Council on Monday May 20th 202 i' like ask please call coun BRS pres coun coun pres counter present counc present counc houn pres councelor unun pres councel pres councel tyros pres present thank you for the public watching this evening we are meeting informally tonight for a presentation of the FY 2025 school budget the school budget presentation will be conducted by Gardner Public School Superintendent Dr Mark pelo and Director of Finance and operations Mr Mark Hawk if there are any questions from the city council during the presentation it will be at Dr Pino's discretion to entertain those questions in any discussion Dr pelo go ahead thank you very much president um glad to be here glad to be presenting to you all um I love to talk about education if I talk too much let me know and I'll stop talking so much um but this is our level Services budget based on the numbers that we have now from the state for minimum minimum net School spending so with that first thing I like to talk about is our changing demographics and the reason I talk about this is some of our populations are considered high needs by the state um High needs includes any of our students who are come from low-income families students with disabilities or our multilingual or English language Learners those particular populations are considered high needs because they typically need more than um our just traditional um education where you walk into a classroom and there's a teacher in front of the room they need more services which if they need more services needs u means more uh money as well so we have to put money to support our students if we're truly going to be a district that focuses on Equity making sure all of our students learn we have to make sure that our our population's needs is driving how we spend our money um so with that as you can see um the high needs includes any by so any any student who is either lowincome student a student with disabilities or an English language learner if you're come from any of those particular populations you're considered high needs and if you can if you come from multiple you're also considered high needs they're not double counted so those are those are the numbers as you can see they're Rising um and actually if you look down um below our English language learner population is our fastest growing population which is really diversifying our um our groups and it's been it's actually been a a wonderful thing and wonderful addition to our um to our schools but as you can see it's actually the number the actual number has doubled in the last three to four years of students um who speak um English as a second language so this is our out of District cost so when students go out of District it means that we're that we need to spend more money um this first number shows how much we're spending on students who are um going out of district for out of District placements but includes all of our grants and all of the all of the different monies that go towards that particular population of um students with special needs and so our job is to keep kids in Gardener the more we keep kids in Gardener the more they're um they're with their peers the more they have um a Traditional School experience and that's really what we want for our students we're trying to improve our services here so we keep kids in districts this is another way students leave which is school Cho um as you can see in red those are the number number of students who are leaving the district to go to other districts um and as you can see we peaked there unfortunately in um FY 18 and since that time um we've come steadily down and we're now at I think 162 um students who are leaving the distri district and we're taking in 162 students so we're just about breaking even at this point um and this has been a real focus of what we we been doing in 2018 how long had we had G is that is that when we open no G opened in two um 2009 2009 so okay my apologies yeah I I have a question too so the students that that 162 students does that include students that need because leave because they need services or is that school choice by choice this is just school choice students so they're they're leaving to go to other districts not including monab or or out of District placements out of District placements are still our students it's also the online tekka so forth it's not just other phal districts when I show you the the number so this is how much when a student goes school choice how much it's cost us how much we're taking in is in blue and how much we're sending out is in Orange and that's a little bit disproportionate as you can see it looks like um it's it's not dropping as much as it was um um in the past the reason is because tekka these on online programs typically um cost $8,500 um to send a student school choice to a virtual school but to send a student school choice to a different bricking mortar school is 5,000 I'm not sure why that is and if any of you can tell me that please let me know yeah and I would assume that that's more since 2020 like it's people saw it as an option more it's just something that became the way of life now I would guess um yes Tech has always been you know one of one of those options for students but actually as students went went online a bunch of students did go online because they had um teachers that were doing this this was their whole system that was um that set up um so and some people like that yes you still allow internally at the option of online I know we had options within we do have um Ingenuity um as an online option yes yes um is this all grades all grades throughout the whole District yeah yes so Middle School we're taking kids in as well out of District kids it's open so no actually um so our school choice through grade seven has been closed um we don't have enough space school choice is really about fitting um filling in the corners right um so you know you have um your your class of say you have enough teachers to support 200 students and if we only have 150 Gardener students we could technically take in 50 we would never do that because we have movein and there's always things that happen but we could take in some students to build that up right now our class sizes are pretty much at at 25 at the elementary school especially um we're over populated from what the census said we were and when we fought msba they said we would never go over what the prediction was but of course we're already over what the expectation was yes oh so uh with regards to the outer District placements the speci for I assume it's for special education right yes are are is there is there additional funding since it's a requirement or it's like a federal requirement to if you can't provide the services to to be able to provide them in another place right to to send the student um I know that's part of the increased uh uh cost right um to the district is sending students but also transporting students right yes um is there are there additional dollars coming in from the federal government to support that is that it um just through um what they have as circuit breaker and right now they're looking at what's it called Extreme relief extreme relief and extraordinary relief well both because we had that's right there's a second this's actually a second level I know it sounds like a joke but it was actually second the second level so um yeah so AO District placement what we're trying to do is make sure we we've been increasing our services and that's the next slide that I'll actually if you oh actually did you have a another question no okay so this is specifically our out of District placement costs um we've been um funding a lot of positions to increase our supports in the schools to try to address um students needs in District because again we keep them in District um not only is it better for the kids but it also saves money um so when you look at the current state of affairs we actually had a million doll increase and are out of District placements this year and a lot of that had to do with um some students who moved into the district um and some students that we did have that were just expanding beyond what we were able to provide so went up a million dollars yes does that also have to do with the rising cost of everything else in the world being great question yes the the um out of District placement um organizations basically set their rate they have to have it approved by the state but they went up um do you know what some of the percentages were off the top of your head caps 12% what's that 8 and 12% on some of them thank you um we we had a really fight our local um collaborative to keep our um rate down by to 8% so a lot of a lot of them are costing more and more and that's just across the board yes because the rise are cost of everything thank you so a short answer would have been that thank you I like the long answer um so I just like to really talk about the student Opportunity Act This was um something in 20 um 2015 Gardner was seen as underfunded by $3 million at the time um because we had populations of students um English language Learners our students with special needs and our students from low income families who again need more we should be getting more money for for those particular populations and what they found was we were underfunded by $3 million in 2015 money and so when you when you think about that how did we how did we make that up well we typically made it up by not having as many U maintenance folks not taking care of the buildings what would happen is our compliance issues would take um priority we'd have to we'd have to fund those things by law and for our students and it was to the detriment of some some of the other categories so they for the student Opportunity Act they realized that our funding formula was way off and they've recognized that and they've started saying okay the state and the and the cities need to put more towards um these these um High needs uh school districts to make sure that they're funded because their the tagline is your ZIP code should not affect what your educational experience is so again looking at that we have $3 million um uh under budget at that time and so they've been really putting a lot more funding into the schools that's why you've seen for the local contribution going up um it's gone up considerably over the last few years and that's because the student Opportunity Act has dictated that um so in um in February we pulled together stakeholders um um uh some of you folks came um we had school community members parents um a couple students um 40 folks came together and we actually looked at so who are the um who are the students in our district who are most disenfranchised and we identified students with disabilities English language learning ERS economically disadvantaged students Hispanic and latinx students and African-American students um have the have the most disparate outcomes and so when we're looking at the funding we should be putting funding to make sure that we're supporting the needs of those particular populations and this is a requirement by the state that we do something to make sure that we do this we don't just do a survey which other districts do I find that coming bringing people together and actually looking at the data and looking at what what we're all about is better way to do this so over the next 3 years um to support um the academic and social emotional development of students um our budget will support $ 2.58 million over the next three years this is something again the state requires us to um disclose to them um that's not new money a lot of that's money that we're already spending in the district um and then the use of the mtss pro um um process for students specifically with um sub um populations that are marginalized which includes students with disabilities again multilingual Learners and um uh to make to make sure that they're supported better it's $4.7 million and again a lot of that is money that we're already spending because we've improved um through Esser funds we've already increased the number of um staff and I'll show you how much actually this next slide so since I've been superintendent um I we've hired 62 service positions that means St um staff that are in the classrooms or um in the buildings directly supporting students or taking care of our buildings we've we have actually increased our our maintenance staff as well and I've hired um 10 administrative staff some of those staff um are by um grants some are requirements um with an English um learner population um over 200 now we're required by the state to have a director um of English um of English language learnning ERS any questions on that so if you look at these positions you'll see that they're really supporting um students with special needs um and English language Learners that's where the main focus is the way we develop our our budget is we put everybody in a room and we actually make them go through the process of cutting their budget by a certain amount I think we made them cut 150,000 was that what it was um from their budget and then they also have to list well what are your needs and we all get together in the room and this is everybody from the district all the principles from the district um and all the directors and we all uh make decisions together on okay so if we cut these positions and we have these needs what's the most important position to go in first and we actually go through this exercise to say what are the most important positions to make sure that our money is supporting our kids the best that it can um so there are sometimes some some arguments some um disagreements um but we get through it we all come to consensus on how to make sure we're using our funds to support whichever school so for example Paula Bulger might say you know what I'm you know I have um a position up here I'm not going to fund that first over say a kindergarten teacher so we make those decisions and what I like about it is it's a districtwide process not an individual how am I what do I need at my school it's what do we need in garer all right and balancing the budget this is where I stopped talking and the eloquence Mr Hawk will now take over uh so this is just um the total funding numbers the uh net School spending you take out the non net School spending which is mainly Transportation City and cost which is the bulk of that is the uh retirement and health insurance and you have your total net School spending and that minus $1 is just a a rounding of pennies uh so it is a a balanced budget we're not off by a dollar so that's good news so where did the money go on the left you'll see the new Revenue Chapter 70 under the student Opportunity Act uh increased 2.2 million we fared better than uh the vast majority of districts across the state I'm sure you've all seen the headlines about uh school funding being cut everywhere teachers being laid off uh we're able to avoid that in uh Gardener the net School spending number that's the uh City's obligation that is increased by a formula by Desi went up 647 th000 and then this year to help balance out the budget we're getting a um for the aforementioned migrant population $14 a day per student per day they're in District so we're going to be using $160,000 of that we have that money right now um everything is subject to appropriation on Beacon Hill how long that continues I don't know how long the migrant uh issues continue I don't know so we have that money in hand that's why I know we can count on that and then the uh $115,000 was um from FY 24 the new expenses you'll see the salaries at 1.2 expenses at almost 2.2 um additions we added 225,000 less than the previous year non- net School spending it's a deduct because it's a pass through it's funded by the city um and it doesn't count towards that school spending so that's why it's shown as a negative there and the indirects increased 575,000 which again is mainly uh health insurance and other insurances the 225,000 less um this is what was left over this was not an addition this was something that uh was required this year and we thought we should um be fully transparent and show that this is a newi is position it's only been added in the last couple months so that's why it's shown here as an addition um the salary numbers you can see this is through a Dusty breakdown between regular special ed Support Services School administration Central Administration it you'll see that it is now down to zero that's because it is now fully outsourced um so that's just showing the general areas of increases or the decrease and the expenses um big one there out of District placement of course 732 th000 and transportation is the uh what's that say 67,000 those would be the 697 97 okay 697 those would be the uh the largest increases and expenses um this one is always fun the costs that don't apply so the regular Transportation are the big yellow buses in thein vento foster care and special education Transportation the state just m makes us count at three different ways depending if they're uh foster care homeless that's what mckin vento is or special education um crossing guard expense and then to keep up with the minimum wage the slight increase of $1,000 for the crossing guards in the district uh so where's the money coming from again Chapter 70 the uh net School spending and the homeless emergency money that's the migrant money $104 a day that's how we get to the 415 the net School spending over net School spending this this is where it's really hurt us in the past couple years we haven't been above net School spending um so the SOA has bailed us out with the additional funding in Chapter 70 but uh I think we're coming to the end of that very soon unfortunately so this year we have a funding gap of $0 previous years that was a negative number we made it up through Esser we did not credit this was prior to me so credit to Dr pelo um we don't have that Sesser Cliff we didn't build up salaries with u the thought that all the money just keep flowing they they did it smartly and they did it so that uh Thea money came in as the SR money finished and that's why we have no layoffs and we're in a decent spot as I speak today subject to change in appropriation this really isn't to you but this is the last slide this is the same presentation we gave to the school committee into the public welfare committee so you guys don't have the vote but you can discuss any questions comments I just have a question I know that some of the contracts are for negotiation what was budgeted for Don employees for raises non-unit [Applause] 2% any other questions comments any further discussion so yeah sorry what I understand is that the regular Transportation contract we're in the final year or next year will be the final year this is yeah fy2 fy2 is the final year so then FY 26 a year from now there will likely be an increase oh I think that's if I was a bet man okay I didn't would say a substantial increase we paying an FY 25 $395 a day for a bus Which according to a lot of the districts now in the 420 to 450 per day per bus okay can we get bigger buses bigger boats and bigger buses that's what we need and and from what I understand the way we in the city of garden the way we've been funding the school department is there's net School spending plus Transportation so the plus transportation is on the city or on the mayor to get give you the money to do that correct transportation is a city expense that's just put into the school dep budget we don't have any Flex we have very little flexibility on it oh you did all the flexibility what up to 6 grade well we're not going to go there K through six funding uh for transportation is mandated above that is opal correct I think I remember I was there I was there Mr H I was there yeah what's interesting is you would never save his like we already have the if you already have the buses rolling there're the same buses that would be going to the high school so you don't really save you save a run um per day so it's much it's much less but the expectation in the city budget for FY 26 is that there's going to be a jump in regular Transportation yeah I I think there's going to be a jump in regular Transportation you know the other thing that's a that's a question mark this year with this um student Opportunity Act they only in in the legislation they capped um inflation at 43 4.5% um and inflation was 11% this year um what's helped us you know and I just want to make sure that I'm really clear with folks we're able to get through this year and a lot of that has to do with the fact that we had SRA money we um so we're able to pull this off this year but there was a $640,000 increase to the city that's that's greater than we typically have next year it's probably going to be about the same and the part that we really didn't plan on was actually falling under um the above net School spending we were we were kind of planning on having a little bit more than that um and so next year um if we if we just get an increase really actually really depends there's a lot of ifs for next year we have no idea what it's going to look like we have no idea if they'll actually fund um fund us better and differently um but this could increase a great deal if we're going to keep a level um spending for next year so I just want to put that in everybody's one point on that the way it used to roll in Chapter 70 is there was a cap for inflation and let's say this year 11% and they would cap it but then next year they would include that 11% and then if would over cap again it be capped what they did with the SOA right wrong or indifferent and they're now looking at it is they never made up for that so that 7% that we're missing they're not going to make up for that or they haven't made up for it yet so it's a year-over-year hit which is why the $2 million for Gardener was one of the biggest ones in the Commonwealth I think we're in the top 20 for actual dollars received um that's why you'll see in the the state budget I think the governor had $30 per student minimum Aid increase and I think the house where Senate went up to $130 so that means absolutely nothing to us because we got well over that but the well to-do communities that may not need as as much as us are getting a much larger increase I had a question regarding school choice in and I heard you say the mid school is kept is not taking any so the existing can stay oh yes so here's my my question is with the new elementary school did we see a huge influx with school choice at the elementary level no because we haven't been accepting them so we haven't at the elementary level no I'm sorry right so K to K to S K7 is we have not been accepting school choice because we knew our numbers were were growing we have now you know it used to be traditionally no matter no matter what you have eight teachers in in kindergarten first grade second grade third grade fourth grade they had eight teacher and all the way through seventh grade um we right now have nine kindergarten classes we have nine first grade classes um I'm thinking there's eight still in um grade one we've been and that's just residents but here here's my question then if we're sending out more students then we're taking in why aren't we taking in more students to even that out we're actually breaking about even we're taking about 16 students I saw the numbers it's like 30 different right 10 seven is H 162 in 169 hour oh so it's like seven okay yeah yeah and so that's and that's um that's that's at the high school mostly so yeah there's just not there's not a lot of room in and filling you know to be clear the way school choice Works um if say you're getting um $117,000 per student and that's the foundation formula with with um with school choice if we're getting a school choice student in we get $5,000 the sending districts will keep the other 12 so ultimately even if we have students going out we're keeping a bulk of our of our of our of our money um so H getting $5,000 to educate a student is nowhere near what we need and there are districts that are hurting right now because they've relied so much on school choice and their numbers have gone down because districts like like this year we had um 100 students apply to our early college program I'm thrilled we'll probably have 35% of our population graduating with college credits under their belt typically they're taking between three and five courses per semester um so I'm thrilled with that I think that's helped keep kids in the districts Yeah question um based off what you just said um you know just my nephew took advantage full advantage of that R excellent he he just graduated two weeks ago K State you know he would have two more years if he didn't do the Early College uh um you know so um but with that being said with the new programs that the high school's offering is it too early to say kids are staying because of the new program I can't think my we so I can't I can't say that definitively um we probably should do a survey I mean it would probably be good to do but we do have anecdotal evidence we've had um we've had folks come to us and say I was going to send my kid to Monte Tech that was my plan from the beginning but I saw this early college program and they're keeping them they're staying distance so that's exactly what I'm asking is because that same thing came to me um you know I do with a lot of kids and it's the same exact thing like oh this offer and this is awesome I'm like yeah it really is so you know like that's you know I was looking and I'm interested in the numbers on that part because I know you know I've had a conversation more tce we do in head first early college too so and a lot of that funding by the way is um is is through the state the state's giving them $180 or $190 per credit per student so a lot of this has become free in this wonderful um this wonderful program um and I will say we've done it we do it beyond all the other the other districts around here early college nothing like ours nothing like ours so in the 100 and 69 does that include the money Tech students or no no no that doesn't no but actually this year year I'm um I'm very excited typically we have from the high school 70 some odd students apply 76 75 students apply to uh montech this year 37 students applied and those are kids who want to get a vocation kids are staying at the high school because there are other options like this so I'm I'm really proud of that and I think our our partnership with Mount WUSA Community College has just been a huge Boon and allowed us to do things that most other high schools just can't do we had um 50 some odd students 52 or 53 students graduate with Associates degrees and diplomas last year that's huge and especially for students who come from low-income families what a boost that is for them so um I just want to go back to the transportation budget um what is what percentage of that is out of uh students having to be transported out of district and I'm wondering if you could say a little bit more about what the uh G schools is doing to keep students from from doing from needing AO District okay so first there is a there is a I don't like to use the word it it says sped Transportation up there that's because that's what the state calls it that's the budget line item um but the special Transportation budget is actually pulled out um so it's um again a large increase if but if you look at transport um so your first question is how are we keeping kids in District my first year superintendent we switched over um students who are in our substantially separate rooms who are our highest need students we used to have par Professionals in those rooms par professionals are wonderful folks who um who come to us and it's an entry-level position and they're not provided a lot of training we actually Chang that over to what we call registered behavioral technicians the level might still be the same it's an entry-level position however they get intense Hors workk that we pay for it's $133,000 and we wind up having these folks learn these very specific skills they have to work under what um we call the behavioral board certified behavior um uh pcba um board certified Behavioral Analyst and they're working with our substantially separate students and we were doing a a much better job of keeping kids in District quite frankly if we hadn't boosted those numbers and really invested a lot in in those particular rooms that's where K because that's the last stop the kid has very specific needs and they very high level needs they would wind up in a um um working again through an IEP process that's very you know highly um uh regulated um they would wind up in a in a substantially separate room before going to an out of District placement and then if they're not making progress in that substantially separate room then they would go out of District placement okay but if a student moves into district and they're already out of District place they're ours and so we're just automatically paying that money um counc thank you just one quick question you guys all been talking about the 5year contract does that apply just to the regular Transportation or the other Transportation lines as well just regular how many students are district special education the number you know what I don't know that I'm top my head close to 200 is my guess trying to remember from some of the reports it 200 I would say close to it if I had to guess but um I guess another question would be um do a lot of them go to the same school it really depends it's individualized so you know OB we do have a um we do have a we are part of collaborative for Keystone collaborative and we're part of caps collaborative so because we're part of those organizations we're on the I'm on the board for those two um organizations and they try to keep the cost lower for us um but ultimately if they need to go to Boston they need to go to Boston excuse me uh Dr pelo I'll apologize for looking away from you while I ask my question um that's okay for the microphone but uh my question is about the early col college program and if there has been any noticed or seen impact to the AP honors programs at the high school as someone who's still had an occasional nightmare about Mr Martin's AP US SC prompts that have fortified my writing Under Pressure U which I'll thank him for but uh I was just curious about that because it is a state program that could you know change yep yeah um the yeah the AP program we still have um I want to say 15 we might have we might have um cut one or two and again that's more AP courses than all the other District around here even when there's only a few students going for that that program we believe that it's important to run those classes so we've continued to run those classes um I think Paula has a cut off you might know better than me Judy of like three it used to be three or four yeah that's good year and I could just speak to that it it a little bit because you know you have you know you have to score the four or five on AP exam to get those credits accepted whereas with the Early College a see your better is transferable um you know some places it has to be a be um but those students can double up instead of taking one class in an academic year and they can take two so they're really getting more for their dollar if they're going to go to a State College University so we found that you know a lot of them are better off with the early college program except for your select University still want to see those AP credits and a lot of the students the way the master scheduling is done at the high school is they're allowed to take their early college classes in the morning and such thing as the Sciences they're um and the calculus are intentionally scheduled in the afternoon so the kids get to take both Mr Mayor thank you very much Madam president just to add on to the overnet school spending uh slide that was in this proposal too one of the reasons that we've had some funding constraints on the city side of things is that when the student Opportunity Act was put into place yes it's it did substantially increase how much we were getting in Chapter 70 but it also substantially increased what our minimum contribution was towards s Chapter 70 so the funding we were putting in was now going towards regular net School spending rather over net School spending at the same time our costs were going up and it just made it so that we couldn't keep up with those so that's why we haven't been able to go over net School spending for this fiscal year and next fiscal year this isn't something that's unique to Gardener uh in fact so much so that uh the Massachusetts Municipal Association is now putting out a survey to all the cities and towns across massachusett uh asking uh what the budget situation is for this year and if it's because of the school school districts and does that mean teacher layoffs in those districts because there's probably a handful if not less than 10 districts in massachus right now that aren't looking at teacher layoffs this year and Garder is one of those districts that is not because we plan for that ahead thanks to again the superintendent's for thinking uh but that's the increases in the minimum required spending does make it so that we are facing funding constraints just because we aren't laying someone off doesn't mean we aren't deferring maintenance on certain things they're pushing back programs on certain things or planning forward on figuring out how we're going to pay for certain aspects like the transportation costs because again our um our costs have just gone up and the minimum pricing that we have to pay also goes up uh director Hawk pointed out that the governor's budget that she released in January had the Min statutory minimum of $30 per student the house and the Senate did release their budgets increasing that $30 to $104 per student there's now a budget amendment in the Senate to get that to $110 per student so again all of those fluctu on how much we can do too um but I mean when the average cost to educate a student a year is ballpark $5,000 per student and I'm saying ballpark because that's low because that's what we get when we get a student coming in and the average property tax bill in the city is $4,400 uh it's one of those that when we talked about Revenue last week just ways that we have to bring Revenue in and work on how we can get back overnet school spending eventually but we have to live within our means and there's only certain things that we can do so we'll at least stay where we need to be and hopefully come up with a plan to get over that later on uh but we'll do what we can in between thank you thank you Mr Mayor further questions comments from the council or um superintendent of the director one last point to councelor Brooks um this slide was created in the middle of March when we were doing the presentation of the school committee so you see the regular Transportation line of 782 that's because we asked for an additional bus uh that wasn't able to be funded so that is down so there you go reducing that from 67 600 right my notes do say that it's down to 7-Eleven same as last year thank you boom anything further um I would just like to say and I I know it's been mentioned um in a lot of different ways tonight but I think it's important for the public to know that we are in a really good spot here in terms of not having to lay off people and it's because of the good planning um by the school committee by the superintendent by director Hawk and how we do this um working with the mayor's office and auditor and everyone I mean this is you the things you see on the news and all the things you hear about um with the number of districts compared to the ones that don't have to worry and we being one of them you know it's a testament to the good work that we do here and planning and thinking ahead um and we've always kind of said we don't we don't well the last few years I since I've been a counselor and I've been paying more attention to it obviously we don't fund things with you know um long-term items with onetime money and that's that's worked out for us in this case for sure um and I know it was part of this kind of long-term Str strategic plan that we had even before Co um so I really appreciate all the work that your offices have put in that the school committees put in um to building this budget because I don't think people also realize this is a monthlong process before you even get to the school committee vote and you know before it was presented to the public welfare committee and out of the council this is um this is developed over many many months since the fall pretty much um and for to to get here and then to our vote in a couple weeks so thank you for that can I just say one thing yeah um I was just texting I wasn't trying to be rude I was texting Joyce West my um um special ed director um you must be thinking of dollars I was wondering why you were saying 229 students throughout a district placement you must be thinking of oh I was going Transportation sorry yeah that's what that was so 29 students like really since I was on school 17 I had one of the numbers right huh I had one of the numbers right divide by 10 anything further any questions comments any further information to share on the topic of the meeting here um thank you again on behalf of the city council thank you Dr Belo thank you director Hawk um for being here this evening hearing nothing we will close this part of the meeting and reconvene at 7:30 p.m. for our regular meeting thank you very much you thanks everybody