do only work hours a week so anyway I now have a printer so I can
print things uh go system for January there you go jym great stack is all January January yeah okay yeah so we have we have printing we can never print out of that before do you have that in the electronic version all of this um it's on that old laptop yeah but I mean we can't uh
yeah I can send it send you a cuz usually you can uh download it as a an EXL file or something like that yeah it's it's safe I just it out they go back forever um okay so that's the guard system it's you know pretty slow in January with the wind that we've been having December January in the cold weather and now the snow so um that is not showing acity you know a little bit of activity but not much
um okay uh budget I have a copy of the budget and um that I can now print that doesn't show every detail for each line item because I can't get into that yet they just set me up yesterday yesterday okay but uh I have is
um c um anyway that's the budget those are totals so next month I will give you the detail behind those totals I just can't get into the system right now okay okay so that's the budget MTD stands for the acronym MTD mon to dat
yeah it's it's a tiny tiny budget flat not much on there um not much to talk about what we spend money on is uh heating oil diesel fuel and electricity that's basically what we spend money on and very little well uh vehicle repairs we do a few vehicle repairs which we're trying to do and uh Al very graciously is doing the work for
free because we can't afford our budget is so small we can in for and we haven't kept up because we've had such a threat budget so Al is taking care of the one ton um this month we're going to get a inspection sticker on the one ton just in case we want to drive it on the roads well we do right um um so if you want to tell
them what what we need yeah so the one ton needs I I need to get a pigtail because when it was put on a dealership fishing plow at Madigan they never put the proper pigtail on to make both regular headlights on the truck work when the plow lights are not hooked up so when you have plow hooked up you go to regular lights and when the plow is hooked up it goes to the pl right so that pigtail needs to be found
at least purchased or what have you and it booked on it hasn't been booked on that great headlight since day one it's not hooked up cuz uh yeah Kenny did that when I he wanted to help me out to switch it from the truck mounted plow to the sure to the pistol but to get a sticker you need that headlight to work even lby and when I did the circle check on at my garage when I serviced it all the lights where we have now I think it's a bre reverse lights out so it's
easy enough to fix yeah is that does that when you take the plow off that headlight works when you when you no it doesn't that's what I just explained you so yeah okay I just so when you disconnect the plow off the truck without that pigtail going to that right light it doesn't work it's disconnected it doesn't even have a connection to it just sitting in there in the bucket so it's it's an easy enough fix just going to get the pigtail for what they cost I have no clue I can't imagine it's a lot of money but
everything's 100 bucks today so I'm just throwing that if I can find one in the Salvage if I can score it for you know peanuts on a dollar hey it's a win you know right right well that's what we always try to do and if you can't give me the part number and I'll try to yeah we'll work that okay I can too I I believe I I think uh I don't know was there any extra pots down in the uh cell storage part I don't remember I
don't know there was a couple of boxes down there um okay he U keep in mind I have a full-time truck mechanic I'm going give assignments might fall outside that be helpful that's a win if if you have a task or an assignment I might be willing to take it and make it happen that's great and I'll pay for it okay so one
ton is is you know all fixed up so the very last thing is to get the inspection sticker and then I'd like to start working on some of the other equipment um you know trying to use as little as that small budget as we can uh which is repairs the reason I say that is because if something happens to the fuel tank that has to be repaired and that's that's actually more import important um and every time they come
it's $1,600 so we want to you know if something should happen to that we want to be able to fix it a big fuel tank something yeah if something should happen to it so um anyway you know the budget is small I'm just saying and we're we're going to try to pick away at the other equipment and see what we can do to fix some of that up too uh can I add about the stickers for these two vehicles the freight liner and the board the one ton they're both commercial vehicles those stickers are
$135 I know a piece I I think I don't know I didn't know what was involved in it yeah you need triangles you need I don't know if the fire extinguishers are necessary I have a set of triangles that I can you know borrow I Freight got everything in it right now I think yeah Freight Lin should have everything I'm assuming over the 22 or 3 years it's been an exist probably had some stuff we got to check down at the uh check down
cell storage there's a lot of stuff down there too yeah look you just got to plow around and figure out where it is cuz I know when Kenny uh switched it over but he was it it's I I just don't know what's involved in a the sticker and while I think of it the next time we have inspections for the fire extinguishers the ones in the trucks should be checked
too okay there's one in the freight line I don't know if there's one in the one t for the loer think so unless it's under the seat Lo has one the freight Shake has got one but the 350 I don't know if it doesn't I don't know if it does I assume it's required but I don't know I I have to look at I don't know and I might be able to it may be I might be able to take one of the ones that we have at the office cuz I think I don't know if it's a 5 lb or
a what's the next size down from the 5B 2 and2 or something 2 lb a bit too small um whatever you have in a loader is what you should have in all the vehicles whatever that I look at the tag on it I just bought two CO2 uh fire extinguisher for my hanger 400 bucks a whack wellow I've got those things are Ste I got a ton of used ones that we cuz whenever we trash your truck but get rid of it that has CO2 I don't
know if it's CO2 or if they're dry chem or what they have yeah the ABC is everything around here is ABC with the exception of the one at Dominic's hanger that's a big CO2 I think that's a 20 pounder I bought two 10 Pounders beginning of the week that was four that was 400 a piece that was $800 and those those are what the CO2 is what you want to use on an airplane itself if you use an ABC on an airplane yeah put the fire up you're going to contaminate all the aluminum it's just going to rot like
salt water all over it so that's that's the only thing that's bad about that but fire is a fire you put it out happy dayance take care of the rest yeah all right and the uh final thing is I had a zoom meeting with a a new MIT group and they would like to come here and run another test I told them that would be fine I ran through the security procedures and what we do and how we do it and uh how we put out a notam for the
day uh they are going to come here and visit first to um see how that would work for their test um and then they will let us know when they were coming they might wait until it's a little bit warmer and it's some kind of um they have a an infrared laser that points straightforward on a truck and
it's some sort of time calculations between distances like time travel so uh um I'll let you know what they say and they wanted to know what we charge and I said I I really don't know what we charge I said let's have you come this time and then any future groups we'll have to decide what we're going to charge usually there was I know there's a monthly rent that they pay for the uh trailer the trailer that they pay
that and then they every time they come out there is another fee but I don't know exactly what that one was I never found out from Kenny any like $1,000 500 what would you it would be I don't know it was I don't know exactly what the amount was I never really heard but each visit is on top of the rent for the Trail so I but they they come out for
the day is that right Gandy you got or Phil or Jim you remember what any of that was did that huh Kenny always took care of that yeah and I never I haven't I haven't come across anything yet in the old stuff that I'm going through but I haven't haven't gotten a big I just really didn't know what to tell them I don't know if I don't know if there's anything at City Hall that could tell us if cuz they've been they were really good about doing it all the time I know
that that's why I didn't worry too much about it because they were yeah I'm happy that they're coming and I'm happy that the different groups are coming and I told them to you know keep continue to come come anytime you want and uh we will accommodate them so um Yep they're happy to happy to come and they were at a standstill and their testing and they needed it to be outside they needed a long length of uh yeah they usually are yeah it's uh something about well the
other group was using the laser on with the drones and they were trying to get the drones to talk to one and the helicopter they had Mass St up here their helicopter they helicopter and this is a completely different group and this is another group that they were here earlier year ago I think it was they did ran up and down they had to get up to 80 M hour and uh they would trying to I don't know what they're working on but yeah feel with interest anyway that's
good news for us and I'll let you know when they when we plan on coming yep and that's it okay um yeah the only thing we got to do is if if I know about when they're coming up I can make sure that they get the not want y because that's real important that protects both of us both of them okay other than that anybody any questions or any answers whatever okay
okay um very good then the uh okay we'll go back to the G okay mind if I sit up here so I that's why I bring thank you so that you can sit when
you're comfortable I'll try to keep it short and sweet um you should all have a copy of Gail's project update for uh February in front of you um I'll just keep it moving along but if you need to stop me for any reason for any questions um just feel free to interrupt me um so page one project one uh the runway reconstruction um we were uh one outstanding item was the 18b aerial survey we did get confirmation from BL
Sky the aerial surveyor that um all the final aggis survey information was submitted fa for verification uh February 4th so yesterday um and I know that the average turnaround time for the review on those surveys um can be a couple months so we've received confirmation from Bo sky that they will continue to monitor uh that submission for any comments or anything um that requ buus update on their end um the storm water prevention
pollution plan uh we were waiting Jim on confirmation from EPA that you're I got something back in I was sick that week okay so I I haven't deleted it but I got to I need your help to make sure I navigate it that sounds good I I am on on standby whenever you're ready to move yep it's just the storm's are really no completely understand I just I just want you to know that when you're ready
I am ready and we have that paperwork back has I can Isabelle get out assuming okay um good yeah I wanted to mention that no no that's okay let you let me know uh we can get together at some point when the snow settles down a little bit and get um you know really all you have to do is log in and sign it and and we're and we'll be good well good um everything's already uploaded and and everything um for the swim so
that's good that's good to go on that y um moving on to the Master Plan update um really the the majority of the update is on page three of five all the other uh text is from previous meetings um so at the December meeting we had reviewed uh chapter 7 and the Airport layout plan and uh received authorization to pass that along to that mot and FAA at that time so we did that uh we received all
the comments back from mot and FAA um on the 14th and we were able to send out um and Jim I know you and Isabelle were included on that email um the final version or the you know draft final version of the Airport layout plan in chapter 7 back to the agencies that has now been uploaded through um OAA which is the airspace review effectively airports uh New England region administers the project but there are
all these other lines of FAA business that need to review um planning documents for different safety factors and and weigh in if there are any concerns so usually the review time through OE triaa I mean we've seen a minimum of 90 days sometimes longer than that um and so you know we're really just on hold waiting for FAA I'll I'll continue to follow up with them and PR them and you know try to get um updates as as necessary um but we're really just
on hold waiting for those approvals before we can circulate um that Airport layout plan for final signatures and then close the project out so thank you to everyone for you know contributing to the plan for your input and your thoughts I think um it'll end up being a very useful 20-year plan for the airport moving forward questions concerns on master plan the uh we don't have any uh well we talked
about how like the fencing and stuff like that the specifics and we can tweak everything once we once they approve everything that's right for each project yep that that's right so so effectively on your ultimate Airport layout plan which is part of this document here um there there are those several ultimate projects that were included and that were debed through the process um something like perimeter fencing um the location that's shown on the plan doesn't mean that that is set in stone
that's just showing the FAA and massot that yes this project is something that the airport ultimately in the future in 20e Horizon um may like to pursue and so when you go through things like an the upcoming environmental assessment that we're you know about to undertake with all of you um you'll fine-tune that project a little bit more when you get into the design you'll fine-tune that even more as far as you know where the exact Fence location is going to be how
many gates you need um things of that nature one thing um that is pretty cool to note in talking with mass doot um for developing your schedule of improvements they actually said that um if that Wildlife perimeter fencing is um vetted through your upcoming Wildlife Hazard site visit basically if it's a recommendation as part of that plan massot will cover the local share of that that project so you'll end up with you could end up with a perimeter fence
for no cost no local costs in the airport so that was that was pretty cool to hear from them um didn't we do that when we put the initial fence up all those studies we did the wildlife studies in the past and we can the impact studies so so the wildlife Hazard site visit is specifically I know there was a bird survey that was done at one point but that's more related to protected species on the Airfield as opposed to a wildlife Hazard site visit is actually
documenting and ranking the different species on the Airfield in terms of how hazardous they are to aircraft and and operations on the Airfield but didn't we do that when we put the initial sing you did not no did not no it was I think wow the only one I heard about was the was the bird survey yeah bird survey or ended species right right so there was there wasn't a um there wasn't a a wildlife Hazard um
survey that was that was ever done at the airport yeah who was I talking to somebody the other day they said they found always was in Westminister there were kids were playing around a swamp in Westminister and they saw some snakes so they picked them up and they were you know carry them around shown them to each other and they put back found I said they were brown snakes at the pond and somebody says what the hell was that
they were cads oh my goodness and they didn't get bit wow and I didn't think they were in this area oh yeah oh yeah there's plenty of them yeah and uh there's Timber R over around too yeah yeah so okay sorry no no problem um so the wildlife Hazard site visit um we're going to start geering back up with nework ecological um over the next couple months so that they can be prepared to come out in the spring and
do that survey it will be a two-day survey which I'll coordinate with you Jim and with Isabelle um just because someone will be out on the airfields doing um you know doing surveys at various points and um looking for wildlife and evidence of wildlife um and then ultimately a report will be prepared and if the um Wildlife exclusion fencing is the I guess technical term um is recommended as part of um that report then that's when the
uh Master T would would kick in that local share for the fencing so again pretty pretty cool um I I've done a few different Wildlife Hazard um assessment site visit type of projects and um typically if you have any sort of large bodied mammals if you have deer um you know coming in or evidence of deer it will be a recommendation in the plan that we've seen to do the full perimeter fencing so um stay tuned and you know there could be some exciting news on that is that still going to be a 5%
share or is that going to fall any 95% it will be it will be a 5% share because the the grant was already awarded um for fiscal year 20124 um so so that was just the only reason that was on hold was just because the timing that the grant was received versus the timing of when the ideal um you know couple because it's a couple day study so you really want to get the maximum possible activity when you're only doing a two two-day survey say just
two days yeah yep so they'll yeah so they'll do they'll do um two you know two surveys at a time where they or two days worth of surveys at a time where they feel the peak activity the the qualified um airport wildlife biologist feels that they'll be um Peak activity in um and again they're not just looking for um the physical animals themselves still look for evidence of the animals and burrowing and um you know food
sources and everything else like that as well so moving on and this is probably the bulk of the update today the environmental assessment and obstruction analysis project which we've been scoping with the airport um and mam fa over the past couple of months um we received a request from FAA to confirm the funding source of the airport would like to use for the project um if you
recall from past conversations um there are kind of two pots of money available at this time for airport Improvement projects there's the standard airport Improvement program with your um entitlement money that you get every year $150,000 a year and then there's the bipartisan infrastructure law funding through the airport Improvement Grants that you receive an additional um amount of money per year for a period of 5 years and it's I think it's been
113,000 for four years and then 108,000 this most recent time it went down a little bit um anyway all that to say there are some stipulations with that b AIG sorry for all the alphabet soup um funding in that you have to um you have to apply for that funding within a certain period of time otherwise the funding um is l Boston goes back into the pool uh nationally for other competitive Grant programs and what have
you so um the airport does have $27,995 of B AIG funding that will be expiring if it is not applied for um by the fiscal year 2025 Grant deadline so this upcoming deadline um there are three options that the airport can pursue um their first option would be um basically
move forward with um uh combination of bil funding and AIP funding use only the $27,000 and some OD dollars in B and use the rest under the airport Improvement program um that to be honest I wouldn't recommend just because that requires um two sets of Grant applications additional paperwork it's it's basically additional administrative cost that I don't feel that the airport really needs to needs to take on as part of this
project um the other option is fund the project with entirely with B AIG so the airport has um again the 27,9 65 that's expiring plus um three was it three years of additional money um that have been banked so you'd have more than enough funding in that b AIG program to pursue this project um the other option would be to move forward with an airport
Improvement plan only Grant and that would result in that 27 some, thousand basically being forfeited to the National program so my recommendation to the commission would be to move forward uh funding this project entirely under that b AIG so the bipartisan infrastructure law program so if um you know if you all agree when we put I don't think I don't think does there need to be a vote do you think anyone I would I would say that my feeling is
that we vote on it now because it's the March 3rd is when it's due yeah right it's probably wor do we get the paperwork done if everybody follows that process yep so and I know it's a I know it's you know it's it's a lot of um information to takeen so happy to take any questions that you have about the funding and how that all works and this is and the reason for it is because we have to do all this stuff in a certain order correct so that when
we get to the next level which is the final 20year plan stuff it it's all done just we just keep moving forward and start whacking off stuff on the 20e plan cuz the 5year plan's part of that 10e plan Y and I can go over um a little bit more of the details of the project when we review the scope for but um again just you know wanted to bring up that funding issue and make sure that um the
commission understands where um that Federal funding is coming from either way I should have mentioned this initially uh whichever option you choose the FAA is still paying 95% this year rather than the traditional 90% so you'll have the 95% um Federal money you'll have the 22% from the state and then the project will you know only cost the two and a half% local share so and
the if it gets turned back is there any repercussions I thought there was somewhere along the line that when you like on the B funding you turn it back you become ineligible for anym for a while or no just look at it you may you may end up not getting as much in future years because they don't see that you have a demonstrated need to draw that money down so I think the long and short of it is using B AIG is the recommended option from us I mean certainly if you
have questions with it feel free to ask it I would strongly recommends the B path forward for funding these projects and and so and just to mention too that AIP airport Improvement money will get carried over to the next fiscal year so next year when you go after a project you'll have not only your 150,000 from FY 20 2026 but you'll also have the 150,000 from this current fiscal year that gets rolled over to
next year so you're not losing the AIP money but if you don't go down the road of using the Vil money you would lose that um the the expiring funds and I know initially and the reason I'm bringing up is the initial discussions about this project had the project as an AIP Grant um so I just wanted to make sure that everyone was on the same page um as far as making sure that those funds get you know get used we had quite a bit in a total of D stuff
didn't we yes yeah 361 it was yeah 361,000 so we want to use and keep as much of it as we can and use it as needed so I guess um I would entertain a a vote from the commission to you know one one way or the other um to move forward with whichever option you know you feel oh I'll just make a
recommendation that or I'll make a motion that we accept their recommendation and go with what they want us such see that use the b a a g yeah a g funding what's that acronym stand for please b a
y bipartisan infrastructure law and it's airport Improvement Grant so so the um spending bill for transportation and um facilities and things like that airports have you know they it's the airport's piece of the pie um question yes that that money is used for what just improvements for the airport BRS period isn't that tree
clearing at the farther end isn't that what this is all about eventually eventually that's construction stuff so it's for all all capital Improvement programs or projects at the airport whether it's a planning study like master plan or fencing or Runway reconstruction or lighting understood and we you know we got the course he has HB building and stuff like that that we're all trying to get add more hangers and things like that are all always in the mix right and we're
we're just trying to get them to do as much of it as we can yeah and and really the you know when we're in terms of the environmental assessment and and evaluating the projects that we're evaluating um the FAA prioritizes safety projects above everything else so you know number one if you have any trees in those approaches the the FAA wants you know to see the airport complying with what has been agreed to under your Grant insurances to maintain safe operations
and things like that um so they so they'll really want to make sure that those trees are uh Paramount and that's why you know why they're a big part of um you know the instruction study is part of the environmental assessment and um and the trees coming down is part of the assessment as well um so it's all everything is all tied together you have to you know you know you have trees well where are they we're going to determine that that um and then what are the environmental implications of removing
the trees and you know mitigation and things like that um so you have to kind of go through these all these different steps clear it environmentally and then you can actually conduct the work and anything that's not on Airport property we have to negotiate with the owners of the property either which is topping trees sometimes one more time the acronym b stands for bipartisan infrastructure I know I should have written it in there I apologize that's that was my fault but
they uh yeah just all the hoops and this will go a long ways towards getting us down that road yeah what's the HQ I'm sorry HQ which oh sorry headquarters yeah this language a lot easier to read acronym me I'm sorry that was I I typically I know i' I've tried to be good about those
acronyms in the past and this one had just slipped by me so I apologize for that hey it beginning to sound like me I was overwhelmed with it when I first thought it it's Common Sense can't read this stuff when you encounter something that doesn't mean anything yeah I I understand it I apologize for that and I've never seen anything with more acronyms and the problem I have is differentiating between medical terms and if FAA terms because some of the
acronyms are exactly the same so I mix it all all the time so you're not alone Democrats agree with it too is that um so um I guess the next thing on the agenda if if we're okay moving forward is just a a brief overview of the um scope of work for the environmental assessment I know we've gone back and
forth with um Master T FAA I know um Jim you've been included on the emails as well um and we've ultimately received the agency comments um on an approved scope of work from from their purview so what I would hope to do is give a broad brush overview of the scope I will not go through line by line um to save you all the time um but but just answer any questions that you have and hopefully um receive approval on that scope of work that again has already been approved by FAA and mam um are you referring now to
number four you want to give a broad overview of environment an instruction so there so there's an attachment other piece there should be a work as well um to clarify we approved the use of the BP funding for this they send that off on the previous section right right right yes just want to make so does
everybody I have extra copies too did anyone miss a copy of the scope of work it should say project description with environmental assessment at the top everyone has that okay so again um the environmental assessment is a follow on Project to your master plan the goal of the environmental assessment is to take a look at projects that are coming up in the short term and clear them from an
environmental standpoint a Federal Environmental standpoint um through the National Environmental Policy Act so um the other portion of the project is of course that um obstruction analysis and so we will take a look at the approach surfaces of the airport um identify where trees or other objects might be penetrating those approach surfaces and causing hazards identify which are on Airport property which are off airport property and provide some cost estimates for removing the trees for permitting
efforts related to removing the trees um any sort of negotiations if there are off airport um obstructions that need to be negotiated with private property owners those sorts of things will all be included so that the airport has A Good Sense moving forward of really the level of effort and funding that will be required to remove those trees so that first uh port portion article B um item B1 on page one the obstruction analysis
um and we've just identified the specific um approach surfaces and and where they come in the regulations just so we have um you know a record of that so you'll see under Item B uh 1 through 4 and so again this continues with with those um you know items that I was describing um on page two ultimately what the the airport will receive is an obstruction study report that identifies
those penetrations and gives you those cost estimates estimated permitting efforts and things like that um so you have a good sense moving forward of what is needed to clear those trees and if there are other you know obstructions or penetrate penetrating objects how to take care of those as well um article C doesn't get used here article D Grant Administration these are all the costs associated with developing the scope of work for the project um coordinating with um subc Consultants to do you know
various Services we have um an environmental subc consultant that will be assisting us with um evaluating the environmental resources and doing uh some Wetland delineations and things like that because right now we really only have publicly available resources we don't have a sense of what is actually out there for wetlands in a lot of these areas um so anyway coordinating with the subc Consultants um preparing Grant applications to FAA
mot processing um your request for reimbursement so its funds get expended making sure that the city is getting reimbursed for those funds as part of the project um completing um you know any sort of other compliance documents and forms and things like that that are necessary including you know Closeouts and um annual Financial reports and things like that that the FAA um needs so moving on to page four um
public involvement this is um an FAA requirement that you develop a public involvement plan as part of an environmental assessment um the public involvement is is very important and Paramount um in letting the public know what sort of projects are coming up at the airport um answering any sort of questions and so this outlines all the coordination that will need to take place place under the public involvement aspect of the environmental assessment
um there'll be a public meeting once the approved environmental assessment draft um you know once that draft is approved by the FAA so that the public can you know ask whatever questions they may have and and what happens so um let's see moving on to page five this is the environmental assessment portion itself so that's when you get into the different um sections of the plan um where you will evaluate the purpose and need for the projects um you
develop some project alternative so similar um in the similar vein to the master plan except you're focusing on the environmental resources and maybe ways to conduct a project that could avoid those resources um or minimize impact to resources you know mainly wetlands and um things like that that would be around the Airfield um there excuse me yeah sure David you'll notice that the first line on the
environmental study of the a section has a whole list of acronyms they're the EPA is the easiest one US fishing Wildlife service Army Corps of Engineers historic preservation Army Corp of Engineers Army Corp of engine United States Army and shpo is the the uh historic preservation office okay just so you thought we were getting away from any of it oh
what is the s in historic preservation office state state state histor okay so no that's okay um so if we want to move on uh to page six so uh we have our environmental consultant that will be um analyzing the effect you know the affected environment um and the environmental consequences of the project um and then just you know um
your list of prepairs there's also an item in here when you get down to item L that outlines the different um points in the EA the different drafts that will be made available who will be reviewing those drafts um providing comments and and responding to those things so you'll have a first draft um that will go out to the airport to fa Mass doot and everyone will be able to weigh in on that um and then you'll we'll prepare a
second draft and that will be the draft that's for public release um FAA does have to approve that before it goes out to the public and then the draft final um EA so the second draft of the EA will be presented to the Public Public comments will be taken and then we can address those comments um in the final version um and so that goes on to page seven so preparation of the final environmental assessment um and then if
there are any changes to the projects proposed in the master plan say um we're trying to avoid a wetland um in a certain area and so we're we're moving now moving the fence line away from those Wetlands or in a different location um it also includes updating that Airport layout plan sheet so that the FAA has that on file um as needed to you know reflect that that project so um you know we have a proposed project schedule here as well
that's of course assuming that the you know the fa Grant comes in um you know in time for that August 2025 of course if that's later then that would be you know shifted but that's that's effectively um you know a broad brush overview of the scope of work and what we'll be doing as part of the environmental assessment so I would welcome any questions uh concerns comments that anyone has take a little bit if you would like
to look at the map that is here this I brought the big one with me and that I did remember um to take a look and see what they're talking about as far as your bar how stuff goes and the hazards and stuff like that yeah so the the Airport layout plan really will just show um will show the the different projects right so um you know really what's being vetted if you will through the the environmental assessment are the obstruction you know
the obstruction trees and the approaches um which we need the obstruction analysis to you know to detail where goes are located and then the fence those are the two items that we'll be looking at in the environmental assessment any questions yeah [Applause]
I this shows the Wetland yeah so these green area so so keep in mind that the wetlands shown on this plan are taken from publicly available resources these are not actually delineated so you go after a permit for any project you have to have flagged or you know delineated sometimes
those terms are used you have to have those Wetlands flagged exact locations known so you know what the exact impacts are so this gives an approximation um of where the wetlands might be but we don't have exact numbers and that's why we're including um the Wetland delineation as part of the wetlands are all around us they are all around us and under us y so but that's uh the kind of stuff and we have to uh we I think you mentioned something about
you concern about the fencing and stuff like that that was proposed I don't know where that is well but already answer the question yeah cuz the proposal was down in here the red line was the fencing in 200 200t of overrun is inside the fence cuz the overuns right here on the south end the north end it's okay here and comes up to the road very close but that one's already got a fence yeah moving this here back that's
that's what I was going to say whether we move it or but well it ends here so the new fencing would be here we want to get it as close as we can I don't what until they yeah and my concern was all along in here we got to have several gates in order to be able to get through to uh yeah and I think that really comes that that really yeah I think I think that comes in when you start actually
designing a project um you know and getting into that phas of everything you can determine the you know the number of gates and things that that the other thing too is you know we've got this area over on the other side of the road where if we could figure out how to uh take the gate that's here and put it here and go around this and put hang it in there but then you then then you have to cross the road no the road would be
eliminated you could take and put the road in no no the road that's that goes along the yeah you know you just take and rearrange that a little bit so that it becomes useful but make it part of the taxi way from this area to the runway you know I mean it's just we need more hangers and more hanger because we want a busier and more
congested airport is that what we want to become more self-sufficient because the only way we're going to do it is through building buildings that we rent not question about sustainability wouldn't it be a good idea to put the the what was proposed years ago with the uh solar panels up on the hill that was that may Hawk didn't want to have put up there because the city wasn't going to get the money and it was going to the
airport wouldn't that be a better idea I mean everybody wants hangers but you're spending millions and millions of dollars on hangers at least that's going to Gard of fish did it and I believe it's somewhere between 50 and 100 Grand they're they're pocketing a year I don't have facts on that but it's somewhere around toal made an attempt at it and I forget what the the problem is comp I
think right and they don't participate with national G power right you don't have you don't have three down weird here here I don't know what's in the what runs the lights now say run they're all I'd have to check PO down there see if there's three pH with Transformers but I'm no elal engineer but I'm just
saying run down what's the difference whether we could get the panel or not we just suggest it has been explored I don't haven't heard anything lately on it but the may I did mention I would just think that would be a pretty good sustainable uh you know yeah and I don't think you know I I understand that I don't I that that certainly just a question no understood I just want to be clear that that is not the goal of the environmental assessment the goal of the Environ that wasn't you mentioned sustainability and I said well what's wrong with that you're making that kind
of money I think would be helpful yeah you're talking National Grid and you're talking which we we at Temple sure I know I get my bill from here and I get hosed by National Grid on electricity here yeah I don't know how that I don't know how that was look at the billage see yeah but I mean that's that's the whole thing and there's the [Applause] and the instruction stuff well and these
are keep in mind these are the old old old data that is not prop and yeah okay yep so I think that I think the the the next steps would be to have the commission vote to accept the scope of work um and then um there is also
that independent fee estimate that is required as part of um any fa project to have that third party um that's on the environment on the environment en yeah so if you if you take a look at page five of 5 there actually is in red outlined the you know the language for a proposed vote if the if the commission would would ever that okay that's the other thing so that's on
page five of the first [Applause] document so we got a have a proposal to approve the scope scope of work for and solicit the IND Fe
estimate and vot is all accept yeah approve good with it yes okay everybody so we're got to repeat what we're voting on here please the scope of work for the environmental so no that's not item number four is the environmental assessment that's correct yeah item number four and the
independent fee schedule uh approval or whatever so that they take what theyve proposed the amount of money that they that it's proposed and the independent fee schedule agrees or disagrees and then they come to some agreement yeah so so what what happens is is Gail will prepare fee schedule of fees based on the scope of work that's being approved and then um the scope of work is sent off to a third party reviewer and they will effectively um
estimate what they feel the contract should cost um Jim will receive that um independent estimators you know total cost Gail's total cost compare the two and then the the rule of thumb within FAA is with if the if the costs are within 10% of one another um it's deemed under their regulations to be reasonable and so that you know the commission can you know basically knows that you're getting a fair Shake on the
price and so what's your estimate of what this fee will be we haven't provided that yet so you have to do the two fees independent of each other so that would be that would be other way of approv basically going forward would be environmental study then they will come up with a fee and send it to them send it off to send it out to a third party we we'll send we'll send ours to Jim the third party will also send theirs to Jim we
won't see the third parties third party won't see ours unless we have to start negotiating somehow right so we're agreeing to build a house here and go ahead with an addition but we don't know yet what it's going to cost but we're going to agree to go ahead with it is that what you're you're you're agreeing to accept the scope of work and you're agreeing to have that evaluation so we get the estimate so that we know how much bring to the blueprint if you want to use your analogy and and now we're going to give you the cost to build the house okay okay so we're not definitely
we're not agre analogy what's that I like the analogy okay a lot of bureaucratic crap oh mo I agree try to cut through it that's that's that's the one thing that I have learned and nothing happens quickly disgusting anyway moving along but uh I don't know nean musk has got a hold of it yet so we'll see where that goes uh but this is the process we have to follow now yeah he might be smart
enough to understand this so um you know and and again I'd like to just you know just I mentioned to you in our conversation Jim but there will be an upfront cost I know that the mayor will have to approve um that that cost we have to FL the cost out get revers later you have to pay yeah you have to pay the estimator um their fee to complete estimate can take that out of our salary
yeah and when all is said and done and the environmental assessment has been agreed to and produced and done what's the uh what is the improved situation here at this airport as a result of all this effort we can move forward to the next step which is yeah you put foundation in so yeah you you you have you have basically the the Federal Environmental blessing to move forward on these projects you cannot receive
federal money for any project if it's not vetted through an environmental assessment so basically in order to get Federal funding for any of these Capital Improvements it has to be vetted through the environmental assessment so to you know any of those grant money that we're talking about you know 100% funding for a perimeter um wildli fening and things like that if it doesn't go through environmental assessment it doesn't happen that's why we're doing it in the order that understood so nothing concrete results as or we small steps
huh we're taking small steps this small step is basically going to cost us uh what what number that's what we need to put that's what they have to determine it's not detailed here whether we uh we're just looking we haven't got the one for the envir bill AIG at 2796 there's so in the in the capital Improvement plan the airport's Capital Improvement plan the set aside if you
will for this project was $200,000 for both pieces so that's it's around that price depending on you know the level of effort and what the fees come in at could be a little bit more could be a little bit less but around that is it fair to say we're going to spend $200,000 so at the end of that will have received from the government a green light correct to go to the next step to rece and to receive federal and spend more money get to another ho
anyway that's what it is everybody's got to make a living so that wasn't okay any other questions comments concerns anything you need from Gail at this [Music] time oh I think I'm pretty well said anybody got any questions there will be a lot of emails coming in so please read and let me know if we you phone or call
them and call G and fill them in but uh so does that mean we're at new business now we can be yes thank you all for your time okay thank you you any new business I have a couple of things that I want to mention one that we've got the uh we had two Commissioners down John Boy
and Rob Schwarz they on the commission Schwarz was not only a commissioner he was the assistant but he uh he he was your back he was your right-and man well who was another commission um at any rate what's motiv a commissioner and therefore what motivated him to drop out well his father was on is on several committees
and commissions he's still on the school committee he's 88 years old and he's on the planning board also okay I don't know how many others he's on but he's on a couple of them I first met him back when he was on the Emergency Management that's way back when I first they first invented that and came into being so the uh but that and uh we are um Isabelle
got us the budget and she's going to further refine that so we can look at this I want to figure out where everything's going and I have the would anybody like to start paring the guard system for the month of I think it's just January but I'm not sure yeah it's just January yeah and uh there's I was trying to find if they had anything that
was uh if it was electronically available cuz this looks like a spreadsheet that's printed out so I was trying to find that out but if I could get it electronically we'll probably slice and dice it she said she backed it up some yeah so I'm going to look at this and see if I can come up with some logic behind it and see if we can figure out out um something because every time I talk to the FAA or the
mass and I've had a couple other people ask me what's the volume I have no idea and this gives me something at least that I can say because they all want to know and that the volume pleas with what Landings take offs uh fby ever I don't know touching those anything and say it's small yours guess is as good as mine but
I've been days here when it's been one right after another and then I other days we go weeks with them or seemingly weeks with question the guide system that particular thing has been around for oh yeah it's and it's all in the computer years it's all in the computer I have never touched it yeah I was told not to so I didn't yeah was up on this when it was in the other room it when it's in the other
where it's set up and how it picks it up off the scanner it's right side of it I don't know how much the building affects it but it should what about like we got all the frequency you guys know the frequencies Jeffrey orange South Bridge St being in the building it's going to cut that down oh yeah okay because I mean I mean that radio picks it up why wouldn't that because that radio's got an antenna on top of the building
yeah and that's why why they have that guard well anyway it doesn't matter it was just if it works fine it was it was a system that was state of thee art back then 50 years ago but the only thing we have yeah and uh what would it take to improve that or don't they have money that's all just money just di money just more and more money okay well and that's what we're trying to figure out okay so
we'll keep working on all that and eventually we will come up with something and uh any other business I'll make a motion toj okay uh what do we have some
time 6:37 6 I'm leaving for Florida second hopefully getting away from the snow Yeah dri yeah I hear a second from somebody [Music]
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