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anybody recording or else? Um, so we can start with uh review and approval of the uh minutes from our last meeting of February 11th. Um, so change here.
I like um monthly co update. Um it's interesting that we have DNR here TPW because what the um the protocol is disability commissions throughout the whole state
call and the um the biggest thing was snow removal and ADA requirements and so our whole camp um the whole um you discussion was around that um the logistics of handicap
on street parking versus you know private parking lots and and things of that nature and um I was surprised we actually learned a lot and um there were a lot of people who were
just like you know you have to remember is there's one woman who's an ADA coordinator in Boston and she um she was talking about you know her you have to have the bigger picture you have to understand
limitations how many people there are what their priorities are budgeting all that kind of stuff so it all fits together so we can complain that we don't have enough or things aren't being done in a way that we think it should because it becomes personal to
us but we need to work together reasonably was the And um that was pretty much it. Everybody was um and then there's no place to put snow. This year >> people had uh they were talking about
how they had um certain areas where they could re you know remove snow and bring it places and they had less and less places to do that. I think in Georgia she said they only have two places where they can bring snow down bringing snow for
removal. So, it's it's an issue. It's an issue everywhere all over the state. Um, so that was pretty much it. And that I invited I met Dane at um a meeting and
asked him about um you know collaborating trying to understand what his position is on things, how we can work together, how we can make improvements with the city. So, um I appreciate you being here
today and can you just like um maybe give us a little bit of a you know run down on what it is that you do and and what how we can work together. Um the biggest thing was the um the parks in
parks piece from the last two reports which I had D gave me to D to look at and you know a lot of times I think stuff it either it doesn't it's not communicated in the proper way or it's
not um you might not even a department head might not even know that they're responsible for Um, but nobody says anything. >> Yeah. So, I'll let you >> D Arnold, the DPW director. I've been in the city for almost 25 years. 25 years.
In August will be my anniversary date. Um, I'm in charge of all the parks, the playgrounds, the forestry, uh, the highway department, the water, the sewer, the mechanics, the fleets, more or less you see at Elton City. I'm responsible for it. Um, so get into
snow. I'll start with the first bar of snow. Um, we're in charge of all the snow operations. Uh, there's about 30 roots in the city that we have vehicles for. Uh, 32 actually that we have city vehicles for that are out. We hire a couple contractors that are responsible
for doing all the streets. Once the storm is done, we send the salt trucks out to salt and trucks, but we also, if it's not too long of a storm, we send out about four or five sidewalk tractors if they're operating to start hitting the sidewalks. We typically try to hit
we leave the DPW and we concentrate around the school area and work outward just for children for safety for children and whatnot. Um so that's what we do. Unfortunately this year it seems like we barely get done sometimes don't even finish clearing sidewalks and we get another storm. So sometimes we just
simply can't keep up. We don't have the manpower and the equipment to do so. Um and obviously this how consistent the storms come we just fall further and further behind. The guys do a great job. They're dedicated. They work 30 to 40 hours straight out there to clear the
walks and the uh streets as well. So, >> I have found that um if there is an issue and I've myself even called that they will get to it >> when they can. So, again, it's about you
know, you're not purposely or your department is not purposely overlooking something. It's just they might But this last storm was the last storm we had. We literally they were there I think it was their Sunday night at 8:00. Some of them didn't go home until Tuesday afternoon.
So if you call during that Tuesday saying with a complaint or or a comment, chances are they didn't have the staff to get out there. So call the foreman would get it. He would go check out the complaint and it might not be the next day or even longer than that to get to the actually get it just based on, you
know, the circumstance that we have. Uh, as far as the sidewalk tractors, the crew more or less knows where the crosswalks are, where the sidewalks are. It just again, it takes a little time to get the entire city. So, we do whatever we can get our sidewalk trackers to hit
those crosswalks. Um, we get downtown is different. There's a downtown community. It's a overlap district that the businesses are responsible for crosswalks, clearing of sidewalk. So anything you think downtown businesses are own DPW responsible for everything
else. So that kind of handles it. The problem sometimes happens is we might go out and clear a sidewalk and then a homeowner hires a contractor and they plow their sidewalk, they clear their driveway and they fill in the sidewalks and whatnot. That happens quite a bit throughout the city as far as access. So
it's just a matter of trying to keep up with it. So that's snow and ice. >> Technically, aren't this home? You're supposed to clear the sidewalks. >> No, not in the city. They're not responsible for it. Just downtown. >> I tried passing that ordinance, but it wasn't a really favorable ordinance.
>> Wonder why. >> Yeah, we tried, but it uh it it just didn't a lot of communities have that, but just I mean, we have the equipment, it just takes longer to to get to it. Um, as far as parks and playgrounds, uh,
again, we're responsible for all the parks and playgrounds. I see the list that you have as far as what we're compliant with and what we're not compliant with. Ironically, we just got a letter from the state um, architectural access board stating that it's a first notice for our Pilaski
playground in dog park. If you look at the form I sent in from the back page on the sorry second page the back of it there's a little diagram of the park. Um basically there's two pavilions out in the middle of the dog park that there's
no handicap accessibility to. Um those were done by a grant installed and now it's up to the city. people are going to have to come and probably some come up with some type of wheelchair matting or something I think is going to be the best way to access those abilities. >> And I think we would like to be involved
in the beginning of these types of things and talk about that because I think as a commission we're we have the lived experience. We understand, you know, how to make things friendly and accepting of everyone.
Yet we never I can't imagine that any of us and I'm sorry to speak for the other members of the group would have signed off on that anything like that or we would have talked to the people in charge to
you know how can we do this better how can we do it different >> and moving forward now this is what how we want to be viewed as a vital resource for for the different departments to understand that. >> Can you fix this?
>> We're looking into >> We can talk about it. Um, >> we have found a type of matting that you'll see it on the beaches and whatnot. I don't know. >> Don't they have that at Don Clark that goes down to the water? >> Yeah. So, we're looking at where we can buy that and I actually have a call with
the state to see if it's actually if it will work and if they'll accept it. U, I'll just be on the record that all our playground equipment I don't believe in compiance with accessibility, but these things were also built probably when they didn't need to be in compliance. So, we're just trying to catch up with
it and no funding is is an issue. Um, so the letter you received, we got in February, there was probably 4T of snow out in the nonpart. So, I'm asking I'm already asking for an extension because by the time the snow is gone, we're going to be in non-compliance. We're trying to meet their deadline. So, we're
going to ask for an extension as well. But if there's any funding source or if you know of if you know the code you know that the matting that I'm looking at would >> be sufficient we'll be glad to share that with you. >> Okay
just that part. Um the other thing that we've done is ever since we started a 20 plus years ago who's under bike um directors we call it we're trying to implement and get remove putting
handicap ramps for every every street. I don't know if you've noticed the concrete ramps throughout the city. Um years ago we just more or less did an asphalt ramp which were compliance but now we're actually looking at the concrete ramp with the panel and obviously the 88. So moving forward,
pretty much every intersection along you'll see that concrete pad just trying to catch up and I think we're ahead of most on that. It's just going to take some time. There's 100 miles of road. There's 500 intersections plus that we're trying to
>> I know like um there's been times when there's been like a list of like certain roads that are getting repaired and how that's going to go. Do you have like any kind of documentation of like where these you've made these changes and
what's left to change and like some order of >> I had a spreadsheet of every street we've done. >> Okay. >> Probably come up with a map GI probably come up with a map as far as what's what's left to do. Um every year I I come up with a list of streets that need
to be repaired. This year it's going to be larger than last year. Um I submit to the mayor >> what we I put the repair, he is the final say on it and it's always based on funding. So I give him $5 million worth of streets that need to be repaired. >> He comes back, we can only afford a
million dollars and that's state funds and stuff. So we're just we're falling further and further behind. But on the other hand, at least we're picking away these intersections. >> It's happening all over. And I think too because I always talk about this the bigger picture.
um it falls behind and this is going to be a horrible budget year and fiscally and um you know and this is where you know we'd like to be able to have these conversations because as parents and as people with
disabilities we're really good at thinking outside the box on stuff >> and um and we have access to um you know different um that you know they can apply for
grants or certain >> I mean every year we're doing crosswalks and I don't if you remember in front of Stazzic and CVS there was that island there was a pedestrian hitting the crosswalk and the problem was the crosswalk was kind of around the corner to drive down main was around the corner
and we had always wanted to extend that island up so that could pull the crosswalk up the front so we did that we made it accessible we also had push button for so we're trying to look at every intersection as we go unfortunately just cost money.
>> Yeah. So how can we help >> in any of that kind of process? I mean >> if we see stuff and you know could we have a conversation with you about that and then we can
>> yeah it's about basically about working together and we just want to we want you to understand that we're a viable resource for you too and and we're working really hard to make things accessible for everybody. If you know of any grants and we have
someone we have a business manager that works for the DPW he's constantly looking at grants something comes across your desk and there's a grant out there for intersection improvements crosswalks ramps anything like that. >> Yeah. >> And we have a different we can have a different funding stream as far as like
disability related places and you know things come up that probably wouldn't be on anybody else's >> radar. Okay. Um, >> is there any questions?
Amanda, >> Terry, I'm sorry. >> Thank you. Um, hi Terry Dory. I uh took a nexus from participating because of very hostile
um prior board member that uh so I'm jumping in. I've been here four years and um Oblase Park is that I know I saw something in the news. Is that one of the places on the um on the
accessibility? Um, I live right there and um, I fall a lot and there's not really a there's no walkway to get into the park at either end. And I know a simple solution would be black talk, a little bit of black talk and um, and
without um um, you said the state sent a letter about Palaski Park. Was that generated because residents didn't ask the town and say, "Hey, we need help here at Palaski Park." or did it how did it come about that the state >> it was a random complaint about okay
just accessibility of dog park >> um so for me um no complaint wasn't aware I I have a service dog I I just go to the park with lots of dogs but um with um I've spoken to you on the phone a couple times and at the end of last
year um the public park gets used by um anywhere from from 50 to 75 people every day in any Um, and I was actually using my snowboard, which is like a walker to to make a path so that the other dog
walkers could walk. And then at the end of last year, you you folks began plowing it. And now this year, you've been following it. Um, and you know, the the black top pavement there. So all the walkers, it's for our mental health, for our physical health. So I need to say, um, thank you. And that is a great a
great job. So um, I like you got to throw in compliments. A lot of people like to throw in complaints, but you got to throw in compliments. So, it's my understand from >> either it's it's blacked up and then yellow gate blocks reach you.
>> So, um if there was a little black top to the left or right of either gate at either end, that would that would solve it. And I know that the level of degree and angle wouldn't be um wouldn't be just a little bit of black top. And um I'm saying this um as a private citizen,
maybe if uh someone could dedicate or donate funds so that that could get done versus waiting for grants or something. I'm not rich. I'm not poor, but I have I have friends. But lastly, I just want to end with um I'm understanding that the park access between any of the parks and
the sidewalks and those things that they've been on the back burner now that moving to the front burner as funds may or may not become available from grants. Is that my correctness? >> Um if I can just speak about OC, the city did receive a grant. It went
through the community development. I don't know all the details, but I believe they received a grant for new equipment, new playground equipment. I don't know if that involves accessibility to the parking lot as well. Um, so that's something that >> I I wanted to speak real quick on it.
So, when I moved in, the wood the wood structure had just been removed and then they put up this beautiful playground. Um, >> and then a tree fell on it. >> I was It woke me up at 2:00 in the morning and um and it destroyed it and then it took all of the whole summer. So the whole summer kids had no playground and um then they got the new park up as
the insurance company. So So that's back up. But um I just realized yeah there's no walking access up to the jungle gym itself and I don't know how to maybe that real thing. I know that um you know there's been um
Mackie Park was the biggest uh folk car that was brought to someone's attention and city council got involved with that and um that has led to more oversight on different things because what they had
voted on initially as the plan didn't end up being >> finished. Yeah. And so now it is compliant but it's not user friendly. And these are the kinds of things that
we want to work together with to make that happen. So it instead of just checking off the boxes, let's be inclusive for everybody. and and um I mean I went to look at it
myself after the council signed off and there's no access if you came in on the third level and wanted to go to the second level and you're you would have to leave the park physically come all the way around to
Grant Street and come in on that side and you would have access to level one and And then the um the stone dust, anybody with any type of mobility issue, a walker, a wheelchair, myself with neuropathy,
that's just not I I would not go to the park because of those things. Um you know, and and and yet it's it makes it it meets ADA requirement, so it's okay.
but it's really not okay. So, these are the kinds of things that we're trying to um make people aware of and to um be, you know, a really we're a viable part of this community. And there are
people who just don't come out because they have no access to things. And it's time to change that. >> And you know, >> I know I know I've lived in gardener for 30 years and I've seen I've seen the difference.
and things and it's easier to get around downtown and stuff and I do appreciate everything. I um like I said the we live near the railroad track and so all the snow gets kind of piled up over there so
when I'm coming out on my street you can't really see >> I'm really glad I came here. >> Well, you can't you can't really see much of anything but but the one guy that does that particular area He's been so great about,
you know, knock it down enough of it so that the the visibility and stuff >> and we not have intersections after a storm, you know. >> Yeah, it takes time, but it's just been and we're in a precarious little situation because we have a rightway to
our house. So technically, well, it it ended up that there was a fire at years ago and that um we're maintained in the winter time, but um you know, we get I I like your type of guy. He's he's great.
He's great. He just >> And you don't have enough of a crew either. That's the hard part. I think >> she does her best. >> I never run a hiring. So >> yeah. Um does uh anybody else from the
commission have any questions, comments, or concerns, >> T? We really appreciate you being here. >> And um you're free to go or you can hang out with us. >> Yeah. Did I yell? Did I put on my mom
voice once? All right. >> New business. uh snow removal policy for private property. Yeah. >> So, we've been getting calls and emails um about apartment buildings and snow removal and accessibility. So, I reached out to the Massachusetts office on
disability since it's not the city. The city can't tell a property owner, you know, if it's private property that they need to address these things. So, there's guidelines. Um, I created a Google doc for the commission so that there's links for how to handle it. It's
that what Ralph said from MOD was a lot of the time the landlords will work it into their leases that the tenants responsible and at that point the tenant has to find a way to handle it. But, um, there's also a process for filing for
reasonable accommodations. So, I put both of the links on there and I'm hoping we can add it to our commission page so that people if they're wondering what to do. >> So, I have a question. When you talk about snow removal for private property, you're talking you said apartment
buildings. So, like apartment buildings, parking lots, >> not the or the parking lots, but like the walkways a lot of the times the landlords will say it's your responsibility to clear your path or it's theirs and
It depends. >> So if there's a sidewalk out from the street side. >> Exactly. Like or >> Yeah. Not not the public street, but just kind of like the the apartment buildings. We had a couple of people having issues. Even in the fall, someone
was talking about acorns falling and it being >> a hazard for her. And so that, you know, they need to reach out. you need to read their leases and then if it's in their lease that the landlord has taken responsibility through the state, they can file reasonable accommodation
request. Um, and the links also just kind of go through it's best to try to work it out with your landlord versus filing a complaint that you know if they know there's an issue, you know, they don't want to put people at risk. So, just thought it'd be easier to have the
links available for the public and also just for us if we get any more calls or emails. >> And Amanda's been really great about forwarding emails and phone messages that she's been getting. So, it's like we try to address them as as they come
in and when we get information just we want to pass that on to everybody so we know if we like that comes up again, we can always refer. Thank you for taking care of that and looking into it.
>> Real quick on the private property issue. So, where I've lived before, if you have a fire hydrant on your property in New York, um you're supposed to clear it and the places I lived, which I missed dearly, um
when I was not able to um clear, I actually get on my knees to clear snow because of that. So my hydrant on my property literally my snowboard is like a walker. So I can actually use a snowboard but I can't show the snow. So
I clear the hydrants. Does gardener have a um that you have to clear your hydrant or in cases where the resident can't do it. They would call my last place was public works but the fire department had a crew. They rode around in the trucks
and it would jump out and in 3 seconds a couple of firefighters clear the snow. So is that um anything >> part of it's not a mandate I don't believe in the city of towns. It might be more of a homeowners insurance thing where you're homeowners insurance. We want you to keep your hip and clear.
However, we go out after the storm. We put flags on them when we can. We get out there and try to open them up. I know the fire department does as well. Sorry, I I didn't mean um actually I think I might have opened up a can of worms if there's a possibility of um maybe public
works with collaboration with proper something that they that they know where the hydrants are where the residents would have trouble clearing it. Um I've got a couple of neighbors that come down and actually um help me out.
But um maybe if there's a crew, we could call the public works number and say, "Hey, I can't clear my hydrant." Um there's a young glass that I've talked to a couple times on the phone and 5 minutes later they're something's getting fixed. And I'm like, I just I don't know if it's just Irish luck or
but um but again, compliments. What else? >> Okay, I'm done. >> We're going to circle back. Um, you know, and these are like these are the kinds of ideas we want to hear from people. And I mean, as far as like snow
removal and and all these types of things, of course, it's seasonal, but um there may be ordinances that we are not sure of and those are the things that we need to look up as a commission so that we have this understanding and can pass
that information on to people. um you know and are they being enforced and if they're not why you know but we these are conversations that we have to have with the people in the city. Um,
>> any more questions? >> When we talk about the downtown areas, the downtown business area, is that mapped out somewhere on it? >> It's it's written in the ordinance. I think it's described in the ordinance. It's basically Parker Central West.
>> Any other questions? We can get you back. Just give me an email. We can get you. >> Okay. So, public meeting attendance. Um Danielle and I had gone to the um public
welfare meeting. Um it was good to put a base to you know the the people who were on that committee. Um, and again, it's about introducing ourselves, spreading that awareness, letting, you know, um,
thank you, Council Brooks, for being here today. Um, just, you know, that we we want to work collaboratively. We we all need to work together on this to do better. Um, we um, we did meet with um,
we met Mike Ellis that day and um, we have talked with him about collaborated on some stuff for the senior center. Um because a lot of the needs of the elderly community and the disabled
community hold back and um the center will be moving at some point to the street school building and he actually asked us about um having office space there the commission and working
together. So that's in the future. But um the um the gentleman from the um cable TV or the committee to what's the word I want? >> Public access. >> Public. Okay. So anyways, we talked with
him too and we talked about doing like some promo stuff to maybe get um the word out about the commission because there are people who are you know isolated and don't come out that but they do watch the the public access
channel and um let them know that we're here. We want to hear from them. We want to include them, you know, and and we want to hear from people. Why? What what's keeping you? what are the barriers and then that would just help in our
mission to try to move gardening forward. Um so I had al I printed out a um list of all the public meetings um the committees itself.
And um Jane, I was going to ask you if you could maybe um periodically just check in on that and and see what meetings we should be at the table and just let us know. >> Okay.
service committee is the one that oversees the >> okay >> do you know um particular date that you need >> it's not it's a calendar that you set up >> okay >> it's max
>> okay so Um, >> so you'd like me to find dates? >> Yeah, just like look up the city website. You can see the calendar. It'll show it'll give you like for the month, >> what meetings are are posted for the month. And um, typically the agendas,
you can see the agenda and just let us know, okay, >> if you think that it's something we we need to be present for. >> It's an important time of year because it's the budget season. Yeah. Moving on to old business. Um any
coordinator update? You got anything for us, Amanda? >> Um the mayor said he did it's taken out of the ordinance that it has to be um a specific position. So it the mayor can put whoever he wants as the ADA
coordinator or I shouldn't say that ADA coordinator is part of the HR director position. He can appoint anyone to the disability commission that he chooses. >> So that's already done. He would just need to do it if he wants. >> We had talked about that um years ago and um yeah it was all about the
ordinance changing >> the the verbiage somewhere. >> So it's it's all set. You just have to you just make that decision. All right. Um, city council update, you have anything to disclose?
>> What? >> Sure. >> Um, >> that's just a something we have. >> Yeah. No, >> all the time. >> This is kind of a a quiet time because I think we're getting ready to have the mayor's budget. Usually comes to us in miday
and we then we go down and work on a lot of the financial aspects of the city. Thank you. >> Uh spring community event. Um if you read in your minutes, we had talked about it last last time. Um basically
it's we wanted to have like a panel discussion with people who have disabilities talking to um the college that be um elected officials. first responders,
um, business owners, that type of thing about what it's like to not feel like included or have access to things and to kind of have like a Q&A. Um, again, it's about the awareness of it.
Um, a lot of places don't even realize, you know, if it says that it's ADHD client, they're assuming that it's accessible. We need to to take that a little bit further. So, um
that um we can talk more about that as we like bring stuff down and pick a date and things of that nature. The self-evaluation transition plan. Did you find anything out?
>> So, um I spoke with Mike Kelly from I think it's called your access board now. It's the center for living and working. They just switched their name and he um is going to give us a quote for redoing it for us. He just has me making a list
of every single area. We won't evaluate it. Talk over with the um commission whether or not we want the schools. He said the schools would make it a lot more challenging and most cities don't include them in it. Um, so I just have to get him that list, let him know, and
then he'll um review it and give us a quote on it, and then we can go through mod to get a grant to do that. Um, but this way we would have people with lived experience and the education behind, you
know, welcoming versus accessible to make sure our spaces are more inviting for all people in the community. So, just for the benefit of people who haven't been part of this conversation for
we had um we looked at a a very um extensive um evaluation plan that was done by the um town of Hbert um done by the center for living and working and these are all people who
live with disabilities themselves. They did the evaluations. It was very um comprehensive, had a ton of information, had an action plan attached to it for things that hadn't been brought up to date, and um
it looked um always looked a little bit sad. Um you know, they were done, but they weren't done in a very meaningful way. And um so we're trying hard to to
rectify that at this this point in time. Is there any other questions or comments on that? >> I'm hoping that the next meeting I'll have information. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Our hope was to once we have all
the information gathered to reach out to the mayor and the council um to let them know, you know, kind of where we're at with that and what we can do to move forward. Um, the last item is other business unicipated.
And you want to build Bill? >> I was just nodding off. >> I know. >> Uh, Kelvin, I'm glad you're here today because um we had we had gone into um city hall chambers
um and looked it over to try to make it more accessible and Bill um was he's he's the he's the guy. He put together a um a pretty extensive little
um thing here for and we were going to review it today before we sent it off to the council for more people to look at. >> I only made four comments. >> You can give it to Yeah.
So the first uh rendering is the council chambers as they are with the pews in place. You can see to the left the aisle that comes in from the main entrance. In the back is a door. Um and there's
several sizes of pews there. They're not fixed. They can be moved. Uh I imagine they've been in there a long time. Second rendering on the back of the first page shows the left portion, the first row, the pew being removed. I'll
call them benches. Pew. It doesn't seem like a church in there when I go. So the second row, um you'll see a half a bench and the other uh bench has been removed. We've got that half bench back
at the rear door where the the whitish area there that bench has been moved. So it gives you know it gives you four places up front for a wheelchair. You need 30 by 40 30 by 40
>> 30 by 40 >> 30 by 40. >> So it gives room for four wheelchairs to park there. One wheelchair behind and one wheelchair back where that half bench was removed to be replaced at the
second row. So that's a no cost um rendition for meeting some of the accessibility needs. Third figure is just to make individual seating in the whole place. Advantage of that is it gives you flexibility for any situation
you may have. Um, you can move chairs for people who have sight restrictions, uh, hearing restrictions, mobility restrictions. That would do it. Of course, now you're talking money, but how accessible do you
gardener want to be? Those are questions to be asked. >> I really appreciate your time and effort in doing that. Um, I know we all went together and we it, but um Bill was the
brains of this particular operation. >> Well, then you're in trouble. >> So, um I think if we could have some a little bit of time to just really review it, absorb it, and come back with questions maybe next at our next meeting.
>> Could I just ask a couple of things? >> Absolutely. So, so from what I'm looking at, this is just changing the audience. It's not changing the council. >> Correct. >> Oh, we didn't even tackle that. >> No. Okay. Um and and I just I think what we've generally done with wheelchairs
now is is they we just squeeze them in. >> Yep. Oh, yeah. >> Into in toward the semicircle area and move some chairs out of the way or whatever it is. If I look at figure two, I'm looking at that as really being no cost built because you're you're taking out two long benches and moving a short
bench. >> That's it. >> Okay. Okay. And and I guess if my if you if if you want to pursue this then I think to go back to the council through the council president
and just say here's what we're thinking. we you know we would like to propose this kind of what do you think >> and he's the one that initiated this anyway so >> okay good because and I say that just because it's it's the council chamber >> it's not anyone else's so there's I'm
going to say there can be a an ownership interest that the council has in the space >> so you don't want to step on those toes >> speaking of stepping on toes I might ask Calvin a question because he always has a unique historical perspective are
there any historical significance to the benches that are currently there? Were they donated by a much revered furniture company or >> I I couldn't tell you that. I'm assuming that the benches have been there for 100 years. So, >> yeah. >> Or not quite 100 90 years.
>> A lot of a lot of places have like they were meeting houses or whatever and then you know that because there's seems to be quite a few places here in Gardener that have pews.
That's you know it's it's like >> so city hall was built what in the late 1930s and so I'm assuming these benches were and the council chambers was was >> original >> designed and built at that time. >> So the the the fact that they're not
station you know they they can be moved if they're not >> Yes. So that's a set with that. We all got the um we all got this from Jane online. So
>> um we'll take a look at it and then um we can discuss it again at the next meeting if you have questions or want to tweak anything. So um our next meeting will be on April 8th
by Hopefully the snow will be gone by then. And >> hi, I've got a quick question. Um, I came from Orange, Massachusetts. I believe that's right. >> So, I don't know if you want to talk after. I mean, I don't want to take anyone's time. I did speak to Amanda
already. She recommended talking with you, so I can do it after. Whatever you want. >> Yeah, as soon as you Okay, >> we'll close up the meeting and get >> Thank you. >> And just like mentioned, WGAW is available to get the information out. I
don't know. Are you ready for your PSAs? >> Uh, I am. I have time today. >> You can record those. And then also any program ideas that you have, just let me know and I'll be glad to get program ideas. >> We appreciate that.
Um, you know, it's it's hard sometimes because we're here because we're passionate about, you know, what we do and uh it's all volunteer and we have, you know, it's it's sometimes
it's hard to juggle what we're, you know, I would love to be able to spend more time on this, but it's not always feasible, you know. So, but uh we know everybody you know who's who our allies are. We really thank you. Thank
everybody for that. Again, Dane, thank you so much for being here. I really look forward to talking about different things with you and um so I will need a motion to close. Make a motion.
All in favor?