Here we go. All right, it's 4:30. Let's call the golf finish meeting to order. Let the record show that the meeting is being videotaped and audio and will be posted to the city's YouTube
account. First item agenda is the minutes from August 5th, September 9th, October 21st, and November 25th. Motion to wait for the reading of the minutes and accept them as presented. Second. All in favor say I. I. All
right. Any old business? We'll go through the new business at Why don't we Dan, why don't you start your update? Okay. Uh, not much. Uh, the E is in city hall. We delivered last week. Uh, I have to get registered and it sounds like I get trained up for the company. Okay. Um,
but obviously we're still going to have the fire department, train staff, AD, uh, CPR and stuff like that. Um, my last meeting I'll be done on the 21st. Memberships are coming in pretty good. Anticipating an increase in the
rates, so I know a lot of people come in. Um, still working on the schedule for the golf course tournament. I'll get that out this week as well. Get after today. Get the letters out to the clubs. Yep. for the uh the lottery, lack of a
better word. So that's it. Is there is there a cost to the training for the AED or everything is uh through the fire department? There will be okay. Um so I don't need anybody to say what I was see concerned about it, but I did put some money in the budget to cover that. I
don't want to know what how much per person will be, but we'll have to train. I put like a grand in 12 to 14 different people to be trained on it. He said it'll be in one afternoon or or evening or something he can kind of get most of us together. So I don't think there is. So is he also going to do the CPR
training? Yeah, he's going to do everything else on it sounds like it's two-year certificate. You know, he doesn't use American heart. I don't remember what the one he used, but the AED that we got is the same as the fire department uses. So when they, you know, when they have a
service contract, we'll just lump in on them and there'll be like an annual buying up every two years they'll come in and refresh the pads and check it out and stuff like that. It almost seems like the AD has a monthly um a monthly check that I'll have to do
as well. I might have to run through just a couple tests and make sure it's still good. That's good. So, so from a liability perspective, um, are we serving as good Samaritans or are we do we have a duty to act and we
subject to some medical liability? I'll I'll ask um I I think it's it's training. Um, so more likely we're good scenario. We're good scenario. Yeah, we're not medical professionals. Um, but I'll definitely double check
that when I get to get trained. The other question is pull in the shop being laid off this morning. Yeah, I got Okay. I'll be out. Yes. Anything you do, you know, it's a favor to us. Appreciate it. No problem.
Along the way, if you want to come help, any other questions? Are you sure about the the class with the fire department? Is it per student or is it for the class? Do you know? I think it's a person. Yeah. So I he wanted me to wait till I came in give him a call. He said after the new year
could get down there figure I think a couple of my guys are away for the beginning of January for a couple weeks. So I wait till the end of January. So um the other thing Paul brought up too when we were talking about it is um and I'll talk to the let down the fire department
is that obviously that shop is kind of closed out. You know it's cold the winter months. We may want to just take it out of during the winter and store it somewhere. Bring it down to our shop. Is it a lot warmer? Yeah. Just get it somewhere it's warmer so it's the you mentioned the battery life
in my office. It's only be Yeah, for sure. Cabinet her, you know, hopefully have her put up or whatever. Yep. Put in the shop. Do you have a location to do the training? I think we're going to go to the fire department. So, yeah. So, he's going to go down there. Must have some
kind of a training room somewhere. Yeah. I've had never been in the back of that building. So, but conference room or something. Yeah, it was absolutely. He said he had a lot of, you know, a lot of the mannequins and stuff like that there. So, okay. Yeah. Bill, will any of your employees be trained or will you be retrained? I don't think so.
I mean, I might jump in actually. It would make sense probably for me, but not for my employees just cuz I mean, where do you stop? Have 40 people doing it. Yeah. I think most of the people that play golf probably when his ways of working,
you know. Yeah, there's only there's only a few golfers. Even if even if they, you know, even if they caught a maintenance guy, emergency maintenance staff, we'll just let them know to call shop, whatever. I mean, we've had we've had stuff happen on the golf course for us where a guy one call is
initiated prior to calling the call shop, right? We didn't really notice anything was going on because the shop wasn't aware. Right. Right. We put him in a gator and drive him to the hospital. Worst case down.
Oh yeah, that's it for me. Nope. Uh, a little bit of inside work, a lot of bit of outside work. Um, we're still clearing brush. We've we actually the last week or so cleared like 15 20 foot swath down the entire left side of 15. Um, so when you go yanking your ball off
15, um, and into that left rough, and then it goes in that little margin of woods. Um, similar to what we did on the right side of, um, five, kind of what we did the left side of seven. Um, so no real big tree removal, more of the small saplings type sucker stuff that you
can't find your ball in. Um, and then basically just two guys inside grinding reels, doing the inside stuff, breaking down the equipment, um, polishing it up. So just plugging away. That is all. Sounds good. So, um the next item on the
agenda is the um proposal by Todd. Um this proposal was basically introduced to Bill. So, I'll have Bill explain it um as to what his intentions are. So, what we're kind of doing with Todd is on Monday he goes to reduced
hours. Um, in the past we've had two guys working 40 hours all year round, Herb and Wes Murphy. And that's because those guys are really, really good with equipment. One's a mechanic and one is a is this he can do mechanic type stuff.
So, we leave those guys at 40 hours. The other two guys, we put them to reduced hours. They collect on the other 20 hours and we save 20 hours worth of time basically. And then um whatever they collect obviously that's on us on the indirect as well. Um but what Todd is
proposing is extend me on the reduction to 20 hours and then allow me to work up top 2 days a week during the summer. It'll offset it and it'll kind of benefit both parties. Um, I'd be getting
him three days a week during the summer, but he would be doing some of those things grounds-wise like he suggested. He'd be doing trash, which we have to do anyways. He'd be doing bathrooms, which I got to do anyways. Um, he'd be doing building maintenance, which we'd have to do anyways. So, um, I actually like the
proposal. I'm in favor of it. Um, it keeps him a little bit fresher. Um, and it takes care of two, three, four items that I'd be paying part- timerrs to do anyways. Um, so he spells it out pretty clear. There's nothing really to it, but
um, I think it works out. I think it would work out. Any questions? I mean, this one I was going to refer to you and the budget and how you felt it was going to affect the crew and if you think it works best for the things that are going to be get done and um, best for the golf course. Yeah.
Best position to assess the the proposal. Yep. Absolutely. And and we finagle the operation all the time so that the end result is the end of the year, we open up next year, most of the people are happy, the price is right, we're profitable. Um, and this is just one more example. So, we can kind of
fill a couple of those little jobs that he was doing with part-time help. Throw somebody in a rough mower, throw somebody on a T- mower, um, and just plug those holes. But what he's doing is still beneficial to the overall maintenance operation and I would be doing that anyways.
So it works. He's a it's allowed that he can do that like is this a change of his contract or deal? He's still he's still doing maintenance type stuff in regards to the trash which like I said one of our staff would be doing that anyways. Bathrooms, one of our staff would be
doing that anyways. Um some of the landscaping stuff that he suggested we'd be doing that anyways. Um and any building maintenance or repairs he'd be doing anyways. Um so yeah. So I mean it's on it's on the page of his proposal all the the items that
he's going to be doing which to me makes sense because it makes total sense. It kind of frees him up a little bit. So it gives him the flexibility as as to when you know when he can do it when the restaurant's slow and stuff like that. So
I think to me I think it works out fine. You know from my from my point of view it's it is nice to have him on property a lot when things on the golf course spraying into spray in the middle of the air cuz he goes out there Todd
will run out there and uh quickly assess and fix the situation. He's been a big help, especially going forward when when Herb, who's been there for as long as I've been alive and fixes every single thing on that property that really has nothing to do with golf course equipment. It's nice that Todd is
starting to slide into that role of, hey, go fix. There's a broken pipe in the cellar in the restaurant. Okay. Broken irrigation thing out in four. Well, he's there at 6:00 p.m. He's there at 7:00 p.m. He's there at 11:00 in the morning on Saturday. Um, so it's nice that he sees all that stuff. And like
Danny said, he's always there um and can kind of help out with that role that Herb's going to leave that void. So I I mean like you threw it out there. I'm in favor of it. I'm a proponent of it. Um it's one of those things too we can tweak as we go work. This is kind of uncharted territory. So you know if we
need to add or subtract going forward we'll just make it work. I think my recommendation we either revisit at the end of the summer or middle of the summer sometime just to let us know like is this working not working and what what can we tweak or is it like yep this is the the plan something new we've never done before um so this is what's
going to work it seems beneficial to both partners so he he doesn't work all summer now but he wants all winter now he wants to they go in reduced hours from 40 to 20 and he still does all he he's not working in the restaurant in the winter Right.
So he still instead of working 40 hours, he works 20 hours. And I tell him, "Hey, we still need to go clear brush on 15. Do it for 20 hours. Tyler, let's go do it for 40 hours." So he's still full-time maintenance, just however many hours. That's the variance.
From my point of view, if it works for you, it works for me. And uh they appreciate Todd, you know, thinking out of the box and looking up for the golf course as well. He has saved us a lot of time. In the past, if something breaks in the restaurant, I get a call, I go look at it. If I can't fix it, which I
can't, Herb fixes it. So, it's like, do you want your superintendent mechanic on grass or fixing a convection oven in a restaurant? Todd fixes that convection oven, right? Because otherwise you got to hire somebody from outside to come in and fix
it or or get it replaced or whatever. Yep. And if I could, can we just clarify profit cuz I wouldn't want the general public to think if we're trying to make as much money as a you know private business, but we do have expenses, right? We have to cover those expenses. We talk about profit. That's what we
talk about is covering our expenses and having a reserve. Is that what it amounts to? Yeah. And again, because we're enterprise, sustainability is, you know, this is a small business. If if you're flirting with close to, that's a bad place to be. Sack it away, forget
that you have it and a rainy day will come. The economy will change. You know, things will baby boomers will go away. So, I've seen it before. You know, we're basically planning that it's going to happen again. One year we lost pretty close to
like 120 members and we had to scramble at the end trying to figure out how to break even and there a lot of discussions with the mayor and and the city auditor to get it done. So, um so I mean that's kind of the reason
why we are setting aside a reserve because I mean his equipment is not going to last forever. So that reserve's set for that. Um, and it's set for, you know, for any any downturn in in the economy that's going to affect our memberships going, you know, going into the, you know, into the
future. Then the second part of this proposal, why don't Dan, why don't you explain that? Um, yeah, it doesn't necessarily need to do just with Todd as far as restaurant is being supported. um trying to make it so that all three
businesses on property are successful. Um the golf course, my golf shop in US from a entrepreneur um and the I think the sport, you know, from talking to Todd has kind of kind of
diminished over the last so many years. um where and I kind of agree with with Todd's assessment of the situation that when the tea is full of groups um even as members or not um our our business our all I I would I
agree all three of our businesses don't make as much money as we could um rather than bringing in greens fees um I know I make more money in the golf shop with out oftowners um I know he makes more money in the restaurant from out oftowners not that not saying we're going to get rid of members that's not
what we're here to do. Um but potentially putting um fees involved with the leagues that take up the tea times which are a lot of members um the charity tournaments make you know getting getting a little bit more requirement out of those groups in the
weekend tournaments to give a little support to the restaurant to make that restaurant more successful. Um, I think in my opinion that without a restaurant up there, our golf course is about the same. Um, I think we would probably
survive fairly well for a couple years. Um, but after a while, word would get around. You know, right now, I know West Mr. Country Club doesn't have much of a food operation over there. So, that gets around. Um so you know I think we've kind of you know in talking you know
kind of put put forth some and he he does get support from a lot of leagues and gladiator journals but try to create some pol you know policy changes to blanket everybody you know blanket every league that books their uh league every
week you know has those pre-book tea times you know we we have a product that those leagues want you know they like the fact that they have every Tuesday, you know, the Tuesday night league, the Wednesday night leagues, you know, the Canadian club. Um, so that they have some support. You know, he does get
supported by some of the leagues. He doesn't get a lot of support from some of them. Um, others other of our leagues don't they both run Types, but they're not using that that service. Um, and then we have, so really the second tier would be the charity tournaments, uh, where he gets some support out of some
of them. You know, obviously you can't, you know, feed 144 people after an event. However, you can still you can still roll off at the tournament. Um, and I don't think that's an, you know, an unusable request for these events. Um,
send someone to the uh for weekend tournaments where if you know social club A, B or C wants to have their meal down at club. I don't think asking them to have a real deter is a is a, you know, I know off prices for those
events, but to picture kind of support, right? Support that thing. Um, most most of the events most of the events do support me in the shop as well. There are a couple that I've kind of let slide just because of the type of event they are. Um, you know, Mike, you can put
that excuse me, Mike, you can put that $5 minimum in 20, you know, gez, probably 30 early 2000s probably. Uh, I'm certainly not looking to increase that $5 by uh because most most that do support me go
over that $5. I don't want to start pushing that to 750 or 10 and really start pinching these especially the jury tournaments really trying to make some money for a good cause. Um so I know I I do want to get more of blanket on that side too get go after the two three events that don't do much for me in the
golf shop. Grant I don't make a ton of money on $5 a head but it's still something. Um but you know get get it so that all three three aspects of the business businesses there you know are sustainable and profitable and and it's a it's a change it's I don't think it's
a drastic change but we complaints um it's complaints about everything right that's what we do with golf shop sometimes because basically I said that he'd be flexible too with the leagues they could they could do their their their meal at um any time of the here if
they want to do at the beginning, the end, the middle, whatever they wanted to do, it's up to them as long as they did something. Yeah. It wasn't I think we put, you know, $20 in there for the lease that every book, you know, like you take the the Wednesday ladies ladies
that came over from um Westminster, you know, they supported the ball all year that went upstairs after and they also had they had they had a large meal at the end. Yeah. You know, so you know, they I know they went up above, you know, above the the $20. Um, you know,
we we may, you know, we may lose a league out of it. I don't know. But I think that we would have again, if you lose a league that's not supporting our our our three businesses, you're going to bring in those two times that are that are going to be more beneficial to those those those businesses, right? Or
or we'll have another lead that will want to come in that will support, you know, all that. It's just you do this for everybody. There'd be no exceptions, right? like correct. It would have to be blanket to
be right now Tuesday league. We've got three leagues on Wednesday that pre-book. We got the club on Thursday to pre-book. Um the big scotch. Big scotch. Well, that's that's more of the weekend stuff, right? You know, they don't pre-book. No. So,
they so they wouldn't be affected by their own tea times. Correct. They make their own tea times. But you know these events that just the final day would be the final day start. All right. Well, if you're if you want to have your event down the gating club or wherever else we're going to require you to have a
grill at the turn so that you know he's got some money coming for the pre-book. We pay these. Is there any monetary requirements that we have? They pay us right now $5 ahead to the golf course pre-book. Okay. And so in your tier one here it says again five to the golf
course. Is that going to be to you for the pro shop? No, that's just that's the golf course. So, we already are we currently are getting five. We're getting five right now. I do 10 and they're just games. Five or 10. I thought we were getting something. So, and I and I don't require anything out of the leagues. You know, most of the
leagues play for cash. Um the mix scotch league does give golf course chips. That's why that's why I've never really said anything about when they give cash in their final day because I'm getting it from the league. So, it's right, you know. And that's $5 a week or $5. That's $5
for the entire season to get our friendship treatment in booking tea times on weekdays. Sounds like a bargain to me. We don't pay $5 times too. You got to give him some bargain. Yeah. So in looking at things from Todd's perspective, if we have an
event at the golf course where people not supporting the restaurant, he opens the restaurant and get no customers because it happens a lot. Yeah. Happens a lot. Like Yeah. How many days in a year can you sustain not having any customers because and then they bring the beer on. Took all their customers away. Yeah. And you're getting something
like that's it's not like it's just a service charge that you see and says, "Hey, here's a charge cuz we let you use our credit card." No, you're getting two hot dogs. You're getting a cheeseburger. Like you're eating and it justifies him then selling alcohol. Like you're getting something for your money, right? Eating is important when you It's the
most reasonable thing in the world. Yeah. I applaud your uh your thought process. And then the other thing he really wants us to change or really question is the no Google policy. What is the plan to actually enforce
that? What's the plan to actually enforce that? That's that's my I mean it's already been in place and we just got you know we just got to keep informing people that you know you can't bring coolers up there. So I mean Todd's willing to give you a bucket of ice. You want to bring water up that's fine. I
don't I argue against him, but the problem with that is that he's not, you know, figured out. There's 24 hours a week that he's not opening stuff. You know, you know, my other issue outside of enforcing it is,
you know, we're taking steps for public safety with ADC training and now we're going to have a 95 degree day with 4 hours of tea times with this. So, use soft drinks. I understand. I do. I
totally understand. But I I I honestly think if we cuz right now I think we're under alcohol policy. What's Well, what would be the liability issues if if somebody brought their uncle on and got into an accident? So, what happens there? Somebody gets injured. What
happens if Todd's license all season long? It's not it's not Todd's liquor license. It's basically it's it's still in the golf course. It's just Todd's the manager of it. I think he's got he's got to take the liability now. I mean, he does pay for
the liquor license, right? So, but yeah, I mean, you know, that would be the issue. He's not open that day. So, we'd be protecting our own license. So, in a sense. Yeah. Yeah. in the I do seasonal cars is what
it is. Well, you can try it. How strict we go with enforcing it and sending people back to the cars. You say they say it's water and they open it up and you say no. We don't I mean do you have a right to go through someone's cooler? I would say
absolutely not. This is my first I got I got diabetes medication in here. That's different. You can't ask him though. did uh the woods of Westminster. Yeah, you were looking in people's school,
especially as we're not doing that. No, but if you I mean the fact that if we were at least going out there and telling them no. Um you can't make sure there's not alcohol you bring onto the property. We're informing them when we see the coolers and they make the choice
to not put it back in their car. I don't know how much that we told them not to. We said we can't have that here. They said no, it's water. I don't know if it's water in here. And they did what they wanted. Do do we have a sign at the first tea or there's a sign on the on the first
there's a lot of notification there. Dan usually beginning of the season will send out, you know, email just reminding people that there's no outside alcohol. But yeah, and I have I mean outside of the door if they want to put it everywhere. We have to get people back,
you know, that you get these double lines that bring the jet school like, you know, but if I look in the every basket of every cart, I'm not, you know, it's So if somebody's out there and with their own alcohol and they create a problem, like what response do we have?
We say, "Thank you. Your membership's uh now expired." Is that we go to that point where you put like a license in jeopardy? We can't have that. We can't have that members doing that. It has to come be something brought to us. It's an individual situation have to be brought to the commission and throw it on there.
Right. Well, I mean, yeah, you bring it to the commission then we can just issue a letter. I been to another golf course where I can bring a cool. You have or have not? I've been golf course and you try to bring your own bottle of water. They say thank you very much. But you can't do
that either. Just holding the bottle. But I'm not concerned about Yeah. No, I get that because you want people to hydrate, right? I I saw enough looking for another two bottles of water. So, you know, I understand his concern
is the liability, the alcohol. I mean, that's why he was also in favor of the the grill stuff on the terms. Should we lose our liquor license? It hurts our business. It hurts his business. It would definitely hurt his business. Totally. And you know, the other thing I I
discussed with Dan too is we we do have contracts for the for these charity tournaments and we'll probably also put it in for the leagues that we're going to have probably start to use and start to if we go with these things, right? You know, here's here's a great time. This is where you're going to you know, I I brought this up. I don't know tell
you like like Green Hill Met down at Green Hill. I want to and I'm not on camera not saying we want to do this at golf golf course, but Green Hill memberships don't include lead time. You know, they they pay they prepay your entire league for the season um in
addition to whatever the league charges. Um and I said not advise them we do that. That's a great benefit. Um that's why we have a lot of people join to play the leagues. Um but they have pre stuff like that. Well, what do you
um the $15 charge for a hot dog, chips, and a drink? Not kind of steak. No, that's what he's always charging. That's a standard fee. That's what he charges the chamber. He charges everybody. No, I'm serious. He charges that when I do the father. He
gets really expensive to run a restaurant and it's really really hard. He also packs in their tax and tip as well, right? So that's all that's all included. And that's at any of the events that I run when I throw the leap that one, you know, the mix scotches never guessed,
you know, he charges me $30 ahead for the buffet and that includes tax and tips for the girl, right? You know, on top of anything that you guys leave them, I don't know or not, but if it is included, so I think we're still going to save that number for the for the
season for running the restaurant. But yeah, I don't think it's continue to accommodate people that don't eat meat. Well, I'll just talk to that. Or it could just be a good oldfashioned donation of $15 to keep the golf course
activated because it would be a pretty bad look to have a golf course without a restaurant. I don't think $15 is a lot of money. And I don't see anybody else jumping in to run a restaurant. No, because the bid did go out. The bid went out um getting a December. I think it
went out. So we got advertising the god news. I think it's the deadline is Wednesday, I believe. Right. I think it's this Wednesday, I believe. So correct. Now, if we decide to do these things, do does that change the bid? No.
No. No. Whatever. I don't remember what the No, he still phases whatever it is to Yeah. No, no. I I didn't know if that stuff leading to No, that's just, you know, I I you know, my plan tonight is, you know, after we
go through the rates and everything, go back to the golf shop and formulate an email, right, to send everybody say this is but I think these these things right here, we're going to implement them. These charity tournaments and you know,
the weekend events need definitely need to have a vote. So there's one question about the tier one. So uh find out all players pre-work team uh in the league. What do we define as a lead? If I'm four people and we one regular team. Well, I
I think I know I did charge I did charge, you know, that's the thing. If I don't like it, I got to go down into the weekdays. You know, we've got the ladies that play on Tuesday mornings. We've got a group that plays Wednesday mornings. We've got two groups that play Thursday
mornings that have pre-qualified as well. And you know, if it's going to be blank, it's going to be blanket. So any group that says, "Hey, we're group four, we call." I can't I mean I mean the smallest group I do right now, I think Vern is eight people uh two tea times on
Thursdays. That's the smallest. And then it goes up to four with the doctors. Um six maybe for the PCC when they get in the morning. Gas has four stuff like that. Okay. So, we're saying minimum two groups regular. Yeah. Regular weekly
commitments to the golf course. You know, it's not like the doc stalling ver once a month. Once once a month, you know, he's there regularly and and they and they're all really good about um releasing the tea times. They're not coming. Yes. Which is huge. I mean, it
has to be because we need those times to fill those times. Um but I don't think that's a and $5 for me than $5. The markers from WB Mason cost like what are we doing? It's $5 in 2024.
But you'd be surprised. I don't know if you're paying like a dollar 20 bucks. You're paying a dollar a week to have your G time. Correct. So I I think that number is significantly to not have eight grand worth of polo
shirts. Like where does money come from if it goes like does it not? Um so I I don't know if we need to, you know, go over those tiers and see if they're good. I think they need to be voted on approved. I don't think that's
something else. And I think that it was brought up, Dan, you brought it up about if this something that this is passed, it does affect maybe no one else bids, but maybe someone does bid. And if someone else bids and someone else gets that, how does this affect how Todd wants to change his role? And what does
that mean? What if Todd doesn't have a bid? What does that go? I mean, we could just be speculating, but yeah, I mean, that's Yeah, that was my whole thought of the whole cuz obviously I mean for the horse
I know on it but with this new information this new information I'm not saying anyone else I don't foresee it and also Todd officer doesn't have the the bid in order to say yes Todd you can do these things right you know I don't put his name in there for specific
reason but it could but and I have never read the contract for the the restaurant but you know if if on Monday the 16th cookoff commission approves these three things like D said, maybe there is another interest that says, well, I I
have guaranteed x thousands of dollars coming in off these tournaments, these leagues. Um, maybe that would, you know, is there is there a way to extend that a bit? Could you go to Josh and say, "Okay, can we go to I just I'm throwing
stuff against the law." I don't know. City No, I don't believe you could at this point. It's already because it's already it's already been formulated and and the legal. Yeah. Obviously there's no other
than the rent is that the only number that's in the bid as far as you know there's no like I don't remember. I don't remember if we we change it when we uh basically stated that Todd was
responsible for all the equipment cutters and stuff. I think we did. I think I think I went back to John. I think John said, "Yeah, you had to change the agreement." But it's not. Yeah.
But see, that was his agreement with with Todd and the city. And I guess so. I mean, going forward, if somebody else you know, if we decided to go with somebody else, then, you know, we would have to, you know, obviously, you know, coming up coming up with a thousands of
dollars number on this is speculation as well as far as, you know, you can eyeball it on what we've had in the past, but yeah, I wouldn't be willing I wouldn't be scared to risk it, I guess, to answer your question. No, that's just me saying that. At this point, I mean, if we decide to vote on this, it's going
to go up to whoever is managing the restaurant. Correct. Correct. Yeah, it's just not spec, you know, I didn't draw specific for Todd. It was No, this isn't for anybody for the restaurant, whether it's this bid or next bid or or whatever. It's just based on our past
experiences which have been bad, right? In terms of like businesses being able to successfully operate year after year after year after year. So, I get another question about the uh $5 block of tea time that that's only weekdays, right? They couldn't organize a week on
Saturday morning fight all over the block. Okay. Good question. Those used to be 50. Yeah. The tea time. Yeah. All your friends used to sell tea times. Smartest thing we ever did. I
agree. But it's just weekday. It's a holiday. They don't have tea time stuff like that. Um so I at all change. You want to you guys want to do that
stuff? So, you get another question. It was the smartest thing we ever did. Why didn't you stop doing it? Why did Well, I think we had some complaints about I I think the people who who took advantage of it loved it and then the people who didn't want to spend $200 50
per $50 per person complain enough to where the commission just said, "Okay, the people that didn't get anywhere near the time that they wanted cuz we I my opinion that the price was way too low." So, a lot of people did it and too many
people did it. So, we only there's only one group that didn't get a D. The judge, right? Ericson. I remember he talked to me about it 12 times a day. Grand those guys like at
10:45 wanted to play at 8. That was their summer play. But I think I think that was because any other questions we got in this proposal. We have a motion to accept it. Which
part of what? All of it together. Including the Todds. We're doing one. Yeah. Well, well, you know, with Todd's, I mean, I mean, that's just between, you know, the uh between Bill and Todd, you know, the arrangement
with anything to prove. I think it's more. Yeah. Like I said, I'm completely more notific. Cuz I would assume if if Todd doesn't get the bid for the restaurant, I mean, this isn't going that much trash. So now
he's is back as a full-time employee of this for the golf course. That's all. I know you're saying the $15 is is inegisable. And I I probably don't think it's going to be a big difference. But I mean clubs who run smaller tournaments, that's a third of their budget for the
tournament a lot of times that 15 bucks is going to We would just have to weigh that out versus not having a restaurant. Sure. I guess so. We're doing for the chair determinance on top of it. So, I'm just wearing curious what's going to happen there.
Um, it's a $1,000 fee for 60 guys on top of a small fee that the club's trying. So, what do you what are you guys charging that club when you guys run your two events per player? 60 bucks, isn't it? Two players is
60 plus 30 bucks a person. 45. And that does does that include the $5 that comes to us? It does. The club is, you know, the club is just throwing in some money to to help it. So, you know, it's a club is using some profits to subsidize that as well.
$45 a person, right? Yeah. Go up to $45 a person instead of 40 at least. How long is it? 30. Used to be 10. I' I've kind of tripled it. um there alone. So um it probably need to
continue to go up more um yeah I guess where that part of charity turns and not not as I guess as wearing um but they're still going to come but also tie into their their charity as well. Yeah, you don't have
to problem. Yeah, like my, you know, I do the Elks tournament, so I'm going to go to, you know, 140 and 115 15 bucks is to cover, you know, but I think I think most of the players, you
know, they eat at the turn anyway. So, I don't think so. So, it's just going to be another benefit. I mean, it's not like you just said it's not like you're getting nothing. It's not a service charge. It's not. And it could be two hot dogs and a uh in a
special beverage, right? No, no, he usually does not alcohol or burger, but you can upgrade it to you can upgrade the special drink if you want to. Yeah. And the restaurant doesn't need support, but there's a lot of support
there. I don't see people there. So following I will be as support and obviously I'm going to add an email tonight next few days a lot of questions. Oh yeah. If you remember me
vocill you have mandatory requirements to contribute to the restaurant open right? Yeah. So it's kind of different. We have I mean the biggest challenge that we have is we have kind of like what Dean started a little while ago is we have a division of three different departments. So like what do we make our
money golf period what's he make his money in cheeseburgers. We don't make any money in cheeseburgers. We don't get any money in this budget by some proby wants. So like there has to be a little bit of symbiot like it has to work with with everyone being supported evenly. And that's a hard
thing when there's three moving parts. You know there's all under one umbrella. Yeah. give me 500 bucks for a membership and then I make money on the pros and I sell cheeseburgers and bud lights and it's like just goes into one big thing. Just pick one amendment that made the least with the $10 per player for
pre-book if not higher. I don't know if anyone has any $10 is how many weeks are these guys getting forward 16? I think kind of 16 20 24 What is How many weeks do you guys? Oh, on Monday on Monday, Tuesday night 20.
Yeah. So that's about 50 cents a week. Yeah. For not having to call in and you're together on the teaching, right? I think the service is worth more probably more than that. That's kind of like selling the cheapest tea time ever. Right. I need a dollar for this week.
Yeah. Yeah. because it's it's it's something honestly that it's difficult to swallow that I'm not not on the plate on those days because it's completely booked. Correct. And other people are getting it for five
bucks. Five bucks. Um that's a tough swallow is a non booked league. Sure. All right. Well, I can't play by, you know, can't play the other league's match that night because cuz Wson's cramped. Wson's cramped. Cramed. So,
um you got to pay pay to play. I I just change it to $20 people support that per player to get those for the um for the entire season. It's be a dollar worth 20 week is a dollar a week. Um so I think
that that one does need to go up. That's up to you guys. You guys got to say that as as presented here tier one, two, three, I make a motion to accept the one amendment of $20 per player for golf course for league for the pre-booking
tax. Second motion. I just want one clarification on the T3s. Um you don't have the $5 in there for the uh the book. Uh oh. for the uh tournament fee. That's right. That was already in our rules
anyway, right? But we should add it there. Just $5 to Yeah, that's that's for pro tournament fee. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Just got a requirement, but let's keep it together. $5 term to course. Yep. You know, and I think the league's
appreciated, too, the fact that you can walk it out. I don't think they can have more $20 for an entire season. And like I said, if things jostle around, lease get smaller because of it. you get more people more time, you know, you guys have more time to to book on
your the other and well, you know, like I said, it's tough to Well, like I appreciate that all those players are there spending money and they spend money upstairs and they they they are there. So, like it's okay, but it is tough to get 4 p.m. is pretty popular for you $5, especially on
Fridays. Especially on Fridays, it's like and if then the members don't get a whack at it or anybody else, we could probably sell a 5:00 p.m. Friday tea time for a lot of money. I could probably get four guys with golf carts off the street to jam that spot for more
than $1. Absolutely. 65 time right now. They're getting it for 50 get murdered. So then we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Any further discussion hearing? None. All in favor say I.
Anybody oppose? Uh let's do the uh the [Applause] budget. So the revenue for the budget is based on the current rates based on the increase rates.
Um and the green speeds, golf carts, driving range, that's all based on the previous year's revenue. Um and and everything else with the miscellaneous and the lockers and all that. So going through the expenses
for this year, I did increase a few things. Um I increased, you know, the labor to 250. Last year was 246 or 243 was
um the the second column is the previous year's actual expenses. So um I did 15,000 in termination because Herb's going to be retiring uh at the end of 25, right? Correct.
September. Um not fiscal. What's that? September. September. Yeah, I mean September. Yeah, I know. Sometime in 25. Uh, the other item I did increase is the clothing to cover the um the pro
shop clothing. Um, everything else I kept pretty much. I did increase the equipment um because we're planning on buying another piece of equipment.
So, I increased that. Um, I decreased the buildings and the grounds and I just increased the equipment out of it. Uh, communication stayed the same. Uh, the gas and oil in the golf carts that gas that stated pretty much the
same. uh chemicals I I think included in the in some of this chemicals feeds and seeds for the previous year. I think he includes some of the fuel in that because the fuel seemed kind of low at around
$10,000 for the actual cost. It's one thing I didn't check with him on. Seems like they just dumped everything into the the chemical fertilizer and the seed. But we did buy well in there too is the Gatorade,
right? Yeah. 10. So anyways, I kept it at 140. In direct cost, I just went up by 5,000. And the current lease I went to uh 72. That's because we had the increase in new
carts. So I kept that pretty much at the same budget level as the previous year. And then I went to 40,000 for the um that's basically you know those fees that's mostly credit card fees and then there's some other fees in there too the
the water testing and the um the security system the the monitoring of the security system also. So the budget is coming out to a million 1631
155. Um included in last year's request is the 77,000 for the new truck. So if I if I if I take that out the uh the total increase is roughly about 5% over last year.
You say 40%. Five% 5% 10 trucks. So, any questions on the budget? [Applause] Do you need a motion? This building look any other questions?
And I'll ask for a motion. Of course, my budget numbers will probably change when the mayor reviews them. It's usually they they'll increase everybody's salary. They giving out increases in
for non-union. I thought they were doing like 2% or something. Doing 2% again. So that's where that salary is up here for everybody which would include you but I think it would include every hourly
person but not you though right non I thought they I thought department heads get a separate increase now thought they did it's on a separate your business and your position I believe they're on a separate ordinance but that usually
increases Most most of the time same point increased the department heads by more than the other the other employees. Are we expecting any increase in the transfer to the general fund in support of our well I guess increased it by
$5,000. I mean I think it's going to be somewhere around that for the indirect cost center. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm sure you know John when he calculates it, he'll increase if he needs to. I have more than that. You all set to vote?
I have a motion. So move to second. Second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say I. I. Anybody opposed? Okay. Motion carries. All right. So now let's discuss the
rates. So Dan explained it on his sheet, but we're basically proposing one big sheet of red all over it. Just something to throw up there. Well, there's theirs is in black. Oh, you color.
Yes, I have red. Oh, you do? Okay. Yeah. Um, one thing that Paul had pointed out is the much larger increase in percentage wise based on the senior citizen rate.
Oh yeah. What did you say? So the uh excuse me citizens in the year 2024 and 2025 I believe the cost of living adjustment combined for those two years amongst like 5.7%. And the proposed rate far outweighs
that. And I don't think in any particular year that we should increase the senior citizens rate, people who might be on fixed social security income any more than your cost of living adjustment because eventually we would price them right out of a golf course.
Yeah. We also haven't raised rates in a couple years, right? We haven't done that, which that's why I brought up the two-year goal. But I but it at minimum it it shouldn't be any more than uh anybody else's increase. So what if we
did could I just I was looking at Green Hills and for their senior weekday it's $1,000 restricted. They also have resident and non-resident and their non-resident is
1225 and that's senior and We go up to 850. I think it's reasonable. Well, what if we get roughly theirs is a,000 for in town? In
town. Um 12,200 you said for town and yeah 1225. Then Ganon which is Lynn and that's another municipal golf course. Um but I know they're closer to Boston and they're seeing your restriction. um is
1,400 for a resident and non-residents 1,800. Should we get that? So, I'm just saying 850 steal that. It's a steal. Well, why don't we just Why don't we say 10%, just
do like 800. Yeah. So I'm not disagreeing with this over the price, but to have that big of an increase in one year is asking a lot exceed what people are currently able to budget for and uh would be the poor
assumption that they they can you know pay 25% more. I mean in one year you're saying make it the same percentage for all of them. Jeff closer saying you know you know for them I mean because he's right social
security you know only increases by based on cost of living increase. So if we went to eight for them and say 1,100 for the family all the way down the other we are we are we now I
think that whole veteran because I think it's been brought up that about a full veteran rating right in the past you know to me it makes more sense just to give a veteran discount on every rating. Yes. Uh now whether I just threw
10% off here. I threw 10% out there. It doesn't matter if you present it. It's we go 20%. We can go whatever. But you know obviously the higher goal, right? I think 10% is fair. I mean that's what they offered at Lowe's and not everybody takes advantage of veteran offer but the
offer itself is truly appreciated by every veteran whether they take advantage of it or not. They don't have to pay the veteran. They could pay a for it if they wanted to, but if we offer it, I think we're acknowledging the sacrifice they made early in their lives. You know, they gave up four four years of being with their families here
in Garden. So that that would strike the veteran category out of there, right? I mean, is there a need to keep a clergy? How many do we have? Five or six, maybe. Five or six clergy
members. Yeah, I think there's no reason to get I don't know even I mean I don't I didn't bring that in the clergy restrictions right now are the same as the weekday family, right? And
the difference is only $50 for a um weekday and $200 for a weekday family compared to what they were paying. I'd be okay with eliminating clergy. They can just roll into the
weekday week. You just call it weekday and clergy, right? Weekday family and clergy. Plus, we just Why don't we just do veterans and clergy get 10% off? Yes. Whatever.
[Music] Restricted was a veteran and clergy both. They're both restricted. That was that was a veteran argument that we have a lot of veterans with that and 10% would go would be nonrestricted. So if they bought an individual membership be unrestricted they would be able to play
anytime. Yeah.$125. Right. So like something like K show that that also leads into the timing of it as well is that I've now taken 150 memberships over the last I I
think that you know whatever race we can go back we can look at them or whatever race structure we we get approved you can start on January one. Yeah, but they depends on what they paid for because if someone like Kisha got a
full membership is it the old full membership was it was cheap was cheaper anyway. If we give everybody a two week window right now and leave, you know, obviously the veteran rate would stay for that two week
window that would be cheaper than an increase - 10%. You're saying? Yeah, that's correct. Because right now, if tomorrow I float the 10% out there as well, give the veteran rate, I have to back
into that line. you know, who knows how many veterans I just did in the last few weeks. Now, wait a minute, what about my, you know, but we're going to we want to give everybody, but when they do the math, they'll say like, oh, I'm still better off getting at this year's rates
than next year's rate at 10% less. Correct. Beginning January one, these are the rates they'll take effect. We're limiting the veteran membership. However, being in January 1, any veteran that shows proof of veteran status will be able to deduct 10% off or clearly 10%
off of any of the new rates. I mean, if anyone who has already prepaid and now wants to change to the new rates, their old things are credit and they want to upgrade to say someone got right right now. I would get a still more expensive,
but but I mean if they wanted Yeah. Yeah. That's an easy fix. So So the only the only one I have is I'm going to get a lot more junior players again. I say we keep that low 150 bucks. The junior the regular junior one
is fine. The young junior um I don't know how many how many how many juniors we have young juniors we have but that is true very low. Um So, you like the 375? I don't like the 225. I don't see the need to bring it up. We need golfers to play and we have a big gap of ages of
golfers playing for for years. See a lot of juniors out there. I don't want to deter them from playing that. I I I want to try I don't want to knock down the jun the regular juniors 18 to 22, but that that's our as a call shop. That's
our our problem. 18 to 22. No, I'm not touching that one at all. Okay. No, that's our that's our problem. Under 17 years 17 probably that's where I mean no keep the young kids cheap. You're saying the young kids actual high school kids that are playing there keep them cheap
as soon as they when they're 18. Yes. But 375 is more than fine. I don't want to touch that at all. It's definitely a feeder system that would be 80% increase. Yeah. 10 year olds aren't problems. 18 year olds are exactly 150 150 or something or they
could be I think we go to getting there. the the juniors are the junior rated fine at 375 is the young junior here. So we definitely going back down the adult senior citizens eliminating clergy giving
clergy. The juniors could always ask for their membership for Christmas. Well, I did two today. Yeah. There's no not a problem with junior the junior. No, no, no. The kids are good. I mean, half the time with their parents anyways. Correct. Yeah. They just want
to cover the play. No, it's actually Yeah. No, I'm just guess. So that's just kind of you, you know, you're going to pay a little bit money if you're going to do it. Didd and those are restricting ones as
well anyway, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, young adult 800. We want to look back down with that too because those always mirror the senior citizen on the on the third. So that'll be 23 year olds to 30 year
olds. We're going to keep that at 850. And I literally did this form in about 3 minutes. So it's it's not when Paul found a massive discrepancy in percent. I wasn't surprised. It's just a jumping off point. Yeah. You just increase it by pretty much the same
amount. 800's got a nice room to it. Yeah. be easier in terms because eventually if they if they stay on then they'll have to pay the 1250s and they all take parts and
so 800 young adult 800 senior citizen y00 family all right and we'll keep the 1250 and the 200 up top y and we'll keep the 900 and the 1450 down bottom anything wacky there.
I don't know. I think I went up. It's 125. 125 and 300. I love those guys. A lot of people working people do a lot of those. I don't have a problem with those
numbers. So get rid of reg get rid of the clergy do discounts as of January one and on the weekday green fees. Yep. There's a junior clergy but there's no vet weekday
green fees. Yeah. We've never really had an official veteran green fee. Yeah that's same thing you get 10%. Do you want to do that? So minimum the clergy out of the out of the green to get clergy out of the clergy
and keep the junior green fee. Yeah. And do 10% off. And the junior is officially a young junior green fee, right? According to our number, anybody's 18 and over pays a regular fee. Pays a regular fee. Yes. So I'm going to do 17
and then 10% clarity. went up. I I think it went up a couple bucks, two, three bucks on everything. Y um the only thing that has not been discussed when I talked about is um
weekend none greeneries. Um the people that come out and get to book for it's been a problem because people the open tea times are and I mean it's 7:00 in the morning and I I literally have people will come up that
look like they just rolled out of bed no clubs rental clubs and it's disaster players disaster. Yes. just you know you could do something with just no 18 feet seven to 11 that's what happen
after you know there are a couple people that that would affect I know like uh general rub and those guys Mark everybody te's up after them I know it's it's just one of those is going to
be bad it's bad literally clubs like because it was so cheap to play n on. It was so cheap. This is 7:00 garden. Let's go to Carter. You know, if they're going to play Nate, you know, that that at least opens
up some tea times for 48, too. I don't remember ever having a nine hole rate on the weekends. No, I think I I think that's something that I don't put in or I put in or just Yeah, just some kind of place before you pay. It doesn't matter what that's probably back then
when we didn't have a lot of buyers. Maybe we put it in. Yeah. Trying to track some people maybe. Right. Possibility. Yeah. So, new time seem okay. Mhm. Yeah. As long as when you're booking T know what it was these days. Yeah. I usually prime time if there's no
tournaments. Prime time. Makes sense to me. When can the rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest restricted players go out members is it one one two unless they want to pay green fees they right right so I was
thinking the nine holers don't go out until no one do you want to do one for the ners one for the nine too or whatever just that makes sense if they can't play then why let me ask you a question we
want golfers on a Saturday or Sunday morning. No, it's like can we No, but if they do book at 7:00 in the morning and their attention holes, we're getting 18. So, yeah, we do want
them. Great. There is no we do this there'll be no green fee for technically I guess I got to cart. Can't charge anything for that. You're still getting a full green. So half the ball marks
half ball marks. Yeah. I try to test two or three time like at least lack you know fewer piece of play problems with those guys because they're bad. Um you know I don't know what else. So I
get a question as a whole. So we talked about what the budget is planned for when we're talking about our rate increases. We haven't talked about the association between the two. Are we projecting that these costs are going to cover the budget, exceed the budget, come short of
the budget? I mean, I don't think we have a target number. I think we're just trying to play with the numbers and but like I like we said, I don't think we've raised rates in at least three, four years. At least three, four years. So, it's more we're just doing due diligence to keep up with how
much a loaf of bread is and costs just keep coming. Well, I think the last time we increased rates is when we had a separate meeting just to discuss it with the members. That's the reason why we were increasing it. What had to do with the indirect costs?
The restaurant jumped big when it went up big. I think yeah before all three of you guys that was a lot. Well, we did we didn't do a rate increase. We did we did the streamlined it and made it one rate. So the rates we did make it a smaller rate
the higher the rate. That's right. We came splitting the difference. So we said one like that whatever it was I can't exactly but that I don't know the members well the resident is going to increase and then going to decrease. We went up two you went down two. Yeah, and I think kind of offset part of the
reason to, you know, obviously keep up with the cost of goods is that we are pushing 800 members again for the second time in like four years. Place is packed. A place is packed. Um, that's your feedback. Get a lot of complaints
about too many members. I think a rate increase will naturally bring it down a little bit and for the same amount of money in I wouldn't want to deter golfers useful golf course. It's a recreational resource the city owns, you
know, to remain viable for all citizens for all times. U but I go back. If we have to cover costs, we got to cover cost. They keep going up. And the way you can put it is like we've talked about this before is because this
is it's you want to reserve. It's not for profit. Like these numbers that we see at the end of the fiscal year, if we net $245,000, no one's buying a summer home in Florida, there's no Corvettes. Like you're not buying a second house. It's it goes right back into the golf course.
All we're doing Yeah. This is a sustain. This whole system is set up for 30 years. It's not set up for two years, one year. Like the idea of sustainability is that you never need help. that you're independent and that the next crew or staff or group can take over and keep it running and not have to
go backwards. So, this is just the feedback is that if you had 800 people slamming on the door, yeah, you know, around 10% 20% number, I don't know what it will be. That's more and like Ann
said like the numbers if you look around at 10 competitive courses in that realm still crazy competitive it is I mean Paul is correct we are a unique situation we are a municipal golf course we're a part of the city and the goal is to provide something at a reasonable
reasonable cost and I think still think we're doing that yeah we're not golf course get run into the ground right that's what we want don't let this place get run into the ground we keep it going we keep being the premier golf course in North Central Mass, right? I go to Green
Hill in Worcester. It doesn't look like they got much play at all. I don't know why I do golf there, but uh at least here. Yeah, they have a lot of street numbers. Yeah, they probably operate the Wasp the city. I do believe they do operate a great loss. I think the city subsidizes them. Yeah, they're under a
different department, too. They're under recreation classes. So, they get other other funding through the city. They're not an enterprise fund. does not cover expenses. So, you know, that's why the city council would always question, you know, why are we running a golf bus
that's losing money? I just wanted to address the the question the association you guys like the race the changes the the cherry stuff. Yeah. turn stuff we need to but I still I still think it's competitive with other golf
courses you go to West Minister we're still close I mean and again this is the only revenue source we have yeah I saw a post on pro shop there's no restaurant this is this is this is everything we get so like if if you are comparing to other courses you got to
make sure it's exactly the same no subsidized money no burgers is full for missing C next year, but they are still for sale, right? Who knows what and if they open they're going to run it the same way he did last year.
Totally. So, so just going back now to the carts. So, the increase in our cart expenses every year increase by how much this year we get the new cards? Uh five year. We do a fiveyear lease, but
it went up I think almost one and a half times. more than almost it doubled. That's huge monthly. It's double because we were at uh we were at roughly 3,600 um and now we're at um per card per car
for the 6 months. And now we're at roughly about 8,700 per car per car. So we have 54 carts then 87 bucks. 8,700 bucks a month for 6 months, right? For the year that's what we pay. Okay. So you figure that's 54 grand. So it's like
a,000 bucks a car. I think car fees are probably whereas before I think just we were like around 600 maybe. Um I will also if you want me to sell those cards like crazy at the rates for
two weeks. Oh yeah, there you go. Put that in the email too. Look at the golf course. I do have green hills. Anybody else? I do. Um, okay. For uh they have a senior
rate for nine holes is $13. 18 is 19. Regular members, it's 15. For 9,22 for 18 and the single rider search charge
$10. They have a flat rate, but then a single search charge And I say 2024 rate. Yeah. They might be having the same conversation right now. Exactly. Right. I mean, all I ever hear is 18 holes in a golf cart. 18 holes in a golf cart. And
nobody's this cheap. We put nice big carts, too. Nice new cars. Gas powered cars, which mean burning fuel. The price fuel go cares stay the same. We pay more for gas and our cars go out every day.
Yeah. All right. Just trying to answer more questions to get some other people. Um, the annual week day is that I hold I don't know. I need to look and see. We might have one or two people that do that.
Oh, is it? It might be Richie Griffin or 10% off. I don't know. It's still awkward. Yeah. I said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." until until nobody's interested in it. So tech so technically we could do you
know better clergy discounts cards fees. Yep. 10%. But you said it's not a ton. But we now can say hey because people would come in
and like it ask I would give it depends who you've got shop day. We don't particularly have a better rate. So it's like but but also our policy states that they're an active veteran on leave. They they can play for free. Right. Okay.
That would include students from like militarymies. So we come from West Point Air Academy actually military. So not if they're on the football team. Uh we raising raised opens. So are we raising are we? Yeah raise everyone.
Okay. If um we raise Here goes the golf ball question. You don't have to give them extra. By the way, that's business. You don't have to give them more a better quality or we have a lot inferior golf balls, you know, at the range. If you think
they steal baskets, if you put good white shiny balls out there, more money, I think we should have a a decent uh golf ball. But again, like we're raising prices 12 years. Oh, really? Yeah. We've been
getting That's how many people bring and hit their own balls. Oh, really? That's what the proper I mean, think about that machine's full. Yeah, the machine's full right now and I have about 10 12. Hurry used to have something pick. They picked they picked the strays
out and just pulled them and then left the balls. We put them all in there and we picked the woods three days a week. Me personally, if we not giving them nice balls if we picked No way. Because the kid the biggest problem is the high school teams go over there and the kids think it's funny cuz they don't pay for
tokens. They put 40 bag balls there. They pound them in the woods. There is no way I'm putting white shiny balls up there for 17 year olds to pound them in the woods. You'd have to hire a security guard to watch that place all day. And again, like I always say, it's not just out oftowners and it's not just
non-members. And you know, you're really not hit the ball, right? You're swinging. You practice your swing. You're swinging the club. Ball is being the way you're hitting, but you're not or just look at the inputs. We don't put anything into that. And we make a sizable chunk. Then keep doing that. You
you know when you trust a shot and when you don't. Place is packed and we don't put any inputs into it. That's a good thing right there. What what calls cost like what are you going to spend thousands obviously and we get huge we were spending six grand a year and I
think you get what two ballots that was that was swap. That was 12 years ago. So let's say let's say you spend 10 grand a year. Are we going to make 10 grand a break even? And then not only that, but if if the same 40 members that I see go bring their six balls over before they tee off and hit it, now I got to pay two
kids. Good ball, bad ball, good ball, cuz no one's hitting good balls. They're bringing over ones with cuts in them or ones that they found in the pond on nine. They're hitting them before they tee off. What if they're a good ball? H if if it's a good ball that somebody
took out of their bag, do you keep that one? He keeps keep clean the balls, put them in the machine and they come out of the machine. Very simple concept. That's why it's profit. I mean, other than other than balls that get sliced, I'm sure they cost. Yeah,
those ones usually get sliced, but that's from a rough mower. But no, it's there's nothing to change with that operation. It's again, you're going to buy stuff that's going to go in the woods. It's going to get lost or people are going to steal them. How's the equipment there? Is it We bought a new machine. You already bought a new
machine? Yeah. I haven't put it in. But yeah, that was probably six grand for a new dispenser. Okay. Last one was original. A good run. It was a good run, man. That's a great run. And it's still in there. I bought this backup one cuz this one had some issues in the summer as it
just happened ready to go, but I'm not going to put it in until that one starts on fire. I got five new yellow baskets under my desk right now. and they're just waiting for a big deal for me.
April 15th, they'll go out. April 20th, they I'll be like, "Yeah, I knew they'd be going." Um I don't think an extra couple balls are though in there. Like if you made 40 balls for the It just feels like that basket's a little light when I wonder if now that we have this
new dispenser. I I I don't know anymore. Was it adjustable? No adjustment. one no one token that's what comes out but I don't know if the mechanics of that machine that's how old it's how many balls go through it are just you know the new one might flow nice and
it might put out an appropriate amount I think that's a good point they're not buying the balls they're not losing money by giving them five more balls they're still going to be buying 10 tokens at a time and again we turn blind eye to everything like again I see 40 members a league bring five of their shag balls over and count them down
there right I'm like yell and say You have to go buy a T and you can't use this facility. We pick your balls for free essentially. Yeah. Take you take the grass. You don't get 40 balls. You can come with a shock bag. You put them in a shock bag. Come shopping bag next
time. Or you take the yellow basket. Never seen that. All right. We all set with the race. Any other questions, concerns? Hearing none. Do we have a motion to accept the race? accept the uh
new rates as amended in conversation. A second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say I. Anybody oppose? Okay, so that's good. Uh we had one correspondent from Chamber of Commerce
looking to have their tournament on Thursday, August 14th, 2025. I assume that date's open. All right. All right. So, I see a motion to accept that date for the chamber. So, move
second. All in favor say I. I mission comments. You have anything, Mike? I do not. So, in reference to letters, my understanding is that after uh Larry Stein passed away that the people that played health wrote a very
praising letter to the city in favor of Dan's actions post. I'm going to respond. I just received a letter today. So, I will include that as a correspondence in the next. Yeah, they resubmitted it today. Yeah. And they left it with Christine and then because
she's probably still on her desk upstairs. It could be. Okay. So, they just didn't I talked I talked to u Mr. Fitzgerald on the way in. So he told me about it. I said I don't you know just have Paul send me the letter. He knows where this was the other day. So just
resubmit. Yeah. I mean so yeah. So I will bring that letter to the next meeting. Well I'll wait till that letter comes out before I praise Dan for action. He praise that it. Yes sir. D anything. Not
nothing. All right, let's go to the financials. All right, so revenue wise, we're at 590,000. Still at 55%. So I would assume that the revenue is pretty much the same as the last
time. Uh expenses, we're at uh 653840, which includes the indirect cost of 240,000. uh expenses of $413 $414,000. Um included in here is the
gator. Um I think that's the only non-ordinary expense. I think everything else is pretty much standard. So right now we're at a we're at a you know a
deficit, but We'll recover when we open again. Any questions on the financials? Need a motion to accept? So moved. Second. All in favor? I.
Okay. Next meeting. Let's see. Are we going to 25? How about [Music] um want to do the 13th or the 27th? 27th.
27th. Anybody else? Well, you'll be in I'll be in Arizona. All right. So, I call in. Yeah. Yeah. Phone a friend. I'll see if I can get the uh the machine. So 27th.
All right. Need a motion to adjurnn. Second. All say I. All right. Thank you.